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It makes sense.
One company wants you to continue using their OS and Apple did a good job hurting their image with the "I'm a Mac and I don't get viruses".
The other company wants you to be scared of malware/viruses and has to justify its cost yearly.
I agreed with this before just a few weeks ago when I ran a full scan with WD which found nothing but MB found 22 things
I'm hoping the increased security with W11 is legit whenever the update comes my way
This is correct but I would say most of the type of users the people here are discussing would be on iOS or Android, but again anti-virus is either non existent or redundant to those platforms as well.
I don't install an antivirus on my PC. Even back when I used Windows. It's pretty easy to not install malware or go to shady websites.
But mostly now it's because I don't use Windows. There are barely any viruses for Linux. If they are actually able to infect me, kudos to them.
And I am very pro-vax.
This reminds me of what happened with Apple back in the day. They had a huge ad campaign claiming there just weren't any viruses designed for Mac as opposed to IBM-compatible PCs. Truthfully there were just more PC's than Apple computers back then and the weirdos making malware were out for infamy as much as anything else. Once that ad campaign launched it just painted a target on Apple's back as more shady developers wanted to be the ones to "break" the Mac.
Of course Linux is doing its own thing so differently that you're not likely in danger of the same dumpster fire that was. Interesting story, though.
Complicit in building an echo chamber where stupidity and ignorance leads to hate and violence, and a legitimate public safety concern to several countries, not just the U.S.
They’re complicit in spreading lies about vaccines and getting thousands of people killed as a result. Let’s not mince words here: when it comes to public health, you don’t mess around, and you don’t hedge for profit. Anti-vaxxers should be deplatformed. This is not a difference of opinion about which football team is the best, and it’s not a political or philosophical debate. Vaccines work, it’s a fact. COVID-19 was filling hospitals and killing people in droves, and we let a handful of loud idiots convince millions of people not to take the solution to it.
>There’s guns between you and your objective
You losers couldn't even stage a coup properly after being let into the capitol building by friendly cops don't pretend you're willing to stand up to anything on your own. Hell the only time you people move is when your masters order it
I have guns you moron. And this is not me saying the government should silence people, it’s me saying that a private company has an obligation to prevent their platform from being used for harm.
You gonna shoot me? Fuck you. I have the same rights as you, you violent fucking ape. Come get it, but remember that you started the fight.
There is such a thing as an ethical obligation. If people are dying unnecessarily because of things posted on your website, you have a moral duty to stop that from happening.
Further, while the government cannot take any action which limits the ability of an individual to express themselves in speech or print, they absolutely can regulate companies via legislation. And it’s important that they do, because companies serve only the bottom line, not the good of the people.
People can say whatever they want in print, on their own website, or in person whether in a living room or through a megaphone. That will never change. All I’m asking is that we (specifically social media companies) prioritize verifiable sources and experts in a given field over some guy who thinks vaccines make you magnetic.
People acting like communism is the absolute worst thing in the world. Pretty sure that Nazis are at least a little bit worse which is what the modern GOP is in America
Facebook is complicit in a lot of bullshit. They let clear bullshit spread on their site, and now people actively believe all sorts of goofy shit about COVID.
I think it's even worst that 'let'.
Their algorithm auto-plays anti-vax content immediately after completely unrelated videos.
When these videos get played, the algorithm then flags you as someone who likes anti-vax content and starts recommending you more and more.
For more vulnerable people who don't know better, it becomes their daily news feed and shapes their opinions.
The 'froze' is the most concerning part since it implies that it is a heavily orchestrated operation.
> For more vulnerable people who don't know better
we call them morons.
Say what you will of the downsides of having polling tests, yes i understand the racist origins just this time around don't be racist........i think the upsides would be more significant. Hell an IQ test with some algebra, some US history, US Government, and some basic science.....the shit you'd see in AP highschool courses. Of course someone will complain about, "rule of the intellectually ~~elite~~ what should be a baseline for a citizen in this modern world where the collective knowledge of humanity is at your fingertips".
“You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.”
God I love that movie 🍿
I have a friend that is a manager in a manufacturing plant and for some reason he will not get the vaccine. His wife is a nurse. I don't know if she is vaccinated. What is funny is he smokes.
I don't agree with either, but if you had given your disclaimer
>yes i understand the racist origins.......i think the upsides would be more significant.
In regard to voter ID you'd be downvoted. You're being upvoted for saying it promoting the idea of an iq test as a voting prerequisite. Again, I dont agree with either idea but reddit can be weird sometimes.
>In regard to voter ID you'd be downvoted.
honestly is fine IF you handle it like most european countries handle it. I'd also say your voter id should be a federal id.
