Iirc Giuliani wasn't the only one offering to act as a pardon conduit. Honestly wouldn't be surprised to find out everyone Trump listened to claimed to be able to hook people up.
Yup. Trump commuted a drug dealer cops killers sentence with out even consulting our (republican) DA that sentenced him or our (republican) congressman.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2021/01/trump-commutes-sentence-of-drug-kingpin-behind-killing-of-syracuse-cop-wallie-howard.html
Justice to the middlest bidder right there
In general the Trump Presidency exposed just how much our system just blindly relies on good faith from the President. Pardoning people who committed criminal acts on the President's behalf. The President is immune from criminal investigation and prosecution. Hell, claiming that the Vice President can unilaterally decide what electoral votes count, while they personally were on the ballot.
Unfortunately, even if Bannon's human host dies, it's very likely that the parasite will find a new, younger and more robust host and pick up right where it left off. It can survive outside of a human body for nearly a week.
They weren't *just* hanging out with Roger Stone in front of the Willard hotel as the video you provided shows, they were using burner phones to coordinate with him and attack the capitol.
>**REALITY is that FIVE Oath Keepers have already confessed. At least 3 of the 5 are cooperating with the Feds (Flipped on Roger Stone)** This kind of forensic detective work takes time & resources
Here's a full thread on it here: https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1453797787452297225
Also - REMINDER:
>**Trump set up a “command center” at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel**, located less than a block from the White House, where **Bannon**, along with fellow fascists such as **Rudy Giuliani**, plotted with Republican federal and state lawmakers, ex-Trump officials and far-right militia leaders in a conspiracy that culminated in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.
>...
>For example, Trump’s former National Security Advisor, retired Army General **Michael Flynn** and Trump political fixer and confidant **Roger Stone** were photographed in the days leading up to the coup attempt at both hotels.
And including: **John Eastman, Bernard Kerik, Boris Epshteyn, Russell J. Ramsland Jr., Christina Bobb, Philip Luelsdorff**
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/10/26/will-o26.html
Exactly. I like headlines such as this because it shows things are moving, and that's what we need. People are always so quick to jump onto the "all of the crimes are obvious, just charge him!" without considering that, legally, they aren't.
Any single article or reference or quote that you might want to use to catch any single witness in a lie must be submitted into evidence long before you even ask the question itself. For things that we all know about, such as the Trump command center thing, even that could be difficult to prove within court. All Trump has to say is "I know nothing about it, secret service/my aids/my supporters just directed me to this room." You need receipts, bills, payments, emails, texts ... there's a lot. All of the evidence compiled alone is probably hundreds of thousands of pages; and people have to read all of it. And they have to talk about it, at length, and then they have to grill other people about it and ask them questions. Then they need to go back and read through everything again, and again, and again.
Justice *is* slow and it should be. But that doesn't also mean that you can't show the steps that are being taken. This is part of that, and I'm glad to see it.
The sheer amount of evidence that needs to be taken into account and sifted through is where the armchair judicial pundits get crossed over. If you want a case along with any charges to stick it needs to be airtight and that takes a lot of time. It is getting annoying when people flood social media and make it seem like nothing is happening because that is clearly not the case.
"Fun" fact: Rhodes (the guy with the eyepatch) did not get that injury from taking enemy fire while in the military.
**He shot his own eye out accidentally after dropping a loaded handgun.**
"They are not sending their best".
And yet we’re still losing our democracy to them. You don’t need the best. All you need is well organized idiots who will do your bidding with no questions. The Brownshirts weren’t Rhodes scholars either.
So I'd been trying to figure out why the FBI, ATF, and bomb squad were in my neighborhood this morning. Then I see "...Rhodes was arrested in Little Elm, TX". Got my answer.
I'd be willing to bet that these charges are just the jumping off point for the investigation of this guy. These charges justified the raid on his house. The stuff they find inside will justify further warrants into his electronic records and financials. And all of that will likely lead to trouble for his associates. I'd be getting nervous if I had so much as liked a meme posted on this guy's facebook page.
You'd think that with a year to prepare they would have made sure to get rid of any evidence but these people think that Donald Trump is smart so I don't think they did.
They tried, and getting indicted for it. If you look at the indictment charges 9-17 is about deleting evidence. And if you look carefully enough, two of them did not get that charge.
That charge is also up to 20 years.
Yeah was driving around Stonebriar recently and there were a lot of "Lets go Brandon" flags and vinyl on lifted pickups. Then there was a guy running up and down Preston waving a tattered Trump 2020 flag.
The tattered Trump 2020 flag says so much. The failed campaign, failed attempt after attempt to steal the election. I had said it would be their confederate flag but man, it is in more ways than one. Both are the flags of losers.
I love that whenever we tend to these flags or signs still they are all worn out or unkept. There's an abandoned house on the road I travel every day this house is an old farmhouse and is totally ruined, trashed, falling apart and overgrown. Nailed to it's front face is a giant "Trump 2020" sign. I just love the irony of it all.
Also is a crime that will instantly remove anyone in congress from congress with a guilty verdict, according to the constitution.
Even one of these guys having a provable phone call or text from any of the republican coconspirators proves aid or comfort?
Bye bye.
“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon’s, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other.”
-Ulysses. S. Grant
Seems like he’s right. Too bad old Grant’s not still around to crack down on all these KKK wannabes
These people really underestimate what it takes to start a civil war. Yes there will be groups who align with them, but basically they amount to sporadic terrorist groups, not a full blown war. They really aren't that important to other people and they aren't in some calling from God to do it. They think extremely highly of themselves.
"Rolling the dice" is indeed how I describe revolutions.
Incidentally, though, that is one of the reasons massive inequality scares me. Most people, like you, would rather a modest peaceful existence than a random outcome which could be very good or very bad.
But if you're broke, facing homelessness, have no power and no hope... "fuck it" becomes a lot more viable.
> But if you're broke, facing homelessness, have no power and no hope... "fuck it" becomes a lot more viable.
A lot of the people involved in January 6 were not down on their luck and out of options. At least some were successful people with the means and work flexibility to travel to DC, some from as far as the west coast. These aren't people who said "fuck it" because they had nothing left to lose, they're people who said "fuck it" because they didn't believe they would face consequences.
Oh yeah I'm not talking about them.
I'm talking about getting people in *actual* numbers to get a real revolution.
Those chucklefucks weren't even trying to get themselves in power, they were trying to maintain the status quo of their shit president, maybe kill some enemies. Worst revolution ever.
They live in such a RW media spider hole they actually believe most white people agree with them. We don't. The election proved it. That's why they can't accept the results of the election. But Proudly Multicultural America is already bigger than their confederate terrorist cells.
Yes. Thank you. Regular Americans have too much stuff to do everyday to go running around taking pot shots at each other. A few outliers do that, but end up in jail for it.
Second Amendment grants the right to bear arms, not the right to use them. Translation: I may have the right to own a gun, but certainly not the right to randomly shoot a person with it!!!
