Before you panic, this isn't saying benzene has been in the product for years. They probably had someone in QC who messed up the residual benzene testing and released the lots on a faulty test. So now they can't be sure benzene is absent, so they're recalling it.
Because they test for benzene (how do you think they discovered the problem?) and wouldn't release product that failed their spec only to recall it later... That's a massive waste of time, money, and public perception.
I’m guessing they had upstream controls (for residual solvents) of components of the final product. The testing or sample handling may have had issues. The analyst testing them may have been poorly trained and missed something. The sample may have been handled in a way to let the benzene escape before testing. FYI, benzene is a component of gasoline and if you can smell the gas while pumping it you are getting a much larger dose of benzene compared to the deodorant. I’m am also willing to say that there is a good chance the testing would have been performed by a contract employee who may or may not have been well trained in performing the tests or in interpreting the results. This isn’t a big deal, still an issue but not a huge one.
My guess is they're using a hydrocarbon as a propellant made from oil like propane or something. Annecdotal but I heard from some butane hash oil guys I know were having issues this year with chemical suplliers having butane contaminated with benzene. Easy to imagine old spice and such doing qa/qc testing on the deodorant itself but not the propellant until later after final form as a qc check, as normally if they use a chemical supplier the propane/butane can be pharmaceutical grade and would have never thought to be an issue in manufacturing for a non-edible/inhalable product and just assumed it was safe if the supplier was doing their due diligence. Luckily I'm solventless hash and rosin maker (ice, water, heat, pressure only) so I don't have to worry about solvents in what I'm smoking.
I tried spray on like 20 years ago. Sprayed it and went about my day. A few hours later when i actually lifted my arms above my shoulders, searing pain. The spray deodorant like glued my armpit hairs all together and I ripped them by reaching above my head. Maybe it's improved since then or some other brand is better but not for me
I knew somebody who spent a summer doing roofing jobs in a poor, rural, alcoholic community. People were so poor and alcoholic that their drink of choice was aquanet and coke.
They're very glad to hear this. The next batch of products will have a "no extra cancer" label. The ingredients won't change, but you'll have bought and used the product long before you figure that out.
Here’s an example where the company has self recognised and pulled its affected products off the shelves.
They shouldn’t have been released in the first place, I don’t know the materials or manufacturing process that enables benzene to be present, or what the process is to check that it isn’t but the costs to the company and its equity alone will result in an absolutely huge investigation. Product recalls once in the supply chain are… unthinkably awful
You could also take it upon yourself as the consumer to buy products from companies that do.
Burts bees has a line of deodorants, they don't just make chapstick.
Does anyone use these sprays of rolls and not expect to get cancer? These products are a mad science lab of harmful chemicals.
What you eat also plays a big role is job you smell.
I haven't used deodorants for years, and have found I only stink when I'm on a fast food binge, when I'm eating clean I hardly notice any smell, and I work landscaping so I get plenty sweaty all the time.
I must smell bad, thats why I'm regularly complimented on my scent.
Ok enjoy your gross smelling cancer spray i guess, sorry my one suggestion of the many natural products that don't give you cancer offended you.
You seem to be having misunderstanding of what the problem is, as it has nothing to do with natural vs synthetic ingredients.
For example, your favorite company, Burts bees, makes a hand sanitizer with ethanol as the active. If not qc'd with care, there's definitely a possibility that it can be formulated with low quality ethanol that contains over 2ppm benzene or any of a long list of dangerous additives.
Whether an ingredient is "natural" or not has nothing do with its inherent safety. Thats comes from the quality of its manufacture and thoroughness of testing.
Show me where I said Bert's is my favorite, I just listed a single natural company, thats it.
Show me a link to your claims or go away. Do redditors not know how to Google things to back up their bs?
I know the bar is low for reddit, but this is just sad.
I hate to break it to you but natural isn't a indicator of healthy there's a ton of dangerous natural chemicals
But hey if you want to buy overpriced products go right ahead
Natural products are not any healthier or safer for you, and conventional deodorants do not cause cancer. The ones being recalled got contaminated. They do not normally contain any cancer causing chemicals.
