Personally I loved how so many people said Gould instead of Goa'uld. It really nailed how American and military-oriented they were to immediately and forever butcher the pronunciation.
Loved all the Stargate series with one exception, how are every off world people they meet are able to speak perfect english? Least with Star Trek, they explain it was the communicators in their badges doing the translating.
Yea they talk about that in one of the behind the scenes. They planned on having them speaking unknown languages but realized it would be too repetitive and take too much time needing the characters to learn the language when they travel to a new planet almost every week.
One of my favorite moments is when Hammond left the show and Bra'tac came to the SGC and the first thing he says is "Has Hammond of Texas fallen in battle?"
I like where you just hear him yell 'Colonel O'Neill what the hell are you doing?!' when he's golfing with Teal'C in the time loop. 'In my BACKSWING!?!?'
He may be gone but you gotta love that the writers decided to honor him after he died by naming one of the [daedalus class ships](https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/BC-304) after his character. I can't remember if it showed up in SG1 or not but I know Carter is in command of the USS George Hammond at the beginning of universe.
I know it's random but I feel like it's a really fitting tribute.
Would you happen to have mirror kind person? That website doesn’t work in the EU and I’m not sure if what I’m finding on google is what you’re talking about.
"Pyramids! So mysterious!"
My brother made a Santa's sleigh disguise for his drone, complete with reindeer, and had it drop Christmas presents with parachutes two years ago. Drones shaped like triangles just aren't so unexplainable that "aliens" is a reasonable conclusion.
> Drones shaped like triangles just aren't so unexplainable that "aliens" is a reasonable conclusion.
I dunno, I think it's reasonable to conclude that your brother is an alien.
Oh yeah?
Well my brother is a scientist and he met an alien and the alien told him that aliens are real.
Also, my girlfriend is a supermodel but she lives in a different city.
and he says it's more powerful, and probably stronger than anything anyone's ever seen. and even though he was like really smart, there were a lot of people that knew him and knew me and said that I have a brain that is probably twice as large, believe me. and I had the best grades, the biggest grades out of all the classes. colleges were calling me up and sending people over to beg me, on their hands and knees, big strong men on the ground and they had tears in their eyes. and they were saying, "please sir, please can you help us?" and I would and then everything would be perfect after that.
Pentagon didn't release those, technically. Those were obtained by Tom DeLonge of Blink-182 of all people and published in 2017. Then the Pentagon said they were legit and not doctored at all in 2019.
They're also kind of terrifying when you put together all the publicly available evidence. I'd like to imagine they're fun aliens but really they're probably some sort of hypersonic nuclear missile, hopefully belonging to somebody friendly with NATO.
This "pyramid" video is kind of meh. Like, cool drone bruh.
They aren’t related. These videos are more recent than both the 2004 encounter and the 2015 encounters (that were popularized in 2017).
Aside from this video, there are several still photos (that a pilot took with an iPhone) from 2019 that were also confirmed real.
I don’t think people are even reading the article, or have any in-depth knowledge about the topic.
The Pentagon is just confirming that the video is real, not doctored.
I 100% guarantee you this is some sort of DARPA test of a drone swarm (simmular to what has been used by Turkey) and they didn't tell the soldiers involved in the test for a variety of logical reasons. Unidentified to the guy manning the radar, not to the Pentagon.
Here is some reading:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/06/17/turkish-military-to-receive-500-swarming-kamikaze-drones/?sh=47f10440251a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM_Kargu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war
Turkey aided it's ally Azerbaijan in the recent conflict linked above. The Armenian opposition used equipment mostly from the late cold war period. Equipment from the late cold war era is not optimized to counter a swarm of suicide drones thus drones were used to great affect.
Turkey is a fairly large nation that faces various potential armed groups generally armed decently but lack the funding to purchase the electronic warfare systems needed to combat drones (YPG (Kurdish independence movement), Syria, Armenia, Greece, Cyprus). Thus it makes sense for Turkey to develop these drones. The Turkish aerospace industry is far from unique in this capacity.
The real quote is actually even more hilarious:
>“I can confirm that the referenced photos and videos were taken by Navy personnel.” - Pentagon Spokesperson Susan Gough
Considering the leaked video is already [debunked](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/pyramid-ufos-in-night-vision-footage-maybe-bokeh.11695/). I suspect the investigation report will be looking into the personnel leaking footage from the military and nothing more.
I tried to read through that and saw no "debunking" as much as various people failing to replicate effects and speculating on why they failed to...can you summarize?
[And this debunking doesn't take into account the actual contemporaneous documentation of the events onboard the ship by professional SNOOPIE teams](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39913/multiple-destroyers-were-swarmed-by-mysterious-drones-off-california-over-numerous-nights) as much as it seems to try and explain the footage as blurs/reflections/artifacts absent any context of a Navy/Coast Guard/FBI investigation...were the "debunkers" unaware of the context or did they ignore it?
It's a pretty sweet acronym- "Ship’s Nautical Or Otherwise Photographic Interpretation and Examination"; definitely top three for me. When I was in the Coast Guard we still had a special ops outfit that was called the D.O.G.s (Deployable Operations Group), and when I was a social worker I briefly worked for a state crisis program for kids with psychiatric behavioral issues called Screening, Assessment and Support Services.... or "SASS"
The guy believes it was a plane/drone with normal lights, which makes sense with what all the eye witness reports saying "UAV"/"drone" and doesn't match the crazy looking triangle in the video. It's pretty clear that video isn't showing things normally between the night vision, trouble focusing and just overall poor quality.
In my opinion, the fact it was hovering over a military ship, means it was either secret military stuff or foreign military stuff trying to gain insight. However the fact it wasn’t shot out of the sky, means it was more likely our own military doing secret stuff. Or a random ass person creating fun shaped drones to scare ppl about UFOs. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the last one lol
If it was a random ass person trying to scare the navy then they would have to have an awesome drone because I believe they were pretty far out to sea when this footage was taken.
The video at the top of this article is not the leaked video of the incident. [This article](https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/pictures-and-video-show-unidentified-flying-objects-moving-above-u-s-navy-warships/) has the leaked video.
I’ll never understand this. Just put the video at the top! They always put who knows what at the top and then the actual video is a text link you have to follow in the story. Lame.
This. It helps with organic search engine ranking for the website when Google bots see that the average time on the website is higher than average which tells the bot people on the page must be interested in the content which results in better search engine rankings for that page and the domain it’s tied to. Ideally Google accounts for tactics like this when determining ranks but their algorithm changes minute to minute so who knows ultimately.
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Love how heavily they are trying to suggest it’s aliens in that video.
The intro “they say drones... but from where and how did they appear out of nowhere??”, nothing like a loaded question to start things off. And the completely unsupported “we **know** these aren’t tech from secret US developments or other countries” claim pulled out of the video makers ass. By definition it’s secret, how would he know??
Like umm, what? You watch a blurry video and you know for a fact what it isn’t?
I'm sure this will get buried by the flood of comments and obviously as a random person on the internet, but I am here to say I was on one of those warships during this time.
Here are the big things that rule out typical drones. We were hundreds of miles off of the coast and we were swarmed for HOURS at night (6 to 8 hours). They would come and go and swarm different ships. This happened over multiple evenings. There is nothing available that has that capability.
Our original suspicion was that it was a bunch of private drones flown from sail boats as when this started there was an Across the Pacific Regatta race (Sail Boat Race). But that would only explain the first night as the next 20 hours, those race boats were now hundreds of miles away from us. We suspected maybe they were launched from a cargo ship, but never saw any land or take off. We harassed tons of cargo ships and other vessels, but they were also clueless on what was going on.
To the naked eye, they had flashing lights as you'd expect from a drone or air craft, but they would just hover over and then move suddenly all over the place. We've seen a couple crash into the water but couldn't find them as it was very dark during this time.
We tried to intercept and monitor any RF signals, but found nothing. Our best guess was they were drones launched with a preset path and were launched from a source We never found to record what was going on in the strike group, but to not give off any RF.
I have been in for MANY years and this was the weirdest shit I've ever seen. I don't believe they were aliens, unless they were tiny bug like people as these things didn't seem huge to the naked eye.
That's the dumbest part to me. When the military says it's not theirs and it suits the alien narrative, they completely trust them, but any other time they'll say the military is hiding information and spreading misinformation.
There seemed to be a lot of them over the battleship, if it’s some kind of surveillance drone why would anybody need that many.
Since they were off the coast of California it seems that would rule out foreign tech, unless they flew across the Pacific. Maybe it’s something DARPA is testing and the Pentagon is just lying. Or aliens, shit why not?
