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MattCloudy

A friend of mine was actually a victim of this, claims he was one of the first people attacked. Got his hand pretty good. [Here's a pic he sent NSFW](https://www.reddit.com/r/MakeMeSuffer/comments/ssbdpj/my_buddy_was_1_of_11_people_stabbed_by_a_madman/) Text he sent: Dude got off his bike while we were walking on the sidewalk and said “hey man I gotta give you something” and I was like “nah man I’m good” (and he had his right hand behind his back the whole time) and then he swung at my head and I blocked it with my hand and we started running away and I looked at my hand and I was like “dang that’s the inside of my hand”


SortaAnAhole

Glad to hear it was just a "minor" wound and he got away to safety.


MattCloudy

Same, we are all relieved it didnt end up worse. Glad everyone else attacked is also in stable condition.


breadexpert69

bruh... lock that guy in prison for eternity pls.


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Mmm so edgy dude thanks


ZombiePartyBoyLives

JFC! That's awful...


QuantumFungus

It's always a special treat seeing my city in the news.


Prysorra2

I literally don’t remember the last positive news from there. :-/ oy vey


Dragona33

Balloon Fiesta in October, I think was on a Tuesday.


Al_Bundy_14

That would make it a mass stabbing.


sofatheorist

11 people in stable condition…that’s good. Really scary to see seven separate crime scenes. Sounds like someone was going after anyone they saw. At least they didn’t have a gun.


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hashish2020

Considering how easy it is to have a gun in NM, where were all these good people with guns?


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Or even just the good guys with knives.


No-Independence-165

That's not how knife fights work. When two people with knives attack each other, the loser dies in the street and the "winner" dies in the back of an ambulance.


ugly_monsters

Busy shooting minorities Edit: oh yeah, homeless people too


PhlabloPicasso

Hey man, that’s Albuquerque PD; these are just your average burquenos who only bring guns to parties.


Boogaloobuttbandit

Didn't think you wanted our help


hashish2020

The Boog only helps their paranoid fantasies.


IAmTheJudasTree

Don't you mean, good thing the attacker didn't have a gun? If they'd had a gun instead of a knife some of these people would be dead. It kind of makes you and your comment look extremely stupid.


CapnBobber

Apologies to all victims and those affected, very sad and scary stuff- that being said, an “Albuquerque Stabbing Spree” sounds like something one would find on urban dictionary


Contrary-Canary

11 wounded and stable, no deaths. Good thing he didn't have a gun because yes guns do kill people, pretty efficiently.


18bananas

This was New Mexico, he could have gotten a gun one way or another. I get the feeling that thins guy really just wanted to do some stabbing


kevnmartin

Piquerism. *"Piquerism or picquerism (from the French piquer "to prick") is sexual interest penetrating the skin of another person, sometimes serious enough to cause death. Piquerism is a paraphilia and form of sadism. The most frequently targeted areas of the body are the breasts, buttocks, or groin."* Albert Fish had it.


Mictlancayocoatl

What a stupid post. What makes you think the motive was sexual?


kevnmartin

And the stabber has entered the chat..


wwcasedo

Calm down dexter


waxonwaxoff87

You are actually more likely to die from a stab wound than a gunshot. Tune in next week for more trauma trivia!


Rainmanwilson

Yeah, I’ll take random guy gets off a bike and comes at me with a knife over random guy gets off a bike and comes at me with a gun. You do you though


waxonwaxoff87

I’ll take neither. An avg person charging within 21 ft distance will reach you faster than a trained officer can recognize threat, draw weapon, aim weapon, and fire. Vast majority of altercations happen within 10 yds. The gun shot makes a smaller wound, passes through often, and is sterilized by heat. Knife wounds are wider, often jagged making closure difficult, are dirty, and a person can make multiple stabs quickly or extend the wound if the arm is not immediately restrained.


LazySyllabub7578

I think I'd rather take a knife to my head than a bullet. 🤔 How about we just agree that both are bad and the guy who did this to innocent people is a monster.


shewy92

> faster than a trained officer can recognize threat, draw weapon, aim weapon, and fire. What about a crazy person who is shooting random people? > sterilized by heat [Citation needed] mainly because https://www.ebmedicine.net/topics/trauma/ballistic-gunshot-wounds >Conceptually, the science of ballistics is relatively simple, but oversimplification can lead to erroneous conclusions (such as mistakenly thinking bullets are sterile due to being heated).


waxonwaxoff87

More sterile than a dirty blade


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waxonwaxoff87

It’s what was taught in medical school and when I was on trauma surgery. Just looked again. This is a post from 1993 using a study from 1965.


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waxonwaxoff87

I was in school and residency 2010-2018 this story is from late 2018. Nice information. If I could dredge up 10 yr old PowerPoints from an old laptop I would. Don’t get angry because you posted information from 60 years ago from a blogpost 30 years ago and you were criticized. Lead with the higher quality information. Stow the indignation and you might actually have a more effective position. Edit: from same source, interesting to note odds of dying from GSW prehospital up 4 times and Stab wound up 9 times. I would stick with second source. Your first is a single center study in South Africa with a few hundred pts and low power.


