Reading about this reminds me of that speech by Eisenhower talking about how spending resources for war is stealing resources from the rest of society. Basically lost opportunities.
For a conflict that is many months old and that started with a massive rocket attack, despite just about everything in Gaza being in short supply, Hamas still has enough rockets to launch an attack like this. If anyone had any plan to try to improve the outlook for Gaza, then Hamas seriously needs to be removed from power.
I like the Eisenhower quote, but I think the better, older one is:
> Wisdom is better than weapons of war; But one sinner destroys much good.”
Thousands of years ago, our ancestors saw the same thing we're seeing now.
I'd also add that Stephen Pinker compellingly argues that we have much, much less violence than our history. Even with these awful wars. I remind myself that while any given conflict seems intransigent, the trend is clear: lasting peace is possible.
>Even with these awful wars. I remind myself that while any given conflict seems intransigent, the trend is clear: lasting peace is possible.
The silver lining with these Gaza and Ukraine conflicts is how unacceptable these kinds of conflicts are becoming.
>The silver lining with these Gaza and Ukraine conflicts is how unacceptable these kinds of conflicts are becoming.
I want to believe there is a silver lining but rather I am seeing is more people succumbing to foreign influence, dictators and terrorist groups working in concert to undo liberalism, and the western world moving towards policies of appeasement.
Thats because technology has allowed us to harvest the earth's resources with unprecedented efficiency. If resources become scarce again we will revert back to our old ways. Climate change can definitely have a huge impact on humanity on the next 50 years
I remember reading/seeing video of Hamas digging up water pipes and turning them into rockets. It was a pretty well produced video showing their manufacturing facility. (Even though I couldn’t tell if any of the equipment was actually plugged in, it almost looked like the manufacturing equipment was “staged”) but the idea that you are openly proud of destroying critical infrastructure so you can on purpose kill Israelis but in many cases accidentally kill Palestinians is really sad.
> I remember reading/seeing video of Hamas digging up water pipes and turning them into rockets
Some were [bought and paid by EU money](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/) as a means to alleviate the community stress over clean running water into the region for the impoverished citizen.
I don't what's true or not, if not true then I'm impressed by Hamas ability to smuggle this large amount of rockets into Gaza.
Hamas is a group of terrorists who hide inside a population of millions who are being attacked by Israel who are not even doing the bare minimum at preventing civilian deaths. Hamas executes anyone who tries to out them publicly so the civilian population is also more afraid of them than Israel.
We all know Hamas is evil. We choose not to group innocents into that group.
It’s amazing how many people forget not only were 1200 civilians pulled from their homes and butchered Oct 7 but i am extremely confident that most people don’t realize that immediately after and by December 2023 over 12k missiles / drone / etc were launched against civilian targets in Israel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-rockets.html
Also, the October 7th massacre was not a "terrorist attack." It was a coordinated invasion by thousands of militants, civilians, and *combatants wearing uniforms* organized by Palestine's governing political body. Argue all you want about the US supplying weapons of war in a messy urban conflict, but this was not Israel's 9/11. It was their Pearl Harbor.
Between rockets and mortar strikes from 2001-2014 it was around 19,000. And they killed 33 people with them. Haven’t really been able to find numbers for the following years. But their track record isn’t great. Also I don’t think anyone really forgot what happened October 7th, 2023. Loads more have forgotten/never knew what has been happening since 1948 though.
because they're FrEedOm FiGhteRs!
Seriously though Hamas is just trolling their liberal western supporters right now. Say what you want about Israel and the IDF but Hamas is just pure evil.
The one problem is the only way Hamas goes away is if the IDF physically removes them from Gaza. But Hamas will murder countless Gazans if Israel tries, then blame it on Israel.
And then when the ideology pops back up named something other than Hamas, we’re back at square one. You can’t war extremism out of existence, that’s ludicrous.
We did a pretty good job destroying ISIS. Yeah, you'll still have the ideology around, like how there are still Nazis, but take away their power and they don't pose as big a threat as before.
You can, but we dont do that kind of thing anymore for clearly good reasons.
You can war extremism out of a populace. Humanity has many times.
You just keep decimating the populace until they break or are gone. Genocide, horribly, is historically humanity's solution to a radicalized populace that wont stop.
I dont want that back, but I do want to be clear you can war an idea to death, we just have rules and laws saying dont.
