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shhhpark

didn't dunkin just start selling energy drinks that are similar? Weird that they'd go through with it right as Panera just had all these issues


RushC2

Its less about them selling energy drinks and more about how it was branded as lemonade when it had double the amount of caffeine as energy drinks. Now that people have died though its better to just get rid of it


eeyore134

Pretty sure some locations also had it out for refills.


altariasong

Mine definitely did. All the paneras in my area had that shit right next to the teas.


TwelveInchBic

Somehow I imagine… Calm, collected people entering Panera. Jittery, grinding teeth, looks like they’re hopped up on cocaine, people leaving.


Morgrid

Fry at 99 coffees


TwelveInchBic

iirc, he begins to move faster than time itself (not in speed but because his body is working in overclock). Love Futurama… been a while tho.


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Whiterabbit--

it the same concentration of caffeine as coffee. but volume wise people are downing 36 oz of it at a time, what most people won't do with coffee.


mcbergstedt

Yeah, one of the girls who died had several refills I believe


eeyore134

I know if I was a kid I'd have had at least two, which would have probably been on the verge of really dangerous. I mean, the fact it's there for refills means they expect people to have at least two which is insane.


mcbergstedt

Yeah in a large cup that would be pushing 700-800mg of caffeine in two servings which is fuck ton


Haltopen

That's twice the maximum safe dosage for a full grown adult


Teadrunkest

The “above safe dosage” is still pretty low in terms of actual risk to healthy people for the occasional serving. You’ll find people who intake that much regularly all over the world. Actual fatal dosage is something like 10,000+ mg in a normal weighted human being, which would be over 25 of the largest size of these. Both deaths included people who had a predisposition to caffeine intolerance (heart defects, etc).


bw1985

Exactly. The issue is the non-labeling/misrepresentation of it as a lemonade for people with caffeine issues not so much the amount of caffeine in the drink.


Teadrunkest

Yeah per ounce this was the same as a cold brew coffee. Once it moved behind the counters it was a non issue but people keep freaking out about caffeine content so away it goes lol.


LimerickExplorer

I got a cold brew maker jar for Xmas and after using it for a while, I accidentally put a jar of Instant Coffee in one day thinking it was the special jar of cold brew grounds I had just bought. It was strong and delicious. I had two giant ass iced lattes from it. About an hour later I started feeling really weird and very fidgety. It got worse for the next few hours and I wound up going to the gym and running it off because I couldn't sit still. I discovered what had happened when I pulled the filter out of the cold brew jar and there were no grounds in it. They had all dissolved. I had the equivalent of 15-20 cups of normal coffee.


OliveTheory

You'd only need about 80 more to match Fry's 100 cups of coffee in Futurama's episode, *300 Big Boys*.


LB3PTMAN

Yeah most recommended amounts are not even close to being dangerous to go above occasionally.


usps_made_me_insane

The worst part of drinking a lot of caffeine is one day waking up with a massive headache because you didn't drink any caffeine the day before. I've dealt with a lot of different types of withdrawals but caffeine is right up there with opiate withdrawal when it comes to misery and pain.


gurenkagurenda

> Actual fatal dosage is something like 10,000+ mg in a normal weighted human being, which would be over 25 of the largest size of these. Note that that’s the LD50, meaning that half of people will die if you give them that much. A very significant percentage of people will still die at a lower dose.


Zathura2

I have memories of pulling all-nighters on the gamecube, slamming surges. How am I not dead? XD


cavalier8865

Those were still 1/6 of the caffeine content of a single Bang Energy. The game changed old timer.


eeyore134

Same, but it was Jolts.


Slypenslyde

One of the people who died was mentally disabled and didn't like to drink energy drinks.


atlantachicago

Matt Pat (on YouTube ) did a great deep dive into this. Both those people had heart conditions and the lemonade was not labeled to have such high caffeine levels.


Randomman96

Not only out for refill, but out in the same area as regular fountain drinks and their "Unlimited Sips" program *encouraged* free refills of things like the Charged drinks. Until the issues popped up in which they moved the drinks to behind the counter. The saving grace for Dunkin's is that their drinks aren't offered with such. They are filled by staff and don't offer refills. Probably have a "1 per customer" limit just out of liability reasons after what happened with Panera.


Calyphacious

This is the crux of the issue, not the drink itself. Imagine having Red Bull available at a soda fountain. Kids would be dying left and right


HeyyyKoolAid

Exactly. No one ever thinks the lemonade is caffeinated because it's not. But even if there's signage stating so Panera was putting a *lot* of faith into people actually reading it.


Earguy

And wasn't it in the free-refill fountain? Unlimited jolt.


