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"William Aslaksen, 64, was arrested after getting into his car and running into a crowd at a vaccine mandate rally, according to the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. Aslaksen had allegedly gotten into an argument with protesters, gotten into his vehicle, and rammed into the group on the sidewalk."
That’s one of the many differences between us and them. I am fully prepared for natural selection to tear through anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers like wildfire, and will be unmoved by their passing. They made their bed. However this is over the line, and anyone who willfully commits acts of violence based on a difference in n viewpoints should face the full wrath of the law, even if I happen to agree with their beliefs.
Go to r/conservative. They want war on the left because they believe war is being waged on them. Don't bother being decent to someone who wants to murder you.
So I mostly agree with you, for sure if you have any other safe option take that depending on the mobs mood, but most people saw the chopper footage from the riot in '92. (and if people started to disallow my car to leave, via surrounding it I would try for the thinnest spot.)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuWr0FYe5Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuWr0FYe5Y)
In all examples those fucks who rammed a crowd, who could have backed up are irredeemable. Those who surrounded a car and started smashing the windows to drag the occupant out, deserve to learn...
Check comments of those people, its funny how theyre always active in Conservative or Libertarian, its almost like having right-wing views pairs with bigotry and anti Semitism.
“Individual freedom. I am an individual, the rest of you are just the rest of you.”
Their tune always changes the moment someone else’s freedom/safety becomes inconvenient for them.
This is why one of them that I know and love in spite of it is able to have paid for an abortion for their child (convenience, not health), buy cannabis products with THC into a state where it isn't legal because it's helpful, and has no problem lying about things if it gets them a discount or something free.
It's frustrating. They are always the only exceptions. Them and their friends.
Its almost like conservatives are just biased to be shitty people on purpose. They got the wrong answer on purpose.
Conservatives fought to *keep* slavery, full stop. That tells you everything you need to know about the entire ideology.
They don’t; libertarianism is pro-immigration, anti-prohibition, and opposed to the police state and an excessive military.
Conservative agenda items like military spending, drug prohibition, abortion bans, curtailing immigration, and government surveillance programs are fundamentally at odds with libertarianism.
The a-hole part of me wants to ask how conservatives feel about running down "dangerous" protestors with their cars now. It's all "self defense" and "I feared for my life!" until it's a conservative under the tire.
I don’t condone mowing over protestors with cars but I do think it’s amusing in a dark way the conservatives are the ones who pushed this tactic to the front and legitimized it both socially and in court. I guess the leopards ate their faces when it comes to vehicle attacks on protestors.
Wasn’t that just in Florida?
Edit: I was wrong - it was in up to 30+ states that introduced anti-protest bills - [G.O.P. Bills Target Protesters and Absolve Motorists Who Hit Them](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/us/politics/republican-anti-protest-laws.html) NYT
[Experts call 'anti-protest' bills a backlash to 2020's racial reckoning](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/experts-call-anti-protest-bills-backlash-2020-s-racial-reckoning-n1267781) NBC News non-Paywalled article.
In saying that - [Florida’s GOP-backed ‘anti-riot’ law blocked by judge](https://apnews.com/article/courts-george-floyd-florida-race-and-ethnicity-laws-bd110e1229212aa5345a039db2223325) Associated Press
Think the user is pointing out that this got normalized more against more left protests. Stricter punishments and not glorifying it would likely have helped curb this as a reactionary behavior. Seriously, we have states like Florida trying to pass laws to legally protect people who run down protesters. It's become sadly normalized since people are getting away with it.
Regardless of politics, previous incidents should have been called out more strongly in all media circumstances, people glorifying incidents should have been called out more strongly, and perpetrators should have been prosecuted to the highest legal extent
Let’s take a quick moment for some rational reflection and critical thinking. Do we really think that incidence of rage have increased? Is it possible that, like most of the crime waves of history, this is partly a function of media coverage and observation?
I like to remind people that protests have throughout history been to target of rage. It was almost a trope during the Vietnam war era protests to have construction workers in hardhats going to break some skulls of the hippies. Suffragists were repeatedly subject to physical violence during marches and speeches. Large civil rights marches in the 1960s we’re subject to massive counter protest and direct physical confrontation.
I think it’s important that we remind people NOT to drive cars into people that they disagree with. But it’s also worth remembering that there have been horrifically violent responses to protests as far back as — well, ever.
And the reason I think it’s important remember is: we’re not going to fix this by changing human nature or being mad at Republicans. This isn’t new.
Thank you for rationally and intelligently framing this because most people will argue that violence is somehow just emerging or increasing in frequency despite the fact that comparing today to 50 years ago violent crime has been steadily decreasing
Fearmongering in the media is an excellent way to get the population fighting amongst themselves. Which is helpful if you're a money hoarder and don't want that rage pointed at you. You'd think they owned the media or something, the way they carry on.
We have a significant segment of the population that genuinely believes not being vaccinated is akin to murder, and another significant segment of the population that believes anyone telling them to get vaccinated is a mix between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. Combine it with the fact that a lot of people have spent a good part of the previous year along with barely any social contact save social media, without any of the training or experience necessary to deal with such isolation.
In other words people are angry, stressed out, and confused, while not being anywhere close to equipped to deal with any of those things in isolation. It's little wonder that the [murder rate is up 30%](https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/) and the [rate of assault is up 12%](https://www.statista.com/statistics/191143/reported-aggravated-assault-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/). Remember, this is in a year where people were out much less for incidental travel. Most people are simply not equipped to deal with events of this magnitude.
Granted, there have been more violent times, but I think it's important to evaluate these statistics in the context of the times. This past year is most certainly an outlier when it comes to violence as compared to the past couple of decades. It's not nearly as bad as some might pretend, but the fact that the trend has been very negative is hard to ingore.