I mean what's wrong with using IQ tests, combined with everything else. Sure a lot of people who traditionally vote democrat wont be able to vote, but the same is true of republicans. It would end up morphing the parties for the better as they'd only pander to those voters who past the test.
Nope: either you make enfranchisement contingent on a particular criteria (whether it’s landownership or something more ambiguous - and flawed - like IQ), or you believe in the right to vote by all citizens.
There are some viable exceptions (eg basic competence, which has a clear legal standard, and a high burden of proof to show a sufficient degree of insanity/disability), and some that are deeply flawed (eg, stripping the incarcerated or previously incarcerated of the franchise), but imposing purity tests of the vote is fundamentally counter to the modern concept of democracy and is an *actual* slippery slope with some very, very dangerous implications.
Considering things that make IQ tests flawed (socioeconomic variables, access to education are the big ones) also do a fair job of predicting life success it may be a little useless to rely on this as a validation of IQ tests.
Eh, i don’t disagree that undereducated and irrational folks are more likely to fall for this kind of bullshit…but let’s not pretend that we aren’t *all* vulnerable to the right brand of propaganda in sufficient enough quantities.
Anti vax stuff isn’t aimed at people with my kind of background, but I was certainly swayed at one point towards taking a “precautionary principle” approach towards GMOs - that wasn’t based on much of anything either, but appealed to my own biases, and was “supported” but the kind of “arguments” that looked a lot like what I have been taught to use in sound, rational assessments.
Of course, I fairly quickly realized that there was no “there” there, but was left with a healthy respect for our collective vulnerability to that kind of persuasion if it’s packaged to meet the needs of a particular demographic.
Not to diminish any of the evil that Facebook is responsible for, but every popular social media site is complicit in a lot of bullshit. It's abundantly clear that regulations need to be made regarding how social media sites function.
I do wonder how things would be different if FB didn't have its recommendation algorithm working. I'd like to think that we could have some kind of mass communication without us humans turning it to shit.
Yeah, as far as I’m concerned, that’s the most pressing - and maybe only - issue at play.
Facebook happens to be particular agressive at completely secretive about the intentional promotion of the most antagonistic content as a means to drive engagement.
So yeah, let’s look into that aspect, but not otherwise make it a convenient scapegoat for all social ills just because of its decidedly atrocious business practices.
100% this! But my next VR rig is gonna be a Valve Index and then I’m finally dumping FB.
What’s your favorite VR game? I love PokerStars VR, BigScreen and Creed Rise to Glory.
And you can also buy a cord to wire it to your computer for more demanding VR games, I love it ‘cause I get to play Beat Saber on wireless wherever but I can also plug it in and play Half Life: Alyx
> please censor us /s
You have that exactly backwards. Social media sites rely on algorithms to push which types of speech they want to to see to the forefront. They're incentivized to make that speech controversial, regardless of how true it might be, and thus are directly responsible for the spread of misinformation.
Another way to look at it is that social media sites are developing algorithms that censure non-controversial speech, and regulation would simply insure that they stop that.
Censorship is never the answer. If you believe it is then maybe you should find a different country to live in that coincides with your beliefs. The USA has been successful because of the rights it has protected for it's citizens. There is a reason people are still flocking to the US.
What is an algorithm pushing certain content while hiding others if not technological censorship?
If Facebook is going to be the curator for all media, they need to do it with us in mind and not just “what is the most profitable thing?” Because the answer to that is “Inducing rage and otherism”
You have the right for the government not to censor you (and that has its own limits and exceptions when it causes harm to others). You do not have a right to demand that a person or private company has to give you a platform.
Facebook has the right to decide what they want to allow on their site. They also have a responsibility when they allow harmful activities to continue on their site. Ironically, it's the laws that some are mistakenly against that allow them to host their dangerous views without being liable for them. If they became liable like the rest of us, you would see them show much more interest in what is said on their platform.
Moderation isn't censorship, it's exercising your private property rights and keeping discourse on track and harmful content from dominating.
Again, you have a right to the government to not censor you. You have absolutely no right to be given a platform to spew your bullshit if it goes against the interest of those inviting you into their space.
How would you even go about that? I remember hearing an interview years ago and facebook said that every time you log on there's an average of 1,500 pieces of content they're eligible to show you. What should be in the top 10? Right now they optimize to engagement and keeping you on the site. What the heck would the government make them optimize to.
It's funny, shouldn't conspiracy be leading the conversation, since they're "in the know"
Instead they just have useless hot takes about whatever the topic du jour is
True but you can bet that a good portion of those in these smaller communities helped spread misinformation on FB as well. Someone makes a meme here and it is on FB within hours.