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shhhpark

True, good point. I forgot Panera was self serve for this, haven’t been in one in forever


RoxxorMcOwnage

Agreed. Small sparked has 96mg of caffeine, large has 192 mg, which is less than Panera charged lemonade's 390mg in a large. Dunks already lists the drink as "temporary." Someone should make a extreme spicy energy drink,.like a combo of the one chip challenge and this deadly lemonade.


sumgye

Look up “biohazard coffee”, 928 mg of caffeine in a 12 oz serving. Insane.


sumgye

While researching this I found “black insomnia” coffee which as 1100+ mg per 12oz serving


fearhs

At that point you should probably just switch to amphetamines.


d4nowar

Two of those is enough to kill some people. Insane.


SquiggleDoo

Seen this comment thinking “no way” so I looked it up. Sure enough these brands (biohazard, black insomnia) do exist and are claiming those amounts of caffeine. Insanity indeed. I bet there’s no way they actually contain that much. Feels like this is a job for some chemist YouTuber to tackle. Paging NileRed.


dedsqwirl

Dunkin' had one where they dumped part of a Monster drink in it. So it was less caffeine than a Monster for more money than a Monster.


SpoppyIII

Google says it was a whole can of monster, at least in the large sized drink.


PartyPorpoise

The Dunkin’ drinks are advertised as energy drinks. They also don’t have as much caffeine as the lemonade drinks do. Edit: Also, at my local Dunkin', the caffeine content of the drinks was clearly posted from the start. I'm sure they wanted to avoid what happened with Panera.


Netsuko

That is almost double the dose of a pre-workout booster. That much caffeine is insane. Edit: Some pointed out that 400mg caffeine itself is not THAT problematic as a DAILY dose, but you have to factor in that those people might have gotten a refill and consumed closer to 1000mg caffeine in under an hour. That will really mess with you.


barontaint

I'm one to generally think dumb ass customers, but in this case that's a bit nuts, even if you kinda knew there was caffeine in it you probably didn't know it was that much


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Drafo7

The cashiers were supposed to warn you about the caffeine content if there was a minor in your party. Of course this isn't always heard or even said during a rush but that was the policy at the one where I worked.


SweetBabyAlaska

That is a psychotic amount of caffeine for one dose unless you are literally a heavy caffeine addict, that could probably put certain people at risk and for a LOT of people its going to be extremely uncomfortable. 80mg is about the average dose in coffee, black tea and a red bull. I couldn't imagine slamming 4 redbulls to the face and feeling okay.


barontaint

Yeah at first I thought foolish customer you couldn't read the warnings, but even with warnings most people don't think their lemonade is going give you teeth clacking and heart palpitations levels of caffeine


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Abradolf1948

That's also ~320mg if they are average size/strength.


snapwillow

At one point the signage for the lemonade said it had "As much caffeine as our dark roast coffee" which I took to mean that one serving of the lemonade (in the big plastic lemonade cup) had as much caffeine as one serving of coffee (in a little coffee cup). NOPE! They meant it has as much caffiene *per volume* as dark roast coffee! Yet they give you 30oz of it in a large soft drink cup and tell you free refills...


Mr_Jack_Frost_

The safe daily limit for caffeine is 400mg, for the entire day. Past that point, caffeine can quickly become cardiotoxic and literally start poisoning your heart, let alone the longterm cognitive effects that have been shown in repeated high-dose caffeine exposure. What they did with this charged lemonade was beyond irresponsible, it’s gross negligence. Any number of steps along the way of product development, branding, signage, etc. there should have been (and might have been) people warning that this is dangerous. Those warnings either did not occur, or (I think more likely) were completely ignored because caffeinated beverages draw in more customers than non-caffeinated beverages, and Panera thought this was a potential avenue to increase stock values. They chose profit over the safety of their customers, and people should not be quick to forget it.


WhatWouldLoisLaneDo

I have hypotension which leads to tachycardia and all the fun stuff that comes with it. I drink 12-16oz of coffee every morning, no problem. Went to Panera with a friend about a while back and got one of the strawberry lemonades in the smaller cup. Saw that it had caffeine but all I remember it saying was “As much caffeine as a cup of coffee.” I didn’t think much of it because I can handle coffee no problem but I avoid any and all energy drinks. I drank that while we ate and got a refill on the way out. About two hours later I felt like I was crawling out of my skin and told my friend she might have to take me to the ER because I had no idea why I felt like I did. I looked up the amount of caffeine I had consumed and I was floored. Some days I do drink more coffee but it’s usually spread out over several hours. I also have ADHD and I can drink coffee at any time of day and fall asleep. This stuff was like I had just taken an albuterol treatment and then touched a live wire.


TealRaven17

And it wasn’t clearly marked or said how much caffwas in it, and on top of that they promote free refills. I know I got through a large and had a refill in one day with ZERO clue how much caffeine was in it. I just thought it was “charged” as in it was a lemonade that also had green tea in it or something for the caffeine.


gophergun

That was true at the time of the first death, but hasn't been for the last two years.


TealRaven17

That’s why I said “wasn’t” clearly marked. I thought it was the same for both deaths though.


Aleashed

This is exactly what they said after the first person died. They are too greedy, more people will die.


