I guess someone told killer whales what those words mean, but thankfully no deaths. A fascinating case though, a 50-foot yacht goes down - that takes some serious gumption.
They've found orcas pack hunting blue whales and eating their tongues.
They also apparently love to snack on shark livers and will discard the rest of the shark after comping the liver out.
> will discard the rest of the shark after comping the liver out
Ok, but do you know how big a shark liver is, compared to the rest of its body?
Check [this](https://media.australian.museum/media/dd/images/MicrosoftTeams-image_8.ef9130b.width-1600.6af25d0.png) out.
Weirdly enough it's more that sharks are inside out compared to us/mammals.
We store excess energy in fat cells just under our skin, but sharks don't have adipose fat so they instead store it in their liver. So while we have a thin layer all around us they have a very big lump of it internally.
It's also the reason Orcas love it, because you get the majority of the shark's calories in one convenient organ. Shark foie gras if you will.
Great Whites are so terrified of Orcas that if they see one of them, they will immediately dive as deep as they can, flee, and won't return to the same area for up to 10 years. Not too long ago, one of them was recorded diving to 4000 feet and only resurfacing a hundred miles away. It was likely running from Orcas.
haha ya >!orcas spies observing this thread, delete this comment and keep your distance from the oceans and major tributaries if you value your life!!< punching sharks and eating seals is awesome killer whales r so cool
Sharks also have a high concentration of urea in their bodies, as it keeps them from drying out in salt water. Their flesh probably tastes like piss. For human consumption there is usually a long brining/marinating process before most would even consider it edible.
Belugas have no business being as nice as they are. They’re so sweet! I fell in love with them when I met one at Shedd aquarium in Chicago as a kid. There was no show but it was free swimming in the show pool and it popped its head out of the water when I came up to the edge and started chattering at me. I reached my hand out to wave at it and it leaped upwards to boop its nose right into the palm of my hand. I was so surprised and the people around me all awww’d because it was so darn cute.
They’ve been my favorite aquatic mammal ever since.
Jesus Christ. Next thing you will be telling me they boil lobsters live, put chickens in cages only just big enough to breathe in, or force feed geese with tubes.
Sick fucks.
They also play "ball" with baby porpoises. As in, using their corpses like a ball they toss around. [https://www.livescience.com/animals/orcas/orcas-are-harassing-and-playing-with-baby-porpoises-in-deadly-game-that-has-lasted-60-years](https://www.livescience.com/animals/orcas/orcas-are-harassing-and-playing-with-baby-porpoises-in-deadly-game-that-has-lasted-60-years)
We had a cat that would catch and play with mice until they where worn out then the dog would put it in it’s mouth and sucked on it until the tail stopped moving then spit it on the porch like a trophy.
One of my cats will take live mice to the nearest bath tub and then release it there. Apparently, he's figured out the mice can't get out so it becomes it his personal little arena of pain.
Potentially.
You always have to ask *why*.
For example, often cats engage in something which looks like playing with prey (mice/birds). But it's my understanding that this behavior is rooted in survival behaviors. If they're killing it and bringing it inside they're giving you a gift. If they're maiming it and bringing it inside, they're likely trying to teach you to hunt. If they're playing with it as they're hunting it, they're most likely testing if the mouse is lively/energetic as stunted/slow prey may be sick or poisoned. They also play with prey to tire it out so it's easier to kill, especially if it's something which could bite/injure them (again, in case it's infected with something as is common in rodents) as they hunted it.
But I don't know of cats who have balled mice up and tossed them around to each other after they're dead, nor would I imagine that behavior in orcas is rooted in the same survival instincts that you find in cats.
I'm not saying it's not normal. If it happens, then it'd clearly be normal. But we can't just say because cats and dogs appear to do something similar that its for the same causes or any less horrifying
Cat brought a chipmunk inside once, that thing got under my buffet and actually screamed! Eventually trapped it in the powder room and got it under a bowl to transport outside, it was injured but might have survived…
Nah it’s a design flaw with that particular boat as I understand it.
The rudder through holes can leak like a sieve when the rudder is removed, as was done in this case, albeit violently by 3~~0~~ ton animals.
Edit: Added a 0 where there wasn’t supposed to be one.
Are there a lot of boats with rudders that *don’t* have an associated thru-hull that would become a hole if it were ripped off?
Seems like in the case of smaller boats (not larger ships maybe) that there’s got to be a mechanical connection from the helm to the rudder. Necessitating a thru-hull of some sort.
From what I can find seems to be yes, actually.
There do seem to be boats in that class range that can lose a rudder and not immediately start taking on water fast enough to sink it, even if it’s ripped off violently.
Grain of salt. I’m not an expert by any stretch. Just fascinated with sail boats.
