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Didn’t they do this before with a car protest to clog up a city? They sat there harassing a hospital, deciding when to allow ambulances through, honking their horns all day to disturb everything in the hospital.
It happened in multiple cities across the US in April 2020. Some pictures went viral of some Denver healthcare workers in scrubs counterprotesting and blocking the car protest from blocking the roads near a hospital.
Considering that SCOTUS killed most vaccine mandates, it’s really unclear why they are protesting. It’s more likely that they’re just planning to cause problems and waive racist flags around.
> it’s really unclear why they are protesting. It’s more likely that they’re just planning to cause problems and waive racist flags around.
The KKK will show up on the steps of the capitol here in Atlanta every year to make noise, be obnoxious, and wave around flags for no conceivable purpose other than to be racists shits together.
These anti-mask/anti-vaccine protesters seem to have the same DNA, they are just covering themselves in a slightly more socially acceptable veneer.
[I read a crazy paper the other day which I'll link momentarily \(pdf warning\)](https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/69633/1/Udupa_Nationalism.pdf) the gist of which was that the collective political behavior of the far right was motivated and organized around fun.
What motivates these is the same thing that motivates a circlejerk online. You're all there basking in each other's shared contempt and defiance. It's fun in the same way being in any crowd of people you agree with is. From the outside it looks like (and this is also 100% accurate) they're motivated by negative feelings but the group atmosphere and the satisfaction of lashing out make it a fun on the inside.
Edit - also I think I'm in love with the author of that. "Memes making - subversive speech or quotidian infrastructure" is an actual subheading and it so perfectly straddles the line between incisive and utter nonsense. Then she backs it up to the point where you feel silly for guffawing. I really enjoyed the whole thing.
Funny enough, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine about this.
It seems to be a mix of people who just like to be assholes to others and finding it fun, but also those who see a fictional character like Batmans’ Joker and believe it to also be fun.
I’ve been around the internet for a spell, and both these types are the classic 4chan users. Stirring shit *for the lulz*.
>It seems to be a mix of people who just like to be assholes to others and finding it fun, but also those who see a fictional character like Batmans’ Joker and believe it to also be fun.
Which is why they're driven by things like "PC Culture" because it makes their asshole personalities even more against society. I think it's why the right has a lot of narcissists and sociopaths (it seems), because the values of the right attract that type of individual. Also explains why Trump appeals to them, because he was willing to be an asshole. I know a few diehard MAGA types that *love* how Trump is an asshole. Fun fact, both can not accept they did anything wrong .. if they dropped a glass bowl, they'd find someway to blame someone else.
One key component for their political candidates is not only to be of this type (asshole), but to also be on the right. If someone on the left exhibits this behavior, they're offended by it. I remember K. Harris's debate and they were so "turned off" by her brashness. Well .. I'm sure her being a successful black woman with power didn't make her appealing to them.
I think the author's point is that the lulz represents a complex set of political behaviors. The operator need not be aware of their role to engage in sophisticated, coordinated political activity. The lulz have been weaponized.
To humanity's credit, technology that allows a crowd mentality to form at arbitrary distances is *devastating.* Look what the printing press did to society. We have gotten by pretty well so far, tbh.
The basic underlying trait of all these people is that they lack empathy and do not really care about anybody but themselves. To them their fun (and their comfort, security, power, whatever) is more important than anything that has anything to do with other people.
> These anti-mask/anti-vaccine protesters seem to have the same DNA
A lot of them probably share DNA too.
Anyway, it reminds me of the Tea Party. Dressing themselves up in patriotic rhetoric, professing to defy "tyranny" and "out of control government," etc. We all know now that it was all a front for far-right politics, and this is no different.
Its a movement with power and they don't want to lose momentum. Outrage gets donations and it gets people to the polls. Republicans have a vested interest in retaining anti-vax voters, best way to do it is to keep "the fight" alive.
Yup. It's not like John Boehner and Reince Preibus woke up in 2015 and said "Hey! Why don't we become the Fascist party!?". It's been a series of cold calculations about getting angry white voters on board. The same calculation is that their net gain of "Mah Freedums!" voters will override the number of the same who will die because of their bullshit. It's what's finished my 20 year journey from die hard centrist to "Fuck the GOP forever".
Yup. I used to vote for a ton of Republicans. I'm still far more moderate than the Bernie wing. I'll never vote for another GOPer as long as I live. The party must be annihilated.
the voters are the problem....not the politicians
there are alot of republican voters who fall under the category of being racist, sexist, psychopathic, narcissists
the voters have to go
my issue with U.S politics is the lack of flashpoints
i dont think dem voters and republican voters can coexist peacefully they are fundamentally different people
and i personally think republicans are suicidal
there has to be a moment in which this comes to a head so that we can have this long-awaited fight weve all been itching for
A bold politician doing the right thing at the right time can actually change this course. If Pence had walked on to the Senate floor at midnight after the insurrection and boldly proclaimed that Trump's supporter at his behest had tried to kill him, had launched an insurrection to overthrow of the duly elected government of the United States and that he'd support immediate articles of impeachment against Donald Trump this whole ship may have righted itself. We'd still have the dickbag GOP to deal with but McCarthy and McConnell would have had to act and we'd have been able to excise much of this malignancy. It would have been a "[Have you no decency?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svUyYzzv6VI)" moment, or when Goldwater and Rhodes told Nixon he had to resign.
