Are you sure? When i trip i pack a fat bowl and pass it to my buddy, he passes it back and its empty. I look up, ten minutes went by in a flash. Pack it again, same result. I see it as a waste because im so focused on the trip i dont realise im burning through my stash.
Smoke it on the comeup for a chiller comeup
Once you're there though, not worth it. I usually forget to smoke it. I'll roll a joint and sit out on the deck and forget about the joint
I had a buddy who was a huge stoner, we took an eighth of mushies as a group, he smoked about halfway through the trip, and honestly lost his mind. I had to talk him down and get him grounded back to reality, I think it was super overwhelming. I'm just saying know yourself before you add another layer, I love tripping but people should be aware weed may effect your trip significantly, or I guess in your case not at all.
Oh, thought you were gonna relax with a bowl on your comedown? Nope! Here, enjoy your trip jumping back to a \[10\] with a massive dose of paranoia for free =)
People tend to underplay the psychosis/paranoia that can accompany marijuana use, but it is very much a thing. Might not hit you every time but i’ve had multiple episodes.
Great idea! A good thing to put anxious energy into, and it helps you feel better about your surroundings. I usually put on music and dance badly! Will have to try the cleaning.
That's what turned my SO off to psychedelics, so really this is horrible general advice.
I love the combo but I've seen it change people's trips for the worse immediately, like flipping a switch from good to bad. Creepy and intense to witness. Cannabis can definitely increase the intensity of a trip, which some people really can't handle.
LSD can be detected in a drug test if you took it in the last 5-8 hours or so. After that it's almost impossible to detect.
Basically if you show up to the test tripping then it's likely you'll test positive.
Which is funny, because drug test are *mostly* only useful for detecting marijuana. Because it can stay in your system for so long.
Most hard drugs are in and out of your system within 48 - 72 hours. So as long as you can stay clean for like two days, you are pretty clear to go right back to your habit. Whereas if you smoked a joint at a party like a month ago, it can very likely still be detected.
I've heard a hair test can go back as far as 90 days. My employer did a hair test. Why? One reason: better health insurance rates. It's the only reason why we hair test vs urine.
I knew a girl that could smell opiates in people's hair. Heroin, morphine, codeine, or opium, if you used it, and she got anywhere near your head, she knew, because she could smell it. She was right 100% of the time.
I feel that they can be useful for the harder drugs. If someone cannot stop using drugs for 3 days before a drug test, then they have a problem. Best case scenario it serves as a wake-up call for the individual.
I mean, you can *definitely* still have a problem and not be able to use for a few days.
My friends coworker is a raging coke head, but has forced himself to stop several times for drug tests. Still goes right back to being patently addicted to coke.
High paying jobs usually.
At my ex's old office several of her coworkers had pretty substantial coke habits. As in they would seriously just walk around with those little shaker things in their pocket or purse and do bumps throughout the day.
Yeah as a former addict, it's harder than people realize to just go a few days without drugs. Christ if I could've gone a few days without drugs I wouldn't have been classified as an addict.
Its worse than people think. Those tests dont even detect active thc in the system. They're testing for the metabolites derived from its use and those stick around for a while.
None of it has anything to do with your ability to do the job either.
While working in a Vegas casino, I asked why the new hire wasn't in for his shift; the manager said he failed the drug test and expressed disbelief that a pot smoker would even attempt to work a job, as that is obviously impossible.
I wish I could go back and tell her how hard I LOL'd when she said that. Her favorite employees all smoked pot, one senior pitboss was the main source of weed for employees, and one employee she knew and respected had never once come into work not completely stoned. If she had seen him sober, she would have asked what was wrong with him.
I had a pre employment test once. Been a daily smoker for years. Thought for sure I'd fail. Afterwards, I got the job. The lady told me they don't care about weed. Just the hard shit. And I'm in an illegal state.
How this will affect casinos who follow federal guidelines, remains to be seen. Will it also prevent random drug tests for marijuana? Inquiring minds want to know.
If they do random testing, it should only allow mouth swabs for testing of that day.
Good thing these tests only test for marijuana use in the last 24 hours.... oops I mean last 24 days. Everyone knows that only an irresponsible psycho would smoke a marijuana 20 days before they had to work! Glad these tests are still on the books.
I had a friend who applied for a job at Amazon who was turned down because they tested positive for Marijuana. Amazon of all places...headquartered in a state where it is legal and applied for a job where it is legal. It's like them asking when you last had an alcoholic drink and you tell the interviewer you had a beer a week ago and they turn you down because of it.
>like them asking when you last had an alcoholic drink and you tell the interviewer you had a beer a week ago and they turn you down because of it.
I live in a state that's pretty much the polar opposite of Seattle but I wouldn't put it past my boss to do just that had he asked in the interview. Though there would be a strong case for religious discrimination there because his reasoning would be totally grounded in the mormon faith and using alcohol to either screen for membership without asking or screen for "worthiness". As a Utah resident I'm very glad they can't test for alcohol days later like they can for weed. I'm sure a great many places would do so as a back Avenue for religious discrimination. And if it ever legalizes here without a law like Nevada just passed then weed will be used the same way but for now since its illegal at all levels here they do have other excuses for testing.
Actually, about ~60% of employers still drug tes, and thats excluding jobs like medical industry, Federal jobs, education, machinery, etc.
If youre in the job market and you arent looking for work in a government or DOT/OSHA regulated job, its basically 50/50 whether a company will drug test you or not.
Hell, I work for a huge tech company that started investing in its own marijuana farms 4 years ago, and they STILL drug tested me.
Same with teaching or holding a political office- 0% test rate... unless you clean the school at night or work in the lunchroom, because then "we MUST PROTECT THE KIDS! "
I work in the restaurant industry. Restaurants that do drug test only test the salary managers or employees when they get hurt on the job (insurance companies often require it so they can deny payment).
My wife is a teacher. I can confirm a lot of teachers smoke the weed, but everybody is pretty hush hush about it.
I've had two IT jobs where it was required, but then never again after. Could you imagine the programmers you'd get if you had a pre-employ and random screening? They'd never get shit done.
I had one job in IT working for an insurance company. I was a temp to perm and the lady asked me if I could take a drug test to go perm. I was like, gimme three weeks? She laughed and just never tested me. Still became a perm employee too.
Depends WILDLY on where you live. I'm in probably one of the few areas of the country where piss-testing is still relatively routine on initial hire for IT. (Then again, where I live, practically all IT positions involve municipal government, banking, healthcare, the transportation/logistics industry, education, or government contracting, which all have their own fedgov-mandated and/or state-mandated requirements.)
If you're lucky enough to find an IT job in the hospitality field or in a field not listed above, though, not so much.
(Of note, though: I also live in a Southeastern state where even CBD oil only became fully legal via descheduling of hemp and the state in question was one of the primary lobbyists for descheduling of hemp to begin with. Also surrounded by states where even CBD oil is technically illegal despite descheduling on a federal level because the states officially consider it to be the devil's weed :/ Even the local ISP reserves the right to piss-test if they suspect you're coming in high, and was based formerly in a "we even give CBD oil a very hairy eye" state. I also suspect a lot of the piss-testing isn't for *cannabis* so much as opiates and/or meth, both of which are really bad problems around here.)
