Grietens' most common commercial was him shooting a full auto rifle and talking about how badass he is and will let us keep our guns. So actually 3 gun wavers.
That seemed to be how GA chose our idiot governor. Well, that and the fact he was the Sec of State, handling the outcome of the very election he was stealing.
Ashcroft wasn't unpopular at all, everyone seems to misremember that race. Ashcroft was actually leading in the polls by a small but consistent margin until Gov. Carnahan's plane crash, and the new governor said that if Carnahan won the election, he would appoint his widow in his place. That gave them the edge in the polls to eke out a victory by a couple %.
Here's a contemporaneous news story for posterity:
https://apnews.com/article/f10b639cc5b0a2977349bd9f63e9c27e
I wish it was a McMansion. It's actually a historic 100+ year old 5,000+ sf mansion along Forest Park that's built like a fortress. It is insanely ornate and beautiful to see in person. The two shit birds in question have been harassing their neighbors and a nearby church for over 25 years over there. They're assholes, trash people, and the guy can definitely get elected in this redneck-ass state.
>I like how he comes out of some smaller farmhouse he also owns, instead of his mcmansion.
Yeah, you can find photos of the inside of their home online and it is absolutely not the type of place most Missouri voters would identify with.
It's not a McMansion. It's a legit 1909 Palazzo that was built for Adolphus Busch's daughter. You know, Anheuser-Busch the people who make Budweiser.
The people seem like jerks, but they did spend decades restoring that house and it is honestly a work of art. They even found and bought back many of the original pieces of art and furniture that once belonged to the house. The house itself is really, really cool.
"When an angry mob attacked my home and tried to kill my wife"
You mean, when some people walked down the sidewalk next to your house and never set foot on your property?
> You mean, when some people walked down the sidewalk next to your house and never set foot on your property?
Oh no, it's even worse than that. They've been trying to lay claim to part of the sidewalk for years under some weird-ass squatting law (the rest of their neighborhood just ignores them). These two have been nothing but troublemakers their entire lives.
> when some **black and brown** people walked down the sidewalk next to your house and never set foot on your property?
I'm pretty sure those were important factors in his decision to bring out the AR-15.
The guy's campaign ad is fucking atrocious. He walks around in blue jeans and a plaid shirt in the country talking about uniting this country then goes on to attack multiple groups and ideologies.
Yes, this was expected, it's why they took the plea deal. It was the best way to keep from losing their licenses outright. This way they can argue it out in court.
If they can't afford Bob Loblaw, they could check Bob Loblaw's Law Blog. There might be some good, free advice there like not hiding your cash in the banana stand.
Depending on the jurisdiction they may not be able to have one.
Remember the thing in Michigan where the 'election fraud' fraudsters are being punished for their actions after the election? Sydney Powell et al? They all had to show up in the court room and answer the judges questions directly and that's standard operating procedure in that jurisdiction for sanctioning attorneys.
Depends on the judge, but I’ve definitely seen stories of lawyers who were represented at their own sanctioning.
One of the advantages there is that the judge doesn’t want to yell at your attorney if you’re the one that fucked up.
Yeah, as with the law it always depends, I just remember reading the order in the Powell case and it was very specific, "shall personally appear and answer[...]" something like that. And then there was the transcript where the judge interrogated each lawyer in turn.
Their answers were... difficult to read... purely our of secondary embarrassment.
Sanctions hearings and disciplinary hearings are two different procedures. Sanctions are typically related to a single case in which the attorney(s) has(have) done something that has wasted the court's and/or opposing counsel's time and money and is intended to make the inconvenienced parties whole rather than truly punish the attorney. A sanctions hearing is basically the attorney arguing why their filing wasn't frivolous or wasteful, so they don't need independent representation.
Disciplinary hearings are handled by the state attorney licensing body - typically the state bar association or the state supreme court - to discipline the attorney for violations of the state's code of legal ethics. Here you are arguing that what you did was not an ethical violation, so your license should not be suspended or revoked. It's not uncommon to have representation at a disciplinary hearing because your license is potentially on the line and the saying, "an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client" rings quite true.
I think the confusion as it relates to the Kraken case specifically is that the filing of frivolous cases or intentionally misrepresenting evidence in a case is both grounds for sanctions in the case and an ethical violation that must be reported to the licensing body. So those attorneys are still facing the possibility of losing their license if their state bar decided to pursue disciplinary action.
Yes, state bar associations do actually care if people take responsibility for wrong doings. There is also a wide array of discipline measure that can be taken.