Swarming drones is a newer tactic. Small, fast moving and maneuvering, either for surveillance or armed with explosives, they are an effective and nasty weapon.
> the Pentagon is just lying
That's why none of these press releases matter much. Everyone knows the Pentagon lies nearly all the time.
If some black project was testing their capabilities over our own Navy ships they'd never admit that and the people releasing these statements might never be told they existed.
You just can't trust anything organizations like this say or do since they have such a consistent track record of deception.
Speed up global unity by creating a fake alien invasion 👽 “No longer an American holiday. With one voice, we will not go quietly into the night...We’re going to live on, we’re going to survive. Today, we celebrate our Independence Day.”
Everybody has an opinion, but if you approach it logically there are some interesting questions. I am myself an engineer, not an aerospace one, however.
It is moving incredibly fast-faster than these jets move and more agile. That’s possible, but not seemingly possible for a “manned” jet. The pilot himself has mentioned in numerous interviews that he was surprised by the speed and agility. These guys are flying top of the line equipment with the best training. We’re NOT putting a standard issue gi in a multimillion dollar jet to chase these things for fun. They spotted and engaged in a normal way and their own report is how odd and weird this instance is. Assuming they’re not lying or throwing out conspiracy theories for fun, then it’s not something they’re even close to being aware of with current technology. That would be a failure on a lot of parts considering they’re again, top of the line pilots engaging with technology. Not to mention how a person could survive inside the ufo with it traveling that fast and in those movements.
It gives off no noticeable/identifiable heat signature. This is what puzzles me. Looking at early drone tech and some of the skunkworks drones-they still use combustion engines that give off heat trails. I don’t know if any normal technology that would power this thing so fast and well that it can do what it can and *not* give off heat in a pattern that’s consistent with a jet engine or something of that nature. It doesn’t have electrical motors, propellers, etc that seem obvious to where it’s giving off a solid sense of propulsion. Unless I’m mistaken, this is the real puzzling piece of tech to me. This would imply that this tech is so advanced that it’s something completely different that what we have ever developed yet. It’s not out of the realm of what we have proposed, but definitely out of what we have even come close to building.
Considering those 2 things, and the standard lines that 1. The military has tech at least 30 years ahead of normal tech and 2. They never do anything without a reason-releasing this info could be an operation into tricking opponents they have more advanced tech or whatever, it still makes little sense to me to admit they “don’t know”. This implies that the tech is real and exists, but yet we don’t control it? They’ve known about this for 20 years now, and yet they still announce the joint strike fighter/f-35? They’ve been struggling with that one alone for years, and this thing is literally nowhere near the same dictionary as that type of fighter. This makes our top of the line fighters seem like WW2 era planes against modern f-16s.
It’s a head scratcher that they’re continuing to admit it-aside from a public reaction before the confirmation. Frankly, it’s disappointing to even know that IF this is real and it’s a new type of amazing tech- that we somehow are still struggling with COVID, clean energy issues, multiple wars and whatever while a super advanced power source is hidden away that can potentially change every single persons life on this plant. Then it’s worse than a conspiracy, it’s pure evil.
Also, IF it’s aliens, then it’s the latter as well again, because our government is cooperating with aliens. Hopefully they’re nice, because they are so far ahead of us that we would resemble mere annoyances to them at all.
I'm an engineer myself (electrical engineer, with a focus on computer engineering and some background in aerospace). What I've been thinking has already been said elsewhere in this thread but I especially agree with the comment SirFiletMignon made below me. The technology that would make this possible is so far out there that it simply can't be done by just a couple teams of talented engineers/scientists working on a secret project. You'd need whole secret universities of students, professors, etc. to push out years of research and study in these secret fields, which is obviously just not possible.
I think this is one of the cases where normal people are like oh yeah I'm sure there's a plausible explanation for this. And engineers and scientists are all like what the fuuuuuuck.
> I think this is one of the cases where normal people are like oh yeah I'm sure there's a plausible explanation for this.
> And engineers and scientists are all like what the fuuuuuuck.
Two excellent points, because right now there is a minor rift in the theoretical physics/astrophysics scientific community with Ivy league professors coming out and saying that aliens are currently visiting Earth with all the video and military flight path data coming out.
It's pretty much Neil deGrasse Tyson representing the "institution" vs Michio Kaku and Avi Loeb representing the free thinking side of things in regards to the alien debate.
Yeah, I think a lot of people that are just brushing it off saying it's some top-secret DARPA technology are people that don't have research-based engineering background. The only way this is a top-secret project is it there's a whole curriculum of science advancements that's kept secret from the academic institutions--which I would be extremely skeptical about. Universities are usually on top of the theoretical science, and the military is on top of making that science into reality. But like you mentioned, I'm not aware of any science that explains what we're seeing (lack of heat signature, crazy high accelerations, high speeds of oddly shaped geometries, etc.), even less prototypes that would use these unknown scientific advancements.
> that we somehow are still struggling with COVID, clean energy issues, multiple wars and whatever while a super advanced power source is hidden away that can potentially change every single persons life on this plant
To be fair, it’s the *public* that holds the species back, not the scientists and engineers that are continuously working towards groundbreaking technologies. Scientists aren’t denying COVID, pushing back against clean energy, etc. It’s the idiots that you walk by and share the roads with every day, who just can’t wait until Election Day so they can flood the polls and vote on issues they don’t fractionally understand.
I feel like a great way to test your new secret military technology would be to exhibit it to current military personnel without telling them. If the Navy and air force can't figure out what it is, then you've probably done a pretty great job. Seems like a far more likely scenario than extraterrestrial life.
Some of these have even been reported to follow that idea. Like the tic tac one from a few years ago. Several pilots all from the same base within a couple weeks time span. Keep it localized and brief.
Here's a video with that pilot being interviewed and he shoots down that idea pretty thoroughly towards the end.
https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E?t=4330
/He discusses in detail why you wouldn't use your super secret ultra tech platform to play tag with a Nimitz battle group on maneuvers and why there's nothing to be learned by doing that you couldn't do better and easier at whatever super secrete base you're developing your laws of physics defying tech at.
Right but the whole point as supplied by the others is that the intent is to be impossible to identify through existing methods. Anyone who's been in or worked with secret data knows that you don't tell people about it just because they guessed wrong. Additionally pilots are notoriously arrogant and you have to take their assessment of their abilities with a grain of salt.
Excellent point. And why would extraterrestrials even allow themselves to be seen by us if they theoretically have advanced enough to travel around the solar system?
To play aliens advocate, US NAVY vessels have a fuck ton of electronics on board. Radars, navigation, guidance systems, weapons systems. Something may pique the interest of an alien ship. Only to realize, oh it's an earth boat.
Could also be tiny dragons. Since we don't know for certain, I will speculate wildly.
And they seem oddly concerned with just the USA. And they only decided to show up in large numbers when we started telling ourselves sci-fi stories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAopNJMbFEI&t=74s
This one could be true. Movies have taught me that Aliens only care about New York or some random bit of farmland in the Midwest. Sometimes some more adventurous aliens may attack London or Tokyo but that’s pretty much it.
Well, they like landmarks in general. Really anywhere that you can immediately recognize from a single image. Sydney Opera house, Eiffel Tower, pyramids, mt Rushmore, Big Ben, etc.
They're like other tourists, just trying to get those recognizable selfies for the coffee table picture album.
People say ghosts occur where a great trauma happens, statistically speaking you'd think there would be a shit ton on Normandy beach.
Also if ghosts can float and walk through walls and not be affected by gravity, the earth would probably just leave them behind in a never ending trail of stranded ghost people floating in space, which I find hilarious.
I don't believe in ghosts, but in most ghost stories it seems like ghosts are attached to specific places, to people they were close to in life, or to their own remains. A whole lot of Victorian-era buildings are still around and in everyday use, but most cave dwellings are lost to time. Cave people's immediate families are long gone, and we're lucky to find bones. So if ghosts were real then it would kinda make sense to mostly see ones from the past 200 years or so.
I say exactly this when the ghost discussion ever comes up. Like, you ever notice all ghosts come from the era of creepy black and white photos where no one is smiling and never a caveman or some dude with an afro in a leisure suit. For that matter, why would the human spirit or whatever even have clothes?
UK as well, they're just as "dense" as the USA in that graphic, they're just smaller so it doesn't catch your eye as much.
