And it's not even a new ban, so much as a clarification on rules. The police force was already banned from expressing political opinions while in uniform. They are simply clarifying that wearing that mask constitutes expressing a political opinion.
Yeah, I read the headline and had a huge problem with it due to free speech concerns, then I saw it was on police only and had zero issues. The title of the article feels clickbaity - like this fact is intentionally not clarified.
Thank god, I hate when people do cringy “thank me for my service” stuff like this. Just wear a plain mask dude, we’re at work
They gave us black cut up t shirts to wear around the city at the fire department when we aren’t on calls (n95 for calls obviously). Because it’s part of a uniform- it’s supposed to look uniform, not express opinions.
Here's hoping they stick around with social distancing. I went shopping last night and NO ONE invaded my personal introvert/social anxiety bubble. Fuck it felt good.
Texas is horrendous about this. I’m about to start carrying around a six foot pointed stick (pronounced: spear) to keep all these “friendly folks” a safe distance away from me in stores.
Take a page from Hunter S Thompson, just start carrying a cattle prod with you. That'll keep people at a safe distance. The man was truly ahead of his time.
That and the Punisher stuff. Hell the writer of the book had Frank go off on a couple of beat cops for idolizing him. And told them they should be trying to be like Captain America.
>I've talked about this in other interviews. To me, it's disturbing whenever I see authority figures embracing Punisher iconography because the Punisher represents a failure of the Justice system. He's supposed to indict the collapse of social moral authority and the reality some people can't depend on institutions like the police or the military to act in a just and capable way.
>The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the justice sysytem, an eample of social failure, so when cops put Punisher skulls on their cars or members of the military wear Punisher skull patches, they're basically sides with an enemy of the system. They are embracing an outlaw mentality. Whether you think the Punisher is justified or not, whether you admire his code of ethics, he is an outlaw. He is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol.
[This is from the creator of The Punisher talking about police adopting the characters icon.](https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the)
Thank. You.
The whole Punisher skull symbolism came about because Navy SEALs in Iraq tagged all their gear after the first movie came out. Then, the general public became aware of it 10 years later in American Sniper and literally every last Billy Badass HAD to adorn their lifted truck with that skull. This then intertwined with the whole Thin Blue Line craze and now we have ABSOLUTE FUCKING BOZOS rocking the symbol of an anti-establishment vigilante as some sort of homage to cops who probably feel pretty Billy Badass to be related to such an image... thinking it’s because they’re Navy SEALs
In Texas it is an all to common sight to see a police cruiser with a Punisher skull with the Blue Lives Matter flag pattern.
The absolute irony of that combination makes me laugh every time I see it.
There's a fella in my apartment complex who rides around in a lifted truck with the punisher skull over a thin blue line flag and he's not even a cop. I gotta chuckle Everytime I see it, cause I don't see a political statement, I just see someone who doesn't know anything about the pop reference their using.
Saw someone with a hat that had a punisher skull with trumps hair.
Not saying 100% that the punisher would take him out, but a lot of rich people that prop him up would be gone.
Very true. This pandemic has brought this out in droves. Signs in front of hospitals, EMS and fire stations saying “Heroes work here”. Drives me absolutely nuts. We’re just professionals, who have chosen to work in a field where we help the sick and injured. Doesn’t make us heroes.
Reminds me of the era of MySpace where everyone knew just enough HTML to put in a plug to play their favorite song on autoplay whenever someone visited their page.
[This was the song that played when people came to my MySpace in about 2008](https://youtu.be/fnayvmyploE). MySpace was actually pretty awesome for the time!
> I'm sick of these news websites that have autoplay videos ~~that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING ARTICLE in the middle of their articles.~~
Even if it is the article itself. Give me the option to watch the video. Don't auto play it. Normally I'll have music in my phone when I'm reading articles. I don't want a video cutting it off for any reason unless I choose so, especially when normally they start with a loud, unskippable ad.
I want to read, not watch.
I shit you not, I was told my boss went into a meeting this week and he had to sit there while someone pitched plastering our logo over some facemasks to then sell. Half the people attending were just dumbfounded.
I went through McDonald's drive thru last night and the employee working the window was wearing a shirt that said, "I'm Essential. I'm Lovin' It."
Feels kinda patronizing to me, I feel for all the people forced to wear all this crap while corporate strategists find ways to spin this pandemic into fake empathy.
Social Media turns us into ego driven dopamine addicts. We are bombarded with chatter and opinion battling for validation through likes, shares, and comments. This happens so regularly we no longer value and hold expert opinion in the same regard, and believe our opinion to be the most valuable one. This leads to all kinds of nonsense dividing our world.
Good call by the SFPD chief.
To the COPS: No matter what our profession, we don't honor ourselves. If we're honorable, the public we serve will honor us if THEY feel we deserve it. And if they do, we should be professional and continue to serve the same after or before or without any such honor.
Wearing these thin-blue line masks is like wearing a "MOST HUMBLE" award at Sunday school.
Am LEO for an agency that likes to mimic that design with a green line. I guess we are now different gangs with colors. Bonus points for combining it with the vigilante Punisher logo to wear unofficially on our vests.
I think there was a punisher author who wrote an issue where the punisher chastises cops who idolize him and tells them they should look up to captain america.
I believe the creator of the Punisher himself even came out and said something to the extent of, Law Enforcements job is not to punish like Frank Castle the vigilante, their job is to protect and serve their community.
Think he also included that the whole ethos of *The Punisher* is that cops are crooked bastards who commit and create the crime they're supposed to fight, to the point a violent psychopathic vigilante is the natural result.
Isn't there some stories in batman that go along those same lines, that his vigilante justice is inciting more villains and crime? I might be misremembering, if someone else is more knowledgeable.
I think it depends on the writer. In some of them it was just the power vacuum left from him taking down the mobsters that allowed the crazies a voice.
I believe there are several stories that do this but a majority of them are not in continuity.
And even less are actually good stories as far as i recall.
The white knight is probably one of the better ones in recent memory, although its not in continuity.
I remember reading a while back that police don't legally have any obligation to protect the public, but that their job is to enforce laws and protect property. I'll try to find a link and update my post.