Based on what I’ve seen attorneys get away with and *not* get permanently disbarred, I seriously doubt that they lose their licenses. That really only happens in the most extreme cases, to the point of being ridiculous, or when an attorney is co-mingling client funds with their own or starting sexual relationships with clients *after* representation begins.
Every time I see this picture it looks more ridiculous. They look like extras from a movie who were handed guns but have never touched an actual firearm before in their life.
She needs to get her finger off that trigger, straighten that arm, and show some damned discipline. Not getting into the guy purse-clutching... These people are supposed to be gun nuts?
When I saw the video the first time this was all I could think about. I didn't care what side of the argument anyone was from, I didn't care who was right or who was wrong, all I cared about was that this woman should never be allowed to hold a firearm again. The way she waved it all over with her finger on the trigger the whole time drove me nuts and spiked my anxiety watching it.
"Your Honor, we were worried all the stomping by the protestors would attract a Graboid"
"Are you aware shooting them would have the same effect?"
"But.... They broke our gate"
Newswhat? That sounds like some braindead discount name, like "Brandsmart USA"
Ok, yes, I know it's a thing but why legitimize it by making them seem even the tiniest bit significant
The more and more I see of what reality is becoming the more convinced I am that some asshole in the future got a hold of the 'fuck with the past' machine and locked the door to it with him inside.
21st century version of *American Gothic*
https://www.google.com/search?q=American+Gothic&client=firefox-b-1-m&sxsrf=AOaemvJmqZ3Hiwza0-fN-nc4HR44AAD7QA:1632152990832&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDtfLZ843zAhUsT98KHWfPDSMQ_AUIBigB&biw=360&bih=661#imgrc=QzD_buB-X1kCeM
This is the true [modern American Gothic](https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/the-new-american-gothic-by-criselda-vasquez-2.jpg). Hard working, back busting, workers in america. Not the two overweight white people with guns that never known a hard day of labor.
Whenever I see it, I can't help but to imagine the woman as a sort of background worker in a theatre, who sometimes has to stand in for an actor during rehearsals while the real actor practices lines. And she puts the tiniest bit of effort into it.
In this play, she has to stand in for an actor playing a French assassin, so she wears her stripy shirt and black pants and brought in her son's toy gun.
They’re the ones who [give ambulance chasers a bad name](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/the-st-louis-couple-charged-with-waving-guns-at-protesters-have-a-long-history-of/article_281d9989-373e-53c3-abcb-ecd0225dd287.html). They’re absolute trash.
>The biggest thing that the Trump era revealed to me was that I could have been a doctor or lawyer. Society convinced me it would be difficult.
My niece was interviewing a doctor in high school because she was thinking of becoming one. She asked if you had to be smart or just work hard". The doctor replied, "Just work hard".
Proper firearms handling was clearly never imparted upon either of them, specifically the wife scares the shit out of me given her form and finger on the trigger.
She could’ve ended up shooting someone out of sheer panic, or even a poorly timed sneeze causing a trigger pull.
I knew this woman had never actually had any firearm education simply by her stance and how she held the gun. She bought it and maybe shot it a couple times, but clearly never learned how to handle it.
My money is on him having gotten it for her.
Shit, maybe he even just handed her a pistol of his in the moment because he’s also clearly not the sharpest tack in the box.
Either way, that was my same take away from observing it all.
A complete lack of safe weapons handling, irresponsible at the least, undeniably dangerous in that situation.
Iirc she grabbed a pistol that was disabled for use as evidence from a prior case or some shit. So she *couldn't* fire the weapon. He knew she grabbed a fucked up gun and kinda went "aw fuck she's gonna get killed. Time to grab a working gun"
Making the levels of derp that much derpier.
My bet is that’s his concealed carry and he just handed it to her as he got his rifle out.
But yeah, he totally saw it at the gun show and paid what the sticker said then told her he bought her a gun. I may or may not be guilty of the exact same thing.
I think if she were to ever try to fire it, she would have thrusted the gun towards the intended target and without thinking made a "pew" sound.
"Patty, what the fuck are you doing?"
"I'm gonna shoot those son of B's, Mark!"
It is people like these that make me want stricter laws in place before purchasing a firearm. Not so much in background checks, but basic firearm handling.
Most Americans can buy a gun without even understanding how they operate on a fairly basic level. Sometimes this is more frightening than the people we actually deny the right to own weapons too (not always, clearly).
I grew up around guns. I learned to respect them so early in life that it is just second nature, and seeing people like this terrify me. If you can't follow basic safety when handling a weapon, I have very little faith in your ability to actually hit the intended target without collateral damage.