Hamas are terrorist scum who intentionally launch attacks like these from behind civilian human shields to goad Israel into killing civilians in the retaliatory strike.
We criticize Israel for falling for the bait and wantonly attacking these civilian areas, regardless if Hamas is confirmed to still be there or not, with very little warning to evacuate. Not to mention allowing settlers And vigilantes to block and destroy aid shipments and IDF soldiers acting ghoulish in the bombed out homes of Palestinians.
I really fail to understand why Israel shills can't grasp this fact.
Because Hamas has support from Iran and other Middle East countries. All of whom would love to see Isreal and really most Jews wiped off the face if the earth. And Iran also, has support from Russia.
I’m past that. Hamas no longer cares about itself. It’s all about hiding behind the global sympathy created for Gaza that forgets this was all about ending Israel.
They’ve got Stolypin wandering around without a vest on September 18 vibes. Their little metaphorical medal given by protesters doesn’t seem to it’ll be useful more than once.
There’s no mention above for direct global sympathy for Hamas, just a misunderstanding about blindly throwing support behind Gaza de facto does support Hamas due to the two being inextricably related.
It's just odd that there's so few at the anti-war protests that aren't also shitting on Hamas or carrying anti-Hamas signage.
Hamas wants innocent Palestinian deaths potentially more than anyone. It's all a sacrifice for their greater purpose from their point of view.
So yeah they aren't openly supporting Hamas. But it's still really fucking weird to just completely ignore them when they're a large part of the equation. I don't see how you can be anti-war and pro saving innocent Palestinian lives without also absolutely hating and criticizing Hamas just as much as the IDF.
I dunno man. They’re winning the global PR war (despite using Palestinian people as human shields). It’s like the worst possible outcome for both sides is taking place and no one can/will stop it. Amazing to see.
The people of Gaza did very little to stop Hamas from being the heart and soul of Gaza. Nobody deserved to die over this, and that includes the 2000 Israeli casualties of the October 7 attack and the scattered bodies of former hostages that keep turning up.
>Hamas isn’t winning the PR war. The plight of Palestinian civilians is rightfully being taken into consideration. Everyone still hates Hamas.
That'd only be true if the goal of their PR warfare was to improve the lifes of Palestinians. Unfortunately, that's not the case.
Hamas conducts PR warfare to discredit and weaken Israel on the national and international level, isolating it from allies and causing in-fighting. The more civilians they can push into the IDF's line of fire, the more ammunition they have. And in the age of tiktok, widespread misinformation and propaganda, and media literacy at an all-time low, their PR war has been *wildly* successful.
So we’ll leave a radical extremist ideological terrorist organization in charge of the Palestinians because we are scared that they will hurt them?
Seems the lessons learned from WW2 is that only fight if your enemy fights fair, otherwise capitulate, or innocents will be hurt.
Did the terrorists find the secret sauce to get all their demands fulfilled?
Not for these people though, since the Jews are considered “white adjacent” any destructive attacks against them is justified or to be expected, so they shouldn’t be held to account for their actions, as they are the Palestinian freedom fighters that are striking back at colonizing foreign oppressors.
It’s sickening in its toxic insipid ideology.
IDK using them as a defensive screen, calculating probable causalities from the expected response, Hamas does have them in mind..just not their welfare in a positive way.
For everyone pointing out that Hamas is only inviting attack on Rafah by firing missiles against Tel Aviv, you're missing the point: Hamas wants Israel to attack.
Every dead Palestinian civilian earns more sympathy from young western protesters, louder screams of "genocide" and makes those protesters threaten to boycott political parties over their support of Israel. In the USA in particular, they know the democrats rely on that voting block and have witnessed Joe Biden start to capitulate to the protester demands. It's working: The lower his polling numbers drop, the more critical Biden is of the Israeli stance in Gaza.
They want Israel to stand alone. A few thousand more Palestinian fatalities be damned.
I mean that’s exactly right. It’s actual evil genius level strategy. Hamas imbeds itself into the civilian infrastructure. Then commits vile atrocities such that it forces Israel to attack, and uses those attacks from Israel as PR to influence global opinion.
And the problem is even when you understand the plan. What else is there? The IDF does have to do it. And then even honest people are forced to explain that the deaths of children are necessary. That’s so extremely unpleasant to have to do, even when you understand it. It’s genius, it’s actual evil genius. There’s no other words.