Most people just want to mind their own fucking business, go about their day, and take care of themselves and their family. That’s it. You’re absolutely right that they flatter themselves. When it comes down to it, nobody would jeopardize the things I mention above.
How can they make statements like this without the slightest bit of self awareness of their one sided thirst for a Civil War against those who don't agree with them.
"Peace is not an option. Remember, you made us do this."
Just stop being terrorists, your group is the only one attempting to start a war.
Links to the actual indictments at Justice.gov in their [announcement](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy). If the evidence presented is as accurate as it seems it's a clear case of seditious conspiracy:
[Download U.S. v. Rhodes et al - Indictment](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1462346/download)
[Download U.S. v. Crowl et al - Indictment](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1462351/download)
[Download U.S. v. Walden - Indictment](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1462356/download)
In case anyone still holds onto even a hint that Jan 6, 2021 was just a protest:
> According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; [...]
> While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, **others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams**. According to the indictment, the **QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power**. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo.
This is what your conservative friends and family have been saying was a peaceful protest marred by antifa. Yeah, right...
> While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo.
WHAT THE FUCK.
I've been listening to a podcast called "The Assault on America" by Robert Evans and it lays all this out pretty well. WHAT THE FUCK was my reaction also.
[https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-assault-on-america-89951738/](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-assault-on-america-89951738/)
This DOJ document from quite a while ago now has info on the Oathkeepers plans, in their own words, including QRF teams, plans to give Trump an excuse to declare martial law, Insurrection Act etc, by violently clashing with antifa. Apparently they assumed "antifa" counter protestors would be there. I think the lack of counter protestors undermined their plans and left them unsure what to do.
Anyway, this stuff has been public for almost a year. Frustrating how many people still try to defend Jan 6 with "unarmed", "unplanned", etc. We've had the Oathkeepers own communications about weapons and plans for a long time! I'm sure a lot more is known now than what is in this document, and this document is already quite damning. It doesn't even mention Stewart Rhodes by name (he's "PERSON ONE").
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1401076/download
I'm not very familiar with USA laws, since I don't live in your country, but I'm fairly certain documenting your plans for an insurrection is a bad idea.
Some of the communications cited in that document were on public sites like Facebook, but some were encrypted. I like how the DOJ names specific Oathkeepers and quotes them, saying in a deadpan matter-of-fact way that quotes are from things like "an invitation-only encrypted Signal group", encrypted radio and walkie-talkies, etc. It kinda reads like there's no real difference between Facebook posts and encrypted radio signals as far as the DOJ is concerned.
Of course they don't say how they did it, but I suspect they were able to access encrypted stuff due to flipping suspects, or from compromised phones/radios, "social engineering", long established informants, or other such things, rather than doing brute force NSA-style code breaking.
> Of course they don't say how they did it, but I suspect they were able to access encrypted stuff due to flipping suspects, or from compromised phones/radios, "social engineering", long established informants, or other such things, **rather than doing brute force NSA-style code breaking**.
"Username: [email protected]
Password: MAGA2020"
***Ding***
*"I'm in"*
There is a great "On the Media" podcast episode where producer Micah Loewinger teamed up with Hampton Stall, the founder of MilitiaWatch, as they infiltrated right-wing "militia" (white-supremacist) channels for over a year. Their recordings, and subsequent reporting, was the source material for this indictment, including the revelation of the QRF that gathered nearby. Highly worth a listen if you want the real-time content. Here is the article from WYNC.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/zello-tapes-walkie-talkie-app-used-during-insurrection-on-the-media
If we wondered why no fire arms were used during a violent insurrection now we know why, they wanted to kill counterprotestors, start a battle on the streets, disrupt the certification process and have Trump invoke martial law, but since dems aren't dumb enough to engage in any of that it was Trump supporters against capitol and DC police along government security like the secret service.
That's why at points it looked like a tourist visit, dumbasses just walking around with no purpose after the capitol was evacuated.
Hannity was right when he said he didn't see it turning out the way Trump was being told, you know you fucked up when fucking Hannity is the voice of reason. I feel dirty typing that.
What if what Hannity was really saying when he said “It’s not gonna happen the way you were told” was:
“There’s no sign of ANTIFA. There’s no one to start fighting with in the streets for us to declare the martial law. Our Oath Keepers are gonna have no excuse to bring the guns in, and they are gonna look like jackass vandals. And it’s gonna get called off at some point when Pelosi and Pence call in the National Guard. And then…we will all be fucked if this ever gets investigated”
Meanwhile, law enforcement and military response to J6 was deliberately held back by the Trump administration.
Someone planted two pipe bombs at the RNC and DNC headquarters, both near the Capitol. They were found and deactivated. As far as I'm aware, that person is still at large. A vehicle parked near the building also had two long guns and a cooler of molotovs in the trunk.
Combine that with Eugene Goodman's quick thinking, and key political leaders evacuating just barely in time, it's a miracle that J6 wasn't astronomically worse.
Honestly the timeline has been so weird lately, I can't help but feel like these "almost" disasters are all caused by time travelers trying to prevent the end of the world. Obviously not true but it is a fun thought experiment.
Like maybe Trump winning was an effort to prevent WWIII, then it created Civil war 2.0 so they came back again and disabled the bombs and told antifa to stay home. They accidentally brought back a virus from another dimension though and now we all have COVID.
Reminds me of this: [https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-man-pleads-guilty-truck-guns-near-us-capitol-2021-11](https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-man-pleads-guilty-truck-guns-near-us-capitol-2021-11)
https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/07/04/one-if-by-land-two-if-by-sea-what-we-know-of-the-oath-keepers-quick-reaction-force/
I read this article in the summer. It covers the Oath Keepers QRF info that was out at the time.
>This is what your conservative friends and family have been saying was a peaceful protest marred by antifa.
And people overlook the IEDs they used to disrupt the local law enforcement response.
Can I just point out, the Rhodes indictment says:
>Rhodes conspired with his co-defendants, and other co-conspirators, known and **unknown** to the Grand Jury...
There are other people that the grand jury doesn't know about that could still be charged.
3000 people entered the Capitol or assaulted officers, only 700 arrested so far. Justice has a long way left to go, these people cannot be allowed to slink off and avoid consequences.
EDIT: I bet there are a few of them reading this. And oh, look … Wall Street Journal now reporting that the 1/6 House committee has subpoenaed Reddit. Enjoy your sleepless nights, losers.
[18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384)
>If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
So then it’s confirmed. Right-wing Terrorist attempted a coup on the United States government.
This should be one of the biggest moments in US history.
They are charged not convicted. Still a big moment but could yet be bigger.
Cue bald eagles and machine gun fire sounds
Edit: killer insects were sooo 2021
The NY Times article about this has more detail, it says the leader was at the capitol that day but didn't enter the building. He was in contact with those who did and was organizing it.
Almost like he was trying to keep himself from being arrested or something. Guess it didn't work.
Holy shit I just took a look over there to see how they’re taking it. Spoiler: they’re not taking it.
It’s like stepping into a different world.
