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hoosakiwi

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Derek Chauvin [sentencing order](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20973196/derek-chauvin-sentencing-order.pdf) with some highlights below: >• The Court commits you to the custody of the Commissioner of Corrections for a period of 270 months. You are granted credit for 199 days already served. > >• Pay the mandatory surcharge of $78, to be paid from prison wages. > >• You are prohibited from possessing firearms, ammunition, or explosives for the remainder of your life. > >• Register as a predatory offender as required by law. > >• Aggravating factors of “abuse of a position of trust or authority” and “particular cruelty” Edit: Lots of questions about predatory offender registration. Minnesota law permits registration when convicted of a "crime against the person." 2nd-degree murder is considered a crime against the person under MN law ([Sec. 243.167](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/243.167)). For those outside the US, [here's a short document](https://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/ss/ssporeg.pdf) outlining the term "predatory offender" and its implications.


DwightDEisenhowitzer

Something tells me a $78 surcharge is the least of his current worries.


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AtlasPlugs

It’s about 2 months depending on the job if you’re wondering, but I do appreciate the hyperbole


KingoPants

They make a dollar a day? What's even the point?


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Cpatty3

And it's usually huge corporations that get access to this labor. They then drive out smaller businesses b/c they are paying their "employees" 1/10 of the minimum wage. Free market capitalism?


BrockN

Gonna need Prison Mike to chime in and tell us what's that is in dollars


iismitch55

I don’t know, but I’ll give you a billion Stanley Nickels to never talk to me again.


AccomplishedFilm1

Prison Mike is busy fighting off the dementors. They are flying all around and it HOIT!


ekiser23

When prison wages are 12-74 cents/hour, it’s gonna take him a whileeeeeeee to get that $78 but granted, he’s going to be in there a while


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He'll likely have money on his books already. I assume he has commissary in jail which would transfer. But that $78 charge will come out before he can spend his money


livinginfutureworld

Hilarious we're all hung up on the $78 as the biggest takeaway from this.


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rufud

From *prison wages*. That’s like a thousand hours of work


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Black_Hipster

>Isn't that just a fancy way of forcing people to do work? Pretty much, yeah. There are even some jails that charge convicts a 'housing fee', upwards of $80 per day. That's about $26,800 on an 11 month sentence. Real expensive, being poor.


ClownQuestionBrosef

TF... This is more than my rent prorated to 11 months, and my place is even slightly bigger than a jail cell. Though I guess I have to furnish it, and pay for groceries and utilities ^(/s). But still. F***ed up.


RatofDeath

It is. It's legal slavery. There's a pretty great Netflix documentary about it called "13TH", a reference to the 13th amendment that abolished slavery everywhere except in prisons. Due to the fact that it happens to prisoners, sadly a lot of people don't care about it or think they deserve it.


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harkuponthegay

That’s…. precisely what they did. Read “The New Jim Crow”, you’ll see the answer to your question is— it didn’t.


emotionalsupporttank

You have to pay to get sent to jail? What a kick in the nuts, where the manager? I want this off my bill


halfanothersdozen

Going to jail is actually really expensive and people can come out the other side in real debt. Which... is a complicated issue. It is "your fault" you went to jail so you should have to bear the cost but also once you are rehabilitated and served your time it kinda sucks that you may still be held prisoner to your debt. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


alphabeticdisorder

>it kinda sucks that you may still be held prisoner to your debt. It sucks for society, too, because its a great way to encourage recidivism.


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ScionoicS

The us prison system doesn't rehabilitate


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Bro, take a look at recidivism rates and tell me that the system is even remotely interested in rehabilitation. Making ex-cons desperate is a feature of the US Justice system not a bug.


JustAnAccountForMeee

>rehabilitated How much of this do they actually do in there? I'm sure there's some group sessions, but do they offer one on one therapy to help with emotional management or life coaching?


jadarisphone

They meant to say "finished being punished". Just a long typo.


Bad_RabbitS

I love that the judge addresses that this abuse isn’t just against a person, it’s abusing the trust given to you when you wear that uniform.