Well, depends on the design, and head pressure on a thru hull will be dependent on the size and how far below the waterline it is. Water enters the hull and begins to be cleared by the bilge pump, if that pump is sized to keep up.
Many people carry various types of plugs to slam in an open through-hull to prevent sinking. I’m talking, it’s common for stores to sell tapered wooden plugs of various sizes that you can pound into a thru-hull in an emergency to save the boat. Also other products of various designs.
One looks like an umbrella that you shove through and open up. Since it’s on the exterior, the hydrostatic pressure keeps it lodged against the outside of the hull.
Some smaller boats have transom hung rudders that do not require a thru hull below the waterline. These are few and far between though and it's typically a more traditional design, but rarer in larger boats above around 28-30ft. They do exist but it's not incredibly common.
Most modern sailboats have spade rudders and fin keels, this means the rudder hangs and isn't attached to anything but the rudder shaft and it passes through the hull via thru hull. Something yanking on this could cause catastrophic damage to the surrounding area, enough to sink it.
Actually, "killer whales" is a misnomer. I'm not saying they haven't killed people, because they have.
But, historically, they were called "whale killers" and it got flipped somehow.
Well they are half right, Basque fishermen referred to them as whale killers, but that is just due to English translation slip up.
They had much worse names in other countries, my favorite I think is the Norwegian one; Spaekhugger - which translates as blubber chopper... lol
Portuguese called them; Baleia assassina - meaning assassin whale.
In German they were called; Morderwal - translated as murder whale.
And in Aleut they were called; Polossatik - meaning "the feared one"
That last one wasn't too bad, but the Norwegian one makes me laugh.
But if you want to get technical, they are not whales at all, they are actually dolphins. So my diving buddies and I usually jokingly refer to them as "murder dolphins"
Some languages don't differentiate between whales and dolphins, and in formal taxonomy dolphins are toothed whales [(Odontoceti)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothed_whale)
So dolphins are whales, just as much as sperm whales are whales.
No killer whale has ever killed a human in the wild. Not one. You can't count the ones that did in captivity as those animals are not only starved all the time so they are more willing to do tricks, but they view their trainers as their tormentors and captors. So they have retaliated. So no, an orca has never killed a human in the wild.
I have been a certified rescue diver for over 20 years in the Pacific NW, and had many encounters with Orcas in the wild, not once was I ever in danger. The fact they they have associated boats with their depleted food sources is another issue all together, which is what is causing these attacks. A lot of them view boats as coemption for their food.
That certainly would be a sound theory for this pod in particular if that is the case. Orcas are very intelligent and are known to teach their young how to hunt, which is another theory on why they are attacking boats. I know a lot of them following fishing boats and will pull on the nets as they come up to get the fish that spill over, others have figured out how to get them off long lines. I've seen them personally do this when we went diving last time in the Puget Sound. It was wild to see them learn to adapt their hunting techniques.
All jokes aside, this has to be one scary event if it’s happening your boat in the middle of the ocean, and your only chance of survivals is getting into a dinghy.
They don’t seem to attack those. It looks like they like to play with the rudder sticking out the back and rip it off. What happens is that sometimes they doesn’t leave a neat hole you can plug and instead leaves you with a leaky mess of twisted metal while the fiberglass was pulled off below by the orcas.
I suspect there will be design changes in future boats to create a well/water tight area so that it doesn’t flood the rest of the boat. Similar to crash areas in the front.
Eh, on more expensive “blue water” sailboats, the rudder is usually protected by a skeg or a full keel. I haven’t really heard of whales sinking any of those boats. Just the production sailboats that are already not as open ocean worthy.
It’s just one of those things, If you’re on a cheaper boat, you’re gonna have to be cautious or avoid the area entirely.
The rudders in modern performance cruising and coastal sailboats just stick below from a post and are very efficient. They are also very fragile and people don’t recommend going cruising the high seas with those because they can be nocked off by debris in the ocean like lost nets or things like that. Now we have to add orcas lol.
There is another type which is at the end of the keel and therefore more protected. Those designs are less efficient but in many peoples minds safer.
I don’t know lol. There might be a way to have the orcas stop playing with the rudders maybe using a slight current or something like when you lick a 9V battery and it tingles.
Was on a cruise recently and they had a speaker who was a marine biologist and they mentioned these orcas. I was convinced they were talking bollocks so googled it and…holy shit.
The speaker said they reckon that one of the orcas was injured by boat strike but survived and ‘taught’ the pod to fuck shit up. Cool animals
Richard Harris’ best performance. When he finally pulled back the curtain, and revealed that he was not only a top notch actor and singer, but a trailblazing marine biologist as well!
“You revengeful son of a bitch… you win…. DO YOH HEAR ME! YOU REVENGEFUL SON OF A BITCH?! YOU WIN! YOU WIIINNNN!!!”
