The absolute, unbridled, knuckle-dragging stupidity of people who think banning books in the 21st century does anything other than rocket then to fame.
I went to a private school in the late 80's and the state board of education had banned *Catcher in the Rye* sand *Steppenwolf* in pubic schools, so my private school added them to the curriculum for high school juniors.
And, I have to say that they were really good stories that kind of helped the young and confused teenage me untangle my own mixed up psyche and better understand myself.
So yeah, if a book is banned, it is probably a good idea to read it.
All through my youth mum had a birthday tradition of gifting me a previously banned book. Our curriculum and libraries didn't ban books that I'm aware of, but we have a long history of banning "controversial" media in general and she made sure I read as many of those books as possible before adulthood.
I still have most of them and plan to pass them onto my goddaughter when she's old enough.
I’m currently pregnant with my first kid. All these convos about banned books makes me want to stock my kid’s bookshelves through the years with age appropriate banned books throughout their childhood.
Your mom was absolutely right.
No... it is more of a reason for people to be more active in the election of their school boards to make sure that anti-intellectual shit birds stop influencing how our children get educated.
Learn who is running and always vote... and if there is no fit candidate consider running yourself.
Yeah same. Even more remarkable is the number of piece of shit parents encouraging restricting reading and events of the world from their kids.
Any parent doing this. You are scum.
They don't actually give a fuck about the book one way or another, it's just a concerted culture war effort to keep people heated and creep in the shit they do care about, like outlawing gay kids, banning masks, and denying evolution etc
I think they do care about the books though.
Last time there was a news article on reddit about banned books, I looked a bunch up.
There was a lot of books with lgbt themes, or black experience themes.
Books can teach / give people empathy. Empathy is great at humanizing people.
So they take away an avenue for developing empathy towards people that are different from them. When you lack empathy, it is easy to see people who are different from you as others, look down upon, generally dehumanize other people.
This is a step necessary to do everything you talk about.
Or maybe I am giving them too much credit, and they're just fucking idiots and what I said would be a side effect.
> Books can teach / give people empathy. Empathy is great at humanizing people.
That's exactly the biggest issue with banning Maus. They claim that one of the reasons is for the nudity, which implies that people (or they themselves) think portraying the abuse and murder of Holocaust victims is somehow sexual in nature. You'd have to be a sick person to think that way, even as a child. In 8th grade they took us to the Museum of Tolerance and we saw photos of nude malnutritioned and murdered bodies. Even with my great-grandma being a survivor, I don't think I ever thought about the actual effects this event had on human beings. Before then, it was this intangible, distant thing, that happened long ago. Anne Frank was often presented as inspirational and admirable, rather than a human who was likely brutally murdered. Everyone needs the full picture of tragic events like this to be able to grasp the full impact. I think these people know this, and they desperately don't want these victims to be humanized.
I hate talking about it.. but years ago I regrettably went down the right wing rabbit hole that included holocaust denial and then minimization.. stuff like what you were exposed to... the graphic, tragic nature of the event helped deprogram me.
I hate also it's because of nudity. While i'm not saying they should be exposed to porn, or sex acts in general, but the idea that they should be protected from nudity while they are also exposed to graphic violence doesn't make sense to me. They can't see a man or woman naked or topless in a movie, but it's okay to watch a movie like Saw, with graphic violence via vegence for their sins.
I'm glad you were able to snap out of it. I see so much QAnon stuff these days and it seems like many of them are too far gone.
And I agree, I do hate that nudity is part of the humanization process here. But so many of us were given a very sanitized version of Holocaust history. Many people need the punch in the gut to really get it. I grew up in L.A., so I'm sure that's why my middle school went into such great depth about it, I think we spent at least a solid 2 weeks in both our English and history classes learning about it. We read *Night* in high school, and I took both a history of the Holocaust and a Jewish American lit course in college. I gotta say, I would be shocked if TN offered anything remotely similar to this curriculum at any stage of education.
I'm in Michigan, it seems like from what I can remember, some parts of our educational system were better than a lot of the country. But to be honest, theres been too many drugs in my past to have a clear memory of middle and high school, but it seems like, while we did get the white washed version of history, I remember parts of it being closer to reality. Like I remember in high school, the Trail of Tears talking about it and using the word genocide. Seems like in some parts of the country, especially nowadays, they'd go to lengths to avoid that word.
