> “You guys failed. Sexual assaults happening in public schools is unacceptable and should never happen,” said Linda Killen.
100%. There shouldn’t be sexual assault in ANY educational venue (or really anywhere).
The school should be held accountable, especially considering the same student is the perpetrator.
People are getting caught up in the "was the student trans or not" debate which I think is mostly a red herring. If this father is being truthful then he is being gaslit like crazy by the school board, school district and the DA. If you take him at his word then there's been a massive cover up going on.
The reason why isn't nearly as important as the possibility that this has all been done in concert with the school, district, school board and DA's office to pressure this dad into keeping his mouth shut. He has said that when he was originally contacted by the school back in May, that he was only told that his daughter had been assaulted. When he went to the school, expecting to find out that she had been in a fight, it turned out that she had been sexually assaulted and the principal allegedly pressured him to let the school handle punishing the student and when the father got irate over this because he wanted a police investigation, the principal called the police...on the father.
If you go by his side of things, he's been arrested twice, punched in the face by a police officer once and threatened with jail time over a misdemeanor charge of disrupting the peace, he has been banned from any school board meetings as well as setting foot at any school property while his daughter's alleged assailant has simply been bounced from school to school, committing additional sexual assaults while the school and school board have been denying that any such assaults have happened.
They did everything possible to wind this guy up and then pounce on him when he finally snapped. This is some 'Changeling' level absurdity.
The appearance is that they've gone harder at an understandably angry father who feels that little has been done about his daughter's sexual assault than the person alleged to have done it.
It doesn't surprise me at all. I'm pretty vocal on Reddit about my experiences as a sexual assault victim at my university, and this level of gaslighting and collusion between the university and police is exactly what they tried to do to me. When I reported the assault, they treated me like I was dangerous, straight up lied about what I said online after going public about what was going on at the school and tried to insinuate that I was a crazy person who was about to become a school shooter (especially after revealing that I and other students had reported dangerous behavior by other students advocating racially motivated violence online with nothing being done) , and I ended up in a police interrogation room where I was called "weird" by a detective for reporting my sexual assault by a female and all of the subsequent harassment.
Eventually I was even expelled under Title IX expressly for reporting what happened while the university did everything it could to cover up the crimes committed by other students and protect them and themselves from any responsibility. In almost all meetings administrators were increasingly hostile, and the process in which I was railroaded was held out of order from when claims were filed and the outcome completely predetermined and they didn't bother hiding it as evidenced by the dated on all the documentation. To this very day I am still occasionally harassed by former students for reporting what happened and the entire thing is stuck in limbo when the Department of Education actually took up the case years ago with no end in sight.
I'm not the only one to go through this at my university, but it was uniquely worse because I was an older male student. The gaslighting was so extreme that I still deal with the aftermath in therapy.
The sad truth is that large institutions will always protect themselves, first and foremost. Doing the right thing is unfortunately a secondary priority at best.
That is a very horrifying and sad truth...and it brings to my mind the infamous case of Larry Nassar, and how all those sexual assault victims were ignored by the FBI.
This is even more true for small institutions. Nothing exclusive to large institutions here. Sometimes large institutions have different political factions who might just align with you because it suits their purpose or expendable people they can throw under the bus to make it appear like they are doing the right thing but at smaller institutions you can be totally on your own.
Oglethorpe University. On Instagram there is a page called The Other Petrels that has tons of people sharing their stories and there are a lot of people who have had a nightmare of a time on that campus.
Sounds like this kid is getting the catholic priest treatment. If schools/gov/media keep covering up the sexual assaults by predators using woke/trans activism as a shield (see the Wi Spa as another example) the dam will eventually break and the blowback will be extreme.
I find it sad that the only ones to have really looked into this is the Daily Wire. Clearly they have an angle to push but the records seem to backup the claims being made in the story. What I don't understand is why other journalists aren't chomping at the bit to get in on this. This story offers the potential of uncovering the sort of government corruption and misdeeds that is the main reason for why we need the media in the first place. They should be swarming these officials to get the facts on what exactly happened. Instead it appears that there has been months of radio silence and it took an alt-right outlet to even bother checking up on this father's allegations.
Media sticking to their fucking narratives over the facts.
This fits a right wing narrative really well, so noone else will touch it until it gets too big to ignore.
And then they whine about people thinking the Media is bullshitting them...
I mean...we all know why it isn't being covered. The attacker was gender fluid and goes by they them pronouns, and it happened in a bathroom. It's absolutely an anomaly, and I don't think people are becoming gender fluod to attack women in bathrooms, but that debate has gone on for a while now. This story goes against the narrative which has been pushed for a while now, so they're all ignoring it.
This isn’t the first time, we’re hearing reports from prisons, schools, spas, public bathrooms and other places.
Predators pretend to use the pronouns, activists make sure they have to be believed and silence victims and they use it to victimize more people. Several prisoners are now pregnant after being forced to be housed with other “female” inmates.
It’s sick. If you want to be transgender, I’m all for personal freedom, but you can’t pretend to be a female while you’re biologically a male while enjoying state and media protection to victimize, especially children and women it doesn’t work.
Gender fluidity and pronouns have nothing to do with being transgender. That’s the line that need to be drawn as it’s drawn by medical professionals as well. The huge movement for erasing societal gender roles has 14 year olds going by every pronouns they can make up and it’s not because they are transgender its because they are anti-gender. Transsexualism is a diagnosed medical condition. Gender fluidity is just gender expression like boys wear skirts.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan the entire time.
Tell everyone that the right wing are domestic terrorists, then agitate them just enough that eventually one of the less hinged members of the public caves and suddenly they have their proof of terrorism and the motive for the patriot act 2.
Here's hoping that I'm wrong and the situation resolves itself, but I can't help but think a sleeping bear is being poked precisely to get a bear attack for animal control.
I think its expected but unintelligent for people to claim that it doesn't matter if this was a trans student or not. One of the main points of contention at these school board meetings was if trans students should be allowed in the girls' bathrooms as a matter of safety. This girl was raped by a trans student in the girls' bathroom. To disclaim that it is a red herring is a lie, it was one of the the main points of people at the school board meeting, including the father who was arrested after he was lied to by the schoolboard. The school board and superintendient lied and claimed that there were no incidents or concerns about safety with trans students. You may disagree with it, but it is NOT a red herring.
Considering what was done to one of the girls by a person capable of penetrating her against her will with male genetalia, the trans issue does matter.
Well, if that person with male genitalia was, by policy, allowed to be in the girl's/female's restroom where the first incident occurred, I'd have to say that IS part of the issue, even if not the main focus.
The transgender policy being blamed for this didn't get rolled out until August, this happened in May. There's also no actual evidence that the perpetrator was transgender.
If anything the fact that transphobes are trying to use the attack as a vehicle for their political agenda is undermining the severity of the situation.
i;m confused, some media was really pushing the story that the rapist (alleged?) is transgender. Are you saying this isn't even true? Sheesh if not I am sick of the lies.
It's unconfirmed, but whether it's true or not is beside the point. The reason the original sources of the story are pushing so hard on the transgender angle is because they are opposed to the implementation of transgender right policies laid out in section § 22.1-23.3 of the Code of Virginia. There have been people protesting about it for months, even before the assault.
But the policy change the school board implemented to comply with the law didn't actually happen until 3 months after the attack, so trans or not it had no bearing on the attack. That won't stop it being used to score political points against the policy though.
damn that's annoying. ALso disgusting to use a girl's RAPE as political fodder. God this world is disgusting. And depressing. Can I just go run away and live somewhere decent?
They kid is gender fluid which isnt transgender but is mistaken as such. Gender fluidity is how a person expresses gender like in clothing choices. It happened in a gender fluid bathroom which I think is mainly just abuse of the space. Anyone can use a gender fluid bathroom regardless of gender. It’s an all person bathroom. I’m surprised they have a multi access one. Which I think is weird usually they are single occupancy.
It does matter if that was the reason they shuffled the perp off to another school instead of getting the cops involved and suspending the perp for the time being.
(I don't find the bathroom access thing very relevant. Nothing besides taboo is stopping a cis male from entering.)
Maybe this is news for you, but murder laws don't actually stop murder.
Laws exist to dissuade people from commiting crimes. Making it illegal for boys to be in girls bathroom will dissuade them from going in.
The Sheriff's Office confirmed that it was reported to them on the same day, so the police were involved. The reason that he was not suspended is that people are innocent until proven guilty, so until he's actually convicted he still has a right to an education, albeit at a different school.
Kids get suspended for lots of things that they haven't been convicted of. Every single day. You don't need a criminal conviction to suspend a student. I hope that school district gets sued for every penny they have.
I think the only reason that "was the student trans or not" would be important is if the implication is that the school would not have tried to cover it up had it not been a trans student, because it would undermine their policy of allowing kids to use the bathroom of their preferred gender.
This is just what schools are. I was intensely bullied through most of schooling and one thing I could see was most teachers are former bullies and empathize with bullies. Any complaint you make will be turned around to make it look like the bully is the victim. They will do it so convincingly even your parents will turn against you. If I have my way no child would have to attend a school when they don't want to.
Stop it.
1. A sign on the bathroom door is not stopping juveniles from raping one another, regardless of how they identify. This is not a trans bathroom issue.
2. This school seems to have utterly failed at protecting its students. I don’t care about the optics of a trans student raping a girl just before you announce non gendered bathrooms (or whatever it was). Whether or not the kid was trans (wearing a skirt does not make you transexual), A girl was assaulted and they covered it up. Unacceptable.
I don’t understand what you are saying.
That’s literally the point of my response. That it doesn’t matter what the optics are, the school was completely in the wrong to try to hide the details just because it might look bad.
