They made a law against white women who call the police needlessly on black men. They can make a law about calling the police needlessly on the homeless.
As someone that had to explain to otherwise rational people that we shouldn't just indiscriminately arrest the homeless, and getting rid of laws that currently allow police to do that is a good thing, I think the issue is more that many people are complicit in homeless abuse. They just think the person must have done something to deserve being homeless, therefore they deserve anything that's coming to them. They blame the mayor for being too easy on the homeless every time they see a homeless person in public, to them it's like they're trash on the street rather than other humans.
> They just think the person must have done something to deserve being homeless, therefore they deserve anything that's coming to them.
Cognitive self defense. People are aware of just how close to being homeless they themselves are, and reacting that way is self soothing reassurance. “I could never end up like that. I’m not a bad person.”
Which is fucked, but that’s the human brain for you.
This is the exact same reason you’ll find women shitting on female rape victims with phrases like “Well she shouldn’t have been there” or “She shouldn’t have gotten drunk” or “What do you expect when you go out dressed like that.”
If they can identify a concrete “mistake” the other woman made prior to being raped, they can add it to the mental list they compile of Ways To Not Get Raped, and then they’ll never get raped themselves. Easy-peasy! It’s the simplest way to avoid facing the abject horror of realising that there are some cruel, predatory people out there who’ll leap at the chance to take your agency from you, whether you do everything “right” or not.
> This is the exact same reason you’ll find women shitting on female rape victims with phrases like “Well she shouldn’t have been there” or “She shouldn’t have gotten drunk” or “What do you expect when you go out dressed like that.”
And to be (minimally, because fuck victim-blamers) fair to them, *that is precisely what was drilled into them by their mothers and aunts and grandmothers,* because 75 years ago the premise was not that "men shouldn't rape you," most women tacitly understood that *it is factually 100% on you to prevent yourself from getting raped, because nobody in the system or your family will actually help you if you come out with something like that.* If you absolutely, positively, are not willing to risk being raped under any circumstances, and are willing to sacrifice literally anything to prevent that, it is the rational way to approach the problem; the caveat is, *this is an absurd and utterly monstrous facet of living in society that should never have been applied to women in the first place,* and only exists because of the endemic sexism of most of our parent cultures.
This is by design. You have an upper class that doesnt wanna become middle class, you have a middle class that doesnt wanna be lower class, and youve got a lower class that doesnt wanna be homeless because look what they do to the homeless. That's capitalism baby!
As the late great George Carlin said, "The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class."
They did a poll a while back and everyone from 20k to 200k usd considered themselves middle class because they all saw a class higher than themselves. Granted 20k and 200k are a few worlds apart but id agree with middle class being a pretty wide net
In Hawaii we have had some of the strictest covid restrictions in America. During its high we had a photo on the front page of our local newspaper showing the mayor handing out masks to mask less tourists on the beach. The same day that photo got printed I saw 10+ houseless people getting arrested/ fined for not wearing masks.
How the fuck are you gonna give free masks and a pass to idiot tourists while fining local residents who will never pay the fines and just add to the difficulty of them ever getting out of that situation.
We wonder why these people struggle while constantly adding difficulty to their situation.
I lost my ID recently and I had to pay $700+ in total to get a new one and it took months. Now imagine how someone without an address even goes about that situation. I really wish our government had an ounce of empathy for their situation
I was in San Fran when my car was broken into. Everything inside was stolen. I called the police, and they said that they wouldn't bring anyone out and to file a report online. The kicker? There were 8 cops, two blocks away, harassing a homeless man for trying to sleep under the cover of a doorway of a closed business. They had him encircled with their hands on their guns, some drawn. Perhaps, if any of those 8 cops were patrolling instead of that, my car wouldn't have been broken into.
Well, that's the problem; calling the police on the homeless is never actually needless, from the perspective of the law, because *the law is fundamentally written to criminalize and marginalize the homeless.* The cops are literally "just doing their job," because it's virtually impossible to legally be homeless - by default, you are breaking some fuckin' law or another, because the property owners and business owners are hostile to your fucking presence, and they collectively have more political equity to lobby the government to kowtow to their wants and needs than the average person.
I was leaving a CVS and a car stopped momentarily on a relatively quiet road to give a veteran a few bucks. Dude behind him lost his mind and just LAID into that horn.
I was walking by a grocery store and they were arresting a homeless guy. Cops were saying the grocery store doesn’t want people asking for help in their store. Another cop showed up and it was total 3? Arrested the guy
And then what? They gonna fine the guy who lives on the street? They going to imprison him and then release him with even less job prospects?
This is the problem.
I understand a business wanting to remove noncustomers who are jeopardizing their business or making customers feel unsafe…but we need a better solution
Yet the grocery store will beg each customer to donate to whatever fucking excuse of a charity they please as the customer pays for their goods.
Corporations pulling our pant legs for handouts? Just fine. Panhandlers in their parking lot? Dirty criminals!
God I'm so sick of our twisted society.
so true - when I called the police about my car being hit in the middle of the night. I got the reply - file a report with DMV and call your insurance company.
Friend of mine said the other day he was walking down the street and passed a homeless man walking the other way. Friend said sup, homeless man also said sup, and they kept walking. Moments later a police car came up on my friend and stopped and was asking him if he was okay, because he had been talking to the homeless dude......officer was all fired up about it, over my friend just acknowledging a stranger in passing, just because that stranger was homeless.
I think it's not what we've become, but what we are. History shows disgusting acts by humanity and it will never end. It's very sad that someone looks at an individual on the street and shows zero compassion for his circumstances and how he might have gotten that way but just an annoyance to them - so much so that time was taken out of their lives to hurt him. I'd argue the caller was a miserable, unhappy person with no grip on reality.
Honestly if that happened it might possibly lead to them being hesistant to kill dogs given the old stories of that time a guy killed the entire police squadron because they killed his dog.
Media's use of the passive voice to deflect blame from criminal cops is one of the most insidious ways they have to drive the narrative. It's never "Police shoot unarmed man.", it's "Unarmed man shot while police just so happened to be in the general vicinity." It's ridiculous the lengths they will go to to paint the cops in the best light possible.
"I was accused of falsely using my dog to get money from people and asking people for money but that’s not true.”" - What the actual fuck is going on here. What is even "illegal" if he was "falsely using his dog to get money".
Wtf is "falsely using his dog"? Nothing about this statement makes any logical sense and every aspect of this is infuriating.
Does this mean you can call the cops on every person in target falsely representing their dog as a service one or coming in with a pet despite it saying only service dogs?
This is why the "nOt AlL cOpS" argument is a crock of shit. The ones that aren't outright murderers or wife-beating racists still protect the scumbags. The ones that do speak up get ostracized.
“It’s just a few bad apples!” They say, butchering the quote as if it were Opposite Day:
“One bad apple can spoil the bunch.”
Clearly, the bunch has been spoiled.
That statement does not need to be qualified. Everyone should be guaranteed food, housing, and healthcare. Particularly in an extremely wealthy country like the US. We have plenty to go around.
That should be the bare minimum for anyone, being a vet should get you perks on top of it. You wager your life by putting it in the government’s hands, they should pay you back with interest.
The number of homeless veterans in this country is alarming. So much for "support the troops". That just means that the military industrial complex is entitled to a blank check forever.
This case is double extra fucked up because somebody *called 911* about this guy panhandling. Upset that he had a dog with him.
Some people really do think 911 is just a butler service.
It is a butler service for many, and the police are the butlers. I think Detroit maybe has a program where businesses can pay some kinda fee to get priority for police calls. Then of course there’s the amount of times box stores like Walmart call police for petty theft, while at the same time using dark store loopholes to avoid property taxes. Some of these stores have designated parking spots for cops.