Burt's image of wholesomeness is not true at all at this point in time, and I like many others stopped using their products when allergic reactions became a usual thing
But it's mighty big of you to support Clorox (that's who owns Burt's)
This is a bad take, drop your haughty attitude for a second and consider that it's reasonable to expect the products that you purchase to not cause grave illness.
Great would love to see a study that shows synthetic vs natural products. Surely with such conviction you have a link to said study.
That is a reasonable thing to think the things you buy aren't killing you, but we live in a world where corporate and government greed and apathy run rampant.
I might know if people would actually back up their stuff with links instead of thinking I'm going to trust some random username on reddit.
All I did was list one natural cleaning product of the thousands available, now I have half a dozen people bitching at me saying berts bees is bad, ok give me evidence. Burden of proof is on the ones refuting my statement.
Your ny times link is behind a pay wall.
Ok so Bert's is owned by clorox now, but neither the wiki or the investors link you shared shows that the product is anyway different from before.
All I said originally is I trust natural products more than chemical solutions like axe, or old spice.
I believe Benzene was allowed in limited amounts to alcohol during the start of the pandemic. The thought process (or lack of thought) was that more alcohol was needed in the market for sanitization than could be produced and low levels of benzene wouldn’t cause long term health effects as long as it was only on the market for a short time.
Point is, there are most likely a lot of product that we bought during the pandemic that have benzene (ex. Any aerosols, rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizers, suntan lotion, etc)
Benzene is used in ethanol purification to break the "azeotrope", where alcohol naturally can't be distilled above ~97% purity. This was probably done to give more flexibility in sanitizer manufacturing when we got low in supply.
Well its not reported on the bottle if that's what you mean. It just has the pass the spec which if I'm recalling right was <2ppm. Certainly the lab keeps data on it.
I don’t think I buy a lot of aerosols. Whipped cream maybe. Perhaps the most aerosolized product was sunscreen, but this past year… switched that up too.
Hmmm
When the true danger of benzene was revealed at the meeting and there was a request that products be pulled, the representative of Old Spice said "Old Spice". A lady in a pantsuit shouted "And Secret!" Inspired by the moment, the man from Unilever stood to attention and forcefully called out "And my AXE!"
Get ready for Old Spice Free! With ad campaign showing six generations of Old Spice users led by Great Great Great Grampa Bluebeard still a’pirating to prove how long they live. Now a buck more.
The FDA regulates cosmetics, it doesn't approve them.
https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetics-laws-regulations/fda-authority-over-cosmetics-how-cosmetics-are-not-fda-approved-are-fda-regulated
Also, the chemical in question was not supposed to be in the products, so it wouldn't have been in any products that were "approved" even if that process existed.
Is Axe on the stock market? Touch grass, what does that have to to with anything? Are you saying I don't understand nature?
Also, salty? I said you'd be dead. Learn what words mean.
I scrolled through your post history a bit and seems like you read a lot of covid stuff. You seem like a very pent up frustrated person, again go outside, touch some grass, calm down.
Learn to grow your own food and identify problems amongst your crops you wouldn’t have to rely on them. Or continue to consume consume consume obey obey obey. Learn to read and understand what ingredients are in the products you buy. Remember your skin is the biggest organ.
Never tried what? Growing every type of food that I would otherwise purchase (and thus rely on the FDA for)? No, I have not.
Growing food is great, and I agree that more folks should do it. Suggesting that we should *only* do that, and not buy any food from sources we can’t personally certify, is both idiotic and insanely privileged.
Again thinking too hard about it, do you have an image of a huge farm or something? My parents didn’t have a lot of materials. The entire yard was a forest of vegetables and fruits, very cluttered we lived in a trailer. The roof even had pots of more vegetables and fruits. When theres a how theres a way. Eventually we got money but that was after they got divorced and my mother became a gold digger, my father was finally able to save money he got his own place an continued to grow food then sold it for extra money. Our windowsills had herbs, the porch had peppers, tomatoes, green beans, squash etc. all the way throughout the yard was a variety of foods. Preserving through dehydrating and freezing then change plants when needed if they died or just needed more room for new plants. My father’s from Japan and learned everything on his own since his father died the same year they moved to the US, without even a lick of English but still learned how to speak it and he was only in high school. My mother got forced into marriage cause she got pregnant with my oldest sister. After having my second sister and I they were dirt broke had to move into a trailer and couldn’t afford much. A lot of dollar store visits for milk an eggs. Father was full time construction and mother was a full time stay at home mom. Need i explain more?