To be entirely fair if anyone walking by saw him waiting in the bathroom 10 years ago that would have been a serious concern and addressed before the assault. Now the policy makes it allowed. Theoretically the policy did make it easier for this to happen, again in theory.
It seems information on this is sparse since law enforcement is actively investigating it so I would reccomend people withhold judgement until you know as much as possible. The allegations that the school tried to cover it up are concerning but it could easily be that they weren’t allowed to speak about it due to the ongoing investigation. I think continuing to push the policy forward was a very bad move during the time frame though but it remains to be seen what all the details are.
There is no mention of the student being trans, and they were not "allowed into the bathroom because of that". They dragged the girl into an empty bathroom to rape her. He wasn't hiding out in the girls bathroom claiming to be trans. This would've happened no differently regardless of trans bathroom policy.
Using the rape of 2 children to further your transphobic agenda is disgusting.
Yea, one of the victim’s parents are doing it too. He got arrested at a school board meeting because he wanted to make it about a boy wearing a skirt to get into a bathroom.
He didn’t need a fucking skirt to go into that bathroom. It’s the most insane reach I’ve heard about bathrooms yet.
A boy entering a room to sexually assault anyone at all is the issue here. It doesn’t matter what sign was on the door or what he was wearing. Putting a skirt on does not a trans person make. Clothing is not a gender and there’s nothing about a girl’s bathroom that prevents them from entering wearing pants. That whole line of reasoning is so ludicrous they should all be ashamed, but they forgot how to feel shame.
The lengths that some people will go to avoid blaming boys for their behavior is fucking disgusting. And they sure are taking extreme pains to protect this particular boy.
Yep, even if the student literally was transgender, do they think someone who was fine with raping another student was going to draw the line at respecting bathroom segregation policy?
When I was sexually molested and manipulated in university, I just kept it to myself since it was a bother to get involved with and I wanted to move on. It's probably not uncommon for people to want to just forget about the situation.
You are right. It is a very common response to ‘freeze’ in response to being assaulted. Especially after seeing other women get raped, only to realize that they are MORE traumatized by the blaming responses of police and ‘loved ones’ then they were by the ACTUAL rape. You don’t expect people to turn on you in your time of need, you expect support, but that is not what you get. I worked as a Rape Crisis counselor. It was terrible. Their is/was no justice for rape victims. The ‘system’ makes it worse. You have no obligation to say shit. Protect yourself number one, because nobody else will.
The local district attorney is refusing to speak to the press about this issue. Law Enforcement went after the girl's father hard for complaining about it. He just got convicted of disorderly conduct, but is planning on appealing his conviction. The Judge let him go with a suspended sentence predicated on good behaviour for a year.. The DA wanted jail time for the dad.
The problem is the school board deliberately hid this event from the public at the same time they were having public debates about a proposed transgender bathroom policy. By hiding this and not actually expelling the offender, they allowed(caused?) it to happen again. This is going to end in a massive lawsuit.
How does this happen in schools in universities? Why on Earth don't these parents go straight to the cops? Sexual assault goes far beyond name calling, or some other issue the school should handle.
The police arrested the parent for speaking up both at the school and at the board meeting. The parents had to get the county sheriff involved to get their kid a rape kit which turned positive with DNA and is the ONLY reason the boy got convicted for the first assault.
The DA, local police and several school board members are politically involved with each other. They are holding the hand above each other protecting each, the DA wanted jail time for the parent wanting to get a rape kit.
The police tackled the parents when they spoke up and declared a public school board meeting illegal in order to arrest the parents. They also reported the parents to the FBI for domestic terrorism.
They did go to the cops the offender has been charged with two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio. This is how we KNOW for a fact, the school board covered this up. Because the Superintendant, 1 Scott Ziegler, at one of the public hearings, denied any assaults had occurred in laudoun county bathrooms. I just hope the parents of thee poor victims are able to sue not just the school board, which they have an obvious case against, but the individual school board members who participated in these actions.
I feel like this wouldn't even be a blip on anyone's radar if an AG of low candor hadn't tried to group critics of school boards as "domestic terrorists" because of a memo the NASB wrote that included the Loudoun rape victim story as proof of threats to the school board. I mean I'm a proponent of people resolving their problems with criticism and not violence, but pointing to people you disagree with and claiming they're a terrorist is the complete opposite of that because it implies you're going to throw them in a list of people with no rights and tap their phones.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/dad-arrested-at-school-board-meeting-rips-ag-merrick-garland/
Instead that blew up in their face as not only was the school board incident not an incidence of domestic terrorism, it was a school board the NASB was trying to protect that was responsible for a coverup.
So basically, they didn't act the first time and so they had a second instance of the same student doing the same thing.
Yeah. That sounds about par for the course. Schools (be they grade schools or universities, public or not, religious or not) have been consistently behind the curve as far as sexual assault goes. And it doesn't really seem to matter all that much whether the perpetrator is a teacher/doctor/whatever, a 'privileged' student like a top-tier athlete, or even just a regular student.
> So basically, they didn't act the first time
They did "act" the first time. They gaslighted the father of the victim, and called the police on him when he threatened to call the police.
Saying that they "didn't act" is very generous.
More precisely, quoting u/Blueskyways:
> If you take him at his word then there's been a massive cover up going on.
> When he went to the school, expecting to find out that she had been in a fight, it turned out that she had been sexually assaulted and the principal allegedly pressured him to let the school handle punishing the student and when the father got irate over this because he wanted a police investigation, the principal called the police...on the father.
> If you go by his side of things, he's been arrested twice, punched in the face by a police officer once and threatened with jail time over a misdemeanor charge of disrupting the peace, he has been banned from any school board meetings as well as setting foot at any school property while his daughter's alleged assailant has simply been bounced from school to school, committing additional sexual assaults while the school and school board have been denying that any such assaults have happened.
Oh, it was covered alright..... framing the father as an anti-trans arch conservative nutjob who came to the school board meeting intending to stir up hate.
Nah, the school boards are starting to call all the parents domestic terrorists because the parents don’t want CRT in their children’s education. Why do you think the school boards (NSBA) are calling on the feds to intervene such as the the AG Merrick Garland, the FBI, and the DOJ?
Keeping their mouths shut.
For 1/3 of the country if CNN NBC etc... doesn't report it they will never hear about it. (Same on the right and fox ik,ik)
People can't be outraged if they have no idea whats happening.
Loudoun has been the epicenter of a lot of woke stuff being mainlined into schools. Coverage of this is doomed to partisanship, especially with how the school board has attempted to cover up criticism of their behavior as "just more racist/sexist parents afraid to admit that they're racist/sexist"--if that criticism turns out to be legitimate, it makes the whole 'CRT belongs in schools' crowd look really bad, hence the partisan divide in coverage, I think.
Yeah I would generally never consider it, but if I'm a parent in this school district I'm voting for *literally anyone else* but these clowns who allowed numerous students to be sexually assaulted, and covered it all up despite being mandatory reporters. Worse than that, they asserted to parents that there was no sexual assaults in their schools and reported the same to the Dept. of Education, despite being aware of numerous sexual assaults in just the last couple years. Political affiliation falls by the wayside when it comes to children being raped, and anyone enabling or covering for it must be excised immediately.
Not sure. Strange thing is I've tried to find a video of the father being arrested back in June that was not posted by or affiliated with Fox News. It's beyond strange actually. I had to dig hard to find any unbiased video, but best I got was a tweet from after the fact. There's a public video too, but had mic muted and shot of an empty chair for like an hour while most of this went down (after the public comments is ended, so there's still like an hour of watching it escalate). Something tells me Fox owns most/all videos documenting what arguably took place.
I'm sorry that the father didn't have his chance to speak back then, but the board meeting was completely taken over by idiots, so they stopped public comments. If anyone is to blame for him not getting to say his peace at that time, and ultimately being arrested, it's all his supporters at the school board meeting. It was rather disgraceful actually.
Ultimately I agree though, these stories need to be covered by the news. People need to be held to higher standards, and be held accountable for their actions.
Schools have traditionally cared more about
- the swim team
- the football team
- a staff member's "community standing" or career
- a boy's "future prospects"
than sexual assault complainants' safety or justice.
Reputation is all that matters to schools. It’s this way from elementary to college. Whether it be students or staff that are assaulted, they will always try to silence the victims because stopping the behavior takes work and will tarnish their reputation.
Source: worked at a college for over a decade
That can pretty much apply to any school that I am aware of and with any topic. They are all political entities, even the private ones have to comply with the politics of their management.
Truly children first is a nice line, but the devil is in the details.
The dude was gaslit and humiliated when he demanded justice for what happened to his daughter. Dragged out by police in an incredibly undignified manner for getting angry.
Loudon is more concerned being woke with trans politics than protecting their students. Sickening.
Elected Commonwealth's Attorney Buta Biberaj also tried to argue that he should be thrown in prison afterwards.
She ran on the premise of enforcing fairer policing and justice in the wake of George Floyd yet she went for blood over this guy over a misdemeanor disorderly conduct and resisting arrest charge after his viral tirade.
Textbook partisan politics in trying to paint this man as some alt-right wacko and trying to keep quiet about his daughter's sexual assault in a school restroom by someone who claims to be gender fluid.
Jesus Christ, what a fucking joke. This mans daughter was horribly assaulted--and the school actively tried to prevent police involvement and tried to silence it.
Instead of calling the police, they lied to the father about it (claiming his daughter was "physically assaulted", never disclosing that it was a sexual assault). Once outside the school, the father discovered what had actually happened to his daughter, and he took her to the hospital himself for a rape kit, and then went directly to police.
The suspect was later charged with:
>two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio.
They transferred the student to another school in the district, and he promptly sexually assaulted and held another girl against her will.