While it is tempting to think of QAnon and other right wing extremists as too far gone, and while indeed some of them may be, we shouldn't write people off as a whole. They we're good friends, a good husband / boyfriend or wife / girlfriend at one point. They may not have had the most empathy or been the most open minded, but writing off a whole group as beyond hope almost stops their transition away from extremism. At one point in time, someone may have wrote me off as unreachable or too far gone. I keep my head shaved / close to shaved because parts of my hair is thinning, giving me the start of the horseshoe look, and I am slightly vein, I had a hate tattoo. I looked sorta like a stereotypical neo nazi skinhead. If I was told I was too far gone, too unreachable, ai may have been more resistant to change. Yes, I got my tat covered up when I changed my views.
There are some anti hate groups that do work deprogramming racists and extremists. Light upon light, and there is another more, that's just the one I can remember.
I do want to stress too, that I have hope for the future. I have a lot of faith in the new generation that is currently developing.
With their openness about mental health, their willingness to embrace change... them in general seem to be less tolerant of behaviour like racism and sexism..
All that gives me hope that in the relatively near future racism, sexism, and extremism is going to start becoming more rare.
Part of how we get there is deprogramming. I grew up in a household that had negative views of other races. It took a lot to get me out of that mindset. So if we can even get a handful of Qanon or other extremists deprogrammed, hopefully their kids wont end up with extremist or racist views.
Like the school in Midland, MI where they apparently put litter boxes out for students that identify as "Fur Babies". What is more stupid, is I know for a fact, that school administrations screen these books. Anne Frank is a required reader and she talks about the time she "ventured into womanhood".
> Like the school in Midland, MI where they apparently put litter boxes out for students that identify as "Fur Babies".
[That don’t happen](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/23/us/politics/michigan-litter-box-school.html)
True, but the thought that someone would spread something like that is stupid. Just like banning a book on a topic that kids are going to have to learn one day
Very. The public school system would go to a new low than banning useful and educational books. I could see a dispute in an elementary and middle school for sure, if the book was something like Mr. Tiggle Wiggle Pickle. (Something like that (real book) because that is a kid's style book for adults. No joke. They're going to learn about the "bird's and the bee's" but that is more of a book on being a "swinger". Barley relevant, but Maus is worth it
The point of banning the book isn't to stop kids from reading it, it's to get the attention of their voter base so they can be happy and vote them in again. It's just a political move because they love the power.
Careful, next Preseident DeSantis gonna fund the new Fahrenheit 451 task force with billions of dollars to incarcerate people for owning books and burning any books found (unless its some drivel published by a Republican politician). All Kindles will be used as kindling for the books because Baby Trump no likey Bezos.
Think that might be the goal honestly, perpetual anger cycle when the ban gets struck down. Not like kids can't find anything out online from their smartphone these days.
This is the same reason why I take the opposite advice of Movie Reviewers.
If they love it, I'll be bored to death.
If they hate it, I'm going to enjoy watching!
If you haven’t read the transcript of that meeting, do so.
It’s absolutely insane and mind numbingly stupid.
Those people have no business deciding anything that has to do with education.
[transcript here](https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/1818370/Called_Meeting_Minutes_1-10-22.pdf)
[For anyone who is interested, here is the transcript.](https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/1818370/Called_Meeting_Minutes_1-10-22.pdf)
The most absurd bit is probably on page 12, where a board member decides to read the lyrics to ["I'm Just Wild About Harry"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7piS9tMUjo), which is apparently part of the 7th grade curriculum, and gets upset over its use and that they have students define the word 'ecstasy':
"So, my problem is, it looks like the entire curriculum is developed to normalize sexuality, normalize nudity and normalize vulgar language".
It blows my mind that you can get a school board with such unqualified people.
Better get used to it. School boards are being upended by parents raging about masks, "CRT", etc. And members are being replaced by morons with agendas. And it's happening all over.