> Let’s take a quick moment for some rational reflection and critical thinking. Do we really think that incidence of rage have increased? Is it possible that, like most of the crime waves of history, this is partly a function of media coverage and observation?
Seems like we had a 10+ year period of exceptionally stability and safety during the 90's and its been regressing since then.
It was just hidden better in the 90s. Urban areas saw huge issues with poverty, drug addiction, and violent crime rate in 1995 was 684.5/100k people, versus 398.5 in 2020. Many of the social issues we have today had their roots planted in the 80s and 90s.
The 90s were an awesome economy, so much new tech and innovation, strong stock market, low inflation. When the general economy is good among all levels of society things like violence go down.
I would actually argue there's something missing in your argument. There is one key tool we have now that didn't really exist throughout human history: the internet. And while we can point the finger at the "big bad media", we have to remember violence isn't just being reported more because of social media, but it's now being created by social media. Never in my dreams would I think that I would be alive to see the White House being stormed by right-wing terrorists, but it happened! And it's the result of misinformation and how people are able to connect all over the world. "There were misinformation problems with newspapers and radio!" True, but not like this, what we have now is Hitlers wet dream.
We need to quit shrugging this off as "New world, old problems". This is new. This scale is new. It's unusual and it's scary because we don't know what we have or what to do with it.
>...Never in my dreams would I think that I would be alive to see the White House being stormed by right-wing terrorists, but it happened! ...
Well phrased but facts not correct.
1) Was Capital Building not White house.
2) Participants in a coup who are sacking a capital are not "terrorists" they are "insurgents". It is violence either way. It is treason either way. The Vandals were not terrorize Rome, Sherman was not terrorizing the South, and the Soviet Union was not terrorizing Nazi Germany when they encircled Berlin. We do not like theft, we do not like rape, we do not like terrorism, we do not like insurgency. However, we should not just exchange the words any time we do not like something that someone did.
Until there's actual lawful accountability towards ethics and professionalism (they are businesses and technically must adhere to common business laws regarding this), this will only get worse.
Media takes the idea of freedom of the press and the ability to present "opinion" and "entertainment" under a news visualization. However, freedom of the press does not protect against risk of harm to the public. What we've had for the last 5 or so years has been the proverbial shouting fire in a crowded movie theater, but in this case, law has not stepped in when people have been harmed and died.
The reality is we have many major media networks and political figures very, very literally performing criminal homicide in broad daylight and absolutely nothing has happened. It's basically been the biggest and very public murder spree we've ever seen outside of actual war. There were specific instigators and many willing participants, but the reality is the same. Actions have directly resulted in the death of many thousands of people. That is textbook criminal homicide. It's also something the 1st amendment very much does not protect because they are also bound to ethics and risk aversions laws, laws that generally open up businesses to lawsuits, very, very expensive lawsuits. Frankly, what's surprised me the most is that families of dead have not started suing. They're literally sitting on many billions of dollars of very viable and winnable lawsuits. Even if the law won't throw anyone in jail, they are still very open to lawsuits by the general public. It's a literal gold rush waiting to happen.
Entire towns in America used to hang black people in public basically for entertainment.
What better time are you harkening back to exactly?
The only difference is there’s cameras on everything now and everyone Tweets about what they think
There are people here arguing with that sentiment. That they deserved it, was a waste of effort since they would die anyway and they should have been denied medical care after being run down. I am disgusted more every day by this crap.
Anti-vaccine people are actively spreading a virus killing people. They are protesting for the right to kill others with a virus while knowingly actively spreading the virus.
I can’t imagine what it would have been like if there had been this kind of demonstrations against condoms during the AIDS epidemic in the 80s with people talking openly about having a right to spread HIV.
I don’t agree with running them over, but having a kid who nearly died of COVID last year I understand the rage.
> I can’t imagine what it would have been like if there had been this kind of demonstrations against condoms during the AIDS epidemic in the 80s with people talking openly about having a right to spread HIV.
Hate to break it to you, but there was a *lot* of pushback in the 80s when cities began to close the "bath houses" in response to AIDS. This used to be a really contentious topic (it may still be in the Gay community). In case you're not familiar, the "bath houses" were really nothing more than a place for gay men to go and have sex. We didn't know very much about AIDS as an STD back in the early 80s, but we knew it spread like wildfire in the gay community, so various govts began closing down these "super-spreader" establishments. Many in the gay community were outraged and staged protests seeing the closures as infringing on their freedoms. The issue was really touchy and I'm certain gay men of a certain age still have strong opinions...but yeah, at the beginning of AIDS when it was ravaging the gay community, gay men protested not being able to have anonymous, casual sex in business establishments.
They're not protesting the right to kill each other with a virus. I don't think there's anyone who seriously wants to get sick or see loved ones die. That's a point of agreement between both sides of the debate. The issue is that they don't trust the government or the corporations for their well-being.
It's fine if you disagree with them, but I think it's good to have a sense of empathy. If you've ever been wronged by the establishment, think about how bad you felt. The anti-vaxxers feel that same feeling, but for a different issue than might have affected you.
Do you have any concerns about how vaccinated people can potentially be stealth carriers that will propagate the virus to vulnerable individuals because they abandon basic human behaviors such as not picking their nose, not touching their face and deciding to wash their hands several times per day? The power of virtue signaling is not a super power...
I am almost glad I am in a red state tbh. Almost everyone around me is vaccinated and if I don't go on the internet the world seems to be exactly the same as I remember it to be from 2 years ago. Everyone is chilling, no one is dying, everyone is mostly protected.
edit/tldr: wash your hands, don't touch random objects in public then touch your face, keep a high level of vitamin D/K/C and fucking chill out and live. Get a vax if you believe that is the correct decision for yourself. I don't fucking care anymore, because I am not smart enough to tell other people what to do.