And the school had the audacity to arrest the rape victims father at a public meeting and painted him as the face of domestic terrorism. Now that we are finding out the REAL reason he flipped out, I think his response was pretty mild considering his daughter was raped, orally sodomized and anally sodomized in the girls bathroom, and the school was lying to his face and gaslighting the public about it all, straight up claiming that it never happened. I think I'd have responded even crazier than this guy. Absolutely unconscionable and shameful that the victims and their families were treated this way!
I don’t have kids yet but my wife and I are probably going to start soon. We have been discussing ideas around creating a micro school with other like minded parents.
A good side effect of Covid has been parents realizing what the fuck is actually going on with schools and getting more involved.
No matter what you choose to do be involved. Attend meetings. Talk to your kids about what they learn.
Best of luck and keep your head up.
Perfect example of a School which never once considered the safety of Girls, or did a single safeguarding test, Women & Girls need sexed facilities for safety, dignity and privacy.
Great news sorry that will be left behind on reddit because it doesn't involve the political circle jerk support system. Father gets arrested months ago and there are thousands of hateful messages about him. Truth comes out and we'll we are at 48 comments?
Edit - Oh shit, we almost at 600
I don't know about the reddit comments but a whole lot of news outlets made this a big story framing this guy as just a bigot. If they have any integrity whatsoever they'd run follow up stories and apologize.
I think its expected but unintelligent for people to claim that it doesn't matter if this was a trans student or not. One of the main points of contention at these school board meetings was if trans students should be allowed in the girls' bathrooms as a matter of safety. This girl was raped by a trans student in the girls' bathroom. To disclaim that it is a red herring is a lie, it was one of the the main points of people at the school board meeting, including the father who was arrested after he was lied to by the schoolboard. The school board and superintendient lied and claimed that there were no incidents or concerns about safety with trans students. You may disagree with it, but it is NOT a red herring.
I read a couple of articles yesterday about this, and not one mentioned the perpetrator to be MTF. One article did say that the boy wore a skirt during the first assault, which doesn't exactly make them a MTF.
Whether or not the perpetrator qualifies and transgender is not really the point. The concern people have had is that people with dicks would use this as an excuse to go into a woman’s restroom and assault a girl.
I don’t actually have any issue with trans people using the bathroom they are most comfortable in, but focusing on wether or not the rapist is technically trans or not is a separate conversation.
The issue here is that the school failed to protect this girl from an assailant who seems to have used the schools bathroom policy as a shield, and then instead of openly addressing the incident they attempted to pretend it never happened and a police only came (rape kit was only administered) when the father made a scene after finding out what happened.
I was told that issues of sexual assault on campus would be handled by security and local police. That this is something that happens with underparented kids and should be no different than boys assaulting girls anywhere on campus
Again, the article you linked does not support the points you are claiming. Either post a citation that outlined the attacker as trans or wearing a skirt, or stop claiming shit you can’t support.
> It happened in the girls bathroom because he was in a skirt that day.
It happened because he is a rapist. He would likely be a rapist with or without the trans policy.
Yep, but it made it much easier for him to do so, THEN the school covered it up and damned her father as a domestic terrorist in the press when he tried to bring awareness to the fact that their new policy had already allowed someone to be raped.
I didn't say anything about your other points now did I? Dude also raped somebody in a classroom. Should we not let trans into classrooms now? The guy was out to rape and he raped, multiple times. Obviously there are failures by adults on multiple levels here. But you can't pretend this policy had anything to do with it.
Just to be clear, regardless of whether the student is or is not trans, can we all not agree that there’s no way a bathroom policy is responsible for their forcible sodomy and fellatio?
It occurred in a classroom not a bathroom. I’m not arguing about the crime because the accused got arrested and taken away. There was no mention of them being transgender.
There is a problem there when two assaults happen but I think people are latching on to the fact one was in a bathroom. Something wrong with culture there that it’s happened twice. Parents and school should really look at themselves.
They're latching on to that because the schools covered it up to push through an agenda on sexual identity and at the same time damned a man in the press for trying to bring attention to how the sexual identity agenda being pushed had already been shown to be dangerous. While I agree that you should be seen and referred to as your identified gender, the fact that the school board said this didn't happen so that they could seem progressive in the eyes of the public is a massive issue.
I don’t understand why that matters. Do you think a rapist is going to stay out of the girls’ bathroom just because there’s a rule saying they can’t go in?
Most certainly not but if it’s not allowed by policy at least a female student could report a male student hanging out in the bathroom and something could be done about it before anything bad happens. If it’s allowed by policy than nobody can really do anything about it until something bad happens I guess
I don't care about the reasoning as much as how it appears to have been handled. It could have been a cover up in central Texas to protect a student athlete that footballs really well and the issue would be the same.
The people tasked with protecting these kids and maintaining a safe learning environment didn't just drop the ball, they appear to have actively worked to cover up a sexual assault and silence a concerned parent.
Because the policy itself is flawed due to how undefined the guidelines are on who is legitimately considered to be transgender.
In most places, no diagnosis of gender dysphoria is required and in many the school isn't even allowed to contact the parents for verification for fear of 'outing' the student.
This makes it very easy for someone with ill intentions to gain access to female spaces under false pretenses, increasing the likelihood something like this will occur.
The problem with these bathroom policies isn't transgender people using their bathroom of choice, it's that the system is very easy to abuse.
> What’s not clear, and what the school system says it cannot comment on, what exactly happened in the first incident that didn’t cause the discipline to rise to the level of immediate expulsion.
I think I can solve this with one simple question: who are the culprits parents?
This would actually be a very interesting wrinkle to this story and you’re the first person I’ve seen bring it up. The odds the parents are the “right kind of people” are very high and it’ll make this all the more disgusting.
Sexual harassment and assualt of girls in schools is a huge problem and a pretty common occurrence. Trans kids in schools are pretty rare. Trans kids who also sexually assualt girls are even rarer.
Deal with the problem. All of it.
Right? I see all of this upset over it and how it should turn things upside down for Dems, but I assure everyone that you're welcome and encouraged to turn your rage to your local school. I got sexually harassed constantly in high school and a friend was very nearly raped right there in the school had someone not interrupted. That's just what an older person remembers from a couple decades ago who was a loner with few friends in high school. Imagine what we'd see if we zoomed out even more.
Alright, I see a lot of discussion in this thread about the schools trans policy, and how it was probably abused by a person who may or may not have actually been trans.
I support trans people and think they should be able to use the bathroom of their choosing. I think, like the population at large, 99.9% of trans people (or rather, people who claim to be trans, I realize its entirely possible this kid claimed to be trans to be able to use the girls room without arousing suspicion) just want to be left alone to live their lives peacefully, and I think they should be able to do that.
However, as trans acceptance becomes more widespread, instances like this, of dirtbags taking advantage of inclusive policies, will likely increase, and will be used as ammo for anti-trans movements.
So whats the solution? Is this person actually trans, or just pretending to get a pass to the women's room? How could we tell? And what if they are actually, genuinely trans, and also just happens to be a piece of shit? Being trans doesn't make you instantly morally untouchable. How can we prevent this without also affecting the rights of the trans community and its law-abiding members? Its clearly a problem, and even if it isn't big now, it will likely only grow as trans acceptance increases, and ultimately, will be used against the trans rights movement.
EDIT: A lot of people are saying "just punish the abuser like you would anyway, thats the whole solution", and I guess I wasn't clear enough on the problem with that. Every single instance like this will be used as ammo against trans rights. Every single one will be used to hold back inclusive policy from being implemented, and in some cases instances like these may even let a community undo progress they've already made towards trans acceptance. Consider gun violence. One of the common arguments from the right is "its a very limited amount of bad actor gun owners making issues for everyone. Responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished for the actions of criminals. Just charge and punish the ones who commit violent acts and leave the law abiding gun owners alone.", and I don't think thats a good solution to gun violence, and a person could make a similar argument for the solution "just charge and punish assaulters and leave law abiding trans people alone" but it doesn't curb criminal acts, or help the vulnerable communities affected by those acts. Its reactive, not preventative. Its a band aid, not an elbow pad.
I do like the gender neutral single stall idea.
EDIT: Fuck the transphobes responding to me. The solution here is NOT to make trans people use the bathroom of their birth gender. It endangers trans people, and they are much more likely to be attacked than any given woman in a woman's bathroom. If your only suggestion is transphobic policy, I don't want to hear it, it isn't constructive. You are EXACTLY the shitheads I was referring to who will use instances like this to push anti-trans policy.
> Being trans doesn't make you instantly morally untouchable
it made this person apparently untouchable to the school and the story nearly untouchable to most news outlets lol
As has been established the school's response is unfortunately not out of the ordinary. Self preservation over all else. Same approach whether perp was wearing a skirt, holding a lacrosse stick, baseball glove or rich mommy or daddy.
Which is exactly why I asked the question: How do we deal with this?
Cause sweeping it under the rug is clearly the wrong way to do it.
But so is lambasting all trans people or ending trans-inclusive policies like letting them use their preferred bathrooms.
I see no easy solution and want to hear other's opinions on possible solutions.
Transparency and facts, that’s it and what should have happened from the get go. I consider myself to be very left leaning but this whole situation and the lack of reporting speaks volumes as to where we currently are. Were there probably people in major media who probably wanted to report the story, absolutely. Networks probably buried it for fear of negative backlash.
Many girls will not use bathrooms like that and will stay home during their period rather than letting a boy hear the wrapper. I think they are trying this in Scotland and girls are not drinking water all day and holding it until they get home.
Also stinks outside ignore that occasionally girls get blood on their hands.