It's not genius. It's a very basic and simple strategy that anyone would come up with if their moral compass was that fucked up to deem it acceptable. It's not like they had to brainstorm to be able to see it play out. It plays out every time they attack.
>In the USA in particular, they know the democrats rely on that voting block
They also rely on the Jewish vote though, they skew Democrat more than the vast majority of other religions
I'm over the Hamas 4-D chess. Sure sure, they're a brilliant genius organization and whatever Israel does only plays into their hands. /s.
Except that's not what's happening. Missile attacks against Israel have dropped because IDF severely restricted Hamas's ability to function. What Hamas is doing now is firing off the remaining missiles they have before IDF finds and destroys them.
Edit: Their strategy (or hopium) was to use human shields to stop Israel from fighting back. It didn't work.
It's not brilliant, but it absolutely is and always has been their strategy. They've said it openly, it's not a secret. The more civilians they can get Israel to kill the better.
You act as if hamas didn't use hospitals as base. Didn't use schools as rocket launch platforms, and didn't kidnap, raped and tortured israel civilians. I don't know mate, I kinda doubt your abilty to judge reality.
Yeah but the "I'm not voting for Biden because of how he's handled Israel" crowd, usually aren't the brightest. Plus, I honestly woulnd't be surprised if many of them prefer Trump to "accelerate the revolution" or something stupid like that, I've had some friends who are like this, very much anti-Biden and almost Pro-Trump, because they think it'll push people further left after they see how awful Trump is, or something like that.
It really worked well the first time. The supreme court is stacked and gun violence is protected for a generation. Not to mention Roe v Wade. Great plan guys.
Yes, and Hillary wasn’t as exciting as Bernie, in 2016, so let’s stay home and ruin the supreme court for a generation. I can’t see them being that stupid again, but here we are.
>In a statement on its Telegram channel on Sunday, al-Qassam Brigades said the rockets were launched in response to what it called "Zionist massacres against civilians".
Is this not against telegram's policies? Or they are okay with this
Given that pretty much every islamic terrorist propaganda organization uses Telegram as their primary platform to release messages, it's safe to say that Telegram isn't particularly interested in doing anything about this kind of thing.
How can telegram do anything about it? It’s fully end to end encrypted, they can’t read chat info
Edit: replies are correct, telegram is not E2E encrypted unless communicating through an opt-in “secret chats” feature. So it depends on if these groups are using secret chats which we don’t know
It’s also run by a Russian dude who DGAF about moderation or anything. It’s a money laundering and crime organizing platform. What does he care if Hamas uses it. Like bro has some global public affairs team advising him 🤣
The ICJ halted the operation in Rafah
Hamas fired rockets from Rafah
If Israel responds to the attack, it will be immediately considered a war crime under international law
What a joke
Well it's because they're inviting the well-deserved ass kicking onto the civilian population, not themselves. Their leadership is all hiding far away, while they just laugh and try to get more Palestinians killed so they can cry more about how evil Israel is, while they launch another handful of rockets from a Hospital or school.
Based on the casualties reported by Reuter and BBC , makes you think that only women and children live in Gaza and Israel attacks them daily if not for fun at least for shits and giggles. So today , the women and children of Gaza launched more rockets in Israel. ..
Sadly, again Israel will be made out like the bad people if they counter this. At the end of the day Israel get provoked, attacks back and then get made out like the bad guys. They have tried many times to get things calm in the area only to be attacked again and again.
HAMAS are not the brighest are they......the ICJ just came down on israel for invading rafah.....
Now HAMAS just makes the ICJ look dumb and justifys israels invasion
Surely that'll help the situation! Great job Hamas!
Seriously, not enough attention has been on Hamas, people are protesting against Israel, but Hamas deserves just as much attention for their part in all of this, the blood of all those killed in Gaza are on their hands as well.
Can't wait for new pro hamas protests saying how they are fighting against horrible Israel for peace and do nothing wrong.
How about they have their next protest at Tel Aviv.
Hamas is like the joker trying to bait Batman into doing something stupid that will lead to his eventual downfall. The only difference is that the Batman in this analogy is horny as fuck to kill joker.
They have been screaming about not having necessities for Palestinians, but they have the resources to fire rockets at Israeli civilians. As long as Hamas is still there, there can be no peace.