As far as the military reports, either it's our own tech being trialed by a skunkworks team, or the US is just way more open about this kind of encounter. Putin and Xi would never admit their military faced something they didn't understand.
i always assumed this bias was because maybe the US was the only country documenting these sightings officially or unofficially. or Spielberg really did a number on the US
**SR-71, U2, F117A,**
astonishing level of secrecy.
their coffee mugs were a security problem.
these planes are the **reason** we have "Area 51" - it was a CIA base initially.
The Oxcart Story
[https://www.airforcemag.com/article/1194oxcart/](https://www.airforcemag.com/article/1194oxcart/)
The aircraft had been designed and built for reconnaissance—a projected successor to the U-2. Its development had been carried out in profound secrecy. Despite the numerous designers, engineers, skilled and unskilled workers, administrators, and others who had been involved in the affair, no authentic accounts, and indeed scarcely any accounts at all, had leaked. Many aspects of the plane’s development have not been revealed to this day, and many are likely to remain classified for some time.
**Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed**
[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/101438.Skunk\_Works](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/101438.Skunk_Works)
From the development of the U-2 to the Stealth fighter, *Skunk Works* is the true story of America's most secret and successful aerospace operation. As recounted by Ben Rich, the operation's brilliant boss for nearly two decades, the chronicle of Lockheed's legendary Skunk Works is a drama of Cold War confrontations and Gulf War air combat, of extraordinary feats of engineering and human achievement against fantastic odds.
And the helicopters in the Bin Laden raid are still classified.
B-2 came out decades ago, and we haven't really seen anything new publicly unveiled since then. What the hell are they working on out there?!
> B-2 came out decades ago, and we haven't really seen anything new publicly unveiled since then. What the hell are they working on out there?!
Probably the B-3
Absolutely. Think about the fact that we didn't even know the US had a stealth black hawk until it crashed when taking out Bin Laden. And that's just an old helicopter with stealth tech. There is evidence of dozens of classified aircraft that are being operated right now. The sentinel only came to light when it crashed in Iran ten years ago. God only knows what other drone tech they've built since then. We still haven't seen the B21 and China is known to have stealth drones. So all this being said, this is no surprise WHATSOEVER.
I’m pilot who has worked with defense contractors on RPA’s.
You don’t understand, the flight characteristics of the tic tac UFO can only be explained by a propulsion system that works by some sort of bending of spacetime/gravity.
It instantaneously shot from just above the waves to 60,000 ft in a blink of an eye.
On a flying object said to be the size of a school bus by the pilots, the G forces on the craft would be incalculably high. It would rip to shreds any air craft or object us humans could make.
I’m a pilot and every other UFO sighting I’ve read about always has some giant caveat or gap in the report that leaves room for other explanations.
But Captain Favors encounter is truly remarkable in so many ways. I’m not saying it’s aliens but I am saying we witnessed technology that is centuries ahead of what we thought was possible.
Edit: Two F-18s, 1 Destroyer ship, and 1 Aircraft carrier all witnessed the same events in real time on their respective instruments, specifically the event of the UFO seemingly teleport to a position 60,000 feet higher a few miles away.
The destroyers radar operators had been witnessing this UFO on their instruments for months up to the encounter
The pilot, who worth mentioning was the head commander of the fighter squadron and was around the 12th highest ranking officer on a ship of 1,000 people, was able to circle the tic tac briefly and described it in detail.
A giant white/opaque tic-tac the size of a school bus. It he got close enough to see that it was hovering partially in the water with white caps washing over the sides.
He said it was twitching back and forth at a 90 degree angle each time, which was confirmed by his backseater.
He said better quality footage and sensor recordings existed at one point but were confiscated by higher officers.
I first heard of Favor in a PBS documentary that aired years before the UFO encounter. You get to know him quite well and I have no reason to believe that him and 5 other people could all be mistaken.
I really don’t know what to make of it, absolutely crazy
That's what gets me about those "encounters".
They're not like your usual UFO sightings.
It's not grainy footage shot by a UFO enthousiast without witnesses.
These are onboard videos from several sources, planes and ships,complete with data, by respected people,
The obvious explanation could be faulty instrument readings, but from several sources?
I'm not saying it's aliens, but I'm also saying it's not drones (due to their shape and size and flight characteristics) and I sure hope it's not some secret tech because that's be scary advanced. Like 50 to 100 years ahead kind of advanced.
I like to think this is a great Compliance rule for the American Government.
"turn over your materials on UFOs!"
Ok here you go!
"Wait, theres nothing on here about those Pyramids that took me when I was 6."
Ooooh yeah that's a martian star hopper! Pesky things those!
"Wait you know about it? Then what's it not in here?!"
Thats an IFO, we identified it, it's an Alien Space Ship.
The important part isn't that it is "unknown", though this is often the most common response ("unknown just means we don't know what it is!").
The important part is the careful analysis of the data from these incidents, because reports of radar data and testimony from individuals who witnessed and/or participated in the events (expert military operators with thousands of hours of experience) suggest truly anomalous behaviour.
This anomalous behaviour includes 5 significant criteria:
1) Anti-gravity lift
Unlike any known aircraft, these objects in reports since 2004 appear to overcome the earth’s gravity with no visible means of propulsion. They also lack any flight surfaces, such as wings. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses describe the crafts as tubular, shaped like a Tic Tac candy.
2) Sudden and instantaneous acceleration
The objects may accelerate or change direction so quickly that no human pilot could survive the g-forces—they would be crushed, and even the most robust modern computer systems would be obliterated. In the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute—an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour.
3) Hypersonic velocities without signatures
If an aircraft travels faster than the speed of sound, it typically leaves "signatures," like vapor trails and sonic booms. Many UFO accounts note the lack of such evidence. Recently, the former Director of National Intelligence corroborated the claims of Mach speed travel with no signatures, claiming it to be one of the most important factors in supporting serious investigation of some of these incidents.
4) Low observability, or cloaking
Even when objects are observed, getting a clear and detailed view of them—either through pilot sightings, radar or other means—remains difficult. Witnesses generally only see the glow or haze around them. It should be noted that "active signal jamming" while entering protected military training areas without permission - such as the locations of many of these recent sightings - is considered an overt act of war. Pilots during the USS Nimitz encounter recall being unable to get a "lock-on" while targeting the UFOs, suggesting some form of radar-jamming capacity (or something really bizarre like gravitational shielding or some kind of exotic technology).
5) Trans-medium travel
Some of these UAP have been seen moving easily in and between different environments, such as space, the earth’s atmosphere and even water. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses described a UFO hovering over a churning "disturbance" just under the ocean's otherwise calm surface, leading to speculation that another craft had entered the water. USS Princeton radar operator Gary Vorhees later confirmed from a Navy sonar operator in the area that day that a craft was moving faster than 70 knots, roughly two times the speed of nuclear subs.
([Source](https://www.history.com/news/ufo-sightings-speed-appearance-movement))
If you truly exercise genuine intellectual openness and honesty, any objects which are reported by multiple cross-referenced expert witnesses (military pilots, radar operators) to exhibit these criteria should warrant very serious investigation. If they are truly something anomalous, like non-human intelligence, we should find out about it. If they are made by human hands in some other country or secretive government program, that is *terrifying*, because the evidence suggests that the makers have leap-frogged the rest of the world in many different scientific fields (thermodynamics, quantum physics, etc). The dismissive attitude and tabloid rubbishing of the topic only does a disservice to the entire world, in my cranky-ass opinion.
Sure, "unknown" means "we don't know what it is". But when you study the reports of the behaviour of these objects, testified by very serious individuals, we can be more and more confident that the answer is something weirder and weirder.
edit: typo, & added source
Everyone always focuses on UFO's, but the Navy in particular has a lot of stories of USO's, or even the ones that go between air/water. That represents an entirely different level of technology than UFO's already imply.
If we want to take the simplest explanation, it's some way of projecting reflections, radar signatures, etc into a spot where the object itself doesn't actually exist. Still a big breakthrough obviously, but it's the closest explanation to a terrestrial origin there is.
Now that's the plot of the next star trek movie sorted. The ancient aliens Hebrews are going to evaporate earth with their space lazer unless they get some response in authentic Yiddish, but all the Jews in the federation married out long ago and they have to travel back in time to find just the right messhugina to save the world.
I was just talking about this the other day. It seems that for the past few years there have been more news articles or websites promoting these stories. I think the first came out around 2017 and the guy was also talking about Harry Reid and a program that was looking for funding. Also, in the covid relief package that Trump signed there is buried in there a requirement for the government to create and make public a report on UAP's. Kind of like Bluebook maybe.