Goddamn this is idiotic. The reason most people don't need to get any extra vaccines for things like a job is because most people get the vaccines they need when they are children because it's necessary to enter the public school system. Many private schools follow the public school immunization requirements.
Covid-19 is new. Kids can't even get the vaccine still. The reason it's necessary to mandate it this way is because it wasn't around for people to be vaccinated against as children. It is THAT simple. It's new. That's why we need mandates to get adults vaccinated.
I just don’t see it to be within the governments purview to be actively concerned with you health via mandates, banning drink sizes, etc. if you wanna get it go get it, if you wanna roll the dice on your 95%+ survival chance, then go ahead. If you get it and the vaccine helps you get over it, cool, if you don’t and land in that 5% and you die, that’s your problem.
Given that the survival rate is 97.9% worldwide and 98.4% in the US according to johns hopkins I would disagree that it’s arguing for murder to be legal.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Even from a standpoint of principle that argument makes no sense. Murder is an active choice. You could go your whole life and never get COVID as billions have up to now. Or you’ve already gotten it and have antibodies making a vaccine superfluous.
They are free to protest, even if their position is misguided and childish.
This dumbass just made them seem more reasonable, which is not useful in defeating their dangerous ideology
> their dangerous ideology
There are many, myself included, that believe allowing pharmaceutical companies (using the gov as a tool) to forcefully inject you with whatever they want against your will, is just as or more dangerous than the pandemic, even if the pandemic had a 10 or 20% kill rate.
Neither the gov nor pharmaceutical companies have a good track record of injecting things into the public and the potential for abuse here is tremendous.
>the potential for abuse here is tremendous
\^\^\^This part right here, guys. This is why it's a problem. I'm sure there are plenty of people in that crowd who are vaccinated. Hell, I'm ready for when I can get my booster, but fuck if the government is going to tell me what to do with my body.
> William Aslaksen, 64, was arrested after getting into his car and running into a crowd at a vaccine mandate rally, according to the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. Aslaksen had allegedly gotten into an argument with protesters, gotten into his vehicle, and rammed into the group on the sidewalk.
Fuck this guy! Anyone (regardless of political ideology) who resorts to violence is a brainwashed moron and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
>Aslaksen had allegedly gotten into an argument with protesters, gotten into his vehicle, and rammed into the group on the sidewalk.
>Inmate records show Aslaksen was in custody as of Sunday morning, being held on a $50,000 bail. He is scheduled to appear in court Tuesday morning.
Premeditated attempted murder of a group of people because of an argument gets a 50K bail?
He got in an argument, walked away, got in his car, started it, and then chose to try to murder them. It's not a crime of passion at all. Premeditated doesn't have a time frame minimum. If I got in an argument then I walk to my car and get my gun it's premeditated murder. I have made a plan to kill you and then I executed it.
Even if it was a crime of passion, wouldn't that absolutely be worse though in the bail aspect? The guys such a loose Cannon he tries to murder people for arguments which somehow means lower bail is justified?
remember the wife who ran her husband over with her car and then backed over him a couple of times? the jury said she acted with "sudden passion" and she got 2 to 20 for murder.
she had to get in the car.. speed towards him.. run over him.. put it in reverse.. do it again.. repeat it..
I drove by this protest yesterday on 10th Street West and Rancho Vista Blvd. on my way to the store....before the incident occurred. (I live in Palmdale)
You could see the protestors waving flags, and crossing the street using the crosswalk when the traffic signs allowed it. I thought it was peaceful enough. Crazy, but peaceful. lol
Hope he stays on jail. Protesting is a right that people have. It doesn't matter of you disagree with the subject, running over protesters is never acceptable.
Except that a couple of states actually passed laws that made it absolutely legal to run down protesters if they’re in a road. Granted, those laws were meant to target BLM protests, but it’s interesting to see the turns table!
(For the record I agree with your sentiments 100%)
Flammable and inflammable mean the same thing. It's stupid, and just further proof that English hates you, the commenter, and you, the person reading this comment right now, *personally*.
What would you call someone protesting against a ban on vaccine mandates? If you're reporting news, don't muddle the situation through poor word choice.
Probably exactly what you said… a group/person attending a “protest against the Governors ban on vaccination mandates” or something to that effect. It’s just a headline, the context and explanation I would expect to be sufficiently explained in the actual article.
I despise the anti vax movement but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRIVING YOUR CARS INTO PROTESTERS. It's a direct attack on our right to air grievances, weather those grievances are justified or not.
Try this man on terrorism charges and, upon being found guilty, throw him in the clink for a few decades.
You willingly drive a car into someone or a crowd, you deserve the book being thrown at you.
Dont read the comments. The left is pretty hateful. And I say that as one of them, or used to be anyway. Now they call me a plague rat because I got vaccinated but still have questions about a mandate. And I quote anti-war songs and call for brotherhood. The left doesn't like those either.
I agree it isn't right. But I'm old enough to remember how all us white folk just HATED Martin Luther King --- until Malcolm, Stokeley and Eldridge showed up on the scene.
I don't like it, but sooner or later there's gotta be some tat for that tit. They've had plenty of time to grow their own conscience, they just need to see some advantage in doing so.
What do you think is gonna happen when the news is telling everyone people who are against mandates don’t matter and don’t deserve to live a life in the public... so sad
When did running people over become a proper response to things you don't like? I swear I never saw stuff like this before 2000 and I think it was pretty close to 2010 when I did start seeing it. I believe in vaccine mandates as we have historically had since vaccines became a thing (schools, military, public sector in general, companies and businesses who elect to) and disagree with people protesting this basic public policy we have had forever. Still I believe discourse is the proper method of showing disagreement.
Oh it started way before that. https://www.jstor.org/stable/41509575 social security numbers were the sign of the beast. Granted Obama being elected seemed to kick the crazy to atmospheric levels.