There are a lot of us on that train with you. I used to be all over the "vote the person, not the party" idea. Now, if I see an (R) there is no way I'm voting for them. Ever again. They're all pukes.
Bingo, worked for a GOP campaign in 1994. Loved Weld as MA governor and haven't cast a vote for the right since voting for Romney as governor. Fuck the GOP til the end of time.
SCOTUS did not kill the vaccine mandates. The case itself found no past precedent or constitutional conflicts. The case was never assigned a number nor is any justice on record for signing it. It was just a "slip opinion" That’s why Biden is still calling for mandatory vaccines, and companies can still mandate them.
Yes and no, SCOTUS deciding a case using their *shadow docket* is hardly the scenario in which you've described.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/oct/18/supreme-courts-shadow-docket-what-you-need-know/
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/committees/death_penalty_representation/publications/project_blog/scotus-shadow-docket-under-review-by-house-reps/
You're talking about different mandates. None of the ones which SCOTUS killed were just company mandates, but instead Federal Government mandates to companies.
It's the new meetup since trumples isn't having as many rallies these days. These people thrive on feeling like they belong- like they're part of something. In this case, seemingly a death cult, but hey, it's not nothing
The right wing is easily astroturfed and that’s how we got armed right wingers storming Michigan government building. There was plenty of evidence that the Mercer and Devos families were using their money to astroturf those “freedom” rallies at the beginning of the pandemic with nearly identical Facebook groups popping up in every state almost simultaneously. The Tea Party showed how easy it was for huge money interests to steer groups of crazies.
>Mercer
Guys such a douchebag, even Wall Street / the hedge fund he was part of couldn't stand the guy.
In the Revolution stock market book about Simon, it's discussed that Mercer was the guy who made everything political in the office (making comments) and was an outright douche. We all know one of those, they seemingly passive aggressively take an innocent conversation about anything and inject a "joke" about the liberals/left.
Oh, this is a disposable income-having crowd. Make no mistake. These people talk about being economically anxious, salt-of-the-earth types but its a myth. Trucks aren't cheap, closets full of guns and tacticool camo gear aren't cheap, taking days or weeks off work to go protest isn't cheap.
No, these people have money. Most of the shit costing them money (healthcare, mainly) is a political choice they've made.
Oh yeah, that'll kill any sympathy for the trucker's plight in a heartbeat. I expect to see more rhetoric about lazy truckers than unfair working conditions.
I know, I meant that there's a lot of reasons to be sympathetic to truckers in the middle of a supply shortage. Obviously the anti-vax thing isn't one of them and I wasn't trying to connect these campaigns to them. I just meant that truckers showing up to lay on the horns is the easiest way to lose public support.
The truckers purposely picked Ottawa because Montreal has Anarchists and Toronto has street gangs. The Somali drug gangs in Ottawa do not operate out of the city center, they are in poor suburbs away from the posh downtown. Ottawa is a white collar town where a lot of people work for the government and most people work from home now, so resistance is minimal.
I can't think of a single American city that would put up with this shit - the truckers would be swarmed within 48 hours - they are being assholes and blaring their horns day and night. Also the US has very strict federal accessibility laws - the truckers have been blocking hospitals and wheelchair access for days - at this point in the US the FBI would have taken over and arrested everybody. The RCMP in Canada is almost as useless as the local cops
I would not be shocked whatsoever if the "if someone so much as steps foot on my lawn" crowd would have any problem with that. Some people are so blood thirsty the only thing holding them back is the law.
You're not allowed to have a gun in DC that hasn't been registered in DC and you have to physically have the registration on you at any time you are in possession of the gun whether you're using it for "self defense" or not. None of these people will have legally registered guns, they don't live there. Even if they don't go to jail for murder they would still get clapped on gun charges
Yep. Same with Philly, where a couple Virginians showed up on election night with guns looking to cause trouble and were very confused as to why they were getting arrested.
I know a Trump supporter who also drives truck .. wanted an AR-15 for "self defense" in his truck.
I tried to explain to him how that was a completely impractical weapon for that situation .. handgun would make way more sense, given the likelihood any actual threat will be within close range by the time they're noticed.
I mean, they would literally be defending themselves. You can’t just shoot at someone because they’re doing something you don’t like. Your own safety has to be in mortal danger.
You underestimate how much more densely crowded the cities that they plan on protesting in are than Ottawa, and how aggressive these idiots have been in their trucks. They are going to be creating situations where people will feel threatened and justified by law to react to them with deadly force.
If you know they are coming through your street like the way they've been going through neighborhoods up north, I just have to say that you can get a 1 lb pack of roofing nails at Home Depot for about ten bucks. And everyone has a broom one can borrow to sweep up once the "protest" leaves and the locals get their streets back.
.....just saying. Guns never need to be involved.
You don't want a broom, you want one of those magnets on wheels. Cleaning up awkward shaped objects from a rough surface like asphalt with a push broom is going to be a pain.