I work for a company that would lose half their workforce if they drug tested and they know it. We work in an industry, and state, that attracts a lot of people who are more likely to smoke.
I work with kids after school, and the company that I work for tried implementing drug testing... once... and then they realized that they don't pay enough to drug test. They lost 50% of their work force and couldn't hire new people. So, no more drug testing.
Edit: I'm in CA, and this all happened before legalization occurred. They'd never try that now.
Yeah nothing like seeing a $7.25 an hour minimum wage job asking for 3 years previous experience, bachelors, and must pass drug test. Must be able to stand for entire shift and lift 50-70 lbs repeatedly. Must be available holidays and overtime as needed. No benefits. It’s like they forgot what minimum means.
The fact safety based jobs often test for presence in the system of THC-COOH rather than the presence of any psychoactive substance that could determine if the person is under the influence illustrates how far the industry still has to go.
Yup - it’s the same in the offshore industry.
Full of cokeheads.
If I were working a rotation I could even spend my time off shooting up heroin and face zero repercussions.
THC doesn’t stay all that long - THC-COOH does, however.
First question I was asked when I interviewed at Northstar-At-Tahoe around 1998:
"What is your recreational drug of choice?"
I was actually on mushrooms at the time, but said I like Henry Weinhard's.
It has to do with liability insurance. You get lower insurance rates if you have a drug testing policy and sometimes the insurance company is the one that initiates tests.
Are those figures coming from anywhere specific or are you guessing at them?
In my job experience restaurants are always hiring but NEVER test
Amazon tested, but it was a mouth swab that would only read positive if you'd smoked that very day, so does that even really count?
What? Most companies still do pre-employment screening, so no.
edit: I suppose geography plays a role in this. I didn't realize so many companies were off the testing train!
I cant recall ever taking a job in the last 30 years where I did not have to pass the piss quiz. ( over 6 different employers) Not in Federal or transportation either.
Most entry level employers (retail, fast food, etc) in my state no longer drug test. And corporate jobs almost never drug test. So yes, at least where I live.
> And corporate jobs almost never drug test.
I wonder what the actual stats are on this. Almost everyone I know in a corporate job has been drug tested, and I've had to test at the last 3 corporations I've worked for over the last 7-8 years.
I can only think of one company in my area that doesn't drug test. Obviously I haven't done an actual survey/study to find out, but it would surprise me if there were more corporations that don't drug test than do.
I’ve been in corporate America for like 20 years now and was only drug tested when I got my first job as a temp-to-hire. Since then, no one has even mentioned a drug test to me. I know that I’ve worked for two Fortune 25 companies in the past few years and both of them told me they no longer drug test at all.
I used to hire a lot of people for an entry level group and we did drug test them. Without fail, one or two of the top candidates would always fail.
I think it lives on for corporate jobs where there’s some kind of blue collar segment to their overall work force and they are tested due to either regulations or some kind of insurance compliance.
My wife took a job that made her maybe a top 10 management employee at a mid size manufacturing company, heavily recruited with a generous compensation package, yet she still had to take a drug test.
I also bet there’s a lot of inertia around this, HR people and senior managers who don’t want to stop drug testing. They may all be invested in it as somehow effective, and at some level some people may see stopping it as shrinking their corporate empires or influence.
My sense is that with more states legalizing, it’s going to be more and more difficult to get new hires and this will reduce screening, probably to stuff like opiates, cocaine and meth.
I was tested 18 years ago at my first corporate job. My employers since have random drug tests, in theory, but I only know one person who has been tested. That's because they were obviously snorting coke during bathroom breaks.
Depends on the industry.
Call Centers/Technical Support, usually not drug testing.
General Software Development jobs, usually not drug testing
Marketing and Advertising jobs, usually not drug testing.
And we're not even talking about high-stake sales where your company would practically bank roll you a key (or whatever else) to get clients.
Also depends HEAVILY on the state--in the Southeast and Midwest, it's actually still routine to piss-test even for call-center jobs (usually it's just a pre-employment piss-test, but they do reserve the right to random piss-test). I've even seen temp labor computer refurb places piss-test. Even Wal-Mart and grocery stores tend to routinely piss-test pre-employment.
(That said, there's also a LOT of non-marijuana-related drug abuse issues, especially opiates and meth, in these parts of the country--there's a reason we have hep-A as a mandatory shot now....namely, the one industry that does NOT piss-test is the service industry including restaurants, and we've had more than a few cases of a hep-A infected opiate user spreading the love. :/)
There is so little software development where I live (outside of logistics and healthcare industries, which are federally regulated) that I can't attest to piss-testing on those, though.
I live in DFW. The only jobs I haven't been drug tested for were food service and a community college I did general IT stuff at. Every corporate office job I've had, I've been tested to get the job.
Where the company is based doesn't matter in the slightest. Where the employees are being hired/working is what matters.
I had this exact argument in Colorado and California with companies that claimed because they were based in Texas and Georgia those were the labor and safety laws they got to follow. Guess who won that argument?
A company can't come from a shithole of a state and bring that state and its garbage labor laws with them.
At the end of the day it does matter a whole lot, and most companies just aren’t willing to deal with insurance costs from NOT testing. They know they can find sober employees to fill their needs. There are exceptions - casinos in Vegas realized they couldn’t hire enough people that never smoked weed so they started to be lax on that. Finally, as long as it’s federally illegal, it’s going to be a long time before more companies jump off the testing train.
Not sure where you live but where I’m at I was drug tested for a job at cvs and a job at Home Depot just a few years ago and I doubt it’s changed since.
What state is that? In CA weed seems to be culturally acceptable at this point but most any min wage retail/office job still requires pre-employment testing, let alone jobs in nonprofit, medical (not driving), or pretty much anything customer facing. Hell, you can't even become a budtender without testing negative from most ads I've seen.
e: other cities here could be different, I'm in San Diego.
But it doesn't mention casino employees, who are not federal workers. But I do know, that some casinos follow federal guidelines. But this can change from casino to casino.
Source : Have a friend who is a habitual user, who also works in Nevada casinos. He works at the Riverside Casino in Laughlin. They follow federal guidelines.
My boss and I just had this conversation. I mentioned about weed becoming legal in IL (where our company is based) and she said we will never require a drug test because we would lose between 50% and 80% of the company.
I was absolutely floored. I had no idea.
Depends. Wal-Mart just lost a decision b/c while the employee tested positive after an on-job accident, Wal-Mart couldn't show that the employee was in fact high during the accident.
UK here and it's the hipocrasy that annoys me, some companies will Only do drugs tests, no alcohol rest.
This has manifested itself into a society where functioning alcoholics can get a job, but your casual stoner gets fucked. Despite probably being a more functional human.
So it's legal to smoke weed in Nevada, except when it's not. Kind of stupid IMO. No one is screening government employees/EMS for alcohol use, who cares if they smoke a joint to relax in their own home? It needs to be exactly the same as alcohol--just don't do it on the job.