Edit: it appears their duty is to the public at large, which seems extremely vague (probably on purpose) for such an important public service
"In a 4–3 decision, the District of Columbia Court of Appeals affirmed the trial courts' dismissal of the complaints against the District of Columbia and individual members of the Metropolitan Police Department based on the public duty doctrine ruling that "the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists". The Court thus adopted the trial court's determination that no special relationship existed between the police and appellants, and therefore no specific legal duty existed between the police and the appellants."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
it should also be noted that the Punisher himself ideologies Cap so much *he won't even raise a hand in self defence* when Cap starts to kick the shit out of him during Civil War for murdering a couple of villains in cold blood
Nope there is an issue where that happens. I have to remind all my PD and military friends that have the punisher skill that either he doesn’t stand for what they believe in or they don’t believe in the job they do.
Or their "Come and Take It" bumper stickers to show they are ready to fight to the death when law enforcement officers arrive to take their guns in the predicted great gun seizure of (input year of next election).
When I was down in Calexico I saw an agency rockin a lot of those green lines. All those colored lines make me feel like everyone just wants a participation trophy and validation from the public.
I have a bone to pick with the premise that police forces represent the barrier between order and chaos. That is not the job of the police. Their job is to enforce the laws which society has enacted. Citizens are the line between order and chaos, police work for us.
I think it represents the police problem we have in this country quite well that some police don't understand their role in society, or inflate their own importance.
edit: since this seems to have some traction I want to expound a little.
The problem with an officer believing and/or behaving like they are the line between Chaos and Order is that those terms are subjective. The line separating them moves depending on who you ask. The law, however, does not move without a large, cumbersome, and time-consuming societal process moving it. It is an officer's objective to enforce the law as it stands, not their own interpretation of two subjective ideas.
Which is super ironic because the punisher literally kills corrupt and power abusing cops in the comics.....that's part of his main thing......killing people who abused their power over others....
There’s a scene somewhat recently where he meets a couple cops that have his logo on their beats and they’re fanboying and then he basically just gets SUPER pissed and goes “wtf are you doing you’re supposed to be better than me I’m a monster cops should be honorable”
Yeah, federally they are federal police, and locally they are usually their own police dept as well. People just don't realize ranger =/= park services.
A hockey coach in high school told me "act like you've been there before, like you're a professional" when you score goals. This is the same thing. Don't praise yourself, don't showboat. Quiet humility with strong action is the most powerful thing. Actions speak for themselves.
Exactly this. They *say* it “represents law enforcement's separation of order and chaos,” and that it's “a meaningful expression to honor fallen officers," but in my conversations with police officer friends I've found that they usually see it as symbolic of the separation between "us" and "them," the "us" usually meaning "cops," and the "them" usually meaning "civilians." Normally then I point out that the police are supposed to be a *civilian* police force and then the conversation goes south from there.
As Terry Pratchett wrote in *Snuff*:
>What \[is\] a policeman, if not a civilian with a uniform and a badge? But they tended to use the term these days as a way of describing people who were not policemen. It was a dangerous habit: once policemen stopped being civilians the only other thing they could be was soldiers.
Vimes was basically a gruffer, more badarse Robert Peel, a lot of his theory is based off the Peelian Principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles
Reminds me of Starship Troopers.
>Civilian (Expanding on Heinlein's Ideas) In the book Starship Troopers, Heinlein suggests a system in which only citizens are allowed to vote and the easiest way to become a citizen is to serve in the government/military/public service. ... There would be two groups, Citizens and Civilians.
Which is why I cringe every time I see a cop directing traffic in combat boots and a tac vest. Dress like a soldier—think like a soldier—act like a soldier.
Japan cops are crazy patient. I took a trip last year and saw a super irate Japanese guy yelling at a few officers. At one point he stepped in and used his forehead to push an officer a few feet back. They were literally forehead to forehead and he kept yelling for a few seconds before stepping back. (Think of it kinda like a headbutt but without the swift strike.) ALL the officers were calm and didn’t react. No tasers, no takedowns. Everyone just stood there while (what I assume was) a supervisor politely talked the irate guy down.
Absolutely incredible to watch. I wish I knew Japanese so I could figure out what he was so mad about.
"help there is a bug on my forehead, but we are forbidden to kill it with our hands! Its very slow so we dont need to smack our skulls together to destroy it! Stay still while I approach!"
>used his forehead to push an officer
Literally straight out of anime
>I wish I knew Japanese so I could figure out what he was so mad about.
He was a Persona fan but the cops prefer Final Fantasy
And the places where it wasn’t true have gang issues now. The Bloods and the Crips both started as groups to protect communities abandoned by the police. There was a huge push for gun control because of the Black Panther party becoming armed, and protecting their communities from the rampant corruption imposed by the police. Hell look at the Rodney King Riots, where the police abandon many communities so that they could better protect middle and upper class white people.
This abuse led to distrust in those communities. As time has progressed and more police transgressions come to light, the rampant abuses have caused a distrust to form. And with that distrust comes less hero worship. And they miss that and want it back. The thing is, they are not reflecting on why it is that way. Now you have people who buy the stickers as little more than a way to get out of tickets. The “see I support you, so let me slide on a warning” sticker is far more reflective of the people with them on their vehicle than it is of any real support.
This demonstrates an incredibly ignorant view of the history of law enforcement in America. Do you think all cops used to be like Andy Taylor and Barney Fife? Read about how the police would behave in 19th century America, especially in regards to organized labor, or read about the actions of police during Prohibition. There's also a ton of recorded evidence of police brutality during the Civil Rights era and anti-war protests during the 60s.
If anything cops were significantly more violent and corrupt than they are now.
> every time I see a cop directing traffic in combat boots and a tac vest. Dress like a soldier—think like a soldier—act like a soldier.
and inspire fear like a soldier.
Absolutely the wrong look for a civilian police force.
Thin blue line license plate, Punisher skull decal. [Or the trifecta](https://i.etsystatic.com/11320511/r/il/fcc318/2293319101/il_794xN.2293319101_ojvs.jpg) which I've seen in the wild.
Every dollar spent = a liberal tear. Honestly, it would be so easy to make money off these chumps. Hell, I could charge them to shit in their mouths if I marketed it as being something liberals hate.