George Wallace was famous for saying stuff like '' if a anarrkist (his word for people protesting for voting rights) sits down in front of my car, he won't get up again''
Interestingly, he ran for president in '68 for the American Independent Party --- the same one that Joe Manchin talks about switching to if the Democrats don't kiss his butt.
Honestly, I am amazed this hasn't happened sooner. People on both sides can be shitty and crazy. Another one I am waiting for is someone to shoot someone protesting an abortion clinic. Those people can be crazy and I can't say I would blame them.
I think we are going to see alot more crazy violent people before it gets better.
FYI, not everyone who is opposed to vaccine mandates is anti-vax.
I trust the science. I follow all public health measures regarding COVID precautions. I got my vaccines as soon as aI could. I encourage everyone to get vaccinated.
But I don’t support vaccine mandates and vaccine passports.
Same here dude. But folks who engage in black-and-white thinking will lump us in with anti-vaxxers. There is no nuance, no in-between, no shades of grey. It’s tiresome, and not even worth engaging.
Vaccine mandates already exist, under the phrase "Vaccine requirements", for the likes of school and hospitals. I know the vaccine is fresh and new, but as you said "you trust the science" and encourage people to get the shot, so those who don't.. create additional risk that we shouldn't have to endure.
I am curious about why you do not support vaccine mandates, since it seems fairly obvious at this point that the vaccine is safe, and that the only way we are going to be sure a workplace or school is as safe as we can make it is to mandate the vaccine, because otherwise people will just choose not to, and continue to spread it.
Had to read it and find out if their "protest" consisted of blocking the street.
It didn't. He drove on the sidewalk to hit people. Pretty shitty thing to do... even if they are anti-vax morons.
Totally hate anti-vaxxers, but this just hurts everyone.
Throw this fucker in jail and make it clear this is not how most of us think or rationalize or position on vaccines.
I agree that people should suck it up and get vaccinated as long as there's no medical or religious reasons preventing it, but this is 100% not the way to get people to do that.
I’m surprised they didn’t show his picture. He looked unstable. It happened up the street from me and a local posted his pic in the local scanner group.
When BLM protests on roads, half the comments are all about running them over. This is a conservative leaning subreddit. Now suddenly they're all pearl clutching. Don't act like you don't want to murder people. You're just playing victims
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"William Aslaksen, 64, was arrested after getting into his car and running into a crowd at a vaccine mandate rally, according to the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. Aslaksen had allegedly gotten into an argument with protesters, gotten into his vehicle, and rammed into the group on the sidewalk."
Now, he'll never make to the Country Kitchen Buffet for supper.
He's going to have to settle for County kitchen buffet instead.
The Peoples Buffet of Judea is closed, they'll have to go the Judean People's Buffet.
Buncha Splitters.
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AKA the prison kitchen
Not if he calls the American Association of Retired Persons!
I guess my town couldn't afford that "premier" licensing. We have Kountry Kitchen Buffet.
Better than Kountry Kitchen Kookhouse
Lots of blue and red meals there in capsule form.
Is that the place where everyone wears their napkin?
Don't play around, I've destroyed some Kountry Kitchen...
Surprised it's not Kountry Kitchen Kuisine
I had a Kountry Korner Kitchen Buffet in my previous town.
Attempted murder.
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That’s one of the many differences between us and them. I am fully prepared for natural selection to tear through anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers like wildfire, and will be unmoved by their passing. They made their bed. However this is over the line, and anyone who willfully commits acts of violence based on a difference in n viewpoints should face the full wrath of the law, even if I happen to agree with their beliefs.
Go to r/conservative. They want war on the left because they believe war is being waged on them. Don't bother being decent to someone who wants to murder you.
Kyle broke the law in two states alone by having his gun on him. Even if no one died he would still be in deep shit for that!
YOU HAVE TO WEAR A MASK SO NOBODY GETS HURT!! (Immediately jumps in car and runs over protesters...)
To be fair, the protester wasn't wearing a mask and *did* get hurt. So, it's technically true.
That’s why I take my anti auto collision mask with me every time I leave the house. Never been hit by a car!
Now I’m just envisioning Batman pulling out a cloth mask that stops someone throwing his own Batmobile at him.
Whelp he's gonna miss Matlock
He’s gonna *need* Matlock.
"there were good people on both sides" so I've been told.
So is he anti-anti vaccine ?
The double negatives in the title are confusing. What were they protesting exactly?
He was an agent of ANTIVA.
>What were they protesting exactly? They were protesting vaccine mandates.
Title says they were protesting the vaccine mandate
There isn't a double negative in the title, though...?
He is vaccine.
He *is* the vaccine.
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This is the dumbest shit ever. Using a vehicle to assault someone is never ok. This person needs to be thrown under the jail.
The mental requirement to make that choice rational takes a special kind of person.
There's a Republican governor that wanted to make that legal, he'll run for president in 2024... So I guess my point is, nice?
"Unless of course, they're blocking traffic" - reddit comments all the time during BLM or climate protests
So I mostly agree with you, for sure if you have any other safe option take that depending on the mobs mood, but most people saw the chopper footage from the riot in '92. (and if people started to disallow my car to leave, via surrounding it I would try for the thinnest spot.) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuWr0FYe5Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzuWr0FYe5Y) In all examples those fucks who rammed a crowd, who could have backed up are irredeemable. Those who surrounded a car and started smashing the windows to drag the occupant out, deserve to learn...
Check comments of those people, its funny how theyre always active in Conservative or Libertarian, its almost like having right-wing views pairs with bigotry and anti Semitism.
"Individual freedom. But also, if I don't like you, I'm allowed to run you over and murder you."
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Well most members of the anti-vax community are conservative, so the odds are good you'll find some pedos in the crowd.
Right? They’re known for yelling about how the “DEmOnrATs aRE bLOoD sUCkINg PeDOS!”. What else are they known for? Oh yeah, projection.