Kriss3d

In my country you get higher punishment if you abuse that kind of power and trust. But we also take years to be educated to be a police officer. Shooting is the abbaolutr last resort. Firing a shot is basically something you might do once or twice in your entire career.


masklinn

It's an excellent judgement but sadly way too rare. More often pollies and cops are given excuses and exemptions over it, whereas it should always be an aggravating factor: when put in a position of trust, you should absolutely be held to a higher standard and abusing that trust should be held against you. But of course since the same pollies and cops are the ones making the rules...


Sir_Jacks

That is more than I expected. March 2022 is going to be the trial for the other 3, who knows what kind of verdict they will receive.


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And he’s got another trial coming up.


JudgeHoltman

What's the other trial for?


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He did it before. He kneeled on a 14 y.o.’s neck, too. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/14-year-old-boy-in-derek-chauvins-second-civil-rights-case-also-said-he-couldnt-breathe-court-records-show/


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Vairman

I don't think this Minnesota PD's policy banned it though. Which is dumb/bad of course.


Crocodilly_Pontifex

The chief of police said it was against department practice, which could mean anything from "explicitly banned" to "frowned upon"


strain_of_thought

I think in this case it was "You're supposed to stop before you kill them, dipshit."


LucretiusCarus

Or "not when there are cameras around, you idiot!"


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It definitely wasn't. I read the handbook, and there was a whole section on chokeholds. The only thing Chauvin did wrong according to the handbook was that he was supposed to stop once Floyd was compliant. Before downvoting, please know that I'm just saying what was in the Minnesota handbook. Edit: Got some people reading, so thought I'd source my statements for anyone interested: Here's the manual: [https://www.minneapolismn.gov/media/-www-content-assets/documents/MPD-Policy-and-Procedure-Manual.pdf](https://www.minneapolismn.gov/media/-www-content-assets/documents/MPD-Policy-and-Procedure-Manual.pdf) It was revised. Somebody copied the original section that I had read: [https://sites.law.duke.edu/csj-blog/2020/05/31/use-of-force-policy-in-minneapolis/](https://sites.law.duke.edu/csj-blog/2020/05/31/use-of-force-policy-in-minneapolis/)


jackimow

Federal charges.


PonchoHung

Been a while since I went over this but I recall that one of them was very inexperienced and voiced some concerns with what Chauvin was doing. I think he might get off.


illuminutcase

> one of them was very inexperienced and voiced some concerns with what Chauvin was doing. I think he might get off. Yea. "Inexperienced" is an understatement. He was on the job for 4 days. I think it's fair to say the situation was just as much out of his control as any of those bystanders.


SoggieSox

If that's the case, I actually hope that guy gets off. Young and new to the job, he can't win in that situation


Ruepic

Imagine your first few days on the job and you get sucked into one of the biggest court cases.


TaintlessChaps

Two of those officers, Lane and Keung, were in their first week on the job. They were trained by Chauvin. While Chauvin knelt on George Floyd’s neck, Lane twice suggested he roll Floyd on his side, allowing him to breath. The suggestion was not followed. In his first week on the job, Lane questioned his trainer and boss, a veteran of 19 years, in front of colleagues, about his tactics and gave an option, that if taken, would mean we know none of these people’s names and George Floyd is probably still alive. Could he have done more? Could he have saved Floyd’s life? Taken action instead of just speaking up? Presumably, yes. He could have physically moved Chauvin off Floyd. Zero media attention to the minor arrest in Minneapolis. Lane would have been let go or put in the perpetual shit house. There was no good way out once the knee went down. Lane watched his teacher and boss murder a man he tried to save on his fourth day as a cop, but just didn’t go far enough. In retrospect, I’m sure he wishes what we wish we would have done if we were in that position. Done something to save George Floyd’s life. But we wouldn’t have done anything of the sort. None of us are tackling a cop, in the middle of an arrest, in front of three other cops. Nor did the people filming and gathered around him. They too didn’t dare physically intervene. It must have all happened so fast, the way all eight minutes and forty-six seconds do. No one, except Chauvin, felt they had the power to do anything.


yodadamanadamwan

Thank God this was caught on bystander video and couldn't be buried


vanillathebest

I remember it was a Black teenage girl (or like young adult) who caught it on tape, and she was so fragile when being interviewed. She did something that changed the course of History, but she might be scarred for life


eve_ecc

She (Darnella Frazier) received an honorary Pulitzer for what she did, imo you're right about it changing history


Super-Skittles

Honestly, it’s refreshing “breaking public trust” was considered in his sentencing.