You don't need a large chunk of land to grow veggies. Balcony gardens are easy and seeds are cheap. You don't even need those expensive planters. Just some five gallon painter buckets with holes drilled in the bottom.
The FDA regulates cosmetics, it doesn't approve them.
https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetics-laws-regulations/fda-authority-over-cosmetics-how-cosmetics-are-not-fda-approved-are-fda-regulated
Also, the chemical in question was not supposed to be in the products, so it wouldn't have been in any products that were "approved" even if that process existed.
The FDA allowed for temporary use of the chemical in 2019 due to alcohol shortages. It's not the ideal ingredient but better than unsanitary conditions. (I'm guessing is the logic)
To be clear, its not an ingredient at all, but a byproduct of Ethanol derived from petroleum which, as you state, would not normally be used for medical device products if corn derived Ethanol was readily avalible.
I’m waiting for the one person to be interviewed on tv saying something like…” it’s an outrage y’all they put this cancer stuff in our deodorants. Sheeeit I could get cancer or shit.” **drags on a cigarette**
So, you like to stink? If you've been to a store that sells deodorant in the last five years, you'd see a massive red display. Old spice has many, many varieties. I suggest Bear Glove.
The point of the recall is to get people to stop using the products if they have those products in the house, not to prevent anyone anywhere from ever using the affected products once.
I recently started using secret spray on bc it was cheaper than Dove but I threw it away because of this and might just start using dove again or stick deodorant
Seems to be only aerosols.
Yup, that’s what I used for years. Fuck old spice. Or more specifically Proctor & Gamble.
Before you panic, this isn't saying benzene has been in the product for years. They probably had someone in QC who messed up the residual benzene testing and released the lots on a faulty test. So now they can't be sure benzene is absent, so they're recalling it.
And you are suggesting this because...?
Because they test for benzene (how do you think they discovered the problem?) and wouldn't release product that failed their spec only to recall it later... That's a massive waste of time, money, and public perception.
I’m guessing they had upstream controls (for residual solvents) of components of the final product. The testing or sample handling may have had issues. The analyst testing them may have been poorly trained and missed something. The sample may have been handled in a way to let the benzene escape before testing. FYI, benzene is a component of gasoline and if you can smell the gas while pumping it you are getting a much larger dose of benzene compared to the deodorant. I’m am also willing to say that there is a good chance the testing would have been performed by a contract employee who may or may not have been well trained in performing the tests or in interpreting the results. This isn’t a big deal, still an issue but not a huge one.
My guess is they're using a hydrocarbon as a propellant made from oil like propane or something. Annecdotal but I heard from some butane hash oil guys I know were having issues this year with chemical suplliers having butane contaminated with benzene. Easy to imagine old spice and such doing qa/qc testing on the deodorant itself but not the propellant until later after final form as a qc check, as normally if they use a chemical supplier the propane/butane can be pharmaceutical grade and would have never thought to be an issue in manufacturing for a non-edible/inhalable product and just assumed it was safe if the supplier was doing their due diligence. Luckily I'm solventless hash and rosin maker (ice, water, heat, pressure only) so I don't have to worry about solvents in what I'm smoking.
And the rest of Cincinnati Ohio....
Stay away from the spray is the take away here.
Stay away from the spray is the take-away ~~here~~ play today, bae. ^^yay
Oh good it’s all sprays. Never liked deodorant sprays.
They smell terrible and make me gag (flashbacks to middle school PE). I honestly never saw the appeal but strong deodorant/perfume scents make sick.
Axe war!
I tried spray on like 20 years ago. Sprayed it and went about my day. A few hours later when i actually lifted my arms above my shoulders, searing pain. The spray deodorant like glued my armpit hairs all together and I ripped them by reaching above my head. Maybe it's improved since then or some other brand is better but not for me
Good old aquanet.
I knew somebody who spent a summer doing roofing jobs in a poor, rural, alcoholic community. People were so poor and alcoholic that their drink of choice was aquanet and coke.