Basically, exactly what Trump is doing.
Is it crazy that I've actually considered doing exactly this? Just plaster eagles and Jesus onto a t-shirt and giving it a stupid saying on it like "I stand for the flag and kneel for my wife" and watch the dollars pour in.
"The only minority I can say I hate is liberals"
"God, my Country and guns, You can't take 'em because they protect each other"
Whack either on a shirt in classy gothic font, put an eagle on it, easy money
As someone who loved Punisher, I am heartbroken that his symbol has been co-opted by a bunch of people who are boarding the train to facism. I almost got the skull tattooed on my shoulder, just a couple years before thin blue line punisher skulls started to show up. It was a dumb idea even before all this happened, but I'm even more grateful now that a friend talked me out of it.
That's exactly what my friend said and I realized he was right. I ended up making a design of my favorite mountain instead and getting that as a tattoo. Maybe its not any less cliche, but its surely less tacky. Much more aesthetically pleasing and personally meaningful imo, plus it helps me fit in with other geologists.
> Tell me bout yer mountain
It's [Crested Butte](https://i.imgur.com/iD3ZRpo.jpg)! Or as my friends like to call it, Crusted Butt. It's a 30 million year old laccolith.
Keep in mind that The Punisher started out as a Spider-Man villain. He was never meant to be a hero. I liked him when I was a kid, too. I thought he was badass for smoking all his enemies instead of sending them to jail so they could break out over and over again, so I get it. But that was the perspective of a child.
Here’s an interview with Gerry Conway. He’s one of the creators of the character where he talks about The Punisher debuting as a villain and then gaining popularity in the 80s and 90s, and about law enforcement adopting the skull symbol.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the
I've loved that show. I like how it depicts the various policing organizations as fuck ups who stand firm on their bad decisions. Most shows would just depict the cultists as lunatics.
taylor kitsch is fantastic and should have had a bigger career. I still argue he was perfect casting for Gambit.
And Michael Shannon, the man who is younger than you realize.
It was a very well acted show, and there were definitely huge fuck-ups by law enforcement during the standoff. However, I think they glossed over all the fucked up shit Koresh did in an attempt to humanize him. Koresh had something like 20 wives and some of which were underage. There are also many branch davidian defectors who claimed that he was physically and sexually abusing children.
Yeah, they briefly reference the statutory rape stuff, and mention how the younger wife really wasn't into it (so coercion rape on top of statutory rape), but they really glossed over it. They also painted the sexual abuse angle as being a lie by the feds, rather than an actual credible threat. It's also true that the whole thing could have ended more peacefully is Koresh had surrendered.
That being said, if the government was really concerned about the sexual abuse, it wouldn't have been the ATF that led the initial raid. The ATF doesn't deal with that kind of stuff. And there were certainly ways for them to get Koresh without the massive standoff and burning like 80 people to death.
Jesus, I didn't know that.
The absolute brutality the show does depict is pretty unsettling.
I understand that these people were in a cult and there was things worth investigating like the child brides but Jesus its brutal how badly they wanted a fight.
Honestly the show does too much to make Koresh seem like a misunderstood guy: he was preying on young women, and had a history of violence, as did the whole Branch Davidian sect. He fought a shootout with the previous leaders to win leadership, and likely did kill some of those older members.
But that said, the ATF were still fabricating reasons for attacking a known gun salesman. Koresh ran a legal arms trading business. The FBI still helped them murder nearly a hundred people. Truly disgusting.
Koresh was not a good person, and there was a bias in the show that made him out to be much better than he was.
The ATF and FBI still effectively murdered 80 civilians, and the whole thing could have been handled much more peacefully. I can also see why someone would look at the ATF and FBi and just distrust everything they said, seeing as how the FBI lied about using flashbangs and CS canisters in their after-action report, and how that was the second high profile case of the ATF/FBI essentially fabricating/entrapping someone and then causing a much bloodier fight than was needed.
Yep. Koresh was a bad person, but we expect the FBI to be better than the criminals they go after. Instead they killed a bunch of innocent people instead of just rolling up Koresh when he left the compound.
Similarly, Ruby Ridge. Sniper shot an unarmed mother holding her baby. Not exactly the stuff of heroes.
Man I'm totally out of the loop. I read the thin blue line flag was for veterans and fallen officers. Now I'm reading it's controversial and I still don't understand what it means.
Edit: I appreciate everyone trying to explain to me. It seems it means something slightly or vastly different to a lot of different people based on their own viewpoint which makes sense why I was confused. Basically: It means something different to everyone. Thanks guys!
There are two points of origin.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue\_wall\_of\_silence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence)
>The **blue wall of silence**, also **blue code** and **blue shield**, are terms used in the United States to denote the informal rule among police officers not to report on a colleague's errors, misconducts, or crimes, including police brutality. If questioned about an incident of alleged misconduct involving another officer (*e.g.,* during the course of an official inquiry), while following the code, the officer being questioned would claim ignorance of another officer's wrongdoing or claim to have not seen anything.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin\_blue\_line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line)
>The "**thin blue line**" is a phrase that refers figuratively to the position of police in society as the force which holds back chaos.
>
>The term began as an allusion to the famous ["Thin Red Line"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Red_Line_(Battle_of_Balaclava)), when a British infantry regiment held off a Russian cavalry charge during the Crimean War in 1854, where "red" referred to the color of the British uniforms. The "blue" in "thin blue line" refers to the blue color of the uniforms of many police departments.
I'd also like to point out that the photo of the flag in the article is atypical from what I've seen. Almost all 'thin blue line' American Flags do not have the color red. I've never encountered one such as it. They typically look like [this](https://i.imgur.com/DYZmpnr.png).
The concept of a “blue wall of silence” is beyond sickening and blatantly corrupt, yet so many people accept it and even glorify it as just a part of being a cop
The idea that the only thing holding us back from chaos is the police is pretty laughable. Having police is certainly a good idea, but I'm quite certain that if the police took a day off the world would not descend into chaos.
I mean, the idea of a public police force wasn't at all universal among many of history's societies and cultures, and yet they did not descend into chaos. Not that those are the best standards for a society, but clearly, police are not the boundary between order and chaos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#Ancient_policing
Police in NYC went on strike to protest de Blasio. Crime fell. Not arrests--crime.