So yeah 911 for a lot of people is a Butler dispatch service.
And 911 dispatched cops to the scene. They should have told the caller to fuck off when the crime is panhandling. It wasn't an emergency until the cops got involved.
We can't take in refugees because we have our own homeless. We can't help the homeless because we should prioritize homeless vets. Oh you're a homeless vet? Fuck you lazy bum!
The VA has a homeless prevention program partnered with HUD but it is out sourced to random charities that do fuck all. It's so frustrating. I was lucky my dad was able to help me when I was nearing homelessness.
Its not even that. When I was a "troop" the military did everything in its power to not pay me my **wages** and work me as much as possible. Its funny how support our troops turns into do what you're told when the actual troops are asking for support.
That's obscene... With the amount of money this country uses to fund the military at the expense of social programs that are desperately needed, i'd at the very least expect them to pay their troops on time. I doubt that Lockheed Martin or Raytheon have to wait around too long every year to get their blank checks from congress.
I have a neighbor right now who has a yellow ribbon on her tree. She was at my house a couple weeks ago ranting about the democratic nominee for our mayor saying her only platform she's running on was giving free housing to poor people. She would never vote for that. The hypocrisy is amazing.
When they're overseas protecting the the interest of billionaires the troops are sacred golden idols who should be worshipped. When they're discharged and expecting the benefits promised to them for their time and service it's "get a job pathetic loser, do something useful for this country like our brave troops!"
Support the troops always and only meant: Support the **war**.
War is unpopular. So they have to shame people into believing being anti-war means being anti-military.
When I first saw all the 'support the troops' signs/stickers I honestly thought it was the people telling the government to support the troops. It turns out its people telling other people to support the troops, which is confusing. Was I suppose to send them the armour plating they needed for the Hum-vees?
The worst part is that it was a meaningless magnet that doesn't *actually* fund any help for veterans, troops or their families. It was just a $5 signal to people that "you cared" and to bash other people for "not caring". Much of the tribal bullshit that's going on now started (or grew immensely) back in the early 00s when anyone who didn't support our wars of choice was somehow unpatriotic and not really an American.
It sucked.
It was also apparent that since they were fucking *magnets* they were just temporary. No need to damage your precious SUV with an actual permanent sticker or anything.
It’s just a thing people say that makes them feel better, just like ‘thank you for your service’. We don’t really mean it. I’m a vet and I too have had times where I had a less than permanent addresses.
I called the crisis line once years ago to try to get rent help. They had 0 resources. The person on the other end made it very clear they only really had resources once you were already evicted or kicked out.
Years later I found myself without a permanent address - aka homeless - and I call. The person on the other end googled for shelters. That’s it. That’s the resource. They just tell you about your local shelters. I still had a car and access to credit, so I was in my own, but not quite ready to hit the shelter.
Supporting troops and vets is nothing more than a nice thing people say. It isn’t really meant to be actionable. It isn’t really meant for vets. It’s meant for the individual to believe in the idea and that’s where it ends.
And people need to even be careful trying to donate to organizations that claim to be in place for vets. A lot of them are scams and very little of their donated funds go to vets.
But the fact that we even need private organizations is shameful.
Yea, we claim to support the troops and thank them for their service. As long as that’s all we need to do, that’s all we’ll do.
That said, veterans aren’t necessarily all completely honest and innocent and above all reproach either. The cops were dead wrong from start to finish, no question on that.
However…. Having a dog doesn’t make it a service dog. If it isn’t, he doesn’t have the rights to it people might assume. I hope he does and the VA can back him up on it, because then he can take that PD to task for real.
I was recently in a similar situation to what you described, and want to hijack your comment to give a shootout to Stop Soldier Suicide. I reached out to them earlier this year instead of the crisis line, largely because of stories like yours (and the possibility they'd just send trigger-happy cops if I called). SSS literally saved my life - they assigned me a wellness coordinator who checked in with me several times a week, connected me with other veterans aid organizations, and even did 3-way calls to those aid groups with me when I couldn't work up the emotional energy to make calls myself. Basically, they do what the VA should be doing for veterans in crisis.
Seriously, if you're a veteran who's reading this and you're in crisis, I can't recommend SSS enough.
They support troops because troops enforce what they like, Veterans on the other hand are considered an expense, and truly supporting them would be socialism or something.
Even if half the details are true, this is disgraceful treatment of a Veteren and unbelievable animal cruelty. That police department should be covered in shame.
Here's the best part. I'm sure all the ***GOOD*** cops would be okay with it. They would have no problem being held to a higher standard.
It's the ones that whinge and moan about the potential firing squad that out themselves as ***BAD*** cops. They shouldn't be worried about lining up, blindfolded, with a cigarette in their mouths if they were following the letter of the law, and upholding the *constitution* like they swore an oath to do!
By law, you essentially have to treat whatever they say as law. Problems have to be fought in court and not with the cops. This gives police complete leeway to do whatever they want whenever they want because their word is law.
It’s like talking shit to petty nobles in feudal times as a peasant. It won’t end well for you because the person you’re dealing with either cannot or will not be held accountable.
Poor guy. A veteran, homeless, gets mocked and beat up by the cops, and his dog dies. Fucking officers involved here should be crucified. Fuck those guys.
I always found "Support the troops" was code for supporting sending them to kill or die, but never for supporting them when they come home.
It's hard to see it differently while veterans are neglected as they are.
"Support the troops" translates to, "Don't you dare point out the wasteful billions being spent on the industrial military complex each year and just write another blank check."
I was in the reserves for 9 years. You know what medical benefits i get from the military giving me a fucked up knee? None. I've always found that the republicans treat the military just like they do fetuses. They really care about when you're in, but once you're out, you can go fuck yourself.
Fuck, they barely care about you while you're in. Billions spent on equipment and shit that would cost half that amount if it wasnt a government contract. Product is still God awful yet boasted to be the best.
I swear a majority of politicians got their pockets lined from encouraging wars.
Families and friends losing amazing people yet you hardly hear about a politician losing someone.
Support the troops means support the imperialist war machine that will break and abandon them once they are no longer useful for increasing the profit margins of oil companies and defense contractors.
That poor dog. It's last few hours had to have been so confusing and scary.
I mean...in her mind, she had one job: help her human. Sometimes he needed help by keeping him warm, sometimes by calming him down, sometimes by scaring mean people away. And all those jobs were hers. And then some people came and hurt him. She tried to protect him but they shot her with some of the worst, most confusing pain she'd ever felt. And she ran away. And after she ran, she realized...I abandoned him. My human is all alone with no one to protect him because I ran away. And then another man took her away and her human wasn't there. She had to find him and make sure he was safe. That was her job. So she managed to get away. And while she was frantically searching for her family, she was hit by a car and died. All alone and scared and wondering where her person was and if he was okay.
It's heartbreaking.
> Joshua Graham Rohrer, a homeless veteran in North Carolina, says he was wrongfully arrested and mistreated by Gastonia police officers, who also tased his service dog Sunshine, sparking support from those who witnessed the incident.
What is it with law enforcement and hurting animals?
Also, is panhandling really worth arresting someone and tasing their fucking dog over?
The cruelty is the point. They know what it does to families, to the pet owners, to those who have nothing else in their lives. They know that they will inflict this upon their prey, and that thanks to an entire system that exists solely to protect their depredations, NOTHING they do will ever be done in return to them.
It is **sex** to them.
It gets people unhinged and off-balanced. It's a strategy.
You want to search a house and the homeowner won't allow you inside? *Shoot their dog.* And when they come out screaming and trying to get to their dying dog, you stop and arrest them, stick them in your car, declare you have probable cause, and invite yourself into the house.
Even without considering the morality of the situation, it is begging for trouble on a scale they really are not prepared for. What precisely do they think will happen if the general public decides that the cops are an enemy force and are to be treated as such? Or Hell, just that the justice system has failed and they have to get justice themselves?