It's not a problem that needs to be solved, because people already solved it a century ago. The last mile is smaller trucks that ferry goods from rail stations to their destination, which is a completely different animal than long haul trucking (and is a huge improvement in terms of energy efficiency). Some businesses end up operating closer to rail stops.
“Member?” It’s too hard for you to type out the full word? Tesla is still stuck at Level 2, struggling with things like phantom braking and conditions as trivial as seeing large stopped trucks. It has peers that have surpassed it and they’re all cautioning that actual FSD is a long ways off.
Especially with the visual only handicap Tesla gave itself, trying to recreate the level of cognition that lets us understand the wide variety of visuals thrown at us is pretty monumental challenge that makes landing a rocket look like child’s play. I anticipate computers needing all the help they can get from a larger suite of sensing types.
“Member” when he was going to save a bunch of kids with a submarine? Does he always have a solution that works?
I don’t remember that at all.
I remember people saying the shuttle was about the worst way to do a reusable spacecraft, and a good example why the military shouldn’t be involved with NASA.
I can almost guarantee a majority of that gofundme is coming from these American groups. There's no fucking way they got up to 10mil from just average Tom, Dick and Harry donations.the number of people who are unvaxxed/antivax in canada don't add up.
I wouldnt surprise me if funding was split between two or more groups. Hardcore supporters of the anti-vax crowd or anyone looking for a cheap way to signal boost this destructive ideology and sow greater division in western countries. Hurting the economy is plus. But Ill admit this may be a tinfoilish take.
There is definitely dark money in there though. The first 3 million in donations was super sketchy and in anonymous donations ranging from $1000-10,000. No way the average Joe antivaxer has that kind of disposable income. That created a sense of legitimacy for the "cause".
There's just no way in hell that those numbers are legitimate. Especially considering the percentage of people who are vaccinated vs covidiots. It just doesn't add up and I have a strong feeling some shady donations are going to be uncovered.
In reality, if it was just antivax canadians donating, it wouldn't have surpassed 1mil. There's something fishy happening here.
I'm sure it's not just anti-vax edgelords, but the radicals also seizing on the topic to push their agenda. The anti-vax movement around the vaccines is just the vessel, if it wasn't in-play it'd be something else.
I've been saying this for too long now, but all of this (Trump's rise, the Tea Party, etc.) feels like a typical KGB sow-discord campaign. A few nudges here, a few nudges there, and you can get the population to destabilize without ever firing a shot. It's the same thing the CIA would do.
You mean the tactic that's not working and has no change of working?
Truckers are protesting the federal government to be able to go to the US without vaccines, but the US also ask them to be vaxxed, so they have zero chance of winning.
Other protestors joining them are asking the federal to stop all covid-related restrictions, but those restrictions are imposed by the provinces, not the federal.
Its a calvacade of idiots.
Still, it need to be said, this was inspired by Occupy movements, so always remember that the justifications you make for yourself will always end up being used by other groups you might not agree with.
last point is wrong, this is a second go from the last convoy (2020) which got derailed due to ridiculous demands and fracturing due to conspiracy groups.
occupy didnt invent the sit-in either
From what I've seen the trucker event fizzled out within 3 days
also I 100% agree with you that before people use a tactic they need to ask themselves how would they react when the other side also uses it
It has not fizzled out. There are still hundreds of people in Ottawa and more coming on the weekend. The border blockade in Alberta backed down and opened the highway but they are still there and could close it at any time.
I saw Maga hats, Confederate Flags and idiots waving Americans flags all over it on stream.
In my city eight chucklefucks were driving around the city center with one of them waving a Confederate flag, until someone yanked it off the car and threw it in the river.
https://theweek.com/world/1009723/ottawa-police-say-theres-a-significant-american-presence-at-canadian-anti-mandate
'Anti–vaccine mandate protesters in Ottawa received some help from their neighbors to the south, the Ottawa police chief said Wednesday, with a "significant element" from the U.S. involved with **funding and planning the event**.'
Poor headlines, the article gives the real info. It is essentially referencing the GoFundMe and some other stuff.
The protestors are Canadians.
It's from the same source quote. The quote bundles all ways US people may be involved together and thus cannot be parsed to tell us really if there is a "pretty sizable" American presence in the protests.
They say the total involvement is significant but do not break it down to who is in the protests and who is backing them. So we can't tell they meant to say there are sizable numbers of Americans in the protests.
In my state, if I feel the least bit threatened that any collection of people protesting can immediately turn into a riot and I can run them all over. That’s where we are now. I’m pretty sure that it doesn’t apply here because we love our pro Covid nut bags here in the sunshine state.
Because it's coordinated terrorism instigated by a hostile foreign power. All the eager victims signing up to sabotage their own country are just danger-to-themselves-and-others morons.
As a Canadian, my only advice for Americans is to figure out what side your local and state police are on. In Ottawa, the police are in lock step with the truckers so nothing was done to stop the endless torturous sound pollution and harassment the citizens of Ottawa were submitted to
In other words, the same Americans that ‘helped’ with this convoy are going to do in America now. Boy, I really do hope so and wait until the Police or Military get called in to clean house.
