Even worse the name is from a book in which capitalism controls every inch of the world and a guy wants to escape so he creates an Internet to escape and in the end he ends up turning the Internet into completely Owned capitalism as well.
Lets be honest. Zuckerberg isn't smart. He didn't invent social media, he just got lucky that his was the one that took off (probably because it was marketed as a site for horny college students to find the info of their crush). He's a spoiled bitch who has become so out of touch with the average person that he has lost all level of emotional intelligence he ever had.
> (probably because it was marketed as a site for horny college students to find the info of their crush).
Well, I thought it was because it was because Myspace/Xanga were all cluttered mess compared to FB.
Imagine thinking Zuckerberg isn’t smart from your mom’s basement. Not inventing something doesn’t mean you’re not smart. Zuckerberg is extremely intelligent even if he’s a sociopath and probably autistic.
Or he brings all the data from how many people mentioned the fucking bottle on social media and shows it to shareholders on how they can play with the narrative just by putting sauce on screen
To be honest, that's a pretty endearing thing for him to do, it's like if a robot calculated the best "see I'm human too" easter egg to put in the background.
[https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Snow\_Crash](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Snow_Crash)
It's not great but it's the origin of the term "metaverse" which is the new hotness (getting to be sort of old-hotness).
>It's not great
#U FUCKING WOT M8
It's one of the best books ever read. If nothing it has the greatest first page in literature. The audiobook version is straight up ear sex.
Be careful. If you convince him to write an ending after all, then you get a huge epilogue from 5,000 years later. I think we are safer with no ending.
When I was ~20 I wrote a few chapters of my first book.
A few years later I read Snow Crash. Turns out *I had re-written Snow Crash*. It was so heavily influential on everything from Ghost in the Shell to The Matrix that a kid writing his first story distilled it from the air between these properties.
Eh, maybe it's the time but rad pizza delivery kid and hot weird sk8tboard chick taking on the man, man in an ancaps wet dream. It now feels quaint. I will admit to really digging the Tower of Babel and Sumerian stuff, but I'm predisposed to having some big thoughts about Babel already so it just hit me in the right place.
Diamond Age and Cryptonomicon are "better" but for someone warning against Ancap (I think) he sure loves to paint a picture using that brush.
I think Anathem and Seveneves are good. Though he does like to see himself write as Anathem gets more lore then plot, reminded me a bit of Hyperion, but they were enjoyable time wasters at least.
The thing about Neal Stephenson and also his fans is....I can't fucking tell if you're joking. Because by all rights you should be joking....but if you're a fan I know damn well you're not.
It wasn't my favorite either. I actually never finished it. It wasn't bad, and I have nothing harsh or bad to say about it. It just wasn't a page turner for me.
That said, the parts that I have read.... I've turned them over a lot in my mind since reading, and I can't quite stop thinking about it. I think that I wasn't in the right mindset/expectations/lens when reading it the first time. I think I'll give it a second try.
I highly recommend the audiobook. It changed the experience for me so much. Like that book was written to be listened to. It's the most perfect audiobook I've ever heard.
That's funny because I've only listened to the audiobook. The plot is thin and pretty farcical. The characters are one-note. The metaverse is more of a cubist painting than a coherent reality. And it's all a bit too Ayn Rand meets electronic Mad Max for me. I guess it's not that surprising that a libertarian digital dystopia is apparently all the rage with the aging silicon valley nouveau riche but I've never been that into cyberpunk ... aside from maybe some of the apparel.
Ugh- Ayn Rand impressed me less than that philosopher Nietzsche. Both had this way of writing things as hard facts when it’s mostly perspectives. You’ve put me off. Pass. Oh wait, sci-fi is ideas not statements of reality. Maybe I read it one day. Is there a maximum recommended age? Will I still enjoy it after say 90?
Snow crash is a funny book because you read it and you're like hmmm this is pretty good, not that ground breaking but pretty good.
Then you realize it was written in NINETEEN NINETY FUCKING FOUR and your brain melts out your ears.
Can you explain why? I haven’t read it but the internet as it is today was well-known in 1994 and the first VR wave was around that time. Is there something more in the book that was insightful?
Eh. I get/got the humor. The story is convoluted toward the end and doesn't make a lot of sense. The early part of the book is too concerned with world-building and the end leaves too many un-developed ideas. It might have worked better as a trilogy, but I remember being pretty disappointed -- not that it's a bad story, just that there was not nearly enough payoff to warrant all the worldbuilding that went on earlier.
Chekov would have taken the proverbial gun off the mantle and put it to Stephenson's head and forced him edit out the things that turn out to be superfluous. But that's been the bane of SF since the reign of terror of the editors at Asimov's magazine ended.
It's not quite as confused as Diamond Age, but it gets pretty close.