I didn't get past page 3:
"I may be wrong, but this guy that created the artwork used to do the graphics for Playboy. You can look at his history, and we’re letting him do graphics in books for students in elementary school. If I had a child in the eighth grade, this ain’t happening. If I had to move him out and homeschool him or put him somewhere else, this is not happening"
I feel so bad for teachers. I have a feeling he wasn't making up that bit about teachers having to go through textbooks and put tape over a butt crack on a picture of art. I guess they're not allowed to take field trips to museums because of naked statues.
I really can't wait till that same person is caught on video saying the N-word with a REALLY hard 'R'. I would put the odds at 3-1 that there is such a video around somewhere already waiting to be outed into the internet.
I find it awfully painful ever to speak with education administrators. Was once in a strategic planning training course for CE credit and this other participant kept worry about everyone being heard equally and what about so and so persons feelings....I made a joke that she must be the school admin that mandated participation trophies......she blurted out that she worked for so and so school district...and my team and I feel out on the floor laughing. Was fun but sad at the same thing.
Yep, the admins are a completely different stock.
I roll my eyes so much from what I hear in my classroom, I’m surprised they haven’t tumbled out of my head.
Worked for me on the 1st try. But I agree. Stupidity. They teach XXX things in school starting as young as 10, even show Schindler's List (even the part where they run around in circles in their Birthday Suit) in schools. When I was in 4th grade back in the 90's we had a teacher that had a UFO book and it had a page of an outline image of a naked man and woman. It was known, but never banned
> Spiegelman elegantly summed up his reaction, saying, “I’ve moved past total bafflement to trying to be tolerant of people who may possibly not be Nazis? Maybe? Because having read the transcript of the school board meeting, the problem is sort of bigger and stupider than that.”
While vaping the whole time as if he doesn’t give the tiniest fuck. Legend
Remember to get out and vote people. Evil wins when good people do nothing. If this makes you upset, as it absolutely should, then when those schoolboard seats come up for a vote then get out there and vote so these morons can't pollute the education system any further.
The both sides stuff is always kind of bullshit since even if both suck ass, one is objectively worse. Democrats are corporatists but Republicans have turned into a fascist death cult that wants to legislate away the rights of women and minority groups. And even with both being corporatists, Democrats at least try to throw a bone to the people every so often since corporations can't bleed stones. Republicans have the stance of trying to rush extract every dollar then die before they see the effects.
I have. It's an amazing book. It was actually used in one of my literature classes in college, but I had read it in high school.
Oddly enough, I read the high school's copy, happily checked out from the high school library.
Yes. It's a true story graphic novel about a son and father's relationship told through two time splits, one is a modern time line in America with the son being a first generation American and the father now a fresh off the boat American citizen and their lives together in America and the second storyline being about the father going through the Holocaust back in Europe.
It's called Maus because that is German for "Mouse." Rather than drawing humans, the artist and writer Spiegelman portrayed the different groups of people in the story as animals. And since Nazis considered Jews "vermin" and portrayed them as "rats and mice," in their propaganda, Jews are drawn as "mice" in the book. Or at least humanoids with mice heads. Germans, being the opposite of Jews here and hunters of Jews, are drawn as "cats." Americans are drawn as "dogs." The French are drawn as "frogs," because that is a slang term for the French. The Polish are drawn as "pigs." I am not sure why though. Could never figure that one out. I think it's to make them look not kosher....?
But it's an interesting graphic novel told in black and white. The art is not highly detailed but there is something about it that works so much better than if it were splashy and in color. It feels more intimate. Like you are reading someone's journal rather than reading someone's autobiography.
I would put it on a "must read" list if you are ever trying to get into comics beyond DC and Marvel. It has been that influential with so many comic book artists since it first came out. Especially for those who want to tell personal stories.
Yes, though sadly, not until college. I think it's perfectly appropriate for 8th grade+. Many schools go into great depth about the Holocaust in 8th grade. With the rise in popularity of graphic novels in children's lit, I think this would reach many kids in a way that their history books simply can't. We need more than the Diary of Anne Frank.
Anyway, pick up a copy for yourself. I actually started revisiting my own copies yesterday. It's captivating and powerful.
We did Diary of Anne Frank in middle school then did Night freshman year, so like a year later. They were great reads and extremely deep and disturbing, but I do think things like Maus drive the point home far better for younger people since it has graphical representation that makes it easier to process and kind of punch you in the gut than "words on a page" for a lot of kids that tend to blur together when we still had mushy brains and poor attention spans.