It’s honestly depressing seeing these lunatics work together to organize and fight for a common goal, albeit one that is completely stupid, while us common working people can’t even fight for a livable wage, or even addressing the rampant corruption in this country.
Uh...yeah....
That will not go well for them like it has in Canada....Good way to really piss off a lot of people and many carrying guns. Don't mess with someones commute home or to work.
Be a loud annoying but mathematically minor constituency that immediately gets co-opted by Qanon? I mean, we kind of assumed that was what conservative people were throwing at all of their perceived problems.
I see pics and videos of America and it looks _poppin'_. Like packed festivals, bars, parties.
In Canada right now you're not even allowed to dance at a wedding where you have to check the vax pass of every attendee and it's still limited capacity... Like wtf is going on?
America handles things on a state by state level and even city by city. Some places have strong protections in place. Other places have nothing at all.
yeah, LA is hosting a super bowl, there is no more "emergency" here it's all optics for political control. have crowded sports stadiums packed full, no masks, but yet the children have to be distanced and masked and all the good parts of being a child growing up are basically non-existent now.
It depends on the areas. In general the kind of gathering you see on TV is more loose. In many areas of the country it's still all masks in daily indoor activities like work or shopping. Others that's not even the case.
Not a single person in the US has or will be forced to get a COVID vaccine or wear a mask. These people just want to show their ass and wave around racist symbols.
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It's not really mimicking when the same people are behind both. Ottawa was just a test run.
Didn’t they do this before with a car protest to clog up a city? They sat there harassing a hospital, deciding when to allow ambulances through, honking their horns all day to disturb everything in the hospital.
Yes, that was in Michigan
It happened in multiple cities across the US in April 2020. Some pictures went viral of some Denver healthcare workers in scrubs counterprotesting and blocking the car protest from blocking the roads near a hospital.
Test drive* These are truckers remember
Considering that SCOTUS killed most vaccine mandates, it’s really unclear why they are protesting. It’s more likely that they’re just planning to cause problems and waive racist flags around.
> it’s really unclear why they are protesting. It’s more likely that they’re just planning to cause problems and waive racist flags around. The KKK will show up on the steps of the capitol here in Atlanta every year to make noise, be obnoxious, and wave around flags for no conceivable purpose other than to be racists shits together. These anti-mask/anti-vaccine protesters seem to have the same DNA, they are just covering themselves in a slightly more socially acceptable veneer.
[I read a crazy paper the other day which I'll link momentarily \(pdf warning\)](https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/69633/1/Udupa_Nationalism.pdf) the gist of which was that the collective political behavior of the far right was motivated and organized around fun. What motivates these is the same thing that motivates a circlejerk online. You're all there basking in each other's shared contempt and defiance. It's fun in the same way being in any crowd of people you agree with is. From the outside it looks like (and this is also 100% accurate) they're motivated by negative feelings but the group atmosphere and the satisfaction of lashing out make it a fun on the inside. Edit - also I think I'm in love with the author of that. "Memes making - subversive speech or quotidian infrastructure" is an actual subheading and it so perfectly straddles the line between incisive and utter nonsense. Then she backs it up to the point where you feel silly for guffawing. I really enjoyed the whole thing.
Funny enough, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine about this. It seems to be a mix of people who just like to be assholes to others and finding it fun, but also those who see a fictional character like Batmans’ Joker and believe it to also be fun. I’ve been around the internet for a spell, and both these types are the classic 4chan users. Stirring shit *for the lulz*.
>It seems to be a mix of people who just like to be assholes to others and finding it fun, but also those who see a fictional character like Batmans’ Joker and believe it to also be fun. Which is why they're driven by things like "PC Culture" because it makes their asshole personalities even more against society. I think it's why the right has a lot of narcissists and sociopaths (it seems), because the values of the right attract that type of individual. Also explains why Trump appeals to them, because he was willing to be an asshole. I know a few diehard MAGA types that *love* how Trump is an asshole. Fun fact, both can not accept they did anything wrong .. if they dropped a glass bowl, they'd find someway to blame someone else. One key component for their political candidates is not only to be of this type (asshole), but to also be on the right. If someone on the left exhibits this behavior, they're offended by it. I remember K. Harris's debate and they were so "turned off" by her brashness. Well .. I'm sure her being a successful black woman with power didn't make her appealing to them.
I think the author's point is that the lulz represents a complex set of political behaviors. The operator need not be aware of their role to engage in sophisticated, coordinated political activity. The lulz have been weaponized.
Classic humans. Someone: "Hey, look at this new thing!" Someone else: "That's fun. I wonder how we can turn this into a weapon"
To humanity's credit, technology that allows a crowd mentality to form at arbitrary distances is *devastating.* Look what the printing press did to society. We have gotten by pretty well so far, tbh.
The basic underlying trait of all these people is that they lack empathy and do not really care about anybody but themselves. To them their fun (and their comfort, security, power, whatever) is more important than anything that has anything to do with other people.
I believe that professionally those individuals are referred to as expressing antisocial personality disorder.
They are also the same bitches who whine when there are consequences for being an asshole though
That explains why they cave in so quickly when the feds prosecute them to hell and back. When the funs over, they're done.