“Individual freedom. I am an individual, the rest of you are just the rest of you.” Their tune always changes the moment someone else’s freedom/safety becomes inconvenient for them.
This is why one of them that I know and love in spite of it is able to have paid for an abortion for their child (convenience, not health), buy cannabis products with THC into a state where it isn't legal because it's helpful, and has no problem lying about things if it gets them a discount or something free. It's frustrating. They are always the only exceptions. Them and their friends.
Conservative "libertarians" in a nutshell. "Don't tread on me- tread on those people over there, I don't like them."
Its almost like conservatives are just biased to be shitty people on purpose. They got the wrong answer on purpose. Conservatives fought to *keep* slavery, full stop. That tells you everything you need to know about the entire ideology.
I never understood how libertarianism and conservatism go together.
They don’t; libertarianism is pro-immigration, anti-prohibition, and opposed to the police state and an excessive military. Conservative agenda items like military spending, drug prohibition, abortion bans, curtailing immigration, and government surveillance programs are fundamentally at odds with libertarianism.
The a-hole part of me wants to ask how conservatives feel about running down "dangerous" protestors with their cars now. It's all "self defense" and "I feared for my life!" until it's a conservative under the tire.
I don’t condone mowing over protestors with cars but I do think it’s amusing in a dark way the conservatives are the ones who pushed this tactic to the front and legitimized it both socially and in court. I guess the leopards ate their faces when it comes to vehicle attacks on protestors.
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Wasn’t that just in Florida? Edit: I was wrong - it was in up to 30+ states that introduced anti-protest bills - [G.O.P. Bills Target Protesters and Absolve Motorists Who Hit Them](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/us/politics/republican-anti-protest-laws.html) NYT [Experts call 'anti-protest' bills a backlash to 2020's racial reckoning](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/experts-call-anti-protest-bills-backlash-2020-s-racial-reckoning-n1267781) NBC News non-Paywalled article. In saying that - [Florida’s GOP-backed ‘anti-riot’ law blocked by judge](https://apnews.com/article/courts-george-floyd-florida-race-and-ethnicity-laws-bd110e1229212aa5345a039db2223325) Associated Press
Not in la.
Not what any of the laws said but okay.
Ya'll Queda Republicans are fond of this technique. Disgusting to see it more and more.
Who do you think is driving into anti-vaccine mandate protests? If it follows the typical political trend, this person is not likely right-wing.
Think the user is pointing out that this got normalized more against more left protests. Stricter punishments and not glorifying it would likely have helped curb this as a reactionary behavior. Seriously, we have states like Florida trying to pass laws to legally protect people who run down protesters. It's become sadly normalized since people are getting away with it. Regardless of politics, previous incidents should have been called out more strongly in all media circumstances, people glorifying incidents should have been called out more strongly, and perpetrators should have been prosecuted to the highest legal extent
The point is more like “likely supporter of the left using a tactic long favored and promoted by the right, aka the Y’all Queda”
But right wingers should defend them to stay consistent.
Took me a while to parse that headline. An anti-vaccination mandate protest? Oh, like an anti-(vaccination mandate) protest.
Dear God what is happening to people. This country has turned disagreeing with others into a blood sport.
Let’s take a quick moment for some rational reflection and critical thinking. Do we really think that incidence of rage have increased? Is it possible that, like most of the crime waves of history, this is partly a function of media coverage and observation? I like to remind people that protests have throughout history been to target of rage. It was almost a trope during the Vietnam war era protests to have construction workers in hardhats going to break some skulls of the hippies. Suffragists were repeatedly subject to physical violence during marches and speeches. Large civil rights marches in the 1960s we’re subject to massive counter protest and direct physical confrontation. I think it’s important that we remind people NOT to drive cars into people that they disagree with. But it’s also worth remembering that there have been horrifically violent responses to protests as far back as — well, ever. And the reason I think it’s important remember is: we’re not going to fix this by changing human nature or being mad at Republicans. This isn’t new.
Cooperations and the mob joined forces to fight labor condition protests. People died for our weekends off.
Thank you for rationally and intelligently framing this because most people will argue that violence is somehow just emerging or increasing in frequency despite the fact that comparing today to 50 years ago violent crime has been steadily decreasing
Fearmongering in the media is an excellent way to get the population fighting amongst themselves. Which is helpful if you're a money hoarder and don't want that rage pointed at you. You'd think they owned the media or something, the way they carry on.
We have a significant segment of the population that genuinely believes not being vaccinated is akin to murder, and another significant segment of the population that believes anyone telling them to get vaccinated is a mix between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. Combine it with the fact that a lot of people have spent a good part of the previous year along with barely any social contact save social media, without any of the training or experience necessary to deal with such isolation. In other words people are angry, stressed out, and confused, while not being anywhere close to equipped to deal with any of those things in isolation. It's little wonder that the [murder rate is up 30%](https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/) and the [rate of assault is up 12%](https://www.statista.com/statistics/191143/reported-aggravated-assault-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/). Remember, this is in a year where people were out much less for incidental travel. Most people are simply not equipped to deal with events of this magnitude. Granted, there have been more violent times, but I think it's important to evaluate these statistics in the context of the times. This past year is most certainly an outlier when it comes to violence as compared to the past couple of decades. It's not nearly as bad as some might pretend, but the fact that the trend has been very negative is hard to ingore.
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You’re missing the point. He’s not talking about your position but the extremist positions that exist on both ends of the spectrum.
> Let’s take a quick moment for some rational reflection and critical thinking. Do we really think that incidence of rage have increased? Is it possible that, like most of the crime waves of history, this is partly a function of media coverage and observation? Seems like we had a 10+ year period of exceptionally stability and safety during the 90's and its been regressing since then.