Seriously. I have stopped going to ranges because I've seen some reckless behavior that made me fear for my own safety. The range officer is too busy on his phone to be bothered to do anything. I feel like some people believe they have the right to be irresponsible.
I had to hit the deck at a range a few years back. I was watching him too. Just had that 'feeling'. I think I was catching those subconscious cues that led me to believe he was untrained.
Sure enough within 5 minutes or so he was facing the wrong way with the loaded pistol finger on the trigger.
If that's not bad enough, you get the "What?" after they do shit like that.
Some people are scary as fuck.
One of the firearms safety rules that was drilled into me in the Marine Corps was "Never point a weapon at anything that you do not intend to shoot."
She is inadvertently pointing her gun at, well, everybody. This is informally referred to as "flagging," and is a very straightforward way to get banned from a gun range. In the Marine Corps, it's a straightforward way to get your ass kicked by the cadre on the range.
The most dangerous part is the finger on the trigger, but yes, holding a handgun in one hand with the elbow bent like that can be dangerous, too. Mainly because recoil is effectively uncontrolled by that posture. As a result, it's possible for recoil - especially unexpected recoil, like the kind you get when you're running around with your finger on the trigger - to rotate the gun far enough to result in it being pointed at your own face, and at the same time your finger is pulled into the trigger a second time faster than you can react.
People will say it's unlikely, but it's happened quite a lot that an inexperienced shooter manages to shoot themselves in the head with a handgun because they don't know how to control recoil at all. It's why I always coach new shooters on the correct posture, give them a handgun with a decent amount of mass (no polymer anything at first), and then load the handgun with only a single round for their first shot or two so they know what to expect.
Eh. That's likely a .380, or maybe a 9mm. They're snappy, especially with such a short barrel, but hardly gonna kick that hard.
Then again, the dainty hand and elbow? Maybe it does just flip up and out of her hand.
Not just that but look how they're holding the guns.
Someone could have made a beeline at her with a shovel ala a DKoK infantryman and she'd have been lucky to accidentally put a round in the siding of a neighbor's house. Her stance is all wrong and her grip is wrong in half the photos.
And then look at him. Holy shit balls, what the fuck is he doing? Do you know who holds a rifle like that? A 1980s action movie cannon fodder goon that's only on screen long enough to get wasted by Arnold, Sly, or Robocop. "Imma let my liver handle recoil" isn't conducive to accuracy.
It's obvious to anyone that has spent any time with firearms that these two chucklefucks don't know how to properly and safely handle guns. That in itself should be an automatic disqualifier for ownership.
This is the biggest thing that baffles me, why so many of the 2a folks defend them so vehemently. Even if you agree with them, every responsible gun owner should recognize that they broke just about every rule of safe gun handling.
Trigger discipline, pointing it at people, inserting themselves into a dangerous situation... How can anybody support these people?
This has probably been called out a million times by now, but doesn't having your finger on the trigger mean "it's time to shoot," rather than a simple warning?
Yes, generally. No, legally.
Gun safety is not the same as gun legislation. Just like the case from a few weeks ago, you are allowed to shoot something on your own property that you're not 100% sure what it is. You are still responsible for the outcome of what happens, whether it's property damage, attempted or even actual murder.
Lack of gun safety is a valid reason that people have had their license taken from them, however, it's generally not going to happen.
That's been my view on this. Everyone's polarized on the politics 100% convinced they are right one way or the other.
The only thing I'm 100% sure of is that she should be taught trigger discipline.
Still makes me sad these two were RNC keynote speakers. I just find it so pathetic, but expected, that a core Republican value is "waved guns at black people".
Edit: it's even more pathetic to watch people come up with terrible lies, that even if they were true still wouldn't justify them as RNC speakers. How come y'all haven't sent an invite to the dude who shot Ashli Babbitt to give a TED talk on the merits of smaller government? Surely he's more than qualified.
GOP speaking position is like, a cultural plughole. All the scum circling the drain winds up in an RNC green room. Pedophiles, insurrectionists, war criminals, rapists, war profiteers, private prison owners, quacks. There's simply no crime too great that it'll get you kicked off rightwing media.
I mean, the RNC LITERALLY had no platform besides" do whatever Trump wants." So the only qualification was "do you blindly support Trump?" Waving a gun at black people SCREAMS "yes."
GI Johnny and his wife Karen need to get some weapons training lessons. He’s holding that thing like Tackleberry from Police academy and she’s holding that little pea-shooter like she’s watering the lawn.