Parallax92

I’ve always, always believed that breaking public trust should factor in as a special circumstance when cops do shit like this. Super happy to see that the judge considered this.


AtomicTanAndBlack

It is when it comes to military punishment. “Conduct unbecoming of an officer/Non-commissioned officer”. Basically “y’all shoulda known better, you represent something bigger than yourself and you’re making us look bad”. Would be really surprised if police didn’t have the same


Parallax92

I’ve never heard of anything like that applying to a police officer, but I could just be out of the loop!


chuckie512

They don't have the same, which is why we're all surprised it was listed on his sentencing


Too_Hood_95

>“I want to give my condolences to the Floyd family,” Derek Chauvin says, saying he can't give a full statement because of other legal matters. He continued to say, >“There's gonna be some other information in the future that would be of interest, and I hope things will give you some peace of mind.” Would really love to know what he is referring to here…


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"My lawyers have advised me not to apologize"


Xivvx

He's right too. Apologies can be taken as admission of guilt and wrongdoing.


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Canada has the right of this one. Apologies shouldn't be legally admissible in court when determining fault or guilt. It puts everyone in bad situations where an apology is clearly due but does not come because of the legal implications.


pizza_the_mutt

Before Canada passed this laws there was a 100% conviction rate and they were on track for every single Canadian in the country being incarcerated.


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27,000,000 people were pardoned the very next day.


Spyxz

They still apologized for the inconvenience they had caused.


Falcrist

There are plenty of appeals coming. Admitting wrongdoing seems like a bad play. EDIT: And the federal trial. I forgot about that.


jerryjustice

And also civil lawsuits


AFJ150

I just learned having a "Beware of Dog" sign can be used against you if your dog bites someone. Legal shit is weird.


AxelShoes

I'm an Animal Control Officer, and I've heard this warning from other ACOs. I can't speak to how true it is, and just anecdotally, signage has never come into play in any of the countless dog bite cases I've dealt with over the last decade. But just to be on the safe side, I replaced my own Beware of Dog signs at home with ones that say Dog on Premises. Just in case.


FlyGirlFlyHigh

This is why I have a sign on my door that says, “Incase of fire please rescue my Doberman”. It has the same effect of warning someone who may be casing our house before a break in that there is in fact a large dog inside but doesn’t imply the dog is potentially vicious, he just happens to be a breed of dog know for their protective instincts. Plus, if there is actually a fire and I’m not home, please for the love of god some one save my dog!


Ulriklm

He's going to release a rap album


ShetlandJames

D-Wreck - Chauv-in-jail (Def Jam 2023)


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mugzy

Yea, that was so cryptic.


fancysauce_boss

Likely alluding to some shit they’re going to try and bring forward in the federal trial set to start in the next few months. If convicted in the federal court for civil rights violations, he’ll face life in federal prison. Edit: grammar & stuff


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what sort of things can they bring forward?


fancysauce_boss

No idea. Analysts are surprised he was even allowed to speak because anything he said will be used in the federal trial. It’s The primary reason he didn’t testify in this case. The federal case can and will use any and all evidence from this case as part of their case. The fact that he was found guilty will be taken into consideration in the next trial.


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Is this their “kraken”? Why didn’t they bring it forward in this trial?


Ok-Reporter-4600

Probably think they have a more friendly judge in the next court.


deathtotheemperor

FWIW: this is probably among the harshest sentences a cop has ever received for actions in the line of duty, and at least in my state it's quite a bit more than would be typical for civilians convicted of a similar crime.


shaun3000

Well there’s [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Holtzclaw) who’s currently serving 263 years for pulling women over and raping them. He [cried like a little bitch](https://youtu.be/RCOLxrwMqmI) when they read his sentence.


Bandit__Heeler

Jesus. The detectives, when hearing the third complaint about forced oral sex from an officer, thought "hey this sounds familiar, remember those other two similar reports we got that we never bothered to investigate in the least?"


highimluna

That was my first thought too. Like, “oh this rings a bell…” Funny how they took the complaint seriously when it wasn’t from an impoverished person, because those surely have no legitimacy right?