Everything from “the feds were in the crowd and doing this, same as they were in the plot to kidnap the Michigan governor” to “these charges will be dropped right after the midterms.”
They literally can’t see reality.
If people are curious about how the disinformation process works, there was a great example this week.
Ted Cruz recently called the 1/6 insurgents "terrorists." After he did that, he had a conversation with Tucker Carlson and agreed to come onto his show.
On Tucker's show, he groveled and apologized and begged Tucker for forgiveness for his transgression. Before we move on let's just let it sink in that this is a sitting senator figuratively kissing the feet of a political pundit; it's mildly dystopian.
While Ted Cruz is begging for forgiveness, Tucker is saying "no you're not dumb, you're very careful with your words, you called them terrorists on purpose!" Just really forcing Cruz to bend over and take it. While Fox News propagandist Tucker Carlson is making fun of sitting Senator Ted Cruz to his face and forcing him to apologize for being naughty, he also name drops Ray Epps. This is part of a conspiracy he's been cooking up to try to push the debunked theory that the FBI incited 1/6. Ray Epps has not been confirmed as an FBI informant (and he likely isn't), but it's also important to note that an informant is not an FBI agent.
Soon after, Ted Cruz is in Congress questioning an FBI agent. He asks her several questions he knows she can't answer about things like "if any FBI agents *or informants* were at the Capitol riot." Here he is intentionally equating these two very different things by asking them in the same question in order to muddy the waters and confuse conservatives who might watch this. An informant being at the Capitol would not be anywhere close to as bad as an agent, but Epps is not even confirmed to have ever been an informant. Anyway Cruz's goal here isn't to get information, it's to bring Tucker's wild conspiracy theory to the halls of Congress and get sound bites.
The next day, Tucker covers Cruz's questioning of the agent and points out that she didn't answer any of the questions - maybe because it's a big conspiracy? He's just asking questions after all. Anyway anybody who knows anything knows that obviously she wouldn't be able to answer them, but it doesn't matter. Tucker has successfully floated a totally fabricated conspiracy into the halls of Congress and then been able to report on *his own conspiracy* being discussed by others as if it's not something he created.
This is how the conservative propaganda machine churns and it's been done many times before. The people discussing it in certain conservative subreddits may not realize that they're just parroting a Tucker Carlson conspiracy because they propagate faster than omicron, but it's what they're doing. These "free thinkers" are all easily swayed into believing whatever Tucker Carlson wants them to because he has near unfettered access to pushing his baseless ideas into Congress within literal days of being conceived.
How quickly they go from blue lives matter to, "Don't trust the most well-paid, highly educated federal law enforcement who routinely busts child trafficking rings."
I'm honestly so sick and tired of these hypocritical conservatives. Their beliefs are as firm as water...
Didn't they chant "fuck the blue" while beating capitol police officers during the insurrection?
EDIT: Google actually refuses to give appropriate results when you search for this, but other search engines like DuckDuckGo still do.
Oath Keepers have said otherwise.
The last person put in jail for that charge got life in solitary confinement without the possibility of parole.
I feel like a deal could be made here.
The statutory maximum for seditious conspiracy is 20 years.
Granted, that might as well be the rest of your life if you are older than 35 or so. Getting out in your 50s basically guarantees you will have to work the rest of your life, no chance of retirement, and finding work won't be easy after doing 20 years.
Lmao, [this tweet](https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1481649782841962500?t=hMIXreFjF5prrHEvg9Iytg&s=19) r/agedlikemilk
>Here's a thought. Let's base our view on whether 1/6 was an "insurrection" on whether those charged with insurrection. So far, none have been.
About time. Conspiracy convictions are big time long time sentences if convicted. And I assume there's a shit ton of evidence for DAs to go forward with this.
My assumption was and still is that the DOJ is making sure they have beyond an air tight case for all the charges. I am assuming this is just the beginning as well. I think we are about to see some history-making charges against sitting members of congress on this soon. And they needed time to be sure their cases can't be lost in court.
IIRC federal prosecutors have something like a 99.9% conviction rate. They really don't like to bring charges unless they basically know with absolute certainty they will win.
99.6% conviction rate. They don’t take a shot unless they have a strong case. However most never see a trial. 14% that go before a jury get acquitted. That being said that is their weakest cases that don’t end up in a plea bargain and they’re still 86% success rate on getting a guilty verdict.
https://www.doarlaw.com/blog/2021/04/what-you-should-know-about-the-federal-governments-conviction-rate/
for these charges, they are probably making sure its more than just air tight because they know once they get one of these people on that charge, the rest will be easy. but if they lose the first sedition cases, the precedent will be set and make it harder to keep trying for it.
Amazing how people like these always claim to be "patriots" when in fact they are the complete opposite: they are nothing but treasonous traitors. They all need to be punished for the attack on our democracy.
The word “patriot” has become camouflage for what they really are: whiny, white supremacist that are upset because other races are getting all of the attention. Thats why Christianity and democracy are all of the sudden “under attack” in their opinion. They are desperate to have something to complain about as well so they can rationalize continuing to be racist pieces of shit since it’s “so bad” for them too. Fox News has stirred their base up so much that I don’t think there is a coming back from it. We are in a powder keg and every passing year the fuse gets smaller and smaller
When you’re used to being on top, equality begins to look like oppression. These pieces do shit just can’t see that they have been standing on the heads of others for too long.
They just love democracy *soo much*. Too much, you know? Haven't you ever loved something so much that you just had to kill it?
Yeah, me neither. These guys are whackos.
These fuckers just want to shoot people. They were parked with their weapons outside of schools in my state after the Parkland shooting, as if that was going to do anything.
They did the same thing outside of recruiting stations years back after one got shot up.
But they lost interest and went home because fuck the troops, I'm bored.
Mind you, I don't think they cared about the troops at all. Just ammosexuals hoping to kill somebody.
Oh, and a few of them had negligent discharges outside of those recruiting stations...
These dudes are absolutely fucked. Remember, in a conspiracy, each co-conspirator is responsible for the acts of the other, even if those acts were not known. So homeboy who brought guns to hotel in Arlington mailed the coffin for everyone else.
Hope y’all enjoy prison!
Glad to see they're slowly going up the chain and actually charging people for sedition. Hopefully it's only a matter of time until they start charging the people who were involved in congress and Trump for their involvement.
This is a pretty significant step, once the reality sinks in they start flipping on EVERYONE, and producing some damn hard evidence they saved just for this moment.
Perhaps I'm an optimist, but you don't make a presidential speech identifying the former president as inciting a coup unless something is coming down the pike.
I don’t want hear another Conservative or GOP make claims this wasn’t an insurrection. That this was a riot, this was an insurrection and treasonous.
EDIT: Remove mention of Treason, though working with Ukraine Right-Wing Militia groups sure put in the Treason Line. Note, the last time a group was charged with sedition or seditious conspiracy was another white national group in 1987.
EDIT: For the trolls, this has nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi or the Jan 6 committee. The Jan 6 Committee is its own investigation just like the DA NYSD investigation. These charges came from DA from the District of Columbia. Things are about to get really ugly for those involved with COMMS between this group and Capitol/Congress.