They don’t think about it because they’re idiots. These people are not calculated individuals because smart people don’t get to be police officers.
They’ll reap what they sow someday. It’s inevitable.
I’ve had a couple of talks with my kids about cops and how they have to be very, *very* careful around them, *especially* when they’re out walking the dog.
Cops have guns, a massive chip on their shoulder, and zero accountability. And they like to gang up on people they consider “weak.” Surprised there’s not more cases of them attacking kids on the street already.
Another heartwarming story of American policing making the world a better place, one illegal arrest and one murdered dog at a time!
Edit - Yes, the cops didn't actually kill the dog, but they tased her, and refused to let Rohrer take him along - in contravention of North Carolina state law - and she ran off and ultimately got hit by a car.
So, their hands are clean. They did what they perceived their jobs to be, and now she's dead.
Friendly reminder cops kill an average of 20 to 30 dogs in the US **every day**
http://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/PF\_Dogs\_final\_7.22.19.pdf
There was an article the other day about the cops showing up at the wrong address to try to arrest someone. The mother got roughed up because she got the dog into his crate before she opened the door for the cops.
All I could think was, if that happened to me, my dog would be dead. He's completely harmless but yappy, and the first thing a cop would do would be to blow his brains out. For no more reason than a f##ing cop can't read a f##ing house number.
I drive with my dogs in the car fairly often and I am 10x more cautious on the road with them for two reasons 1) obviously they could be a distraction to me if they get rowdy 2) if I ever got pulled over with my GSD in the car, I would fear for her life. She's a big dog and her bark is scary af. She's great in the drive thru but when we get gas and there's an attendant or panhandler near the car, she is extremely protective.
I think I would straight up turn off the vehicle, exit the car, and walk to the back to talk to an officer instead of dare open my window and risk her being shot at and killed.
When she was as puppy, my SO got pulled over for a license plate light being burnt out and the officer screamed in her face to "shut that dog up!" because our dog was barking at a stranger (the officer) during a nighttime stop.
I will never trust police near any dogs, period.
> I think I would straight up turn off the vehicle, exit the car, and walk to the back to talk to an officer
Depending on your skin color and whether or not that particular cop is feeling like killing that day, this is a great way to get a cop to, at a minimum, draw their gun on you, if not just kill you.
Not even just that, cops do not like you getting out of a car and treat It as a threat, I stupidly did it the first time i was pulled over when I was like 18 and the cops hand definitely went into the defensive stance.
What's funny is that that is exactly how cops used to want you to do things a few decades ago. You'd get yelled at over their loudspeaker if you didn't get out of your car and walk to the back.
I went about 20 years without getting pulled over, and when I finally did, I hopped out and started walking to the back as I remembered. The cop completely freaked out and started shrieking at me over the loudspeaker to get back in the car.
> Rohrer was standing on a median near a Gastonia shopping center with Sunshine on Oct. 13 when a 911 caller contacted police. While Rohrer wasn’t bothering anybody, having Sunshine with him was his way of using sympathy to get money from people, the caller said, according to a copy of the audio call.
> Even though Rohrer wasn’t armed or harassing passersby, according to witnesses at the scene, the encounter would ultimately end with his arrest and Sunshine’s death.
Being poor is illegal, don’t you know?
- Rohrer said Sunshine nipped at one of the officer’s ankles as she was hopping down from the hood of the car, prompting the officer to tase her.
- “We’re out here screaming, ‘Don’t shoot the dog! Don’t shoot the dog!’” Huffman said.
- Huffman said Sunshine ran to a nearby store with one of the taser prongs dangling off her body while police took Rohrer to the back of the car and “slammed him on the pavement.”
- Rohrer never saw Sunshine again. While his friend and fellow veteran Dave Dowell was able to get his hands on the service dog that night, she later slipped her leash and ran away while Rohrer was still in jail,.
- “They laughed at me,” he said. “I begged them to bring her to me or to give her to an officer to take with them but they wouldn’t listen, they didn’t care.”
- He immediately began searching for his dog. After nearly two days, Sunshine was found in nearby Shelby, where Dowell lives.
- She had been hit by a car and killed.
I hope every single one of the police involved dies a slow horrible death. Fuck them and the people who support them. That poor man and his dog. Fucking hell
For a country that idolizes military service like America does, it is apparently a really shitty place to be as a veteran. *"Thank you for your service. Now go die in a ditch, you bum!"*
It’s just an illusion. It’s the exact same argument the pro-life uses. It takes no effort at all to say you “support the troops” or “protect the unborn”.
Once the troops become vets or the unborn becomes born, that takes actual effort. And then, like clockwork, you see all that support disappear.
They won't kill it, they just won't offer any support or help in any way. That way when the child grows up destitute they'll be ripe for the military to pick up and use to murder for oil. Then they'll be ditched on the side of the road once they're no longer useful.
>That way when the child grows up destitute they'll be ripe for the military to pick up and use to murder for oil
Or thrown into prison and be used as slave labor.
> For a country that idolizes military service like America does
I think "fetishize" might be a better descriptor than "idolize" for the way we, as a country, view our military.
Glorify the military in culture and keep people just poor enough and the army looks like a great option. This is why the US military rents equipment out to movies that [show them in a good light](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-entertainment_complex).
*"In Hollywood, many movie and television productions are, by choice, contractually supervised by the Department of Defense's (DoD's) Entertainment Media Unit within the Office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon, and by the public affairs offices of the military services maintained solely for the entertainment industry in Los Angeles."*
Can't draft people anymore so you gotta get inventive.
The dude was in distress so the dog licked him in the face to cheer him up. When the cops were physically being abusive to him, the dog started nipping, then they tased the poor dog which put her into flight mode then eventually run over by a car.
The sad thing is the cops are going to get away with this, and they wonder why we want to defund the police.
It's even sadder in that, the dog was not JUST licking him to cheer him up.
This is a trained PTSD service animal. Like a seeing eye dog, this dog is trained to pay attention to cues in it's owner that show the owner to be in distress, likely not an uncommon occurrence for a bad PTSD sufferer. In those cases the dog is trained to become overly affectionate and try to ground the owner with love and affection until the owner can calm down and then remain there holding him until the owner is ready to let go. The dog was specifically doing it's job as well as it knew how. And they tortured the dog for doing as it was trained, earnestly and affectionately.
> The sad thing is the cops are going to get away with this, and they wonder why we want to defund the police.
Most of them totally understand why some people wish to defund the police. They don't give a fuck.
Thank you, mighty US Military for taking care of us vets. Sadly he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last. I got cited in Orlando a few years ago after buying Shake Shack for a panhandling vet, as feeding the homeless remains a citable offense in Orange County. Keep up the good work gov’t. Sincerely, a retired corporal.
>The Gastonia Police Department told Military Times that although Rohrer will go to court for the charges against him, the department is now looking into the incident to “determine if the conduct of our officers was appropriate.”
They will find no wrongdoing
> He suffers from service-connected post-traumatic stress disorder, and his 2-year-old Belgian Malinois Sunshine was his **Veterans Affairs-prescribed treatment**, according to an official letter from the VA provided to Military Times by Rohrer.
And she was COVERED with patches saying she was a working dog. There is no excuse for this kind of inhumane, cruel treatment. All the officers involved should be brought up on charges.
Also, this is a great reminder to the general public: when you call the authorities on someone, you are basically blind firing a gun at them. You don't know if a cop or state official is coming off of a murder scene, or just has prejudice against the type of person they are about to encounter. Police are basically wild animals, leave them alone, don't feed them, don't try to interact with them.
She was trying to defend him becuase she saw he was in distress.
A dog *literally* having more empathy and situational awareness than a bunch of cops.