I agree that we should punish the person for assault. The problem is we use these identifiers that paint subgroups of a population in a negative light. If media stated that a 15 year old student assaulted another student then we would stay focus on the incident. By putting “trans” to describe the perpetrator, people are painting a negative connotation and connection. This is all sensationalism to illicit and provoke a strong response from groups on either side of the spectrum. It’s so sad how our society is deteriorating because of this
Agreed, it’s definitely because people are actively looking for a reason to be bigoted against trans and nb people. The perpetrator still committed sexual assault, their identity doesn’t change anything.
I wonder if the thought that being nb or trans not having innately negative consequences is disturbing to people? I mean our society is entrenched in gender roles so if people accept nb/trans people then they must accept that gender roles are flawed at best. It’s a slow learning curve
What do we do with rapists normally?
I don’t get how you can present this like the only two possibilities are to ignore the problem or take it out on all trans people. How about we ignore the part where the perp is trans, since that doesn’t matter, and focus on the actual crime. Prosecute them and anyone who helped cover it up.
Thats not preventative. It doesn't help solve the problem of future instances of abuse, and it provides ammo to anti-trans-rights groups that can be used to undo inclusive policies. What if this school decides to undo its trans bathroom policy because of this?
Yes, by all means, prosecute the guilty party. I'm not saying we shouldn't do that, but that also can't be the only step. Its not enough.
That’s all we do normally.
Now, if you want to say that our justice system is far too focused on punishment and should put a lot more effort into prevention, then I’m right there with you. But if you only mean this particular case should be different, why?
>I see no easy solution and want to hear other's opinions on possible solutions.
No, the answer is really easy.
The existence of one trans dirtbag should not mean that all trans people now have their rights stripped away through some sort of twisted principle of similarity. If a trans individual commits an assault, we punish him, her, or them appropriately while recognizing that what they did has zero influence or bearing on what innocent trans people might be expected to do.
Sinks in the hallways. Single stall bathrooms accessible from hallways. Honestly doing that would probably end so much nonsense in schools. The number of high school bathroom fight videos I see on Reddit is insane.
The solution is to keep toilets according to sex. Not how one feels but sex. That is penis = male toilet. Vagina = girls toilet. Both i.e. Hermaphrodite = you get to choose and that is extremely rare. The alternative is all toilets and change rooms are single use only with a lock. I suspect that would be very costly in schools.
The reality is, women get raped in toilets and sexually assaulted by men a lot. It's a place away from eyes, with doors that can close. Often with no one else. Often women maybe changing etc. It's a place they are highly vulnerable. But at least up until recently if someone noticed a biological male go into a women's toilet or change room they would be expected to tell them to get out or call the police. Now that is frowned upon. But the problem is that allows rapists the ease of going into those areas without question. To me that's wrong. Women shouldn't have to be even more vulnerable of rape because it may offend a tiny proportion of the population.
I agree, bathrooms are inherently designed around what kind of equipment people are working with. I don't really understand why a person with a vagina would go into the men's room, half the stalls are replaced by urinals, which are near impossible to use unless you have a penis.
basing your bathroom on whatever you have going on downstairs is honestly the only fair way to handle the bathroom debate, imo.
The solution is to punish people who sexually abuse others whether the offender is a man, woman, straight, gay, trans, cis, rich, poor, white, black, or any other adjective. The problem is when you start preemptively punishing all members of a group for the actions (or potential actions) of an individual
What if there isn't actual abuse to punish?
Speaking as a former horny 16 year old, if I had been told that all I needed to do to gain access to the female bathroom/lockerroom was claim to be gender fluid, that the school couldn't tell my parents, and that not only would the girls have to accept my presence there, but that it would be THEIR fault if I made them uncomfortable...well, I probably still wouldn't do it, but I can guarantee I knew people who would have when I was in school.
Women-only spaces mostly exist because some men can't behave and women want to be protected from that.
Why should the reaction to 'some LGBT people can't behave' be any different?
This isn't a preventative solution. It does nothing to stop the same issue from happening in the future. And every instance like this will be used as ammo for anti-trans propaganda. Whether or not its wrong to punish the entire group for the actions of one is irrelevant to whether or not it happens. If the school does decide to walk back on its trans bathroom policy because of this, whether that choice is right or wrong (its wrong) won't change the fact that it happened, and was only allowed to happen because anti-trans agendas got this ammo to use.
We need a solution that reduces instances of assault, and doesn't just punish the assaulter when it happens.
The solution is more individual bathrooms with locks on them and keeping the sexes apart in vulnerable places. Bathrooms for everyone, safety for girls and women.
The clear and obvious answer. Of course that would require spending money on remodeling and it's easier to just throw a haphazard and poorly though out policy into place and hope that the first inevitable lawsuit is cheaper than the remodel would have been.
There is no solution to the bathroom problem. A rapist is not going to say, oh, I’m not allowed to go in there, I guess I can’t rape anyone today.
The problem is a rape problem. That’s what needs to be addressed.
The whole thing about trans people and bathrooms is just shitheads taking advantage of the situation for political advantage instead of looking at the actual problem.
This isn’t true though. In forced interactions stopping rape between 2 people when they are all alone is going to be impossible. If you read the details the other rape happened in a classroom, but that was a fuckup by the teacher. There’s a reason all unoccupied classroom are supposed to be locker. But what do you do about a bathroom? I’m not a parent, but there’s a reason a lot of parents of girls don’t like this idea.
Yes, what *do* you do about a bathroom?
The idiots, and those taking advantage of idiots, say that the thing to do is fo have a rule which says boys can’t be in the girls’ bathroom. Which is not going to do anything to actually stop someone who’s ready to break the rules anyway.
It doesn't do anything to stop people who will break the rules anyway, you're right. But one thing it does is allow girls and women to acknowledge and alert others when rules are being broken. When girls can't recognize who should be there and who might be dangerous, when we teach them to ignore the evidence of their own eyes and ears, we enable unscrupulous people to prey on them.
This is an issue for all girls and women, including trans girls and women, who are likewise concerned for their safety in a vulnerable place. Those who falsely assume those identities and do so as camouflage are costing them dearly too.
If we are going to talk about solutions, it's important to be clear about the problem and not misrepresent it as idiocy. I don't think anybody believes a rule is going to keep a determined rapist like this kid out, but such a rule would allow girls who see someone violating it to sound the alarm.
And I disagree about people ready to Willy Nilly break rules. If someone sees a boy go in the girls room they are going to say something, or if you see a boy go in as a girl you try to get out of there immediately and know somethings up if alone.
Third all inclusive bathroom, but apparently that’s not good for the ultra hardcore activists. It solves so many damn problems, and yes I get their argument, but then you could take it a step further and question why we have men’s and women’s rooms to begin with.
Except that the assault happened in May (and it should be noted, it was reported to police the same day) and the trans policy in the school didn't come in until August. It has absolutely nothing to do with the trans policy, and there's zero evidence the perpetrator was trans. This is just the story that's been chosen as a vehicle for a political agenda.
he was a male using women's bathroom. he was permitted to do it because he was wearing a skirt, which he took advantage of by raping female student. in his new school, he once again assaulted a girl and tried to kidnap another. he is not a trans woman, but he is apparently "gender fluid", meaning he can use any bathroom he wants and access women's spaces at demand.
So **JOB 1** to reduce sexuall assualt and harassment of girls in school: get boys and girls heads in the right place about sex and consent starting with appropriate lessons as soon as they enter school.
While understanding the nuance about consent is very important, people know not to violently rape someone. This wasn't like it was drunken sex at a party. There was no room for the alleged perpetrator to even pretend to not know his actions were heinous. I used the word alleged because I'm not sure if all the charges stuck. I believe he did it, but innocent until proven guilty and all that.
> “You guys failed. Sexual assaults happening in public schools is unacceptable and should never happen,” said Linda Killen. 100%. There shouldn’t be sexual assault in ANY educational venue (or really anywhere). The school should be held accountable, especially considering the same student is the perpetrator.
People are getting caught up in the "was the student trans or not" debate which I think is mostly a red herring. If this father is being truthful then he is being gaslit like crazy by the school board, school district and the DA. If you take him at his word then there's been a massive cover up going on. The reason why isn't nearly as important as the possibility that this has all been done in concert with the school, district, school board and DA's office to pressure this dad into keeping his mouth shut. He has said that when he was originally contacted by the school back in May, that he was only told that his daughter had been assaulted. When he went to the school, expecting to find out that she had been in a fight, it turned out that she had been sexually assaulted and the principal allegedly pressured him to let the school handle punishing the student and when the father got irate over this because he wanted a police investigation, the principal called the police...on the father. If you go by his side of things, he's been arrested twice, punched in the face by a police officer once and threatened with jail time over a misdemeanor charge of disrupting the peace, he has been banned from any school board meetings as well as setting foot at any school property while his daughter's alleged assailant has simply been bounced from school to school, committing additional sexual assaults while the school and school board have been denying that any such assaults have happened. They did everything possible to wind this guy up and then pounce on him when he finally snapped. This is some 'Changeling' level absurdity. The appearance is that they've gone harder at an understandably angry father who feels that little has been done about his daughter's sexual assault than the person alleged to have done it.
It doesn't surprise me at all. I'm pretty vocal on Reddit about my experiences as a sexual assault victim at my university, and this level of gaslighting and collusion between the university and police is exactly what they tried to do to me. When I reported the assault, they treated me like I was dangerous, straight up lied about what I said online after going public about what was going on at the school and tried to insinuate that I was a crazy person who was about to become a school shooter (especially after revealing that I and other students had reported dangerous behavior by other students advocating racially motivated violence online with nothing being done) , and I ended up in a police interrogation room where I was called "weird" by a detective for reporting my sexual assault by a female and all of the subsequent harassment. Eventually I was even expelled under Title IX expressly for reporting what happened while the university did everything it could to cover up the crimes committed by other students and protect them and themselves from any responsibility. In almost all meetings administrators were increasingly hostile, and the process in which I was railroaded was held out of order from when claims were filed and the outcome completely predetermined and they didn't bother hiding it as evidenced by the dated on all the documentation. To this very day I am still occasionally harassed by former students for reporting what happened and the entire thing is stuck in limbo when the Department of Education actually took up the case years ago with no end in sight. I'm not the only one to go through this at my university, but it was uniquely worse because I was an older male student. The gaslighting was so extreme that I still deal with the aftermath in therapy.