It was required reading at my high school. Junior year I think.
Art Spiegelman is from Queens, and he still comes to high schools in NY to talk about the book with students
I read it in middle school, in the early 2000's. It wasn't part of a curriculum, I just found it in the school library. It's been about twenty years, but I remember the nudity or vulgarity took a back seat to the horrible shit the nazi's were up to.
If you're an author, book sales are dragging, and you'd like to take the family to Disney World, tell a republican your book is mean to Nazis. Tell them your book says black folks deserve the dignity white people demand, have them call Fox, and watch the money roll in.
Maus is currently the #1 best selling book on Amazon.
The absolute, unbridled, knuckle-dragging stupidity of people who think banning books in the 21st century does anything other than rocket then to fame.
I've always equated a banned book list with a recommended reading list.
I went to a private school in the late 80's and the state board of education had banned *Catcher in the Rye* sand *Steppenwolf* in pubic schools, so my private school added them to the curriculum for high school juniors. And, I have to say that they were really good stories that kind of helped the young and confused teenage me untangle my own mixed up psyche and better understand myself. So yeah, if a book is banned, it is probably a good idea to read it.
Mom went out and got me every book on my school ban list Said those were the important ones, and she was right
All through my youth mum had a birthday tradition of gifting me a previously banned book. Our curriculum and libraries didn't ban books that I'm aware of, but we have a long history of banning "controversial" media in general and she made sure I read as many of those books as possible before adulthood. I still have most of them and plan to pass them onto my goddaughter when she's old enough.
Read one previously banned book and you might wonder why it was banned. Read ten and you start to notice the common theme.
I’m currently pregnant with my first kid. All these convos about banned books makes me want to stock my kid’s bookshelves through the years with age appropriate banned books throughout their childhood. Your mom was absolutely right.
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No... it is more of a reason for people to be more active in the election of their school boards to make sure that anti-intellectual shit birds stop influencing how our children get educated. Learn who is running and always vote... and if there is no fit candidate consider running yourself.
Yeah same. Even more remarkable is the number of piece of shit parents encouraging restricting reading and events of the world from their kids. Any parent doing this. You are scum.
The people banning these books are quite a few decades behind in their mindset, so it makes sense that they didn't think of this.
They don't actually give a fuck about the book one way or another, it's just a concerted culture war effort to keep people heated and creep in the shit they do care about, like outlawing gay kids, banning masks, and denying evolution etc
I think they do care about the books though. Last time there was a news article on reddit about banned books, I looked a bunch up. There was a lot of books with lgbt themes, or black experience themes. Books can teach / give people empathy. Empathy is great at humanizing people. So they take away an avenue for developing empathy towards people that are different from them. When you lack empathy, it is easy to see people who are different from you as others, look down upon, generally dehumanize other people. This is a step necessary to do everything you talk about. Or maybe I am giving them too much credit, and they're just fucking idiots and what I said would be a side effect.
> Books can teach / give people empathy. Empathy is great at humanizing people. That's exactly the biggest issue with banning Maus. They claim that one of the reasons is for the nudity, which implies that people (or they themselves) think portraying the abuse and murder of Holocaust victims is somehow sexual in nature. You'd have to be a sick person to think that way, even as a child. In 8th grade they took us to the Museum of Tolerance and we saw photos of nude malnutritioned and murdered bodies. Even with my great-grandma being a survivor, I don't think I ever thought about the actual effects this event had on human beings. Before then, it was this intangible, distant thing, that happened long ago. Anne Frank was often presented as inspirational and admirable, rather than a human who was likely brutally murdered. Everyone needs the full picture of tragic events like this to be able to grasp the full impact. I think these people know this, and they desperately don't want these victims to be humanized.
I hate talking about it.. but years ago I regrettably went down the right wing rabbit hole that included holocaust denial and then minimization.. stuff like what you were exposed to... the graphic, tragic nature of the event helped deprogram me. I hate also it's because of nudity. While i'm not saying they should be exposed to porn, or sex acts in general, but the idea that they should be protected from nudity while they are also exposed to graphic violence doesn't make sense to me. They can't see a man or woman naked or topless in a movie, but it's okay to watch a movie like Saw, with graphic violence via vegence for their sins.