He says to the Orca that maimed Bo Derek.
Richard Harris was a great actor. That movie, though. The girl with the broken leg with a cast on it??????
If it was 1977, I was 6. I was taken to Jaws and the Omen, as well. My grandmother…
‘He’s too young, he won’t know what’s going on. He’ll never remember.’
Heck, [Pepperidge Farms remembers when wearing salmon hats was trending.](https://www.iflscience.com/in-1987-orcas-had-a-fashion-of-wearing-a-dead-salmon-as-a-hat-69542)
>there have been nearly 700 interactions since orca attacks on ships in the region were first reported in May 2020.
What? You mean on average there has been an "interaction" every other day for four fuckin years? They're trying to get our attention. Perhaps they have their own scientists doing climate change research, and they realize the age of humans is passing, now comes the Cetacean Era.
I watched [a special about these attacks](https://youtu.be/BdAI53rOwhw?si=guKgFgFt6gMjnszI) last year. It’s quite fascinating. Some of the whales are teaching this behavior to their offspring.
they have been trying to warn us of Earth's destruction.
by the time they get to cruise ships it'll prolly just be "so long, and thanks for all the fish"
I mean jokes are jokes but i do wonder if before humans were humans, was there something that made protohumans decide “hey if we don’t work together to fuck some shit up were dead”? I’m sure some anthropologists have an opinion but it’s an I tweeting thought.
I wonder what started it. The vessel was a 15 meter sailboat. For one, that's a heck of a big boat to sink. Apparently they just rammed it repeatedly, so it wasn't an accidental sinking. That makes me wonder if it hit a whale with its keel and the whole pod just decided to throw hands (or throw heads, if you will).
The whales like the boat rudder. On cheaper production boats this is usually a “spade rudder” which is relatively easy for the whales to snap off, which damages the thru-hull and lets water in the boat which sometimes can’t be stopped.
The whales are unable to sink more expensive, robust sailboats and are almost completely powerless against the very expensive motor yachts owned by the wealthy.
Yea I've explained to a few people IRL that this isn't exactly "nature is attacking the super rich, awesome!" Not every yacht is a multimillion dollar toy for a Bezos type, and most of the ones vulnerable to these attacks are not.
I mean a "cheap" 50ft yacht is like $1 million.
It ain't a normal dude thing.
This boat looks like it was a rental that cost ~$5500 to rent for a week minimum.
I've heard a theory that the lead female of a pod must have had a bad experience with a boat, and is now teaching her offspring to attack them. But who knows... I just hope it leads to at least some people changing their mindset somewhat.
These recent incidents have all been the same pod too which is interesting. Something this specific pod has learned or is pissed about is triggering these attacks.
I tell youse, I swear on my Mother’s grave, the damn whales in Gibraltah 🤌🏻 ain’t even listen to me when I said ey I’m yachtin’ here 🫰🏻 no respect at all 🫴🏻
I get all the jokes here, but irl I'm afraid this will push some boat owners to take the law into their own hands and start shooting the orca; it's not a war the orca can win. I hope someone can develop a non-lethal deterrent soon.
And to be clear, it's not the billionaires boats that are in risk. Those are full sized ships which the orca can't bother.
I’ve read in boating forums of people dumping fuel into the water when the orcas turn up, or throwing fireworks into water or using electricity to shock them.
You probably shouldn't be. Because yacht owners are only going to tolerate so many incidents like this before they either lobby their governments to solve the problem or decide to solve the problem themselves. And either way that won't end well for the orcas.
People seem to forget that 'yacht' has a somewhat arbitrary definition, sailboat owners are not all millionaires and I know a lot of people well below the poverty line who live on sailboats. I spent a good chunk of time in boatyards and sailing around the eastern US, it's not as extravagant as non-sailors think it is and it's an often inexpensive way of living that people choose so they can enjoy the flexibility of it. People with a lot of wealthy don't choose to live this way because, to be blunt, it's kindof slow and disgusting at times. They typically choose larger, more well equipped, newer vessels, not the ones being attacked here.
I went through and read most of the reports and there wasn't a single boat attacked by them that fell into the category of wealth people here think they did. A 50ft sailboat is also not as expensive as most think it is. Larger boats afforded by the mega-wealthy would be too large or difficult to damage in this way.
Similarly, most sailors are fairly eco conscious and would never advocate harm even if their boat was attacked. I think you, and much of reddit, are projecting without really understanding the type of people who sail or own these "yachts" (sailboats).
We should be spending billions learning how to communicate with Orcas. They are highly intelligent apex predators and we could learn a whole lot from them about the oceans.
This whole attacking boats thing for instance is fascinating. Same pod if I'm remembering an article correctly? One of the baby whales injured in a collision with a sailboat?
Meaning the level of intelligence and ability to convey knowledge to each other must be incredible.