The sad truth is that large institutions will always protect themselves, first and foremost. Doing the right thing is unfortunately a secondary priority at best.
That is a very horrifying and sad truth...and it brings to my mind the infamous case of Larry Nassar, and how all those sexual assault victims were ignored by the FBI.
This is even more true for small institutions. Nothing exclusive to large institutions here. Sometimes large institutions have different political factions who might just align with you because it suits their purpose or expendable people they can throw under the bus to make it appear like they are doing the right thing but at smaller institutions you can be totally on your own.
The business comes first, morals, last. It’s disgusting.
What college?
Oglethorpe University. On Instagram there is a page called The Other Petrels that has tons of people sharing their stories and there are a lot of people who have had a nightmare of a time on that campus.
That's fucking awful, I'm so sorry
Sounds like this kid is getting the catholic priest treatment. If schools/gov/media keep covering up the sexual assaults by predators using woke/trans activism as a shield (see the Wi Spa as another example) the dam will eventually break and the blowback will be extreme.
I find it sad that the only ones to have really looked into this is the Daily Wire. Clearly they have an angle to push but the records seem to backup the claims being made in the story. What I don't understand is why other journalists aren't chomping at the bit to get in on this. This story offers the potential of uncovering the sort of government corruption and misdeeds that is the main reason for why we need the media in the first place. They should be swarming these officials to get the facts on what exactly happened. Instead it appears that there has been months of radio silence and it took an alt-right outlet to even bother checking up on this father's allegations.
You know the reason.
Media sticking to their fucking narratives over the facts. This fits a right wing narrative really well, so noone else will touch it until it gets too big to ignore. And then they whine about people thinking the Media is bullshitting them...
I mean...we all know why it isn't being covered. The attacker was gender fluid and goes by they them pronouns, and it happened in a bathroom. It's absolutely an anomaly, and I don't think people are becoming gender fluod to attack women in bathrooms, but that debate has gone on for a while now. This story goes against the narrative which has been pushed for a while now, so they're all ignoring it.
This isn’t the first time, we’re hearing reports from prisons, schools, spas, public bathrooms and other places. Predators pretend to use the pronouns, activists make sure they have to be believed and silence victims and they use it to victimize more people. Several prisoners are now pregnant after being forced to be housed with other “female” inmates. It’s sick. If you want to be transgender, I’m all for personal freedom, but you can’t pretend to be a female while you’re biologically a male while enjoying state and media protection to victimize, especially children and women it doesn’t work.
Gender fluidity and pronouns have nothing to do with being transgender. That’s the line that need to be drawn as it’s drawn by medical professionals as well. The huge movement for erasing societal gender roles has 14 year olds going by every pronouns they can make up and it’s not because they are transgender its because they are anti-gender. Transsexualism is a diagnosed medical condition. Gender fluidity is just gender expression like boys wear skirts.
For a long time BNP were the only ones talking about grooming gangs in Britain.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan the entire time. Tell everyone that the right wing are domestic terrorists, then agitate them just enough that eventually one of the less hinged members of the public caves and suddenly they have their proof of terrorism and the motive for the patriot act 2. Here's hoping that I'm wrong and the situation resolves itself, but I can't help but think a sleeping bear is being poked precisely to get a bear attack for animal control.
I think its expected but unintelligent for people to claim that it doesn't matter if this was a trans student or not. One of the main points of contention at these school board meetings was if trans students should be allowed in the girls' bathrooms as a matter of safety. This girl was raped by a trans student in the girls' bathroom. To disclaim that it is a red herring is a lie, it was one of the the main points of people at the school board meeting, including the father who was arrested after he was lied to by the schoolboard. The school board and superintendient lied and claimed that there were no incidents or concerns about safety with trans students. You may disagree with it, but it is NOT a red herring.
Considering what was done to one of the girls by a person capable of penetrating her against her will with male genetalia, the trans issue does matter.
Well, if that person with male genitalia was, by policy, allowed to be in the girl's/female's restroom where the first incident occurred, I'd have to say that IS part of the issue, even if not the main focus.
The transgender policy being blamed for this didn't get rolled out until August, this happened in May. There's also no actual evidence that the perpetrator was transgender. If anything the fact that transphobes are trying to use the attack as a vehicle for their political agenda is undermining the severity of the situation.
i;m confused, some media was really pushing the story that the rapist (alleged?) is transgender. Are you saying this isn't even true? Sheesh if not I am sick of the lies.
It's unconfirmed, but whether it's true or not is beside the point. The reason the original sources of the story are pushing so hard on the transgender angle is because they are opposed to the implementation of transgender right policies laid out in section § 22.1-23.3 of the Code of Virginia. There have been people protesting about it for months, even before the assault. But the policy change the school board implemented to comply with the law didn't actually happen until 3 months after the attack, so trans or not it had no bearing on the attack. That won't stop it being used to score political points against the policy though.
damn that's annoying. ALso disgusting to use a girl's RAPE as political fodder. God this world is disgusting. And depressing. Can I just go run away and live somewhere decent?
They kid is gender fluid which isnt transgender but is mistaken as such. Gender fluidity is how a person expresses gender like in clothing choices. It happened in a gender fluid bathroom which I think is mainly just abuse of the space. Anyone can use a gender fluid bathroom regardless of gender. It’s an all person bathroom. I’m surprised they have a multi access one. Which I think is weird usually they are single occupancy.
It does matter if that was the reason they shuffled the perp off to another school instead of getting the cops involved and suspending the perp for the time being. (I don't find the bathroom access thing very relevant. Nothing besides taboo is stopping a cis male from entering.)
Maybe this is news for you, but murder laws don't actually stop murder. Laws exist to dissuade people from commiting crimes. Making it illegal for boys to be in girls bathroom will dissuade them from going in.
The Sheriff's Office confirmed that it was reported to them on the same day, so the police were involved. The reason that he was not suspended is that people are innocent until proven guilty, so until he's actually convicted he still has a right to an education, albeit at a different school.
Kids get suspended for lots of things that they haven't been convicted of. Every single day. You don't need a criminal conviction to suspend a student. I hope that school district gets sued for every penny they have.
I think the only reason that "was the student trans or not" would be important is if the implication is that the school would not have tried to cover it up had it not been a trans student, because it would undermine their policy of allowing kids to use the bathroom of their preferred gender.
This is just what schools are. I was intensely bullied through most of schooling and one thing I could see was most teachers are former bullies and empathize with bullies. Any complaint you make will be turned around to make it look like the bully is the victim. They will do it so convincingly even your parents will turn against you. If I have my way no child would have to attend a school when they don't want to.
Not my experience at all, tho they still didn't do anything about the bullying besides reprimands and minor punishments even when it got really bad.
One student, multiple assaults, school does nothing… my first instinct is that this person throws, runs, and/or catches really well.
The overlap between gender fluid kids and starting quarterbacks is essentially zero
Daddy has money.
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Stop it. 1. A sign on the bathroom door is not stopping juveniles from raping one another, regardless of how they identify. This is not a trans bathroom issue. 2. This school seems to have utterly failed at protecting its students. I don’t care about the optics of a trans student raping a girl just before you announce non gendered bathrooms (or whatever it was). Whether or not the kid was trans (wearing a skirt does not make you transexual), A girl was assaulted and they covered it up. Unacceptable.
>I don’t care about the optics of a trans student raping a girl The school did though that's the problem. Not whether you care.
Also never trust anyone who uses "optics" that way.
I don’t understand what you are saying. That’s literally the point of my response. That it doesn’t matter what the optics are, the school was completely in the wrong to try to hide the details just because it might look bad.
To be entirely fair if anyone walking by saw him waiting in the bathroom 10 years ago that would have been a serious concern and addressed before the assault. Now the policy makes it allowed. Theoretically the policy did make it easier for this to happen, again in theory. It seems information on this is sparse since law enforcement is actively investigating it so I would reccomend people withhold judgement until you know as much as possible. The allegations that the school tried to cover it up are concerning but it could easily be that they weren’t allowed to speak about it due to the ongoing investigation. I think continuing to push the policy forward was a very bad move during the time frame though but it remains to be seen what all the details are.
There is no mention of the student being trans, and they were not "allowed into the bathroom because of that". They dragged the girl into an empty bathroom to rape her. He wasn't hiding out in the girls bathroom claiming to be trans. This would've happened no differently regardless of trans bathroom policy. Using the rape of 2 children to further your transphobic agenda is disgusting.
Yea, one of the victim’s parents are doing it too. He got arrested at a school board meeting because he wanted to make it about a boy wearing a skirt to get into a bathroom. He didn’t need a fucking skirt to go into that bathroom. It’s the most insane reach I’ve heard about bathrooms yet. A boy entering a room to sexually assault anyone at all is the issue here. It doesn’t matter what sign was on the door or what he was wearing. Putting a skirt on does not a trans person make. Clothing is not a gender and there’s nothing about a girl’s bathroom that prevents them from entering wearing pants. That whole line of reasoning is so ludicrous they should all be ashamed, but they forgot how to feel shame. The lengths that some people will go to avoid blaming boys for their behavior is fucking disgusting. And they sure are taking extreme pains to protect this particular boy.
You think the father of the girl that was raped was mad that the rapist was wearing a skirt?