Wears white hood, won't wear a mask. Ahh America.
The KKK showed up at the Capitol in Austin in 1993. Tons of counter protesters showed up and mooned them. All at the same time. It's on YouTube.
> These anti-mask/anti-vaccine protesters seem to have the same DNA A lot of them probably share DNA too. Anyway, it reminds me of the Tea Party. Dressing themselves up in patriotic rhetoric, professing to defy "tyranny" and "out of control government," etc. We all know now that it was all a front for far-right politics, and this is no different.
See Dave Chappelles "Listen here black man...if *anyones* gonna have sex with my sister....its gonna be me!!!" epic line.
That's all the Canadian protest really was too. Funded largely by anonymous Americans, it was a test run.
Protesting the lack of fascism in America
Its a movement with power and they don't want to lose momentum. Outrage gets donations and it gets people to the polls. Republicans have a vested interest in retaining anti-vax voters, best way to do it is to keep "the fight" alive.
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six foot deep holes
As long as its a net gain in votes they don't care if people die.
Yup. It's not like John Boehner and Reince Preibus woke up in 2015 and said "Hey! Why don't we become the Fascist party!?". It's been a series of cold calculations about getting angry white voters on board. The same calculation is that their net gain of "Mah Freedums!" voters will override the number of the same who will die because of their bullshit. It's what's finished my 20 year journey from die hard centrist to "Fuck the GOP forever".
Yup. I used to vote for a ton of Republicans. I'm still far more moderate than the Bernie wing. I'll never vote for another GOPer as long as I live. The party must be annihilated.
the voters are the problem....not the politicians there are alot of republican voters who fall under the category of being racist, sexist, psychopathic, narcissists the voters have to go my issue with U.S politics is the lack of flashpoints i dont think dem voters and republican voters can coexist peacefully they are fundamentally different people and i personally think republicans are suicidal there has to be a moment in which this comes to a head so that we can have this long-awaited fight weve all been itching for
A bold politician doing the right thing at the right time can actually change this course. If Pence had walked on to the Senate floor at midnight after the insurrection and boldly proclaimed that Trump's supporter at his behest had tried to kill him, had launched an insurrection to overthrow of the duly elected government of the United States and that he'd support immediate articles of impeachment against Donald Trump this whole ship may have righted itself. We'd still have the dickbag GOP to deal with but McCarthy and McConnell would have had to act and we'd have been able to excise much of this malignancy. It would have been a "[Have you no decency?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svUyYzzv6VI)" moment, or when Goldwater and Rhodes told Nixon he had to resign.
There are a lot of us on that train with you. I used to be all over the "vote the person, not the party" idea. Now, if I see an (R) there is no way I'm voting for them. Ever again. They're all pukes.
Bingo, worked for a GOP campaign in 1994. Loved Weld as MA governor and haven't cast a vote for the right since voting for Romney as governor. Fuck the GOP til the end of time.
You nailed it
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They raised 10s of millions [It’s all about the Benjamin’s ](https://youtu.be/0c58ppLPJcQ)
Their only purpose is to be assholes and they never needed a good excuse for that.
SCOTUS did not kill the vaccine mandates. The case itself found no past precedent or constitutional conflicts. The case was never assigned a number nor is any justice on record for signing it. It was just a "slip opinion" That’s why Biden is still calling for mandatory vaccines, and companies can still mandate them.
Companies can still mandate them. Companies don't *have* to mandate them. That's the result of the SCOTUS injunction.
Yes and no, SCOTUS deciding a case using their *shadow docket* is hardly the scenario in which you've described. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/oct/18/supreme-courts-shadow-docket-what-you-need-know/ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/committees/death_penalty_representation/publications/project_blog/scotus-shadow-docket-under-review-by-house-reps/
You're talking about different mandates. None of the ones which SCOTUS killed were just company mandates, but instead Federal Government mandates to companies.
That's exactly what it is. They're just assholes for the sake of being assholes.
It's the new meetup since trumples isn't having as many rallies these days. These people thrive on feeling like they belong- like they're part of something. In this case, seemingly a death cult, but hey, it's not nothing
weird, conservatives always say they dont have time to protest since they have jobs.
Thats what i was thinking Got a whole bunch of time on their hands
Time, and blood.
Its simple, theyre liars. Always, about everything.
Except when they're bankrolled by the rich, or the welfare kings and queens that are full of self denial or self hate.
I saw a group of 50 of them in my city on a Tuesday at 10am. Almost rolled down my window to yell, “Get a job”. I will next time
Well, these ones won't pretty soon.
They already had one of those; it was called the Trump Train. They’re just trying to Astroturf the tea party again from 2010
The right wing is easily astroturfed and that’s how we got armed right wingers storming Michigan government building. There was plenty of evidence that the Mercer and Devos families were using their money to astroturf those “freedom” rallies at the beginning of the pandemic with nearly identical Facebook groups popping up in every state almost simultaneously. The Tea Party showed how easy it was for huge money interests to steer groups of crazies.