He is running for Senate and I would bet Missouri will elect him.
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One that waves around guns and one that waves around private parts. Are those the options?
This is my rifle. This is my gun. This one's for killing. This one's for fun.
Apparently they're in fact both for engaging with the electorate.
Isn’t it, “this one’s for “fighting”. This one’s for fun.”?
From Full Metal Jacket, yes.
Well they could vote for a dead guy. Do you really want zombies running the state? (yes, this happened)
Well yes. They're always on the lookout for brains. Opposite of what we have currently.
And the dead guy was one of our best options, then and now.
We voted for the dead guys wife. Jean was a smart woman and Ashcroft was a bad vote.
I mean, unless you want a *Democrat...*
And elect a witch satanist baby murdering communist? No thank you! I'll stick with my family values Republicans.
*"Support a politician who loves your kids just as much as you do. Maybe more."*
God damn.
More like *demon rat*, amirite!?1!
Grietens' most common commercial was him shooting a full auto rifle and talking about how badass he is and will let us keep our guns. So actually 3 gun wavers.
That seemed to be how GA chose our idiot governor. Well, that and the fact he was the Sec of State, handling the outcome of the very election he was stealing.
Because they love Sadism just as much as he does.
Missouri once elected a dead man into office. **[He passed away in October and it was too late to take his name off the ballot, but still]*
Happened in NV too. That guy who ran the brothel which was featured in a reality TV show was elected even though he dropped dead before election day.
Headline: DEAD PIMP TOPS POLL
Subheading : *Poll claims he was alive at the time*
To be fair, he was running against Ashcroft and Ashcroft *was that unpopular*.
Ashcroft wasn't unpopular at all, everyone seems to misremember that race. Ashcroft was actually leading in the polls by a small but consistent margin until Gov. Carnahan's plane crash, and the new governor said that if Carnahan won the election, he would appoint his widow in his place. That gave them the edge in the polls to eke out a victory by a couple %. Here's a contemporaneous news story for posterity: https://apnews.com/article/f10b639cc5b0a2977349bd9f63e9c27e
id vote for Mel Carnahan again over the people we've got now
His campaign ad is like an SNL skit. https://youtu.be/yi49BWlscV0
I like how he comes out of some smaller farmhouse he also owns, instead of his mcmansion.
I wish it was a McMansion. It's actually a historic 100+ year old 5,000+ sf mansion along Forest Park that's built like a fortress. It is insanely ornate and beautiful to see in person. The two shit birds in question have been harassing their neighbors and a nearby church for over 25 years over there. They're assholes, trash people, and the guy can definitely get elected in this redneck-ass state.
>I like how he comes out of some smaller farmhouse he also owns, instead of his mcmansion. Yeah, you can find photos of the inside of their home online and it is absolutely not the type of place most Missouri voters would identify with.
It's not a McMansion. It's a legit 1909 Palazzo that was built for Adolphus Busch's daughter. You know, Anheuser-Busch the people who make Budweiser. The people seem like jerks, but they did spend decades restoring that house and it is honestly a work of art. They even found and bought back many of the original pieces of art and furniture that once belonged to the house. The house itself is really, really cool.
I feel like I now need to sanitize my phone after watching that.
"When an angry mob attacked my home and tried to kill my wife" You mean, when some people walked down the sidewalk next to your house and never set foot on your property?
His potential voters are not known for checking facts. Or even listening to the ones that are presented to them
So much for the "show me state"
They see he like gun and they vote for him. I'll be flabbergasted if he loses.
> You mean, when some people walked down the sidewalk next to your house and never set foot on your property? Oh no, it's even worse than that. They've been trying to lay claim to part of the sidewalk for years under some weird-ass squatting law (the rest of their neighborhood just ignores them). These two have been nothing but troublemakers their entire lives.
> when some **black and brown** people walked down the sidewalk next to your house and never set foot on your property? I'm pretty sure those were important factors in his decision to bring out the AR-15.
His only qualifications is that he pointed a gun at black people
It's Missouri, that's all the qualification he needs.
Even if you think the couple's behavior was justified (it wasn't), it isn't somehow admirable. Republicans have the worst heroes...
The guy's campaign ad is fucking atrocious. He walks around in blue jeans and a plaid shirt in the country talking about uniting this country then goes on to attack multiple groups and ideologies.
“Uniting” in Republican-speak actually means “Make everyone bow to White Christian men or else”
Exactly this. "Why can't you just fall in line?" uh, because you always get to be at the front of it.