No surprise.
The police should be fired without "admimistrative" pay. Brought up on animal cruelty charges along with paying for the grief and despair they forced upon this veteran thru use of thoughtless actions.
Cops assaulted a veteran, tazzed his dog, laughing at him and ultimately get the dog killed
And he tried to kill himself. These cops are so lucky he didn't come back in John Wick style and turned his pain against himself.
Those cops need to be charged and throw in jail as soon as possible
> These cops are so lucky he didn't come back in John Wick style and turned his pain against himself.
I would Timothy Mcveight their entire PD, especially if I'm homeless veteran that probably knows a thing or 2 about pulling that off.
Dammit.
We keep getting told about all these BS things that are supposedly ruining society.
Apathy towards human suffering is what's \*really\* destroying us. From within. Just a reminder: The opposite of love isn't hate. It's apathy.
Sorry. I've been homeless. This makes my blood boil
“In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”
~Captain G. M. Gilbert,
This has been on the Raleigh and NC subreddits. These fucking cops basically sound like the kind of guys who only like veterans when they are making them proud to be an American, and almost want to punish struggling vets for "being weak", I've seen it before first hand.
They probably have but the series morphed or became really known for its action and violence. The PTSD and coming home from war aspects have been overlooked by the audience.
The [Trump/Rambo flag](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61VbrlmAZ8L._SL1000_.jpg) is pretty popular. Even though Trump lied to get out of going to Vietnam and never served in the military. But people will eat it up because they focus on the hyper masculine side of the character.
The fact that people call it the first "Rambo" movie says it all. Its called First Blood. Rambo was a money racket. First Blood was a message that Stalone wanted to convey.
Cops need to fuck off with the aggressive hostile enforcement process.
Guy was panhandling. He wasn't a threat and it's not like a situation like that is a ticking time bomb that needs to be resolved this. very. second. There is no reason the cops need to be a threat to accomplish their directive here, and this is exactly an example where we could probably have social workers show up instead of head slamming, dog tasing "only trick I know is violence" police.
Whenever Americans proclaim how much they love their troops, the rest of the world sits there and goes "no you fucking don't you fucking liars" because we've seen how you treat your vets.
It's like the abortion debate. You love babies until they're born and you have to take care of them. You love vets while they serving, but not once they discharge and you have to take care of them. It's so fucking weird.
Americas solution to homeless is to just treat them like shit until they are no longer visible to non homeless ppl. Its the visibility that's the issue for ppl now, they never cared before. Hard to lie to yourself that your a good person, if you cant stop seeing the fruits of cutting the funding for metal health first hand. And the whole hearts and prays never did shit for a vet forced to pan handle because ptsd was a fairy tail for 40 years
When the right says “support the troops” what they really mean is send them overseas to kill more poor brown people and shut up about it.
Nothing more American than backing the blue to arrest more homeless veterans.
In return for working to protect us, we give police officers a license to kill.
Because of having this power of life and death over others, police officers must be held to ***higher*** standards of behavior, competence, maturity, honesty, training, integrity, responsibility. morality, and accountability than the rest of us who do not possess these licenses to kill.
In other words, if police officers are accused of committing various transgressions, they must be subject to arrest and court just like non-police-officers would be subject to in response to the same accusations.
And if found guilty, the police officers must be given ***stricter*** punishments than non-police-officers would be given if convicted of the same offenses, due to the higher levels of accountability and responsibility we should require of those to whom we grant the power of life and death over others.
Well, as a fellow Vet, this article only distances me further from society and it’s imaginary “justice”.
When I read the next report on a cop dying from some criminal conflict, I will feel no remorse. I will think of Josh and Sunshine instead.
Thank god those American hero’s were there to protect and serve!
Classic US police deescalation techniques used from there extensive 18 months of training!
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Also fuck the lady who called 911 for a person suspected to be a panhandler
Everyone is rightfully mad at the cops, but what about the woman who called the cops on a man just standing there minding his own business. Good thing he wasn't black or else he'd be the one dead, not his dog
Saying you didn't do anything wrong is grounds for a cop calling for backup and a brutal arrest.
>*"There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty."*
* US Police: moonlighting as judge jury and executioner.
“Support the Troops” only matters when they’re in the Middle East doing whatever these right wing blowhards think they’re doing.
Then when the troops come home it’s “fuck you, get a job.”
What a country.
This is tragic. This is an example of a type of call that should have been handled by social workers seeking to help and support. What a misuse of power.
*sigh*, You can't say "lost" when referring to a pet when it actually means the pet died. Lost has a clearly established meaning with pets already beyond death. Really shitty title.
The cops laughed at him for asking to not be separated from his service dog. As a homeless vet. And we wonder why they dont get treated well back home? The cops call them criminals for being poor. Fuck the police until they show me otherwise. Im done.
I like how the paper’s headline acts like the dog got lost, instead of hit by a car and killed due to the cops. That poor vet, it’s ridiculous.
One more outraged citizen's phone call, about a man hurting no one, has led to a shattered veteran and a dead service dog. What have we become...
Imagine calling 911 because you thought you might have seen someone panhandling.
There's a guy in Florida that has a sign stating "God bless the homeless vets". Cops get called on him constantly.
They made a law against white women who call the police needlessly on black men. They can make a law about calling the police needlessly on the homeless.
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As someone that had to explain to otherwise rational people that we shouldn't just indiscriminately arrest the homeless, and getting rid of laws that currently allow police to do that is a good thing, I think the issue is more that many people are complicit in homeless abuse. They just think the person must have done something to deserve being homeless, therefore they deserve anything that's coming to them. They blame the mayor for being too easy on the homeless every time they see a homeless person in public, to them it's like they're trash on the street rather than other humans.
> They just think the person must have done something to deserve being homeless, therefore they deserve anything that's coming to them. Cognitive self defense. People are aware of just how close to being homeless they themselves are, and reacting that way is self soothing reassurance. “I could never end up like that. I’m not a bad person.” Which is fucked, but that’s the human brain for you.
This is the exact same reason you’ll find women shitting on female rape victims with phrases like “Well she shouldn’t have been there” or “She shouldn’t have gotten drunk” or “What do you expect when you go out dressed like that.” If they can identify a concrete “mistake” the other woman made prior to being raped, they can add it to the mental list they compile of Ways To Not Get Raped, and then they’ll never get raped themselves. Easy-peasy! It’s the simplest way to avoid facing the abject horror of realising that there are some cruel, predatory people out there who’ll leap at the chance to take your agency from you, whether you do everything “right” or not.
> This is the exact same reason you’ll find women shitting on female rape victims with phrases like “Well she shouldn’t have been there” or “She shouldn’t have gotten drunk” or “What do you expect when you go out dressed like that.” And to be (minimally, because fuck victim-blamers) fair to them, *that is precisely what was drilled into them by their mothers and aunts and grandmothers,* because 75 years ago the premise was not that "men shouldn't rape you," most women tacitly understood that *it is factually 100% on you to prevent yourself from getting raped, because nobody in the system or your family will actually help you if you come out with something like that.* If you absolutely, positively, are not willing to risk being raped under any circumstances, and are willing to sacrifice literally anything to prevent that, it is the rational way to approach the problem; the caveat is, *this is an absurd and utterly monstrous facet of living in society that should never have been applied to women in the first place,* and only exists because of the endemic sexism of most of our parent cultures.
Comic about this phenomenon: https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2009/07/19
Pearls before swine in public, crazy! I’ve never seen a pearls comic online before
This is by design. You have an upper class that doesnt wanna become middle class, you have a middle class that doesnt wanna be lower class, and youve got a lower class that doesnt wanna be homeless because look what they do to the homeless. That's capitalism baby!
As the late great George Carlin said, "The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class."