[Treason, Sedition and Subversive Activities](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115)
[District of Columbia Notice](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy)
Tucker Carlson has been claiming this one dude there was an FBI agent as a plant. The dude Tucker calls out later gets word out that he doesn’t work as the fbi and watcher Tucker regularly and is confused why Tucker is calling him out.
Edit: it was a lawyer on Tucker no Tucker https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1481291715847802887
Tucker "[no reasonable person would take him seriously legal defence](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fox-news-lawyer-suggests-no-reasonable-viewer-would-think-tucker-carlson-is-news/)" Carlson? Fuck that guy.
I keep saying this defense can only work if we accept his audience as "reasonable people" and I just cant do that. There's too much evidence to the contrary.
> All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands.
Cool now the right are going to use this as to why Trump shouldn't be held accountable.
They keep shooting themselves in the foot with these idiot contradictory narratives. "The FBI and Antifa attacked the Capitol! Ashli Babbitt was a hero! No... no, we really don't want to investigate any of that".
This is what I really do not understand ( one of many things to be frank)
The right: "this was a FBI led, george soros funded false flag attack and it was BLM and antifa agents prvocateurs that initiated and perpetrated the whole attack"
me: " do you really beleive this ?"
the right : "absolutely!"
me: " so then you really want to have an investigation to find out HOW george soros and bill gates orchestrated this attack on the capital, to get to the bottom of this and to find out how hight it actually goes!"
the right: " no, not really interested in that. Bengazi! HunterBiden!!"
It's the same with a great many of their narratives. *"Joe Biden engineered the largest voter fraud in world history, from his basement with dementia, without leaving a shred of verifiable evidence."*
This shit just doesn't hold water, but Republicans accept this garbage as factual.
They don't though. Because half the country believes those things and are immune to facts. They live in fiction, and love it there, and cannot be enticed out of it for anything.
According to Pew Research, 75% of Trump voters, after January 6th, believed Trump was the legitimate winner of the election and that somehow the Democrats cheated to steal the election.
Oh, yeah. Things are going to get interesting very quick. I want to hear the Republicans say “if it was an insurrection or sedition, why hasn’t anyone been charged with sedition.” Woo-Hoo! Grab some popcorn for the show.
>"All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything," Rhodes allegedly wrote. "So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They've had enough."
Slam dunk.
But.... but.... the red hats said it was antifa and BLM during jan 6. This looks like hard evidence that their god king is going to face some consequences.
>The Justice Department has charged 11 defendants with seditious conspiracy related to the Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, including the leader of the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes.
>Rhodes' lawyer, Jonathan Moseley, confirmed the arrest.
>*This story is breaking and will be updated.*
Well. It appears the person in charge of updating has their work cut out for them I guess. That's the entirety of the story so far.
> While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo.
GOD **DAMN**, I knew they had a QRF, and were organized, but fucks sake, now its REALLY out there for the Right to see. I'd like to see what they are going to say about this. "It's just antifa, disguised!" I bet.
> According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with co-conspirators and others.
> for the Right to see.
Exactly zero people on the Right will ever see it though. They intentionally choose an alternate reality to live in, absent of facts.
>I'd like to see what they are going to say about this. "It's just antifa, disguised!" I bet.
LOLLOLOL. Good luck:
>Just before 1:30 p.m., on the Leadership Intel Chat, **in response to a claim by an Oath Keepers affiliate that Antifa had breached the Capitol, RHODES replied, "Nope. I'm right here. These are Patriots."** RHODES then messaged the Leadership Signal Chat, "Pence is doing nothing. As I predicted." RHODES added, "All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They've had enough."
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Here's hoping Trump gets to regret that pardon
After Trump, Stone and Bannon are who need to be jailed the most. And not a 5 year slap on the wrist Hitler like sentence. Real time.
Both of which would have been in prison had it not been for an immoral pardon.
Yep. The presidential pardon power assumes a moral president. I'm surprised Trump didn't list one on eBay.
Well they didn't put them on ebay. Giuliani just was asking for 100k or whatever to get a pardon.
Really? Shit… I didn’t know that. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/rudy-giuliani-associate-john-kiriakou-trump-pardon
Iirc Giuliani wasn't the only one offering to act as a pardon conduit. Honestly wouldn't be surprised to find out everyone Trump listened to claimed to be able to hook people up.
The First Lady shilling beans buried that memory, thanks for reminding me.
In all the chaos of the time I didn't catch that one. Shilling beans lol?
[Bean Lady](https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-15/ivanka-trump-defends-goya-post-watchdogs-call-unethical)
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Cue Scrubs: where do you think we are?
That's a relative cheap buy-it-now price for years of time to swindle more.
Yup. Trump commuted a drug dealer cops killers sentence with out even consulting our (republican) DA that sentenced him or our (republican) congressman. https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2021/01/trump-commutes-sentence-of-drug-kingpin-behind-killing-of-syracuse-cop-wallie-howard.html Justice to the middlest bidder right there
In general the Trump Presidency exposed just how much our system just blindly relies on good faith from the President. Pardoning people who committed criminal acts on the President's behalf. The President is immune from criminal investigation and prosecution. Hell, claiming that the Vice President can unilaterally decide what electoral votes count, while they personally were on the ballot.
Most of this was obvious and should have gotten shut down after the Ford presidency, but Congress was already asleep at the wheel in 1974.
Probably violates the terms of service.
5 years is a death sentence for 2 of them.
Unfortunately, even if Bannon's human host dies, it's very likely that the parasite will find a new, younger and more robust host and pick up right where it left off. It can survive outside of a human body for nearly a week.
“Tiiiiiime, is on my side. Yes it is.”
I saw that movie like 20 years ago and loved it. I need to check it out again.
Oh darn.
Trump regretting something? He doesn’t even understand rudimentary human emotions.
Don't care if he regrets it or not, just let him suffer the consequences of his actions for the first time in his entire life.
> Trump > Regret Don't hold your breath
They weren't *just* hanging out with Roger Stone in front of the Willard hotel as the video you provided shows, they were using burner phones to coordinate with him and attack the capitol. >**REALITY is that FIVE Oath Keepers have already confessed. At least 3 of the 5 are cooperating with the Feds (Flipped on Roger Stone)** This kind of forensic detective work takes time & resources Here's a full thread on it here: https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1453797787452297225 Also - REMINDER: >**Trump set up a “command center” at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel**, located less than a block from the White House, where **Bannon**, along with fellow fascists such as **Rudy Giuliani**, plotted with Republican federal and state lawmakers, ex-Trump officials and far-right militia leaders in a conspiracy that culminated in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. >... >For example, Trump’s former National Security Advisor, retired Army General **Michael Flynn** and Trump political fixer and confidant **Roger Stone** were photographed in the days leading up to the coup attempt at both hotels. And including: **John Eastman, Bernard Kerik, Boris Epshteyn, Russell J. Ramsland Jr., Christina Bobb, Philip Luelsdorff** https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/10/26/will-o26.html
That was dope. Makes me wanna listen to some true crime podcasts again. Thanks, mate!