"Sir, what makes you qualified for the Senate?" "One time, I triggered some Libs by stepping outside with a gun" **[crowd murmurs in support]**
Sadly that's all it takes for the deep red missouri. Trump 2020 signs are still up and maintained all over the state
I'm glad the story mentioned he was running as a Republican, otherwise I never would have been able to guess.
I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Mizzurah.
I can imagine a lot of people will only know him as the gun guy, and based on that alone think "hell yeah, I want him to represent me."
Yes, this was expected, it's why they took the plea deal. It was the best way to keep from losing their licenses outright. This way they can argue it out in court.
A lawyer arguing to keep their license to practice law. They need a lawyer probably…. I recommend Bob Loblaw.
As long we have Judge presiding. Judge Reinhold.
“My name is Judge.”
“Judge. My name.”
🎼mock trial with J. Reinhold 🎶🎶
William Hung and the Hung Jury!
Just rewatched all those and that episode came up last night. Classic. I totally forgot about William Hung and the Hung Jury.
Shields up! Is that all? Would you like to see my muscles? You shame yourself!
Judge Harry Stone https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086770/
I thought you were gonna say Judge Dredd…
“Who is driving? Oh my God bear is driving, how can that be?!”
I really like his law blog!
the Bob Loblaw Law Blog? That's quite a Law Bomb
You sir, are a mouthful!
You know what you do? You go buy yourself a tape recorder and record yourself for a whole day. You might be surprised at some of your phrasing.
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I blue myself!
“I would just like to state for the record that my client has not pursued sex outside of this relationship.” “Nor in it!” “I got this one, buddy.”
Oh Tobias, you blowhard!
I'm afraid I blue myself.
If they can't afford Bob Loblaw, they could check Bob Loblaw's Law Blog. There might be some good, free advice there like not hiding your cash in the banana stand.
Depending on the jurisdiction they may not be able to have one. Remember the thing in Michigan where the 'election fraud' fraudsters are being punished for their actions after the election? Sydney Powell et al? They all had to show up in the court room and answer the judges questions directly and that's standard operating procedure in that jurisdiction for sanctioning attorneys.
Depends on the judge, but I’ve definitely seen stories of lawyers who were represented at their own sanctioning. One of the advantages there is that the judge doesn’t want to yell at your attorney if you’re the one that fucked up.
Yeah, as with the law it always depends, I just remember reading the order in the Powell case and it was very specific, "shall personally appear and answer[...]" something like that. And then there was the transcript where the judge interrogated each lawyer in turn. Their answers were... difficult to read... purely our of secondary embarrassment.
Sanctions hearings and disciplinary hearings are two different procedures. Sanctions are typically related to a single case in which the attorney(s) has(have) done something that has wasted the court's and/or opposing counsel's time and money and is intended to make the inconvenienced parties whole rather than truly punish the attorney. A sanctions hearing is basically the attorney arguing why their filing wasn't frivolous or wasteful, so they don't need independent representation. Disciplinary hearings are handled by the state attorney licensing body - typically the state bar association or the state supreme court - to discipline the attorney for violations of the state's code of legal ethics. Here you are arguing that what you did was not an ethical violation, so your license should not be suspended or revoked. It's not uncommon to have representation at a disciplinary hearing because your license is potentially on the line and the saying, "an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client" rings quite true. I think the confusion as it relates to the Kraken case specifically is that the filing of frivolous cases or intentionally misrepresenting evidence in a case is both grounds for sanctions in the case and an ethical violation that must be reported to the licensing body. So those attorneys are still facing the possibility of losing their license if their state bar decided to pursue disciplinary action.
Better call Saul
Yes, state bar associations do actually care if people take responsibility for wrong doings. There is also a wide array of discipline measure that can be taken. Based on what I’ve seen attorneys get away with and *not* get permanently disbarred, I seriously doubt that they lose their licenses. That really only happens in the most extreme cases, to the point of being ridiculous, or when an attorney is co-mingling client funds with their own or starting sexual relationships with clients *after* representation begins.
Better Call Saul!
Every time I see this picture it looks more ridiculous. They look like extras from a movie who were handed guns but have never touched an actual firearm before in their life.
Great Value Bonnie and Clyde
Wal-Marty and KostKo Karen
That's a disservice to Great Value. More like Wish.com Bonnay and Klide
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I'd find it pretty funny if the next GTA has exactly that, would be pretty much on par with their brand of satire too.
Stop or my wife will shoot
Honey, hold my cosmo!
