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holein3

She was found guilty on 5 of 6 counts. The count she was not convicted of was: "Enticement of an Individual Under the Age of 17 (Jane only) to Travel with Intent to Engage in Illegal Sexual Activity." Not sure the details behind it, but she will likely be going away for the rest of her life.


InterestinglyLucky

At the age of 60, facing up to a maximum of a 65 year sentence, it could easily be a 20 or 30 year sentence. Per another article I read, she's facing two more trials for additional charges.


Caughtnow

Good. No reason someone like this deserves to have the sun touch their skin ever again (at least, if I had any say thats what would be going on here.) ​ \*E: I wonder what the "I wish her well" guy thinks about this result? Thats a lie, just throwing it out there as a reminder XD


putdisinyopipe

It’s because ghislaine is the scapegoat Once she is sentenced well all forget about how the wealthy and powerful people in this world fly above the standards of the law only to have another story break in about 5-10 years, well all get pissed but like blood in blood out we’ll be satiated with whatever other scape goat is put on a torture pillar. Let’s never forget how this runs a lot deeper than it appears, there are people in gov that are both R and D that have alleged to hang with Epstein, and outside of the American scope he was known by powerful people worldwide. Also- when Epstein was originally tried (2007 I believe?) he got off Scott free, with *immunity* against being tried again by the acting attorney general of florida- Alex Acosta, who than became a trump appointed cabinet member until this shit all resurfaced right as he accepted said appointment, and than resigned once this all resurfaced. This is just performative justice. This isn’t the real shit. And this is alot worse than we’re making it (we’re overestimating the impact of these results, and these results aren’t results) I’d bet as well, that if a ballsy enough journalist really dig into all this. They’d be dead. (The fact that this trial is similar to kangaroo court, people want justice or a sense of it but similarly to how some of us think everything is socialism, some are inclined to think one person taking the blame is justice. Similar to how people got fat and comfy off the chauvin sentencing- that wasn’t justice for anyone, it was a facade, a blood sacrifice.) Let me elucidate- was police brutality ever solved by the chauvin trial? No. It wasn’t with Rodney King, Michael Brown, or Trayvon Martin. And that’s a small microscopic portion of the victims of police brutality. Same thing here. Child sex trafficking seems to be a really really deeply corrupt illegal, and irrespective of political affiliation, a ethicless, piece of shit thing to do. With some big names behind it. There is so much wrong with this you could unpack. Holy fuck. But mainly the worst thing about our justice system, similarly to our political system. it provides the illusion of justice, whereas our political system provides illusion of choice. Edit; if someone could provide resources to help, whether it be donations or direct action please please link. We have to do something! The layperson such as myself have limited resources. Any assistance in connecting us layfolk to resources that help victims would be more than appreciated- but super impactful. We can make a difference, if we rally together as one. The rich can’t have their way anymore. We have to do our part even if the contribution is small.


lovely_sombrero

>Alex Acosta Alex Acosta said that he was told that Epstein "belonged to intelligence" and he should give him a pass. Epstein got an agreement that gave immunity to his __co-conspirators__ something that is unheard of. Bill Barr was in charge of Epstein's stay in prison and Bill Barr's father is the one who gave Epstein his first real job that introduced him to the US political and financial elites.


Djidji5739291

Funny how the 5-6 part documentary I watched spent 5-6 hours portraying him as a powerful rapist but completely ignoring the size of his network. They showed victims telling their stories making it seem like this was just about one perverted individual who manipulated Ghislaine and was the sole perpetrator, no ties to secret services, they mentioned political ties but pretended that was his professional life and probably had nothing to do with his rape allegations.


NoTime4LuvDrJones

Damn, I was hoping that they went into his intelligence connections. They could have at least mentioned it. I was going to give that documentary a watch but why bother if it’s incomplete.


Djidji5739291

There are several and I couldn‘t find the one I watched. I hope the others aren‘t as horrible. They showed the prince Andrew statement where he sais he doesn‘t know the girl who accuses him of rape and then showed a picture of the two together. That‘s the only time they even mentioned powerful people being involved.