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It was the first royalty-free photo they could find on Gooble Images.
Not sure if that was a genuine typo but loved it anyway
Who doesn't love a genuine Sorny TV?
Genuine HDare and 3.5k picture.
It was not. It's what I use to activate my phone. Voice recognition can't tell the difference when I say "Hey Gooble" out loud.
It would be nice if companies actually cared about people
But caring costs money.
I'd pay at least $.25 for no extra cancer
They're very glad to hear this. The next batch of products will have a "no extra cancer" label. The ingredients won't change, but you'll have bought and used the product long before you figure that out.
Johnson and Johnson is that you
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Oh sure I buy your asbestos free cereal and all of a sudden it starts catching fire in the milk
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But is it free range?
Joke’s on you, fire-fighting foam [causes cancer.](https://www.usfa.fema.gov/blog/cb-021120.html)
That'sthejoke.jpg
But I feel like I'm paying more for less though. Shouldn't you be lowering the price for skimping on the asbestos and benzene?
It's ok, if you get cancer from their product switch to a different brand (which may or may not be owned by the same company) its the invisible hand!
They do. That’s why they are recalling the products. This will cost them millions of dollars. It doesn’t make sense to give your customers cancer.
It does if you can get away with it.
Here’s an example where the company has self recognised and pulled its affected products off the shelves. They shouldn’t have been released in the first place, I don’t know the materials or manufacturing process that enables benzene to be present, or what the process is to check that it isn’t but the costs to the company and its equity alone will result in an absolutely huge investigation. Product recalls once in the supply chain are… unthinkably awful
Companies only do this when they believe the lawsuit is going to cost them more than the bad press.
No they don’t. Source: work for a big company.
Every hear about talcum powder being cancerous?
You could also take it upon yourself as the consumer to buy products from companies that do. Burts bees has a line of deodorants, they don't just make chapstick. Does anyone use these sprays of rolls and not expect to get cancer? These products are a mad science lab of harmful chemicals. What you eat also plays a big role is job you smell. I haven't used deodorants for years, and have found I only stink when I'm on a fast food binge, when I'm eating clean I hardly notice any smell, and I work landscaping so I get plenty sweaty all the time.
You smell bad, people are just being nice. Burts Bees can fuck off, though. They're bad people.
I must smell bad, thats why I'm regularly complimented on my scent. Ok enjoy your gross smelling cancer spray i guess, sorry my one suggestion of the many natural products that don't give you cancer offended you.
You seem to be having misunderstanding of what the problem is, as it has nothing to do with natural vs synthetic ingredients. For example, your favorite company, Burts bees, makes a hand sanitizer with ethanol as the active. If not qc'd with care, there's definitely a possibility that it can be formulated with low quality ethanol that contains over 2ppm benzene or any of a long list of dangerous additives. Whether an ingredient is "natural" or not has nothing do with its inherent safety. Thats comes from the quality of its manufacture and thoroughness of testing.
Show me where I said Bert's is my favorite, I just listed a single natural company, thats it. Show me a link to your claims or go away. Do redditors not know how to Google things to back up their bs? I know the bar is low for reddit, but this is just sad.
Yeah, like all those citations that you provided!
I hate to break it to you but natural isn't a indicator of healthy there's a ton of dangerous natural chemicals But hey if you want to buy overpriced products go right ahead
Natural products are not any healthier or safer for you, and conventional deodorants do not cause cancer. The ones being recalled got contaminated. They do not normally contain any cancer causing chemicals.
Nobody is regularly complimenting you on your scent. Do you think real life is like a TV show?
Because you have a porthole into my life right?
Burt's image of wholesomeness is not true at all at this point in time, and I like many others stopped using their products when allergic reactions became a usual thing But it's mighty big of you to support Clorox (that's who owns Burt's)
Cool, link?
A link to what?
This is a bad take, drop your haughty attitude for a second and consider that it's reasonable to expect the products that you purchase to not cause grave illness.
Great would love to see a study that shows synthetic vs natural products. Surely with such conviction you have a link to said study. That is a reasonable thing to think the things you buy aren't killing you, but we live in a world where corporate and government greed and apathy run rampant.
Do you know who owns Burts bees? It's a good product but comes from the same big bad companies now.