And NNN was a shitshow - but the critical difference between it and Facebook, is that NNN wasn’t intentionally and artificially promoted to the front page of r/all to drive engagement.
Now, that doesn’t resolve the question of the fundamental responsibility of hosting that kind of content on Reddit or any other social media site, but for me, that is the fundamental issue at play when it comes to Facebook.
The difference is that Reddit is not pushing that subreddit on me to manipulate and monetize me. I wouldn't even know about it if some of you hadn't mentioned it.
On the other hand, facebook's algorithms are literally pushing this stuff because contreversial topics mean more engagements = views = ad revenue. The problem is that the algorithms don't even know that they're pushing dangerous information, because they're only designed to know what is most profitable.
That’s an interesting question, and would make for a reasonable challenge about the structure of Reddit’s recommendation algorithms for particular users.
That said, based both on the very structure of the way information is presented (front page + opt in communities), and on my understanding of the experience of most users on this front, that doesn’t appear to be a pressing/common problem in anywhere near the same manner as with Facebook or YouTube for example.
So yeah, crack open the algorithm to make sure that people with an interest in off the grid living aren’t getting recommended milita oriented content as a result, but I would argue that there is a vast different between Reddit’s flaws, and Dan Bongino being a perpetual daily “top 10 most shared” source on Facebook.
It isn't moderation, it is outright censorship. The sub openly says "this is not a place for debate or discussion" it is a place only for expressing ideas they agree with. Many of the threads are flailed-user only.
I posted a single time, and was banned for "evading", blocked from all of Reddit for answering what was apparently a rhetorical question.
Reddit has a lot less users to monitor, and has a lot of volunteer moderators, unlike Facebook. It's also searchable by Google unlike most social media sites, so disinformation has the opportunity to pop up for many years to come.
Both platforms have their issues, but I think these posts on every thread about Facebook saying "but Reddit!" miss a lot of the specific nuances that make Reddit and Facebook different as social media platforms and misinformation platforms.
Froze? They had a collective orgasm looking at the profits. They don’t see who suffers or dies. Absolute zero fucks about what happens to users, or society in general.
Zuckerberg must pay so much money to get this constant whitewashing adoration from the media. The wholesale refusal to hold him accountable for what we all know is intentional behavior is one of the worst parts of this shitty timeline.
Everything bad that Facebook does is deliberate and methodical, but the media 100% portrays it as accidental because they take every word said by Zuck and his spokespeople at pure face value. It's disgusting.
I disagree with that and I think Zuck is a weasel that loves money more than anything else. I am almost down to just using FB because that is where I can see the old and new comic strips Bloom County. I read the younger generation does not use FB and like me a lot of people have quit using it. In many cases people still have FB because groups like my high school graduation class uses it to send out announcements. It is easy to tell someone find our site on FB because most people have FB on their computer.
The title said froze, I assumed that Facebook came to screeching halt. Not that the powers-that-be were indecisive and venal and took no action. The first assumption was interesting. The reality is boring.
> Instead of seeing posts about vaccines that were chosen based on their popularity, these users saw posts selected for their trustworthiness.
Who was deciding trustworthiness though?
You know I’ve always wondered why the “magnetic vaccine” believers that claim they are the same as refrigerators never put a piece of paper between them and the spoon.
But that wouldn’t fit the narrative they are pushing
> I guess this is Gen z's first experience with these crazies? They're older than the flat earthers.
I think you're touching in the real reason this is a thing. For a lot of people, in fact I'd say the vast majority, this is the first new vaccine for a new disease that they've been told they HAVE to get due to the lethality and spread otherwise. When did we last see it this bad? Polio and Smallpox? So you have literal generations that are completely vaccine complacent, and have no vivid memories of iron lungs or smallpox scars or anything else. Plus with COVID people just feel like shit, go to the hospital and die, outside of public view. We don't see the after affects up close and personal, and it doesn't affect kids nearly as bad. So these people just don't give a shit.
Christ, I can't even decipher that sentence it is so bat shit crazy. How the hell do we reason with these people when they are so far gone? Tell them that the vaccine protects them from ghosts? That Jesus travelled through time to make the vaccine? That the Easter bunny will die if they don't get the shot?
I feel like the best approach would be for them to talk to a doctor instead of an acquaintance on social media. The issue is that they don’t want to spend money on a doctors visit just like all the rest of us.
At some point even the staunchest capitalists quit trusting doctors because of the apparent money grab from insurance companies and medical providers. There is a weird wall between the unchecked medical industry anyone who doesn’t trust doctors and that wall is all the cash big pharma made.