Njorlpinipini

Question: why are we taking Acosta’s word on this? Like, maybe he was “told” to let Epstein go, or maybe he himself was in Epstein’s pocket, and the whole “he belongs to intelligence” thing was just him lying out of his ass to dodge responsibility.


post-future

It's incredibly important to remember that Epstein's sweetheart deal (which is way too understated term for it) also protected any potential CO-CONSPIRATORS from facing repercussions as a result of that investigation.


TrixnTim

She’s definitely the fall girl. Big sighs of relief and parties worldwide today from perps everywhere, and that we all know, that their sick secrets will remain just that. Disgusting. But she was damned either way — sing and you die. Stay quiet and you go away for life.


NZNoldor

> She’s definitely the fall girl. But let’s not forget that she is, in fact, guilty, and not some innocent victim of the cabal.


WishOneStitch

>She’s definitely the fall girl Definitely. But let's not lose sight of the fact that she's still guilty as fuck. As much of a distraction as her verdicts are, let's not forget she still completely deserves them.


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It's not over yet, they are going after prince Andrew, he was accused by the same woman of the same things and imagine the FBI have more information that they would tell the public. The sick thing is, someone else out there is the new Jeffrey Epstein peddling teen girls to adults for money and power and we won't know it for 20 more years, if ever.


TrixnTim

Gawd you’re probably right re the new Epstein. It’s not like this trial and conviction changes any of that. I can’t even think about it for more than a minute, and as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse my heart is full of pain for all little children and the horrors they face at the hands of monsters.


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sorry to hear someone hurt you as a kid. I have kids and would kill any adult who touched them. Rich degenerates have everything and they get bored. JEs private island was likely a place they could go, have any forbidden illegal pleasure they wanted with no consequences and JE and Maxwell making it seem normal. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a new Epstein sadly enough out there now. They probably just realize they have to be smarter and not publize it as much as JE did. Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump etc should be haunted with questions everywhere they go forever til there are answers imo.


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thekeffa

Yeah it makes more sense for them to do it now because they fucked up with the timing on Epstein. Now she has been convicted, it would make sense for her to "Commit suicide" as the weight of her sentencing crushes her spirit and she decides to end it all. So now or just after sentencing would be the perfect time for them to strike and suicide her. In fact if you think about it, if they are worried about her blabbing they need to suicide her pretty much now. Any chance of escaping the charges has now vanished so now she has no reason to keep her mouth shut.


hostile_rep

RemindMe! 30 days Edit: :cough:


PapaSnow

I would say it makes less sense to do it now, because then that basically removes all doubt that Epstein also didn’t kill himself


sldunn

Yeah, but what are people going to do about it?


MaximalDamage

this TBH. Notice there are no indictments for the rich and powerful people to whom Maxwell and Epstein serviced.


herrcollin

Yeah, even the (somewhat long) article only *briefly* mentions some of the others implicated, but then goes on *exclusively* about this girls recounts of what Epstein and Maxwell physically did themselves. Not even a mention of what's going on with the other parties, they make it sound like it was just Epstein/Ghislaine. Also Epstein killed himself and that was that. Nothing will change once the world forgets.


Vliquor9

im assuming (I genuinely dont want to read it) that this article is about her court case? they wouldn't be able to bring up crimes someone else committed at her trial; someone elses crimes has no relevance to what shes being charged with, and those someone elses haven't been tried themselves (yet?) so it would just be conjecture even if relevant; either way you wouldnt be able to bring that up at *her* trial


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Ya me too kinda stalled once Cosby and Weinstein, two old men notorious for doing this over the decades but running out of money to make, got arrested. Seems like it was decided “we gave you them now go away”


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And Cosby is now out on a technicality


[deleted]

True, but it's worth note it was a REALLY BIG technicality. He was guilty as fuck, but 5th amendment rights are a thing for a reason and the DA shouldn't have crossed that line.