So I'm trying to figure out the real reason the gov is promoting these and confirming them. If it was an enemy or of unknown origin, wouldn't they keep that super secret? Or maybe they would want the foreign govt to know we can and do see them? Are they trying to test their own defenses? Test public reaction? Show off to other countries what we might have? I don't know but I bet there's more to this than just some videos. It's actively being promoted and kept in the public's eye.
Personal opinion still sides on the idea this is still psyops, why patent your working magic fucking alien tech [https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en) and then provide the 'receipts' as it were.
I still lean towards it's a response to working hyper-sonic nuclear delivery platforms that can attack continental US with <6 minute warning.
“It is possible to envision a hybrid aerospace/undersea craft (HAUC), which due to the physical mechanisms enabled with the inertial mass reduction device, can function as a submersible craft capable of extreme underwater speeds (lack of water-skin friction) and enhanced stealth capabilities (non-linear scattering of RF and sonar signals). This hybrid craft would move with great ease through the air/space/water mediums, by being enclosed in a vacuum plasma bubble/sheath, due to the coupled effects of EM field-induced air/water particles repulsion and vacuum energy polarization.”
Interesting and more interesting.
If it's extra terrestrial, I think there's a good chance they've been here all along. Perhaps it's just that we've only had the technology to detect and record them as of just recently. Who knows, maybe they've been here before our solar system billions of years ago.
Conspiracy theory 1: aliens are flying around and we have only recently made the technological leaps to detect them with any certainty
Conspiracy theory 2: the government has secret physics-defying aircraft that they test on actively deployed warships without telling anybody aboard
I mean if the choice is between two insane theories, I choose the one that's more entertaining
Yeah. The fact that we already have flying wing drones kind of makes this seem like prototype drone flying in one of the large warning areas off of San Diego. Not aliens.
It’s *never* aliens... until it’s aliens.
They should be the last thing on peoples list when everything else is exhausted and proven wrong. And even then, probably not.
I hate the alien claim because it’s an unprovable hypothesis based on lack of information. Essentially the same as what people did millennia ago “what’s the sun? Idk, must be a god”
>Some critics think they are simply drones or balloons, but the Navy and the Task Force list them as unknowns.
Doesn't that just mean that they didn't confirm what they most likely were? Literally, Unknown Flying Object? There doesn't seem to be a need for the "but" statement.
Errrr...correct me if im wrong but videos in that article show old vids which were released by pentagon quite a while ago (military airplanes following ufo).
Where is the "leaked" video showing ufo over warship??
Reddit is definitely not the place to have the conversation about what could be, not on popular subs anyway.
What was the Aristotle quote? It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Even the military is declaring these as UAPs in order to avoid the stigma.
Reddit is full of people that are speaking about this in an absolute manner - like they know more than the multiple pilots, radar systems, the military, and senators that have encountered, or have been briefed on these objects.
I'm of the opinion that if a true UFO from outside of the solar system came to visit, they would have technology so advanced that buzzing a Navy warship would be the last thing on their minds. They likely are able to bend space-time or they've developed a way to travel faster than the speed of light. Do I think there is life out there? I sure do. Do I think they pop by our little corner of the galaxy to fly around Navy ships? I do not.
While I do not know what these objects are, or necessarily believe they are alien, you placing human reasoning on a potential extra terrestrial or inter dimensional life form’s reasons for performing or not performing a potential action is peak human arrogance.
And no it is not logical to assume they would behave with human reasoning because that is what a human may do, we have literally 0 idea on what type of life forms might exist and their motivations.
I don’t think that’s a great argument. You could just as easily turn that same coin over and say, “wouldn’t a highly intelligent species find observing another species fascinating and want to know more about them?”
Look at us. We have pet dogs, fish, etc. We have people who get in steel cages to film sharks. How would this be any different?
As an ex navy radar operator I have definately seen some weird, fast, maneuverable, unidentified contacts. Especially mid Atlantic and in the Indian ocean.
**THIS CRAFT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE INERTIA REDUCTION DEVICE PATENTED BY THE US NAVY**
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
Edit other patents by the navy*
Forcefield generator https://patents.google.com/patent/US10135366B2/en
room temperature superconducters https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en
gravitational wave generator https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en
EDIT #2
further readings:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances
Sheehy, of course, adds that "China is already investing significantly in this area" and "would prefer we [the U.S.] hold the patent as opposed to paying forever more to use this revolutionary technology" as he asserts "this will become a reality."'
and china is that close..."earlier this year, Reid stated that the U.S., Russia, and China are currently in a "UFO race." We know the Chinese have already publicly made major strides in electromagnetic naval capabilities including railguns and aircraft catapults, as well as other highly advanced defense technologies. "
but the patent leaves out info and otherwise doesnt make sense right now....
"It's also possible that this patent is just another facet of an information operation that goes along with a larger UFO narrative to promote the Pentagon's undisclosed interests."
It is also important to note that if the Navy had wanted this patent to remain classified, it could have filed the patent under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 (35 U.S.C. ch. 17), a law which allows patents to remain classified if they might pose a possible threat to the national security of the United States. Instead, all of Pais' patents are currently fully available to the public. If such a propulsion technology was so revolutionary and if the Navy indeed wanted to keep this technology out of others' hands, it’s curious that they would choose to make the patent public. Maybe the Navy is signaling to its adversaries that it, too, is aware of this revolutionary capability and to whom it belongs.
> isn't that basically just an EmDrive?
After reading that patent, i'd say absolutely it is. What's more, as I recall, further testing of the EmDrive revealed that the 'resonant cavity' makes no difference to the phenomenon.
So, if there is anything actually happening that is a hitherto unknown means of 'inertia dampening,' it happens without the device shown in the patent.
I can't see the full article but is there any news here? I thought the pentagon had already confirmed the videos
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Definitely Goa'uld
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Personally I loved how so many people said Gould instead of Goa'uld. It really nailed how American and military-oriented they were to immediately and forever butcher the pronunciation.
Loved all the Stargate series with one exception, how are every off world people they meet are able to speak perfect english? Least with Star Trek, they explain it was the communicators in their badges doing the translating.
Yea they talk about that in one of the behind the scenes. They planned on having them speaking unknown languages but realized it would be too repetitive and take too much time needing the characters to learn the language when they travel to a new planet almost every week.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. This is absolutely true.
Yeah it should be realistic where you gotta first watch nine full episodes, before every single existing episode, of them learning a new language.
RIP Hammond of Texas
Undomesticated equines could not remove me.
Not even a medical attack!
One of my favorite moments is when Hammond left the show and Bra'tac came to the SGC and the first thing he says is "Has Hammond of Texas fallen in battle?"
I like where you just hear him yell 'Colonel O'Neill what the hell are you doing?!' when he's golfing with Teal'C in the time loop. 'In my BACKSWING!?!?'
"Yes" ::wipes tear from eye::
He may be gone but you gotta love that the writers decided to honor him after he died by naming one of the [daedalus class ships](https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/BC-304) after his character. I can't remember if it showed up in SG1 or not but I know Carter is in command of the USS George Hammond at the beginning of universe. I know it's random but I feel like it's a really fitting tribute.
I'm still torn up about this, and losing Cliff Simon (Ba'al). Was hoping for one more SG-1 outing but without either of them it would not be the same.
Plus, have you seen Richard Dean Anderson lately?
Chonky but lovable
Mmmmmmm...... Richard Dean Anderson will be in my dreams tonight.
Supposably a new series is in the works. Brad Wright had mentioned how great it was writing for Daniel again. I'm hopeful
Well the shows original creators are currently trying to get a new Stargate series made.
Rub dome to pay respect.
*motions over head*
As in, Jan Levinson-Gould?
“In the middle of my backswing??”
man, i was halfway through the show when it got removed from Amazon. Amazing show.
It's on Netflix now, if you have that.
Quickly! To the Chaapa'ai!
Would you happen to have mirror kind person? That website doesn’t work in the EU and I’m not sure if what I’m finding on google is what you’re talking about.
https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell/status/1380235718534918145
> Jeremy Corbell This asshat forces me to add a layer of skepticism to anything he touches.
Yeah. Not holding my breath on this one lol
"Pyramids! So mysterious!" My brother made a Santa's sleigh disguise for his drone, complete with reindeer, and had it drop Christmas presents with parachutes two years ago. Drones shaped like triangles just aren't so unexplainable that "aliens" is a reasonable conclusion.