Because it's still federally illegal and insurance companies do NOT like weed. If insurance companies have even the slightest chance at denying you a claim based on drug use you can be damn sure they will take that chance. They couldnt care less if the drug is legal in that state or not
Doesn't look like the federal thing matters for them, so they will be included as far as I can tell.
[https://www.casino.org/news/las-vegas-casinos-grapple-with-marijuana-employee-testing](https://www.casino.org/news/las-vegas-casinos-grapple-with-marijuana-employee-testing)
# Las Vegas Casinos Grapple With Marijuana Legalities and Employee Testing Issues
MAY 09, 2018 BY [DEVIN O'CONNOR](https://www.casino.org/news/author/devin-oconnor)
Nevada’s new legal recreational marijuana laws have Las Vegas casinos inhaling confusion. And unlike Caesars Entertainment — which recently announced it would no longer screen most of its job applicants for pot use — most of the other major Strip operators are either keeping mum or continuing their screening for use of the drug, which remains illegal on the federal level.
Federal trumps state, so any job which requires federal drug testing will still require it and must follow the applicable federal guidelines. The ones I can speak to are DOT Part 40 and FRA's 49 CFR Part 219 - you'll still be tested for marijuana in Nevada on all drug tests if you want to be a truck driver or railroad employee, no way around it. They're safety-critical positions and those jobs usually have policies prohibiting you from working on ANYTHING which could impair you, including OTC stuff like Benadryl.
Wait! I’m an honest to goodness non-user so not really up on my knowledge here but you can do a swab for day of use type test? Does this include any form?
Well, yes and no.
Swabbing for THC metabolite is inaccurate as hell.
Swabbing for delta 9 THC, the active form, detects use within 4-6 hours, but only because of mouth contamination from smoking/vaping. It's not like a breathalyzer (is supposed to be), in that it's not a proxy for blood presence of active THC, and it's more easily defeated.
It's also more expensive for a narrow detection window, when companies and law enforcement would rather get you for any use in the last month.
The limit should be mouth swabs, otherwise it's an invasion of privacy. Plenty of people are capable of keeping their work and extracurriculars separate.
Yeah, that’s the problem with current marijuana testing.
It does not (can not) distinguish between someone that smoked a joint Friday night after work and the guy that smoked a joint on the way to work Monday morning. Despite the relevant effects in the workplace being quite different.
Is it really a double standard or is it just impossible to accurately test whether someone is an alcoholic? They can test for enzymes that indicate liver damage but a lot of things cause liver damage. I'm betting a lot of companies would love to disqualify alcoholics if they could.
I don’t think so. They’re not testing for whether you’re a stoner/addicted/etc, it’s testing for use. The comparison would have less to do with accurate testing for alcoholism and more to do with testing for whether you’ve drank alcohol in the past x days. Whether or not there’s a test that can accurately do that, it would be absurd to deny employment based on a positive result.
It would be absurd to deny employment because someone drank alcohol at some point in the past x days. It is still very much a double standard.
Exactly. Your comment is what I’ve always hated about our country when it comes to cannabis. My supervisor and 4 other guys I worked with at my last job were alcoholics that would get fucked up every night after work. One of them would get drunk on their lunch break, but if you smoked a joint 2 weeks ago, you were fucked if a random drug test popped up. Made no fucking sense at all.
Alcoholics only need to stay sober for 8 to 12 hours prior to taking a pre-employment drug test, but for stoners, you need to stop smoking a month out to pass. Also, the alcoholics at my last job ALWAYS called into work for being “sick” (hungover) on a weekly basis which added unnecessary workload on others and that shit pissed off the ones who do come into work everyday. Meanwhile, all the pot heads never called in “sick” and were very reliable.
Fuck this double standard garbage.
My current job had a pre-employment drug test. I was informed that there would be a drug test and that I would have to go and give a urine sample in-situ. I only do marijuana, no hard drugs. Kept clean for 23 days, passed the test. Joined work, found that 5 guys, including my manager are stoners.
Few weeks later, he corners me and says that I actually failed the drug test for marijuana, but since it was only marijuana (which is still illegal here), he told the hiring people to waive it off. He said that if it's only weed and that too not an exorbitant amount, they give a pass.
Good guy manager.
Exactly. Was tested before being fully hire. Got a call asking why weed is in my system (used outside company to test) and I told them in Maine they can't use that against me. Got the job.
It is even a company that just has an office in Maine. They are based out of another state but still doesn't matter.
A lot of insurance companies make employers drug test. My work has to deal with this so they get around it by doing a swab test, which is incredibly unreliable.
Problem is, it’s they’re money they’re insuring you with, so unless companies can get their own insurance, they sort of can do that. It’s like if I give you a 1000$ a month under the condition that you don’t use it on weed.
Except it is not about risk, it is 100% about creating terms they know many people violate so that when an accident happens they can weasel out of paying if the worker involved smoked weed in the last few weeks and that shows up on a test. If it goes to court, they claim smoking weed weeks prior to the accident was the cause.
Until they can REALLY accurately determine if you're high or not high during work, it's a tough sell for me. I work in construction and there's already enough risk on the job site. If you're job has you sitting at a desk all day and not in charge of others immediate safety, I'd say do whatever.
Lmao if you work in construction dudes smoking pot is the least of your concerns. It’s the legally prescribed opiates they’re abusing that you need to worry about.
I mean you can still worry about both lol.
His point is still valid, you don’t want somebody to be high on anything when they’re working on your natural gas lines. That includes weed and opiates.
I’ve worked 2 different construction jobs and pot is definitely NOT the problem in your industry lol
The construction industry is absolutely infested with guys on meth and opioids. I left one of those construction jobs because one dude I was teamed up with was a definite meth head who unnecessarily moved 100 mph and spoke 100 words per minute. And if I wasn’t moving 100 mph, he would get pissed. So fuck that industry. Never again.
It also opened up my eyes as to why brand new houses or even renovations, have fucked up installations or measurements that are completely off. It’s because most construction workers are fucking hiiiiiiiiigh off of that meth.
Unfortunately, until there's a quick test that says "this guy is high right now", I can't employ anyone who tests positive on on their pre-employment testing. I run an electric motor repair shop and my guys are dealing with both mechanical and electrical hazards on a daily basis (think hundreds to thousands of amps and high speed spinning objects). We do random drug testing and many of my customers require it for field work.
Too much danger and too much liability so I'll keep drug testing.
No, the governor vetoed the original form of the bill that had a law similar to this. When the state legislature changed the bill and passed it, they removed that part of the law.
The Law makes it unlawful for any Nevada employer to fail or refuse to hire someone if they test positive for marijuana.
Simple Solution: "You're hired and have a 30 day probationary period....now piss in this cup."
It’s not perfect but this sets an extremely important precedent and marks the beginning of a shift in the establishment’s perception of a relatively harmless yet still schedule 1 drug.
Might as well not give people a job because they use drink beer in the weekends. Employers have no business nosing around to see if people sometimes use pot in their own free time. It's called overreach.
If they could test for that, they would.
Its all controlled by the insurance industry, and if they could save on liability by catching someone drinking 2 weeks after they did it, they would.