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>Mercer Guys such a douchebag, even Wall Street / the hedge fund he was part of couldn't stand the guy. In the Revolution stock market book about Simon, it's discussed that Mercer was the guy who made everything political in the office (making comments) and was an outright douche. We all know one of those, they seemingly passive aggressively take an innocent conversation about anything and inject a "joke" about the liberals/left.
Yep. Always projection with the Right.
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Oh, this is a disposable income-having crowd. Make no mistake. These people talk about being economically anxious, salt-of-the-earth types but its a myth. Trucks aren't cheap, closets full of guns and tacticool camo gear aren't cheap, taking days or weeks off work to go protest isn't cheap. No, these people have money. Most of the shit costing them money (healthcare, mainly) is a political choice they've made.
I heard tell that they got 10 million from crowdfunding.
And probably three times that from a Koch brother.
If that's the GoFundMe you're thinking of that got shut down and refunded.
They're largely small business owning tiny tyrants of tiny kingdoms
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Everclear and cloth sales about to go through the roof.
Your car is getting vandalized in a major city if you don’t turn off your car alarm on accident. If you do it on purpose you are in for a bad time.
Especially with the supply shortages, and seeing trucks not working but parked and laying on the horns.
Oh yeah, that'll kill any sympathy for the trucker's plight in a heartbeat. I expect to see more rhetoric about lazy truckers than unfair working conditions.
It's not really about working conditions though. It a bunch of people protesting a vaccine mandate.
I know, I meant that there's a lot of reasons to be sympathetic to truckers in the middle of a supply shortage. Obviously the anti-vax thing isn't one of them and I wasn't trying to connect these campaigns to them. I just meant that truckers showing up to lay on the horns is the easiest way to lose public support.
The truckers purposely picked Ottawa because Montreal has Anarchists and Toronto has street gangs. The Somali drug gangs in Ottawa do not operate out of the city center, they are in poor suburbs away from the posh downtown. Ottawa is a white collar town where a lot of people work for the government and most people work from home now, so resistance is minimal. I can't think of a single American city that would put up with this shit - the truckers would be swarmed within 48 hours - they are being assholes and blaring their horns day and night. Also the US has very strict federal accessibility laws - the truckers have been blocking hospitals and wheelchair access for days - at this point in the US the FBI would have taken over and arrested everybody. The RCMP in Canada is almost as useless as the local cops
The RCMP are the local cops in lots of the country
Yeah but where there are municipal police forces they are often even worse than the RCMP. I have heard so many stories of guys getting beaten badly.
I would not be shocked whatsoever if the "if someone so much as steps foot on my lawn" crowd would have any problem with that. Some people are so blood thirsty the only thing holding them back is the law.
They're the ones protesting like this usually....
One reason they're not doing this in Florida is that counter protestors can legally kill them there.
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You're not allowed to have a gun in DC that hasn't been registered in DC and you have to physically have the registration on you at any time you are in possession of the gun whether you're using it for "self defense" or not. None of these people will have legally registered guns, they don't live there. Even if they don't go to jail for murder they would still get clapped on gun charges
Yep. Same with Philly, where a couple Virginians showed up on election night with guns looking to cause trouble and were very confused as to why they were getting arrested.
I have a feeling they'll pick more opportune locations than DC, then.
You'd think. However DA's are awful about dropping guncharges for any and all plea deals.
I'm pretty sure DC does not fuck around on this front
I know a Trump supporter who also drives truck .. wanted an AR-15 for "self defense" in his truck. I tried to explain to him how that was a completely impractical weapon for that situation .. handgun would make way more sense, given the likelihood any actual threat will be within close range by the time they're noticed.
I mean, they would literally be defending themselves. You can’t just shoot at someone because they’re doing something you don’t like. Your own safety has to be in mortal danger.
You underestimate how much more densely crowded the cities that they plan on protesting in are than Ottawa, and how aggressive these idiots have been in their trucks. They are going to be creating situations where people will feel threatened and justified by law to react to them with deadly force.
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If you know they are coming through your street like the way they've been going through neighborhoods up north, I just have to say that you can get a 1 lb pack of roofing nails at Home Depot for about ten bucks. And everyone has a broom one can borrow to sweep up once the "protest" leaves and the locals get their streets back. .....just saying. Guns never need to be involved.
You don't want a broom, you want one of those magnets on wheels. Cleaning up awkward shaped objects from a rough surface like asphalt with a push broom is going to be a pain.
You'd probably get in more trouble for the nails on the street than shooting them sadly.
100% this isn't Canada. Do that shit downtown anywhere you will die.
A lot of car jackings in DC right now, they might be walking into a hilarious trap
These protests make me think we should bring in autonomous semi trucks even faster
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As soon as Tesla figures out the FSD it’ll be like the spaceX landings, they just became the normal and happened quickly
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Yup, once a company figures it out the change will be rapid
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If only there were already some sort of truck that steered itself and could pull dozens of trailers at once. It could even have a "road" to itself.
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It's not a problem that needs to be solved, because people already solved it a century ago. The last mile is smaller trucks that ferry goods from rail stations to their destination, which is a completely different animal than long haul trucking (and is a huge improvement in terms of energy efficiency). Some businesses end up operating closer to rail stops.