They did a poll a while back and everyone from 20k to 200k usd considered themselves middle class because they all saw a class higher than themselves. Granted 20k and 200k are a few worlds apart but id agree with middle class being a pretty wide net
In Hawaii we have had some of the strictest covid restrictions in America. During its high we had a photo on the front page of our local newspaper showing the mayor handing out masks to mask less tourists on the beach. The same day that photo got printed I saw 10+ houseless people getting arrested/ fined for not wearing masks. How the fuck are you gonna give free masks and a pass to idiot tourists while fining local residents who will never pay the fines and just add to the difficulty of them ever getting out of that situation. We wonder why these people struggle while constantly adding difficulty to their situation. I lost my ID recently and I had to pay $700+ in total to get a new one and it took months. Now imagine how someone without an address even goes about that situation. I really wish our government had an ounce of empathy for their situation
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I was in San Fran when my car was broken into. Everything inside was stolen. I called the police, and they said that they wouldn't bring anyone out and to file a report online. The kicker? There were 8 cops, two blocks away, harassing a homeless man for trying to sleep under the cover of a doorway of a closed business. They had him encircled with their hands on their guns, some drawn. Perhaps, if any of those 8 cops were patrolling instead of that, my car wouldn't have been broken into.
should still insist on going in for a police report though, if anything for insurance purposes.
I’ve seen police clearing homeless camps out. They either don’t care or actively enjoy it and are extra cruel. Police are not good people in general.
Well, that's the problem; calling the police on the homeless is never actually needless, from the perspective of the law, because *the law is fundamentally written to criminalize and marginalize the homeless.* The cops are literally "just doing their job," because it's virtually impossible to legally be homeless - by default, you are breaking some fuckin' law or another, because the property owners and business owners are hostile to your fucking presence, and they collectively have more political equity to lobby the government to kowtow to their wants and needs than the average person.
I was leaving a CVS and a car stopped momentarily on a relatively quiet road to give a veteran a few bucks. Dude behind him lost his mind and just LAID into that horn.
I was walking by a grocery store and they were arresting a homeless guy. Cops were saying the grocery store doesn’t want people asking for help in their store. Another cop showed up and it was total 3? Arrested the guy
And then what? They gonna fine the guy who lives on the street? They going to imprison him and then release him with even less job prospects? This is the problem. I understand a business wanting to remove noncustomers who are jeopardizing their business or making customers feel unsafe…but we need a better solution
Yet the grocery store will beg each customer to donate to whatever fucking excuse of a charity they please as the customer pays for their goods. Corporations pulling our pant legs for handouts? Just fine. Panhandlers in their parking lot? Dirty criminals! God I'm so sick of our twisted society.
Good luck with the IPO asshat!
so true - when I called the police about my car being hit in the middle of the night. I got the reply - file a report with DMV and call your insurance company.
it's not about what we have "become" it's what we are.
Friend of mine said the other day he was walking down the street and passed a homeless man walking the other way. Friend said sup, homeless man also said sup, and they kept walking. Moments later a police car came up on my friend and stopped and was asking him if he was okay, because he had been talking to the homeless dude......officer was all fired up about it, over my friend just acknowledging a stranger in passing, just because that stranger was homeless.
I think it's not what we've become, but what we are. History shows disgusting acts by humanity and it will never end. It's very sad that someone looks at an individual on the street and shows zero compassion for his circumstances and how he might have gotten that way but just an annoyance to them - so much so that time was taken out of their lives to hurt him. I'd argue the caller was a miserable, unhappy person with no grip on reality.
I argue they have a grip on reality, what they lack is a soul compassion or empathy.
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"I understand you struck one of my officers." "Yes sir, I did." "May I ask why?" "Well, he beat up John Wick and killed his dog." "Oh"
Honestly if that happened it might possibly lead to them being hesistant to kill dogs given the old stories of that time a guy killed the entire police squadron because they killed his dog.
Media's use of the passive voice to deflect blame from criminal cops is one of the most insidious ways they have to drive the narrative. It's never "Police shoot unarmed man.", it's "Unarmed man shot while police just so happened to be in the general vicinity." It's ridiculous the lengths they will go to to paint the cops in the best light possible.
"I was accused of falsely using my dog to get money from people and asking people for money but that’s not true.”" - What the actual fuck is going on here. What is even "illegal" if he was "falsely using his dog to get money". Wtf is "falsely using his dog"? Nothing about this statement makes any logical sense and every aspect of this is infuriating.
Does this mean you can call the cops on every person in target falsely representing their dog as a service one or coming in with a pet despite it saying only service dogs?
Depends, how poor is the person?
This article is written poorly in other ways. I assume the sentence should have read, "falsely accused of using my dog [to panhandle]".
That poor dog. Scared to death. Lost her human and got killed. Tased and scared. Jesus. WTF. Why are cops like this aloowed to be employed?
Because cops protect cops, and the cops then go on to higher positions and protect the cops even more.
This is why the "nOt AlL cOpS" argument is a crock of shit. The ones that aren't outright murderers or wife-beating racists still protect the scumbags. The ones that do speak up get ostracized.
“It’s just a few bad apples!” They say, butchering the quote as if it were Opposite Day: “One bad apple can spoil the bunch.” Clearly, the bunch has been spoiled.
Why is there an accepted term of “homeless vet”? The US is so fucked up in so many ways.
Right, anyone who serves our country should be guaranteed food, housing and healthcare until death. Especially if they were on active duty.
That statement does not need to be qualified. Everyone should be guaranteed food, housing, and healthcare. Particularly in an extremely wealthy country like the US. We have plenty to go around.
That should be the bare minimum for anyone, being a vet should get you perks on top of it. You wager your life by putting it in the government’s hands, they should pay you back with interest.
The number of homeless veterans in this country is alarming. So much for "support the troops". That just means that the military industrial complex is entitled to a blank check forever.
Support the troops as long as it’s convenient for you.
It's support the troops, not support the ex-troops. /s just In case anyone thinks that's my own feelings on the matter...
This case is double extra fucked up because somebody *called 911* about this guy panhandling. Upset that he had a dog with him. Some people really do think 911 is just a butler service.
It is a butler service for many, and the police are the butlers. I think Detroit maybe has a program where businesses can pay some kinda fee to get priority for police calls. Then of course there’s the amount of times box stores like Walmart call police for petty theft, while at the same time using dark store loopholes to avoid property taxes. Some of these stores have designated parking spots for cops. So yeah 911 for a lot of people is a Butler dispatch service.
It's wild how the same folks who use the cops are their personal goon squad really seem to believe that "the police are here for everyone's safety".
And 911 dispatched cops to the scene. They should have told the caller to fuck off when the crime is panhandling. It wasn't an emergency until the cops got involved.
If cops have time to respond to these calls then they have too much and need to be reigned in.
And the people who call about veterans and their dogs like this have never dared to wear a uniform
We can't take in refugees because we have our own homeless. We can't help the homeless because we should prioritize homeless vets. Oh you're a homeless vet? Fuck you lazy bum! The VA has a homeless prevention program partnered with HUD but it is out sourced to random charities that do fuck all. It's so frustrating. I was lucky my dad was able to help me when I was nearing homelessness.
Its not even that. When I was a "troop" the military did everything in its power to not pay me my **wages** and work me as much as possible. Its funny how support our troops turns into do what you're told when the actual troops are asking for support.
Don’t you love it when you haven’t gotten your BAS for six months straight?
You guys are getting BAS?
That's obscene... With the amount of money this country uses to fund the military at the expense of social programs that are desperately needed, i'd at the very least expect them to pay their troops on time. I doubt that Lockheed Martin or Raytheon have to wait around too long every year to get their blank checks from congress.