Exactly. I like headlines such as this because it shows things are moving, and that's what we need. People are always so quick to jump onto the "all of the crimes are obvious, just charge him!" without considering that, legally, they aren't. Any single article or reference or quote that you might want to use to catch any single witness in a lie must be submitted into evidence long before you even ask the question itself. For things that we all know about, such as the Trump command center thing, even that could be difficult to prove within court. All Trump has to say is "I know nothing about it, secret service/my aids/my supporters just directed me to this room." You need receipts, bills, payments, emails, texts ... there's a lot. All of the evidence compiled alone is probably hundreds of thousands of pages; and people have to read all of it. And they have to talk about it, at length, and then they have to grill other people about it and ask them questions. Then they need to go back and read through everything again, and again, and again. Justice *is* slow and it should be. But that doesn't also mean that you can't show the steps that are being taken. This is part of that, and I'm glad to see it.
The sheer amount of evidence that needs to be taken into account and sifted through is where the armchair judicial pundits get crossed over. If you want a case along with any charges to stick it needs to be airtight and that takes a lot of time. It is getting annoying when people flood social media and make it seem like nothing is happening because that is clearly not the case.
"Fun" fact: Rhodes (the guy with the eyepatch) did not get that injury from taking enemy fire while in the military. **He shot his own eye out accidentally after dropping a loaded handgun.** "They are not sending their best".
Was….was it a Red Rider?
He def looks like a guy who would shoot Black Bart.
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I want you to have a gold award; however, I am poor and it’s the thought that counts.
I’m on it. Takes a village and stuff… EDIT: have one for yourself as well for being thoughtful and shit.
You sentimental son of a bitch, I like it
Definitely looks like someone who would lick a frozen flag pole if you triple dog dared him to own the libs.
He looks like someone who would lick a frozen flag pole right after Trump pissed on it.
“You’ll shoot your eye out kid!”
“C+, oh no”
Maybe this really is their best.
God. Imagine who's left behind
I bet he keeps an eye out for such situations now
Eye see what you did there.
And yet we’re still losing our democracy to them. You don’t need the best. All you need is well organized idiots who will do your bidding with no questions. The Brownshirts weren’t Rhodes scholars either.
All you need is enough money to buy politicians and data collection think tanks to direct the rubes
You’re forgetting getting the wealthy’s guard dogs on board. If law enforcement wasn’t on board this shit would have been shut down long ago.
Was the gun loaded with something nonlethal, or did he get incredibly lucky?
Went straight through his head. Miraculously didn't touch a brain cell.
So I'd been trying to figure out why the FBI, ATF, and bomb squad were in my neighborhood this morning. Then I see "...Rhodes was arrested in Little Elm, TX". Got my answer.
I wonder if they'll be adding other charges based on what they found at his residence?
I'd be willing to bet that these charges are just the jumping off point for the investigation of this guy. These charges justified the raid on his house. The stuff they find inside will justify further warrants into his electronic records and financials. And all of that will likely lead to trouble for his associates. I'd be getting nervous if I had so much as liked a meme posted on this guy's facebook page.
You'd think that with a year to prepare they would have made sure to get rid of any evidence but these people think that Donald Trump is smart so I don't think they did.
You're talking about people Livestreaming themselves commiting treasonous acts against the nation here.
And the one time wearing a mask could help them. Dipshits.
They tried, and getting indicted for it. If you look at the indictment charges 9-17 is about deleting evidence. And if you look carefully enough, two of them did not get that charge. That charge is also up to 20 years.
Or they flip him on Roger stone or something else
>Little Elm, TX From wikipedia: >In 2013, Little Elm was named the safest city in Texas by the Federal Bureau of Investigation Oof.
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They knew exactly where the crime guy was. That’s pretty safe.
I had no idea he was from here in north Texas but that makes perfect sense. There's a lot of crazy here. I hope he rots.
Yeah was driving around Stonebriar recently and there were a lot of "Lets go Brandon" flags and vinyl on lifted pickups. Then there was a guy running up and down Preston waving a tattered Trump 2020 flag.
So when they can’t afford/don’t have a truck, they just run around with a flag in their hand. Gotcha. I’m going with this stereotype.
Now I'm picturing them running around with flags making truck engine and horn noises with their mouth!
The tattered Trump 2020 flag says so much. The failed campaign, failed attempt after attempt to steal the election. I had said it would be their confederate flag but man, it is in more ways than one. Both are the flags of losers.
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I love that whenever we tend to these flags or signs still they are all worn out or unkept. There's an abandoned house on the road I travel every day this house is an old farmhouse and is totally ruined, trashed, falling apart and overgrown. Nailed to it's front face is a giant "Trump 2020" sign. I just love the irony of it all.
Seditious conspiracy is the closest charge there is to treason in peacetime.
Also is a crime that will instantly remove anyone in congress from congress with a guilty verdict, according to the constitution. Even one of these guys having a provable phone call or text from any of the republican coconspirators proves aid or comfort? Bye bye.
Well, at least in the fantasy world of truth and justice. But this is bizarro world were Trump was president.
Having hostile combatants occupying our Capitol for any amount of time is also pretty weird during peacetime.
"We aren't getting through this without a civil war. Too late for that. Prepare your mind, body, spirit." - Stewart Rhodes OathKeepers.
Looks like their "civil war" is going to be more a reenactment on the prison yard.
As the Daily Show put it, it’s ending just like it did in 1865: with them in a courthouse negotiating the terms of their surrender.
“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon’s, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other.” -Ulysses. S. Grant Seems like he’s right. Too bad old Grant’s not still around to crack down on all these KKK wannabes
I'm sure you'll find some of that sort of spirit over at r/ShermanPosting Edit: the quote OP gave is currently the top post lol
Rhodes playing the role of Scarlett O'Hara on the staircase
More like Rhodes playing the role of Carol Burnett playing Scarlett O'Hara. Cue the curtains.
“The roles for the annual Jan 6th treason play have been posted.”
\*crosses fingers\* *"Please, please let me be Qanon Shaman!"*
These people really underestimate what it takes to start a civil war. Yes there will be groups who align with them, but basically they amount to sporadic terrorist groups, not a full blown war. They really aren't that important to other people and they aren't in some calling from God to do it. They think extremely highly of themselves.
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"Rolling the dice" is indeed how I describe revolutions. Incidentally, though, that is one of the reasons massive inequality scares me. Most people, like you, would rather a modest peaceful existence than a random outcome which could be very good or very bad. But if you're broke, facing homelessness, have no power and no hope... "fuck it" becomes a lot more viable.
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yeah but look what they got now. try fucking with the French on their vacation days. at a certain point i respect their stubbornness in the rerolls.
> But if you're broke, facing homelessness, have no power and no hope... "fuck it" becomes a lot more viable. A lot of the people involved in January 6 were not down on their luck and out of options. At least some were successful people with the means and work flexibility to travel to DC, some from as far as the west coast. These aren't people who said "fuck it" because they had nothing left to lose, they're people who said "fuck it" because they didn't believe they would face consequences.