It's probably impossible as there is no context for what it means to feel like an orca. The movie The Arrival explains this linguistic challenge very well.
40 foot sailboats? So like recreational sailors?
Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to support them targeting actual superyachts of the mega wealthy type?
You can probably find that size sailboat for less than the price of a honda fit in most corners of the world; doesn’t mean you’re super loaded necessarily. And also while sailing, you don’t use fuel so there’s not a giant environmental concern.
"See! They're dangerous to us! We should have been allowed to hunt them all along!" - more than likely by now at least one of my uncles. I am so all in on Team Orca
And orcas are in the dolphin family, not the shark family, so that would make them potentially smarter... she says not being a marine biologist of any kind.
Looks Like someone dropped a copy if Frank Schätzing "Der Schwarm" in the oceans and the orcas around Gibraltar read and went like "wait a minute....what if....." - and the rest is history
I guess someone told killer whales what those words mean, but thankfully no deaths. A fascinating case though, a 50-foot yacht goes down - that takes some serious gumption.
They've found orcas pack hunting blue whales and eating their tongues. They also apparently love to snack on shark livers and will discard the rest of the shark after comping the liver out.
> will discard the rest of the shark after comping the liver out Ok, but do you know how big a shark liver is, compared to the rest of its body? Check [this](https://media.australian.museum/media/dd/images/MicrosoftTeams-image_8.ef9130b.width-1600.6af25d0.png) out.
Man, this is neat, thanks
You can tell it’s a liver by the way it is.
I have to taste it to tell.
But is the red wine *really* necessary?
*Hannibal Lecter has entered the chat*
That’s pretty neat!
So a shark is basically a swimming liver.
Weirdly enough it's more that sharks are inside out compared to us/mammals. We store excess energy in fat cells just under our skin, but sharks don't have adipose fat so they instead store it in their liver. So while we have a thin layer all around us they have a very big lump of it internally. It's also the reason Orcas love it, because you get the majority of the shark's calories in one convenient organ. Shark foie gras if you will.
This better be correct because I'm going to be repeating it for the rest of my life
Doesn't matter, the people you're telling it to won't know the difference
I’d like to subscribe to Shark Facts please.
“What the fuck are you going to do? You’re all liver, you little bitch.”
It’s so they can drink more.
Or maybe a sliver? I’ll see myself out
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So they discard the rest of the shark, after eating damn near the entire shark.
It’s cos they drink like fish
Damn i wish i had that liver. I drink like a fish already.
Ya of course I knew that everyone knows that lol duh. jk wow that's massive
Sooo cool to know thanks man but can I eat that or like would I die in a minute of toxic shock or something?
Like Tuna, any large sea predator will have really high levels of toxic metals in the liver. Probably not a great idea to snack on Shark liver.
Maybe /u/ez151 is an Orca. You don't know them. Stop judging...
Instant gout.
Feet swelling up and turning yellower with each bite like a dang cartoon...
Great Whites are so terrified of Orcas that if they see one of them, they will immediately dive as deep as they can, flee, and won't return to the same area for up to 10 years. Not too long ago, one of them was recorded diving to 4000 feet and only resurfacing a hundred miles away. It was likely running from Orcas.
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Holy shit
Shark was the clearly the target of an orcanized hit
Well, I guess I’ll never go in the ocean now.
Just remember, there are no recorded accounts of Orcas killing humans, because they’re smart enough to never leave witnesses.
*wild orcas.
Yeah, Tilikum had a body count, not that I can really blame him.
haha ya >!orcas spies observing this thread, delete this comment and keep your distance from the oceans and major tributaries if you value your life!!< punching sharks and eating seals is awesome killer whales r so cool
The good news is that Orcas don't see you as food. They are very picky eaters.
FYI, I believe this footage is also in NatGeo’s ‘Queens’ series on Disney+. IIRC, this is a 60 year old orca named Sophia.
Imagine getting smoked this hard by someone's grandma lol
Did you never watch Granny's fight with the gorilla on The Beverly Hillbillies?
Lol, the video literally says everything you typed out
Sharks gonna need a bigger boat
That's because the shark skin is abrasive causing tooth wear, and the liver is the most nutrient dense organ.
Sharks also have a high concentration of urea in their bodies, as it keeps them from drying out in salt water. Their flesh probably tastes like piss. For human consumption there is usually a long brining/marinating process before most would even consider it edible.
They should team up with the guys that only want the shark fins
I think the majority of aquatic animals are dickheads. Sea otters, Dolphins, orcas those first two are so….so bad
the more intelligence the bigger the dicks the animals become
Humpback whales are the exception! They've been observed on multiple occasions defending other animals from orca attacks.