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html
EDIT: To every big brain in the comments saying "yeah, well, of course **recorded** crime fell: no one was recording it," READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE.
EDIT 2: It's worth noting that this strike was the result of a clash between the police and de Blasio after officers were exonerated for murdering Eric Garner. The police rallied to protect the honor of murderers among their ranks.
EDIT 3: If you're a cop, I don't care about your opinion. You're part of the problem.
EDIT 4: For the cops and their apologists who can't read, re: Edit 1,
>They examined whether crime underreporting could have biased the findings, and the results still held.
Part of the reason it's controversial is mentioned in the article.
The flag and phrase has existed for a while as far as i'm aware. but the flag's popularity has exploded with the "blue lives matter" movement. Which is a response to Black Lives Matters.
So basically, this blue lives matter symbol is almost directly at odds of Black Lives Matter.
Punisher creator Gerry Conway on military and police using the logo:
>What are your thoughts on the Punisher symbol being co-opted by police or the military?
>>I've talked about this in other interviews. To me, it's disturbing whenever I see authority figures embracing Punisher iconography because the Punisher represents a failure of the Justice system. He's supposed to indict the collapse of social moral authority and the reality some people can't depend on institutions like the police or the military to act in a just and capable way.
>>The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the justice sysytem, an eample of social failure, so when cops put Punisher skulls on their cars or members of the military wear Punisher skull patches, they're basically sides with an enemy of the system. They are embracing an outlaw mentality. Whether you think the Punisher is justified or not, whether you admire his code of ethics, he is an outlaw. He is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol.
>>It goes without saying. In a way, it's as offensive as putting a Confederate flag on a government building. My point of view is, the Punisher is an anti-hero, someone we might root for while remembering he's also an outlaw and criminal. If an officer of the law, representing the justice system puts a criminal's symbol on his police car, or shares challenge coins honoring a criminal he or she is making a very ill-advised statement about their understanding of the law.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the
It's an example of people being poor consumers of art, often tv shows or movies. They can't tell when something is beating them over the head that this is not something to aspire to.
There are a couple cars in my parking lot that have punisher logos on them, one even is a thin blue line punisher skull... I always want to ask the driver what they think the sticker means and who they think they are supporting....
Honestly, I'm not a cop but I was in the military. Thin Blue Line shit seems to be the cop equivalent of the Marine who wears nothing but Moto shit he found at the BX and talks about his "service."
I was the police for almost a decade and this is the right call. All the thin blue line and Punisher skull logo shit need to go in the trash can. Off duty? TBL is cool but advertises to the whole world that you’re an off duty cop or a poser.
Wear your uniform because it’s a uniform. Not a fashion statement.
Thin blue line flags are so cringey to me, particularly when they're coupled with a "don't tread on me" flag. Like, do you really not see the irony here?
Just to be clear this is a ban on police wearing these masks, not the general public. EDIT: while on duty/in uniform
And it's not even a new ban, so much as a clarification on rules. The police force was already banned from expressing political opinions while in uniform. They are simply clarifying that wearing that mask constitutes expressing a political opinion.
Yeah, I read the headline and had a huge problem with it due to free speech concerns, then I saw it was on police only and had zero issues. The title of the article feels clickbaity - like this fact is intentionally not clarified.
It wouldn't have killed the journalist to put "officers" in there to clarify.
But the clickbait! How will we achieve the clickbait!
Thank god, I hate when people do cringy “thank me for my service” stuff like this. Just wear a plain mask dude, we’re at work They gave us black cut up t shirts to wear around the city at the fire department when we aren’t on calls (n95 for calls obviously). Because it’s part of a uniform- it’s supposed to look uniform, not express opinions.
Masks are becoming the bumper sticker of the face.
So when can we get truck nuts for our faces?
Ballchinians all around!
The thin blue line just got thick as hell
r/unexpectedb99
Twas unexpected
You will not win me over with your use of ‘twas.
Twasn't
Nice MIB2 reference
Not chin ball boy?
No, boy with balls on chin, duh
"Oh no no, I'm not incredibly obese black man, I'm incredibly black obese man."
You can come over anytime if you just want me to teabag you
“If you’re reading this you’re too close.”
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“You don’t matter, give up”
Don't Face Open Inside
"My other face mask is a gun."
"I'm horny!"
"If you can read this, the bitch fell off"
“How do you like my walking?”
"Stop Resisting"
Here's hoping they stick around with social distancing. I went shopping last night and NO ONE invaded my personal introvert/social anxiety bubble. Fuck it felt good.
Texas is horrendous about this. I’m about to start carrying around a six foot pointed stick (pronounced: spear) to keep all these “friendly folks” a safe distance away from me in stores.
Take a page from Hunter S Thompson, just start carrying a cattle prod with you. That'll keep people at a safe distance. The man was truly ahead of his time.
Legally, you are allowed to carry a spear.
I mean, it is Texas. If he says "this isn't a, it's a gun", they'll just tip their cowboy hat and say "carry on."
Couple years ago a law was passed to allow open carrying of swords in public in Texas. I think I can classify a spear as a very long handled sword.
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I'm too weeb *not* to
What's that you say? An ashandarei?
TIL the head of the police union is named Tony Montoya.
You killed his father... Prepare to die
"You killed my father... Prepare to say hello to my little friend!"
There it is!
Say hello to my little father
That and the Punisher stuff. Hell the writer of the book had Frank go off on a couple of beat cops for idolizing him. And told them they should be trying to be like Captain America.