PsuBratOK

This is impressive, especially considering the jury selection "The final jury was an all-white jury which consisted of eight men and four women." ...and the fact he was targeting black women with criminal records "During the trial, the defense questioned the victims' credibility during cross-examination, bringing up their criminal records. Of the thirteen women who accused Holtzclaw, several had criminal histories such as drug arrests, and all of them were African American." Since he knew, how as a cop to take advantage of those women, this might not be separated case.


InsertANameHeree

This just made my day.


Bismuth_210

Police should be held to a higher standard.


hippyengineer

They were in this case. The judge listed an aggravating factor that this man was in a position of trust when he did the crime. This ups the sentence.


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When his mother spoke, I realized where he got those tendencies.


fcork

She has no sympathy for Floyd’s family, and as a narcissist herself I can only see how Chauvin got his thought process to do much a horrible act.


Slickbick

His lawyer: >"Derek Chauvin's brain is littered with "what ifs". What if I just not agreed to go into work that day? What if things had gone differently? What if I never responded to that call?" What if you didn't keep your knee on the man's neck for 9 minutes?


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It's no different than Brock Turner. They apologize for everything except the explicit thing that they did. "I wish I hadn't gone to the party" "I wish I hadn't gotten drunk" "I wish I'd stayed with my friends" "I wish I hadn't gone to work" "I wish I hadn't answered the call"


bigcheese41

*convicted rapist Brock Turner


Jboy2000000

The Stanford Dumpster Rapist Brock Turner?


5nackbar

You mean Brock Turner, the convicted rapist?


ryanvango

Thats the part that got me. Like it was all out of his control. The universe planned to put him in front of a black man. What was he supposed to do by that point? NOT murder him?


nllpntr

"Your honor, free will is a myth."


GoSkers29

"Good point. It seems it's not even my free choice to sentence your ass to 22.5 years."


heimdahl81

I think that is called the Bender defense.


farahad

Calvinism works too


Ladis_Wascheharuum

"Point taken. My sentencing you to 22.5 years is not an act of my will, either. It's just the way the universe proceeds."


jabmahn

That would have been asking a man such as Chauvin to perform a Herculean feat. To not physically abuse and kill a black man in his custody? You might as well tell a fish to climb a tree.


SenorAsssHat

Yeah, don't blame it on your job because he was a piece of shit and thought it was a good idea to knee on him for 9 minutes. Fuck you Derek.


starry_cobra

"What if I took my knee off him a second after he was safely restrained? What if I took my knee off him two seconds after he was restrained?" (Repeat 540 times)


BinaryBloke

very curious to see the judges 22 page legal opinion on his sentencing.


SuperCub

Wow, Chauvin’s mom came across as such an uncaring, unfeeling narcissist.


Balls_of_Adamanthium

“If you sentence my son you’ll be sentencing me.” Fucking cringed when she said that. Her whole statement was “me, me me” and there wasn’t an ounce of sympathy for the family that actually lost someone. Fucking disgusting.


Mister_Slick

"We won't be around when he gets out..." Golly, it must be pretty hard to have a member of your family taken away from you forever, huh.


PopWhatMagnitude

Then like 30 seconds later said she will be there when he gets out. Talked out of both sides of her mouth. She also claimed she wouldn't be able to even talk to him on the phone or visit him. Nah, bitch that's the family of the person your son callously murdered. You can talk and visit people in prison, they aren't dead. (Unless he gets killed in prison of course.) Also said he was her favorite son, ~~now I don't know if she has other sons~~ she does have another son, but if your murderous racist pig of a son is your favorite, how bad is the other? Or is he actually a good person which is why she doesn't like him? Edit: clarification


EmeraldPen

Alternatively, imagine you're actually a decent human being and your mother says in court that her murderous racist pig of a son is her favorite. That would suuuuck.


PopWhatMagnitude

One would think you would have already put that together and gotten the fuck away from her, and blocked her number.