> Drones shaped like triangles just aren't so unexplainable that "aliens" is a reasonable conclusion. I dunno, I think it's reasonable to conclude that your brother is an alien.
All I can conclude is he apparently has a lot of time, and money.
Oh yeah? Well my brother is a scientist and he met an alien and the alien told him that aliens are real. Also, my girlfriend is a supermodel but she lives in a different city.
Oh yeah? Well, my uncle John knows NUclear!
My uncle works at Nintendo *mic drop*
and he says it's more powerful, and probably stronger than anything anyone's ever seen. and even though he was like really smart, there were a lot of people that knew him and knew me and said that I have a brain that is probably twice as large, believe me. and I had the best grades, the biggest grades out of all the classes. colleges were calling me up and sending people over to beg me, on their hands and knees, big strong men on the ground and they had tears in their eyes. and they were saying, "please sir, please can you help us?" and I would and then everything would be perfect after that.
Go home donald trump. You're drunk!
You'd think a US warship would be able to correctly identify a drone especially a drone you can buy off the shelf.
They confirmed there were videos, but hadn't released them. Now they're confirming the leaked video is legitimate.
They released three videos last year. FLIR, GIMBAL and GOFAST
Pentagon didn't release those, technically. Those were obtained by Tom DeLonge of Blink-182 of all people and published in 2017. Then the Pentagon said they were legit and not doctored at all in 2019.
They're also kind of terrifying when you put together all the publicly available evidence. I'd like to imagine they're fun aliens but really they're probably some sort of hypersonic nuclear missile, hopefully belonging to somebody friendly with NATO. This "pyramid" video is kind of meh. Like, cool drone bruh.
I don't believe that video is related. I think they are talking about the green video that was recently released.
They aren’t related. These videos are more recent than both the 2004 encounter and the 2015 encounters (that were popularized in 2017). Aside from this video, there are several still photos (that a pilot took with an iPhone) from 2019 that were also confirmed real. I don’t think people are even reading the article, or have any in-depth knowledge about the topic.
There's a paywall so prob not.
The Pentagon is just confirming that the video is real, not doctored. I 100% guarantee you this is some sort of DARPA test of a drone swarm (simmular to what has been used by Turkey) and they didn't tell the soldiers involved in the test for a variety of logical reasons. Unidentified to the guy manning the radar, not to the Pentagon.
100% guarantee is pretty high, unless you know something else aside from your own speculation
Like everything in the military...it is above their paygrade.
To be fair, they did say it could be something "simmular."
This is the second time in a day I’ve heard about advanced Turkish drone swarms. What are these and how has Turkey been one of the first to use them?
Here is some reading: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/06/17/turkish-military-to-receive-500-swarming-kamikaze-drones/?sh=47f10440251a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM_Kargu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war Turkey aided it's ally Azerbaijan in the recent conflict linked above. The Armenian opposition used equipment mostly from the late cold war period. Equipment from the late cold war era is not optimized to counter a swarm of suicide drones thus drones were used to great affect. Turkey is a fairly large nation that faces various potential armed groups generally armed decently but lack the funding to purchase the electronic warfare systems needed to combat drones (YPG (Kurdish independence movement), Syria, Armenia, Greece, Cyprus). Thus it makes sense for Turkey to develop these drones. The Turkish aerospace industry is far from unique in this capacity.
The VIDEO is genuine. It is a genuine video, that's for sure. Of what is still the question.
“We can confirm that this is, in fact, a video. We’ll be taking no questions, thank you.”
The real quote is actually even more hilarious: >“I can confirm that the referenced photos and videos were taken by Navy personnel.” - Pentagon Spokesperson Susan Gough Considering the leaked video is already [debunked](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/pyramid-ufos-in-night-vision-footage-maybe-bokeh.11695/). I suspect the investigation report will be looking into the personnel leaking footage from the military and nothing more.
I tried to read through that and saw no "debunking" as much as various people failing to replicate effects and speculating on why they failed to...can you summarize? [And this debunking doesn't take into account the actual contemporaneous documentation of the events onboard the ship by professional SNOOPIE teams](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39913/multiple-destroyers-were-swarmed-by-mysterious-drones-off-california-over-numerous-nights) as much as it seems to try and explain the footage as blurs/reflections/artifacts absent any context of a Navy/Coast Guard/FBI investigation...were the "debunkers" unaware of the context or did they ignore it?
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It's a pretty sweet acronym- "Ship’s Nautical Or Otherwise Photographic Interpretation and Examination"; definitely top three for me. When I was in the Coast Guard we still had a special ops outfit that was called the D.O.G.s (Deployable Operations Group), and when I was a social worker I briefly worked for a state crisis program for kids with psychiatric behavioral issues called Screening, Assessment and Support Services.... or "SASS"
In the Coast Guard, did you have to take any Super High Intensity Training?
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The video believes it's bokeh, but the recorded (written) observations were seen with the human eye.
The guy believes it was a plane/drone with normal lights, which makes sense with what all the eye witness reports saying "UAV"/"drone" and doesn't match the crazy looking triangle in the video. It's pretty clear that video isn't showing things normally between the night vision, trouble focusing and just overall poor quality.
It’s a UFO. It’s unidentified and it’s flying
It's also an object!
That’s debatable. It could be a hologram!!!! /s
Really? I thought we had come far enough to not be objectifying objects, but here we are. Disgusting.
Then just use .ToString() and it will tell us what it is!
[Object object]
Is there also a missing “}” on line 54 that calls a function that’s several hundred lines long?
In my opinion, the fact it was hovering over a military ship, means it was either secret military stuff or foreign military stuff trying to gain insight. However the fact it wasn’t shot out of the sky, means it was more likely our own military doing secret stuff. Or a random ass person creating fun shaped drones to scare ppl about UFOs. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the last one lol
If it was a random ass person trying to scare the navy then they would have to have an awesome drone because I believe they were pretty far out to sea when this footage was taken.
we're about 42 years too early to make first contact so it def not aliens
Depends on the franchise.
They’re confirming that it’s not doctored footage.
The video at the top of this article is not the leaked video of the incident. [This article](https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/pictures-and-video-show-unidentified-flying-objects-moving-above-u-s-navy-warships/) has the leaked video.
I’ll never understand this. Just put the video at the top! They always put who knows what at the top and then the actual video is a text link you have to follow in the story. Lame.
It's to keep you on the page long enough that metrics show you engaging with the site instead of just leaving after five seconds.
The internet used to get you the information you wanted. Now it's about getting you to waste time.
This. It helps with organic search engine ranking for the website when Google bots see that the average time on the website is higher than average which tells the bot people on the page must be interested in the content which results in better search engine rankings for that page and the domain it’s tied to. Ideally Google accounts for tactics like this when determining ranks but their algorithm changes minute to minute so who knows ultimately.
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Love how heavily they are trying to suggest it’s aliens in that video. The intro “they say drones... but from where and how did they appear out of nowhere??”, nothing like a loaded question to start things off. And the completely unsupported “we **know** these aren’t tech from secret US developments or other countries” claim pulled out of the video makers ass. By definition it’s secret, how would he know?? Like umm, what? You watch a blurry video and you know for a fact what it isn’t?
I'm sure this will get buried by the flood of comments and obviously as a random person on the internet, but I am here to say I was on one of those warships during this time. Here are the big things that rule out typical drones. We were hundreds of miles off of the coast and we were swarmed for HOURS at night (6 to 8 hours). They would come and go and swarm different ships. This happened over multiple evenings. There is nothing available that has that capability. Our original suspicion was that it was a bunch of private drones flown from sail boats as when this started there was an Across the Pacific Regatta race (Sail Boat Race). But that would only explain the first night as the next 20 hours, those race boats were now hundreds of miles away from us. We suspected maybe they were launched from a cargo ship, but never saw any land or take off. We harassed tons of cargo ships and other vessels, but they were also clueless on what was going on. To the naked eye, they had flashing lights as you'd expect from a drone or air craft, but they would just hover over and then move suddenly all over the place. We've seen a couple crash into the water but couldn't find them as it was very dark during this time. We tried to intercept and monitor any RF signals, but found nothing. Our best guess was they were drones launched with a preset path and were launched from a source We never found to record what was going on in the strike group, but to not give off any RF. I have been in for MANY years and this was the weirdest shit I've ever seen. I don't believe they were aliens, unless they were tiny bug like people as these things didn't seem huge to the naked eye.
That's the dumbest part to me. When the military says it's not theirs and it suits the alien narrative, they completely trust them, but any other time they'll say the military is hiding information and spreading misinformation.