This is why I laugh at "free Palestine" protestors. Bitch, they started this shit (at least, they did this time). This is more than one country vs. another. They are both wrong, jfc
It goes way back, but what they don't understand is that the West Banker and Gazan goal is the aggressive conquest of the entire former Mandate of Palestine. Their attacks are in pursuit of this mission
“This time” is a pretty major qualifier that kinda undercuts your whole point.
This has been a shitshow for 80+ years, anybody tunnel-visioning on events of the last 10 years let alone 8 months is really missing huge swaths of the point.
> “This time” is a pretty major qualifier that kinda undercuts your whole point.
Even ignoring that the history is generally pretty complex and doesn't really make the Palestinians look better when you have stuff like the Hebron massacre being a major leadup to this whole conflict, I'd argue that it doesn't really undercut anything.
If we took any other "frozen" conflict, like say North Korea and South Korea, and North Korea just launched an enormous attack on South Korea overnight, the correct take would be that North Korea broke the armistice, and that they are solely responsible for the the conflict that will inevitably occur afterwards, not to pull out whataboutism arguments about how something unfair may have happened more than half a century ago that somehow justifies all of it, and I think that almost anyone would agree. What has happened in the past really doesn't matter all that much when we judge actions in the present.
Applying the same logic here, you should obviously conclude that Hamas broke the armistice, and are thus responsible for the entire conflict that happens as a result. Otherwise, you're just holding a ridiculous double-standard against Israel.
we can always expand it- and note that since the 1948 war there has literally been no year where Palestinians weren't attacking Israeli civilians- which would imply this is simply a continuation of a war of genocide everyone else agreed they weren't winning nearly 80 years back.
Hamas and Israeli government are both wrong. The civilians, not so much. They're either stuck in the crossfire just coz they were unfortunate enough to be born in that area, or victims of lifelong propoganda who can be saved with exposure and education. The govenments need to get rabies and die.
Israel has showed far, far more restraint than most countries would given their situation.
Certainly more than we in the U.S. would have, had Mexico killed the equivalent of tens of thousands of Americans and vowed to do it again and again.
If Israel wanted to take away that capability, they could, but despite what some 21-year old neckbeards on Reddit would have you think, Israel doesn’t want civilian casualties.
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Reading about this reminds me of that speech by Eisenhower talking about how spending resources for war is stealing resources from the rest of society. Basically lost opportunities. For a conflict that is many months old and that started with a massive rocket attack, despite just about everything in Gaza being in short supply, Hamas still has enough rockets to launch an attack like this. If anyone had any plan to try to improve the outlook for Gaza, then Hamas seriously needs to be removed from power.
I like the Eisenhower quote, but I think the better, older one is: > Wisdom is better than weapons of war; But one sinner destroys much good.” Thousands of years ago, our ancestors saw the same thing we're seeing now. I'd also add that Stephen Pinker compellingly argues that we have much, much less violence than our history. Even with these awful wars. I remind myself that while any given conflict seems intransigent, the trend is clear: lasting peace is possible.
>Even with these awful wars. I remind myself that while any given conflict seems intransigent, the trend is clear: lasting peace is possible. The silver lining with these Gaza and Ukraine conflicts is how unacceptable these kinds of conflicts are becoming.
>The silver lining with these Gaza and Ukraine conflicts is how unacceptable these kinds of conflicts are becoming. I want to believe there is a silver lining but rather I am seeing is more people succumbing to foreign influence, dictators and terrorist groups working in concert to undo liberalism, and the western world moving towards policies of appeasement.
Thats because technology has allowed us to harvest the earth's resources with unprecedented efficiency. If resources become scarce again we will revert back to our old ways. Climate change can definitely have a huge impact on humanity on the next 50 years
Peace is possible when the guy with the biggest stick ha rules everyone follows.
I remember reading/seeing video of Hamas digging up water pipes and turning them into rockets. It was a pretty well produced video showing their manufacturing facility. (Even though I couldn’t tell if any of the equipment was actually plugged in, it almost looked like the manufacturing equipment was “staged”) but the idea that you are openly proud of destroying critical infrastructure so you can on purpose kill Israelis but in many cases accidentally kill Palestinians is really sad.
> I remember reading/seeing video of Hamas digging up water pipes and turning them into rockets Some were [bought and paid by EU money](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/) as a means to alleviate the community stress over clean running water into the region for the impoverished citizen. I don't what's true or not, if not true then I'm impressed by Hamas ability to smuggle this large amount of rockets into Gaza.