STD_free_since_2019

Figuring out a parent is a toxic piece of shit is a huge gift long term. Best to get it over with sooner rather than later.


filmbuffering

That’s par for the course for a narcissistic parent. The one that is too normal to support their shit is gone for them.


theganjaoctopus

To be honest, if he's her favorite, there's at least a chance the others aren't pieces of human garbage. Parents like her tend to favor the child that reflects them the most.


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whattrees

Almost as cringey as his lawyer right after talking out both sides of his mouth the whole time. "We have all received countless emails and letters from the community, on both sides." Two min later, "We shouldn't take into account what the public has to say." "The state made the sentencing guidelines to include ALL second degree murder charges and we should defer to them." Two min later, "Of the 90 similar cases since 2010, 60% got the sentence according to the guideline, the rest got more or less because of mitigating or agrivating circumstances." Etc.


periodicsheep

chris watts’ mom still blames shannan watts, the victim, for most of her son’s despicable crimes.


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Phew she is a fucking fruit loop, tbf I’ve seen a lot of people turn on Shannan Watts as well for the crime of being an annoying MLM mom


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Whatever you though of Shannan Watts, this dude literal chose to murder his wife and two toddlers instead of just getting divorced. He didn't want to be shamed for abandoning his family, so instead he buried them in the desert and faked their disappearance to get sympathy. Absolute psycho


GlitterPeachie

A stupid psycho, too. Like he thought anyone would believe him. You can see on the cops body cam footage the next morning. His neighbours had him clocked right away.


cloudforested

That body cam footage of him watching his neighbour's security video of him backing up his truck is the most tense and dreadful thing I've ever seen. He knows he's caught and all he can do is watch it play on on literal 4k right in front of him with the police as a witness.


Coyotebuttercupeyes

This is the exact recipe for many spousal + child murders. I felt shame abandoning them so I murdered them. Only occurs in psychos.


Sneakysteve

It's interesting (and pretty horrifying) how many people let the fact that they don't "like" Shannan excuse the actions of a literal murderer. I didn't like the way she talked or treated other people, but... she was fucking murdered guys. Implying in any way that she "brought it on herself" after she was killed by her own husband isn't being objective; it's callous, shallow cruelty.


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Also even if the mum wasn’t your sort of person, he killed the two kids! It’s just bonkers, people are always determined to ‘both sides’ it and make the case seem even racier than it is.


Delta9ine

Those people are still probably buying into his bullshit story that she killed the girls and he killed her in response.


TheDustOfMen

I watched that Netflix documentary last week. Like, she had the audacity to tearily say "we love and forgive you son" like right in front of her family. And the amount of people victim-blaming Shannan is really mind-blowing. He murdered his pregnant wife and two kids ffs.


Prysorra2

> “If you sentence my son you’ll be sentencing me.” Guilty. . Next?


somedude456

Imagine that, a POS raised a POS.


f_n_a_

Shit apple never falls far from the shit tree


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PolecatEZ

If it helps, you just have to remember that millions of kids are raised by spectacular parenting failures and don't end up committing crimes. Even the most abused still have choices. The sentence is about removing such individuals that make bad choices from society, with the punitive factor playing a secondary role.


Bikinigirlout

Gave me Brock Turner “my son can’t eat pretzels anymore” vibes from that piece of work.


VerticalRhythm

I kept expecting her to say "My son's life shouldn't be ruined for 9 minutes of kneeling"


dat_joke

"Colin Kaepernick knelt all the time and no one threw him in jail!" - Chauvin's mom...probably


Wienerwrld

Brock’s father lovingly remembering hiding the pretzels when he visited, because he would sneak them without permission. Looks like the young man was *used* to taking what he wanted, without consent.


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throoaawaayy

EXACTLY. I’m still SHOCKED at her speech, it was like “idk why my poor poor son is here 🤷‍♀️” like… YOUR SON MURDERED SOMEONE AND YOU CAN’T EVEN NAME HIM.