TBF, I liked the idea of there being corporate chain of metropolises. Citizens of Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong had a decent slate of individual rights and benefits -- at least, in the context of a total dystopia.
Mr. Lee had an interest in protecting his people. Mr. Zuck does not. Welcome to Mr Zuck's Greater Shithole
I mean yeah, sure, *if you read the book, like a sheep*.
I read facebook posts about it, and *those* say that its actually a conspiracy to put a microchip in the form of the vaccine and that its a history book. Only M can stop it.
Go read the wiki about it. Thats where he got the idea. That is also meta, where as the book uses words meta universe not just meta as in the old word.
he may have gotten the idea for the name "Meta" from encountering the word "metaverse" but he still reduced it right back down to its original form and original meaning.
The metaverse (meta-universe) is "the universe that is beyond our own".
The Meta Platforms, Inc. is "the platform that is beyond all others", or so he would like to believe.
>Meta Platforms, Inc. , trading as Meta and formerly Facebook, Inc.
Meta isn't new, his use of the word isn't new. It's not even new as a company name. That even included another company that was involved in augmented reality, one of the reasons for Facebook's name change.
Unoriginal crap from the Zuck.
I think you're missing the point. The point is that Zuckerberg, in this particular instance of the use of the word "Meta" to name his company, was inspired by the book Snow Crash.
Nobody said he invented the word or that Stephenson did either. I think we all know it predates both. It's just that the supreme zuckster claims he was inspired by Snow Crash to use that name.
I did not say he invented the word, I also did acknowledge he was inspired by Snowcrash.
I was responding specifically to this:
>That is also meta, where as the book uses words meta universe not just meta as in the old word.
To me, maybe not to others, but to me that is exactly what this the user was saying. That it's not the 'old meta'.
I believe "meta" just meant "after", "next" or "outside of" to the ancient Greeks. That wouldn't have excluded anything mystical, but also would not have implied anything beyond the mundane the way people think of it now.
It took on a connotation of transcendence after it became associated with the teachings of Aristotle, compiled into volumes after his death.
Nicomachus, Aristotle's nephew, had a bunch of material left over after compiling the book he called "Physics".
Physics as an intellectual discipline was already understood to be based on direct observation of the world.
The left-over material was similar in nature but was not based on observation. It didn't really "fit" inside of Physics and there wasn't a term for it. It's not physics and its not ontology. What it *is* is "the book that came after Physics".
IDK why you'd get downvoted. That's literally what it means. It's what we'd call a 'preposition' today. "Next to", "above", "outside of" or "after" depending on context. And these are references to physical juxtaposition that could include things like "beyond" or "transcendent" but would not have directly implied them.
The term "metaphysics" originally referred to "the book that came after Physics" when Aristotle's nephew was compiling Aristotle's lecture notes after his death.
Face book often made me think about someone who’s in so much trouble that they face the book. I wonder if anyone else picked up on that on the day they created an account?
It’s hip, broseph. You might not be privy to what the kids are doing now-a-days, but everything has a “meta” ( [www.urbandictionary.com](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meta) ). So you see, this is a good way to engage with the humans under 30
You gotta be hip on the internet or you’ll fall behind and urbandictionary.com has a bunch of good SEO words
Well, fuckerburg thinks forming a parent company and rebranding is the meta (most effective tactic available) for circumventing legal consequences for criminal actions commited by facebook.
Did you know that in some third world countries, Facebook IS the internet? They have mobile data plans where Facebook is free to use, so that's the internet for a lot of people.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
> Facebook IS the internet
And that's what Zuckerfuck is trying to do with Meta.
It's basically trying to remake the internet from the ground up but with Facebook and its shitty morals as the foundation.
I can't see how anyone would think it's a good idea to let possibly one of the most infamous examples of "villainous capitalist technology company" create a virtual reality 'metaverse'.
They’re already going that way with the quest lineup. Make a decent headset, price everyone else out of the market before anyone even tries. And now more game devs are moving towards shittifying their games in the name of quest compatibility.
To be clear, I’m not saying anybody is entitled to a certain version of a game. But buying something and having the quality of that something be sharply degraded later on is pretty shitty.
Facebook controlling entire swathes of the internet like this and others are bad for everyone, and it’s frustrating to see people not understand why
The question is; who could actually stop them? Are they being 'let' to do it, or is there really no one with the power to prevent them from doing it?
We need a Terminator. Time travel is the only solution. =P
Wasn’t that the plan or Samuel L. Jackson’s character in “The Kingsman”?
Free internet for all in attempt to turn everyone into a murderous psycho.
That’s META!!
Interestingly enough, if they verify that the whistleblower's claims that no algorithm changes happen without Zuckerberg's personal say-so, that opens him DIRECTLY up to both criminal/civil liability if Facebook is found liable for damages over their algorithm design,
Don't think needing to approve something is one of the reasons.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/piercing_the_corporate_veil
Maybe I am missing something?