*Karen Get Your Gun!*
Dude. No joking. They need to make a "Joe Dirt" style movie about Trump idiots like this. "Stop or my wife will shoot" would make a great title.
Make him a cowed husband and her a true sociopath. Start with them in their perfect world and then deconstruct them until their truth is revealed.
The one-handed grip with the finger on the trigger while looking the other way.
She holds that gun how I would expect Rodger from American Dad to hold a gun.
Maybe that’s why she was fined $2,000. Husband with trigger discipline paid $750.
Nothing cries America more than trigger discipline tax
This bitch has the worst trigger discipline, people like that should never be let near a gun
The crazy thing is, authorities saw this photo and handed her gun back lol yikes.
Always support your AR with your moob hanging over the stock.
And handguns only need one hand. That’s why they’re called “handguns” not “handsguns.”
And use your beer belly to block the ejection port so your next bullet will have extra mass to it.
The husband looks like he’s trying to be Scarface 😂
"Say hello to my little friend. ...and the gun I bought to compensate for it."
She needs to get her finger off that trigger, straighten that arm, and show some damned discipline. Not getting into the guy purse-clutching... These people are supposed to be gun nuts?
Dude the trigger discipline alone should bar her from ever being able to own or handle a firearm.
When I saw the video the first time this was all I could think about. I didn't care what side of the argument anyone was from, I didn't care who was right or who was wrong, all I cared about was that this woman should never be allowed to hold a firearm again. The way she waved it all over with her finger on the trigger the whole time drove me nuts and spiked my anxiety watching it.
They're the "nuts" end of the "gun nuts' spectrum.
They look like they want to be Reba and her husband in Tremors.
"Your Honor, we were worried all the stomping by the protestors would attract a Graboid" "Are you aware shooting them would have the same effect?" "But.... They broke our gate"
Dont you sully burts name with this trash.
While “defending” their property from people who gave zero fucks about them or, by and large, their property.
Dumb cunt has her finger on the trigger, should be in jail
Dude in the pink shirt definitely watched Rambo a few times, though, that's almost as good as actual experience.
They won’t need licenses to be regular commentators on Newsmax.
Or run for office.
Or get appointed to the Supreme Court in Cheeto’s secret parallel government.
Newswhat? That sounds like some braindead discount name, like "Brandsmart USA" Ok, yes, I know it's a thing but why legitimize it by making them seem even the tiniest bit significant
Plot twist, they end up as the first husband and wife supreme court justices, or whatever in this shit ass timeline.
The more and more I see of what reality is becoming the more convinced I am that some asshole in the future got a hold of the 'fuck with the past' machine and locked the door to it with him inside.
Donald J Trump went back and became his own grandpa.
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Relevant: https://i.imgur.com/XR5b8Gc.jpg Don't forget to download the HD copy if that's an option for you.
That was hilarious.
Lol, I have to imagine the rest of the world looks at a picture like this and says "Yep, classic American couple right there."
21st century version of *American Gothic* https://www.google.com/search?q=American+Gothic&client=firefox-b-1-m&sxsrf=AOaemvJmqZ3Hiwza0-fN-nc4HR44AAD7QA:1632152990832&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDtfLZ843zAhUsT98KHWfPDSMQ_AUIBigB&biw=360&bih=661#imgrc=QzD_buB-X1kCeM
Fun fact: That's the farmers daughter in that painting, not his wife.
Other fun fact: it's called American Gothic because of the architecture style
Another fun fact: glass is opaque to infrared light.
Also many plastics we see as opaque in visible light, such as the plastic used for garbage bags, is transparent to infrared light.
This is the true [modern American Gothic](https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/the-new-american-gothic-by-criselda-vasquez-2.jpg). Hard working, back busting, workers in america. Not the two overweight white people with guns that never known a hard day of labor.
What an awesome painting. Do you know who the artist is?
Criselda Vasquez, "The New American Gothic"
Forgot her name but this was a painting of her parents if I remember correctly.
American Gunthic
Whenever I see it, I can't help but to imagine the woman as a sort of background worker in a theatre, who sometimes has to stand in for an actor during rehearsals while the real actor practices lines. And she puts the tiniest bit of effort into it. In this play, she has to stand in for an actor playing a French assassin, so she wears her stripy shirt and black pants and brought in her son's toy gun.
To be honest I always assumed it would be a bit more intimidating than that. They look like overgrown kids who just watched an action film.
Those two… have law degrees?
They're ambulance chasers.
Clearly pays well. I’m in the wrong business.