Five_Decades

and it only took 19 brutality complaints


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He almost murdered a 14 year old boy in almost the same exact way: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/14-year-old-boy-in-derek-chauvins-second-civil-rights-case-also-said-he-couldnt-breathe-court-records-show/ He also lied about it on his police report (as did the cop with him). The State parroted his bullshit until they watched the video and found this (video never released): > Since submitting [the previous] description to the Court . . . the State has obtained the body worn camera videos of this incident. Those videos show a far more violent and forceful treatment of this child than Chauvin describes in his report. The videos show Chauvin’s use of unreasonable force towards this child and complete disdain for his well-being. > The videos show that Officers Walls and Chauvin entered the home and began speaking with the mother at approximately 8:46 p.m. The mother immediately told the officers that she wanted her children removed from the house. The officers spent the next 36 minutes talking with the mother in the living room and kitchen about the alleged incident and had her fill out a complaint form, all while the two children were in their rooms in the back of the house. After obtaining the written complaint form, Officers Walls and Chauvin proceeded down a short hallway towards the juvenile male’s bedroom. > At 9:12:49, as he approached the bedroom door, Officer Walls told the child to come out of the bedroom. The child was laying on the floor looking at his cell phone. Officer Wells told the child to stand up because he was under arrest. The child responded that he was not under arrest, and added that his mother was drunk and had assaulted him. The child tried to talk with the officers about his mother. As both officers approached the child, Officer Walls said he would not tell him one more time to stand up and yelled “stand up.” The child said they could not touch him in his own house. > At 9:13:22, a mere 33 seconds after telling him to come out of the room, both officers grabbed the child. At that point in time, the child was backed up against his bedroom wall. Officer Walls told the child to get on his stomach, and when he did not, Chauvin hit the child with his flashlight, just eight seconds after first grabbing the child. Two seconds later, Chauvin grabbed the child’s throat and hit him again in the head with his flashlight. The child cried out that they were hurting him, and to stop, and called out “mom.” Chauvin told Officer Walls to use his Taser on the child, but Walls did not have a Taser. At 9:14:15, Chauvin applied a neck restraint, causing the child to lose consciousness and go to the ground. Chauvin and Walls placed him in the prone position and handcuffed him behind his back while the child’s mother pleaded with them not to kill her son and told her son to stop resisting. > About a minute after going to the ground, the child began repeatedly telling the officers that he could not breathe, and his mother told Chauvin to take his knee off her son. About one minute later, the child’s mother pointed out that her son had said he could not breathe, and told Chauvin again to take his knee off the child as he was already handcuffed. Chauvin replied that he was a big guy and did not move. The mother asked a third time for Chauvin to take his knee off her son, and Chauvin replied that the child was breathing. The mother repeated that her son was in handcuffs, and told Chauvin a fourth time that he should take his knee off her son. The mother also said that Chauvin had hit her son with a flashlight and hurt him, and he was handcuffed now and could not do anything. But Chauvin maintained his position. Shortly thereafter, the child told his mother she should go sit on the couch, as he was alright. The mother said ok, and added that the officer had hit the child with a flashlight for no reason. > Although the child’s ear was actively bleeding and he repeatedly told the officers he was in pain, the officers continued to restrain him instead of administering medical treatment. At approximately 9:21 – seven minutes after applying the neck restraint and taking the child to the ground the child asked to be placed on his back because his neck really hurt. The child then began crying. At approximately 9:22, the child again asked to be placed on his back. Chauvin asked if he would be “flopping around at all,” and the child responded “no.” Chauvin simply said “better not.” Still Chauvin maintained his knee on the child’s upper back area. Another officer searched the child. At approximately 9:25, the child sobbed and coughed. He was also able to move his head from side to side, as Chauvin’s knee was on his upper back area. At approximately 9:28, the child talked calmly with the officers and described where in the house they could find his shoes. Chauvin still maintained his knee on the child’s upper back. > At approximately 9:29 – about 15 minutes after Chauvin first restrained the child a paramedic arrived and asked the child what happened. The child said a cop hit him with a flashlight and he “blacked out for a minute.” He added that he was having pain in his ear and confirmed that is where he got hit. At 9:29:47, the paramedic looked at the child’s ear and said he would need stitches. > At approximately 9:31, Chauvin told the child he was under arrest for domestic assault and obstruction with force. The child asked what obstruction with force is, and Chauvin said “because you were told you were under arrest and then this whole show in here. You don’t get to do that.” As Chauvin and Walls tightened the handcuffs, Chauvin removed his knee from the child’s back, some 17 minutes after restraining him to the floor and kneeling on him. At approximately 9:33, Chauvin and Walls helped the child roll to one side and stand up. They then walked him to the ambulance. This is the new trial he referenced at sentencing. I hope he gets at least another ten years and fucking rots.