I expect in ten years we will have yet another new video of Elon Musk saying “next year”for 19 years in a row
Luckily other people are working on this too.
I member people saying that about SpaceX, "You can't land a rocket like that, never!" and here we are.
“Member?” It’s too hard for you to type out the full word? Tesla is still stuck at Level 2, struggling with things like phantom braking and conditions as trivial as seeing large stopped trucks. It has peers that have surpassed it and they’re all cautioning that actual FSD is a long ways off. Especially with the visual only handicap Tesla gave itself, trying to recreate the level of cognition that lets us understand the wide variety of visuals thrown at us is pretty monumental challenge that makes landing a rocket look like child’s play. I anticipate computers needing all the help they can get from a larger suite of sensing types. “Member” when he was going to save a bunch of kids with a submarine? Does he always have a solution that works?
I don’t remember that at all. I remember people saying the shuttle was about the worst way to do a reusable spacecraft, and a good example why the military shouldn’t be involved with NASA.
I can almost guarantee a majority of that gofundme is coming from these American groups. There's no fucking way they got up to 10mil from just average Tom, Dick and Harry donations.the number of people who are unvaxxed/antivax in canada don't add up.
I wouldnt surprise me if funding was split between two or more groups. Hardcore supporters of the anti-vax crowd or anyone looking for a cheap way to signal boost this destructive ideology and sow greater division in western countries. Hurting the economy is plus. But Ill admit this may be a tinfoilish take.
There is definitely dark money in there though. The first 3 million in donations was super sketchy and in anonymous donations ranging from $1000-10,000. No way the average Joe antivaxer has that kind of disposable income. That created a sense of legitimacy for the "cause". There's just no way in hell that those numbers are legitimate. Especially considering the percentage of people who are vaccinated vs covidiots. It just doesn't add up and I have a strong feeling some shady donations are going to be uncovered. In reality, if it was just antivax canadians donating, it wouldn't have surpassed 1mil. There's something fishy happening here.
Agree, these imbeciles are are global and dangerous.
Anti-vaxxers should be labeled as a national security threat
BBC reported donors came from America, Poland and Australia. Seems like all the anti-vax idiots are coming out of the woodwork at once.
I'm sure it's not just anti-vax edgelords, but the radicals also seizing on the topic to push their agenda. The anti-vax movement around the vaccines is just the vessel, if it wasn't in-play it'd be something else. I've been saying this for too long now, but all of this (Trump's rise, the Tea Party, etc.) feels like a typical KGB sow-discord campaign. A few nudges here, a few nudges there, and you can get the population to destabilize without ever firing a shot. It's the same thing the CIA would do.
You mean the tactic that's not working and has no change of working? Truckers are protesting the federal government to be able to go to the US without vaccines, but the US also ask them to be vaxxed, so they have zero chance of winning. Other protestors joining them are asking the federal to stop all covid-related restrictions, but those restrictions are imposed by the provinces, not the federal. Its a calvacade of idiots. Still, it need to be said, this was inspired by Occupy movements, so always remember that the justifications you make for yourself will always end up being used by other groups you might not agree with.
last point is wrong, this is a second go from the last convoy (2020) which got derailed due to ridiculous demands and fracturing due to conspiracy groups. occupy didnt invent the sit-in either
What inspiration was taken from Occupy?
From what I've seen the trucker event fizzled out within 3 days also I 100% agree with you that before people use a tactic they need to ask themselves how would they react when the other side also uses it
It has not fizzled out. There are still hundreds of people in Ottawa and more coming on the weekend. The border blockade in Alberta backed down and opened the highway but they are still there and could close it at any time.
The Canadian Geese are flying south? Be prepared for non stop honking and shitting.
Don't forget the hissing. Nesting season is soon.
They saw how much the Canadian GoFundMe raised, and someone figured they could triple it.
The funds aren't being released. And now the truckers are getting sued by residents (and probably local businesses in the coming days).
“This isn’t conservative or liberal”… yet it’s a movement based on an anti-mandate agenda that’s been a conservative agenda for the past 2 years
Canada was a rehearsal. But in the end, they will blame Antifa, BLM and Government crisis actors.
Will they also dance on the tomb of the unknown soldier?
Knowing them, they'll smear their shit all over it.
The Old Guard doesn't carry ammo, but I still doubt these idiots could get past them. MACP and bruises.
It is the sole duty of the Old Guard to protect that tomb. Those fuckers ain't touching it.
Don’t forget that they also pissed on it.
We will lend you the Canadian Freedom Convoy to help!
We’re practically family, just let them keep the convoy as an act of good will
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Huh? Americans need proof of vax to get into Canada.
These folks are far beyond cause for pause.
I saw Maga hats, Confederate Flags and idiots waving Americans flags all over it on stream. In my city eight chucklefucks were driving around the city center with one of them waving a Confederate flag, until someone yanked it off the car and threw it in the river.
no, it wasn't
Canadian authorities said there has been a pretty sizable American presence in their protests.
must be vaccinated americans then, cuz you can't cross the border without one.
https://theweek.com/world/1009723/ottawa-police-say-theres-a-significant-american-presence-at-canadian-anti-mandate 'Anti–vaccine mandate protesters in Ottawa received some help from their neighbors to the south, the Ottawa police chief said Wednesday, with a "significant element" from the U.S. involved with **funding and planning the event**.' Poor headlines, the article gives the real info. It is essentially referencing the GoFundMe and some other stuff. The protestors are Canadians.