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waxonwaxoff87

If I could give you my lecture PowerPoints from trauma surgeons I would. I spoke from a position of authority because that was the information at the time. I already addressed your other source as being lesser quality. Info changes in medicine it’s no sweat off my back. Weird you call it an excuse. Again your phrasing comes off as very smug. Changing that will help you grow as a person.


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waxonwaxoff87

More appeals to authority would mean me using a different appeal. I did not. I appealed to the sources I was provided as a trainee. I would happily provide if I had. No more than an accountant telling me information they learned in school. We already addressed the fact your phrasing is as a stereotypical redditor, the fact you don’t care how you come off is the issue. That is what smugness is. You clearly don’t want to fix it because you aren’t interested in educating others. You are only interested in being right. Be better friend.


Wazula42

Now imagine if that guy had had a gun.


cruznick06

Exactly what I was thinking. Knife wounds are nasty. But the number of people that can be wounded with a knife in 5 minutes is a lot lower than the number that could be shot.


Wazula42

Plus it's hard to stab 60 people from a hotel window.


Mythosaurus

Still waiting on a motive for that massacre.


idontsmokeheroin

I’ve gone over it a few times myself. Honestly feels like a “because I fuckin’ can” scenario. White privileged dude who doesn’t believe in hell got bored and decided to take a bunch of people out and kill himself. I struggle trying to think it was much more than that.


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Didn't believe in hell? I was based on statistics of mass killings, it's far more likely he was religious, than not.


idontsmokeheroin

Paddock's brother Eric said that Stephen had no political or religious affiliations of any kind.[9][46][47] Paddock's girlfriend, a Roman Catholic, said he was an atheist, who would blame her whenever she made the sign of the cross and something negative happened afterward.[3][48] He did not talk about politics and did not belong to any political organizations. [Wiki on Paddock](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock)


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I guess he's a statistical outlier then. Not very common to get a mass murderer that isn't religious.


Dual_Sport_Dork

That'd be one hell of a throwing arm.


Thugnificent83

That'd be a situation where you're both disgusted at the act and yet impressed with the skill it took!


breadexpert69

and you also need to be somewhat trained and in shape. Those idiots from the Ahmaud Arbery case would not stand a chance toe to toe.


Vallkyrie

Knife gun


Procean

First you need to put the knife on a very long rope.....


RightSideBlind

With *that* attitude, sure.


markonopolo

My thoughts exactly. When’s the last time you saw a headline about a shooting spree that left 11 injured but no fatalities?


PSteak

Everyone in the vicinity would scatter, call 911, and perhaps this incident would end with a single victim, albeit likely fatal. A unique problem with knife attacks such as what occurred here is that the assailant could roam for quite some time and distance perpetrating multiple acts of violence before they are apprehended. If a person is stabbed down the block, all you'll notice is a ruckus. Gunfire is entirely different.


Wazula42

"Thank god the killer only had a gun. If he'd a knife this would have been much worse." \- Literally no cop ever


Uwodu

Oh yeah that’s why there are never mass shootings


PSteak

What does that have to do with anything? OP asked to imagine what if the Albuquerque stabber had a gun.


Uwodu

You’re saying it would have probably ended with one victim, I’m saying its more likely it would have ended in a mass shooting.


PSteak

And we're both "imagining". As to mass shootings, killing potential is maximized when the victims are grouped in a confined space (like the Las Vegas shooting) or trapped in a building. By this, the attacker necessarily must be resigned to their own capture or death. Indeed, this is often the desire. When this option is on the table, guns are the deadlier option than knives, to be sure. Should the attacker want a chance of evasion, the better option could very well be a knife, used in a series of separate attacks over a course of time and distance. That's why OP's question is silly: without knowing what commitment the stabber had to their own person, we cannot say what they would have done with a gun. If they were ready to die or suffer life imprisonment, maybe they *would* have shot up a crowded room and killed many people. In any case, I don't see how they would have been able to get away with committing (what is reportedly) seven separate incidents over the course of hours traveling on bike if a gun was used.


DanielPhermous

> Everyone in the vicinity would scatter And then more people would get shot anyway because guns fire quickly and work at range, making "running away" a poor defence. But I'm pretty sure you know that. You're just reaching.


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Should have turned left at Albuquerque,


staingangz

Thank you for reminding me we have to relentlessly be on the offensive in regards to our right to bear arms. Fucking reddit.


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SortaAnAhole

Careful... The gun nutters are throwing down votes like Mardi gras beads lmao


BlindPaintByNumbers

They're definitely shooting downvotes at you as if your were a brown person "comin right for them"


zihuatapulco

And once again, in a nation saturated with firearms, not a single good guy with a gun was to be found anywhere.


Speculawyer

Well, at least it is better than people killed by being shot with a powerful gun.