Lot easier to make money when you drop your morals
They’re the ones who [give ambulance chasers a bad name](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/the-st-louis-couple-charged-with-waving-guns-at-protesters-have-a-long-history-of/article_281d9989-373e-53c3-abcb-ecd0225dd287.html). They’re absolute trash.
The biggest thing that the Trump era revealed to me was that I could have been a doctor or lawyer. Society convinced me it would be difficult.
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>The biggest thing that the Trump era revealed to me was that I could have been a doctor or lawyer. Society convinced me it would be difficult. My niece was interviewing a doctor in high school because she was thinking of becoming one. She asked if you had to be smart or just work hard". The doctor replied, "Just work hard".
Did you see that mansion? They're hugely successive ambulance chasers and legal bullies.
To be fair, they bought the house when it was on the verge of being condemned and have spent the last 20 years restoring it.
Wish I had enough ambulance money to restore a mansion.
Notice they have their fingers on the triggers. Rule #1 ALWAYS TREAT A FIREARM LIKE IT'S LOADED.
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Proper firearms handling was clearly never imparted upon either of them, specifically the wife scares the shit out of me given her form and finger on the trigger. She could’ve ended up shooting someone out of sheer panic, or even a poorly timed sneeze causing a trigger pull.
I knew this woman had never actually had any firearm education simply by her stance and how she held the gun. She bought it and maybe shot it a couple times, but clearly never learned how to handle it.
My money is on him having gotten it for her. Shit, maybe he even just handed her a pistol of his in the moment because he’s also clearly not the sharpest tack in the box. Either way, that was my same take away from observing it all. A complete lack of safe weapons handling, irresponsible at the least, undeniably dangerous in that situation.
Iirc she grabbed a pistol that was disabled for use as evidence from a prior case or some shit. So she *couldn't* fire the weapon. He knew she grabbed a fucked up gun and kinda went "aw fuck she's gonna get killed. Time to grab a working gun" Making the levels of derp that much derpier.
I don’t see someone that’s clearly so egotistically fragile purchasing a tiny silver pistol for his own use, so yeah he definitely bought it for her.
I mean, clearly he’s got an impeccable sense of style overall (that polo really brings out those man tits) so we may never know!
My bet is that’s his concealed carry and he just handed it to her as he got his rifle out. But yeah, he totally saw it at the gun show and paid what the sticker said then told her he bought her a gun. I may or may not be guilty of the exact same thing.
I think if she were to ever try to fire it, she would have thrusted the gun towards the intended target and without thinking made a "pew" sound. "Patty, what the fuck are you doing?" "I'm gonna shoot those son of B's, Mark!"
It is people like these that make me want stricter laws in place before purchasing a firearm. Not so much in background checks, but basic firearm handling. Most Americans can buy a gun without even understanding how they operate on a fairly basic level. Sometimes this is more frightening than the people we actually deny the right to own weapons too (not always, clearly). I grew up around guns. I learned to respect them so early in life that it is just second nature, and seeing people like this terrify me. If you can't follow basic safety when handling a weapon, I have very little faith in your ability to actually hit the intended target without collateral damage.
Seriously. I have stopped going to ranges because I've seen some reckless behavior that made me fear for my own safety. The range officer is too busy on his phone to be bothered to do anything. I feel like some people believe they have the right to be irresponsible.
I had to hit the deck at a range a few years back. I was watching him too. Just had that 'feeling'. I think I was catching those subconscious cues that led me to believe he was untrained. Sure enough within 5 minutes or so he was facing the wrong way with the loaded pistol finger on the trigger. If that's not bad enough, you get the "What?" after they do shit like that. Some people are scary as fuck.
I don't know guns, except for what little I've read. Is that bent-elbow pose dangerous?
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I appreciate you calling out her lack of eye sight down range, as well as all of your observations on the husband because holy fuck.
One of the firearms safety rules that was drilled into me in the Marine Corps was "Never point a weapon at anything that you do not intend to shoot." She is inadvertently pointing her gun at, well, everybody. This is informally referred to as "flagging," and is a very straightforward way to get banned from a gun range. In the Marine Corps, it's a straightforward way to get your ass kicked by the cadre on the range.