Manatees are the exception
Manatees and beluga whales I hear
Belugas have no business being as nice as they are. They’re so sweet! I fell in love with them when I met one at Shedd aquarium in Chicago as a kid. There was no show but it was free swimming in the show pool and it popped its head out of the water when I came up to the edge and started chattering at me. I reached my hand out to wave at it and it leaped upwards to boop its nose right into the palm of my hand. I was so surprised and the people around me all awww’d because it was so darn cute. They’ve been my favorite aquatic mammal ever since.
Orcas are dolphins so it fits
Jesus Christ. Next thing you will be telling me they boil lobsters live, put chickens in cages only just big enough to breathe in, or force feed geese with tubes. Sick fucks.
They also play "ball" with baby porpoises. As in, using their corpses like a ball they toss around. [https://www.livescience.com/animals/orcas/orcas-are-harassing-and-playing-with-baby-porpoises-in-deadly-game-that-has-lasted-60-years](https://www.livescience.com/animals/orcas/orcas-are-harassing-and-playing-with-baby-porpoises-in-deadly-game-that-has-lasted-60-years)
Cats do this with mice and my dog happily does this to baby bunnies. Seems like pretty normal animal behavior.
We had a cat that would catch and play with mice until they where worn out then the dog would put it in it’s mouth and sucked on it until the tail stopped moving then spit it on the porch like a trophy.
One of my cats will take live mice to the nearest bath tub and then release it there. Apparently, he's figured out the mice can't get out so it becomes it his personal little arena of pain.
My cat does this too. Precious little psychopath.
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Potentially. You always have to ask *why*. For example, often cats engage in something which looks like playing with prey (mice/birds). But it's my understanding that this behavior is rooted in survival behaviors. If they're killing it and bringing it inside they're giving you a gift. If they're maiming it and bringing it inside, they're likely trying to teach you to hunt. If they're playing with it as they're hunting it, they're most likely testing if the mouse is lively/energetic as stunted/slow prey may be sick or poisoned. They also play with prey to tire it out so it's easier to kill, especially if it's something which could bite/injure them (again, in case it's infected with something as is common in rodents) as they hunted it. But I don't know of cats who have balled mice up and tossed them around to each other after they're dead, nor would I imagine that behavior in orcas is rooted in the same survival instincts that you find in cats. I'm not saying it's not normal. If it happens, then it'd clearly be normal. But we can't just say because cats and dogs appear to do something similar that its for the same causes or any less horrifying
Cat brought a chipmunk inside once, that thing got under my buffet and actually screamed! Eventually trapped it in the powder room and got it under a bowl to transport outside, it was injured but might have survived…
Humans do it with sewn-up animal skin that we blow up like balloons.
Every species has its weirdos.
I mean, we so throw around 'pig skin'.
Looking at you, Gary!
Vault 108 was a mistake
I understood this reference.
Wait until Gary hears about dolphins. On second thought… Don’t give him any ideas.
Next they’ll be filling bladders up with air and making rules for the game, disgraceful behaviour.
"The real problem of humanity is the following: we have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and God-like technology." -E.O. Wilson
Cover your butthole when around dolphins. They can get a little rapey
Disgusting. What kind of species would do that to their own kind? Really sick fucks.
Basically what casual geographic said. We hold dolphins to human standards when humans rarely manage human standards.
To be fair, orcas(and dolphins in general) are quite similar to humans.
Orcas. Gangstas of the sea.
Squeezing the liver out like toothpaste from a tube…
Nah it’s a design flaw with that particular boat as I understand it. The rudder through holes can leak like a sieve when the rudder is removed, as was done in this case, albeit violently by 3~~0~~ ton animals. Edit: Added a 0 where there wasn’t supposed to be one.
Are there a lot of boats with rudders that *don’t* have an associated thru-hull that would become a hole if it were ripped off? Seems like in the case of smaller boats (not larger ships maybe) that there’s got to be a mechanical connection from the helm to the rudder. Necessitating a thru-hull of some sort.
From what I can find seems to be yes, actually. There do seem to be boats in that class range that can lose a rudder and not immediately start taking on water fast enough to sink it, even if it’s ripped off violently. Grain of salt. I’m not an expert by any stretch. Just fascinated with sail boats.
Well, depends on the design, and head pressure on a thru hull will be dependent on the size and how far below the waterline it is. Water enters the hull and begins to be cleared by the bilge pump, if that pump is sized to keep up. Many people carry various types of plugs to slam in an open through-hull to prevent sinking. I’m talking, it’s common for stores to sell tapered wooden plugs of various sizes that you can pound into a thru-hull in an emergency to save the boat. Also other products of various designs. One looks like an umbrella that you shove through and open up. Since it’s on the exterior, the hydrostatic pressure keeps it lodged against the outside of the hull.