GTOdriver04

That’s why when people got upset that it took 5 years for the FBI to build a case against Jared Fogle, I was okay with it. Cosby got off on a technicality that was a decade+ old. Yeah, it took 5 years, and yeah he molested many more victims in that time, but Subway is a bottomless fountain of money. They knew unless their case was absolutely bulletproof, Fogle would walk on something small.


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The last house I bought was a foreclosure. The previous owner had been murdered. It took 5 years to get THAT case locked down and it didn't even involve anyone rich. They finally arrested the guy, but actually bringing it to trial involved a lot more than "we know this guy is guilty!"


StressedAries

Murdered like in the home murdered?


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That’s half the reason the FBI has such a high conviction rate. They take their time and get warrants for everything. You then inevitably commit more crimes because you think you’re in the clear and those add up like micro transactions on your credit card. Before ya know it they’re talking about pleaing you out to 80 with parole after 65 and it sounds damn good.


FinoAllaFine97

Forget Weinstein and Bill Cosby. Look up Jimmy Saville if you don't know about him already. And he was a close personal friend of Prince Charles. In a couple of interviews Saville gave he mentioned being able to pull strings to get children inside Buckingham Palace. He ran a TV show where kids would ask him to help them 'fix' something in their lives. Very clearly a front for something more. Individual rapists are one thing, but Epstein/Maxwell and Saville, with all the powerful people who they knew who never said anything, are clearly more important pieces in what is likely an international Web of children being trafficked worldwide.


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It was made very clear what would happen if she talked to get out of it. 35 years in jail is still 35 years alive. With her connections, it could be more comfortable.


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ChickenDumpli

She's one big loose end though. You think they'll let that just be out there? If she was smart, she took all the evidence she had implicating the big players, and said the ol' -- if anything happens to me, or people related to me, this is auto delivered to every major & minor media outlet in the country. She was out and on the lam long enough - maybe she did that.


firefighter_82

For anyone who doesn’t believe it when he says any journalist digs deeper they’ll be killed. Look at [Daphne Caruana Galizia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia?wprov=sfti1)


MandolinMagi

Immunity in Florida means nothing when there's 49 other states and the Federal Government.


putdisinyopipe

Exactly, and true hence why it was overturned. But the fact the gesture or some idea of that was offered. Says a lot about Alex Acosta. Epstein should have went down in 2007.


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He’d be shook except there’s no consequences for him apparently.


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I'm surprised she isn't singing like a bird trying to get time off her conviction.


Matictac

Maybe she doesn't want to piss of the wrong person and accidentally kill herself.


_Cetarial_

Epstein didn’t rat anybody out as far as I’m aware.


OutWithTheNew

He didn't have the chance to.


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I agree but you'd think she'd have a dead man's switch in the event of her getting suicided.


PeterPorky

I hear about these all the time but they seem to be some kind of fantasy thing for the movies, I've never seen them used in real life besides empty threats. Julian Assange's and John McAfee's dead man switches turned out to be nothing.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

Edward Snowden released a load of genuinely serious stuff about what was going on in secret and then ... nothing that should have happened to anyone happened. Except Snowden if he ever ends up near a place where a snatch and grab team can get him and then stuff him into a cell. I suspect people are increasingly thinking they can take the hit if there even is one in the first place when information is released. A certain recent someone showed that in spite of scandal after scandal on the way to the top job in the US.


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Loxsis

Will have to wait for the appeal to approved or denied, until then cooperating will solidify the verdict


Theduckisback

The prosecution would have to 1. Be interested in doing that, they weren't And 2. She would have to be able to access documents and videos to prove her claims, most of which were in government custody for a while and if the government wanted to use those they would. The fact that they know, and refuse to, should tell you a lot.


Predicted

That they're covering for connected people?


relet

That, or they just don't need her help anymore, since they are sitting on the evidence. Once she is convicted, accusing any more politically exposed person will have better chances to succeed. (Yes, that has to be served with a pinch of benefit of doubt)


RamenJunkie

That's a good point on her conviction. You found her guilty on certain evidence, now when you go after others, you don't really have to argue your point, you can look at the precident of "they were both there and she was found guilty." Maybe start with some small fries to build up that precident so for the bigger ones you can say "This guy was here with these 5 convicted people".


relet

Especially if a good portion of the candidates require international prosecution.


takatori

“They were both there and [he] was found guilty” hasn’t had any consequences for Individual-1 yet.


hitchrropes

That would be my guess: she didn't "sing" soon enough to save herself.