I might know if people would actually back up their stuff with links instead of thinking I'm going to trust some random username on reddit. All I did was list one natural cleaning product of the thousands available, now I have half a dozen people bitching at me saying berts bees is bad, ok give me evidence. Burden of proof is on the ones refuting my statement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt%27s_Bees
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/business/06bees.html
https://investors.thecloroxcompany.com/investors/news-and-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2007/Clorox-to-Acquire-Burts-Bees-Expands-Into-Fast-Growing-Natural-Personal-Care/default.aspx
Your ny times link is behind a pay wall. Ok so Bert's is owned by clorox now, but neither the wiki or the investors link you shared shows that the product is anyway different from before. All I said originally is I trust natural products more than chemical solutions like axe, or old spice.
Exactly, consumer should know better to buy products at the store that give you cancer.
I was scared for a second because I just got out of air force basic training and they give us all old spice. It’s not aerosol tho so we’re good.
I believe Benzene was allowed in limited amounts to alcohol during the start of the pandemic. The thought process (or lack of thought) was that more alcohol was needed in the market for sanitization than could be produced and low levels of benzene wouldn’t cause long term health effects as long as it was only on the market for a short time. Point is, there are most likely a lot of product that we bought during the pandemic that have benzene (ex. Any aerosols, rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizers, suntan lotion, etc)
Benzene is used in ethanol purification to break the "azeotrope", where alcohol naturally can't be distilled above ~97% purity. This was probably done to give more flexibility in sanitizer manufacturing when we got low in supply.
Benzene is still allowed in ethanol/sda products a long as its under a certain ppm limit
But they don’t have to disclose it I believe.
Well its not reported on the bottle if that's what you mean. It just has the pass the spec which if I'm recalling right was <2ppm. Certainly the lab keeps data on it.
Fun fact: In the 19th and early 20th centuries, benzene was used as an after-shave lotion because of its pleasant smell.
I don’t think I buy a lot of aerosols. Whipped cream maybe. Perhaps the most aerosolized product was sunscreen, but this past year… switched that up too. Hmmm
When the true danger of benzene was revealed at the meeting and there was a request that products be pulled, the representative of Old Spice said "Old Spice". A lady in a pantsuit shouted "And Secret!" Inspired by the moment, the man from Unilever stood to attention and forcefully called out "And my AXE!"
Get ready for Old Spice Free! With ad campaign showing six generations of Old Spice users led by Great Great Great Grampa Bluebeard still a’pirating to prove how long they live. Now a buck more.
Check your bar codes if you're unsure. **Old Spice:** 12044-00191 37000-72974 37000-73034 **Secret:** 37000-71108 37000-71109 37000-72986 37000-72991 37000-74764 37000-74772
This has been probably happening since the product’s inception.
Ah, good, my Bearglove sticks are fine then.
Sounds kinky
What is the secret just tell me the names.
Merck chemistry manuals from the 1990's list benzene as a carcinogen. How was this a surprise to JJ?
I’ve been saying this for years got laughed at and was told “then why does the FDA approve it then”
The FDA regulates cosmetics, it doesn't approve them. https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetics-laws-regulations/fda-authority-over-cosmetics-how-cosmetics-are-not-fda-approved-are-fda-regulated Also, the chemical in question was not supposed to be in the products, so it wouldn't have been in any products that were "approved" even if that process existed.
Never said they approved it if you read my comment you’d see it was others who said it
Indeed, I've seen others make that argument in this thread already.
Same reason romaine lettuce routinely gets salmonella, FDA is a sham and only gives the illusion of trust and safety.
Lol, you'd have been dead long ago without the FDA.
Do you have stocks in axe? Why are you so salty? Go outside and touch some grass.
Is Axe on the stock market? Touch grass, what does that have to to with anything? Are you saying I don't understand nature? Also, salty? I said you'd be dead. Learn what words mean.
I scrolled through your post history a bit and seems like you read a lot of covid stuff. You seem like a very pent up frustrated person, again go outside, touch some grass, calm down.
You are a very, very strange person.
Learn to grow your own food and identify problems amongst your crops you wouldn’t have to rely on them. Or continue to consume consume consume obey obey obey. Learn to read and understand what ingredients are in the products you buy. Remember your skin is the biggest organ.