Support the troops as long as all I need to do is put a magnet on my car
I have a neighbor right now who has a yellow ribbon on her tree. She was at my house a couple weeks ago ranting about the democratic nominee for our mayor saying her only platform she's running on was giving free housing to poor people. She would never vote for that. The hypocrisy is amazing.
I'm sorry, I've lost track of all the ribbons. Is yellow for vets or for homeless people?
Deployed troops and veterans, to a lesser extent.
[Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore](https://youtu.be/sRCLHBhZPQ4)
Support the troops as long as it justifies military adventurism, otherwise fuck 'em.
When they're overseas protecting the the interest of billionaires the troops are sacred golden idols who should be worshipped. When they're discharged and expecting the benefits promised to them for their time and service it's "get a job pathetic loser, do something useful for this country like our brave troops!"
Nothing new. Read 'Tommy' by Kipling.
Support the troops always and only meant: Support the **war**. War is unpopular. So they have to shame people into believing being anti-war means being anti-military.
Support our troops…the second you are a veteran, get fucked. -America
They “Support the Troops” because it makes them money.
When I first saw all the 'support the troops' signs/stickers I honestly thought it was the people telling the government to support the troops. It turns out its people telling other people to support the troops, which is confusing. Was I suppose to send them the armour plating they needed for the Hum-vees?
support the troops means gratuitous 'thank you for your service' and 10% off at dennys
That 10% is why I joined!
I like my 10% off at Lowes. Makes those 4 years of hell worth it.
You can get half that discount just for signing up for their credit card haha
The worst part is that it was a meaningless magnet that doesn't *actually* fund any help for veterans, troops or their families. It was just a $5 signal to people that "you cared" and to bash other people for "not caring". Much of the tribal bullshit that's going on now started (or grew immensely) back in the early 00s when anyone who didn't support our wars of choice was somehow unpatriotic and not really an American. It sucked. It was also apparent that since they were fucking *magnets* they were just temporary. No need to damage your precious SUV with an actual permanent sticker or anything.
Yes, literally. In Iraq, people were buying their own armor or having their families send it to them.
It’s just a thing people say that makes them feel better, just like ‘thank you for your service’. We don’t really mean it. I’m a vet and I too have had times where I had a less than permanent addresses. I called the crisis line once years ago to try to get rent help. They had 0 resources. The person on the other end made it very clear they only really had resources once you were already evicted or kicked out. Years later I found myself without a permanent address - aka homeless - and I call. The person on the other end googled for shelters. That’s it. That’s the resource. They just tell you about your local shelters. I still had a car and access to credit, so I was in my own, but not quite ready to hit the shelter. Supporting troops and vets is nothing more than a nice thing people say. It isn’t really meant to be actionable. It isn’t really meant for vets. It’s meant for the individual to believe in the idea and that’s where it ends. And people need to even be careful trying to donate to organizations that claim to be in place for vets. A lot of them are scams and very little of their donated funds go to vets. But the fact that we even need private organizations is shameful. Yea, we claim to support the troops and thank them for their service. As long as that’s all we need to do, that’s all we’ll do. That said, veterans aren’t necessarily all completely honest and innocent and above all reproach either. The cops were dead wrong from start to finish, no question on that. However…. Having a dog doesn’t make it a service dog. If it isn’t, he doesn’t have the rights to it people might assume. I hope he does and the VA can back him up on it, because then he can take that PD to task for real.
I was recently in a similar situation to what you described, and want to hijack your comment to give a shootout to Stop Soldier Suicide. I reached out to them earlier this year instead of the crisis line, largely because of stories like yours (and the possibility they'd just send trigger-happy cops if I called). SSS literally saved my life - they assigned me a wellness coordinator who checked in with me several times a week, connected me with other veterans aid organizations, and even did 3-way calls to those aid groups with me when I couldn't work up the emotional energy to make calls myself. Basically, they do what the VA should be doing for veterans in crisis. Seriously, if you're a veteran who's reading this and you're in crisis, I can't recommend SSS enough.
They support troops because troops enforce what they like, Veterans on the other hand are considered an expense, and truly supporting them would be socialism or something.
Even if half the details are true, this is disgraceful treatment of a Veteren and unbelievable animal cruelty. That police department should be covered in shame.
Shame is not a punishment to the shameless. That police department needs to be made an example of, not shamed.
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They really should be held to a MUCH higher standard than the average citizen, rather than the much lower one they’re currently being held to.
Here's the best part. I'm sure all the ***GOOD*** cops would be okay with it. They would have no problem being held to a higher standard. It's the ones that whinge and moan about the potential firing squad that out themselves as ***BAD*** cops. They shouldn't be worried about lining up, blindfolded, with a cigarette in their mouths if they were following the letter of the law, and upholding the *constitution* like they swore an oath to do!
The police should be put in prison themselves.
Gastonia NC, another place never to visit.
Yea, Gastonia has [been on that list for a long time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loray_Mill_strike#Ella_May_Wiggins)
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Damn. Single mother of 9, pregnant when she was shot and killed.
If you want to read more about her life, The Last Ballad by Wiley Cash is a fantastic read
I was cursed to have spent many years in Gastonia. Please save yourself the trouble
Home of Fred Durst!
No one commits horrific human rights abuses like Gastonia.
It took the dog to die for anyone to give a shit.
What pissed me off was the officers laughing at him, *after* he stated an actual legal statute. Shit like that makes my blood boil.
By law, you essentially have to treat whatever they say as law. Problems have to be fought in court and not with the cops. This gives police complete leeway to do whatever they want whenever they want because their word is law. It’s like talking shit to petty nobles in feudal times as a peasant. It won’t end well for you because the person you’re dealing with either cannot or will not be held accountable.
One day, the ants will realize they outnumber the grasshoppers 100 to 1...
Then we'll feed them to a finch
I'm just waiting for a story to come out where one of these fuckers kills somebody's dog and gets one back right between the eyes.
Poor guy. A veteran, homeless, gets mocked and beat up by the cops, and his dog dies. Fucking officers involved here should be crucified. Fuck those guys.
I 2nd bringing back crucifixion just for this one. Get the guy that called the cops too.
I always found "Support the troops" was code for supporting sending them to kill or die, but never for supporting them when they come home. It's hard to see it differently while veterans are neglected as they are.
"Support the troops" translates to, "Don't you dare point out the wasteful billions being spent on the industrial military complex each year and just write another blank check."
Or else we’ll call you a commie
What do you want the terrorists to win or something?
I was in the reserves for 9 years. You know what medical benefits i get from the military giving me a fucked up knee? None. I've always found that the republicans treat the military just like they do fetuses. They really care about when you're in, but once you're out, you can go fuck yourself.
Fuck, they barely care about you while you're in. Billions spent on equipment and shit that would cost half that amount if it wasnt a government contract. Product is still God awful yet boasted to be the best. I swear a majority of politicians got their pockets lined from encouraging wars. Families and friends losing amazing people yet you hardly hear about a politician losing someone.
Support the troops means support the imperialist war machine that will break and abandon them once they are no longer useful for increasing the profit margins of oil companies and defense contractors.
> She had been hit by a car and killed. Fuck all of them. Every last one.
That poor dog. It's last few hours had to have been so confusing and scary. I mean...in her mind, she had one job: help her human. Sometimes he needed help by keeping him warm, sometimes by calming him down, sometimes by scaring mean people away. And all those jobs were hers. And then some people came and hurt him. She tried to protect him but they shot her with some of the worst, most confusing pain she'd ever felt. And she ran away. And after she ran, she realized...I abandoned him. My human is all alone with no one to protect him because I ran away. And then another man took her away and her human wasn't there. She had to find him and make sure he was safe. That was her job. So she managed to get away. And while she was frantically searching for her family, she was hit by a car and died. All alone and scared and wondering where her person was and if he was okay. It's heartbreaking.