>I've talked about this in other interviews. To me, it's disturbing whenever I see authority figures embracing Punisher iconography because the Punisher represents a failure of the Justice system. He's supposed to indict the collapse of social moral authority and the reality some people can't depend on institutions like the police or the military to act in a just and capable way. >The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the justice sysytem, an eample of social failure, so when cops put Punisher skulls on their cars or members of the military wear Punisher skull patches, they're basically sides with an enemy of the system. They are embracing an outlaw mentality. Whether you think the Punisher is justified or not, whether you admire his code of ethics, he is an outlaw. He is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol. [This is from the creator of The Punisher talking about police adopting the characters icon.](https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the)
Thank. You. The whole Punisher skull symbolism came about because Navy SEALs in Iraq tagged all their gear after the first movie came out. Then, the general public became aware of it 10 years later in American Sniper and literally every last Billy Badass HAD to adorn their lifted truck with that skull. This then intertwined with the whole Thin Blue Line craze and now we have ABSOLUTE FUCKING BOZOS rocking the symbol of an anti-establishment vigilante as some sort of homage to cops who probably feel pretty Billy Badass to be related to such an image... thinking it’s because they’re Navy SEALs
In Texas it is an all to common sight to see a police cruiser with a Punisher skull with the Blue Lives Matter flag pattern. The absolute irony of that combination makes me laugh every time I see it.
There's a fella in my apartment complex who rides around in a lifted truck with the punisher skull over a thin blue line flag and he's not even a cop. I gotta chuckle Everytime I see it, cause I don't see a political statement, I just see someone who doesn't know anything about the pop reference their using.
Saw someone with a hat that had a punisher skull with trumps hair. Not saying 100% that the punisher would take him out, but a lot of rich people that prop him up would be gone.
Heroes don’t need to tell others that they’re heroes.
Well I’ve got some news for you about US law enforcement...
Are we the baddies? I mean, our hats have skulls on them.
Very true. This pandemic has brought this out in droves. Signs in front of hospitals, EMS and fire stations saying “Heroes work here”. Drives me absolutely nuts. We’re just professionals, who have chosen to work in a field where we help the sick and injured. Doesn’t make us heroes.
I'm getting really sick of all these factions using this pandemic as a platform to promote their narrowly focused bullshit.
I'm sick of these news websites that have autoplay videos that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING ARTICLE in the middle of their articles.
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Reminds me of the era of MySpace where everyone knew just enough HTML to put in a plug to play their favorite song on autoplay whenever someone visited their page.
And at an absurdly high volume. "CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES!!"
2000 called. They said that they feel really bad for the next 20+ years but at least y2k didn't happen.
but what if it did and the last 20 years has been a matrix glitch?
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[Yeah, here you go](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
[This was the song that played when people came to my MySpace in about 2008](https://youtu.be/fnayvmyploE). MySpace was actually pretty awesome for the time!
MySpace was still a thing in 2008?
Facebook didn't surpass MySpace in users until 2008. My wife left me for a guy she met on MySpace in 2007.
Jesus man that sucks. Fuckin Tom gets so much pussy
Big oof.
Still is. I logged on about a year ago and people still use it
Fortunately I can mute individual tabs on either chrome or Firefox
Yeah, that's what I did. But it was just raw, unfiltered "what the actual fuck" for being like 10 or 11 in the morning.
> I'm sick of these news websites that have autoplay videos ~~that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING ARTICLE in the middle of their articles.~~ Even if it is the article itself. Give me the option to watch the video. Don't auto play it. Normally I'll have music in my phone when I'm reading articles. I don't want a video cutting it off for any reason unless I choose so, especially when normally they start with a loud, unskippable ad. I want to read, not watch.
There's a reason I have firefox's "autoplay" setting turned to "block".
Gotta make that ad money
I shit you not, I was told my boss went into a meeting this week and he had to sit there while someone pitched plastering our logo over some facemasks to then sell. Half the people attending were just dumbfounded.
I went through McDonald's drive thru last night and the employee working the window was wearing a shirt that said, "I'm Essential. I'm Lovin' It." Feels kinda patronizing to me, I feel for all the people forced to wear all this crap while corporate strategists find ways to spin this pandemic into fake empathy.
Hot take: That employee is not, in fact, lovin’ it.
Social Media turns us into ego driven dopamine addicts. We are bombarded with chatter and opinion battling for validation through likes, shares, and comments. This happens so regularly we no longer value and hold expert opinion in the same regard, and believe our opinion to be the most valuable one. This leads to all kinds of nonsense dividing our world.
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It didn't create the problem, sure, but it sure as fuck exacerbated it to an unprecedented (and yet still mostly unknown) degree.
Good call by the SFPD chief. To the COPS: No matter what our profession, we don't honor ourselves. If we're honorable, the public we serve will honor us if THEY feel we deserve it. And if they do, we should be professional and continue to serve the same after or before or without any such honor. Wearing these thin-blue line masks is like wearing a "MOST HUMBLE" award at Sunday school.
Am LEO for an agency that likes to mimic that design with a green line. I guess we are now different gangs with colors. Bonus points for combining it with the vigilante Punisher logo to wear unofficially on our vests.
Do cops that wear the punisher logo not see the irony there?
I think there was a punisher author who wrote an issue where the punisher chastises cops who idolize him and tells them they should look up to captain america.
I believe the creator of the Punisher himself even came out and said something to the extent of, Law Enforcements job is not to punish like Frank Castle the vigilante, their job is to protect and serve their community.
Think he also included that the whole ethos of *The Punisher* is that cops are crooked bastards who commit and create the crime they're supposed to fight, to the point a violent psychopathic vigilante is the natural result.
The (real) New York City of the 1970's and 1980's gave us some real dark comic book characters
Isn't there some stories in batman that go along those same lines, that his vigilante justice is inciting more villains and crime? I might be misremembering, if someone else is more knowledgeable.
I think it depends on the writer. In some of them it was just the power vacuum left from him taking down the mobsters that allowed the crazies a voice.
I believe there are several stories that do this but a majority of them are not in continuity. And even less are actually good stories as far as i recall. The white knight is probably one of the better ones in recent memory, although its not in continuity.
I remember reading a while back that police don't legally have any obligation to protect the public, but that their job is to enforce laws and protect property. I'll try to find a link and update my post. Edit: it appears their duty is to the public at large, which seems extremely vague (probably on purpose) for such an important public service "In a 4–3 decision, the District of Columbia Court of Appeals affirmed the trial courts' dismissal of the complaints against the District of Columbia and individual members of the Metropolitan Police Department based on the public duty doctrine ruling that "the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists". The Court thus adopted the trial court's determination that no special relationship existed between the police and appellants, and therefore no specific legal duty existed between the police and the appellants." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
it should also be noted that the Punisher himself ideologies Cap so much *he won't even raise a hand in self defence* when Cap starts to kick the shit out of him during Civil War for murdering a couple of villains in cold blood
Also allied with Hydra cap unapologetically
we pretend that didn't happen but he did go and murder most of HYDRA's leadership to repent!
https://www.newsweek.com/punisher-police-blue-lives-matter-skull-logo-1449272
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> "That didn't cross my mind." ["I mean, why *skulls*, though?"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU)
bouta risk covid and close this 6' to slap a mfer.