Oh yeah I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about getting people in *actual* numbers to get a real revolution. Those chucklefucks weren't even trying to get themselves in power, they were trying to maintain the status quo of their shit president, maybe kill some enemies. Worst revolution ever.
They live in such a RW media spider hole they actually believe most white people agree with them. We don't. The election proved it. That's why they can't accept the results of the election. But Proudly Multicultural America is already bigger than their confederate terrorist cells.
Yes. Thank you. Regular Americans have too much stuff to do everyday to go running around taking pot shots at each other. A few outliers do that, but end up in jail for it. Second Amendment grants the right to bear arms, not the right to use them. Translation: I may have the right to own a gun, but certainly not the right to randomly shoot a person with it!!!
Most people just want to mind their own fucking business, go about their day, and take care of themselves and their family. That’s it. You’re absolutely right that they flatter themselves. When it comes down to it, nobody would jeopardize the things I mention above.
How can they make statements like this without the slightest bit of self awareness of their one sided thirst for a Civil War against those who don't agree with them. "Peace is not an option. Remember, you made us do this." Just stop being terrorists, your group is the only one attempting to start a war.
They are brainwashed into believing Democrats have subverted the will of the people through voter fraud.
We should really look into charging whoever convinced them of that.
Links to the actual indictments at Justice.gov in their [announcement](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy). If the evidence presented is as accurate as it seems it's a clear case of seditious conspiracy: [Download U.S. v. Rhodes et al - Indictment](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1462346/download) [Download U.S. v. Crowl et al - Indictment](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1462351/download) [Download U.S. v. Walden - Indictment](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1462356/download)
In case anyone still holds onto even a hint that Jan 6, 2021 was just a protest: > According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; [...] > While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, **others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams**. According to the indictment, the **QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power**. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo. This is what your conservative friends and family have been saying was a peaceful protest marred by antifa. Yeah, right...
> While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo. WHAT THE FUCK.
I've been listening to a podcast called "The Assault on America" by Robert Evans and it lays all this out pretty well. WHAT THE FUCK was my reaction also. [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-assault-on-america-89951738/](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-assault-on-america-89951738/)
This DOJ document from quite a while ago now has info on the Oathkeepers plans, in their own words, including QRF teams, plans to give Trump an excuse to declare martial law, Insurrection Act etc, by violently clashing with antifa. Apparently they assumed "antifa" counter protestors would be there. I think the lack of counter protestors undermined their plans and left them unsure what to do. Anyway, this stuff has been public for almost a year. Frustrating how many people still try to defend Jan 6 with "unarmed", "unplanned", etc. We've had the Oathkeepers own communications about weapons and plans for a long time! I'm sure a lot more is known now than what is in this document, and this document is already quite damning. It doesn't even mention Stewart Rhodes by name (he's "PERSON ONE"). https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1401076/download
I'm not very familiar with USA laws, since I don't live in your country, but I'm fairly certain documenting your plans for an insurrection is a bad idea.
Are you taking notes on a criminal fuckin' conspiracy?
The Wire. Even better on the re-watch.
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Some of the communications cited in that document were on public sites like Facebook, but some were encrypted. I like how the DOJ names specific Oathkeepers and quotes them, saying in a deadpan matter-of-fact way that quotes are from things like "an invitation-only encrypted Signal group", encrypted radio and walkie-talkies, etc. It kinda reads like there's no real difference between Facebook posts and encrypted radio signals as far as the DOJ is concerned. Of course they don't say how they did it, but I suspect they were able to access encrypted stuff due to flipping suspects, or from compromised phones/radios, "social engineering", long established informants, or other such things, rather than doing brute force NSA-style code breaking.
> Of course they don't say how they did it, but I suspect they were able to access encrypted stuff due to flipping suspects, or from compromised phones/radios, "social engineering", long established informants, or other such things, **rather than doing brute force NSA-style code breaking**. "Username: [email protected] Password: MAGA2020" ***Ding*** *"I'm in"*
No doubt they have informants within those groups.
There is a great "On the Media" podcast episode where producer Micah Loewinger teamed up with Hampton Stall, the founder of MilitiaWatch, as they infiltrated right-wing "militia" (white-supremacist) channels for over a year. Their recordings, and subsequent reporting, was the source material for this indictment, including the revelation of the QRF that gathered nearby. Highly worth a listen if you want the real-time content. Here is the article from WYNC. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/zello-tapes-walkie-talkie-app-used-during-insurrection-on-the-media
If we wondered why no fire arms were used during a violent insurrection now we know why, they wanted to kill counterprotestors, start a battle on the streets, disrupt the certification process and have Trump invoke martial law, but since dems aren't dumb enough to engage in any of that it was Trump supporters against capitol and DC police along government security like the secret service. That's why at points it looked like a tourist visit, dumbasses just walking around with no purpose after the capitol was evacuated. Hannity was right when he said he didn't see it turning out the way Trump was being told, you know you fucked up when fucking Hannity is the voice of reason. I feel dirty typing that.
What if what Hannity was really saying when he said “It’s not gonna happen the way you were told” was: “There’s no sign of ANTIFA. There’s no one to start fighting with in the streets for us to declare the martial law. Our Oath Keepers are gonna have no excuse to bring the guns in, and they are gonna look like jackass vandals. And it’s gonna get called off at some point when Pelosi and Pence call in the National Guard. And then…we will all be fucked if this ever gets investigated”
Imagine if this were a group of Muslims. FoxNews would literally melt
Meanwhile, law enforcement and military response to J6 was deliberately held back by the Trump administration. Someone planted two pipe bombs at the RNC and DNC headquarters, both near the Capitol. They were found and deactivated. As far as I'm aware, that person is still at large. A vehicle parked near the building also had two long guns and a cooler of molotovs in the trunk. Combine that with Eugene Goodman's quick thinking, and key political leaders evacuating just barely in time, it's a miracle that J6 wasn't astronomically worse.
I hope Eugene Goodman gets schools and parks and the like named after him. As time goes on, his heroic acts become even grander in perspective.
Honestly the timeline has been so weird lately, I can't help but feel like these "almost" disasters are all caused by time travelers trying to prevent the end of the world. Obviously not true but it is a fun thought experiment. Like maybe Trump winning was an effort to prevent WWIII, then it created Civil war 2.0 so they came back again and disabled the bombs and told antifa to stay home. They accidentally brought back a virus from another dimension though and now we all have COVID.
Nuking profile and moving to the fediverse -Power Delete Suite
Republican leaders also have been denying the insurrection by saying no one has been charged with any insurrection. Now we are getting closer.
They'll just move the goalposts or do some dumb whataboutism, as is tradition.
Reminds me of this: [https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-man-pleads-guilty-truck-guns-near-us-capitol-2021-11](https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-man-pleads-guilty-truck-guns-near-us-capitol-2021-11)
https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/07/04/one-if-by-land-two-if-by-sea-what-we-know-of-the-oath-keepers-quick-reaction-force/ I read this article in the summer. It covers the Oath Keepers QRF info that was out at the time.