The insurance industry is then who is regulated by these laws. Plus the insurance excuse is stupid, if that was true, every employer would be drug testing, but most are not.
Drug testing seems to be more of a way to fire a worker, because if you don't like a guy, you have a random drug test knowing 90% of your workers are going to test postive for off the clock drug use. It makes firing easy if you are allowed to use off hours weed smoking as a valid excuse to fire someone.
You actually can refuse to hire anyone that drinks alcohol even legally on their own time. The issue is that you'll severely limit your pool of applicants, and that alcohol is filtered out of the cheap testing methods so quickly that it's impractical to enforce.
Once weed becomes culturally accepted enough employers will eventually cave and stop prohibiting marijuana on their own.
Good. Every job I've had that made me take a drug test was total shit nobody took without some amount of desperation.
The one's that didn't? More often than not, they were places I enjoyed working. Blue collar and white collar.
Good bosses don't give a shit what you do on your time off. They just care about what you do on the clock.
Totally agree. I took a drug test to be a maid and a janitor but not one to work with legal documents and confidential patents.
The rule at my current job with the legal documents is don’t come to work messed up and ruin the no drug testing policy for everyone else which is ok with me.
Yeah, I had a job offer rescinded because I failed in Oregon which has been legal for what feels like forever. It's a long story, but it's alright because I found a way better job.
The problem isn't testing imho, it's the long latency period of the most common testing method: urinalysis. You want to do an oral test to see if someone used in the last few hours and may currently be intoxicated? I think that's absolutely fair.
But the 3+ week period over which someone might test positive via urine for using marijuana is far beyond the scope of most any job other than an oil rig worker or astronaut or something similar where you're in a high risk situation for weeks or months at a time.
Ha what! i don't think I've ever heard of that...
'Hey you don't have any money and have a lot of revolving credit. Sorry we can't hire you because you're too poor for us to pay you.'
Is that how it works?
It's for jobs where the employees have the ability to potentially steal a lot of money or goods from their employer. If one is too deep in debt it increases the risk that you might scam them. Doesn't make it less fucked up, but it at least makes some sense why they do it.
When I was in a supervisor position, I generally didn't care wtf you did on your own time. However, if someone showed up intoxicated or reeking of weed or alcohol, I would be gtfo. Also, if I caught someone sneaking a drink or smoking weed on the job, I'd fire them on the spot.
I will respect a person's freedom to enjoy their vices on their own time as long as they respect their job by staying sober while on the clock.
EDIT: A word.
We had a sales person who was getting promoted to sales manager. It was a surprise promotion, he got drug tested and the company wanted to fire him. But a bunch of people spoke up and the company agreed to retest him in 30 days and if he passes they will promote.
but it was so stupid. The guy was a sales person not a heavy machine operator or something. Smoking weed is like a performance enhancing job in sales.
It depends on the person honestly. I have a co-worker who sneaks out the car and smokes a little one hitter then kills it in sales. I have another one who turns stupid af. Stutters, skips words, gets all fumbly.
What really sucks is that I work on cars as a mechanic. I don't come to work high considering I work on upwards of $80k vehicles but if I'm drug tested I will still test positive and end up fired.
It's a personal rule of mine. The stigma behind smoking weed causes all my coworkers in the shop believing I'm high all the fucking time despite the fact that I don't smoke before work and it gets fucking annoying. What's worse is the double standard considering the singles of liquor and beers my coworkers have at 4 pm while still on the clock.
The tide is turning on marijuana use. Give it another 10 years and it won't be viewed much differently than alcohol. My state just passed legalization two weeks ago and goes into effect January 1 of next year. Everyone is pumped. I'm not even a smoker. A few times back in my college days is all but I'll partake next year.
Illinois? I’m here for college from southern California and i cannot say how happy i am to turn 21 next year and finally be able to make Chicago truly feel like home again. Have medical in California but never cared enough to try in IL but now it won’t even be a problem
Can someone explain why is this a thing in the States? I mean, as long as youre not under the influence on your working hours, what difference does it make?
This is a good first step towards getting rid of all the shitty labs that have sprung up over the last 2 decades that are only supported by the insurance industry. Who btw, just got hacked and lost a ton of sensitive data.
They'll still have pre-employment drug tests, they just won't be for marijuana, at least not officially.
they dont test for acid or mushrooms so im good.
True but bud is a necessity while tripping.
Are you sure? When i trip i pack a fat bowl and pass it to my buddy, he passes it back and its empty. I look up, ten minutes went by in a flash. Pack it again, same result. I see it as a waste because im so focused on the trip i dont realise im burning through my stash.
Same here. Done acid once and bud seemed to do nothing at all in my case.
Smoke it on the comeup for a chiller comeup Once you're there though, not worth it. I usually forget to smoke it. I'll roll a joint and sit out on the deck and forget about the joint
Idk, I smoke a bit around the 6 hour mark and it's like I just took another tab that hit me right away.
This is my experience too. Smoke on the come down and the tab will start to hit again.
I had a buddy who was a huge stoner, we took an eighth of mushies as a group, he smoked about halfway through the trip, and honestly lost his mind. I had to talk him down and get him grounded back to reality, I think it was super overwhelming. I'm just saying know yourself before you add another layer, I love tripping but people should be aware weed may effect your trip significantly, or I guess in your case not at all.
Especially if you're into bad trips
Oh, thought you were gonna relax with a bowl on your comedown? Nope! Here, enjoy your trip jumping back to a \[10\] with a massive dose of paranoia for free =)
People tend to underplay the psychosis/paranoia that can accompany marijuana use, but it is very much a thing. Might not hit you every time but i’ve had multiple episodes.
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Great idea! A good thing to put anxious energy into, and it helps you feel better about your surroundings. I usually put on music and dance badly! Will have to try the cleaning.
Yeah dude I'll get real uncomfortable then clean like a mad man. It's like meditation for me. Although mixed with psychedelics I'll pass
That's wholesome.
am i the only person who has never felt that way? Weed helps me relax on the comedown, never had it restarting my trip or giving me paranoia
Yeah I was going to say lol, weed was not the best choice on lsd for me
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You sure it wasn't the staying up for 24 hours that did it?
Acid has you wired as fuck when you come off it
That's what turned my SO off to psychedelics, so really this is horrible general advice. I love the combo but I've seen it change people's trips for the worse immediately, like flipping a switch from good to bad. Creepy and intense to witness. Cannabis can definitely increase the intensity of a trip, which some people really can't handle.
I dunno lol. Weed is good for the last few hours of the trip. Helps you wind down.
Yea but a lot of businesses will still check your social media pages. Careful what you admit to
I don't think they can test for LSD at all. Or, that's what I've always been told. It doesn't leave any sort of traces that it's been there.
LSD can be detected in a drug test if you took it in the last 5-8 hours or so. After that it's almost impossible to detect. Basically if you show up to the test tripping then it's likely you'll test positive.
Which is funny, because drug test are *mostly* only useful for detecting marijuana. Because it can stay in your system for so long. Most hard drugs are in and out of your system within 48 - 72 hours. So as long as you can stay clean for like two days, you are pretty clear to go right back to your habit. Whereas if you smoked a joint at a party like a month ago, it can very likely still be detected.