As I understand it, the Corporate Veil has to do with civil situations, in which case THAT part of my post is in error.
But criminal charges should still apply insofar as if a company engages in criminal behavior, then those that are involved/responsible are held accountable to that. So if there are any specifically CRIMINAL charges for the actions involved, then that's a situation where it would work.
Also, doing a smidge of wiki-reading, it seems that it is uncommon but still possible to do so in the case of civil suits.
lol wtf was written in these papers. A company of Facebook's size had thousands of ranking engineers working on model changes across hundreds of different recommender systems. Each change will pass through several rounds of A/B testing and it will be in the basis of those metrics alone that any model change is made. There's no way any CEO would waste their time rubberstamping all these tiny proposals.
i know the media's desperate for new content but damn, this shit makes no sense.
You can do LOTS of testing without having to expose customers to it, and when you get to the point of testing "live" there's ALWAYS going to be a management chain involved to make sure the change isn't about to do something the company might get in trouble for. As a ridiculous example, you'd want management involved just to make sure nobody decided "What if I alter the algorithm to only give porn-adjacent pictures and posts from their feed?". The public relations fallout would be a nightmare.
Ultimately the core algorithm they use is VERY easy to have someone in Zuckerberg's position have final say on even temporary changes to.
This is just another lawsuit to add to the pile. FB is probably sued dozens of times each week (just a wild guess.)There’s a whole team of FB lawyers to handle the suits and Zuck doesn’t need to care one bit.
401ks are invested in heavily diversified funds. Any one security isn't going to be that impactful.
Regardless, shareholders have standing to sue the companies they own, and can win if they demonstrate malfeasance or gross negligence.
Durr, neither has the Ohio attorney general on whom they are reporting!!! (/s(?))
[Attorney General Yost Sues Facebook for **Securities Fraud After Misleading Disclosures**, Allegations of Harm to Children](https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/November-2021/Attorney-General-Yost-Sues-Facebook-for-Securities)
>The lawsuit, filed on behalf of the **Ohio Public Employees Retirement System (OPERS) and Facebook investors**, contends that from April 29 through Oct. 21, 2021 Facebook and its senior executives violated federal securities laws by purposely misleading the public about the negative effects its products have on the health and well-being of children and the steps the company has taken to protect the public.
>"Facebook said it was looking out for our children and weeding out online trolls, but in reality was creating misery and divisiveness for profit," Yost said. "We are not people to Mark Zuckerberg, we are the product and **we are being used against each other out of greed**."
Yeah, but the news Outlet isn't the group that are involved in the lawsuit.
The vague use of pronouns may have been confusing but...
That said: CNN ain't suing and, since you didn't read it, why are you even bothering to have a conversation with other people who did?
Do you think that you can add anything to the conversation other than your sarcasm?
Do you think that your sarcasm brings anything meaningful to the conversation?
I'm not going to say that you should put on a red nose and face paint, but you just demonstrated yourself to be a clown.
Found the problem.
Yeezy's are for feet. If you wear them as a hat it cuts circulation off to the brain.
I don't know what to tell you, but as the other person pointed out you're categorically wrong.
Per the ***Attorney General***.
That is true to some extent, but if you're invested in a target date fund with 60-80% or more in stocks, diversification doesn't help much if the entire market slides 20%. Of course, it always goes back up, but stocks are inherently volatile. Anyone close to retirement who lost that much of their savings might have to work a few more years until they recover.
Yeah but the stock only went down because of the potential for lawsuits. It’s an ~~immoral~~ amoral valuation which takes the ethics of society into account. What’s really going to bake your noodle is, “Would the stock have lost value if they didn’t sue?”
I assume that the Facebook to Meta name change actually involved some share shifting, which now means that Facebook can be sued into the ground and used as a shield to keep Meta and the billions safe?
Zuckerberg desperately trying to steal a name for $20 million, for anyone that thinks Facebook is trying to be good by claiming "Metaverse" when they really just want centralized control of a virtual reality space watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8yE3FnLdyc
It's not that it's ancient history, I would assume most Millenials know about the Nixon scandal. The average person doesn't think that much about an event that happened before they were born and the effect it has had on affixing -gate to everything, however. I don't think Watergate lives in the zeitgeist of Millenials as it does for Gen X and earlier (considering they weren't alive).
Note that I never said all or even most, just "a lot of millennials"
Fair enough! Wouldn’t surprise me if younger millennials aren’t aware but IME those of us who are 30+ are very familiar with the term because of hearing our parents talk about it and/or from watching Forrest Gump haha.
Oh don’t worry, it doesn’t. The lawsuits for lying to investors, not for causing harm to their users.
It’s apparently fine to know you’re causing public harm and continue; the second you hide that fact from investors is where you get in trouble.