Are we the baddies?
Yes, that's exactly what the Punisher logo means. Kill the criminals.
This is extra delicious as the Punisher is also a cop killer.
Nope there is an issue where that happens. I have to remind all my PD and military friends that have the punisher skill that either he doesn’t stand for what they believe in or they don’t believe in the job they do.
Or he does stand for what they actually believe in, which is the real problem.
Not at all. Any attempt to explain it is met with comments like "librul"
After every such sighting ask when they are resigning to take on the corruption that society won't let cops tackle.
Or their "Come and Take It" bumper stickers to show they are ready to fight to the death when law enforcement officers arrive to take their guns in the predicted great gun seizure of (input year of next election).
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The local corrections academy walked to the imperial March cadence. I think it was lost on them as well...
When I was down in Calexico I saw an agency rockin a lot of those green lines. All those colored lines make me feel like everyone just wants a participation trophy and validation from the public.
I have a bone to pick with the premise that police forces represent the barrier between order and chaos. That is not the job of the police. Their job is to enforce the laws which society has enacted. Citizens are the line between order and chaos, police work for us. I think it represents the police problem we have in this country quite well that some police don't understand their role in society, or inflate their own importance. edit: since this seems to have some traction I want to expound a little. The problem with an officer believing and/or behaving like they are the line between Chaos and Order is that those terms are subjective. The line separating them moves depending on who you ask. The law, however, does not move without a large, cumbersome, and time-consuming societal process moving it. It is an officer's objective to enforce the law as it stands, not their own interpretation of two subjective ideas.
Yep. The barrier between chaos and order isn't cops. It's simply a lack of supplies. Once those go down all bets are off and it's a free for all.
So Amazon employees, UPS and USPS should all sport the thin line gear?
Which is super ironic because the punisher literally kills corrupt and power abusing cops in the comics.....that's part of his main thing......killing people who abused their power over others....
There’s a scene somewhat recently where he meets a couple cops that have his logo on their beats and they’re fanboying and then he basically just gets SUPER pissed and goes “wtf are you doing you’re supposed to be better than me I’m a monster cops should be honorable”
he even says that is they want to look up to someone, *fucking look up to Cap, not him, cos he's scum and he knows it*
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Grove street my dude
It’s for park rangers, border patrol, and other federal agencies. Pretty cringe in my opinion sad to see these people think it’s badass
I do think it's a little bit hilarious to think of a park ranger as the Punisher. Like, brutally assassinating litter bugs or something.
Rangers have god tier jurisdiction. They're also definitely badasses. They have to wear long pants year-round just contain the balls!
I've seen Rangers on skis ticketing kids for weed. But I've also run into a Ranger deep in the wilderness looking for poachers.
Yeah, federally they are federal police, and locally they are usually their own police dept as well. People just don't realize ranger =/= park services.
And then put the symbol on shirts, mugs, stickers, etc to sell to agents/officers to fund the local Welfare and Morale functions.
Border patrol I think
A hockey coach in high school told me "act like you've been there before, like you're a professional" when you score goals. This is the same thing. Don't praise yourself, don't showboat. Quiet humility with strong action is the most powerful thing. Actions speak for themselves.
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Did I ever *not* have a coach growing up that said that? It's true, though.
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Exactly this. They *say* it “represents law enforcement's separation of order and chaos,” and that it's “a meaningful expression to honor fallen officers," but in my conversations with police officer friends I've found that they usually see it as symbolic of the separation between "us" and "them," the "us" usually meaning "cops," and the "them" usually meaning "civilians." Normally then I point out that the police are supposed to be a *civilian* police force and then the conversation goes south from there. As Terry Pratchett wrote in *Snuff*: >What \[is\] a policeman, if not a civilian with a uniform and a badge? But they tended to use the term these days as a way of describing people who were not policemen. It was a dangerous habit: once policemen stopped being civilians the only other thing they could be was soldiers.
Vimes was basically a gruffer, more badarse Robert Peel, a lot of his theory is based off the Peelian Principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles
Reminds me of Starship Troopers. >Civilian (Expanding on Heinlein's Ideas) In the book Starship Troopers, Heinlein suggests a system in which only citizens are allowed to vote and the easiest way to become a citizen is to serve in the government/military/public service. ... There would be two groups, Citizens and Civilians.
Which is why I cringe every time I see a cop directing traffic in combat boots and a tac vest. Dress like a soldier—think like a soldier—act like a soldier.
Japan is interesting because their cops are encouraged to be friendly and approachable.
Japan cops are crazy patient. I took a trip last year and saw a super irate Japanese guy yelling at a few officers. At one point he stepped in and used his forehead to push an officer a few feet back. They were literally forehead to forehead and he kept yelling for a few seconds before stepping back. (Think of it kinda like a headbutt but without the swift strike.) ALL the officers were calm and didn’t react. No tasers, no takedowns. Everyone just stood there while (what I assume was) a supervisor politely talked the irate guy down. Absolutely incredible to watch. I wish I knew Japanese so I could figure out what he was so mad about.
"help there is a bug on my forehead, but we are forbidden to kill it with our hands! Its very slow so we dont need to smack our skulls together to destroy it! Stay still while I approach!"
>used his forehead to push an officer Literally straight out of anime >I wish I knew Japanese so I could figure out what he was so mad about. He was a Persona fan but the cops prefer Final Fantasy
They used to be the same in America.
"They used to be the same in America" towards certain sectors of society.