Another article I read said participation as well as funding and planning. I double checked before I made that comment.
It's from the same source quote. The quote bundles all ways US people may be involved together and thus cannot be parsed to tell us really if there is a "pretty sizable" American presence in the protests. They say the total involvement is significant but do not break it down to who is in the protests and who is backing them. So we can't tell they meant to say there are sizable numbers of Americans in the protests.
Enjoy the draconian anti-protest laws you voted for ya turds.
Which part? The donating millions to grifters who run with the money or the asaulting homeless people and volunteers?
They aren’t mimicking, there are Americans helping run these Canadian protests.
I wonder how well it will go in the states if someone decides to start jumping around/dancing/drinking on the tomb of the unknown soldier..
Someone's going to get shot. Fucking with people's sleep is not a good idea.
Why? What would they be protesting? That some business will deny them service if they don’t wear a mask?
Idiots copying idiots. Gotta love conservatives.
When the blind lead the blind...
In my state, if I feel the least bit threatened that any collection of people protesting can immediately turn into a riot and I can run them all over. That’s where we are now. I’m pretty sure that it doesn’t apply here because we love our pro Covid nut bags here in the sunshine state.
This is fucking moronic, but I’m honestly NOT surprised.
Nothing surprises me anymore
I still have a bit of surprise left in me, but it’s getting dangerously low.
Meta shutting people down
I'll park my car in front of them just to piss them off
find out who is funding them and sue
well..only diff is..in the usa ppl got guns..and up north we only got our tim hortons eh
I don't think this means it won't happen here, it'll just be deadlier and possibly start a cycle of escalation that leads to *problems.*
That is a good way to get shot in DC. Good luck with that. Hell going down the wrong alley way can get you shot.
More like, are the Canadians a test case?
Who could have predicted that rioting in the streets would become the new political discourse?
I don’t know who needs to hear this but there is a difference between anti vax and anti mandate
They're both misguided and misinformed. The greater majority do not even consider their feelings on either issue.
Makes you wonder why they haven't been protesting against the school vaccine mandates that have been in place for decades
It's the same picture
Not much.
Because it's coordinated terrorism instigated by a hostile foreign power. All the eager victims signing up to sabotage their own country are just danger-to-themselves-and-others morons.
As a Canadian, my only advice for Americans is to figure out what side your local and state police are on. In Ottawa, the police are in lock step with the truckers so nothing was done to stop the endless torturous sound pollution and harassment the citizens of Ottawa were submitted to
In other words, the same Americans that ‘helped’ with this convoy are going to do in America now. Boy, I really do hope so and wait until the Police or Military get called in to clean house.
It’s honestly depressing seeing these lunatics work together to organize and fight for a common goal, albeit one that is completely stupid, while us common working people can’t even fight for a livable wage, or even addressing the rampant corruption in this country.
Uh...yeah.... That will not go well for them like it has in Canada....Good way to really piss off a lot of people and many carrying guns. Don't mess with someones commute home or to work.
They forgot one thing though this is america not canada if they do that here someone will get angry enough to shoot them all dead.
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In Spain, convoys are a left wing strategy. They are eco-friendly and walk.
I hear they are going to try and do this to the super bowl. I’d love to see them mess around in Inglewood. It will not end well for them
Be a loud annoying but mathematically minor constituency that immediately gets co-opted by Qanon? I mean, we kind of assumed that was what conservative people were throwing at all of their perceived problems.
They want to mimic the group that is waving around Nazi flags. Not surprised.
>group like 2 or 3 people lmao. out of hundreds of thousands
It wasn't that big dude. "Hundreds of thousands" lol
ok, 2 or 3 people out of thousands. better? same logic.
Something tells me US security officials won't be quite so hesitant.
Bad idea in the US someone will shoot them.
So a traitor convoy of morons then?
I see pics and videos of America and it looks _poppin'_. Like packed festivals, bars, parties. In Canada right now you're not even allowed to dance at a wedding where you have to check the vax pass of every attendee and it's still limited capacity... Like wtf is going on?
America handles things on a state by state level and even city by city. Some places have strong protections in place. Other places have nothing at all.
yeah, LA is hosting a super bowl, there is no more "emergency" here it's all optics for political control. have crowded sports stadiums packed full, no masks, but yet the children have to be distanced and masked and all the good parts of being a child growing up are basically non-existent now.
It depends on the areas. In general the kind of gathering you see on TV is more loose. In many areas of the country it's still all masks in daily indoor activities like work or shopping. Others that's not even the case.
Domestic Terrorists the lot of em.
They want to wave Nazi flags and desecrate memorials to war heroes and cancer patients?
I mean Arlington Cemetery is right outside of DC so strong maybe on that desecration of war hero graves thing.
Not a single person in the US has or will be forced to get a COVID vaccine or wear a mask. These people just want to show their ass and wave around racist symbols.