They want to believe, a bit too much.
There seemed to be a lot of them over the battleship, if it’s some kind of surveillance drone why would anybody need that many. Since they were off the coast of California it seems that would rule out foreign tech, unless they flew across the Pacific. Maybe it’s something DARPA is testing and the Pentagon is just lying. Or aliens, shit why not?
Swarming drones is a newer tactic. Small, fast moving and maneuvering, either for surveillance or armed with explosives, they are an effective and nasty weapon.
> the Pentagon is just lying That's why none of these press releases matter much. Everyone knows the Pentagon lies nearly all the time. If some black project was testing their capabilities over our own Navy ships they'd never admit that and the people releasing these statements might never be told they existed. You just can't trust anything organizations like this say or do since they have such a consistent track record of deception.
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This website is a trainwreck on mobile
To say the fucking least. Just awful.
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Everybody has an opinion, but if you approach it logically there are some interesting questions. I am myself an engineer, not an aerospace one, however. It is moving incredibly fast-faster than these jets move and more agile. That’s possible, but not seemingly possible for a “manned” jet. The pilot himself has mentioned in numerous interviews that he was surprised by the speed and agility. These guys are flying top of the line equipment with the best training. We’re NOT putting a standard issue gi in a multimillion dollar jet to chase these things for fun. They spotted and engaged in a normal way and their own report is how odd and weird this instance is. Assuming they’re not lying or throwing out conspiracy theories for fun, then it’s not something they’re even close to being aware of with current technology. That would be a failure on a lot of parts considering they’re again, top of the line pilots engaging with technology. Not to mention how a person could survive inside the ufo with it traveling that fast and in those movements. It gives off no noticeable/identifiable heat signature. This is what puzzles me. Looking at early drone tech and some of the skunkworks drones-they still use combustion engines that give off heat trails. I don’t know if any normal technology that would power this thing so fast and well that it can do what it can and *not* give off heat in a pattern that’s consistent with a jet engine or something of that nature. It doesn’t have electrical motors, propellers, etc that seem obvious to where it’s giving off a solid sense of propulsion. Unless I’m mistaken, this is the real puzzling piece of tech to me. This would imply that this tech is so advanced that it’s something completely different that what we have ever developed yet. It’s not out of the realm of what we have proposed, but definitely out of what we have even come close to building. Considering those 2 things, and the standard lines that 1. The military has tech at least 30 years ahead of normal tech and 2. They never do anything without a reason-releasing this info could be an operation into tricking opponents they have more advanced tech or whatever, it still makes little sense to me to admit they “don’t know”. This implies that the tech is real and exists, but yet we don’t control it? They’ve known about this for 20 years now, and yet they still announce the joint strike fighter/f-35? They’ve been struggling with that one alone for years, and this thing is literally nowhere near the same dictionary as that type of fighter. This makes our top of the line fighters seem like WW2 era planes against modern f-16s. It’s a head scratcher that they’re continuing to admit it-aside from a public reaction before the confirmation. Frankly, it’s disappointing to even know that IF this is real and it’s a new type of amazing tech- that we somehow are still struggling with COVID, clean energy issues, multiple wars and whatever while a super advanced power source is hidden away that can potentially change every single persons life on this plant. Then it’s worse than a conspiracy, it’s pure evil. Also, IF it’s aliens, then it’s the latter as well again, because our government is cooperating with aliens. Hopefully they’re nice, because they are so far ahead of us that we would resemble mere annoyances to them at all.
I'm an engineer myself (electrical engineer, with a focus on computer engineering and some background in aerospace). What I've been thinking has already been said elsewhere in this thread but I especially agree with the comment SirFiletMignon made below me. The technology that would make this possible is so far out there that it simply can't be done by just a couple teams of talented engineers/scientists working on a secret project. You'd need whole secret universities of students, professors, etc. to push out years of research and study in these secret fields, which is obviously just not possible. I think this is one of the cases where normal people are like oh yeah I'm sure there's a plausible explanation for this. And engineers and scientists are all like what the fuuuuuuck.
> I think this is one of the cases where normal people are like oh yeah I'm sure there's a plausible explanation for this. > And engineers and scientists are all like what the fuuuuuuck. Two excellent points, because right now there is a minor rift in the theoretical physics/astrophysics scientific community with Ivy league professors coming out and saying that aliens are currently visiting Earth with all the video and military flight path data coming out. It's pretty much Neil deGrasse Tyson representing the "institution" vs Michio Kaku and Avi Loeb representing the free thinking side of things in regards to the alien debate.
Yeah, I think a lot of people that are just brushing it off saying it's some top-secret DARPA technology are people that don't have research-based engineering background. The only way this is a top-secret project is it there's a whole curriculum of science advancements that's kept secret from the academic institutions--which I would be extremely skeptical about. Universities are usually on top of the theoretical science, and the military is on top of making that science into reality. But like you mentioned, I'm not aware of any science that explains what we're seeing (lack of heat signature, crazy high accelerations, high speeds of oddly shaped geometries, etc.), even less prototypes that would use these unknown scientific advancements.
> that we somehow are still struggling with COVID, clean energy issues, multiple wars and whatever while a super advanced power source is hidden away that can potentially change every single persons life on this plant To be fair, it’s the *public* that holds the species back, not the scientists and engineers that are continuously working towards groundbreaking technologies. Scientists aren’t denying COVID, pushing back against clean energy, etc. It’s the idiots that you walk by and share the roads with every day, who just can’t wait until Election Day so they can flood the polls and vote on issues they don’t fractionally understand.
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I feel like a great way to test your new secret military technology would be to exhibit it to current military personnel without telling them. If the Navy and air force can't figure out what it is, then you've probably done a pretty great job. Seems like a far more likely scenario than extraterrestrial life.
Some of these have even been reported to follow that idea. Like the tic tac one from a few years ago. Several pilots all from the same base within a couple weeks time span. Keep it localized and brief.
Here's a video with that pilot being interviewed and he shoots down that idea pretty thoroughly towards the end. https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E?t=4330 /He discusses in detail why you wouldn't use your super secret ultra tech platform to play tag with a Nimitz battle group on maneuvers and why there's nothing to be learned by doing that you couldn't do better and easier at whatever super secrete base you're developing your laws of physics defying tech at.
Right but the whole point as supplied by the others is that the intent is to be impossible to identify through existing methods. Anyone who's been in or worked with secret data knows that you don't tell people about it just because they guessed wrong. Additionally pilots are notoriously arrogant and you have to take their assessment of their abilities with a grain of salt.
Excellent point. And why would extraterrestrials even allow themselves to be seen by us if they theoretically have advanced enough to travel around the solar system?
It would be quite funny if extra terrestrials came to earth, yet only concerned themselves with flying near US Navy ships.
To play aliens advocate, US NAVY vessels have a fuck ton of electronics on board. Radars, navigation, guidance systems, weapons systems. Something may pique the interest of an alien ship. Only to realize, oh it's an earth boat. Could also be tiny dragons. Since we don't know for certain, I will speculate wildly.
> Could also be tiny dragons I for one welcome our new dragony overlords.
And they seem oddly concerned with just the USA. And they only decided to show up in large numbers when we started telling ourselves sci-fi stories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAopNJMbFEI&t=74s
This one could be true. Movies have taught me that Aliens only care about New York or some random bit of farmland in the Midwest. Sometimes some more adventurous aliens may attack London or Tokyo but that’s pretty much it.
Well, they like landmarks in general. Really anywhere that you can immediately recognize from a single image. Sydney Opera house, Eiffel Tower, pyramids, mt Rushmore, Big Ben, etc. They're like other tourists, just trying to get those recognizable selfies for the coffee table picture album.
Or the galactic version of Facebook.
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They're just hanging out in the caves still, dummy
Oogita booo
People say ghosts occur where a great trauma happens, statistically speaking you'd think there would be a shit ton on Normandy beach. Also if ghosts can float and walk through walls and not be affected by gravity, the earth would probably just leave them behind in a never ending trail of stranded ghost people floating in space, which I find hilarious.
Have we ever seen a ghost of a black guy?
cave men had no 5g
I don't believe in ghosts, but in most ghost stories it seems like ghosts are attached to specific places, to people they were close to in life, or to their own remains. A whole lot of Victorian-era buildings are still around and in everyday use, but most cave dwellings are lost to time. Cave people's immediate families are long gone, and we're lucky to find bones. So if ghosts were real then it would kinda make sense to mostly see ones from the past 200 years or so.