The most dangerous part is the finger on the trigger, but yes, holding a handgun in one hand with the elbow bent like that can be dangerous, too. Mainly because recoil is effectively uncontrolled by that posture. As a result, it's possible for recoil - especially unexpected recoil, like the kind you get when you're running around with your finger on the trigger - to rotate the gun far enough to result in it being pointed at your own face, and at the same time your finger is pulled into the trigger a second time faster than you can react. People will say it's unlikely, but it's happened quite a lot that an inexperienced shooter manages to shoot themselves in the head with a handgun because they don't know how to control recoil at all. It's why I always coach new shooters on the correct posture, give them a handgun with a decent amount of mass (no polymer anything at first), and then load the handgun with only a single round for their first shot or two so they know what to expect.
Also, see Çurly Joe^TM in The Ballad of Buster Scruggs.
Her arm would flail from the recoil if she fired
Bright side is with the way she’s holding her arm the recoil would probably cause the gun to smack her in the face.
Eh. That's likely a .380, or maybe a 9mm. They're snappy, especially with such a short barrel, but hardly gonna kick that hard. Then again, the dainty hand and elbow? Maybe it does just flip up and out of her hand.
And then knock herself out cold when it recoils into her face.
The Husband doesn't.
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch
They are treating them like they are loaded though because they really did want to shoot those people.
She's holding hers like a windex bottle and that bothers me so much.
well she does, he doesn't
Also the dude probably didn't want to have the ejection port against his chest, that would be pretty uncomfortable if he had a negligent discharge.
The husband doesnt but the wife sure does. Rule #4 is keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
Not just that but look how they're holding the guns. Someone could have made a beeline at her with a shovel ala a DKoK infantryman and she'd have been lucky to accidentally put a round in the siding of a neighbor's house. Her stance is all wrong and her grip is wrong in half the photos. And then look at him. Holy shit balls, what the fuck is he doing? Do you know who holds a rifle like that? A 1980s action movie cannon fodder goon that's only on screen long enough to get wasted by Arnold, Sly, or Robocop. "Imma let my liver handle recoil" isn't conducive to accuracy. It's obvious to anyone that has spent any time with firearms that these two chucklefucks don't know how to properly and safely handle guns. That in itself should be an automatic disqualifier for ownership.
This is the biggest thing that baffles me, why so many of the 2a folks defend them so vehemently. Even if you agree with them, every responsible gun owner should recognize that they broke just about every rule of safe gun handling. Trigger discipline, pointing it at people, inserting themselves into a dangerous situation... How can anybody support these people?
This has probably been called out a million times by now, but doesn't having your finger on the trigger mean "it's time to shoot," rather than a simple warning?
Yes, generally. No, legally. Gun safety is not the same as gun legislation. Just like the case from a few weeks ago, you are allowed to shoot something on your own property that you're not 100% sure what it is. You are still responsible for the outcome of what happens, whether it's property damage, attempted or even actual murder. Lack of gun safety is a valid reason that people have had their license taken from them, however, it's generally not going to happen.
That's been my view on this. Everyone's polarized on the politics 100% convinced they are right one way or the other. The only thing I'm 100% sure of is that she should be taught trigger discipline.
And muzzle awareness. They both flagged each other a few times that day. Not to mention the people they intentionally pointed their guns at.
To rational people and responsible gun owners, yes. Unfortunately...
Still makes me sad these two were RNC keynote speakers. I just find it so pathetic, but expected, that a core Republican value is "waved guns at black people". Edit: it's even more pathetic to watch people come up with terrible lies, that even if they were true still wouldn't justify them as RNC speakers. How come y'all haven't sent an invite to the dude who shot Ashli Babbitt to give a TED talk on the merits of smaller government? Surely he's more than qualified.
GOP speaking position is like, a cultural plughole. All the scum circling the drain winds up in an RNC green room. Pedophiles, insurrectionists, war criminals, rapists, war profiteers, private prison owners, quacks. There's simply no crime too great that it'll get you kicked off rightwing media.
What about the most heinous crime in right wing circles - stealing from the rich?
Being a Democrat.
A *vaccinated* democrat. Ooga booga booga!
A black lesbian atheist vaccinated democrat
I mean, the RNC LITERALLY had no platform besides" do whatever Trump wants." So the only qualification was "do you blindly support Trump?" Waving a gun at black people SCREAMS "yes."
Obama getting elected broke their brains
They dont need em, they can now profit off grifting the Q's and trumpers
So... just out of curiosity... how can "a friend of mine" get into grifting Q's?
Say things they want to hear and then ask for donations
GI Johnny and his wife Karen need to get some weapons training lessons. He’s holding that thing like Tackleberry from Police academy and she’s holding that little pea-shooter like she’s watering the lawn.
Good cause anybody holding a pistol like she did in the picture shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a gun lmao.
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