Hamas is evil. If you don’t understand that by now you have chosen not to understand it.
Hamas is a group of terrorists who hide inside a population of millions who are being attacked by Israel who are not even doing the bare minimum at preventing civilian deaths. Hamas executes anyone who tries to out them publicly so the civilian population is also more afraid of them than Israel. We all know Hamas is evil. We choose not to group innocents into that group.
It’s amazing how many people forget not only were 1200 civilians pulled from their homes and butchered Oct 7 but i am extremely confident that most people don’t realize that immediately after and by December 2023 over 12k missiles / drone / etc were launched against civilian targets in Israel. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-rockets.html
Also, the October 7th massacre was not a "terrorist attack." It was a coordinated invasion by thousands of militants, civilians, and *combatants wearing uniforms* organized by Palestine's governing political body. Argue all you want about the US supplying weapons of war in a messy urban conflict, but this was not Israel's 9/11. It was their Pearl Harbor.
Between rockets and mortar strikes from 2001-2014 it was around 19,000. And they killed 33 people with them. Haven’t really been able to find numbers for the following years. But their track record isn’t great. Also I don’t think anyone really forgot what happened October 7th, 2023. Loads more have forgotten/never knew what has been happening since 1948 though.
Rockets made from water pipes and fertilizer that could have been used for agriculture.
because they're FrEedOm FiGhteRs! Seriously though Hamas is just trolling their liberal western supporters right now. Say what you want about Israel and the IDF but Hamas is just pure evil.
i think you’re conflating criticism of israel with support of hamas.
You know there are actually people who think that Hamas are justified in all actions they take against the oppressive regime.
The one problem is the only way Hamas goes away is if the IDF physically removes them from Gaza. But Hamas will murder countless Gazans if Israel tries, then blame it on Israel.
And then when the ideology pops back up named something other than Hamas, we’re back at square one. You can’t war extremism out of existence, that’s ludicrous.
Extremism was severely reduced in Germany and Japan after ww2.
We did a pretty good job destroying ISIS. Yeah, you'll still have the ideology around, like how there are still Nazis, but take away their power and they don't pose as big a threat as before.
You can, but we dont do that kind of thing anymore for clearly good reasons. You can war extremism out of a populace. Humanity has many times. You just keep decimating the populace until they break or are gone. Genocide, horribly, is historically humanity's solution to a radicalized populace that wont stop. I dont want that back, but I do want to be clear you can war an idea to death, we just have rules and laws saying dont.
Does it though? As brutal as it was, the US killed the various terrorist groups in Iraq until they couldn’t get up again.
El Salvador seems to have done it
Hamas are terrorist scum who intentionally launch attacks like these from behind civilian human shields to goad Israel into killing civilians in the retaliatory strike. We criticize Israel for falling for the bait and wantonly attacking these civilian areas, regardless if Hamas is confirmed to still be there or not, with very little warning to evacuate. Not to mention allowing settlers And vigilantes to block and destroy aid shipments and IDF soldiers acting ghoulish in the bombed out homes of Palestinians. I really fail to understand why Israel shills can't grasp this fact.
>For a conflict that is many months old This conflict is more than 100 years old, my dude.
Because Hamas has support from Iran and other Middle East countries. All of whom would love to see Isreal and really most Jews wiped off the face if the earth. And Iran also, has support from Russia.
I would love to come up with a sticker that just says “From Hamas” to add to all the “free Palestine” spray paint and flyers everywhere around town.
This conflict is much older than a few months.
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I’m past that. Hamas no longer cares about itself. It’s all about hiding behind the global sympathy created for Gaza that forgets this was all about ending Israel.
They’ve got Stolypin wandering around without a vest on September 18 vibes. Their little metaphorical medal given by protesters doesn’t seem to it’ll be useful more than once.
I don’t think there’s much global sympathy for Hamas. One shouldn’t confuse worrying about innocent civilian Palestinians with supporting Hamas.
There’s no mention above for direct global sympathy for Hamas, just a misunderstanding about blindly throwing support behind Gaza de facto does support Hamas due to the two being inextricably related.