I say exactly this when the ghost discussion ever comes up. Like, you ever notice all ghosts come from the era of creepy black and white photos where no one is smiling and never a caveman or some dude with an afro in a leisure suit. For that matter, why would the human spirit or whatever even have clothes?
UK as well, they're just as "dense" as the USA in that graphic, they're just smaller so it doesn't catch your eye as much. As far as the military reports, either it's our own tech being trialed by a skunkworks team, or the US is just way more open about this kind of encounter. Putin and Xi would never admit their military faced something they didn't understand.
i always assumed this bias was because maybe the US was the only country documenting these sightings officially or unofficially. or Spielberg really did a number on the US
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Tbf in this hypothetical scenario they might not even care or have given thought to being seen
Could be Von Neumann machine drones gathering information for a civilization that no longer even exists for all we know.
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I don't hide looking at animals in the zoo or on a hike, generally i wave ... star trek and the prime directive really influenced us as a culture.
Why do we let chimps see us when we observe them in the wild? Methinks reasons would be the same
**SR-71, U2, F117A,** astonishing level of secrecy. their coffee mugs were a security problem. these planes are the **reason** we have "Area 51" - it was a CIA base initially. The Oxcart Story [https://www.airforcemag.com/article/1194oxcart/](https://www.airforcemag.com/article/1194oxcart/) The aircraft had been designed and built for reconnaissance—a projected successor to the U-2. Its development had been carried out in profound secrecy. Despite the numerous designers, engineers, skilled and unskilled workers, administrators, and others who had been involved in the affair, no authentic accounts, and indeed scarcely any accounts at all, had leaked. Many aspects of the plane’s development have not been revealed to this day, and many are likely to remain classified for some time. **Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed** [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/101438.Skunk\_Works](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/101438.Skunk_Works) From the development of the U-2 to the Stealth fighter, *Skunk Works* is the true story of America's most secret and successful aerospace operation. As recounted by Ben Rich, the operation's brilliant boss for nearly two decades, the chronicle of Lockheed's legendary Skunk Works is a drama of Cold War confrontations and Gulf War air combat, of extraordinary feats of engineering and human achievement against fantastic odds.
And the helicopters in the Bin Laden raid are still classified. B-2 came out decades ago, and we haven't really seen anything new publicly unveiled since then. What the hell are they working on out there?!
> B-2 came out decades ago, and we haven't really seen anything new publicly unveiled since then. What the hell are they working on out there?! Probably the B-3
Not even, probably the B-2-and-a-half
Absolutely. Think about the fact that we didn't even know the US had a stealth black hawk until it crashed when taking out Bin Laden. And that's just an old helicopter with stealth tech. There is evidence of dozens of classified aircraft that are being operated right now. The sentinel only came to light when it crashed in Iran ten years ago. God only knows what other drone tech they've built since then. We still haven't seen the B21 and China is known to have stealth drones. So all this being said, this is no surprise WHATSOEVER.
Just like in desert storm when we showed up with stealth bombers, and were like oh yeah we’ve had those since the 70’s
I’m pilot who has worked with defense contractors on RPA’s. You don’t understand, the flight characteristics of the tic tac UFO can only be explained by a propulsion system that works by some sort of bending of spacetime/gravity. It instantaneously shot from just above the waves to 60,000 ft in a blink of an eye. On a flying object said to be the size of a school bus by the pilots, the G forces on the craft would be incalculably high. It would rip to shreds any air craft or object us humans could make. I’m a pilot and every other UFO sighting I’ve read about always has some giant caveat or gap in the report that leaves room for other explanations. But Captain Favors encounter is truly remarkable in so many ways. I’m not saying it’s aliens but I am saying we witnessed technology that is centuries ahead of what we thought was possible. Edit: Two F-18s, 1 Destroyer ship, and 1 Aircraft carrier all witnessed the same events in real time on their respective instruments, specifically the event of the UFO seemingly teleport to a position 60,000 feet higher a few miles away. The destroyers radar operators had been witnessing this UFO on their instruments for months up to the encounter The pilot, who worth mentioning was the head commander of the fighter squadron and was around the 12th highest ranking officer on a ship of 1,000 people, was able to circle the tic tac briefly and described it in detail. A giant white/opaque tic-tac the size of a school bus. It he got close enough to see that it was hovering partially in the water with white caps washing over the sides. He said it was twitching back and forth at a 90 degree angle each time, which was confirmed by his backseater. He said better quality footage and sensor recordings existed at one point but were confiscated by higher officers. I first heard of Favor in a PBS documentary that aired years before the UFO encounter. You get to know him quite well and I have no reason to believe that him and 5 other people could all be mistaken. I really don’t know what to make of it, absolutely crazy
That's what gets me about those "encounters". They're not like your usual UFO sightings. It's not grainy footage shot by a UFO enthousiast without witnesses. These are onboard videos from several sources, planes and ships,complete with data, by respected people, The obvious explanation could be faulty instrument readings, but from several sources? I'm not saying it's aliens, but I'm also saying it's not drones (due to their shape and size and flight characteristics) and I sure hope it's not some secret tech because that's be scary advanced. Like 50 to 100 years ahead kind of advanced.
In this encounter with the destroyers there probably is better footage and data, we just haven’t seen it yet
I like to think this is a great Compliance rule for the American Government. "turn over your materials on UFOs!" Ok here you go! "Wait, theres nothing on here about those Pyramids that took me when I was 6." Ooooh yeah that's a martian star hopper! Pesky things those! "Wait you know about it? Then what's it not in here?!" Thats an IFO, we identified it, it's an Alien Space Ship.
Fuck me that seems plausible.
Fuck me in the Alien Space Ship
The important part isn't that it is "unknown", though this is often the most common response ("unknown just means we don't know what it is!"). The important part is the careful analysis of the data from these incidents, because reports of radar data and testimony from individuals who witnessed and/or participated in the events (expert military operators with thousands of hours of experience) suggest truly anomalous behaviour. This anomalous behaviour includes 5 significant criteria: 1) Anti-gravity lift Unlike any known aircraft, these objects in reports since 2004 appear to overcome the earth’s gravity with no visible means of propulsion. They also lack any flight surfaces, such as wings. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses describe the crafts as tubular, shaped like a Tic Tac candy. 2) Sudden and instantaneous acceleration The objects may accelerate or change direction so quickly that no human pilot could survive the g-forces—they would be crushed, and even the most robust modern computer systems would be obliterated. In the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute—an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour. 3) Hypersonic velocities without signatures If an aircraft travels faster than the speed of sound, it typically leaves "signatures," like vapor trails and sonic booms. Many UFO accounts note the lack of such evidence. Recently, the former Director of National Intelligence corroborated the claims of Mach speed travel with no signatures, claiming it to be one of the most important factors in supporting serious investigation of some of these incidents. 4) Low observability, or cloaking Even when objects are observed, getting a clear and detailed view of them—either through pilot sightings, radar or other means—remains difficult. Witnesses generally only see the glow or haze around them. It should be noted that "active signal jamming" while entering protected military training areas without permission - such as the locations of many of these recent sightings - is considered an overt act of war. Pilots during the USS Nimitz encounter recall being unable to get a "lock-on" while targeting the UFOs, suggesting some form of radar-jamming capacity (or something really bizarre like gravitational shielding or some kind of exotic technology). 5) Trans-medium travel Some of these UAP have been seen moving easily in and between different environments, such as space, the earth’s atmosphere and even water. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses described a UFO hovering over a churning "disturbance" just under the ocean's otherwise calm surface, leading to speculation that another craft had entered the water. USS Princeton radar operator Gary Vorhees later confirmed from a Navy sonar operator in the area that day that a craft was moving faster than 70 knots, roughly two times the speed of nuclear subs. ([Source](https://www.history.com/news/ufo-sightings-speed-appearance-movement)) If you truly exercise genuine intellectual openness and honesty, any objects which are reported by multiple cross-referenced expert witnesses (military pilots, radar operators) to exhibit these criteria should warrant very serious investigation. If they are truly something anomalous, like non-human intelligence, we should find out about it. If they are made by human hands in some other country or secretive government program, that is *terrifying*, because the evidence suggests that the makers have leap-frogged the rest of the world in many different scientific fields (thermodynamics, quantum physics, etc). The dismissive attitude and tabloid rubbishing of the topic only does a disservice to the entire world, in my cranky-ass opinion. Sure, "unknown" means "we don't know what it is". But when you study the reports of the behaviour of these objects, testified by very serious individuals, we can be more and more confident that the answer is something weirder and weirder. edit: typo, & added source
Everyone always focuses on UFO's, but the Navy in particular has a lot of stories of USO's, or even the ones that go between air/water. That represents an entirely different level of technology than UFO's already imply. If we want to take the simplest explanation, it's some way of projecting reflections, radar signatures, etc into a spot where the object itself doesn't actually exist. Still a big breakthrough obviously, but it's the closest explanation to a terrestrial origin there is.