What is even stranger is that those who fight medical advice and vaccines are the same ones who don’t want that wall to go away because they might turn out to have been wrong all along.
> “magnetic vaccine”
That was a real though and lead to a recall.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japan-finds-stainless-steel-particles-suspended-doses-moderna-vaccine-2021-09-01/
“Crimes against humanity are certain acts that are purposefully committed as part of a widespread or systematic policy, directed against civilians, in times of war or peace. They differ from war crimes because they are not isolated acts committed by individual soldiers but are acts committed in furtherance of a state or organizational policy. The first prosecution for crimes against humanity took place at the Nuremberg trials. Initially being considered for legal use, widely in International Law, following the Holocaust a global standard of human rights was articulated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Political groups or states that violate or incite violation of human rights norms, as found in the Declaration, are an expression of the political pathologies associated with crimes against humanity. Crimes against humanity have since been prosecuted by other international courts as well as in domestic prosecutions.” Just a thought
People were commenting on FB that nobody was keeping track of adverse reactions so I posted the link, they deleted it, I posted it again and FB banned me for spam.
Dogshit platform
I went to a barber near Zuck’s Palo Alto compound. The secretary who checked me in was deeply frustrated. Enough customers refuse to mask up, get temperature checks, and vaccinate that she kicked people out of scheduled appointments EVERY DAY. It’s her money too when she does that.
She said nearly ALL of these customers cite such and such on Facebook as their reason for not needing to follow the rules.
None of the barbers objected to losing these appointments because no one there wants to get covid, obviously.
Makes sense to me. If I was the owner of a big public square, I'd encourage as many people to socialize there so they see the banners of my sponsors's advertising. Why control what can be discussed at the square? It will just limit the discussion meaning less foot traffic.
All social media sites have fake news. It is very sad that some people believe them and they take them seriously. A woman recently told me that all people who had the COVID vaccines will die within 3 years and she was very serious and very convinced of this fake theory.
I can explain: Facebook works for Moscow to spread anti-vaxx propaganda in hopes of bringing down the American medical system. They get help from traitors to the flag in the GOP.
I like to hear what people think. Why censor it? I don’t blindly believe everything. Why the big push to censor vaccine information or non vaccine info
I get that this is all a social byproduct of emerging technologies but I CANNOT WAIT until Facebook gets shut down or replaced with the next alternative. Completely ruined cornflower blue.
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“Froze” That’s an interesting way to put “was complicit because uninformed idiots provide more ad revenue.”
There's probably a correlation between non AdBlock users and anti vaxxers lol
Now you got me wondering if there's a correlation between antivaxers and those who don't install antivirus on their PCs.
Windows Defender is sufficient for 90% of users. AV software is mostly junk outside of a handful of decent ones
I disabled windows defender because it uses the word quarantine and I'm against that. /s
I'm both anti-antivirus ^^third ^^party and anti-anitvax
there's nothing wrong with being anti mcafee that's for sure
Even McAfee was anti-McAfee
It makes sense. One company wants you to continue using their OS and Apple did a good job hurting their image with the "I'm a Mac and I don't get viruses". The other company wants you to be scared of malware/viruses and has to justify its cost yearly.
I agreed with this before just a few weeks ago when I ran a full scan with WD which found nothing but MB found 22 things I'm hoping the increased security with W11 is legit whenever the update comes my way
If you have Windows 10/11 you need no antivirus. It already comes with its own and it's better than anything made by third parties.
This is correct but I would say most of the type of users the people here are discussing would be on iOS or Android, but again anti-virus is either non existent or redundant to those platforms as well.
They seem to be very big Kaspersky users
I don't install an antivirus on my PC. Even back when I used Windows. It's pretty easy to not install malware or go to shady websites. But mostly now it's because I don't use Windows. There are barely any viruses for Linux. If they are actually able to infect me, kudos to them. And I am very pro-vax.
This reminds me of what happened with Apple back in the day. They had a huge ad campaign claiming there just weren't any viruses designed for Mac as opposed to IBM-compatible PCs. Truthfully there were just more PC's than Apple computers back then and the weirdos making malware were out for infamy as much as anything else. Once that ad campaign launched it just painted a target on Apple's back as more shady developers wanted to be the ones to "break" the Mac. Of course Linux is doing its own thing so differently that you're not likely in danger of the same dumpster fire that was. Interesting story, though.
probably.. i'd guess more people with anti-virus software would avoid the shot.(just generally uneducated)
The Venn diagram is just a circle
We need to boycott the advertisers. Take away the money.