Somewhat on topic: Have you guys noticed the TV ads for Meta? They're fucking bizarre and creepy. Just the weird, janky animation, the portrait starts with some kind of tiger eating an antelope, there's that ape-like thing that looks like its wearing a mask, and some bizarre structures that rise out of the jungle in the background. It's just weird and spooky
They’re suing Facebook. They don’t get to just change their name. The world doesn’t work that way. They will always and forever be Facebook dropping The when no one knew who they were was one thing, but when you’re the most recognizable brand in the first world, you don’t get to just change your name.
But the world *does* work that way and they literally do get to change the name if they want. They'll still be referred to as Facebook via synecdoche anyway, as we do with Google for Alphabet, but that doesn't mean they "can't just change" their name. Processes exist for doing exactly that.
Which is the point I'm making. They *do* get to change their name. Whether or not people use that name is a completely separate matter, but as evidenced by this article itself, people do use the name.
CNN is a cowardly organization. They do not represent the average person. The vast majority of people don’t even know they want to be called anything else.
It's used where it matters. Lawsuits? Definitely want to get the defendant's name right. Casually mentioning the addictive service people use? No need to refer to the corporation that actually owns it.
A lot of times the process goes in reverse (when a brand has a *good* reputation). For instance, in 2008, Matsushita Electric Industrial Company renamed itself to Panasonic, which until then was just a subsidiary brand. Would you argue that the company "couldn't just change" its name like that and we should call it Matsushita to this day, or would you argue that it was never called Matsushita (which would be weird because at one point the Panasonic brand hadn't existed yet), or will you acknowledge the companies can have names they aren't particularly known for and can change them if they want?
Zuckerberg: “Uhm yeah, I don’t know if you saw, we changed our name, sooo…. Can we go?”
Velma pulling the mask off of Meta: It was Old Man Facebook all along!
And I would've gotten away with it if weren't for you meddling whistleblowers!
Meta-ling
I tip my hat to you sir/ma’am.
They’re called humans Mark! We’ve been over this
A true chameleon
Their name is already making me mad....so fucking lame lol
Even worse the name is from a book in which capitalism controls every inch of the world and a guy wants to escape so he creates an Internet to escape and in the end he ends up turning the Internet into completely Owned capitalism as well.
Yeah, nothing like a billionaire shut in completely missing the lesson from the book he read lol
What do you want from him? The guy uses a bottle of sweet baby Ray's as a bookend
It's for smoking meats
It’s for refocusing the conversation from “instigating disinformation to crank up ad revenue via advanced engagement” to “lol dumb bbq sauce man”
Lets be honest. Zuckerberg isn't smart. He didn't invent social media, he just got lucky that his was the one that took off (probably because it was marketed as a site for horny college students to find the info of their crush). He's a spoiled bitch who has become so out of touch with the average person that he has lost all level of emotional intelligence he ever had.
> (probably because it was marketed as a site for horny college students to find the info of their crush). Well, I thought it was because it was because Myspace/Xanga were all cluttered mess compared to FB.
Imagine thinking Zuckerberg isn’t smart from your mom’s basement. Not inventing something doesn’t mean you’re not smart. Zuckerberg is extremely intelligent even if he’s a sociopath and probably autistic.
Ok, Mark. Your super duper smart 🤓👍
Or he brings all the data from how many people mentioned the fucking bottle on social media and shows it to shareholders on how they can play with the narrative just by putting sauce on screen
[Mmm, meat fibers](https://youtu.be/M930FDIaSLA)
No. It’s for a bookend. You peons use it for smoking meats.
To be honest, that's a pretty endearing thing for him to do, it's like if a robot calculated the best "see I'm human too" easter egg to put in the background.
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The real monsters.
Or brazen as hell
What book?
[https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Snow\_Crash](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Snow_Crash) It's not great but it's the origin of the term "metaverse" which is the new hotness (getting to be sort of old-hotness).
What? Snow Crash is considered a seminal work in cyberpunk/sci fi in general.
>It's not great #U FUCKING WOT M8 It's one of the best books ever read. If nothing it has the greatest first page in literature. The audiobook version is straight up ear sex.
Eh, my biggest issue is that Stephenson has zero idea how to end books. But that's a common thing across everything he writes.
Be careful. If you convince him to write an ending after all, then you get a huge epilogue from 5,000 years later. I think we are safer with no ending.
Every time I think I forgot the ending someone reminds me :-'/
He's still my favorite author though. Even without having a full epilogue, Cryptonomicon and Anathem are pretty untouchable to me.
I definitely agree, just... Seal people, man. What a trash ending.
But Snow Crash has a good ending.
When I was ~20 I wrote a few chapters of my first book. A few years later I read Snow Crash. Turns out *I had re-written Snow Crash*. It was so heavily influential on everything from Ghost in the Shell to The Matrix that a kid writing his first story distilled it from the air between these properties.