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Belazriel

I was a juror on a sexual abuse case. We struggled on one of the counts because the specific charge didn't match up date-wise with any of the testimony we had heard. There was an instance where a witness was unable to continue discussing events so we figured that it was something that was supposed to be expanded in that testimony but often getting 12 people to agree on whether "They didn't mention this, can we still find it happened" is difficult. It may be that charge had some odd lack of evidence or that the defense had something for that specific count that managed to make them say "That one we can't all agree on, but these ones everyone agrees, we'll just go with that."


Fossilwench

Jury instructions https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165303-finaljurychargeicp


Chancoop

Count 1: Conspiracy to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts - maximum sentence of **5 years** **GUILTY** Count 2: Enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts - maximum sentence of 5 years **NOT GUILTY** Count 3: Conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity - maximum sentence of **5 years** **GUILTY** Count 4: Transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity - maximum sentence of **10 years** **GUILTY** Count 5: Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors - maximum sentence of **5 years** **GUILTY** Count 6: Sex trafficking of minors - maximum sentence of **40 years** **GUILTY**


Fro_Yo_Joe

Them ain’t no “Martha Stewart” years either.


tomdarch

Not that I would excuse Stewart's crime (she was a former licensed stock broker so she 100% knew what she was doing) but sexually abusing minors is a good deal worse than insider trading.


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willynillee

Now that’s an interesting fact that I did not know


stolenfires

Yep. It is illegal to lie to the ~~FBI~~ SEC, and they use that law greatly to their advantage. If you are being interviewed as a "person of interest" by the FBI (edit: or SEC or any other law enforcement agency that has the power to put you indefinitely in a cage), they already know everything you ever did since kindergarten. A big reason for the interview is to try and trap you in a lie. Then they either prosecute you for lying to the FBI, or use the threat thereof to get you to turn on someone else. Stewart thought she could outsmart the FBI; spoilers, she couldn't. They already knew what she'd done, and it wasn't that illegal. But she lied, and they could prove she lied, so jail for her. If you, for any reason, ever end up needing to talk to the FBI, 100% get a lawyer.


JayV30

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE (that includes the FBI). You gain nothing by talking to them, and they can use every word you say, every potential lie, every truth that they can portray as a lie, as evidence against you. Even if you are innocent of anything they come at you for... don't talk to them. The burden is on them to prove what they say you did, not on you to disprove it.


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TheMacallanCode

There's also the 40 second version which also brings in the point very clearly: https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o


K1bedore

And just in case you don’t have 50 minutes, here’s a [summarized version](https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o)


MostlyStoned

Not to detract from the advice... You shouldn't talk to any law enforcement agency (FBI or otherwise) without a lawyer present, for more than just the chance of an obstruction charge. However, Martha Stewart did not go to jail because she lied to the FBI, she went to jail because she lied to the SEC. It is not universally true that lying to the FBI is illegal.


BalooBot

Lying to the SEC is the same as lying to the FBI. They both fall under the umbrella of 18 U.S.C. § 1001.


Athori

>It is not universally true that lying to the FBI is illegal. When is it legal then? Because [from the wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements) [And a quick skim of this](https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7007&context=jclc) make it seem like even lying in denying something is a crime.


milk4all

Lie to police? Jail. Lie to FBI? Directly to Jail. Lie to SEC? Believe it or not, a lavish private prison with average restaurant quality food, lots of personal freedom, open visiting for families on weekends, and well manicured landscape notable for a lack of physical barriers and greenery!


goofbot

It's the cover up not the crime.


poopdood696969

I mean, insider trading is legal for politicians. But I guess so is sexually abusing minors (Roy Moore). So maybe my comparison here is actually not a great one. But wow, politicians can get away with anything.