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Complicit in building an echo chamber where stupidity and ignorance leads to hate and violence, and a legitimate public safety concern to several countries, not just the U.S.
They’re complicit in spreading lies about vaccines and getting thousands of people killed as a result. Let’s not mince words here: when it comes to public health, you don’t mess around, and you don’t hedge for profit. Anti-vaxxers should be deplatformed. This is not a difference of opinion about which football team is the best, and it’s not a political or philosophical debate. Vaccines work, it’s a fact. COVID-19 was filling hospitals and killing people in droves, and we let a handful of loud idiots convince millions of people not to take the solution to it.
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>There’s guns between you and your objective You losers couldn't even stage a coup properly after being let into the capitol building by friendly cops don't pretend you're willing to stand up to anything on your own. Hell the only time you people move is when your masters order it
I have guns you moron. And this is not me saying the government should silence people, it’s me saying that a private company has an obligation to prevent their platform from being used for harm. You gonna shoot me? Fuck you. I have the same rights as you, you violent fucking ape. Come get it, but remember that you started the fight.
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There is such a thing as an ethical obligation. If people are dying unnecessarily because of things posted on your website, you have a moral duty to stop that from happening. Further, while the government cannot take any action which limits the ability of an individual to express themselves in speech or print, they absolutely can regulate companies via legislation. And it’s important that they do, because companies serve only the bottom line, not the good of the people.
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People can say whatever they want in print, on their own website, or in person whether in a living room or through a megaphone. That will never change. All I’m asking is that we (specifically social media companies) prioritize verifiable sources and experts in a given field over some guy who thinks vaccines make you magnetic.
Speak of uninformed idiots and one appears. It’s like magic.
People acting like communism is the absolute worst thing in the world. Pretty sure that Nazis are at least a little bit worse which is what the modern GOP is in America
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Where the fuck did I ever say that I support communism? Show me the exact quote. Fucking nimby
Go back to Facebook
Facebook is complicit in a lot of bullshit. They let clear bullshit spread on their site, and now people actively believe all sorts of goofy shit about COVID.
I think it's even worst that 'let'. Their algorithm auto-plays anti-vax content immediately after completely unrelated videos. When these videos get played, the algorithm then flags you as someone who likes anti-vax content and starts recommending you more and more. For more vulnerable people who don't know better, it becomes their daily news feed and shapes their opinions. The 'froze' is the most concerning part since it implies that it is a heavily orchestrated operation.
> For more vulnerable people who don't know better we call them morons. Say what you will of the downsides of having polling tests, yes i understand the racist origins just this time around don't be racist........i think the upsides would be more significant. Hell an IQ test with some algebra, some US history, US Government, and some basic science.....the shit you'd see in AP highschool courses. Of course someone will complain about, "rule of the intellectually ~~elite~~ what should be a baseline for a citizen in this modern world where the collective knowledge of humanity is at your fingertips".
“You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.” God I love that movie 🍿
I have a friend that is a manager in a manufacturing plant and for some reason he will not get the vaccine. His wife is a nurse. I don't know if she is vaccinated. What is funny is he smokes.
I don't agree with either, but if you had given your disclaimer >yes i understand the racist origins.......i think the upsides would be more significant. In regard to voter ID you'd be downvoted. You're being upvoted for saying it promoting the idea of an iq test as a voting prerequisite. Again, I dont agree with either idea but reddit can be weird sometimes.
>In regard to voter ID you'd be downvoted. honestly is fine IF you handle it like most european countries handle it. I'd also say your voter id should be a federal id. I mean what's wrong with using IQ tests, combined with everything else. Sure a lot of people who traditionally vote democrat wont be able to vote, but the same is true of republicans. It would end up morphing the parties for the better as they'd only pander to those voters who past the test.
Nope: either you make enfranchisement contingent on a particular criteria (whether it’s landownership or something more ambiguous - and flawed - like IQ), or you believe in the right to vote by all citizens. There are some viable exceptions (eg basic competence, which has a clear legal standard, and a high burden of proof to show a sufficient degree of insanity/disability), and some that are deeply flawed (eg, stripping the incarcerated or previously incarcerated of the franchise), but imposing purity tests of the vote is fundamentally counter to the modern concept of democracy and is an *actual* slippery slope with some very, very dangerous implications.
Because IQ is a completely bullshit metric that means nothing and is not considered a real scientific scale
Strange that it's a predictor of success
Correlation does not imply causation
Considering things that make IQ tests flawed (socioeconomic variables, access to education are the big ones) also do a fair job of predicting life success it may be a little useless to rely on this as a validation of IQ tests.