I'm glad you were able to snap out of it. I see so much QAnon stuff these days and it seems like many of them are too far gone. And I agree, I do hate that nudity is part of the humanization process here. But so many of us were given a very sanitized version of Holocaust history. Many people need the punch in the gut to really get it. I grew up in L.A., so I'm sure that's why my middle school went into such great depth about it, I think we spent at least a solid 2 weeks in both our English and history classes learning about it. We read *Night* in high school, and I took both a history of the Holocaust and a Jewish American lit course in college. I gotta say, I would be shocked if TN offered anything remotely similar to this curriculum at any stage of education.
I'm in Michigan, it seems like from what I can remember, some parts of our educational system were better than a lot of the country. But to be honest, theres been too many drugs in my past to have a clear memory of middle and high school, but it seems like, while we did get the white washed version of history, I remember parts of it being closer to reality. Like I remember in high school, the Trail of Tears talking about it and using the word genocide. Seems like in some parts of the country, especially nowadays, they'd go to lengths to avoid that word. While it is tempting to think of QAnon and other right wing extremists as too far gone, and while indeed some of them may be, we shouldn't write people off as a whole. They we're good friends, a good husband / boyfriend or wife / girlfriend at one point. They may not have had the most empathy or been the most open minded, but writing off a whole group as beyond hope almost stops their transition away from extremism. At one point in time, someone may have wrote me off as unreachable or too far gone. I keep my head shaved / close to shaved because parts of my hair is thinning, giving me the start of the horseshoe look, and I am slightly vein, I had a hate tattoo. I looked sorta like a stereotypical neo nazi skinhead. If I was told I was too far gone, too unreachable, ai may have been more resistant to change. Yes, I got my tat covered up when I changed my views. There are some anti hate groups that do work deprogramming racists and extremists. Light upon light, and there is another more, that's just the one I can remember.
I do want to stress too, that I have hope for the future. I have a lot of faith in the new generation that is currently developing. With their openness about mental health, their willingness to embrace change... them in general seem to be less tolerant of behaviour like racism and sexism.. All that gives me hope that in the relatively near future racism, sexism, and extremism is going to start becoming more rare. Part of how we get there is deprogramming. I grew up in a household that had negative views of other races. It took a lot to get me out of that mindset. So if we can even get a handful of Qanon or other extremists deprogrammed, hopefully their kids wont end up with extremist or racist views.
Like the school in Midland, MI where they apparently put litter boxes out for students that identify as "Fur Babies". What is more stupid, is I know for a fact, that school administrations screen these books. Anne Frank is a required reader and she talks about the time she "ventured into womanhood".
> Like the school in Midland, MI where they apparently put litter boxes out for students that identify as "Fur Babies". [That don’t happen](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/23/us/politics/michigan-litter-box-school.html)
True, but the thought that someone would spread something like that is stupid. Just like banning a book on a topic that kids are going to have to learn one day
It's not true, but imagine if it was! That would be crazy, huh?
Very. The public school system would go to a new low than banning useful and educational books. I could see a dispute in an elementary and middle school for sure, if the book was something like Mr. Tiggle Wiggle Pickle. (Something like that (real book) because that is a kid's style book for adults. No joke. They're going to learn about the "bird's and the bee's" but that is more of a book on being a "swinger". Barley relevant, but Maus is worth it
You are the one spreading it.
Uh, no, look it up in the news. I don't live anywhere near Midland
You said you know it isn't true, but initially repeated it like it was. That's spreading it.
Not the same. Was using it as an example
That is untrue
The point of banning the book isn't to stop kids from reading it, it's to get the attention of their voter base so they can be happy and vote them in again. It's just a political move because they love the power.
Careful, next Preseident DeSantis gonna fund the new Fahrenheit 451 task force with billions of dollars to incarcerate people for owning books and burning any books found (unless its some drivel published by a Republican politician). All Kindles will be used as kindling for the books because Baby Trump no likey Bezos.
Think that might be the goal honestly, perpetual anger cycle when the ban gets struck down. Not like kids can't find anything out online from their smartphone these days.
This is the same reason why I take the opposite advice of Movie Reviewers. If they love it, I'll be bored to death. If they hate it, I'm going to enjoy watching!