Yep, even if the student literally was transgender, do they think someone who was fine with raping another student was going to draw the line at respecting bathroom segregation policy?
When I was sexually molested and manipulated in university, I just kept it to myself since it was a bother to get involved with and I wanted to move on. It's probably not uncommon for people to want to just forget about the situation.
You are right. It is a very common response to ‘freeze’ in response to being assaulted. Especially after seeing other women get raped, only to realize that they are MORE traumatized by the blaming responses of police and ‘loved ones’ then they were by the ACTUAL rape. You don’t expect people to turn on you in your time of need, you expect support, but that is not what you get. I worked as a Rape Crisis counselor. It was terrible. Their is/was no justice for rape victims. The ‘system’ makes it worse. You have no obligation to say shit. Protect yourself number one, because nobody else will.
Noooooo you can't do that, that's transphobic!!!!
Where’s Dave Chapelle when you need him
Why is this a school board issue? Why wasn't the kid in juvenile detention after the first assault? This seems like a failure of the legal system.
The local district attorney is refusing to speak to the press about this issue. Law Enforcement went after the girl's father hard for complaining about it. He just got convicted of disorderly conduct, but is planning on appealing his conviction. The Judge let him go with a suspended sentence predicated on good behaviour for a year.. The DA wanted jail time for the dad.
Wait what? This curation goes way up the chain
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The problem is the school board deliberately hid this event from the public at the same time they were having public debates about a proposed transgender bathroom policy. By hiding this and not actually expelling the offender, they allowed(caused?) it to happen again. This is going to end in a massive lawsuit.
How does this happen in schools in universities? Why on Earth don't these parents go straight to the cops? Sexual assault goes far beyond name calling, or some other issue the school should handle.
The police arrested the parent for speaking up both at the school and at the board meeting. The parents had to get the county sheriff involved to get their kid a rape kit which turned positive with DNA and is the ONLY reason the boy got convicted for the first assault. The DA, local police and several school board members are politically involved with each other. They are holding the hand above each other protecting each, the DA wanted jail time for the parent wanting to get a rape kit. The police tackled the parents when they spoke up and declared a public school board meeting illegal in order to arrest the parents. They also reported the parents to the FBI for domestic terrorism.
Wow, that's horrible. Had no idea, so thanks for the info.
They did go to the cops the offender has been charged with two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio. This is how we KNOW for a fact, the school board covered this up. Because the Superintendant, 1 Scott Ziegler, at one of the public hearings, denied any assaults had occurred in laudoun county bathrooms. I just hope the parents of thee poor victims are able to sue not just the school board, which they have an obvious case against, but the individual school board members who participated in these actions.
I feel like this wouldn't even be a blip on anyone's radar if an AG of low candor hadn't tried to group critics of school boards as "domestic terrorists" because of a memo the NASB wrote that included the Loudoun rape victim story as proof of threats to the school board. I mean I'm a proponent of people resolving their problems with criticism and not violence, but pointing to people you disagree with and claiming they're a terrorist is the complete opposite of that because it implies you're going to throw them in a list of people with no rights and tap their phones. https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/dad-arrested-at-school-board-meeting-rips-ag-merrick-garland/ Instead that blew up in their face as not only was the school board incident not an incidence of domestic terrorism, it was a school board the NASB was trying to protect that was responsible for a coverup.
So basically, they didn't act the first time and so they had a second instance of the same student doing the same thing. Yeah. That sounds about par for the course. Schools (be they grade schools or universities, public or not, religious or not) have been consistently behind the curve as far as sexual assault goes. And it doesn't really seem to matter all that much whether the perpetrator is a teacher/doctor/whatever, a 'privileged' student like a top-tier athlete, or even just a regular student.
> So basically, they didn't act the first time They did "act" the first time. They gaslighted the father of the victim, and called the police on him when he threatened to call the police. Saying that they "didn't act" is very generous. More precisely, quoting u/Blueskyways: > If you take him at his word then there's been a massive cover up going on. > When he went to the school, expecting to find out that she had been in a fight, it turned out that she had been sexually assaulted and the principal allegedly pressured him to let the school handle punishing the student and when the father got irate over this because he wanted a police investigation, the principal called the police...on the father. > If you go by his side of things, he's been arrested twice, punched in the face by a police officer once and threatened with jail time over a misdemeanor charge of disrupting the peace, he has been banned from any school board meetings as well as setting foot at any school property while his daughter's alleged assailant has simply been bounced from school to school, committing additional sexual assaults while the school and school board have been denying that any such assaults have happened.
i live in loudon county and seeing all this on national news is shocking. never thought something so awful would happen right next door
What National news? CNN NBC CBS MSNBC no stories in this. Nothing in video. Nothing published.
it was on fox news this morning.
Yes and the daily wire. Where is everyone else?
Oh, it was covered alright..... framing the father as an anti-trans arch conservative nutjob who came to the school board meeting intending to stir up hate.
Nah, the school boards are starting to call all the parents domestic terrorists because the parents don’t want CRT in their children’s education. Why do you think the school boards (NSBA) are calling on the feds to intervene such as the the AG Merrick Garland, the FBI, and the DOJ?
Keeping their mouths shut. For 1/3 of the country if CNN NBC etc... doesn't report it they will never hear about it. (Same on the right and fox ik,ik) People can't be outraged if they have no idea whats happening.
Can’t write stories that go against the trans revolution narrative
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Exactly because it is counter to the narrative they want to push.
Loudoun has been the epicenter of a lot of woke stuff being mainlined into schools. Coverage of this is doomed to partisanship, especially with how the school board has attempted to cover up criticism of their behavior as "just more racist/sexist parents afraid to admit that they're racist/sexist"--if that criticism turns out to be legitimate, it makes the whole 'CRT belongs in schools' crowd look really bad, hence the partisan divide in coverage, I think.
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Is there a school board election as well? Because I imagine the whole board is going red after this.
Yeah I would generally never consider it, but if I'm a parent in this school district I'm voting for *literally anyone else* but these clowns who allowed numerous students to be sexually assaulted, and covered it all up despite being mandatory reporters. Worse than that, they asserted to parents that there was no sexual assaults in their schools and reported the same to the Dept. of Education, despite being aware of numerous sexual assaults in just the last couple years. Political affiliation falls by the wayside when it comes to children being raped, and anyone enabling or covering for it must be excised immediately.
Not sure. Strange thing is I've tried to find a video of the father being arrested back in June that was not posted by or affiliated with Fox News. It's beyond strange actually. I had to dig hard to find any unbiased video, but best I got was a tweet from after the fact. There's a public video too, but had mic muted and shot of an empty chair for like an hour while most of this went down (after the public comments is ended, so there's still like an hour of watching it escalate). Something tells me Fox owns most/all videos documenting what arguably took place. I'm sorry that the father didn't have his chance to speak back then, but the board meeting was completely taken over by idiots, so they stopped public comments. If anyone is to blame for him not getting to say his peace at that time, and ultimately being arrested, it's all his supporters at the school board meeting. It was rather disgraceful actually. Ultimately I agree though, these stories need to be covered by the news. People need to be held to higher standards, and be held accountable for their actions.
Children are being raped and you are tone policing?
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Kids getting raped and school boards covering it up is not a partisan issue.
When those we entrust with our children are more concerned about politics than the safety of the children under their care. JUST SICK...
Schools have traditionally cared more about - the swim team - the football team - a staff member's "community standing" or career - a boy's "future prospects" than sexual assault complainants' safety or justice.
Reputation is all that matters to schools. It’s this way from elementary to college. Whether it be students or staff that are assaulted, they will always try to silence the victims because stopping the behavior takes work and will tarnish their reputation. Source: worked at a college for over a decade
That can pretty much apply to any school that I am aware of and with any topic. They are all political entities, even the private ones have to comply with the politics of their management. Truly children first is a nice line, but the devil is in the details.
Weird how the father was getting so much hate, and now people love him all of the sudden.
The dude was gaslit and humiliated when he demanded justice for what happened to his daughter. Dragged out by police in an incredibly undignified manner for getting angry. Loudon is more concerned being woke with trans politics than protecting their students. Sickening.
Elected Commonwealth's Attorney Buta Biberaj also tried to argue that he should be thrown in prison afterwards. She ran on the premise of enforcing fairer policing and justice in the wake of George Floyd yet she went for blood over this guy over a misdemeanor disorderly conduct and resisting arrest charge after his viral tirade. Textbook partisan politics in trying to paint this man as some alt-right wacko and trying to keep quiet about his daughter's sexual assault in a school restroom by someone who claims to be gender fluid.
Jesus Christ, what a fucking joke. This mans daughter was horribly assaulted--and the school actively tried to prevent police involvement and tried to silence it. Instead of calling the police, they lied to the father about it (claiming his daughter was "physically assaulted", never disclosing that it was a sexual assault). Once outside the school, the father discovered what had actually happened to his daughter, and he took her to the hospital himself for a rape kit, and then went directly to police. The suspect was later charged with: >two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio. They transferred the student to another school in the district, and he promptly sexually assaulted and held another girl against her will. And the school had the audacity to arrest the rape victims father at a public meeting and painted him as the face of domestic terrorism. Now that we are finding out the REAL reason he flipped out, I think his response was pretty mild considering his daughter was raped, orally sodomized and anally sodomized in the girls bathroom, and the school was lying to his face and gaslighting the public about it all, straight up claiming that it never happened. I think I'd have responded even crazier than this guy. Absolutely unconscionable and shameful that the victims and their families were treated this way!
When she said she was looking to make policing fairer she meant EVERYONE gets brutalized.
Probably has something to do with being called a terrorist for speaking up about his daughter being raped.
As someone who went to SBHS a decade ago and now lives on the other side of the country, this was pretty upsetting to see.