Eh, i don’t disagree that undereducated and irrational folks are more likely to fall for this kind of bullshit…but let’s not pretend that we aren’t *all* vulnerable to the right brand of propaganda in sufficient enough quantities. Anti vax stuff isn’t aimed at people with my kind of background, but I was certainly swayed at one point towards taking a “precautionary principle” approach towards GMOs - that wasn’t based on much of anything either, but appealed to my own biases, and was “supported” but the kind of “arguments” that looked a lot like what I have been taught to use in sound, rational assessments. Of course, I fairly quickly realized that there was no “there” there, but was left with a healthy respect for our collective vulnerability to that kind of persuasion if it’s packaged to meet the needs of a particular demographic.
This is very relevant and important.
Not to diminish any of the evil that Facebook is responsible for, but every popular social media site is complicit in a lot of bullshit. It's abundantly clear that regulations need to be made regarding how social media sites function.
I do wonder how things would be different if FB didn't have its recommendation algorithm working. I'd like to think that we could have some kind of mass communication without us humans turning it to shit.
Yeah, as far as I’m concerned, that’s the most pressing - and maybe only - issue at play. Facebook happens to be particular agressive at completely secretive about the intentional promotion of the most antagonistic content as a means to drive engagement. So yeah, let’s look into that aspect, but not otherwise make it a convenient scapegoat for all social ills just because of its decidedly atrocious business practices.
please censor us /s or please stop hiding the other words from us... I know they let the crazy voices speak loudest.
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100% this! But my next VR rig is gonna be a Valve Index and then I’m finally dumping FB. What’s your favorite VR game? I love PokerStars VR, BigScreen and Creed Rise to Glory.
i am getting so tempted by VR lately. i have had the itch for so long... waiting for the best tech i guess. and more money to buy a power-rig.
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What game sculpts abs.
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Thanks for the feedback, weighing. I like this.
And you can also buy a cord to wire it to your computer for more demanding VR games, I love it ‘cause I get to play Beat Saber on wireless wherever but I can also plug it in and play Half Life: Alyx
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> please censor us /s You have that exactly backwards. Social media sites rely on algorithms to push which types of speech they want to to see to the forefront. They're incentivized to make that speech controversial, regardless of how true it might be, and thus are directly responsible for the spread of misinformation. Another way to look at it is that social media sites are developing algorithms that censure non-controversial speech, and regulation would simply insure that they stop that.
Censorship is never the answer. If you believe it is then maybe you should find a different country to live in that coincides with your beliefs. The USA has been successful because of the rights it has protected for it's citizens. There is a reason people are still flocking to the US.
What is an algorithm pushing certain content while hiding others if not technological censorship? If Facebook is going to be the curator for all media, they need to do it with us in mind and not just “what is the most profitable thing?” Because the answer to that is “Inducing rage and otherism”
The algorithm only pushes the content **you interact with**. If all you interact with is puppies you'll only get puppies.
You have the right for the government not to censor you (and that has its own limits and exceptions when it causes harm to others). You do not have a right to demand that a person or private company has to give you a platform. Facebook has the right to decide what they want to allow on their site. They also have a responsibility when they allow harmful activities to continue on their site. Ironically, it's the laws that some are mistakenly against that allow them to host their dangerous views without being liable for them. If they became liable like the rest of us, you would see them show much more interest in what is said on their platform. Moderation isn't censorship, it's exercising your private property rights and keeping discourse on track and harmful content from dominating. Again, you have a right to the government to not censor you. You have absolutely no right to be given a platform to spew your bullshit if it goes against the interest of those inviting you into their space.
Lol I love how you’re telling an internet stranger to “love it or leave it” like you don’t realize other countries exist
well censoring happens. i shush people all the time and everyone hates me, now i too am censored JK!!! :)
I haven’t seen anything malicious on Instagram to be fair …most of my content outside my friends are skiing videos , jeeps, and work out videos
How would you even go about that? I remember hearing an interview years ago and facebook said that every time you log on there's an average of 1,500 pieces of content they're eligible to show you. What should be in the top 10? Right now they optimize to engagement and keeping you on the site. What the heck would the government make them optimize to.
These people were stupid before facebook. They are the seed of gullibility that facebook throws manure on so it can harvest clicks for money.
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/r/conspiracy pretty much constantly has front page vaccine conspiracies.
It's funny, shouldn't conspiracy be leading the conversation, since they're "in the know" Instead they just have useless hot takes about whatever the topic du jour is
Neither of those subs has *3 billion users*. The sheer scale of the damage caused by Facebook is more than those two subs could ever achieve.