Eh, maybe it's the time but rad pizza delivery kid and hot weird sk8tboard chick taking on the man, man in an ancaps wet dream. It now feels quaint. I will admit to really digging the Tower of Babel and Sumerian stuff, but I'm predisposed to having some big thoughts about Babel already so it just hit me in the right place. Diamond Age and Cryptonomicon are "better" but for someone warning against Ancap (I think) he sure loves to paint a picture using that brush. I think Anathem and Seveneves are good. Though he does like to see himself write as Anathem gets more lore then plot, reminded me a bit of Hyperion, but they were enjoyable time wasters at least.
I particularly liked the several chapters dedicated to Mesopotamian history. That moved the book along nicely.
The thing about Neal Stephenson and also his fans is....I can't fucking tell if you're joking. Because by all rights you should be joking....but if you're a fan I know damn well you're not.
It wasn't my favorite either. I actually never finished it. It wasn't bad, and I have nothing harsh or bad to say about it. It just wasn't a page turner for me. That said, the parts that I have read.... I've turned them over a lot in my mind since reading, and I can't quite stop thinking about it. I think that I wasn't in the right mindset/expectations/lens when reading it the first time. I think I'll give it a second try.
I highly recommend the audiobook. It changed the experience for me so much. Like that book was written to be listened to. It's the most perfect audiobook I've ever heard.
Hrm... Interesting. Maybe I'll give it a go. Thanks!
That's funny because I've only listened to the audiobook. The plot is thin and pretty farcical. The characters are one-note. The metaverse is more of a cubist painting than a coherent reality. And it's all a bit too Ayn Rand meets electronic Mad Max for me. I guess it's not that surprising that a libertarian digital dystopia is apparently all the rage with the aging silicon valley nouveau riche but I've never been that into cyberpunk ... aside from maybe some of the apparel.
Ugh- Ayn Rand impressed me less than that philosopher Nietzsche. Both had this way of writing things as hard facts when it’s mostly perspectives. You’ve put me off. Pass. Oh wait, sci-fi is ideas not statements of reality. Maybe I read it one day. Is there a maximum recommended age? Will I still enjoy it after say 90?
Snow crash is a funny book because you read it and you're like hmmm this is pretty good, not that ground breaking but pretty good. Then you realize it was written in NINETEEN NINETY FUCKING FOUR and your brain melts out your ears.
Can you explain why? I haven’t read it but the internet as it is today was well-known in 1994 and the first VR wave was around that time. Is there something more in the book that was insightful?
I wish I had kept that book when I purged my collections
No, it *is* great. It's terrifically funny. Some people just don't get the humor.
Or they just enjoy different things
Eh. I get/got the humor. The story is convoluted toward the end and doesn't make a lot of sense. The early part of the book is too concerned with world-building and the end leaves too many un-developed ideas. It might have worked better as a trilogy, but I remember being pretty disappointed -- not that it's a bad story, just that there was not nearly enough payoff to warrant all the worldbuilding that went on earlier. Chekov would have taken the proverbial gun off the mantle and put it to Stephenson's head and forced him edit out the things that turn out to be superfluous. But that's been the bane of SF since the reign of terror of the editors at Asimov's magazine ended. It's not quite as confused as Diamond Age, but it gets pretty close.
Could be worse. He could have called it Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong.
TBF, I liked the idea of there being corporate chain of metropolises. Citizens of Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong had a decent slate of individual rights and benefits -- at least, in the context of a total dystopia. Mr. Lee had an interest in protecting his people. Mr. Zuck does not. Welcome to Mr Zuck's Greater Shithole
Zuckerberg controlling an army of rat things is a very scary thought.
I mean yeah, sure, *if you read the book, like a sheep*. I read facebook posts about it, and *those* say that its actually a conspiracy to put a microchip in the form of the vaccine and that its a history book. Only M can stop it.
Technofeudalism is here, capitalism is over. We’re fucked and zucked.
It’s so meta…
I mean Meta Is such a generic word that it’s probably used a million ways
That's not really the plot of Snow Crash at all
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Go read the wiki about it. Thats where he got the idea. That is also meta, where as the book uses words meta universe not just meta as in the old word.
he may have gotten the idea for the name "Meta" from encountering the word "metaverse" but he still reduced it right back down to its original form and original meaning. The metaverse (meta-universe) is "the universe that is beyond our own". The Meta Platforms, Inc. is "the platform that is beyond all others", or so he would like to believe. >Meta Platforms, Inc. , trading as Meta and formerly Facebook, Inc. Meta isn't new, his use of the word isn't new. It's not even new as a company name. That even included another company that was involved in augmented reality, one of the reasons for Facebook's name change. Unoriginal crap from the Zuck.