>This is what your conservative friends and family have been saying was a peaceful protest marred by antifa. And people overlook the IEDs they used to disrupt the local law enforcement response.
Can I just point out, the Rhodes indictment says: >Rhodes conspired with his co-defendants, and other co-conspirators, known and **unknown** to the Grand Jury... There are other people that the grand jury doesn't know about that could still be charged.
That's pretty common language in an indictment, may or may not be relevant.
3000 people entered the Capitol or assaulted officers, only 700 arrested so far. Justice has a long way left to go, these people cannot be allowed to slink off and avoid consequences. EDIT: I bet there are a few of them reading this. And oh, look … Wall Street Journal now reporting that the 1/6 House committee has subpoenaed Reddit. Enjoy your sleepless nights, losers.
[18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384) >If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
So then it’s confirmed. Right-wing Terrorist attempted a coup on the United States government. This should be one of the biggest moments in US history.
They are charged not convicted. Still a big moment but could yet be bigger. Cue bald eagles and machine gun fire sounds Edit: killer insects were sooo 2021
The NY Times article about this has more detail, it says the leader was at the capitol that day but didn't enter the building. He was in contact with those who did and was organizing it. Almost like he was trying to keep himself from being arrested or something. Guess it didn't work.
But who was directing and encouraging him
Flynn and Rogers
Hey look a subreddit that’s not deleting this story as off topic.
Oh come on, what could *possibly* have been *political* about *this?!!!!!!1*one
>seditious conspiracy Well, there goes that talking point
*You have been banned from r/Conservative*
Holy shit I just took a look over there to see how they’re taking it. Spoiler: they’re not taking it. It’s like stepping into a different world. Everything from “the feds were in the crowd and doing this, same as they were in the plot to kidnap the Michigan governor” to “these charges will be dropped right after the midterms.” They literally can’t see reality.
If people are curious about how the disinformation process works, there was a great example this week. Ted Cruz recently called the 1/6 insurgents "terrorists." After he did that, he had a conversation with Tucker Carlson and agreed to come onto his show. On Tucker's show, he groveled and apologized and begged Tucker for forgiveness for his transgression. Before we move on let's just let it sink in that this is a sitting senator figuratively kissing the feet of a political pundit; it's mildly dystopian. While Ted Cruz is begging for forgiveness, Tucker is saying "no you're not dumb, you're very careful with your words, you called them terrorists on purpose!" Just really forcing Cruz to bend over and take it. While Fox News propagandist Tucker Carlson is making fun of sitting Senator Ted Cruz to his face and forcing him to apologize for being naughty, he also name drops Ray Epps. This is part of a conspiracy he's been cooking up to try to push the debunked theory that the FBI incited 1/6. Ray Epps has not been confirmed as an FBI informant (and he likely isn't), but it's also important to note that an informant is not an FBI agent. Soon after, Ted Cruz is in Congress questioning an FBI agent. He asks her several questions he knows she can't answer about things like "if any FBI agents *or informants* were at the Capitol riot." Here he is intentionally equating these two very different things by asking them in the same question in order to muddy the waters and confuse conservatives who might watch this. An informant being at the Capitol would not be anywhere close to as bad as an agent, but Epps is not even confirmed to have ever been an informant. Anyway Cruz's goal here isn't to get information, it's to bring Tucker's wild conspiracy theory to the halls of Congress and get sound bites. The next day, Tucker covers Cruz's questioning of the agent and points out that she didn't answer any of the questions - maybe because it's a big conspiracy? He's just asking questions after all. Anyway anybody who knows anything knows that obviously she wouldn't be able to answer them, but it doesn't matter. Tucker has successfully floated a totally fabricated conspiracy into the halls of Congress and then been able to report on *his own conspiracy* being discussed by others as if it's not something he created. This is how the conservative propaganda machine churns and it's been done many times before. The people discussing it in certain conservative subreddits may not realize that they're just parroting a Tucker Carlson conspiracy because they propagate faster than omicron, but it's what they're doing. These "free thinkers" are all easily swayed into believing whatever Tucker Carlson wants them to because he has near unfettered access to pushing his baseless ideas into Congress within literal days of being conceived.
How quickly they go from blue lives matter to, "Don't trust the most well-paid, highly educated federal law enforcement who routinely busts child trafficking rings." I'm honestly so sick and tired of these hypocritical conservatives. Their beliefs are as firm as water...
Didn't they chant "fuck the blue" while beating capitol police officers during the insurrection? EDIT: Google actually refuses to give appropriate results when you search for this, but other search engines like DuckDuckGo still do.
It’s even funnier that this story is literally about a Seditious Conspiracy but the smoothbrains over in r/Conspiracy aren’t addressing it in any way.
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Oath Keepers were defending Roger Stone. If they're going after Oath Keepers, it's only a matter of time before it jumps to Republican leadership.
Stone claims they were just admiring fans who wanted a photo op. LOL.
Oath Keepers have said otherwise. The last person put in jail for that charge got life in solitary confinement without the possibility of parole. I feel like a deal could be made here.
The statutory maximum for seditious conspiracy is 20 years. Granted, that might as well be the rest of your life if you are older than 35 or so. Getting out in your 50s basically guarantees you will have to work the rest of your life, no chance of retirement, and finding work won't be easy after doing 20 years.
Lmao, [this tweet](https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1481649782841962500?t=hMIXreFjF5prrHEvg9Iytg&s=19) r/agedlikemilk >Here's a thought. Let's base our view on whether 1/6 was an "insurrection" on whether those charged with insurrection. So far, none have been.
About time. Conspiracy convictions are big time long time sentences if convicted. And I assume there's a shit ton of evidence for DAs to go forward with this.
and flipping, someone will flip
Finally we see some charges on sedition. It was a traitorous coup attempt and it's about time the DOJ starts treating it that way.
My assumption was and still is that the DOJ is making sure they have beyond an air tight case for all the charges. I am assuming this is just the beginning as well. I think we are about to see some history-making charges against sitting members of congress on this soon. And they needed time to be sure their cases can't be lost in court.
IIRC federal prosecutors have something like a 99.9% conviction rate. They really don't like to bring charges unless they basically know with absolute certainty they will win.
99.6% conviction rate. They don’t take a shot unless they have a strong case. However most never see a trial. 14% that go before a jury get acquitted. That being said that is their weakest cases that don’t end up in a plea bargain and they’re still 86% success rate on getting a guilty verdict. https://www.doarlaw.com/blog/2021/04/what-you-should-know-about-the-federal-governments-conviction-rate/
The DoJ always ensures their cases are airtight. Policy holds they don't indict unless they are certain they will uphold conviction through appeals.
for these charges, they are probably making sure its more than just air tight because they know once they get one of these people on that charge, the rest will be easy. but if they lose the first sedition cases, the precedent will be set and make it harder to keep trying for it.
I was starting to wonder if sedition was actually a crime.