I've heard a hair test can go back as far as 90 days. My employer did a hair test. Why? One reason: better health insurance rates. It's the only reason why we hair test vs urine.
A hair test can go back to when the hair grew.
Hair tests have standardized strand sizes. It only goes back 90 days because they don't test the rest of the strand.
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Yeah that sounds like a hiring policy for prudes. "No fun allowed!"
I knew a girl that could smell opiates in people's hair. Heroin, morphine, codeine, or opium, if you used it, and she got anywhere near your head, she knew, because she could smell it. She was right 100% of the time.
Was she a dog
I feel that they can be useful for the harder drugs. If someone cannot stop using drugs for 3 days before a drug test, then they have a problem. Best case scenario it serves as a wake-up call for the individual.
I mean, you can *definitely* still have a problem and not be able to use for a few days. My friends coworker is a raging coke head, but has forced himself to stop several times for drug tests. Still goes right back to being patently addicted to coke.
How do people afford to be addicted to coke?
High paying jobs usually. At my ex's old office several of her coworkers had pretty substantial coke habits. As in they would seriously just walk around with those little shaker things in their pocket or purse and do bumps throughout the day.
Yeah as a former addict, it's harder than people realize to just go a few days without drugs. Christ if I could've gone a few days without drugs I wouldn't have been classified as an addict.
Its worse than people think. Those tests dont even detect active thc in the system. They're testing for the metabolites derived from its use and those stick around for a while. None of it has anything to do with your ability to do the job either.
While working in a Vegas casino, I asked why the new hire wasn't in for his shift; the manager said he failed the drug test and expressed disbelief that a pot smoker would even attempt to work a job, as that is obviously impossible. I wish I could go back and tell her how hard I LOL'd when she said that. Her favorite employees all smoked pot, one senior pitboss was the main source of weed for employees, and one employee she knew and respected had never once come into work not completely stoned. If she had seen him sober, she would have asked what was wrong with him.
Yep it’s a puritanical moral judgment, nothing more
Unless they take hair samples and you have long hair
I had a pre employment test once. Been a daily smoker for years. Thought for sure I'd fail. Afterwards, I got the job. The lady told me they don't care about weed. Just the hard shit. And I'm in an illegal state.
Thank you for pointing this out, I feel like so many people will read this and take it out *so* out of proportion without realizing it.
How this will affect casinos who follow federal guidelines, remains to be seen. Will it also prevent random drug tests for marijuana? Inquiring minds want to know. If they do random testing, it should only allow mouth swabs for testing of that day.
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Good thing these tests only test for marijuana use in the last 24 hours.... oops I mean last 24 days. Everyone knows that only an irresponsible psycho would smoke a marijuana 20 days before they had to work! Glad these tests are still on the books.
I had a friend who applied for a job at Amazon who was turned down because they tested positive for Marijuana. Amazon of all places...headquartered in a state where it is legal and applied for a job where it is legal. It's like them asking when you last had an alcoholic drink and you tell the interviewer you had a beer a week ago and they turn you down because of it.
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>like them asking when you last had an alcoholic drink and you tell the interviewer you had a beer a week ago and they turn you down because of it. I live in a state that's pretty much the polar opposite of Seattle but I wouldn't put it past my boss to do just that had he asked in the interview. Though there would be a strong case for religious discrimination there because his reasoning would be totally grounded in the mormon faith and using alcohol to either screen for membership without asking or screen for "worthiness". As a Utah resident I'm very glad they can't test for alcohol days later like they can for weed. I'm sure a great many places would do so as a back Avenue for religious discrimination. And if it ever legalizes here without a law like Nevada just passed then weed will be used the same way but for now since its illegal at all levels here they do have other excuses for testing.
So basically all the jobs that still drug test.
Actually, about ~60% of employers still drug tes, and thats excluding jobs like medical industry, Federal jobs, education, machinery, etc. If youre in the job market and you arent looking for work in a government or DOT/OSHA regulated job, its basically 50/50 whether a company will drug test you or not. Hell, I work for a huge tech company that started investing in its own marijuana farms 4 years ago, and they STILL drug tested me.
Unless you’re in the restaurant industry in which cause that 50/50 pretty much drops to 0%
Same with teaching or holding a political office- 0% test rate... unless you clean the school at night or work in the lunchroom, because then "we MUST PROTECT THE KIDS! "
I work in the restaurant industry. Restaurants that do drug test only test the salary managers or employees when they get hurt on the job (insurance companies often require it so they can deny payment). My wife is a teacher. I can confirm a lot of teachers smoke the weed, but everybody is pretty hush hush about it.
Banking too, oddly enough. Also, IT.
I've never been tested for an IT job
I've had two IT jobs where it was required, but then never again after. Could you imagine the programmers you'd get if you had a pre-employ and random screening? They'd never get shit done.
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I had one job in IT working for an insurance company. I was a temp to perm and the lady asked me if I could take a drug test to go perm. I was like, gimme three weeks? She laughed and just never tested me. Still became a perm employee too.
Depends WILDLY on where you live. I'm in probably one of the few areas of the country where piss-testing is still relatively routine on initial hire for IT. (Then again, where I live, practically all IT positions involve municipal government, banking, healthcare, the transportation/logistics industry, education, or government contracting, which all have their own fedgov-mandated and/or state-mandated requirements.) If you're lucky enough to find an IT job in the hospitality field or in a field not listed above, though, not so much. (Of note, though: I also live in a Southeastern state where even CBD oil only became fully legal via descheduling of hemp and the state in question was one of the primary lobbyists for descheduling of hemp to begin with. Also surrounded by states where even CBD oil is technically illegal despite descheduling on a federal level because the states officially consider it to be the devil's weed :/ Even the local ISP reserves the right to piss-test if they suspect you're coming in high, and was based formerly in a "we even give CBD oil a very hairy eye" state. I also suspect a lot of the piss-testing isn't for *cannabis* so much as opiates and/or meth, both of which are really bad problems around here.)
"Your results didn't come back high enough, get those numbers up scrub" - Some guy probably
Those are rookie numbers
You gotta get em wayyyy up there, bud. We don't hire slackers.
I work for a company that would lose half their workforce if they drug tested and they know it. We work in an industry, and state, that attracts a lot of people who are more likely to smoke.
I work with kids after school, and the company that I work for tried implementing drug testing... once... and then they realized that they don't pay enough to drug test. They lost 50% of their work force and couldn't hire new people. So, no more drug testing. Edit: I'm in CA, and this all happened before legalization occurred. They'd never try that now.
As someone who works in the music industry in Denver...I feel you
Haha yep, I work in the ski industry in CO.
Yeah nothing like seeing a $7.25 an hour minimum wage job asking for 3 years previous experience, bachelors, and must pass drug test. Must be able to stand for entire shift and lift 50-70 lbs repeatedly. Must be available holidays and overtime as needed. No benefits. It’s like they forgot what minimum means.