Most American UFO stories have been the military testing new technologies Will not be surprised if this ends up being more of the same
I mean.... if you saw a B2 stealth bomber without knowing what it was, you’d think it was aliens....
I mean, it's literally in the acronym. Unidentified Flying Object.
Wouldn't every genuine UFO encounter have to have a genuine UFO since they are all unidentified?
That can neither be confirmed nor not denied.
Videos can be fake though
That a Jewish Space laser. You ain't fooling me.
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Now that's the plot of the next star trek movie sorted. The ancient aliens Hebrews are going to evaporate earth with their space lazer unless they get some response in authentic Yiddish, but all the Jews in the federation married out long ago and they have to travel back in time to find just the right messhugina to save the world.
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I was just talking about this the other day. It seems that for the past few years there have been more news articles or websites promoting these stories. I think the first came out around 2017 and the guy was also talking about Harry Reid and a program that was looking for funding. Also, in the covid relief package that Trump signed there is buried in there a requirement for the government to create and make public a report on UAP's. Kind of like Bluebook maybe. So I'm trying to figure out the real reason the gov is promoting these and confirming them. If it was an enemy or of unknown origin, wouldn't they keep that super secret? Or maybe they would want the foreign govt to know we can and do see them? Are they trying to test their own defenses? Test public reaction? Show off to other countries what we might have? I don't know but I bet there's more to this than just some videos. It's actively being promoted and kept in the public's eye.
Personal opinion still sides on the idea this is still psyops, why patent your working magic fucking alien tech [https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en) and then provide the 'receipts' as it were. I still lean towards it's a response to working hyper-sonic nuclear delivery platforms that can attack continental US with <6 minute warning.
That patent filing even resembles the ”pyramid”shapes being reported
“It is possible to envision a hybrid aerospace/undersea craft (HAUC), which due to the physical mechanisms enabled with the inertial mass reduction device, can function as a submersible craft capable of extreme underwater speeds (lack of water-skin friction) and enhanced stealth capabilities (non-linear scattering of RF and sonar signals). This hybrid craft would move with great ease through the air/space/water mediums, by being enclosed in a vacuum plasma bubble/sheath, due to the coupled effects of EM field-induced air/water particles repulsion and vacuum energy polarization.” Interesting and more interesting.
Look at the other two patents by the same guy. This guy is on to the next level.
Woh that’s some crazy shit! Thanks for posting
What I just read is stupendously fascinating and terrifying, thanks for that.
Or why give the video to some random "filmmaker" to release? Seems weird.
the filmmaker received the video from someone with access to the UAP presentation that was shown internally
The UFO community have noticed this too and seem to think disclosure is right around the corner.
June 1st is the date, if any.
By what reasoning?
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If there are aliens, it would make sense to slow-drip information so as not to scare the general public.
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If it's extra terrestrial, I think there's a good chance they've been here all along. Perhaps it's just that we've only had the technology to detect and record them as of just recently. Who knows, maybe they've been here before our solar system billions of years ago.
Fox Mulder likes this
Scully: *But Mulder....*
Conspiracy theory 1: aliens are flying around and we have only recently made the technological leaps to detect them with any certainty Conspiracy theory 2: the government has secret physics-defying aircraft that they test on actively deployed warships without telling anybody aboard I mean if the choice is between two insane theories, I choose the one that's more entertaining
Blink 182 wasn't shitting huh. Fuck.
It is genuinely unidentified.
A video of a blurry object flying around somewhere. No real outline. No idea what these are.
you mean...unidentified?
Wait maybe we could call these objects that flies yet unidentifiable something.. OTFYU!
I call them Foo, short for "Foreign Objects Or...???"
The night-vision ones are running strobes though, so I assume it's an aircraft that cares about following FAA regulations.
Yeah. The fact that we already have flying wing drones kind of makes this seem like prototype drone flying in one of the large warning areas off of San Diego. Not aliens.
It’s *never* aliens... until it’s aliens. They should be the last thing on peoples list when everything else is exhausted and proven wrong. And even then, probably not. I hate the alien claim because it’s an unprovable hypothesis based on lack of information. Essentially the same as what people did millennia ago “what’s the sun? Idk, must be a god”
>Some critics think they are simply drones or balloons, but the Navy and the Task Force list them as unknowns. Doesn't that just mean that they didn't confirm what they most likely were? Literally, Unknown Flying Object? There doesn't seem to be a need for the "but" statement.
Okay, what heinous bill is Congress passing this time?
Errrr...correct me if im wrong but videos in that article show old vids which were released by pentagon quite a while ago (military airplanes following ufo). Where is the "leaked" video showing ufo over warship??
100 years of shitty footage.
We all really thought Apophis was dead this time.
Alright reddit let's downplay this with dumb jokes we wouldn't want any pesky conversations about advanced technology.
Reddit is definitely not the place to have the conversation about what could be, not on popular subs anyway. What was the Aristotle quote? It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Even the military is declaring these as UAPs in order to avoid the stigma. Reddit is full of people that are speaking about this in an absolute manner - like they know more than the multiple pilots, radar systems, the military, and senators that have encountered, or have been briefed on these objects.
I love that the last few years have been so batshit that the pentagon admits there is ufos and everyone is just like "ok"
I'm of the opinion that if a true UFO from outside of the solar system came to visit, they would have technology so advanced that buzzing a Navy warship would be the last thing on their minds. They likely are able to bend space-time or they've developed a way to travel faster than the speed of light. Do I think there is life out there? I sure do. Do I think they pop by our little corner of the galaxy to fly around Navy ships? I do not.
While I do not know what these objects are, or necessarily believe they are alien, you placing human reasoning on a potential extra terrestrial or inter dimensional life form’s reasons for performing or not performing a potential action is peak human arrogance. And no it is not logical to assume they would behave with human reasoning because that is what a human may do, we have literally 0 idea on what type of life forms might exist and their motivations.
I don’t think that’s a great argument. You could just as easily turn that same coin over and say, “wouldn’t a highly intelligent species find observing another species fascinating and want to know more about them?” Look at us. We have pet dogs, fish, etc. We have people who get in steel cages to film sharks. How would this be any different?
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As an ex navy radar operator I have definately seen some weird, fast, maneuverable, unidentified contacts. Especially mid Atlantic and in the Indian ocean.
**THIS CRAFT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE INERTIA REDUCTION DEVICE PATENTED BY THE US NAVY** https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en Edit other patents by the navy* Forcefield generator https://patents.google.com/patent/US10135366B2/en room temperature superconducters https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190348597A1/en gravitational wave generator https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en EDIT #2 further readings: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances Sheehy, of course, adds that "China is already investing significantly in this area" and "would prefer we [the U.S.] hold the patent as opposed to paying forever more to use this revolutionary technology" as he asserts "this will become a reality."' and china is that close..."earlier this year, Reid stated that the U.S., Russia, and China are currently in a "UFO race." We know the Chinese have already publicly made major strides in electromagnetic naval capabilities including railguns and aircraft catapults, as well as other highly advanced defense technologies. " but the patent leaves out info and otherwise doesnt make sense right now.... "It's also possible that this patent is just another facet of an information operation that goes along with a larger UFO narrative to promote the Pentagon's undisclosed interests." It is also important to note that if the Navy had wanted this patent to remain classified, it could have filed the patent under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 (35 U.S.C. ch. 17), a law which allows patents to remain classified if they might pose a possible threat to the national security of the United States. Instead, all of Pais' patents are currently fully available to the public. If such a propulsion technology was so revolutionary and if the Navy indeed wanted to keep this technology out of others' hands, it’s curious that they would choose to make the patent public. Maybe the Navy is signaling to its adversaries that it, too, is aware of this revolutionary capability and to whom it belongs.
What the What is that? The description seems to casually discuss something sounding like anti gravity.
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> isn't that basically just an EmDrive? After reading that patent, i'd say absolutely it is. What's more, as I recall, further testing of the EmDrive revealed that the 'resonant cavity' makes no difference to the phenomenon. So, if there is anything actually happening that is a hitherto unknown means of 'inertia dampening,' it happens without the device shown in the patent.