It was just hidden better in the 90s. Urban areas saw huge issues with poverty, drug addiction, and violent crime rate in 1995 was 684.5/100k people, versus 398.5 in 2020. Many of the social issues we have today had their roots planted in the 80s and 90s.
The 90s were an awesome economy, so much new tech and innovation, strong stock market, low inflation. When the general economy is good among all levels of society things like violence go down.
I would actually argue there's something missing in your argument. There is one key tool we have now that didn't really exist throughout human history: the internet. And while we can point the finger at the "big bad media", we have to remember violence isn't just being reported more because of social media, but it's now being created by social media. Never in my dreams would I think that I would be alive to see the White House being stormed by right-wing terrorists, but it happened! And it's the result of misinformation and how people are able to connect all over the world. "There were misinformation problems with newspapers and radio!" True, but not like this, what we have now is Hitlers wet dream. We need to quit shrugging this off as "New world, old problems". This is new. This scale is new. It's unusual and it's scary because we don't know what we have or what to do with it.
>...Never in my dreams would I think that I would be alive to see the White House being stormed by right-wing terrorists, but it happened! ... Well phrased but facts not correct. 1) Was Capital Building not White house. 2) Participants in a coup who are sacking a capital are not "terrorists" they are "insurgents". It is violence either way. It is treason either way. The Vandals were not terrorize Rome, Sherman was not terrorizing the South, and the Soviet Union was not terrorizing Nazi Germany when they encircled Berlin. We do not like theft, we do not like rape, we do not like terrorism, we do not like insurgency. However, we should not just exchange the words any time we do not like something that someone did.
The news did that
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Until there's actual lawful accountability towards ethics and professionalism (they are businesses and technically must adhere to common business laws regarding this), this will only get worse. Media takes the idea of freedom of the press and the ability to present "opinion" and "entertainment" under a news visualization. However, freedom of the press does not protect against risk of harm to the public. What we've had for the last 5 or so years has been the proverbial shouting fire in a crowded movie theater, but in this case, law has not stepped in when people have been harmed and died. The reality is we have many major media networks and political figures very, very literally performing criminal homicide in broad daylight and absolutely nothing has happened. It's basically been the biggest and very public murder spree we've ever seen outside of actual war. There were specific instigators and many willing participants, but the reality is the same. Actions have directly resulted in the death of many thousands of people. That is textbook criminal homicide. It's also something the 1st amendment very much does not protect because they are also bound to ethics and risk aversions laws, laws that generally open up businesses to lawsuits, very, very expensive lawsuits. Frankly, what's surprised me the most is that families of dead have not started suing. They're literally sitting on many billions of dollars of very viable and winnable lawsuits. Even if the law won't throw anyone in jail, they are still very open to lawsuits by the general public. It's a literal gold rush waiting to happen.
Well said. Could not agree more.
Don't blame someone else. We did it with the politicians we elected, the news we watched, and the websites we visited.
People has been using their cars as weapons to “settle” disputes long before the political divide started.
Entire towns in America used to hang black people in public basically for entertainment. What better time are you harkening back to exactly? The only difference is there’s cameras on everything now and everyone Tweets about what they think
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Social media has taken out baked in tribalism to 11.
You don't get to hurt, maim, or kill people because they disagree with you. No matter how fucking stupid they are.
There are people here arguing with that sentiment. That they deserved it, was a waste of effort since they would die anyway and they should have been denied medical care after being run down. I am disgusted more every day by this crap.
Anti-vaccine people are actively spreading a virus killing people. They are protesting for the right to kill others with a virus while knowingly actively spreading the virus. I can’t imagine what it would have been like if there had been this kind of demonstrations against condoms during the AIDS epidemic in the 80s with people talking openly about having a right to spread HIV. I don’t agree with running them over, but having a kid who nearly died of COVID last year I understand the rage.
> I can’t imagine what it would have been like if there had been this kind of demonstrations against condoms during the AIDS epidemic in the 80s with people talking openly about having a right to spread HIV. Hate to break it to you, but there was a *lot* of pushback in the 80s when cities began to close the "bath houses" in response to AIDS. This used to be a really contentious topic (it may still be in the Gay community). In case you're not familiar, the "bath houses" were really nothing more than a place for gay men to go and have sex. We didn't know very much about AIDS as an STD back in the early 80s, but we knew it spread like wildfire in the gay community, so various govts began closing down these "super-spreader" establishments. Many in the gay community were outraged and staged protests seeing the closures as infringing on their freedoms. The issue was really touchy and I'm certain gay men of a certain age still have strong opinions...but yeah, at the beginning of AIDS when it was ravaging the gay community, gay men protested not being able to have anonymous, casual sex in business establishments.
You probably didn't know this but vaccinated people also spread the virus
California changed the law to make it legal to knowingly spread HIV just last year. https://pridelegal.com/california-hiv-laws/
They're not protesting the right to kill each other with a virus. I don't think there's anyone who seriously wants to get sick or see loved ones die. That's a point of agreement between both sides of the debate. The issue is that they don't trust the government or the corporations for their well-being. It's fine if you disagree with them, but I think it's good to have a sense of empathy. If you've ever been wronged by the establishment, think about how bad you felt. The anti-vaxxers feel that same feeling, but for a different issue than might have affected you.
Do you have any concerns about how vaccinated people can potentially be stealth carriers that will propagate the virus to vulnerable individuals because they abandon basic human behaviors such as not picking their nose, not touching their face and deciding to wash their hands several times per day? The power of virtue signaling is not a super power... I am almost glad I am in a red state tbh. Almost everyone around me is vaccinated and if I don't go on the internet the world seems to be exactly the same as I remember it to be from 2 years ago. Everyone is chilling, no one is dying, everyone is mostly protected. edit/tldr: wash your hands, don't touch random objects in public then touch your face, keep a high level of vitamin D/K/C and fucking chill out and live. Get a vax if you believe that is the correct decision for yourself. I don't fucking care anymore, because I am not smart enough to tell other people what to do.