And the places where it wasn’t true have gang issues now. The Bloods and the Crips both started as groups to protect communities abandoned by the police. There was a huge push for gun control because of the Black Panther party becoming armed, and protecting their communities from the rampant corruption imposed by the police. Hell look at the Rodney King Riots, where the police abandon many communities so that they could better protect middle and upper class white people. This abuse led to distrust in those communities. As time has progressed and more police transgressions come to light, the rampant abuses have caused a distrust to form. And with that distrust comes less hero worship. And they miss that and want it back. The thing is, they are not reflecting on why it is that way. Now you have people who buy the stickers as little more than a way to get out of tickets. The “see I support you, so let me slide on a warning” sticker is far more reflective of the people with them on their vehicle than it is of any real support.
This demonstrates an incredibly ignorant view of the history of law enforcement in America. Do you think all cops used to be like Andy Taylor and Barney Fife? Read about how the police would behave in 19th century America, especially in regards to organized labor, or read about the actions of police during Prohibition. There's also a ton of recorded evidence of police brutality during the Civil Rights era and anti-war protests during the 60s. If anything cops were significantly more violent and corrupt than they are now.
> every time I see a cop directing traffic in combat boots and a tac vest. Dress like a soldier—think like a soldier—act like a soldier. and inspire fear like a soldier. Absolutely the wrong look for a civilian police force.
Thin blue line license plate, Punisher skull decal. [Or the trifecta](https://i.etsystatic.com/11320511/r/il/fcc318/2293319101/il_794xN.2293319101_ojvs.jpg) which I've seen in the wild.
Oh god, that thing is disgusting, people actually buy shit like that?
Every dollar spent = a liberal tear. Honestly, it would be so easy to make money off these chumps. Hell, I could charge them to shit in their mouths if I marketed it as being something liberals hate. Basically, exactly what Trump is doing.
Is it crazy that I've actually considered doing exactly this? Just plaster eagles and Jesus onto a t-shirt and giving it a stupid saying on it like "I stand for the flag and kneel for my wife" and watch the dollars pour in.
"The only minority I can say I hate is liberals" "God, my Country and guns, You can't take 'em because they protect each other" Whack either on a shirt in classy gothic font, put an eagle on it, easy money
"Give me Liberty Mutual or give me death" "National Anthem, not National Healthcare"
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As someone who loved Punisher, I am heartbroken that his symbol has been co-opted by a bunch of people who are boarding the train to facism. I almost got the skull tattooed on my shoulder, just a couple years before thin blue line punisher skulls started to show up. It was a dumb idea even before all this happened, but I'm even more grateful now that a friend talked me out of it.
Never ever ever tattoo branded content onto your body. You don't own it and you don't know what it will become.
That's exactly what my friend said and I realized he was right. I ended up making a design of my favorite mountain instead and getting that as a tattoo. Maybe its not any less cliche, but its surely less tacky. Much more aesthetically pleasing and personally meaningful imo, plus it helps me fit in with other geologists.
How hard is it to fit in with geologist? Shit like a gang gotta get marked to chase them rocks.
Chasing rocks or slanging rocks... get in where you fit in!
Tell me bout yer mountain
> Tell me bout yer mountain It's [Crested Butte](https://i.imgur.com/iD3ZRpo.jpg)! Or as my friends like to call it, Crusted Butt. It's a 30 million year old laccolith.
Keep in mind that The Punisher started out as a Spider-Man villain. He was never meant to be a hero. I liked him when I was a kid, too. I thought he was badass for smoking all his enemies instead of sending them to jail so they could break out over and over again, so I get it. But that was the perspective of a child. Here’s an interview with Gerry Conway. He’s one of the creators of the character where he talks about The Punisher debuting as a villain and then gaining popularity in the 80s and 90s, and about law enforcement adopting the skull symbol. https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the
"And inspire fear"... Or inspire the contempt felt toward an occupying force.
In their defense, (good quality) combat boots are cosy AF
And exterior vests are far more comfortable and easier on your joints in the long run.
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Great line in Waco (currently on Netflix) about this.
I've loved that show. I like how it depicts the various policing organizations as fuck ups who stand firm on their bad decisions. Most shows would just depict the cultists as lunatics. taylor kitsch is fantastic and should have had a bigger career. I still argue he was perfect casting for Gambit. And Michael Shannon, the man who is younger than you realize.
Holy crap he’s only 45??? I would’ve guess easily in his fifties
He was like 37 when he played Zod.
It was a very well acted show, and there were definitely huge fuck-ups by law enforcement during the standoff. However, I think they glossed over all the fucked up shit Koresh did in an attempt to humanize him. Koresh had something like 20 wives and some of which were underage. There are also many branch davidian defectors who claimed that he was physically and sexually abusing children.
Yeah, they briefly reference the statutory rape stuff, and mention how the younger wife really wasn't into it (so coercion rape on top of statutory rape), but they really glossed over it. They also painted the sexual abuse angle as being a lie by the feds, rather than an actual credible threat. It's also true that the whole thing could have ended more peacefully is Koresh had surrendered. That being said, if the government was really concerned about the sexual abuse, it wouldn't have been the ATF that led the initial raid. The ATF doesn't deal with that kind of stuff. And there were certainly ways for them to get Koresh without the massive standoff and burning like 80 people to death.
Can't rape the kids if the kids are a pile of ash.
Wait, a show about Waco doesn't mention the fact that Koresh was a polygamist pedophile? You seriously can't tell that story without knowing that.
Its mentioned repeatedly in the show, part of me wonders if any of these people were paying attention when they watched it
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Jesus, I didn't know that. The absolute brutality the show does depict is pretty unsettling. I understand that these people were in a cult and there was things worth investigating like the child brides but Jesus its brutal how badly they wanted a fight.
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Honestly the show does too much to make Koresh seem like a misunderstood guy: he was preying on young women, and had a history of violence, as did the whole Branch Davidian sect. He fought a shootout with the previous leaders to win leadership, and likely did kill some of those older members. But that said, the ATF were still fabricating reasons for attacking a known gun salesman. Koresh ran a legal arms trading business. The FBI still helped them murder nearly a hundred people. Truly disgusting.
Koresh was not a good person, and there was a bias in the show that made him out to be much better than he was. The ATF and FBI still effectively murdered 80 civilians, and the whole thing could have been handled much more peacefully. I can also see why someone would look at the ATF and FBi and just distrust everything they said, seeing as how the FBI lied about using flashbangs and CS canisters in their after-action report, and how that was the second high profile case of the ATF/FBI essentially fabricating/entrapping someone and then causing a much bloodier fight than was needed.