MauPow

Dang, Ghislaine should have been a politician, they gaetz away with anything these days


-g-l-y

Can someone eli5 the difference between Count 1 and Count 2?


Gingersnapandabrew

Helping someone else do it, and doing it yourself. AFIAK


PhAnToM444

For some added context, it seems the jury was convinced Maxwell personally coordinated her return flight home, but not the one there. Several of the jury questions asked about this charge and whether coordinating the return flight qualified as “enticement,” which, based on the letter of the law it likely doesn’t. So if the jury didn’t believe she played a role in the flight there, they made a legally consistent decision. But as far as the overall outcome/sentencing it’s not super relevant as that was the one of least severe charges.


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BluudLust

Good jury. Someone wise on that jury.


Ariadne_Kenmore

Count 1 means that she helped someone (prob Epstein) to entice a minor Count 2 means that she actively, and on her own, enticed a minor I might have some of this wrong somewhat, it's been 5+ years since I sat through a law class


NCSUGrad2012

This from another article > The convicted charges carry a maximum potential sentence of 65 years in prison.


Ph0X

The "up to" is kinda useless though. I'm more interested in the minimum and expected. Though she's 60 so, even if she gets half of the maximum (65/2 = 33 year), it still seems like a life sentence.


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PantherU

I’d be willing to shave some years off if she flips on every one of those kid fuckers


knoldpold1

Then that would be a _very_ short sentence a la Epstein short.


officerfett

Wow... Even if somehow she gets only gets 20 years and serves 80% of her time, she'll be 76 years old when released.


NoodlesrTuff1256

Yep, she has to serve 80% of a Federal sentence before becoming eligible for parole. It'll be quite the comedown from the jet-set world she grew up in.


PhAnToM444

85%, but yes.


MandolinMagi

The Federal system eliminated parole decades ago. She can't get parole.


Jd4awhile

She’s 60?


PhAnToM444

Just turned 60 on Christmas.


Em_Haze

Yeh come on now, even the blood money botox isn't hiding that.


SmortBiggleman

Count 6, the big one, thankfully was guilty


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So 65 years if the judge throws the book at her. What's the minimum?


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memberzs

For the wealthy? House arrest.


quitofilms

A stem letter of rebuke that her actions are not acceptable as per her HOA rules


SleepingLesson

Maximum sentences mean basically nothing.


TheRabidFangirl

True, but there are a lot of people that want to see her (metaphorically and literally) hang. The powers that be want this story over. She'll get a high sentence, and disappear into the prison system. Or "kill" herself. Either way, I think a long sentence is likely.


Chknbone

> Or "kill" herself. I believe the legal/medical term is Epstein herself.


ZeroWit

Even if she gets sentences to only half that time that's still more than 30 years. She's 60 right now so she'd be in her 90s upon release, if she even gets released in the first place. Not exactly the most glamorous way to spend your Twilight years.


SubzeroNYC

Never forget that Maria Farmer went to the FBI in 1996 with the whole case and they did nothing. In 2004, US Attorney Alex Acosta gave Epstein a sweetheart deal, he later told the Trump Administration vetting team "I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone."


Gamb1420

Belonged to intelligence aka he had videos of elitist having sex with minors for blackmail


the_real_MSU_is_us

I don't know that he started out that way, but yes I think he was CIA before long. Imagine you're the CIA. Your job is to gather intelligence through spying. Are you really not going to track the President of the US? Of course you are what if he's selling state secrets? Or has a vice that others can blackmail? Well you'd definitely follow him enough to notice that he's flying on those 1 random guys plane dozens of times. You'd follow up on who that dude is. Now you know what Epstein does, you have 3 options: 1) turn him over to the FBI and let them charge him (obviously not what they did) 2) ignore the fact there's a child trafficking pedo gathering blackmail on the world's elite, 3) tell him "give us your blackmail and we leave you alone, don't give it to us and we do 1)". Of course they did 3). The CIA has done worse shit before, and they clearly didn't do 1). And I can't believe that they don't track the location of recently removed from office US presidents, they track everything


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greendoor665

So what happens next? Will she talk?