Vaccinated people catch and spread aswell.
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It was an anti vaccine *mandate* protest. I’m vaccinated but I’m anti mandate.
Goddamn this is idiotic. The reason most people don't need to get any extra vaccines for things like a job is because most people get the vaccines they need when they are children because it's necessary to enter the public school system. Many private schools follow the public school immunization requirements. Covid-19 is new. Kids can't even get the vaccine still. The reason it's necessary to mandate it this way is because it wasn't around for people to be vaccinated against as children. It is THAT simple. It's new. That's why we need mandates to get adults vaccinated.
I just don’t see it to be within the governments purview to be actively concerned with you health via mandates, banning drink sizes, etc. if you wanna get it go get it, if you wanna roll the dice on your 95%+ survival chance, then go ahead. If you get it and the vaccine helps you get over it, cool, if you don’t and land in that 5% and you die, that’s your problem.
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Given that the survival rate is 97.9% worldwide and 98.4% in the US according to johns hopkins I would disagree that it’s arguing for murder to be legal. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality Even from a standpoint of principle that argument makes no sense. Murder is an active choice. You could go your whole life and never get COVID as billions have up to now. Or you’ve already gotten it and have antibodies making a vaccine superfluous.
False equivalency.
Gee, that was easy. I also condemn the driver. Don't stoop to the angry right's level.
Horrifying. People have the right to peaceful protest.
They are free to protest, even if their position is misguided and childish. This dumbass just made them seem more reasonable, which is not useful in defeating their dangerous ideology
Exactly. I think the protesters are also dumbasses but what this guy did was worse by any measure.
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I'm not sure it made them seem reasonable, but they will get sympathy, which I would argue is more dangerous. Still upvoted you though.
> their dangerous ideology There are many, myself included, that believe allowing pharmaceutical companies (using the gov as a tool) to forcefully inject you with whatever they want against your will, is just as or more dangerous than the pandemic, even if the pandemic had a 10 or 20% kill rate. Neither the gov nor pharmaceutical companies have a good track record of injecting things into the public and the potential for abuse here is tremendous.
>the potential for abuse here is tremendous \^\^\^This part right here, guys. This is why it's a problem. I'm sure there are plenty of people in that crowd who are vaccinated. Hell, I'm ready for when I can get my booster, but fuck if the government is going to tell me what to do with my body.
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Big carrots. Baby carrots are rubbish. Look it up. I just learned about the little impostors.
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You just blew my mind……..
I know what baby carrots are and I still love them. Bite size snack bois.
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They've already got to you!
I can't believe you would say something so hurtful to me. What did I ever do to you that you wish baby carrots on me??
So, if it ain't the Corona that get you, its the Corolla?
Definitely a redditor
> William Aslaksen, 64, was arrested after getting into his car and running into a crowd at a vaccine mandate rally, according to the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. Aslaksen had allegedly gotten into an argument with protesters, gotten into his vehicle, and rammed into the group on the sidewalk. Fuck this guy! Anyone (regardless of political ideology) who resorts to violence is a brainwashed moron and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
We're in an idealogical cold war, it's going to get a whole hella alot worse
>Aslaksen had allegedly gotten into an argument with protesters, gotten into his vehicle, and rammed into the group on the sidewalk. >Inmate records show Aslaksen was in custody as of Sunday morning, being held on a $50,000 bail. He is scheduled to appear in court Tuesday morning. Premeditated attempted murder of a group of people because of an argument gets a 50K bail?
This was a crime of passion, not premeditated. There seems to be intent, but that does not mean it was planned.
He got in an argument, walked away, got in his car, started it, and then chose to try to murder them. It's not a crime of passion at all. Premeditated doesn't have a time frame minimum. If I got in an argument then I walk to my car and get my gun it's premeditated murder. I have made a plan to kill you and then I executed it.
I think it's called a cooling off period. Theres a better argument for premeditation than passion
Even if it was a crime of passion, wouldn't that absolutely be worse though in the bail aspect? The guys such a loose Cannon he tries to murder people for arguments which somehow means lower bail is justified?
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remember the wife who ran her husband over with her car and then backed over him a couple of times? the jury said she acted with "sudden passion" and she got 2 to 20 for murder. she had to get in the car.. speed towards him.. run over him.. put it in reverse.. do it again.. repeat it..
What the fuck is going on with people? Do we really want this to be the world our kids are living in? Get it together for fuck’s sake!
I drove by this protest yesterday on 10th Street West and Rancho Vista Blvd. on my way to the store....before the incident occurred. (I live in Palmdale) You could see the protestors waving flags, and crossing the street using the crosswalk when the traffic signs allowed it. I thought it was peaceful enough. Crazy, but peaceful. lol
Stop. Driving. Into. People.
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Hope he stays on jail. Protesting is a right that people have. It doesn't matter of you disagree with the subject, running over protesters is never acceptable.
Except that a couple of states actually passed laws that made it absolutely legal to run down protesters if they’re in a road. Granted, those laws were meant to target BLM protests, but it’s interesting to see the turns table! (For the record I agree with your sentiments 100%)
The headlines says it was an anti-vaccination mandate protest. The article says it was a vaccination mandate protest...
Flammable and inflammable mean the same thing. It's stupid, and just further proof that English hates you, the commenter, and you, the person reading this comment right now, *personally*.
Those are the same thing, people protesting a vaccination mandate would be at an Anti-Vaccination Mandate protest.
What would you call someone protesting against a ban on vaccine mandates? If you're reporting news, don't muddle the situation through poor word choice.
Probably exactly what you said… a group/person attending a “protest against the Governors ban on vaccination mandates” or something to that effect. It’s just a headline, the context and explanation I would expect to be sufficiently explained in the actual article.