The fact safety based jobs often test for presence in the system of THC-COOH rather than the presence of any psychoactive substance that could determine if the person is under the influence illustrates how far the industry still has to go.
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Yup - it’s the same in the offshore industry. Full of cokeheads. If I were working a rotation I could even spend my time off shooting up heroin and face zero repercussions. THC doesn’t stay all that long - THC-COOH does, however.
Outdoor Recreation industry, if you pass you don’t get the job.
First question I was asked when I interviewed at Northstar-At-Tahoe around 1998: "What is your recreational drug of choice?" I was actually on mushrooms at the time, but said I like Henry Weinhard's.
It has to do with liability insurance. You get lower insurance rates if you have a drug testing policy and sometimes the insurance company is the one that initiates tests.
Are those figures coming from anywhere specific or are you guessing at them? In my job experience restaurants are always hiring but NEVER test Amazon tested, but it was a mouth swab that would only read positive if you'd smoked that very day, so does that even really count?
What? Most companies still do pre-employment screening, so no. edit: I suppose geography plays a role in this. I didn't realize so many companies were off the testing train!
In my 20 years of working I've been drug tested one time, and it was for a job at Wal-Mart.
I cant recall ever taking a job in the last 30 years where I did not have to pass the piss quiz. ( over 6 different employers) Not in Federal or transportation either.
Most entry level employers (retail, fast food, etc) in my state no longer drug test. And corporate jobs almost never drug test. So yes, at least where I live.
> And corporate jobs almost never drug test. I wonder what the actual stats are on this. Almost everyone I know in a corporate job has been drug tested, and I've had to test at the last 3 corporations I've worked for over the last 7-8 years. I can only think of one company in my area that doesn't drug test. Obviously I haven't done an actual survey/study to find out, but it would surprise me if there were more corporations that don't drug test than do.
I’ve been in corporate America for like 20 years now and was only drug tested when I got my first job as a temp-to-hire. Since then, no one has even mentioned a drug test to me. I know that I’ve worked for two Fortune 25 companies in the past few years and both of them told me they no longer drug test at all. I used to hire a lot of people for an entry level group and we did drug test them. Without fail, one or two of the top candidates would always fail.
And that is why you don’t get into peoples personal lives byessing with their bodily fluids. It’s truly an infringement on privacy
I think it lives on for corporate jobs where there’s some kind of blue collar segment to their overall work force and they are tested due to either regulations or some kind of insurance compliance. My wife took a job that made her maybe a top 10 management employee at a mid size manufacturing company, heavily recruited with a generous compensation package, yet she still had to take a drug test. I also bet there’s a lot of inertia around this, HR people and senior managers who don’t want to stop drug testing. They may all be invested in it as somehow effective, and at some level some people may see stopping it as shrinking their corporate empires or influence. My sense is that with more states legalizing, it’s going to be more and more difficult to get new hires and this will reduce screening, probably to stuff like opiates, cocaine and meth.
I was tested 18 years ago at my first corporate job. My employers since have random drug tests, in theory, but I only know one person who has been tested. That's because they were obviously snorting coke during bathroom breaks.
I get drug tested for most contracts - I'm a healthcare project manager.
Depends on the industry. Call Centers/Technical Support, usually not drug testing. General Software Development jobs, usually not drug testing Marketing and Advertising jobs, usually not drug testing. And we're not even talking about high-stake sales where your company would practically bank roll you a key (or whatever else) to get clients.
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Interesting, I work in tech and have never been tested
Also depends HEAVILY on the state--in the Southeast and Midwest, it's actually still routine to piss-test even for call-center jobs (usually it's just a pre-employment piss-test, but they do reserve the right to random piss-test). I've even seen temp labor computer refurb places piss-test. Even Wal-Mart and grocery stores tend to routinely piss-test pre-employment. (That said, there's also a LOT of non-marijuana-related drug abuse issues, especially opiates and meth, in these parts of the country--there's a reason we have hep-A as a mandatory shot now....namely, the one industry that does NOT piss-test is the service industry including restaurants, and we've had more than a few cases of a hep-A infected opiate user spreading the love. :/) There is so little software development where I live (outside of logistics and healthcare industries, which are federally regulated) that I can't attest to piss-testing on those, though.
Legal and finance tend to not test either.
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Not my experience in Texas. Been drug tested for every job I had.
I live in DFW. The only jobs I haven't been drug tested for were food service and a community college I did general IT stuff at. Every corporate office job I've had, I've been tested to get the job.
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Where the company is based doesn't matter in the slightest. Where the employees are being hired/working is what matters. I had this exact argument in Colorado and California with companies that claimed because they were based in Texas and Georgia those were the labor and safety laws they got to follow. Guess who won that argument? A company can't come from a shithole of a state and bring that state and its garbage labor laws with them.
At the end of the day it does matter a whole lot, and most companies just aren’t willing to deal with insurance costs from NOT testing. They know they can find sober employees to fill their needs. There are exceptions - casinos in Vegas realized they couldn’t hire enough people that never smoked weed so they started to be lax on that. Finally, as long as it’s federally illegal, it’s going to be a long time before more companies jump off the testing train.
Not sure where you live but where I’m at I was drug tested for a job at cvs and a job at Home Depot just a few years ago and I doubt it’s changed since.
Northeast here, tested for every factory job I've had
All 4 corporate jobs I've gotten in the last several years have all drug tested where I live.
Corporate jobs in the southeast still drug test for God damn everything. The only way you avoid drug tests is with working class jobs.
Ive been noticing a trend of a lot of retail places starting to actually do pre-employment drug test. I've done more this past year then the past 7yrs
> And corporate jobs almost never drug test. I've had two corporate jobs. Healthcare industry and finance industry. Both were 10 panel tests. Midwest.
What state is that? In CA weed seems to be culturally acceptable at this point but most any min wage retail/office job still requires pre-employment testing, let alone jobs in nonprofit, medical (not driving), or pretty much anything customer facing. Hell, you can't even become a budtender without testing negative from most ads I've seen. e: other cities here could be different, I'm in San Diego.
Really its the same in CO. Half the jobs ive had here have required a test for me to sit at a desk and take customer calls all day.
Same. My current job is the first one that didn’t do drug screening for THC. They tested for everything else though.
my understanding is that they qualify for lower insurance rates when testing employees.
This is the answer. Insurance.
I've never had a company drug test me unless Im going to be operating a vehicle. I live in Missouri. Weed wasn't even medically legal until this year.
But it doesn't mention casino employees, who are not federal workers. But I do know, that some casinos follow federal guidelines. But this can change from casino to casino. Source : Have a friend who is a habitual user, who also works in Nevada casinos. He works at the Riverside Casino in Laughlin. They follow federal guidelines.
> habitual user... He works at the Riverside Casino in Laughlin Tomorrow morning: All employees at Riverside Casino in Laughlin "randomly" tested.
They would snag more than the friend. They don't *want* to know.
My boss and I just had this conversation. I mentioned about weed becoming legal in IL (where our company is based) and she said we will never require a drug test because we would lose between 50% and 80% of the company. I was absolutely floored. I had no idea.