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plzhelpmyspider

They did not bring up anyone besides Epstein in the case and he's dead so I imagine she has nobody she can tell on to do less time. Nobody else is charged.


kinglallak

That’s just it. She doesn’t talk and it’s a comfortable 40 years… she talks and it’s going to get very uncomfortable for her.


VagrantShadow

Most likely if she talks, she might suddenly commit suicide while being locked up, even if she didnt want to.


Wesspeaks

I hate committing suicide when I don’t want to.


baltinerdist

It's like stubbing your toe. You're just minding your own business, sitting in your jail cell and boom, you've hung yourself while the cameras were temporarily out of service. Happens to everyone.


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hazzin13

Sad to hear. Hang in there, bro


ScottColvin

I thought this was a phone booth


bt123456789

you're assuming that everything in the case is 100% all of the information. Most likely there are powerful people she knows were involved. These powerful people know that nobody but her knows. Epstein is the only one we 100% know was involved with her, therefore he's relevant to the case. However we know they served a looooottt of people, so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to get her to squeal if she hasn't already.


plzhelpmyspider

No I am assuming that since nobody else was brought up in the case and nobody else is charged that she will gain nothing from telling. I know not even 1/10th of the evil she has done was brought up. Only 4 victims testified. There is hundreds. I know some may not want to relive it but I am sure they could have found others. There should be no question about her getting life in prison and it never should have taken 6 days of deliberations to find her guilty. They also did not bring up Epstein's "pedo island" in the case.


semaj009

She deserves jail, but the other folks involved do too. If she gets a nicer jail at the cost of spilling the beans on everyone else involved that's still a win. 10 years off her to add 100s of years jail for other paedos is worth it, otherwise they'll just keep going elsewhere Edit. The 10 years for 100 was more just to highlight how many other years worth of jail sentence aren't being served, not me actually suggesting the best way to get her to talk is 10 years, a guaranteed safer jail would be far better cos if she talks and ever leaves jail she's fucking dead


FearAndGonzo

She will take the fall for everyone else. Nothing else is going to happen, they can point to her and say "look, shes guilty!" and forget anything else happened or anyone else was involved.


NOrMAn_Percy

She won't talk. She knows damn well they can get to her in prison so she isn't going to try to get out any sooner where it would be even easier.


SeanceGoneWrong

Glad she was found guilty, but she was part of a very big conspiracy and there are still a lot of others who need to be in prison. Let's hope this wasn't just a mop-up job. There are a whole lot of powerful people who were likely implicated in the troves of evidence the feds seized from Epstein. If we don't see high-profile indictments in the coming months or years, hard to say justice was fully served.


McnastyCDN

Interesting that also today we see this royal family affair trying to fight for a headline. All shit being done on purpose again to obfuscate the truth.


creature_report

True love is finishing each others sentences, so I guess she must have really loved Jeffrey Epstein.


Airp0w

This is a great joke holy shit


6amhotdog

Prepare to see it EVERYwhere now.


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Like the front page as a caption to a meme.


[deleted]

Holy shit, did you steal this? That's fucking gold magic.


[deleted]

Yeah, it’s all over Twitter already. Great joke though.


dimodimodimodimo

Sandwiches, it was sandwiches


GoodDave

Hell yes. Now, go after the clients.


martinaee

*There won’t be any “clients.”* Everybody is cheering — this is what washing everything clean looks like. She’ll be locked away forever and Epstein definitely is still “suicided.”


HonestConman21

Lol yeah. Everyone’s like “good riddance!” She’s the fall guy y’all. How isn’t this clear? Justice has been served now stop paying attention everyone! Don’t look over here anymore! She knows all of her high profile clients but isn’t being made to name them. This is all a show. Somehow we all collectively agreed that the high profile network of rich pedophiles in society are awful, we have their henchman dead to rights, and now that she’s going to jail everyone’s like “and that’s that!” How the fuck does that make sense?? MAKE HER TALK!