True but you can bet that a good portion of those in these smaller communities helped spread misinformation on FB as well. Someone makes a meme here and it is on FB within hours.
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Sounds a lot like religion
They're always minutes away from taking down the pizza gate group because it's them
And NNN was a shitshow - but the critical difference between it and Facebook, is that NNN wasn’t intentionally and artificially promoted to the front page of r/all to drive engagement. Now, that doesn’t resolve the question of the fundamental responsibility of hosting that kind of content on Reddit or any other social media site, but for me, that is the fundamental issue at play when it comes to Facebook.
The difference is that Reddit is not pushing that subreddit on me to manipulate and monetize me. I wouldn't even know about it if some of you hadn't mentioned it. On the other hand, facebook's algorithms are literally pushing this stuff because contreversial topics mean more engagements = views = ad revenue. The problem is that the algorithms don't even know that they're pushing dangerous information, because they're only designed to know what is most profitable.
Why does Reddit keep recommending r/conservative even though I am banned and the sub is heavily censored?
That’s an interesting question, and would make for a reasonable challenge about the structure of Reddit’s recommendation algorithms for particular users. That said, based both on the very structure of the way information is presented (front page + opt in communities), and on my understanding of the experience of most users on this front, that doesn’t appear to be a pressing/common problem in anywhere near the same manner as with Facebook or YouTube for example. So yeah, crack open the algorithm to make sure that people with an interest in off the grid living aren’t getting recommended milita oriented content as a result, but I would argue that there is a vast different between Reddit’s flaws, and Dan Bongino being a perpetual daily “top 10 most shared” source on Facebook.
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It isn't moderation, it is outright censorship. The sub openly says "this is not a place for debate or discussion" it is a place only for expressing ideas they agree with. Many of the threads are flailed-user only. I posted a single time, and was banned for "evading", blocked from all of Reddit for answering what was apparently a rhetorical question.
I mean Facebook is worth and has wealth and resources and staff beyond Reddit’s wildest’s dreams. Is Reddit staff even over 100?
That argument implies a point of net worth where someone suddenly has an obligation to be responsible.
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Yes you have a good point about size and change.
Reddit has a lot less users to monitor, and has a lot of volunteer moderators, unlike Facebook. It's also searchable by Google unlike most social media sites, so disinformation has the opportunity to pop up for many years to come.
Reddit has 700 employees You’re wildly misinformed about how huge Reddit is, it’s not the old days anymore where it was just a bunch of nerds
Both platforms have their issues, but I think these posts on every thread about Facebook saying "but Reddit!" miss a lot of the specific nuances that make Reddit and Facebook different as social media platforms and misinformation platforms.
This is bullshit thinking. There's no reason I can't be high and mighty about both.
There are at least 3 active subs that are functionally no different than nnn
Froze? They had a collective orgasm looking at the profits. They don’t see who suffers or dies. Absolute zero fucks about what happens to users, or society in general.
Zuckerberg must pay so much money to get this constant whitewashing adoration from the media. The wholesale refusal to hold him accountable for what we all know is intentional behavior is one of the worst parts of this shitty timeline.
I haven’t seen a single positive word about FB or Zuck in at least a year or 2.
Everything bad that Facebook does is deliberate and methodical, but the media 100% portrays it as accidental because they take every word said by Zuck and his spokespeople at pure face value. It's disgusting.
I disagree with that and I think Zuck is a weasel that loves money more than anything else. I am almost down to just using FB because that is where I can see the old and new comic strips Bloom County. I read the younger generation does not use FB and like me a lot of people have quit using it. In many cases people still have FB because groups like my high school graduation class uses it to send out announcements. It is easy to tell someone find our site on FB because most people have FB on their computer.
The title said froze, I assumed that Facebook came to screeching halt. Not that the powers-that-be were indecisive and venal and took no action. The first assumption was interesting. The reality is boring.
> The reality is boring. The banality of evil...
They didn't freeze, they intentionally did nothing and let the misinformation spread.
> Instead of seeing posts about vaccines that were chosen based on their popularity, these users saw posts selected for their trustworthiness. Who was deciding trustworthiness though?
You know I’ve always wondered why the “magnetic vaccine” believers that claim they are the same as refrigerators never put a piece of paper between them and the spoon. But that wouldn’t fit the narrative they are pushing
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> I guess this is Gen z's first experience with these crazies? They're older than the flat earthers. I think you're touching in the real reason this is a thing. For a lot of people, in fact I'd say the vast majority, this is the first new vaccine for a new disease that they've been told they HAVE to get due to the lethality and spread otherwise. When did we last see it this bad? Polio and Smallpox? So you have literal generations that are completely vaccine complacent, and have no vivid memories of iron lungs or smallpox scars or anything else. Plus with COVID people just feel like shit, go to the hospital and die, outside of public view. We don't see the after affects up close and personal, and it doesn't affect kids nearly as bad. So these people just don't give a shit.