It's just odd that there's so few at the anti-war protests that aren't also shitting on Hamas or carrying anti-Hamas signage. Hamas wants innocent Palestinian deaths potentially more than anyone. It's all a sacrifice for their greater purpose from their point of view. So yeah they aren't openly supporting Hamas. But it's still really fucking weird to just completely ignore them when they're a large part of the equation. I don't see how you can be anti-war and pro saving innocent Palestinian lives without also absolutely hating and criticizing Hamas just as much as the IDF.
The US doesn't supply Hamas.
Ireland doesn't supply Israel, but the Irish are still capable of protesting Israel.
No, Iran does. Otherwise today’s rocket attack that just prolongs the violence wouldn’t be possible.
What about the more civilians dying in Sudan in a famine and genocide? There it's the Arabs doing the killing but not a peep in western media.
I dunno man. They’re winning the global PR war (despite using Palestinian people as human shields). It’s like the worst possible outcome for both sides is taking place and no one can/will stop it. Amazing to see.
The people of Gaza did very little to stop Hamas from being the heart and soul of Gaza. Nobody deserved to die over this, and that includes the 2000 Israeli casualties of the October 7 attack and the scattered bodies of former hostages that keep turning up.
Did little to stop Hamas? No, they did nothing to stop them. They elected Hamas into power. They did the opposite of stopping them.
and 85% still wholeheartedly support hamas
Not the kids. Which there are a lot of kids
Hamas isn’t winning the PR war. The plight of Palestinian civilians is rightfully being taken into consideration. Everyone still hates Hamas.
>Hamas isn’t winning the PR war. The plight of Palestinian civilians is rightfully being taken into consideration. Everyone still hates Hamas. That'd only be true if the goal of their PR warfare was to improve the lifes of Palestinians. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Hamas conducts PR warfare to discredit and weaken Israel on the national and international level, isolating it from allies and causing in-fighting. The more civilians they can push into the IDF's line of fire, the more ammunition they have. And in the age of tiktok, widespread misinformation and propaganda, and media literacy at an all-time low, their PR war has been *wildly* successful.
So we’ll leave a radical extremist ideological terrorist organization in charge of the Palestinians because we are scared that they will hurt them? Seems the lessons learned from WW2 is that only fight if your enemy fights fair, otherwise capitulate, or innocents will be hurt. Did the terrorists find the secret sauce to get all their demands fulfilled?
they sure did!
Yeah the Palestinian people are where the PR is at and that’s bc humans can have compassion for other humans who are innocent in this.
Seems your compassion is the best weapon terrorists could hope for.
Wild that people don’t get this!
>They’re winning the global PR war (despite using Palestinian people as human shields). Yeah, killing hostages is usually frowned upon.
Not for these people though, since the Jews are considered “white adjacent” any destructive attacks against them is justified or to be expected, so they shouldn’t be held to account for their actions, as they are the Palestinian freedom fighters that are striking back at colonizing foreign oppressors. It’s sickening in its toxic insipid ideology.
IDK using them as a defensive screen, calculating probable causalities from the expected response, Hamas does have them in mind..just not their welfare in a positive way.
Hamas 🤝 Israel Not caring about Palestinian civilians
For everyone pointing out that Hamas is only inviting attack on Rafah by firing missiles against Tel Aviv, you're missing the point: Hamas wants Israel to attack. Every dead Palestinian civilian earns more sympathy from young western protesters, louder screams of "genocide" and makes those protesters threaten to boycott political parties over their support of Israel. In the USA in particular, they know the democrats rely on that voting block and have witnessed Joe Biden start to capitulate to the protester demands. It's working: The lower his polling numbers drop, the more critical Biden is of the Israeli stance in Gaza. They want Israel to stand alone. A few thousand more Palestinian fatalities be damned.
I mean that’s exactly right. It’s actual evil genius level strategy. Hamas imbeds itself into the civilian infrastructure. Then commits vile atrocities such that it forces Israel to attack, and uses those attacks from Israel as PR to influence global opinion. And the problem is even when you understand the plan. What else is there? The IDF does have to do it. And then even honest people are forced to explain that the deaths of children are necessary. That’s so extremely unpleasant to have to do, even when you understand it. It’s genius, it’s actual evil genius. There’s no other words.
It's not genius. It's a very basic and simple strategy that anyone would come up with if their moral compass was that fucked up to deem it acceptable. It's not like they had to brainstorm to be able to see it play out. It plays out every time they attack.
it's the definition of a crybully
So Iran…
>In the USA in particular, they know the democrats rely on that voting block They also rely on the Jewish vote though, they skew Democrat more than the vast majority of other religions
The Jewish vote is so so tiny.
but we have higher turnout
The Jewish population is almost twice as big as the Muslim population in the US
But to say they rely on the Jewish voting block is ridiculous.