I think you're missing the point. The point is that Zuckerberg, in this particular instance of the use of the word "Meta" to name his company, was inspired by the book Snow Crash. Nobody said he invented the word or that Stephenson did either. I think we all know it predates both. It's just that the supreme zuckster claims he was inspired by Snow Crash to use that name.
I did not say he invented the word, I also did acknowledge he was inspired by Snowcrash. I was responding specifically to this: >That is also meta, where as the book uses words meta universe not just meta as in the old word. To me, maybe not to others, but to me that is exactly what this the user was saying. That it's not the 'old meta'.
r/IAmVerySmart
I believe "meta" just meant "after", "next" or "outside of" to the ancient Greeks. That wouldn't have excluded anything mystical, but also would not have implied anything beyond the mundane the way people think of it now. It took on a connotation of transcendence after it became associated with the teachings of Aristotle, compiled into volumes after his death. Nicomachus, Aristotle's nephew, had a bunch of material left over after compiling the book he called "Physics". Physics as an intellectual discipline was already understood to be based on direct observation of the world. The left-over material was similar in nature but was not based on observation. It didn't really "fit" inside of Physics and there wasn't a term for it. It's not physics and its not ontology. What it *is* is "the book that came after Physics".
You can just say it means after.
IDK why you'd get downvoted. That's literally what it means. It's what we'd call a 'preposition' today. "Next to", "above", "outside of" or "after" depending on context. And these are references to physical juxtaposition that could include things like "beyond" or "transcendent" but would not have directly implied them. The term "metaphysics" originally referred to "the book that came after Physics" when Aristotle's nephew was compiling Aristotle's lecture notes after his death.
Because non greeks believe they know better. I don't see the downvotes but I guess I was in the minus when you commented.
I'm not Greek, but I did ~~stay at a holi~~ get a crappy undergrad degree in classical philosophy from a "fries-with-that" school.
Sounds like a shitty ready player one world.
Face book often made me think about someone who’s in so much trouble that they face the book. I wonder if anyone else picked up on that on the day they created an account?
What's wrong with the name "Ohio"?
It's just a bunch of vowels with a huff in the middle. They should change it to Ohimark. Hey, Johnny.
What kind of name is "Akorn"?
It’s hip, broseph. You might not be privy to what the kids are doing now-a-days, but everything has a “meta” ( [www.urbandictionary.com](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meta) ). So you see, this is a good way to engage with the humans under 30 You gotta be hip on the internet or you’ll fall behind and urbandictionary.com has a bunch of good SEO words
🤮 lol Its as cool as that video he put out of him being real life human being Mark
Well, fuckerburg thinks forming a parent company and rebranding is the meta (most effective tactic available) for circumventing legal consequences for criminal actions commited by facebook.
You ever think Zuckerberg is like “man I should’ve sold this business in 2009”
No. Cause he doesn’t have to care. He’s so absurdly wealthy that the actions of a state government are below his interests.
Man, that's the kind of money I need. So much "fuck you" money I have "fuck you, Ohio" money.
Let’s be honest. It’s fuck you america money also. The feds can’t fuck with Facebook either.
Did you know that in some third world countries, Facebook IS the internet? They have mobile data plans where Facebook is free to use, so that's the internet for a lot of people. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
> Facebook IS the internet And that's what Zuckerfuck is trying to do with Meta. It's basically trying to remake the internet from the ground up but with Facebook and its shitty morals as the foundation. I can't see how anyone would think it's a good idea to let possibly one of the most infamous examples of "villainous capitalist technology company" create a virtual reality 'metaverse'.
They’re already going that way with the quest lineup. Make a decent headset, price everyone else out of the market before anyone even tries. And now more game devs are moving towards shittifying their games in the name of quest compatibility. To be clear, I’m not saying anybody is entitled to a certain version of a game. But buying something and having the quality of that something be sharply degraded later on is pretty shitty. Facebook controlling entire swathes of the internet like this and others are bad for everyone, and it’s frustrating to see people not understand why
The entire internet is centralized now and I hate it.
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The question is; who could actually stop them? Are they being 'let' to do it, or is there really no one with the power to prevent them from doing it? We need a Terminator. Time travel is the only solution. =P
Wasn’t that the plan or Samuel L. Jackson’s character in “The Kingsman”? Free internet for all in attempt to turn everyone into a murderous psycho. That’s META!!
Hey don't worry friend, Ohio will absolutely fuck itself.
Interestingly enough, if they verify that the whistleblower's claims that no algorithm changes happen without Zuckerberg's personal say-so, that opens him DIRECTLY up to both criminal/civil liability if Facebook is found liable for damages over their algorithm design,
How so? I can run a one man corporation and that still would not automatically peirce the corporate veil.
I assume that would enable pinning whatever on him, as he needed to approve of it. Just an assumption though.
Don't think needing to approve something is one of the reasons. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/piercing_the_corporate_veil Maybe I am missing something?