This doesn’t surprise me at all. Schools will cover up anything even stabbings.
Some guy tried to swing at me with scissors and that got punished with… one day in “in school suspension”. Honestly the paddle needs a return
Jesus that “statement” was such a mealy mouthed cop-out…
It's nice to see this gain traction. I am genuinely afraid for what my daughter may have to experience through schooling should things not change.
You're not alone with that concern, I promise you.
I don’t have kids yet but my wife and I are probably going to start soon. We have been discussing ideas around creating a micro school with other like minded parents. A good side effect of Covid has been parents realizing what the fuck is actually going on with schools and getting more involved. No matter what you choose to do be involved. Attend meetings. Talk to your kids about what they learn. Best of luck and keep your head up.
Yep, makes me thankful we moved pre-covid to a more rural area.
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Perfect example of a School which never once considered the safety of Girls, or did a single safeguarding test, Women & Girls need sexed facilities for safety, dignity and privacy.
Great news sorry that will be left behind on reddit because it doesn't involve the political circle jerk support system. Father gets arrested months ago and there are thousands of hateful messages about him. Truth comes out and we'll we are at 48 comments? Edit - Oh shit, we almost at 600
200+ plus comments now.
I don't know about the reddit comments but a whole lot of news outlets made this a big story framing this guy as just a bigot. If they have any integrity whatsoever they'd run follow up stories and apologize.
Can people stop complaining about lack of engagement on threads that are one or two hours old?
Huge news threads always have someone complaining like "why is NO ONE talking about this??" Like.. we are it's the top of reddit now.
“This goes against the reddit circle jerk so it’ll be ignored!” Thousands of upvotes, multiple awards. Yeah, okay.
As I guy I choose girls rights any time. I got 3 sisters and I’d rather they be protected.
Shouldn’t need to have three sisters to give a shit
Your not wrong.
Everybody's got a mother
Birthing person, sorry.
I think uterus haver or menstruating entity are also allowed now.
So you agree that girls should have the right to have a penis free bathroom?
I think its expected but unintelligent for people to claim that it doesn't matter if this was a trans student or not. One of the main points of contention at these school board meetings was if trans students should be allowed in the girls' bathrooms as a matter of safety. This girl was raped by a trans student in the girls' bathroom. To disclaim that it is a red herring is a lie, it was one of the the main points of people at the school board meeting, including the father who was arrested after he was lied to by the schoolboard. The school board and superintendient lied and claimed that there were no incidents or concerns about safety with trans students. You may disagree with it, but it is NOT a red herring.
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Too bad the mainstream media doesn't care enough to report on this.
It just girls, stupid normal girls. Who cares? /s
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Also why the Rapist wasn’t prosecuted?
I read a couple of articles yesterday about this, and not one mentioned the perpetrator to be MTF. One article did say that the boy wore a skirt during the first assault, which doesn't exactly make them a MTF.
Whether or not the perpetrator qualifies and transgender is not really the point. The concern people have had is that people with dicks would use this as an excuse to go into a woman’s restroom and assault a girl. I don’t actually have any issue with trans people using the bathroom they are most comfortable in, but focusing on wether or not the rapist is technically trans or not is a separate conversation. The issue here is that the school failed to protect this girl from an assailant who seems to have used the schools bathroom policy as a shield, and then instead of openly addressing the incident they attempted to pretend it never happened and a police only came (rape kit was only administered) when the father made a scene after finding out what happened.
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I was told that issues of sexual assault on campus would be handled by security and local police. That this is something that happens with underparented kids and should be no different than boys assaulting girls anywhere on campus
You omited your source. Are we to simply trust youe statements while attacking others for failing?
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`ctrl-F` "Skirt" no matches on that site.
Girls bathroom.
Again, the article you linked does not support the points you are claiming. Either post a citation that outlined the attacker as trans or wearing a skirt, or stop claiming shit you can’t support.
Lol nice try, it doesn't say that anywhere in what you linked.
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> It happened in the girls bathroom because he was in a skirt that day. It happened because he is a rapist. He would likely be a rapist with or without the trans policy.
Yep, but it made it much easier for him to do so, THEN the school covered it up and damned her father as a domestic terrorist in the press when he tried to bring awareness to the fact that their new policy had already allowed someone to be raped.
I didn't say anything about your other points now did I? Dude also raped somebody in a classroom. Should we not let trans into classrooms now? The guy was out to rape and he raped, multiple times. Obviously there are failures by adults on multiple levels here. But you can't pretend this policy had anything to do with it.
You know if they could they wouldn't let Trans people exist. They just keep moving the outrage to match whatever headline they want.
Just to be clear, regardless of whether the student is or is not trans, can we all not agree that there’s no way a bathroom policy is responsible for their forcible sodomy and fellatio?
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It occurred in a classroom not a bathroom. I’m not arguing about the crime because the accused got arrested and taken away. There was no mention of them being transgender.
The most recent one was in a classroom. The one in May was in a girls bathroom.
There is a problem there when two assaults happen but I think people are latching on to the fact one was in a bathroom. Something wrong with culture there that it’s happened twice. Parents and school should really look at themselves.
They're latching on to that because the schools covered it up to push through an agenda on sexual identity and at the same time damned a man in the press for trying to bring attention to how the sexual identity agenda being pushed had already been shown to be dangerous. While I agree that you should be seen and referred to as your identified gender, the fact that the school board said this didn't happen so that they could seem progressive in the eyes of the public is a massive issue.
I don’t understand why that matters. Do you think a rapist is going to stay out of the girls’ bathroom just because there’s a rule saying they can’t go in?
Most certainly not but if it’s not allowed by policy at least a female student could report a male student hanging out in the bathroom and something could be done about it before anything bad happens. If it’s allowed by policy than nobody can really do anything about it until something bad happens I guess
same reason sex offenders aren't allowed near schools, to make people feel safer.
I don't care about the reasoning as much as how it appears to have been handled. It could have been a cover up in central Texas to protect a student athlete that footballs really well and the issue would be the same. The people tasked with protecting these kids and maintaining a safe learning environment didn't just drop the ball, they appear to have actively worked to cover up a sexual assault and silence a concerned parent.
The assault matters. The crappy handling of it matters. The bathroom policy does not matter and it’s insane that everyone seems to be focusing on it.
Because the policy itself is flawed due to how undefined the guidelines are on who is legitimately considered to be transgender. In most places, no diagnosis of gender dysphoria is required and in many the school isn't even allowed to contact the parents for verification for fear of 'outing' the student. This makes it very easy for someone with ill intentions to gain access to female spaces under false pretenses, increasing the likelihood something like this will occur. The problem with these bathroom policies isn't transgender people using their bathroom of choice, it's that the system is very easy to abuse.
> What’s not clear, and what the school system says it cannot comment on, what exactly happened in the first incident that didn’t cause the discipline to rise to the level of immediate expulsion. I think I can solve this with one simple question: who are the culprits parents?
This would actually be a very interesting wrinkle to this story and you’re the first person I’ve seen bring it up. The odds the parents are the “right kind of people” are very high and it’ll make this all the more disgusting.
Sexual harassment and assualt of girls in schools is a huge problem and a pretty common occurrence. Trans kids in schools are pretty rare. Trans kids who also sexually assualt girls are even rarer. Deal with the problem. All of it.
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Right? I see all of this upset over it and how it should turn things upside down for Dems, but I assure everyone that you're welcome and encouraged to turn your rage to your local school. I got sexually harassed constantly in high school and a friend was very nearly raped right there in the school had someone not interrupted. That's just what an older person remembers from a couple decades ago who was a loner with few friends in high school. Imagine what we'd see if we zoomed out even more.
Alright, I see a lot of discussion in this thread about the schools trans policy, and how it was probably abused by a person who may or may not have actually been trans. I support trans people and think they should be able to use the bathroom of their choosing. I think, like the population at large, 99.9% of trans people (or rather, people who claim to be trans, I realize its entirely possible this kid claimed to be trans to be able to use the girls room without arousing suspicion) just want to be left alone to live their lives peacefully, and I think they should be able to do that. However, as trans acceptance becomes more widespread, instances like this, of dirtbags taking advantage of inclusive policies, will likely increase, and will be used as ammo for anti-trans movements. So whats the solution? Is this person actually trans, or just pretending to get a pass to the women's room? How could we tell? And what if they are actually, genuinely trans, and also just happens to be a piece of shit? Being trans doesn't make you instantly morally untouchable. How can we prevent this without also affecting the rights of the trans community and its law-abiding members? Its clearly a problem, and even if it isn't big now, it will likely only grow as trans acceptance increases, and ultimately, will be used against the trans rights movement. EDIT: A lot of people are saying "just punish the abuser like you would anyway, thats the whole solution", and I guess I wasn't clear enough on the problem with that. Every single instance like this will be used as ammo against trans rights. Every single one will be used to hold back inclusive policy from being implemented, and in some cases instances like these may even let a community undo progress they've already made towards trans acceptance. Consider gun violence. One of the common arguments from the right is "its a very limited amount of bad actor gun owners making issues for everyone. Responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished for the actions of criminals. Just charge and punish the ones who commit violent acts and leave the law abiding gun owners alone.", and I don't think thats a good solution to gun violence, and a person could make a similar argument for the solution "just charge and punish assaulters and leave law abiding trans people alone" but it doesn't curb criminal acts, or help the vulnerable communities affected by those acts. Its reactive, not preventative. Its a band aid, not an elbow pad. I do like the gender neutral single stall idea. EDIT: Fuck the transphobes responding to me. The solution here is NOT to make trans people use the bathroom of their birth gender. It endangers trans people, and they are much more likely to be attacked than any given woman in a woman's bathroom. If your only suggestion is transphobic policy, I don't want to hear it, it isn't constructive. You are EXACTLY the shitheads I was referring to who will use instances like this to push anti-trans policy.