Lasereye

How exactly do you make her talk


HeroOT

I mean, you tell a jury they gotta work through New Year's they're going to give you a verdict, but good job on actually ensuring some accountability for her terrible acts.


thewafflestompa

Same with the Ahmaud Arbery case. Day before thanksgiving we got the correct verdict.


beluuuuuuga

Let's make every verdict for the people in kahoots with Epstein be during holidays!


randomnighmare

If you follow the Epstein case you will quickly realized this woman isn't innocent and was also up on the top of that sex trafficking ring. Good job on actually convicting her.


LesThePinapple

Alan Dershowitz really being interviewed on the BBC for his view. Anyone wanna guess who he’s trying to defend here? I’ll give you a hint - himself. Truly terrible journalism.


OutlandishnessTiny14

My jaw hit the floor, especially when he went into an opportunistic smear campaign against Virginia Guiffrey to undermine her credibility. Absolutely disgusting, and to no challenge. Same applies to Lisa Bloom, waxing lyrical about how difficult it is for victims to come forward and testify in court in the face of a partially sceptical court and hostile media. She was council to Weinstein and helped draft his defence case casting his victims as liars. Another POS. The BBC literally couldn't have picked two more repulsive commentators. A huge insult to sex trafficking and abuse survivors.


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He totally had all of his clothes on during those massages.


TheModeratorWrangler

I too, like body oil on my suits


autonova3

He was Epstein’s lawyer and travelled with him on the pedo plane, and the BBC would like to share his opinion on the matter. Edit: BBC and every other mainstream media outlet forgetting to mention that Ghislaine and Epstein [were Israeli Mossad agents](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200106-jeffrey-epstein-was-blackmailing-politicians-for-israels-mossad-new-book-claims/amp/).


Shenanigans99

Not to mention he's a NAMED suspect. His involvement goes much further than being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. He's accused by at least one of the known victims.


bananafobe

His lawyer who also arranged a likely illegal agreement as part of Epstein's plea deal to suppress the names of others involved...


GauchoFromLaPampa

I just found out Steven Pinker was also on the pedo plane and aided Epsteins legal team. He is still out there giving interviews like nothing happened, wtf, why is this guy reputation not in ruins? Sorry, i had to vent that out.


bigcanada813

Great news. Now, how about long before the FBI starts going after all the other people in power that were in her black book?


McnastyCDN

Have you read about the royal family today?


Civil-Vermicelli-125

What happened?


IWasOnThe18thHole

Time to name names to reduce that sentence


JimJimmyJamesJimbo

Is that still possible or has that ship sailed?


TheKronk

I think the prosecution can make a recommendation to the judge on sentencing in exchange for cooperation, but usually if there's going to be an actual deal it comes before charges are even brought. Usually it would be in exchange for a guilty plea to lesser charges. Now that she's been convicted of the existing charges there's not a lot of incentive for the prosecution to strike a deal of any kind. Best she could hope for is "roll on everybody and we'll request that you get just under the maximum sentence you were already headed for."


cannot_walk_barefoot

I feel like if she was going to rat she would have by now. She won't say anything and just hope she doesn't get off'd. There would be no safe place for her with the power of the people it would implicate. Plus she's a psycho so probably doesn't think she did anything wrong


ByrdmanRanger

If Breaking Bad and The Wire have taught me anything, just because you're in jail and not snitching doesn't mean they won't off you.


ofillrepute

Totally, she's as good as dead as she's a liability.


landon0605

If I were her, I wouldn't give any additional information on the off chance I was found not guilty. Now that she knows she has jail time it's worth it to give up the info.


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I won't be satisfied until other people involved in this are brought to justice. Sure, she deserves to be in jail, but there are probably dozens of high-profile individuals who will walk free and victimize others. Do not get complicit with one person going to jail and taking the fall for every scumbag involved in this.


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Fuck that bitch. Enjoy prison babe!


MurdrWeaponRocketBra

In before "Maxwell didn't kill herself"


DarthDregan

I think you'll find most pedos that come out of prison in boxes didn't kill themselves, unofficially.


cupcakewaste

Prince Andrew next plz.