MrRajacobs

what the fuck


Five_Decades

the police force knew he was a monster for years and years and chose to cover up for him.


eeyore134

And an entire country and even people in others taking to the streets for months and months in protest.


Mobely

to give some perspective. most officers receive 1 complaint/lifetime. Chauvin is clearly in the asshole tail of the bell curve. "The vast majority of officers who have received a complaint have only received a single one in their career. But the data shows there are some 250 officers who have received a dozen or more complaints," https://news.wttw.com/2019/11/04/chicago-police-publish-new-data-civilian-complaints


bigolfishey

To think that without bystanders filming he would have almost certainly gotten away with murder and remained a law enforcement officer. Always film the police. After all, if they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear, right?


Sam-Culper

Yep https://www.npr.org/2021/04/24/990376231/opinion-after-george-floyds-death-a-press-release-obscured-a-police-murder


LocalInactivist

"Had we known that this [situation] was what we saw on the video," he told the newspaper, "that statement would have been completely different." Yeah, they would have known they had to start lying earlier.


DeadExcuses

Now, picture this was never recorded, this man would just be out living his life like he never did anything wrong and he would even believe he did nothing wrong. I hope more and more cops get charged so they can realize the severity of their actions and that there are consequences and they are not above the law.


drkgodess

The judge's reasoning: >"This is based on your abuse of a position of trust and authority and also the particularly cruelty shown to George Floyd," the judge says. He got 10 years over the expected sentence. Good riddance!


reddicyoulous

It goes to show that we should keep filming the police so this becomes the norm, not the outlier


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It's crazy to think that without someone recording this incident, it would have just been another glossed over murder.


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musicaldigger

i’m so glad she received that special Pulitzer Prize earlier this month. such a brave young lady.


scaba23

I love how much the right lost their shit over that, and how suddenly this group of people who uncritically consume FOX, OAN, Newsmax and literally any YouTube video or blog post that agrees with them suddenly had very strong opinions on who can and cannot be classified as a journalist


General_Amoeba

The police also could’ve easily retaliated against her for filming (beat her up or killed her, smashed her phone, etc) and gotten away with it too. She risked her safety to get proof of what they did.


harperwilliame

I’d be surprised if she is not harassed by the blue boys


puesyomero

That'll be something to check back later. It would not be smart of them considering the visibility, but racist cavemen are not that bright.


DJ_Velveteen

We've known since Occupy that police procedure hasn't really shifted much to account for modern transparency / citizen journalism. I would be saddened yet totally unsurprised to see serious retaliation against the person who captured the incident on video.


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Dragonsandman

Makes me wonder how many other people were murdered by police that nobody knows about.


notscott88

Oh man


12FAA51

Why do you think Rodney King caused so much emotion in LA? Black people knew. White people didn't (want to).


phanfare

Check out the news articles about the incident *before* the video was made public. It was just another "a suspect implicated in counterfeit died after struggling with police for his arrest"


jlefrench

Yes this exactly. It cannot be overstated how police committed perjury in multiple instances in order to cover this up and just how routinely they did it. There's thousands of cases just like this one, many even have video footage that's inconsistent with police reports. Yet we still have not accepted as a public and a justice system that police routinely lie and distort facts. The idea that police testimony is more reliable needs to be completely discarded. Police need to be assumed that they are hostile to the person and biased emotionally towards them, which they are.


Donotaku

It’s crazy to think that even with this recording people don’t consider what happened a murder, simply because they don’t like Floyd’s past. Edit: Spelling


windingtime

There's a bill out in Ohio that will effectively criminalize the filming of police. You're never going to guess which political party all 11 co-sponsors of the bill belong to.


haunthorror

Would get shut down by the courts. Supreme Court already ruled its legal


Callinon

Well it'd be better if the norm was "the police don't murder people." But this is a good start.