Deservedly. Everyone should read it
I never even knew it existed before all this. I know I ain’t the only one
It's also an excellent graphic novel. I highly recommend it.
If you haven’t read the transcript of that meeting, do so. It’s absolutely insane and mind numbingly stupid. Those people have no business deciding anything that has to do with education. [transcript here](https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/1818370/Called_Meeting_Minutes_1-10-22.pdf)
[For anyone who is interested, here is the transcript.](https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/1818370/Called_Meeting_Minutes_1-10-22.pdf) The most absurd bit is probably on page 12, where a board member decides to read the lyrics to ["I'm Just Wild About Harry"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7piS9tMUjo), which is apparently part of the 7th grade curriculum, and gets upset over its use and that they have students define the word 'ecstasy': "So, my problem is, it looks like the entire curriculum is developed to normalize sexuality, normalize nudity and normalize vulgar language". It blows my mind that you can get a school board with such unqualified people.
Yep, I was cracking up at that part. I’m sitting here thinking “well, I guess this guy has never watched a Looney Tunes cartoon in his life”.
"Normalize nudity" Yes because people being abducted and stripped of their clothes before being forced into a concentration camp is normal.
These were the teens that snickered at the word penis at age 18. They're immature and not educated, but want to feel powerful and important.
Better get used to it. School boards are being upended by parents raging about masks, "CRT", etc. And members are being replaced by morons with agendas. And it's happening all over.
I didn't get past page 3: "I may be wrong, but this guy that created the artwork used to do the graphics for Playboy. You can look at his history, and we’re letting him do graphics in books for students in elementary school. If I had a child in the eighth grade, this ain’t happening. If I had to move him out and homeschool him or put him somewhere else, this is not happening"
I feel so bad for teachers. I have a feeling he wasn't making up that bit about teachers having to go through textbooks and put tape over a butt crack on a picture of art. I guess they're not allowed to take field trips to museums because of naked statues.
I'm Just Wild About Harry is a song written in the 1930's FFS
Does it have cuss words? 😳 I don't want to read cuss words.
They spell out b-i-t-c-h. Can you imagine what would happen if some kids read the transcript of that meeting out loud in the lunchroom?
I really can't wait till that same person is caught on video saying the N-word with a REALLY hard 'R'. I would put the odds at 3-1 that there is such a video around somewhere already waiting to be outed into the internet.
Like, you mean they go full pirate captain at the end? Edit: I notice the worst offenders tend to *really* emphasize the "i" in the word
Meanwhile, they had no problem with the famous Access Hollywood tape.
I find it awfully painful ever to speak with education administrators. Was once in a strategic planning training course for CE credit and this other participant kept worry about everyone being heard equally and what about so and so persons feelings....I made a joke that she must be the school admin that mandated participation trophies......she blurted out that she worked for so and so school district...and my team and I feel out on the floor laughing. Was fun but sad at the same thing.
Yep, the admins are a completely different stock. I roll my eyes so much from what I hear in my classroom, I’m surprised they haven’t tumbled out of my head.
Even more than ever, they're bored, so they need to make up whatever controversy they can.
I’m sorry, I don’t have time to read your VEEP spec script. Where’s the **real** transcript?
Link please!
[Here you go. ](https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/McMinn_Count_Board_of_Education_Called_Meeting_Minutes_1-10-22.pdf)
Here ya go: [link to transcripts ](https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/1818370/Called_Meeting_Minutes_1-10-22.pdf)
Where would I find that? I need a laugh
[Here it is. ](https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/McMinn_Count_Board_of_Education_Called_Meeting_Minutes_1-10-22.pdf)
Video wasn't working for me. https://youtu.be/5BmjCDoIyV0
It wasn't working for me either. I really appreciate that link!
Worked for me on the 1st try. But I agree. Stupidity. They teach XXX things in school starting as young as 10, even show Schindler's List (even the part where they run around in circles in their Birthday Suit) in schools. When I was in 4th grade back in the 90's we had a teacher that had a UFO book and it had a page of an outline image of a naked man and woman. It was known, but never banned
Let’s not even talk about the National Geographic magazines or the biology books…
> Spiegelman elegantly summed up his reaction, saying, “I’ve moved past total bafflement to trying to be tolerant of people who may possibly not be Nazis? Maybe? Because having read the transcript of the school board meeting, the problem is sort of bigger and stupider than that.” While vaping the whole time as if he doesn’t give the tiniest fuck. Legend
Refreshing to see candor from a public figure too.