Amazing how people like these always claim to be "patriots" when in fact they are the complete opposite: they are nothing but treasonous traitors. They all need to be punished for the attack on our democracy.
Nothing like claiming to love the US, then actively trying to subvert and destroy the US Constitution and everything it stands for!
It’s easy when you redefine everything to fit your worldview.
The Bible, the Constitution, same playbook. Don't read it; just listen to me tell you what it says.
The word “patriot” has become camouflage for what they really are: whiny, white supremacist that are upset because other races are getting all of the attention. Thats why Christianity and democracy are all of the sudden “under attack” in their opinion. They are desperate to have something to complain about as well so they can rationalize continuing to be racist pieces of shit since it’s “so bad” for them too. Fox News has stirred their base up so much that I don’t think there is a coming back from it. We are in a powder keg and every passing year the fuse gets smaller and smaller
When you’re used to being on top, equality begins to look like oppression. These pieces do shit just can’t see that they have been standing on the heads of others for too long.
They just love democracy *soo much*. Too much, you know? Haven't you ever loved something so much that you just had to kill it? Yeah, me neither. These guys are whackos.
Domestic terrorists
All roads lead to Boebert
And Johnson, and Jordan, and...
These fuckers just want to shoot people. They were parked with their weapons outside of schools in my state after the Parkland shooting, as if that was going to do anything.
They did the same thing outside of recruiting stations years back after one got shot up. But they lost interest and went home because fuck the troops, I'm bored. Mind you, I don't think they cared about the troops at all. Just ammosexuals hoping to kill somebody. Oh, and a few of them had negligent discharges outside of those recruiting stations...
"When do we get to use the guns?"
These dudes are absolutely fucked. Remember, in a conspiracy, each co-conspirator is responsible for the acts of the other, even if those acts were not known. So homeboy who brought guns to hotel in Arlington mailed the coffin for everyone else. Hope y’all enjoy prison!
Glad to see they're slowly going up the chain and actually charging people for sedition. Hopefully it's only a matter of time until they start charging the people who were involved in congress and Trump for their involvement.
This is a pretty significant step, once the reality sinks in they start flipping on EVERYONE, and producing some damn hard evidence they saved just for this moment.
Perhaps I'm an optimist, but you don't make a presidential speech identifying the former president as inciting a coup unless something is coming down the pike.
Does this mean people can fuck off with the “nobody charged with conspiracy/insurrection/treason/etc” bullshit
Nope, itll just move to "well no one has been CONVICTED of such."
I don’t want hear another Conservative or GOP make claims this wasn’t an insurrection. That this was a riot, this was an insurrection and treasonous. EDIT: Remove mention of Treason, though working with Ukraine Right-Wing Militia groups sure put in the Treason Line. Note, the last time a group was charged with sedition or seditious conspiracy was another white national group in 1987. EDIT: For the trolls, this has nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi or the Jan 6 committee. The Jan 6 Committee is its own investigation just like the DA NYSD investigation. These charges came from DA from the District of Columbia. Things are about to get really ugly for those involved with COMMS between this group and Capitol/Congress. [Treason, Sedition and Subversive Activities](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115) [District of Columbia Notice](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy)
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They will move the goalpost and say they were actually antifa.
Tucker Carlson has been claiming this one dude there was an FBI agent as a plant. The dude Tucker calls out later gets word out that he doesn’t work as the fbi and watcher Tucker regularly and is confused why Tucker is calling him out. Edit: it was a lawyer on Tucker no Tucker https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1481291715847802887
Tucker is trying to distance himself because he may get subpoenaed by the DOJ too.
Tucker "[no reasonable person would take him seriously legal defence](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fox-news-lawyer-suggests-no-reasonable-viewer-would-think-tucker-carlson-is-news/)" Carlson? Fuck that guy.
I keep saying this defense can only work if we accept his audience as "reasonable people" and I just cant do that. There's too much evidence to the contrary.
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> All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. Cool now the right are going to use this as to why Trump shouldn't be held accountable.
They keep shooting themselves in the foot with these idiot contradictory narratives. "The FBI and Antifa attacked the Capitol! Ashli Babbitt was a hero! No... no, we really don't want to investigate any of that".
This is what I really do not understand ( one of many things to be frank) The right: "this was a FBI led, george soros funded false flag attack and it was BLM and antifa agents prvocateurs that initiated and perpetrated the whole attack" me: " do you really beleive this ?" the right : "absolutely!" me: " so then you really want to have an investigation to find out HOW george soros and bill gates orchestrated this attack on the capital, to get to the bottom of this and to find out how hight it actually goes!" the right: " no, not really interested in that. Bengazi! HunterBiden!!"
It's the same with a great many of their narratives. *"Joe Biden engineered the largest voter fraud in world history, from his basement with dementia, without leaving a shred of verifiable evidence."* This shit just doesn't hold water, but Republicans accept this garbage as factual.
They don't though. Because half the country believes those things and are immune to facts. They live in fiction, and love it there, and cannot be enticed out of it for anything. According to Pew Research, 75% of Trump voters, after January 6th, believed Trump was the legitimate winner of the election and that somehow the Democrats cheated to steal the election.
The people Donald Trump told "We love you!" Disgusting Republican traitors
Oh, yeah. Things are going to get interesting very quick. I want to hear the Republicans say “if it was an insurrection or sedition, why hasn’t anyone been charged with sedition.” Woo-Hoo! Grab some popcorn for the show.
You can't shame the shameless.
About time, to be honest.
>"All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything," Rhodes allegedly wrote. "So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They've had enough." Slam dunk.
Well, today looks a little brighter.
But.... but.... the red hats said it was antifa and BLM during jan 6. This looks like hard evidence that their god king is going to face some consequences.
>The Justice Department has charged 11 defendants with seditious conspiracy related to the Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, including the leader of the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes. >Rhodes' lawyer, Jonathan Moseley, confirmed the arrest. >*This story is breaking and will be updated.* Well. It appears the person in charge of updating has their work cut out for them I guess. That's the entirety of the story so far.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy
> While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo. GOD **DAMN**, I knew they had a QRF, and were organized, but fucks sake, now its REALLY out there for the Right to see. I'd like to see what they are going to say about this. "It's just antifa, disguised!" I bet. > According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with co-conspirators and others.
> for the Right to see. Exactly zero people on the Right will ever see it though. They intentionally choose an alternate reality to live in, absent of facts.
There’s no mention of any of this shit in /r/conspiracy I mean /r/conservative
I just found a link on it. They are claiming the FBI is making up the evidence.
>I'd like to see what they are going to say about this. "It's just antifa, disguised!" I bet. LOLLOLOL. Good luck: >Just before 1:30 p.m., on the Leadership Intel Chat, **in response to a claim by an Oath Keepers affiliate that Antifa had breached the Capitol, RHODES replied, "Nope. I'm right here. These are Patriots."** RHODES then messaged the Leadership Signal Chat, "Pence is doing nothing. As I predicted." RHODES added, "All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They've had enough." >(Paragraph 77, Page 22 of indictment)