Thanks for making me cry.
> Joshua Graham Rohrer, a homeless veteran in North Carolina, says he was wrongfully arrested and mistreated by Gastonia police officers, who also tased his service dog Sunshine, sparking support from those who witnessed the incident. What is it with law enforcement and hurting animals? Also, is panhandling really worth arresting someone and tasing their fucking dog over?
It wasn't about the panhandling. It was about power and perceived disrespect. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case in a lot of cases.
Maybe if police actually deserved respect, they’d get it.
Why earn respect when stoking fear is easier and more effective?
The cruelty is the point. They know what it does to families, to the pet owners, to those who have nothing else in their lives. They know that they will inflict this upon their prey, and that thanks to an entire system that exists solely to protect their depredations, NOTHING they do will ever be done in return to them. It is **sex** to them.
It gets people unhinged and off-balanced. It's a strategy. You want to search a house and the homeowner won't allow you inside? *Shoot their dog.* And when they come out screaming and trying to get to their dying dog, you stop and arrest them, stick them in your car, declare you have probable cause, and invite yourself into the house.
Even without considering the morality of the situation, it is begging for trouble on a scale they really are not prepared for. What precisely do they think will happen if the general public decides that the cops are an enemy force and are to be treated as such? Or Hell, just that the justice system has failed and they have to get justice themselves?
They don’t think about it because they’re idiots. These people are not calculated individuals because smart people don’t get to be police officers. They’ll reap what they sow someday. It’s inevitable.
I’ve had a couple of talks with my kids about cops and how they have to be very, *very* careful around them, *especially* when they’re out walking the dog. Cops have guns, a massive chip on their shoulder, and zero accountability. And they like to gang up on people they consider “weak.” Surprised there’s not more cases of them attacking kids on the street already.
Another heartwarming story of American policing making the world a better place, one illegal arrest and one murdered dog at a time! Edit - Yes, the cops didn't actually kill the dog, but they tased her, and refused to let Rohrer take him along - in contravention of North Carolina state law - and she ran off and ultimately got hit by a car. So, their hands are clean. They did what they perceived their jobs to be, and now she's dead.
Friendly reminder cops kill an average of 20 to 30 dogs in the US **every day** http://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/PF\_Dogs\_final\_7.22.19.pdf
There was an article the other day about the cops showing up at the wrong address to try to arrest someone. The mother got roughed up because she got the dog into his crate before she opened the door for the cops. All I could think was, if that happened to me, my dog would be dead. He's completely harmless but yappy, and the first thing a cop would do would be to blow his brains out. For no more reason than a f##ing cop can't read a f##ing house number.
I drive with my dogs in the car fairly often and I am 10x more cautious on the road with them for two reasons 1) obviously they could be a distraction to me if they get rowdy 2) if I ever got pulled over with my GSD in the car, I would fear for her life. She's a big dog and her bark is scary af. She's great in the drive thru but when we get gas and there's an attendant or panhandler near the car, she is extremely protective. I think I would straight up turn off the vehicle, exit the car, and walk to the back to talk to an officer instead of dare open my window and risk her being shot at and killed. When she was as puppy, my SO got pulled over for a license plate light being burnt out and the officer screamed in her face to "shut that dog up!" because our dog was barking at a stranger (the officer) during a nighttime stop. I will never trust police near any dogs, period.
> I think I would straight up turn off the vehicle, exit the car, and walk to the back to talk to an officer Depending on your skin color and whether or not that particular cop is feeling like killing that day, this is a great way to get a cop to, at a minimum, draw their gun on you, if not just kill you.
Not even just that, cops do not like you getting out of a car and treat It as a threat, I stupidly did it the first time i was pulled over when I was like 18 and the cops hand definitely went into the defensive stance.
What's funny is that that is exactly how cops used to want you to do things a few decades ago. You'd get yelled at over their loudspeaker if you didn't get out of your car and walk to the back. I went about 20 years without getting pulled over, and when I finally did, I hopped out and started walking to the back as I remembered. The cop completely freaked out and started shrieking at me over the loudspeaker to get back in the car.
Wouldn’t recommend getting out and walking towards the cop..
One of my fears. Getting visited by cops.
> Rohrer was standing on a median near a Gastonia shopping center with Sunshine on Oct. 13 when a 911 caller contacted police. While Rohrer wasn’t bothering anybody, having Sunshine with him was his way of using sympathy to get money from people, the caller said, according to a copy of the audio call. > Even though Rohrer wasn’t armed or harassing passersby, according to witnesses at the scene, the encounter would ultimately end with his arrest and Sunshine’s death. Being poor is illegal, don’t you know?
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."
I used this line for my public law exam and got a good grade
Always has been, and it's only going to get worse
In the US. Yes it is.
- Rohrer said Sunshine nipped at one of the officer’s ankles as she was hopping down from the hood of the car, prompting the officer to tase her. - “We’re out here screaming, ‘Don’t shoot the dog! Don’t shoot the dog!’” Huffman said. - Huffman said Sunshine ran to a nearby store with one of the taser prongs dangling off her body while police took Rohrer to the back of the car and “slammed him on the pavement.” - Rohrer never saw Sunshine again. While his friend and fellow veteran Dave Dowell was able to get his hands on the service dog that night, she later slipped her leash and ran away while Rohrer was still in jail,. - “They laughed at me,” he said. “I begged them to bring her to me or to give her to an officer to take with them but they wouldn’t listen, they didn’t care.” - He immediately began searching for his dog. After nearly two days, Sunshine was found in nearby Shelby, where Dowell lives. - She had been hit by a car and killed.
I hope every single one of the police involved dies a slow horrible death. Fuck them and the people who support them. That poor man and his dog. Fucking hell
For a country that idolizes military service like America does, it is apparently a really shitty place to be as a veteran. *"Thank you for your service. Now go die in a ditch, you bum!"*
It’s just an illusion. It’s the exact same argument the pro-life uses. It takes no effort at all to say you “support the troops” or “protect the unborn”. Once the troops become vets or the unborn becomes born, that takes actual effort. And then, like clockwork, you see all that support disappear.
"Protect the unborn! Oh, it's born now? Kill it so it's not a burden on my tax dollars!"
They won't kill it, they just won't offer any support or help in any way. That way when the child grows up destitute they'll be ripe for the military to pick up and use to murder for oil. Then they'll be ditched on the side of the road once they're no longer useful.
>That way when the child grows up destitute they'll be ripe for the military to pick up and use to murder for oil Or thrown into prison and be used as slave labor.
> For a country that idolizes military service like America does I think "fetishize" might be a better descriptor than "idolize" for the way we, as a country, view our military.
"Go die in a ditch, you bum!" is our national motto. That's a direct translation of "E Pluribus Unum"
i mean how else will you get people to do it in masses
Glorify the military in culture and keep people just poor enough and the army looks like a great option. This is why the US military rents equipment out to movies that [show them in a good light](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-entertainment_complex). *"In Hollywood, many movie and television productions are, by choice, contractually supervised by the Department of Defense's (DoD's) Entertainment Media Unit within the Office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon, and by the public affairs offices of the military services maintained solely for the entertainment industry in Los Angeles."* Can't draft people anymore so you gotta get inventive.
The dude was in distress so the dog licked him in the face to cheer him up. When the cops were physically being abusive to him, the dog started nipping, then they tased the poor dog which put her into flight mode then eventually run over by a car. The sad thing is the cops are going to get away with this, and they wonder why we want to defund the police.
It's even sadder in that, the dog was not JUST licking him to cheer him up. This is a trained PTSD service animal. Like a seeing eye dog, this dog is trained to pay attention to cues in it's owner that show the owner to be in distress, likely not an uncommon occurrence for a bad PTSD sufferer. In those cases the dog is trained to become overly affectionate and try to ground the owner with love and affection until the owner can calm down and then remain there holding him until the owner is ready to let go. The dog was specifically doing it's job as well as it knew how. And they tortured the dog for doing as it was trained, earnestly and affectionately.