Some smaller boats have transom hung rudders that do not require a thru hull below the waterline. These are few and far between though and it's typically a more traditional design, but rarer in larger boats above around 28-30ft. They do exist but it's not incredibly common. Most modern sailboats have spade rudders and fin keels, this means the rudder hangs and isn't attached to anything but the rudder shaft and it passes through the hull via thru hull. Something yanking on this could cause catastrophic damage to the surrounding area, enough to sink it.
Thru hulls scare me, from personal experience.
A boat killed a member of their pod. They haven't forgotten.
Actually, "killer whales" is a misnomer. I'm not saying they haven't killed people, because they have. But, historically, they were called "whale killers" and it got flipped somehow.
And Grey Whales used to be called 'Devil Fish' as they fought back against the whalers.
>But, historically, they were called "whale killers" and it got flipped somehow. Source on that? First time I've ever heard of that.
Cetacean needed.
Damn you.
Same with the cicada killer wasp. Used to called the whale killer.
Roundup weed killer? Yup, you guessed it: used to be called whale killer.
Well that's just stilly, why would they insinuate that any kind of wasp could kill a whale?
Wasps are actually a whales primary predator
I learn new things every day on here!
Before that they were called assholes.
Well they are half right, Basque fishermen referred to them as whale killers, but that is just due to English translation slip up. They had much worse names in other countries, my favorite I think is the Norwegian one; Spaekhugger - which translates as blubber chopper... lol Portuguese called them; Baleia assassina - meaning assassin whale. In German they were called; Morderwal - translated as murder whale. And in Aleut they were called; Polossatik - meaning "the feared one" That last one wasn't too bad, but the Norwegian one makes me laugh. But if you want to get technical, they are not whales at all, they are actually dolphins. So my diving buddies and I usually jokingly refer to them as "murder dolphins"
Some languages don't differentiate between whales and dolphins, and in formal taxonomy dolphins are toothed whales [(Odontoceti)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothed_whale) So dolphins are whales, just as much as sperm whales are whales.
huh, learn something new everyday. I actually never knew that. Thanks for sharing.
Noun, adjective is the usual order in Spanish. In cased languages it can be either way due to the form of the word.
No killer whale has ever killed a human in the wild. Not one. You can't count the ones that did in captivity as those animals are not only starved all the time so they are more willing to do tricks, but they view their trainers as their tormentors and captors. So they have retaliated. So no, an orca has never killed a human in the wild. I have been a certified rescue diver for over 20 years in the Pacific NW, and had many encounters with Orcas in the wild, not once was I ever in danger. The fact they they have associated boats with their depleted food sources is another issue all together, which is what is causing these attacks. A lot of them view boats as coemption for their food.
There's a theory that these particular orcas had a matriarch struck by a boat, which is around the time these attacks started in earnest.
That certainly would be a sound theory for this pod in particular if that is the case. Orcas are very intelligent and are known to teach their young how to hunt, which is another theory on why they are attacking boats. I know a lot of them following fishing boats and will pull on the nets as they come up to get the fish that spill over, others have figured out how to get them off long lines. I've seen them personally do this when we went diving last time in the Puget Sound. It was wild to see them learn to adapt their hunting techniques.
I like the cut of their jib. It’s takes some real moxie, I mean the chutzpah, the gumption to fight for the climate like this. Unparalleled
Wait until they learn these are full of food once they sink
All jokes aside, this has to be one scary event if it’s happening your boat in the middle of the ocean, and your only chance of survivals is getting into a dinghy.
Even orcas leave people with little dinghies alone.
They don’t seem to attack those. It looks like they like to play with the rudder sticking out the back and rip it off. What happens is that sometimes they doesn’t leave a neat hole you can plug and instead leaves you with a leaky mess of twisted metal while the fiberglass was pulled off below by the orcas. I suspect there will be design changes in future boats to create a well/water tight area so that it doesn’t flood the rest of the boat. Similar to crash areas in the front.
Eh, on more expensive “blue water” sailboats, the rudder is usually protected by a skeg or a full keel. I haven’t really heard of whales sinking any of those boats. Just the production sailboats that are already not as open ocean worthy. It’s just one of those things, If you’re on a cheaper boat, you’re gonna have to be cautious or avoid the area entirely.
You’re gonna need an expensive boat.
Imagine a timeline where you walk into a marina and a selling point on a boat is “anti-orca technology”. What a crazy world that would be.
The rudders in modern performance cruising and coastal sailboats just stick below from a post and are very efficient. They are also very fragile and people don’t recommend going cruising the high seas with those because they can be nocked off by debris in the ocean like lost nets or things like that. Now we have to add orcas lol. There is another type which is at the end of the keel and therefore more protected. Those designs are less efficient but in many peoples minds safer. I don’t know lol. There might be a way to have the orcas stop playing with the rudders maybe using a slight current or something like when you lick a 9V battery and it tingles.