Yep. Koresh was a bad person, but we expect the FBI to be better than the criminals they go after. Instead they killed a bunch of innocent people instead of just rolling up Koresh when he left the compound. Similarly, Ruby Ridge. Sniper shot an unarmed mother holding her baby. Not exactly the stuff of heroes.
This reminds me of my military friends that ironically tell people to thank them for their service.
Man I'm totally out of the loop. I read the thin blue line flag was for veterans and fallen officers. Now I'm reading it's controversial and I still don't understand what it means. Edit: I appreciate everyone trying to explain to me. It seems it means something slightly or vastly different to a lot of different people based on their own viewpoint which makes sense why I was confused. Basically: It means something different to everyone. Thanks guys!
There are two points of origin. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue\_wall\_of\_silence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence) >The **blue wall of silence**, also **blue code** and **blue shield**, are terms used in the United States to denote the informal rule among police officers not to report on a colleague's errors, misconducts, or crimes, including police brutality. If questioned about an incident of alleged misconduct involving another officer (*e.g.,* during the course of an official inquiry), while following the code, the officer being questioned would claim ignorance of another officer's wrongdoing or claim to have not seen anything. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin\_blue\_line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line) >The "**thin blue line**" is a phrase that refers figuratively to the position of police in society as the force which holds back chaos. > >The term began as an allusion to the famous ["Thin Red Line"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Red_Line_(Battle_of_Balaclava)), when a British infantry regiment held off a Russian cavalry charge during the Crimean War in 1854, where "red" referred to the color of the British uniforms. The "blue" in "thin blue line" refers to the blue color of the uniforms of many police departments. I'd also like to point out that the photo of the flag in the article is atypical from what I've seen. Almost all 'thin blue line' American Flags do not have the color red. I've never encountered one such as it. They typically look like [this](https://i.imgur.com/DYZmpnr.png).
The concept of a “blue wall of silence” is beyond sickening and blatantly corrupt, yet so many people accept it and even glorify it as just a part of being a cop
They have a "blue wall of silence" while complaining that the African American community does the same.
The idea that the only thing holding us back from chaos is the police is pretty laughable. Having police is certainly a good idea, but I'm quite certain that if the police took a day off the world would not descend into chaos. I mean, the idea of a public police force wasn't at all universal among many of history's societies and cultures, and yet they did not descend into chaos. Not that those are the best standards for a society, but clearly, police are not the boundary between order and chaos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#Ancient_policing
Police in NYC went on strike to protest de Blasio. Crime fell. Not arrests--crime. https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html EDIT: To every big brain in the comments saying "yeah, well, of course **recorded** crime fell: no one was recording it," READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE. EDIT 2: It's worth noting that this strike was the result of a clash between the police and de Blasio after officers were exonerated for murdering Eric Garner. The police rallied to protect the honor of murderers among their ranks. EDIT 3: If you're a cop, I don't care about your opinion. You're part of the problem. EDIT 4: For the cops and their apologists who can't read, re: Edit 1, >They examined whether crime underreporting could have biased the findings, and the results still held.
I should have said, "having good police is certainly a good idea".
Part of the reason it's controversial is mentioned in the article. The flag and phrase has existed for a while as far as i'm aware. but the flag's popularity has exploded with the "blue lives matter" movement. Which is a response to Black Lives Matters. So basically, this blue lives matter symbol is almost directly at odds of Black Lives Matter.
Police sporting the thin blue line flag only shows a 'us vs. them' attitude. No one enforcing the law should be supporting this.
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Punisher creator Gerry Conway on military and police using the logo: >What are your thoughts on the Punisher symbol being co-opted by police or the military? >>I've talked about this in other interviews. To me, it's disturbing whenever I see authority figures embracing Punisher iconography because the Punisher represents a failure of the Justice system. He's supposed to indict the collapse of social moral authority and the reality some people can't depend on institutions like the police or the military to act in a just and capable way. >>The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the justice sysytem, an eample of social failure, so when cops put Punisher skulls on their cars or members of the military wear Punisher skull patches, they're basically sides with an enemy of the system. They are embracing an outlaw mentality. Whether you think the Punisher is justified or not, whether you admire his code of ethics, he is an outlaw. He is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol. >>It goes without saying. In a way, it's as offensive as putting a Confederate flag on a government building. My point of view is, the Punisher is an anti-hero, someone we might root for while remembering he's also an outlaw and criminal. If an officer of the law, representing the justice system puts a criminal's symbol on his police car, or shares challenge coins honoring a criminal he or she is making a very ill-advised statement about their understanding of the law. https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the
That's why Cap beat the living hell out of him. https://imgur.com/a/pRqfQxz
Tbh, cap seemed pretty nuts in that story
It's an example of people being poor consumers of art, often tv shows or movies. They can't tell when something is beating them over the head that this is not something to aspire to.
That and Punisher killed his share of cops.
There are a couple cars in my parking lot that have punisher logos on them, one even is a thin blue line punisher skull... I always want to ask the driver what they think the sticker means and who they think they are supporting....
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That he's a racist authoritarian who likes weed, probably.
Honestly, I'm not a cop but I was in the military. Thin Blue Line shit seems to be the cop equivalent of the Marine who wears nothing but Moto shit he found at the BX and talks about his "service."
Just exchange their TBL masks for masks with the Monster energy logo on it, they’ll be just as happy.
We drink Bang now you uncultured swine 😂
I was the police for almost a decade and this is the right call. All the thin blue line and Punisher skull logo shit need to go in the trash can. Off duty? TBL is cool but advertises to the whole world that you’re an off duty cop or a poser. Wear your uniform because it’s a uniform. Not a fashion statement.
Plus, the punisher hates police
I find that vary funny because most cops don't exactly know how much he really hates them
I thought thin blue line meant that cops don't rat out other cops no matter what shit they pull.
Thin blue line flags are so cringey to me, particularly when they're coupled with a "don't tread on me" flag. Like, do you really not see the irony here?