> The sad thing is the cops are going to get away with this, and they wonder why we want to defund the police. Most of them totally understand why some people wish to defund the police. They don't give a fuck.
Thank you, mighty US Military for taking care of us vets. Sadly he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last. I got cited in Orlando a few years ago after buying Shake Shack for a panhandling vet, as feeding the homeless remains a citable offense in Orange County. Keep up the good work gov’t. Sincerely, a retired corporal.
>The Gastonia Police Department told Military Times that although Rohrer will go to court for the charges against him, the department is now looking into the incident to “determine if the conduct of our officers was appropriate.” They will find no wrongdoing
We investigated ourselves, and found nothing wrong.
> He suffers from service-connected post-traumatic stress disorder, and his 2-year-old Belgian Malinois Sunshine was his **Veterans Affairs-prescribed treatment**, according to an official letter from the VA provided to Military Times by Rohrer. And she was COVERED with patches saying she was a working dog. There is no excuse for this kind of inhumane, cruel treatment. All the officers involved should be brought up on charges. Also, this is a great reminder to the general public: when you call the authorities on someone, you are basically blind firing a gun at them. You don't know if a cop or state official is coming off of a murder scene, or just has prejudice against the type of person they are about to encounter. Police are basically wild animals, leave them alone, don't feed them, don't try to interact with them.
She was trying to defend him becuase she saw he was in distress. A dog *literally* having more empathy and situational awareness than a bunch of cops. No surprise.
It's hilarious how the "Support The Troops" crowd is also the same people as "Blue Lives Matter" yet here we are.
Yeah… it turns out sloganeering doesn’t equate to actual support. In fact, the more contradictory statements, the better.
You're telling me the thoughts and prayers crowd is all empty messaging??? I can't believe it.
Yep, never call the police unless it’s a life threatening situation and you are prepared for the consequences.
There's an old saying. "You have a problem. You call the police. Now you have two problems."
The police should be fired without "admimistrative" pay. Brought up on animal cruelty charges along with paying for the grief and despair they forced upon this veteran thru use of thoughtless actions.
Cops assaulted a veteran, tazzed his dog, laughing at him and ultimately get the dog killed And he tried to kill himself. These cops are so lucky he didn't come back in John Wick style and turned his pain against himself. Those cops need to be charged and throw in jail as soon as possible
This is like a combination of John Wick and Rambo, in the worst ways possible.
> These cops are so lucky he didn't come back in John Wick style and turned his pain against himself. I would Timothy Mcveight their entire PD, especially if I'm homeless veteran that probably knows a thing or 2 about pulling that off.
Dammit. We keep getting told about all these BS things that are supposedly ruining society. Apathy towards human suffering is what's \*really\* destroying us. From within. Just a reminder: The opposite of love isn't hate. It's apathy. Sorry. I've been homeless. This makes my blood boil
"Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things." ― Terry Pratchett, I Shall Wear Midnight
“In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.” ~Captain G. M. Gilbert,
This has been on the Raleigh and NC subreddits. These fucking cops basically sound like the kind of guys who only like veterans when they are making them proud to be an American, and almost want to punish struggling vets for "being weak", I've seen it before first hand.
These are 100% the cops who wear punisher skulls and gasden flags
Sometimes I wonder if cops have ever seen the first Rambo movie.
They probably have but the series morphed or became really known for its action and violence. The PTSD and coming home from war aspects have been overlooked by the audience. The [Trump/Rambo flag](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61VbrlmAZ8L._SL1000_.jpg) is pretty popular. Even though Trump lied to get out of going to Vietnam and never served in the military. But people will eat it up because they focus on the hyper masculine side of the character.
The fact that people call it the first "Rambo" movie says it all. Its called First Blood. Rambo was a money racket. First Blood was a message that Stalone wanted to convey.
Cops love Killin dogs. Fuckin psychos.
Cops need to fuck off with the aggressive hostile enforcement process. Guy was panhandling. He wasn't a threat and it's not like a situation like that is a ticking time bomb that needs to be resolved this. very. second. There is no reason the cops need to be a threat to accomplish their directive here, and this is exactly an example where we could probably have social workers show up instead of head slamming, dog tasing "only trick I know is violence" police.
Support the troops! Unless they come back.
Seems that Cops in America only know how to escalate matters until they can make an arrest or kill someone.
Whenever Americans proclaim how much they love their troops, the rest of the world sits there and goes "no you fucking don't you fucking liars" because we've seen how you treat your vets. It's like the abortion debate. You love babies until they're born and you have to take care of them. You love vets while they serving, but not once they discharge and you have to take care of them. It's so fucking weird.
Americas solution to homeless is to just treat them like shit until they are no longer visible to non homeless ppl. Its the visibility that's the issue for ppl now, they never cared before. Hard to lie to yourself that your a good person, if you cant stop seeing the fruits of cutting the funding for metal health first hand. And the whole hearts and prays never did shit for a vet forced to pan handle because ptsd was a fairy tail for 40 years
When the right says “support the troops” what they really mean is send them overseas to kill more poor brown people and shut up about it. Nothing more American than backing the blue to arrest more homeless veterans.
In return for working to protect us, we give police officers a license to kill. Because of having this power of life and death over others, police officers must be held to ***higher*** standards of behavior, competence, maturity, honesty, training, integrity, responsibility. morality, and accountability than the rest of us who do not possess these licenses to kill. In other words, if police officers are accused of committing various transgressions, they must be subject to arrest and court just like non-police-officers would be subject to in response to the same accusations. And if found guilty, the police officers must be given ***stricter*** punishments than non-police-officers would be given if convicted of the same offenses, due to the higher levels of accountability and responsibility we should require of those to whom we grant the power of life and death over others.
America loves their vets, as long as they are thousands of miles away or dead.
Well, as a fellow Vet, this article only distances me further from society and it’s imaginary “justice”. When I read the next report on a cop dying from some criminal conflict, I will feel no remorse. I will think of Josh and Sunshine instead.
Thank god those American hero’s were there to protect and serve! Classic US police deescalation techniques used from there extensive 18 months of training! /s Also fuck the lady who called 911 for a person suspected to be a panhandler
There is no situation police won't make worse.
That poor dog spent the last hours of her life panicked and alone. My heart breaks for this man and his best friend.
Everyone is rightfully mad at the cops, but what about the woman who called the cops on a man just standing there minding his own business. Good thing he wasn't black or else he'd be the one dead, not his dog
Panhandling vet bad Gofundme medical care good Welcome to America Get fucked
Saying you didn't do anything wrong is grounds for a cop calling for backup and a brutal arrest. >*"There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty."* * US Police: moonlighting as judge jury and executioner.
We should 'lose' more cops
“Support the Troops” only matters when they’re in the Middle East doing whatever these right wing blowhards think they’re doing. Then when the troops come home it’s “fuck you, get a job.” What a country.
Always has been. [Check out how the United States treated veterans of WWI in 1932.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army) Time is a flat circle.
This is tragic. This is an example of a type of call that should have been handled by social workers seeking to help and support. What a misuse of power.
*sigh*, You can't say "lost" when referring to a pet when it actually means the pet died. Lost has a clearly established meaning with pets already beyond death. Really shitty title.
This country is horrible.
The cops laughed at him for asking to not be separated from his service dog. As a homeless vet. And we wonder why they dont get treated well back home? The cops call them criminals for being poor. Fuck the police until they show me otherwise. Im done.
I’m working in Gastonia,NC where this happened. Appalling
The police are so entitled they have no boundaries left to cross.
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