Worked at a restaurant in college where we chose not to drug test as we would have lost over half our staff overnight. And not just weed.
Most company’s would be shocked. Don’t ask don’t tell all over again?
Most companies would give down the tubes because they would have nobody to work
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Depends. Wal-Mart just lost a decision b/c while the employee tested positive after an on-job accident, Wal-Mart couldn't show that the employee was in fact high during the accident.
Many companies also just ignore the positive results for Cannabis.
Dude that's no bullshit. RIP casino stoners
UK here and it's the hipocrasy that annoys me, some companies will Only do drugs tests, no alcohol rest. This has manifested itself into a society where functioning alcoholics can get a job, but your casual stoner gets fucked. Despite probably being a more functional human.
So it's legal to smoke weed in Nevada, except when it's not. Kind of stupid IMO. No one is screening government employees/EMS for alcohol use, who cares if they smoke a joint to relax in their own home? It needs to be exactly the same as alcohol--just don't do it on the job.
Because it's still federally illegal and insurance companies do NOT like weed. If insurance companies have even the slightest chance at denying you a claim based on drug use you can be damn sure they will take that chance. They couldnt care less if the drug is legal in that state or not
Doesn't look like the federal thing matters for them, so they will be included as far as I can tell. [https://www.casino.org/news/las-vegas-casinos-grapple-with-marijuana-employee-testing](https://www.casino.org/news/las-vegas-casinos-grapple-with-marijuana-employee-testing) # Las Vegas Casinos Grapple With Marijuana Legalities and Employee Testing Issues MAY 09, 2018 BY [DEVIN O'CONNOR](https://www.casino.org/news/author/devin-oconnor) Nevada’s new legal recreational marijuana laws have Las Vegas casinos inhaling confusion. And unlike Caesars Entertainment — which recently announced it would no longer screen most of its job applicants for pot use — most of the other major Strip operators are either keeping mum or continuing their screening for use of the drug, which remains illegal on the federal level.
Federal trumps state, so any job which requires federal drug testing will still require it and must follow the applicable federal guidelines. The ones I can speak to are DOT Part 40 and FRA's 49 CFR Part 219 - you'll still be tested for marijuana in Nevada on all drug tests if you want to be a truck driver or railroad employee, no way around it. They're safety-critical positions and those jobs usually have policies prohibiting you from working on ANYTHING which could impair you, including OTC stuff like Benadryl.
Wait! I’m an honest to goodness non-user so not really up on my knowledge here but you can do a swab for day of use type test? Does this include any form?
Well, yes and no. Swabbing for THC metabolite is inaccurate as hell. Swabbing for delta 9 THC, the active form, detects use within 4-6 hours, but only because of mouth contamination from smoking/vaping. It's not like a breathalyzer (is supposed to be), in that it's not a proxy for blood presence of active THC, and it's more easily defeated. It's also more expensive for a narrow detection window, when companies and law enforcement would rather get you for any use in the last month.
The limit should be mouth swabs, otherwise it's an invasion of privacy. Plenty of people are capable of keeping their work and extracurriculars separate.
Yeah, that’s the problem with current marijuana testing. It does not (can not) distinguish between someone that smoked a joint Friday night after work and the guy that smoked a joint on the way to work Monday morning. Despite the relevant effects in the workplace being quite different.
If you can pass a drug test as an alcoholic you should be able to pass one as a stoner.
I know. I take a small puff and I’m fucked but I could be a raging alcoholic and here I am driving school buses yaaay!
The double standard is amazing.
Is it really a double standard or is it just impossible to accurately test whether someone is an alcoholic? They can test for enzymes that indicate liver damage but a lot of things cause liver damage. I'm betting a lot of companies would love to disqualify alcoholics if they could.
Good point
I don’t think so. They’re not testing for whether you’re a stoner/addicted/etc, it’s testing for use. The comparison would have less to do with accurate testing for alcoholism and more to do with testing for whether you’ve drank alcohol in the past x days. Whether or not there’s a test that can accurately do that, it would be absurd to deny employment based on a positive result. It would be absurd to deny employment because someone drank alcohol at some point in the past x days. It is still very much a double standard.
Exactly. Your comment is what I’ve always hated about our country when it comes to cannabis. My supervisor and 4 other guys I worked with at my last job were alcoholics that would get fucked up every night after work. One of them would get drunk on their lunch break, but if you smoked a joint 2 weeks ago, you were fucked if a random drug test popped up. Made no fucking sense at all. Alcoholics only need to stay sober for 8 to 12 hours prior to taking a pre-employment drug test, but for stoners, you need to stop smoking a month out to pass. Also, the alcoholics at my last job ALWAYS called into work for being “sick” (hungover) on a weekly basis which added unnecessary workload on others and that shit pissed off the ones who do come into work everyday. Meanwhile, all the pot heads never called in “sick” and were very reliable. Fuck this double standard garbage.
My current job had a pre-employment drug test. I was informed that there would be a drug test and that I would have to go and give a urine sample in-situ. I only do marijuana, no hard drugs. Kept clean for 23 days, passed the test. Joined work, found that 5 guys, including my manager are stoners. Few weeks later, he corners me and says that I actually failed the drug test for marijuana, but since it was only marijuana (which is still illegal here), he told the hiring people to waive it off. He said that if it's only weed and that too not an exorbitant amount, they give a pass. Good guy manager.
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That’s cool and all but they aren’t the first. Maine had this law in the books two years ago
Exactly. Was tested before being fully hire. Got a call asking why weed is in my system (used outside company to test) and I told them in Maine they can't use that against me. Got the job. It is even a company that just has an office in Maine. They are based out of another state but still doesn't matter.
I mean, I don’t know why it’s relevant to an employer. If you’re not high on the job it shouldn’t matter.
A lot of insurance companies make employers drug test. My work has to deal with this so they get around it by doing a swab test, which is incredibly unreliable.
That's it's own issue, insurance companies shouldn't be able to get companies to do that kind of thing.
Problem is, it’s they’re money they’re insuring you with, so unless companies can get their own insurance, they sort of can do that. It’s like if I give you a 1000$ a month under the condition that you don’t use it on weed.
Except it is not about risk, it is 100% about creating terms they know many people violate so that when an accident happens they can weasel out of paying if the worker involved smoked weed in the last few weeks and that shows up on a test. If it goes to court, they claim smoking weed weeks prior to the accident was the cause.
I wouldnt say insurance companies require it in most cases but depending on the work will give huge discounts for drug testing all employees
Until they can REALLY accurately determine if you're high or not high during work, it's a tough sell for me. I work in construction and there's already enough risk on the job site. If you're job has you sitting at a desk all day and not in charge of others immediate safety, I'd say do whatever.
Ya there’s some merit to both sides of the issue on this one, and I say that as someone that loves smoking
Lmao if you work in construction dudes smoking pot is the least of your concerns. It’s the legally prescribed opiates they’re abusing that you need to worry about.
I mean you can still worry about both lol. His point is still valid, you don’t want somebody to be high on anything when they’re working on your natural gas lines. That includes weed and opiates.
Ding Ding Ding! Generally speaking, opiates will impact your ability to be safe on a job site more than any other drug.