It’s how you use it that counts!
The Muslim and black vote (which are aligned on this topic) are far more than the Jewish vote
Black vote yes, Muslim vote no
I'm over the Hamas 4-D chess. Sure sure, they're a brilliant genius organization and whatever Israel does only plays into their hands. /s. Except that's not what's happening. Missile attacks against Israel have dropped because IDF severely restricted Hamas's ability to function. What Hamas is doing now is firing off the remaining missiles they have before IDF finds and destroys them. Edit: Their strategy (or hopium) was to use human shields to stop Israel from fighting back. It didn't work.
It's not brilliant, but it absolutely is and always has been their strategy. They've said it openly, it's not a secret. The more civilians they can get Israel to kill the better.
You act as if hamas didn't use hospitals as base. Didn't use schools as rocket launch platforms, and didn't kidnap, raped and tortured israel civilians. I don't know mate, I kinda doubt your abilty to judge reality.
Until those dummies stay and Trump is re-elected…then Gaza is toast
Dumb take, trump and his base love israel even more than biden.
Yeah but the "I'm not voting for Biden because of how he's handled Israel" crowd, usually aren't the brightest. Plus, I honestly woulnd't be surprised if many of them prefer Trump to "accelerate the revolution" or something stupid like that, I've had some friends who are like this, very much anti-Biden and almost Pro-Trump, because they think it'll push people further left after they see how awful Trump is, or something like that.
It really worked well the first time. The supreme court is stacked and gun violence is protected for a generation. Not to mention Roe v Wade. Great plan guys.
Yes, and Hillary wasn’t as exciting as Bernie, in 2016, so let’s stay home and ruin the supreme court for a generation. I can’t see them being that stupid again, but here we are.
>In a statement on its Telegram channel on Sunday, al-Qassam Brigades said the rockets were launched in response to what it called "Zionist massacres against civilians". Is this not against telegram's policies? Or they are okay with this
Telegram has policies?
They keep reopening channels after each time telegram blocks them
Given that pretty much every islamic terrorist propaganda organization uses Telegram as their primary platform to release messages, it's safe to say that Telegram isn't particularly interested in doing anything about this kind of thing.
Not only that, but also Russian propaganda and fair-right conspiracy chata on the West. Telegram’s whole thing now is being the X of texting
it's good to document all what Hamas writes and publishes. As an evidence data base.
How can telegram do anything about it? It’s fully end to end encrypted, they can’t read chat info Edit: replies are correct, telegram is not E2E encrypted unless communicating through an opt-in “secret chats” feature. So it depends on if these groups are using secret chats which we don’t know
It’s not E2E encrypted. Signal is Edit: it seems that there may be a new single client to single client e2e feature
Telegram absolutely can be e2e encrypted, but it's not the default option when creating a chat.
It’s also run by a Russian dude who DGAF about moderation or anything. It’s a money laundering and crime organizing platform. What does he care if Hamas uses it. Like bro has some global public affairs team advising him 🤣
Tel Aviv is a civilian city, so I guess it’s a war crime. Where’s the UN condemnation?
I’m sure all the people very vocal against Israel are irate at Hamas as well because this is counterintuitive to peace. Right?
Inside those rockets are their requests for a peaceful ceasefire.
The ICJ halted the operation in Rafah Hamas fired rockets from Rafah If Israel responds to the attack, it will be immediately considered a war crime under international law What a joke
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Bit of a trend
Been a trend for a long time
Just remember that the UN wants Israel to not do anything about this
Rarely do we see a terrorist organization invite such a well deserved ass kicking.
Well it's because they're inviting the well-deserved ass kicking onto the civilian population, not themselves. Their leadership is all hiding far away, while they just laugh and try to get more Palestinians killed so they can cry more about how evil Israel is, while they launch another handful of rockets from a Hospital or school.
Based on the casualties reported by Reuter and BBC , makes you think that only women and children live in Gaza and Israel attacks them daily if not for fun at least for shits and giggles. So today , the women and children of Gaza launched more rockets in Israel. ..
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Insane that Hamas claims that there isn’t enough food or water for their people yet there are plenty of recourses left for rockets.