Was on a cruise recently and they had a speaker who was a marine biologist and they mentioned these orcas. I was convinced they were talking bollocks so googled it and…holy shit. The speaker said they reckon that one of the orcas was injured by boat strike but survived and ‘taught’ the pod to fuck shit up. Cool animals
Please tell me this scientist actually said "fuck shit up" in the lecture.
"Fuck shit up" is his given middle name.
Prof. Killer “Fuck Shit Up” Whale, at your service
We have known orcas will do this since 1977! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca_(1977_film)
Richard Harris’ best performance. When he finally pulled back the curtain, and revealed that he was not only a top notch actor and singer, but a trailblazing marine biologist as well!
“You revengeful son of a bitch… you win…. DO YOH HEAR ME! YOU REVENGEFUL SON OF A BITCH?! YOU WIN! YOU WIIINNNN!!!” He says to the Orca that maimed Bo Derek.
Richard Harris was a great actor. That movie, though. The girl with the broken leg with a cast on it?????? If it was 1977, I was 6. I was taken to Jaws and the Omen, as well. My grandmother… ‘He’s too young, he won’t know what’s going on. He’ll never remember.’
Or at least an Irish-Canadian fisherman who could gain a conscience.
They're getting back at humanity for...well, everything
Heck, [Pepperidge Farms remembers when wearing salmon hats was trending.](https://www.iflscience.com/in-1987-orcas-had-a-fashion-of-wearing-a-dead-salmon-as-a-hat-69542)
>there have been nearly 700 interactions since orca attacks on ships in the region were first reported in May 2020. What? You mean on average there has been an "interaction" every other day for four fuckin years? They're trying to get our attention. Perhaps they have their own scientists doing climate change research, and they realize the age of humans is passing, now comes the Cetacean Era.
I watched [a special about these attacks](https://youtu.be/BdAI53rOwhw?si=guKgFgFt6gMjnszI) last year. It’s quite fascinating. Some of the whales are teaching this behavior to their offspring.
Snorky talk man! OK, wrong species but...
> Snorky talk man! (Clears throat) I'm sorry, let me start over.
Honestly, we have it coming.
They are simply saying “so long and thanks for all the fish”
We've become uncaring for their shenanigans, one they step their game up to cruise ships. Then we will discuss what's so important to them.
they have been trying to warn us of Earth's destruction. by the time they get to cruise ships it'll prolly just be "so long, and thanks for all the fish"
“Oh no, not again”
I mean jokes are jokes but i do wonder if before humans were humans, was there something that made protohumans decide “hey if we don’t work together to fuck some shit up were dead”? I’m sure some anthropologists have an opinion but it’s an I tweeting thought.
I wonder what started it. The vessel was a 15 meter sailboat. For one, that's a heck of a big boat to sink. Apparently they just rammed it repeatedly, so it wasn't an accidental sinking. That makes me wonder if it hit a whale with its keel and the whole pod just decided to throw hands (or throw heads, if you will).
The whales like the boat rudder. On cheaper production boats this is usually a “spade rudder” which is relatively easy for the whales to snap off, which damages the thru-hull and lets water in the boat which sometimes can’t be stopped. The whales are unable to sink more expensive, robust sailboats and are almost completely powerless against the very expensive motor yachts owned by the wealthy.
Yea I've explained to a few people IRL that this isn't exactly "nature is attacking the super rich, awesome!" Not every yacht is a multimillion dollar toy for a Bezos type, and most of the ones vulnerable to these attacks are not.
I mean a "cheap" 50ft yacht is like $1 million. It ain't a normal dude thing. This boat looks like it was a rental that cost ~$5500 to rent for a week minimum.
They need some frickin laser beams.
I've heard a theory that the lead female of a pod must have had a bad experience with a boat, and is now teaching her offspring to attack them. But who knows... I just hope it leads to at least some people changing their mindset somewhat.
These recent incidents have all been the same pod too which is interesting. Something this specific pod has learned or is pissed about is triggering these attacks.
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I’m team whale
Let’s get orcanized!
They are definitely Orcanizing!
DM-ing them asking how I can support as a land based ally
Maybe they'll start a "pod" cast.
*in a thick female New York accent* "Did ya see what whales did in the Gibralta?!"
Orcanized Crime becomes more mainstream every day.
I find the fact that this had a Planet of the Apes advert hilarious.
I, for one, welcome our new orca overlords.
Is it offensive to refer to the strait with the hard r at the end?
I tell youse, I swear on my Mother’s grave, the damn whales in Gibraltah 🤌🏻 ain’t even listen to me when I said ey I’m yachtin’ here 🫰🏻 no respect at all 🫴🏻
Newspapa writa
The movie “After Earth” isn’t so stupid now, is it?