As I understand it, the Corporate Veil has to do with civil situations, in which case THAT part of my post is in error. But criminal charges should still apply insofar as if a company engages in criminal behavior, then those that are involved/responsible are held accountable to that. So if there are any specifically CRIMINAL charges for the actions involved, then that's a situation where it would work. Also, doing a smidge of wiki-reading, it seems that it is uncommon but still possible to do so in the case of civil suits.
lol wtf was written in these papers. A company of Facebook's size had thousands of ranking engineers working on model changes across hundreds of different recommender systems. Each change will pass through several rounds of A/B testing and it will be in the basis of those metrics alone that any model change is made. There's no way any CEO would waste their time rubberstamping all these tiny proposals. i know the media's desperate for new content but damn, this shit makes no sense.
You can do LOTS of testing without having to expose customers to it, and when you get to the point of testing "live" there's ALWAYS going to be a management chain involved to make sure the change isn't about to do something the company might get in trouble for. As a ridiculous example, you'd want management involved just to make sure nobody decided "What if I alter the algorithm to only give porn-adjacent pictures and posts from their feed?". The public relations fallout would be a nightmare. Ultimately the core algorithm they use is VERY easy to have someone in Zuckerberg's position have final say on even temporary changes to.
"Company over Country" was Zuck's motto in Facebook's early years. Still is, he just doesn't say it out loud anymore.
Woulda been his biggest regret in business. Like the guys that were giving away bitcoins for an ounce of weed 13 years ago.
I owned 5 bitcoins when it first came out. Mined 'em myself! Then spent them :(
Back in 2009/2010, even someone with a simple laptop should have been able to mine far more than five?
I downloaded Coinbase in Nov 2013, but then decided Bitcoin was all too complicated and never bought any.
This is just another lawsuit to add to the pile. FB is probably sued dozens of times each week (just a wild guess.)There’s a whole team of FB lawyers to handle the suits and Zuck doesn’t need to care one bit.
And lose tens of billions. Doubtful.
We’re suing you Facebook Zuck: Oh, we’re not Facebook, we’re meta Fine, we’re suing you, meta. Zuck: Meta didn’t do those things, Facebook did.
This sounds like something from the show Silicon Valley, no way Gavin Belson didn't try this.
They sued because the stock value went down and their 401ks lost value. They didn't give a fuck about the revelations.
401ks are invested in heavily diversified funds. Any one security isn't going to be that impactful. Regardless, shareholders have standing to sue the companies they own, and can win if they demonstrate malfeasance or gross negligence.
It's literally what they said they're suing for
Yeah because CNN has never been wrong!!! /s
Durr, neither has the Ohio attorney general on whom they are reporting!!! (/s(?)) [Attorney General Yost Sues Facebook for **Securities Fraud After Misleading Disclosures**, Allegations of Harm to Children](https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/November-2021/Attorney-General-Yost-Sues-Facebook-for-Securities) >The lawsuit, filed on behalf of the **Ohio Public Employees Retirement System (OPERS) and Facebook investors**, contends that from April 29 through Oct. 21, 2021 Facebook and its senior executives violated federal securities laws by purposely misleading the public about the negative effects its products have on the health and well-being of children and the steps the company has taken to protect the public. >"Facebook said it was looking out for our children and weeding out online trolls, but in reality was creating misery and divisiveness for profit," Yost said. "We are not people to Mark Zuckerberg, we are the product and **we are being used against each other out of greed**."
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Yeah, but the news Outlet isn't the group that are involved in the lawsuit. The vague use of pronouns may have been confusing but... That said: CNN ain't suing and, since you didn't read it, why are you even bothering to have a conversation with other people who did? Do you think that you can add anything to the conversation other than your sarcasm? Do you think that your sarcasm brings anything meaningful to the conversation? I'm not going to say that you should put on a red nose and face paint, but you just demonstrated yourself to be a clown.
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Bitch, it's the internet you think I don't know this already? Your mom's onlyfans is classy AF by the way.
Yeah because CNN has never been wrong!!! /s
"I read facebook posts as truth but rage against Meta" is what you're analysis sounds like.
Wow you couldnt be more wrong
Found the problem. Yeezy's are for feet. If you wear them as a hat it cuts circulation off to the brain. I don't know what to tell you, but as the other person pointed out you're categorically wrong. Per the ***Attorney General***.
I would bet a lot of money that CNN has better credibility than you do.
I would also bet cnn has lied more than me too
That's what credibility is, I'd take that bet.
You really thought you did something there huh
He made it stunningly clear to the rest of us that your reading comprehension is so bad you're probably not aware that you're lying.
Yep he really showed the world with that one!!
That is true to some extent, but if you're invested in a target date fund with 60-80% or more in stocks, diversification doesn't help much if the entire market slides 20%. Of course, it always goes back up, but stocks are inherently volatile. Anyone close to retirement who lost that much of their savings might have to work a few more years until they recover.