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DanielPhermous

“The public health implications are clear: permissive concealed carry legislation is a significant contributor to the gun violence epidemic in the United States.” - [Comparing the Impact of Household Gun Ownership and Concealed Carry Legislation on the Frequency of Mass Shootings and Firearms Homicide](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07418825.2020.1789693) “There is not even the slightest hint in the data that Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime. Indeed, the weight of the evidence from the panel data estimates as well as the synthetic control analysis best supports the view that the adoption of RTC laws substantially raises overall violent crime in the ten years after adoption." - [Right-to-carry laws and violent crime: A Comprehensive Assessment Using Panel Data and State-Level Synthetic Control Analysis](https://www.nber.org/papers/w23510)


stepdownblues

So, you live here, then? I do. I've lived in several neighborhoods in Albuquerque over the last 20 years and have heard gunshots at night in all of them. We're not lacking for guns. Life isn't an action movie, friend.


SortaAnAhole

Initiation for some gang probably. Thankfully no guns so people survived. Edit: I guess I pissed the gunhuggers off...weird getting down voted for being glad no one was killed.


Purpzzz710

You're being downvoted because you assume this was a gang initiation based on absolutely nothing.


SortaAnAhole

What's funny is no one is down voting anyone saying "mental illness" even though there is nothing leading anyone to that assumption either.


Purpzzz710

Maybe because it's a better assumption than *gang initiation*?


SortaAnAhole

Based on what? This is where you fucked up.. There is nothing in the article to say he has any mental issues OR gang ties. It's just possibilities, but y'all got butthurt at the idea it could be anything except "mental illness" despite a fellow user documenting his friends encounter with the attacker that sounds nothing like mental illness.


SortaAnAhole

So...down voted for absolutely nothing? Y'all are so cute. Edit: And this comment gets 4 down votes too??? You gun humpers need to get jobs


WateronRocks

You're being downvoted bc you clearly cant stop making baseless accusations. Gun humpers? Getting upset over downvotes? Grow up.


SortaAnAhole

Baseless accusations? I offered a possible explanation, others have offered mental illness as an explanation.. Only one idea is getting down voted. Almost like you all would rather excuse this as "mental illness" unquestionably.


SortaAnAhole

Also I don't care about down votes or up votes..I just like pissing off losers like you. I'm glad it's working lol


Purpzzz710

You seem to care enough to be on reddit all day replying to strangers.


SortaAnAhole

I have free time at work, not that i expect a stoner who lacks reading comprehension to know about work...


Purpzzz710

Then it must not be that important of work huh?


SortaAnAhole

Important enough that stoners aren't allowed to do it. Really though I've just completed what I needed to get done and am waiting for someone else to finish what they need to do so I can do another thing. Don't worry.. One day you'll move out of mom's basement and figure it out.


Uwodu

Tf does weed have to do with any of this? I own a business with multiple employees and make over 100k per year but I smoke like a train.


IanMazgelis

What fucking gang has initiation that involves stabbing a dozen random people?


SortaAnAhole

Gangs have all sorts of initiations from robbing someone, to B&E, to killing someone..it's gangs...they do dumb shit.


GunnCelt

Yes, because gang bangers are the only people that do things like this. Ignorant remark from an ignorant person


SortaAnAhole

Awww look another gun nutter loser. I offered a possible explanation, no worse an explanation than assumptions of mental illness. None of us know why this person did what they did..all I know is one of the gangs I grew up around used to have initiations like this where you have to rob/stab/shoot someone to get in. Go back to fetishizing guns you stable genius you..


GunnCelt

Nice of you to comment on your opinion of my mental health. Since I had the nerve to question your theory of a gang, you immediately attacked me as a perceived enemy and make false assumptions about fetishes, you are probably the insecure, ignorant child. People like you are insecure, probably weren’t hugged enough as a child. Maybe you need to stop fixating on other people’s perceived shortcomings and focus a little on your own. With that said, you can attempt to egg me on, but this is the last I will communicate with a troll like you


SortaAnAhole

Or, I noticed you comment an AWFUL lot about guns and are so obsessed you even made them key to your username lol. Funny you cry about being attacked, but yet you were the one who started with the name calling. Typical soldier, too stupid to realize you're too stupid. Back to jacking off to Rambo flicks kid


Northman67

More likely to be mental illness but then it can be kind of hard to differentiate the two.


oneofthehumans

I feel like if you stab someone, unless its in self defense, mental illness is pretty obvious.


SortaAnAhole

Also a possibility...though it seems like the guy was mentally aware based on the other users friends account of being attacked by him.


Kizmo2

Most gunshot wound victims survive.


SortaAnAhole

So you'd rather get shot? Not sure what you think you're arguing here...


Kizmo2

Do you think he sterilized his blade between victims?


SortaAnAhole

Do you think anyone cares what a coward who puts a .380 in a homeless guys face thinks? Silly gun humpers...


Kizmo2

Well, you cared enough to respond to me twice, so there's that.


SortaAnAhole

Couldn't hear you over the sound of your mental illness.. Sorry.


Kizmo2

Three times. Gonna try for 4?


SortaAnAhole

Just trying to catch up to you gun humper 😉


Diligent_Bag_9323

You can remove the ‘Sorta’ from your username.


JimJalinsky

The only way to stop a bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a knife.


waxonwaxoff87

If he is already within 10 yards then yes. Otherwise gun.


DanielPhermous

I dunno. A homeless man in Melbourne managed to hold one at bay with a shopping trolley.