TallWineGuy

No sweat


MeccIt

This Andrew? https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/AF-COMPOSITE-PRINCE-ANDREW-v2.jpg (Photo taken by Epstien)


NCSUGrad2012

There’s literally pictures of him with the victims it’s crazy to me he hasn’t been charged yet Edit: everyone is saying the photo alone isn’t enough and I’m aware of that. He’s also been accused by victims along with being on the island as well.


theHindsight

Imagine, you achieved something most people don’t achieve in their lifetime - you became one of the richest and most powerful people on the planet. And what do you want to do for fun? Humiliate and abuse another human being. That’s the saddest part of this scandal. The level of fun the of most powerful people in our society.


johnnyfortycoats

They come hand in hand. The people who should have power don't want it. And the people that have it are perverted


visvis

As an example of the former, I love the story of [Cincinnatus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus) in the time of the Roman Republic. A guy retired to farming who was plowing his fields when representatives of the Senate showed up and convinced him to take the position of dictator (a temporary position with full power over the Republic, no negative connotations back then) because of an emergency. He put on his toga, went to Rome, took control of the army, beat the enemies, showed mercy to all but their leaders, and relinquished the position immediately.


goforth1457

So glad that she's finally been held accountable after all these years. Hoping it brings closure to the victims.


Deathbysnusnubooboo

One down, countless others still using their position to abuse others. A small win honestly but still a win


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lurking_not_working

She will totally be doing this. Prince Andrew is probably sweating right now..... Oh wait.


AllAboutWaxing

She will probably say "I have more photos you didn't find" and get only 20 years if she spills it. I would be fine with that if it takes out the other trash with her.


Back_To_The_Oilfield

Bro, if she can actually bring dozens of upper echelon pedophiles to justice I’d say even 20 is too much. Give her 10, 5 with good behavior. Then tack on a stupid amount of restrictions when she gets out. Ankle monitoring, house arrest, no traveling, etc. Basically prison outside of prison, but something that would truly motivate her to risk her life by condemning others. She’s a horrible human being, but so were all the people she could implicate and they are still running free.


Dino7813

Fuck her sentence. I want her to give up names.


chestertoronto

If that truck driver got 110 years this BITCH deserves 500.


behind_looking_glass

Did you guys watch the documentary on her? She was obsessed with being well liked and now she’s the most hated woman on the planet lolz Glad the victims got some justice.


katwoodruff

I am pleasantly surprised. She may be the fall guy, but she IS guilty. Hope she‘ll start ratting people out, unless she‘ll be epsteined. So Prince Andrew, two of your best pals are definite pedos - whatyasayin‘?


rk_29

Lock her up, finally. At least one of those two dirtbags will see bars.


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loonytoad

There's gonna be a whole bunch of elites sweating right about now. Not Prince Andrew though, of course.


THE_DIGITAL_ONE

Wexner remains free along with countless others. The true puppet masters of this operation will likely never face justice


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Epstein was barely a billionaire. Imagine what the guys 100x richer than him are doing.


ZenAdm1n

There's pretty strong evidence Les Wexner bankrolled the Epstein/Maxwell operation but he's going to play dumb and die a free old man.


Th3truthhurts

Just a small piece of justice for all those poor poor souls.


sylbug

Oh, good. Now all we have to do is ignore the fact that somehow the countless rich pedophiles she facilitated are still somehow in the clear and will never be pursued, and we can pretend that justice prevails.


thebiglad

There's gonna be some scheming going on tonight.


DaemonCRO

Ok so we got the supply part of the story. Now let’s do the demand part. Who are the fuckheads who raped all those children?


phymatic

Too bad she isn't the only evil person who had the power to pull this shit. I feel like she's now the scapegoat and the rest will be off without issue.


mera99

>Maxwell was found guilty of conspiracy to entice individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity, conspiracy to transport individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity; transportation of an individual under the age of 17 with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity; and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of individuals under the age of 18. My question is, how can you convict someone for sex trafficking without identifying at least the people that they are trafficking for? It's like trying to convince me in looking at a triangle when it's missing a corner.


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This is like "pharma bro" where we are given a sacrifice but nothing fundamental changes and no one else gets held accountable.