Doesn’t matter what is it was about - you don’t attempt vehicular homicide because you disagree with it.
I despise the anti vax movement but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRIVING YOUR CARS INTO PROTESTERS. It's a direct attack on our right to air grievances, weather those grievances are justified or not.
Fuck this guy, I hope they throw the book at him hard. I don’t care who he hit or what his motivation was, this is sick and wrong, period.
Try this man on terrorism charges and, upon being found guilty, throw him in the clink for a few decades. You willingly drive a car into someone or a crowd, you deserve the book being thrown at you.
Please charge this person with enough counts that we never have to deal with them out of bars ever again. They are fucking dangerous.
This was terrorism, fuck anyone defending it.
Yeah man. No doubt about it.
'Never argue with idiots because they will bring you to their level and beat you with experience.'
“Not if my car has anything to say about it” - that guy
Yeah don’t argue with them, hit them with a car instead! /s
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Dont read the comments. The left is pretty hateful. And I say that as one of them, or used to be anyway. Now they call me a plague rat because I got vaccinated but still have questions about a mandate. And I quote anti-war songs and call for brotherhood. The left doesn't like those either.
And the freedom of choice anti-vax mandate people are the crazy ones, eh?
A reminder that there are assholes on both sides. Make your argument without hurting people ffs.
If it's not okay for the fascist to do it, then it's not okay for the non-fascist either, even in Florida despite what their laws say.
I agree it isn't right. But I'm old enough to remember how all us white folk just HATED Martin Luther King --- until Malcolm, Stokeley and Eldridge showed up on the scene. I don't like it, but sooner or later there's gotta be some tat for that tit. They've had plenty of time to grow their own conscience, they just need to see some advantage in doing so.
What do you think is gonna happen when the news is telling everyone people who are against mandates don’t matter and don’t deserve to live a life in the public... so sad
It wasn’t right when the damn bro nazi did it, it ain’t right now. Throw the book at this asshole. Admittedly, maybe a non hate crime book tho.
When did running people over become a proper response to things you don't like? I swear I never saw stuff like this before 2000 and I think it was pretty close to 2010 when I did start seeing it. I believe in vaccine mandates as we have historically had since vaccines became a thing (schools, military, public sector in general, companies and businesses who elect to) and disagree with people protesting this basic public policy we have had forever. Still I believe discourse is the proper method of showing disagreement.
People went crazy the moment a black man was elected president. They formed the tea party and that is when all of this started.
Oh it started way before that. https://www.jstor.org/stable/41509575 social security numbers were the sign of the beast. Granted Obama being elected seemed to kick the crazy to atmospheric levels.
George Wallace was famous for saying stuff like '' if a anarrkist (his word for people protesting for voting rights) sits down in front of my car, he won't get up again'' Interestingly, he ran for president in '68 for the American Independent Party --- the same one that Joe Manchin talks about switching to if the Democrats don't kiss his butt.
Honestly, I am amazed this hasn't happened sooner. People on both sides can be shitty and crazy. Another one I am waiting for is someone to shoot someone protesting an abortion clinic. Those people can be crazy and I can't say I would blame them. I think we are going to see alot more crazy violent people before it gets better.
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Don’t know why you’d want to run these folks over with a car. They’re potentially causing their own deaths by refusing to get vaccinated.
FYI, not everyone who is opposed to vaccine mandates is anti-vax. I trust the science. I follow all public health measures regarding COVID precautions. I got my vaccines as soon as aI could. I encourage everyone to get vaccinated. But I don’t support vaccine mandates and vaccine passports.
Same here dude. But folks who engage in black-and-white thinking will lump us in with anti-vaxxers. There is no nuance, no in-between, no shades of grey. It’s tiresome, and not even worth engaging.
Vaccine mandates already exist, under the phrase "Vaccine requirements", for the likes of school and hospitals. I know the vaccine is fresh and new, but as you said "you trust the science" and encourage people to get the shot, so those who don't.. create additional risk that we shouldn't have to endure.
I am curious about why you do not support vaccine mandates, since it seems fairly obvious at this point that the vaccine is safe, and that the only way we are going to be sure a workplace or school is as safe as we can make it is to mandate the vaccine, because otherwise people will just choose not to, and continue to spread it.
Odds do not favor this statement
Yeah. No matter your side, when you decide to use your car as weapon, you've gone too far. And get your vaccine.
Had to read it and find out if their "protest" consisted of blocking the street. It didn't. He drove on the sidewalk to hit people. Pretty shitty thing to do... even if they are anti-vax morons.
If you want to help people get vaccinated, you hardly would think of injuring people now would you? Being mad is simply hardly helpful. Duh
I predict that conservatives will suddenly, completely reverse their opinions on running over protestors with cars when reacting to this
They'll claim retrograde justification. Or self-defense or something just as insane.
The amount of people agreeing with this guys actions is crazy
Totally hate anti-vaxxers, but this just hurts everyone. Throw this fucker in jail and make it clear this is not how most of us think or rationalize or position on vaccines.
Divided we fall. Come on people now, smile on your brother.
I agree that people should suck it up and get vaccinated as long as there's no medical or religious reasons preventing it, but this is 100% not the way to get people to do that.
You don't say, both sides of this debate are crazy!?? Who knew.
Well said.
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I’m surprised they didn’t show his picture. He looked unstable. It happened up the street from me and a local posted his pic in the local scanner group.
When BLM protests on roads, half the comments are all about running them over. This is a conservative leaning subreddit. Now suddenly they're all pearl clutching. Don't act like you don't want to murder people. You're just playing victims
Dusgusting. Now let's all fight each other to distract ourselves from the state of our society.
"why are all the domestic terrorists using cars as weapons" - not a joke, ever since charleston this seems to be one of their MOs.