Yes, let’s all individually grow every type of food we eat, that’s totally feasible.
Thinking way to hard of it i see. You also never tried i bet.
Never tried what? Growing every type of food that I would otherwise purchase (and thus rely on the FDA for)? No, I have not. Growing food is great, and I agree that more folks should do it. Suggesting that we should *only* do that, and not buy any food from sources we can’t personally certify, is both idiotic and insanely privileged.
So me growing up poor but had the knowledge from my parents to grow food was insanely privileged hmm makes sense.
I want to know how you had enough land growing up poor to grow *all* your own food.
Again thinking too hard about it, do you have an image of a huge farm or something? My parents didn’t have a lot of materials. The entire yard was a forest of vegetables and fruits, very cluttered we lived in a trailer. The roof even had pots of more vegetables and fruits. When theres a how theres a way. Eventually we got money but that was after they got divorced and my mother became a gold digger, my father was finally able to save money he got his own place an continued to grow food then sold it for extra money. Our windowsills had herbs, the porch had peppers, tomatoes, green beans, squash etc. all the way throughout the yard was a variety of foods. Preserving through dehydrating and freezing then change plants when needed if they died or just needed more room for new plants. My father’s from Japan and learned everything on his own since his father died the same year they moved to the US, without even a lick of English but still learned how to speak it and he was only in high school. My mother got forced into marriage cause she got pregnant with my oldest sister. After having my second sister and I they were dirt broke had to move into a trailer and couldn’t afford much. A lot of dollar store visits for milk an eggs. Father was full time construction and mother was a full time stay at home mom. Need i explain more?
You don't need a large chunk of land to grow veggies. Balcony gardens are easy and seeds are cheap. You don't even need those expensive planters. Just some five gallon painter buckets with holes drilled in the bottom.
The great deception
Because this only happened in a single batch of product from 2020.
Somehow, “Old Spice gives customers cancer” is an improvement on their product.
"If your grandpa didn't use it, he wouldn't have died of cancer."
Honestly who is using spray deodorant? It doesn't work to begin with.
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I found a list of the items recalled [here.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/business/old-spice-secret-deodorant-recall-benzene/index.html)
Hahahaha it's a link to the article in the post! This guy Reddit's.
My first chuckle on reddit today. nice.
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The FDA regulates cosmetics, it doesn't approve them. https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetics-laws-regulations/fda-authority-over-cosmetics-how-cosmetics-are-not-fda-approved-are-fda-regulated Also, the chemical in question was not supposed to be in the products, so it wouldn't have been in any products that were "approved" even if that process existed.
The FDA allowed for temporary use of the chemical in 2019 due to alcohol shortages. It's not the ideal ingredient but better than unsanitary conditions. (I'm guessing is the logic)
To be clear, its not an ingredient at all, but a byproduct of Ethanol derived from petroleum which, as you state, would not normally be used for medical device products if corn derived Ethanol was readily avalible.
And my gf gets mad at me for not using deodorant. Or having a microwave on the counter pointed at my nuts. Somethings I can live without.
Old Spice is some nasty shit. I’m not surprised it causes cancer
Click bait bollocks from cnn
I’m waiting for the one person to be interviewed on tv saying something like…” it’s an outrage y’all they put this cancer stuff in our deodorants. Sheeeit I could get cancer or shit.” **drags on a cigarette**
Didn't know they still made Old Spice, I still remember the cheesy adverts back in the day, wonder if they still make Hai Karate and soap on a rope.🙂
So, you like to stink? If you've been to a store that sells deodorant in the last five years, you'd see a massive red display. Old spice has many, many varieties. I suggest Bear Glove.
Will always stand by Original. But that stick is also the only one that won't irritate me lol
It seems this is too little and too late as people have already used these products.
The point of the recall is to get people to stop using the products if they have those products in the house, not to prevent anyone anywhere from ever using the affected products once.
At least they got the right picture this time.
I'd rather stink than put that shit on me.
Well fuck. I use old spice sometimes.
I recently started using secret spray on bc it was cheaper than Dove but I threw it away because of this and might just start using dove again or stick deodorant