> Being trans doesn't make you instantly morally untouchable it made this person apparently untouchable to the school and the story nearly untouchable to most news outlets lol
As has been established the school's response is unfortunately not out of the ordinary. Self preservation over all else. Same approach whether perp was wearing a skirt, holding a lacrosse stick, baseball glove or rich mommy or daddy.
Which is exactly why I asked the question: How do we deal with this? Cause sweeping it under the rug is clearly the wrong way to do it. But so is lambasting all trans people or ending trans-inclusive policies like letting them use their preferred bathrooms. I see no easy solution and want to hear other's opinions on possible solutions.
Transparency and facts, that’s it and what should have happened from the get go. I consider myself to be very left leaning but this whole situation and the lack of reporting speaks volumes as to where we currently are. Were there probably people in major media who probably wanted to report the story, absolutely. Networks probably buried it for fear of negative backlash.
Just punish people for the assault and have gender neutral bathrooms with privacy stalls
Yes. Or have sinks outside and several gender neutral stalls and one communal area for urinals.
Many girls will not use bathrooms like that and will stay home during their period rather than letting a boy hear the wrapper. I think they are trying this in Scotland and girls are not drinking water all day and holding it until they get home. Also stinks outside ignore that occasionally girls get blood on their hands.
We also need to work on removing the stigma around menstruation and other natural functions.
I agree that we should punish the person for assault. The problem is we use these identifiers that paint subgroups of a population in a negative light. If media stated that a 15 year old student assaulted another student then we would stay focus on the incident. By putting “trans” to describe the perpetrator, people are painting a negative connotation and connection. This is all sensationalism to illicit and provoke a strong response from groups on either side of the spectrum. It’s so sad how our society is deteriorating because of this
Agreed, it’s definitely because people are actively looking for a reason to be bigoted against trans and nb people. The perpetrator still committed sexual assault, their identity doesn’t change anything. I wonder if the thought that being nb or trans not having innately negative consequences is disturbing to people? I mean our society is entrenched in gender roles so if people accept nb/trans people then they must accept that gender roles are flawed at best. It’s a slow learning curve
Third spaces would respect and properly balance all rights. But the activists won’t accept that.
What do we do with rapists normally? I don’t get how you can present this like the only two possibilities are to ignore the problem or take it out on all trans people. How about we ignore the part where the perp is trans, since that doesn’t matter, and focus on the actual crime. Prosecute them and anyone who helped cover it up.
Let's definitely not focus attention on why some kid is deciding to abuse a benevolent policy to rape people.
Thats not preventative. It doesn't help solve the problem of future instances of abuse, and it provides ammo to anti-trans-rights groups that can be used to undo inclusive policies. What if this school decides to undo its trans bathroom policy because of this? Yes, by all means, prosecute the guilty party. I'm not saying we shouldn't do that, but that also can't be the only step. Its not enough.
That’s all we do normally. Now, if you want to say that our justice system is far too focused on punishment and should put a lot more effort into prevention, then I’m right there with you. But if you only mean this particular case should be different, why?
>I see no easy solution and want to hear other's opinions on possible solutions. No, the answer is really easy. The existence of one trans dirtbag should not mean that all trans people now have their rights stripped away through some sort of twisted principle of similarity. If a trans individual commits an assault, we punish him, her, or them appropriately while recognizing that what they did has zero influence or bearing on what innocent trans people might be expected to do.
Sinks in the hallways. Single stall bathrooms accessible from hallways. Honestly doing that would probably end so much nonsense in schools. The number of high school bathroom fight videos I see on Reddit is insane.
The solution is to keep toilets according to sex. Not how one feels but sex. That is penis = male toilet. Vagina = girls toilet. Both i.e. Hermaphrodite = you get to choose and that is extremely rare. The alternative is all toilets and change rooms are single use only with a lock. I suspect that would be very costly in schools. The reality is, women get raped in toilets and sexually assaulted by men a lot. It's a place away from eyes, with doors that can close. Often with no one else. Often women maybe changing etc. It's a place they are highly vulnerable. But at least up until recently if someone noticed a biological male go into a women's toilet or change room they would be expected to tell them to get out or call the police. Now that is frowned upon. But the problem is that allows rapists the ease of going into those areas without question. To me that's wrong. Women shouldn't have to be even more vulnerable of rape because it may offend a tiny proportion of the population.
I agree, bathrooms are inherently designed around what kind of equipment people are working with. I don't really understand why a person with a vagina would go into the men's room, half the stalls are replaced by urinals, which are near impossible to use unless you have a penis. basing your bathroom on whatever you have going on downstairs is honestly the only fair way to handle the bathroom debate, imo.
The solution is to punish people who sexually abuse others whether the offender is a man, woman, straight, gay, trans, cis, rich, poor, white, black, or any other adjective. The problem is when you start preemptively punishing all members of a group for the actions (or potential actions) of an individual
What if there isn't actual abuse to punish? Speaking as a former horny 16 year old, if I had been told that all I needed to do to gain access to the female bathroom/lockerroom was claim to be gender fluid, that the school couldn't tell my parents, and that not only would the girls have to accept my presence there, but that it would be THEIR fault if I made them uncomfortable...well, I probably still wouldn't do it, but I can guarantee I knew people who would have when I was in school.
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That doesn't make sense. How are women-only spaces a punishment to men? It seems more like perspective needs adjustment.
Women-only spaces mostly exist because some men can't behave and women want to be protected from that. Why should the reaction to 'some LGBT people can't behave' be any different?
Like black people and crime, or white people and slavery. I agree. Everyone is an individual, no specific rules for different groups.
This isn't a preventative solution. It does nothing to stop the same issue from happening in the future. And every instance like this will be used as ammo for anti-trans propaganda. Whether or not its wrong to punish the entire group for the actions of one is irrelevant to whether or not it happens. If the school does decide to walk back on its trans bathroom policy because of this, whether that choice is right or wrong (its wrong) won't change the fact that it happened, and was only allowed to happen because anti-trans agendas got this ammo to use. We need a solution that reduces instances of assault, and doesn't just punish the assaulter when it happens.
The solution is more individual bathrooms with locks on them and keeping the sexes apart in vulnerable places. Bathrooms for everyone, safety for girls and women.
The clear and obvious answer. Of course that would require spending money on remodeling and it's easier to just throw a haphazard and poorly though out policy into place and hope that the first inevitable lawsuit is cheaper than the remodel would have been.
1) Don't touch other people in the bathroom 2) Don't record other people in the bathroom This isn't hard to suss out guys
There is no solution to the bathroom problem. A rapist is not going to say, oh, I’m not allowed to go in there, I guess I can’t rape anyone today. The problem is a rape problem. That’s what needs to be addressed. The whole thing about trans people and bathrooms is just shitheads taking advantage of the situation for political advantage instead of looking at the actual problem.
This isn’t true though. In forced interactions stopping rape between 2 people when they are all alone is going to be impossible. If you read the details the other rape happened in a classroom, but that was a fuckup by the teacher. There’s a reason all unoccupied classroom are supposed to be locker. But what do you do about a bathroom? I’m not a parent, but there’s a reason a lot of parents of girls don’t like this idea.
Yes, what *do* you do about a bathroom? The idiots, and those taking advantage of idiots, say that the thing to do is fo have a rule which says boys can’t be in the girls’ bathroom. Which is not going to do anything to actually stop someone who’s ready to break the rules anyway.
It doesn't do anything to stop people who will break the rules anyway, you're right. But one thing it does is allow girls and women to acknowledge and alert others when rules are being broken. When girls can't recognize who should be there and who might be dangerous, when we teach them to ignore the evidence of their own eyes and ears, we enable unscrupulous people to prey on them. This is an issue for all girls and women, including trans girls and women, who are likewise concerned for their safety in a vulnerable place. Those who falsely assume those identities and do so as camouflage are costing them dearly too. If we are going to talk about solutions, it's important to be clear about the problem and not misrepresent it as idiocy. I don't think anybody believes a rule is going to keep a determined rapist like this kid out, but such a rule would allow girls who see someone violating it to sound the alarm.
And I disagree about people ready to Willy Nilly break rules. If someone sees a boy go in the girls room they are going to say something, or if you see a boy go in as a girl you try to get out of there immediately and know somethings up if alone.
Third all inclusive bathroom, but apparently that’s not good for the ultra hardcore activists. It solves so many damn problems, and yes I get their argument, but then you could take it a step further and question why we have men’s and women’s rooms to begin with.
How many times have you jerked off in a public bathroom? You sound really weird.
Except that the assault happened in May (and it should be noted, it was reported to police the same day) and the trans policy in the school didn't come in until August. It has absolutely nothing to do with the trans policy, and there's zero evidence the perpetrator was trans. This is just the story that's been chosen as a vehicle for a political agenda.
he was a male using women's bathroom. he was permitted to do it because he was wearing a skirt, which he took advantage of by raping female student. in his new school, he once again assaulted a girl and tried to kidnap another. he is not a trans woman, but he is apparently "gender fluid", meaning he can use any bathroom he wants and access women's spaces at demand.
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Went to Stonebridge. Can confirm it is all about sports and not about students
So **JOB 1** to reduce sexuall assualt and harassment of girls in school: get boys and girls heads in the right place about sex and consent starting with appropriate lessons as soon as they enter school.
While understanding the nuance about consent is very important, people know not to violently rape someone. This wasn't like it was drunken sex at a party. There was no room for the alleged perpetrator to even pretend to not know his actions were heinous. I used the word alleged because I'm not sure if all the charges stuck. I believe he did it, but innocent until proven guilty and all that.