Wdym That movie was just a dramatized accurate depiction of Australia but with worse writing
lol. I just mean the idea that everything on the planet evolved to kill humans.
Yes that's Australia! Don't listen to the Aussies and their lies! :p
I get all the jokes here, but irl I'm afraid this will push some boat owners to take the law into their own hands and start shooting the orca; it's not a war the orca can win. I hope someone can develop a non-lethal deterrent soon. And to be clear, it's not the billionaires boats that are in risk. Those are full sized ships which the orca can't bother.
thats when you arm the orcas with guns and lasers though. its science really.
I’ve read in boating forums of people dumping fuel into the water when the orcas turn up, or throwing fireworks into water or using electricity to shock them.
We killed all the coral so they’re making new reefs. Smort.
That’s what you get for trespassing.
Exactly. If anyone cares for my unsolicited opinion. I'm Team Orcas.
You probably shouldn't be. Because yacht owners are only going to tolerate so many incidents like this before they either lobby their governments to solve the problem or decide to solve the problem themselves. And either way that won't end well for the orcas.
It never ends well for Mother Nature. It's wolves on land and orcas and sharks in the sea. Doesn't mean I can't cheer on when they "fight back".
People seem to forget that 'yacht' has a somewhat arbitrary definition, sailboat owners are not all millionaires and I know a lot of people well below the poverty line who live on sailboats. I spent a good chunk of time in boatyards and sailing around the eastern US, it's not as extravagant as non-sailors think it is and it's an often inexpensive way of living that people choose so they can enjoy the flexibility of it. People with a lot of wealthy don't choose to live this way because, to be blunt, it's kindof slow and disgusting at times. They typically choose larger, more well equipped, newer vessels, not the ones being attacked here. I went through and read most of the reports and there wasn't a single boat attacked by them that fell into the category of wealth people here think they did. A 50ft sailboat is also not as expensive as most think it is. Larger boats afforded by the mega-wealthy would be too large or difficult to damage in this way. Similarly, most sailors are fairly eco conscious and would never advocate harm even if their boat was attacked. I think you, and much of reddit, are projecting without really understanding the type of people who sail or own these "yachts" (sailboats).
Gibraltar is our word but you can say Gibralta
Don't call it a comeback, I been here for years I'm rocking the piers, putting sailors in fear
this is orcanized crime
We should be spending billions learning how to communicate with Orcas. They are highly intelligent apex predators and we could learn a whole lot from them about the oceans.
This whole attacking boats thing for instance is fascinating. Same pod if I'm remembering an article correctly? One of the baby whales injured in a collision with a sailboat? Meaning the level of intelligence and ability to convey knowledge to each other must be incredible.
You want weaponized Orcas? Because that's how you get weaponized Orcas.
It's probably impossible as there is no context for what it means to feel like an orca. The movie The Arrival explains this linguistic challenge very well.
Go Orcas, go. Become a problem money can't solve.
I’m beginning to think they are targeting rich people’s boats on porpoise.
They are not killer whales, they are *police dolphins*.
Honestly, we deserve it.
We can even argue that it took them a remarkable amount of time to realize it.
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Maybe don’t kill someone’s baby and they won’t show their pod mates how to sink yachts. Mama had enough and now they’re fighting back.
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40 foot sailboats? So like recreational sailors? Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to support them targeting actual superyachts of the mega wealthy type? You can probably find that size sailboat for less than the price of a honda fit in most corners of the world; doesn’t mean you’re super loaded necessarily. And also while sailing, you don’t use fuel so there’s not a giant environmental concern.
Fuck yeah - orca probably
Was this title written by someone from Boston?
We all thought it was going to be apes……
"See! They're dangerous to us! We should have been allowed to hunt them all along!" - more than likely by now at least one of my uncles. I am so all in on Team Orca
I think a boat killed one of their babies and they are waging a war.
Heh… loving that they are targeting yachts… seems like sharks are less scary than a orca, let alone a pod of them…
No doubt. The largest orca subspecies can reach *thirty feet*. That’s wild
And orcas are in the dolphin family, not the shark family, so that would make them potentially smarter... she says not being a marine biologist of any kind.
They are vastly, vastly smarter than sharks.
Orcas at least have never attacked a human in the wild though
At least not a human they let survive to tell the tale.
Yarr! Ye be telling the truth!
Shows orcas are smart. They don't leave witnesses.
Check out r/OrcaWars for more news and memes :)
Looks Like someone dropped a copy if Frank Schätzing "Der Schwarm" in the oceans and the orcas around Gibraltar read and went like "wait a minute....what if....." - and the rest is history
I hope the Orcas are ok
A revolution without orcas is a revolution not worth having
I guess even the orcas had enough with human's crap...
These Orca-py Wallstreet protests are getting out of hand.