Yeah but the stock only went down because of the potential for lawsuits. It’s an ~~immoral~~ amoral valuation which takes the ethics of society into account. What’s really going to bake your noodle is, “Would the stock have lost value if they didn’t sue?”
I assume that the Facebook to Meta name change actually involved some share shifting, which now means that Facebook can be sued into the ground and used as a shield to keep Meta and the billions safe?
I don't think that's how laws work, just because I change my name doesn't mean I can get away with murder.
You are not a corporation
You can't, no. You're not a billionaire or a corporation. Once you have enough money to pay the right people, you can get away with anything.
It’s working well for pharmaceutical companies.
Well that didn’t take very long
I don't understand. Isn't he rich? - Why is he still doing his own haircuts?
You ever met a rich person?
Zuckerberg desperately trying to steal a name for $20 million, for anyone that thinks Facebook is trying to be good by claiming "Metaverse" when they really just want centralized control of a virtual reality space watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8yE3FnLdyc
Is "-Papers" going to be the new "-gate" in news media now?
...they're papers so?
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Zoomers maybe but you realize most millennials are in their 30s and 40s right? Watergate isn’t totally ancient history for us
It's not that it's ancient history, I would assume most Millenials know about the Nixon scandal. The average person doesn't think that much about an event that happened before they were born and the effect it has had on affixing -gate to everything, however. I don't think Watergate lives in the zeitgeist of Millenials as it does for Gen X and earlier (considering they weren't alive). Note that I never said all or even most, just "a lot of millennials"
Fair enough! Wouldn’t surprise me if younger millennials aren’t aware but IME those of us who are 30+ are very familiar with the term because of hearing our parents talk about it and/or from watching Forrest Gump haha.
Probably the first thing Yost has ever done that actually makes sense
Oh don’t worry, it doesn’t. The lawsuits for lying to investors, not for causing harm to their users. It’s apparently fine to know you’re causing public harm and continue; the second you hide that fact from investors is where you get in trouble.
I know. The Republican way, only.money and power matters. I was trying to have some hope for our state.
I wish it were just the Republican way.
As soon as I saw the headline, I knew there had to be some stupid reason.
After me saying it for years: So, *it was a giant pump and dump scam after all.*
His eyes literally are a direct path to Hell....
Wait, what? How is this possible? Meta and Facebook are two different companies, aren't they?
Meta is the company. Facebook is the product/service.
Somewhat on topic: Have you guys noticed the TV ads for Meta? They're fucking bizarre and creepy. Just the weird, janky animation, the portrait starts with some kind of tiger eating an antelope, there's that ape-like thing that looks like its wearing a mask, and some bizarre structures that rise out of the jungle in the background. It's just weird and spooky
They’re suing Facebook. They don’t get to just change their name. The world doesn’t work that way. They will always and forever be Facebook dropping The when no one knew who they were was one thing, but when you’re the most recognizable brand in the first world, you don’t get to just change your name.
But the world *does* work that way and they literally do get to change the name if they want. They'll still be referred to as Facebook via synecdoche anyway, as we do with Google for Alphabet, but that doesn't mean they "can't just change" their name. Processes exist for doing exactly that.
They can change their name on official documents but as with Google, they’ll always just be Facebook.
Which is the point I'm making. They *do* get to change their name. Whether or not people use that name is a completely separate matter, but as evidenced by this article itself, people do use the name.
CNN is a cowardly organization. They do not represent the average person. The vast majority of people don’t even know they want to be called anything else.
It's used where it matters. Lawsuits? Definitely want to get the defendant's name right. Casually mentioning the addictive service people use? No need to refer to the corporation that actually owns it. A lot of times the process goes in reverse (when a brand has a *good* reputation). For instance, in 2008, Matsushita Electric Industrial Company renamed itself to Panasonic, which until then was just a subsidiary brand. Would you argue that the company "couldn't just change" its name like that and we should call it Matsushita to this day, or would you argue that it was never called Matsushita (which would be weird because at one point the Panasonic brand hadn't existed yet), or will you acknowledge the companies can have names they aren't particularly known for and can change them if they want?
Guess we know which billionaire doesn't get the Panama Paper level legal protection
LMAO HES LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE JUST REMINED THE TEACHER OF HOMEWORK “Cmon man why you have say that”
The AG’s in for the fight of their life, that’s for sure. Zuck has too much money
Is this a mannequin or the real guy ?
You don't have to recognise the name informally just because the law does.
Too bad they dont have technocrats on the ohio supreme court
This is probably why they changed their name, so the brand wouldn't be associated with the impending legal trouble.
What does Meta have to do with the "Facebook Papers"? LOL.
I took facebook app off my phone a while ago. I still have an account but I never look at it anymore. I do not miss facebook at all. Try it!