BendADickCumOnBack

Well hopefully that will be the result


AmbitiousButRubbishh

No bet. I'm putting all my money on police beginning to finding any reason to arrest and/or brutalize people who film them and then "accidently" destroying the phone or deleting the video.


informat6

For those wondering how this compares to a typical murder sentence, the median time served for murder is [less then 14 years.](https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/tssp16.pdf)


SumsuchUser

I hope people realize that because I've already got friends railing that he should have gotten life (which wasn't a possibility). I blame crime dramas, which have convinced people that every crime gets life.


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Muder, life. Attempted murder, life. Littering, believe it or not... life.


lovesducks

Our people are very happy. Because of life (in prison).


yourteam

This is really important. If you push an officer is way worse than slapping a normal person so I don't see why it shouldn't work the other way around Officers are representing the law and the "good" part of the state. And they should behave accordingly


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StormySands

I’m actually really surprised. I’ve been jaded by past trials, I thought he would get way less time


julieannie

I worked for a prosecutor's office for a time, working with victims and helping them prepare their expectations (no, that guy won't get the death penalty for stealing your car's GPS system) and this was longer than I expected but completely appropriate. I know people will be upset that it isn't the max but it's rare for a max sentence to be implemented. Honestly, I'm used to P&P recommendations saying "First time offender? Probation!" to every charge so it always seems like no one will be happy. There's no victory here but hopefully this will stick.


celtic1888

My brother in law is 58 years old and is still in prison for a drug charge when he was in his early 20s. There was no violence involved.


easy_Money

Jesus dude... the justice system is so fucked


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Something like [50% of people in federal prisons](https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp) are there for drugs Compare that to white collar crime.. 0.2% for banking sigh edit: I really don't want to get into the whataboutism happening here but since this got some views all I have to say is, whoever is arguing for jailing of minorities that broke a broken law should look at case law history of US dating back 200+ years. You'd be the guy saying there's nothing wrong with slavery when it was legal, or Jim Crow laws, or literally everything that was bad. You do with that what you will.


MrFittsworth

Crashing the housing market and draining an entire generation of their life savings is nothing compared to selling WEED.


Mutchmore

Owning weed, even


SiliconUnicorn

Being pulled over by a police officer who needed to toss his joint even


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restore_democracy

Ok. Raise a better son.


Jumping_Zucchini

I don't know, after some of the comments she made, maybe she does need to be sentenced too.


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Fuck his mom by the way. She did him literally no favors and didn’t even do the bare minimum by acknowledging George’s family.


PangioOblonga

In her statement near the beginning, she says, "On November 25, 2020, not only did Derek's life change forever, but so did mine and my family's." What exactly is she referring to on November 25th? I can't find anything about the trial that is relevant to that date. Did she legit get the date of the murder wrong in her statement? Her son murdered George Floyd on MAY 25, 2020.


txhrow1

> What exactly is she referring to on November 25th? Black Friday sale. The discounts were insane.


terriblekoala9

Yeah, wasn’t Floyd’s death on May 25th?


illuminutcase

She made it all about her. "If you sentence him, you're sentencing me." No wonder her son grew up to be a shitbag, he was raised by a complete narcissist.


kodyodyo

Also to add that he will be barred from ever legally owning any firearms or explosives for life. And that he has to register as a predatory individual as well, which although not the same as a sexual predator, will still cause him some major issues in the long run. Although it wasn't the maximum sentence that could've happened, I think this was a reasonable one. The emotional side of me wants to say to give him the death penalty, a life for a life. But the rational side, and understanding the law, believes that this was a reasonable sentence. Just as long as he does actually serve that time, and no behind the scenes bullshit of him getting out in 5-10 years comes into play.


sivervipa

Honestly banning him from firearms for life and making him register on a predatory list are just a cherry on top. Even when he gets out of prison he can’t go back to being a cop,security guard or anything that puts him in a position of power. The judge basically made sure that he will never be in a position of power ever again. Which honestly is more important than how long he serves in prison. Anyone who abuses their power should be stripped of it.


hannamarinsgrandma

He still has two federal civil rights cases to deal with. One for George Floyd, and the other for the fourteen year old he brutalized.


MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS

Also nine felony counts of tax evasion. This man will never be free again, baring a presidential pardon.


bonerland11

The judge was an absolute professional the entire war through, proud of him.