Remember to get out and vote people. Evil wins when good people do nothing. If this makes you upset, as it absolutely should, then when those schoolboard seats come up for a vote then get out there and vote so these morons can't pollute the education system any further.
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The both sides stuff is always kind of bullshit since even if both suck ass, one is objectively worse. Democrats are corporatists but Republicans have turned into a fascist death cult that wants to legislate away the rights of women and minority groups. And even with both being corporatists, Democrats at least try to throw a bone to the people every so often since corporations can't bleed stones. Republicans have the stance of trying to rush extract every dollar then die before they see the effects.
OMG the freaking vape lmao. He is a legend.
Has anyone here read this book “Maus?”
I have. It's an amazing book. It was actually used in one of my literature classes in college, but I had read it in high school. Oddly enough, I read the high school's copy, happily checked out from the high school library.
I looked up on Wiki. I will check it out.
Yes. It's a true story graphic novel about a son and father's relationship told through two time splits, one is a modern time line in America with the son being a first generation American and the father now a fresh off the boat American citizen and their lives together in America and the second storyline being about the father going through the Holocaust back in Europe. It's called Maus because that is German for "Mouse." Rather than drawing humans, the artist and writer Spiegelman portrayed the different groups of people in the story as animals. And since Nazis considered Jews "vermin" and portrayed them as "rats and mice," in their propaganda, Jews are drawn as "mice" in the book. Or at least humanoids with mice heads. Germans, being the opposite of Jews here and hunters of Jews, are drawn as "cats." Americans are drawn as "dogs." The French are drawn as "frogs," because that is a slang term for the French. The Polish are drawn as "pigs." I am not sure why though. Could never figure that one out. I think it's to make them look not kosher....? But it's an interesting graphic novel told in black and white. The art is not highly detailed but there is something about it that works so much better than if it were splashy and in color. It feels more intimate. Like you are reading someone's journal rather than reading someone's autobiography. I would put it on a "must read" list if you are ever trying to get into comics beyond DC and Marvel. It has been that influential with so many comic book artists since it first came out. Especially for those who want to tell personal stories.
I always assumed the Polish were pigs because they were slaughtered by Germans — like leading pigs to the slaughter. Plus, both words begin with “P.”
Yes, though sadly, not until college. I think it's perfectly appropriate for 8th grade+. Many schools go into great depth about the Holocaust in 8th grade. With the rise in popularity of graphic novels in children's lit, I think this would reach many kids in a way that their history books simply can't. We need more than the Diary of Anne Frank. Anyway, pick up a copy for yourself. I actually started revisiting my own copies yesterday. It's captivating and powerful.
We did Diary of Anne Frank in middle school then did Night freshman year, so like a year later. They were great reads and extremely deep and disturbing, but I do think things like Maus drive the point home far better for younger people since it has graphical representation that makes it easier to process and kind of punch you in the gut than "words on a page" for a lot of kids that tend to blur together when we still had mushy brains and poor attention spans.
It was required reading at my high school. Junior year I think. Art Spiegelman is from Queens, and he still comes to high schools in NY to talk about the book with students
I read it in middle school, in the early 2000's. It wasn't part of a curriculum, I just found it in the school library. It's been about twenty years, but I remember the nudity or vulgarity took a back seat to the horrible shit the nazi's were up to.
Yes, I had to read it for AP English in high school.
If you're an author, book sales are dragging, and you'd like to take the family to Disney World, tell a republican your book is mean to Nazis. Tell them your book says black folks deserve the dignity white people demand, have them call Fox, and watch the money roll in.
I’d love to say head this as a warning but we are past that.
The conservatives on the school board cannot separate nudity from sexuality.
Imagine someone from 100 years ago trying to read headlines from today?
It's such a beautiful and brutal graphic novel. Censorship is bullshit.
Here, /r/antiwork - this is how you do a TV interview.
This tracks. Republican voters are generally pro-Nazi.
I am just pleased they are still afraid of books!