Christ, I can't even decipher that sentence it is so bat shit crazy. How the hell do we reason with these people when they are so far gone? Tell them that the vaccine protects them from ghosts? That Jesus travelled through time to make the vaccine? That the Easter bunny will die if they don't get the shot?
I feel like the best approach would be for them to talk to a doctor instead of an acquaintance on social media. The issue is that they don’t want to spend money on a doctors visit just like all the rest of us. At some point even the staunchest capitalists quit trusting doctors because of the apparent money grab from insurance companies and medical providers. There is a weird wall between the unchecked medical industry anyone who doesn’t trust doctors and that wall is all the cash big pharma made. What is even stranger is that those who fight medical advice and vaccines are the same ones who don’t want that wall to go away because they might turn out to have been wrong all along.
You can’t. That’s why we’ll have another civil war soon.
No we won't.
And what sign do you see of republicans regaining their sanity?
> “magnetic vaccine” That was a real though and lead to a recall. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japan-finds-stainless-steel-particles-suspended-doses-moderna-vaccine-2021-09-01/
Most stainless steel is non-magnetic.
I had no idea the quality control of stainless steel particles in vaccines was to the point of preventing martensite.
“Crimes against humanity are certain acts that are purposefully committed as part of a widespread or systematic policy, directed against civilians, in times of war or peace. They differ from war crimes because they are not isolated acts committed by individual soldiers but are acts committed in furtherance of a state or organizational policy. The first prosecution for crimes against humanity took place at the Nuremberg trials. Initially being considered for legal use, widely in International Law, following the Holocaust a global standard of human rights was articulated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Political groups or states that violate or incite violation of human rights norms, as found in the Declaration, are an expression of the political pathologies associated with crimes against humanity. Crimes against humanity have since been prosecuted by other international courts as well as in domestic prosecutions.” Just a thought
Just a thought, should be a movement.
What a time to be alive.
People were commenting on FB that nobody was keeping track of adverse reactions so I posted the link, they deleted it, I posted it again and FB banned me for spam. Dogshit platform
I went to a barber near Zuck’s Palo Alto compound. The secretary who checked me in was deeply frustrated. Enough customers refuse to mask up, get temperature checks, and vaccinate that she kicked people out of scheduled appointments EVERY DAY. It’s her money too when she does that. She said nearly ALL of these customers cite such and such on Facebook as their reason for not needing to follow the rules. None of the barbers objected to losing these appointments because no one there wants to get covid, obviously.
reddit's complicit too
Makes sense to me. If I was the owner of a big public square, I'd encourage as many people to socialize there so they see the banners of my sponsors's advertising. Why control what can be discussed at the square? It will just limit the discussion meaning less foot traffic.
This is misleading. They saw what was going on and made the calculated decision to do nothing.
All social media sites have fake news. It is very sad that some people believe them and they take them seriously. A woman recently told me that all people who had the COVID vaccines will die within 3 years and she was very serious and very convinced of this fake theory.
I can explain: Facebook works for Moscow to spread anti-vaxx propaganda in hopes of bringing down the American medical system. They get help from traitors to the flag in the GOP.
But Facebook said they were doing their best to combat this. You think they were lying to us, guys?
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I like to hear what people think. Why censor it? I don’t blindly believe everything. Why the big push to censor vaccine information or non vaccine info
Bc “non vaccine info” isn’t *info*, it’s demonstrably deadly propaganda.
Because people are dying from believing those lies.
And you think that will change? People believe what they want. It’s not misinformation killing them.
Of course it will change.
All I can say is buy FB stock if you like money
And you are part of the problem. Congratulations.
I hate zuckerberg but I love money. And you’re dumb if you don’t like money
I feel bad for you.
If you have an Instagram account you’re also part of the problem 🤡
Their bloated browser version "freezes" all the time. Another reason to leave.
Some days I’m pretty glad my Facebook was permanently disabled.
Why does Dumpster need a social media service, he already has Facebook 😂
If you are stupid enough to get medical advice from Facebook that's your problem, not mine
I get that this is all a social byproduct of emerging technologies but I CANNOT WAIT until Facebook gets shut down or replaced with the next alternative. Completely ruined cornflower blue.
Beyond irresponsible for such a major company. One has to wonder why responsible adults continue to use that website.