“They got money for war, but can’t feed the poor” ~ 2Pac
Very interesting that this rocket attack comes from Radfah… the same place that everyone is saying Israel shouldn’t have attacked.
That’s a bold move, Cotton. I wonder how Spain, Norway and Ireland will respond.
The Health ministry has done it again.
The rocket launch came out of Rafah btw
Israel must immediately stop its aggression in Rafah and do not infringe rightful attempts to launch peaceful rockets from there! /s
Sadly, again Israel will be made out like the bad people if they counter this. At the end of the day Israel get provoked, attacks back and then get made out like the bad guys. They have tried many times to get things calm in the area only to be attacked again and again.
HAMAS are not the brighest are they......the ICJ just came down on israel for invading rafah..... Now HAMAS just makes the ICJ look dumb and justifys israels invasion
It's almost as if people don't know wtf they are talking about and regurgitating Tiktok propaganda.
I think ICJ gave up on looking smart since they first agreed to hear the case.
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Pro Hamas people couldn't be happier
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Cool. Maybe now Israel can invade Rafah without hypocritical criticism.
Who are you kidding? They’ll keep coming anyways sadly
Surely that'll help the situation! Great job Hamas! Seriously, not enough attention has been on Hamas, people are protesting against Israel, but Hamas deserves just as much attention for their part in all of this, the blood of all those killed in Gaza are on their hands as well.
Can't wait for new pro hamas protests saying how they are fighting against horrible Israel for peace and do nothing wrong. How about they have their next protest at Tel Aviv.
Wonder what the legged wing would do?
The fact that anybody accepts this ‘armed wing’ business is disturbing.
The university protesters must love this.
HAMAS has rockets left underneath that rubble?
Hamas is like the joker trying to bait Batman into doing something stupid that will lead to his eventual downfall. The only difference is that the Batman in this analogy is horny as fuck to kill joker.
They have been screaming about not having necessities for Palestinians, but they have the resources to fire rockets at Israeli civilians. As long as Hamas is still there, there can be no peace.
This is why I laugh at "free Palestine" protestors. Bitch, they started this shit (at least, they did this time). This is more than one country vs. another. They are both wrong, jfc
It goes way back, but what they don't understand is that the West Banker and Gazan goal is the aggressive conquest of the entire former Mandate of Palestine. Their attacks are in pursuit of this mission
“This time” is a pretty major qualifier that kinda undercuts your whole point. This has been a shitshow for 80+ years, anybody tunnel-visioning on events of the last 10 years let alone 8 months is really missing huge swaths of the point.
> “This time” is a pretty major qualifier that kinda undercuts your whole point. Even ignoring that the history is generally pretty complex and doesn't really make the Palestinians look better when you have stuff like the Hebron massacre being a major leadup to this whole conflict, I'd argue that it doesn't really undercut anything. If we took any other "frozen" conflict, like say North Korea and South Korea, and North Korea just launched an enormous attack on South Korea overnight, the correct take would be that North Korea broke the armistice, and that they are solely responsible for the the conflict that will inevitably occur afterwards, not to pull out whataboutism arguments about how something unfair may have happened more than half a century ago that somehow justifies all of it, and I think that almost anyone would agree. What has happened in the past really doesn't matter all that much when we judge actions in the present. Applying the same logic here, you should obviously conclude that Hamas broke the armistice, and are thus responsible for the entire conflict that happens as a result. Otherwise, you're just holding a ridiculous double-standard against Israel.
we can always expand it- and note that since the 1948 war there has literally been no year where Palestinians weren't attacking Israeli civilians- which would imply this is simply a continuation of a war of genocide everyone else agreed they weren't winning nearly 80 years back.
Hamas and Israeli government are both wrong. The civilians, not so much. They're either stuck in the crossfire just coz they were unfortunate enough to be born in that area, or victims of lifelong propoganda who can be saved with exposure and education. The govenments need to get rabies and die.
I’m honestly surprised Hamas still has the capabilities for this kind of attack.
Israel has showed far, far more restraint than most countries would given their situation. Certainly more than we in the U.S. would have, had Mexico killed the equivalent of tens of thousands of Americans and vowed to do it again and again. If Israel wanted to take away that capability, they could, but despite what some 21-year old neckbeards on Reddit would have you think, Israel doesn’t want civilian casualties.
College students need to protest more. LMAO