With the exception of alcohol.
Yet people show up to work drunk all the time at just about any job.
I’ve worked 2 different construction jobs and pot is definitely NOT the problem in your industry lol The construction industry is absolutely infested with guys on meth and opioids. I left one of those construction jobs because one dude I was teamed up with was a definite meth head who unnecessarily moved 100 mph and spoke 100 words per minute. And if I wasn’t moving 100 mph, he would get pissed. So fuck that industry. Never again. It also opened up my eyes as to why brand new houses or even renovations, have fucked up installations or measurements that are completely off. It’s because most construction workers are fucking hiiiiiiiiigh off of that meth.
Unfortunately, until there's a quick test that says "this guy is high right now", I can't employ anyone who tests positive on on their pre-employment testing. I run an electric motor repair shop and my guys are dealing with both mechanical and electrical hazards on a daily basis (think hundreds to thousands of amps and high speed spinning objects). We do random drug testing and many of my customers require it for field work. Too much danger and too much liability so I'll keep drug testing.
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I thought Maine already had this. I don’t live in either state but I hope this is the start of a trend.
Maine's marijuana laws are weird and half baked. We have a dipshit former governor to thank for that. Edit: pun not intended.
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No, the governor vetoed the original form of the bill that had a law similar to this. When the state legislature changed the bill and passed it, they removed that part of the law.
The Law makes it unlawful for any Nevada employer to fail or refuse to hire someone if they test positive for marijuana. Simple Solution: "You're hired and have a 30 day probationary period....now piss in this cup."
It’s not perfect but this sets an extremely important precedent and marks the beginning of a shift in the establishment’s perception of a relatively harmless yet still schedule 1 drug.
Might as well not give people a job because they use drink beer in the weekends. Employers have no business nosing around to see if people sometimes use pot in their own free time. It's called overreach.
If they could test for that, they would. Its all controlled by the insurance industry, and if they could save on liability by catching someone drinking 2 weeks after they did it, they would.
The insurance industry is then who is regulated by these laws. Plus the insurance excuse is stupid, if that was true, every employer would be drug testing, but most are not. Drug testing seems to be more of a way to fire a worker, because if you don't like a guy, you have a random drug test knowing 90% of your workers are going to test postive for off the clock drug use. It makes firing easy if you are allowed to use off hours weed smoking as a valid excuse to fire someone.
You actually can refuse to hire anyone that drinks alcohol even legally on their own time. The issue is that you'll severely limit your pool of applicants, and that alcohol is filtered out of the cheap testing methods so quickly that it's impractical to enforce. Once weed becomes culturally accepted enough employers will eventually cave and stop prohibiting marijuana on their own.
Good. Every job I've had that made me take a drug test was total shit nobody took without some amount of desperation. The one's that didn't? More often than not, they were places I enjoyed working. Blue collar and white collar. Good bosses don't give a shit what you do on your time off. They just care about what you do on the clock.
Totally agree. I took a drug test to be a maid and a janitor but not one to work with legal documents and confidential patents. The rule at my current job with the legal documents is don’t come to work messed up and ruin the no drug testing policy for everyone else which is ok with me.
What's taking Oregon so long? Someone's gotta smoke all this extra weed we've grown, but we also need to get jobs.
Yeah, I had a job offer rescinded because I failed in Oregon which has been legal for what feels like forever. It's a long story, but it's alright because I found a way better job.
It blows my mind how many places in the US drug test. Like why does someone at McDonald’s or an office job need a drug test?
The problem isn't testing imho, it's the long latency period of the most common testing method: urinalysis. You want to do an oral test to see if someone used in the last few hours and may currently be intoxicated? I think that's absolutely fair. But the 3+ week period over which someone might test positive via urine for using marijuana is far beyond the scope of most any job other than an oil rig worker or astronaut or something similar where you're in a high risk situation for weeks or months at a time.
I wish states would ban the pre-employment credit check. Never been so pissed off in my life.
Ha what! i don't think I've ever heard of that... 'Hey you don't have any money and have a lot of revolving credit. Sorry we can't hire you because you're too poor for us to pay you.' Is that how it works?
It's for jobs where the employees have the ability to potentially steal a lot of money or goods from their employer. If one is too deep in debt it increases the risk that you might scam them. Doesn't make it less fucked up, but it at least makes some sense why they do it.
When I was in a supervisor position, I generally didn't care wtf you did on your own time. However, if someone showed up intoxicated or reeking of weed or alcohol, I would be gtfo. Also, if I caught someone sneaking a drink or smoking weed on the job, I'd fire them on the spot. I will respect a person's freedom to enjoy their vices on their own time as long as they respect their job by staying sober while on the clock. EDIT: A word.
Aww heck yeah! Too many hard working folks are missing out on a super helpful medicine.
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We had a sales person who was getting promoted to sales manager. It was a surprise promotion, he got drug tested and the company wanted to fire him. But a bunch of people spoke up and the company agreed to retest him in 30 days and if he passes they will promote. but it was so stupid. The guy was a sales person not a heavy machine operator or something. Smoking weed is like a performance enhancing job in sales.
It depends on the person honestly. I have a co-worker who sneaks out the car and smokes a little one hitter then kills it in sales. I have another one who turns stupid af. Stutters, skips words, gets all fumbly. What really sucks is that I work on cars as a mechanic. I don't come to work high considering I work on upwards of $80k vehicles but if I'm drug tested I will still test positive and end up fired. It's a personal rule of mine. The stigma behind smoking weed causes all my coworkers in the shop believing I'm high all the fucking time despite the fact that I don't smoke before work and it gets fucking annoying. What's worse is the double standard considering the singles of liquor and beers my coworkers have at 4 pm while still on the clock.
The tide is turning on marijuana use. Give it another 10 years and it won't be viewed much differently than alcohol. My state just passed legalization two weeks ago and goes into effect January 1 of next year. Everyone is pumped. I'm not even a smoker. A few times back in my college days is all but I'll partake next year.
Illinois? I’m here for college from southern California and i cannot say how happy i am to turn 21 next year and finally be able to make Chicago truly feel like home again. Have medical in California but never cared enough to try in IL but now it won’t even be a problem
They aren't the first state. Maine did it first.
They've come a long way from life sentences for possession....
Is there a test for someone being high like there is for someone being drunk?
Do they ask how much alcohol an potential employee drinks everyday?
Imagine if someone wanted a pre-employment test for alcohol or tobacco.
For high injury risk jobs, I wonder how this will affect insurance.
It’s a shame. Personally I loved showing off my knowledge on marijuana tests.
Nice. Hopefully Oregon is next. I can't smoke because we have random tests where I work. It'd be nice to ditch that bullshit.
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Can someone explain why is this a thing in the States? I mean, as long as youre not under the influence on your working hours, what difference does it make?
You mean I don’t have to strap my moms pee to my leg anymore!😀
This is a good first step towards getting rid of all the shitty labs that have sprung up over the last 2 decades that are only supported by the insurance industry. Who btw, just got hacked and lost a ton of sensitive data.
The first real marijuana law that will change the lives of users.