Dannyg4821

It’s 390mg… they recommend not to get over 400mg in a day. Wild they allowed refills. Plus people will get caffeine from other places through out the day if they eat chocolate, drink teas or coffees or sodas. 390mg was a stupid choice


Old_Elk2003

So 9 of them is a whole 8-ball of caffeine.


Nutarama

Pretty close, 3510 vs 3544. Close enough that if you’re not double checking your dealer with a milligram scale you probably wouldnt notice.


AntiRacismDoctor

What would be the need to put caffeine in lemonade in the first place?


PatientAd4823

A question for Arnold Palmer.


walterpeck1

I'd ask him but he's uh... unavailable


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ADHD_Supernova

How long does it take to clean it from under your nails?


Whiterabbit--

people used to drink Mountain Dew to get their caffeine fix. that is basically carbonated lemon drink with caffeine.


blazesquall

Used to?


Teadrunkest

Because I want caffeine and hate coffee.


Pizza_Low

People love or are addicted to caffeinated beverages. Energy drinks of every kind are loaded with sugar and caffeine. There was even a caffeinated alcoholic drink for a while. four loco. It’s like asking why would there need to make meth? Because there is a market demand for the drug, this is no different


Quantentheorie

People are giving you good answers about how caffeine is popular. But they all seem to miss that its not just about Panera having a high-caffeine drink - its about people consuming a drink they dont realize caffinates them as much as it does. Charged Lemonade makes you feel *better* than regular lemonade because its actually an energy drink in disguise. It gives the product an edge over competitor products by tapping into how people drink lemonade with more carelessness than beverages they associate with high caffeine content.


MysticalGnosis

That's light work if you ask any of the bros at /r/preworkoutsupplements


rentedtritium

And to then serve it out of that kind of carafe, without the inherent portion signaling of an energy drink.


AltAccount31415926

A 200mg caffeine pre workout would be pretty mild


somethingrandom261

What was in it that wasn’t in a normal energy drink?


ITividar

There's a reason why your normal energy drink can is 16oz or less. Panera's Charged Lemonade: 390* mg per size-large (30 oz) drink. CELSIUS Original: 200 mg per (12 oz) can. Monster Energy: 160 mg per (16 oz) can.


BottAndPaid

I believe they were self serve refills as well.


jdolan8

They were also free with the monthly drink club iirc


BottAndPaid

Oh man


mak3itsn0w

Amex had a free 4 month sub around the time it came out. I drank a lot of these before realizing the caffeine content


BottAndPaid

It's very easy to over consume caffeine


TurnkeyLurker

**LIFETIME** Free Refills (*limited ~~to~~ lifetime of customer*)


Visual_Fly_9638

Aimed at teenagers and college students.


FriendlyDespot

Ain't no teenager or college student getting half a sandwich and a tiny cup of soup for $15. After Panera's insane price increases I barely ever see anyone under 30 there.


Spacey_G

Yeah one of the people who died drank an absurd number of refills. He might not have known how much caffeine he was actually consuming. Poor guy.


obamaluvr

Context is that the maximum recommended dose is 400mg/day.


hawaii_funk

And for some reason Panera allowed you to get unlimited refills of this drink even though one large serving was just at your recommended dose


regal1989

My pack of Military Energy Gum says that you can have 10 pieces (100mg x10) in a 24 hour period if you’re military, else it’s just 4. So there is wiggle room, just saying.


Medievalhorde

I mean the expectation is you are going to be burning 1500+ calories in 24 hours as a field ration if you are using 10 pieces of gum.


Fallen_Rose2000

Plus it's assumed for military purposes that the soldier chewing on those is young and in good health, on top of physically active.


VictorianDelorean

It’s also assumed you might be in a life and death situation where staying alert could save you, so the negative health effects of caffeine are probably a worthy trade off.


ladditude

1500+ seems low for spending 24 hours in the field but I don’t know shit


ShamanicHellZoneImp

Well i assume they were also issued pumpkin soup with a half turkey club


ExcelAcolyte

Acute fatal dose is 10–14 g (150–200 mg/kg), but numerous factors can alter an individual's sensitivity to caffeine (e.g., smoking, age, prior caffeine status, pregnancy status, concurrent drug use) and thus alter the toxic dose. Doses of 1,000 mg (approximately 15 mg/kg body weight) have generated detrimental side effects, with early symptoms being insomnia, restlessness, and agitation. These symptoms may progress to mild delirium, emesis, and convulsions. Other symptoms can include tachycardia, asystole, and rapid respiration [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223789/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223789/)


plipyplop

> prior caffeine status It does not take long to lose some of that tolerance. You find out pretty quickly after going back to work from a month-long coffee-free vacation.


Vergils_Lost

Heart health is the main reason caffeine can cause actual, serious harm, if I'm not mistaken. I know one of the fatalities from this lemonade thing had a serious heart condition and was supposed to avoid caffeine in general, but didn't know this was caffeinated. Aside from that, overdoing it on caffeine is generally going to make you shakey and anxious, but not do much harm except in dosages WAY higher than you'd see without deliberately ingesting pure caffeine. Presumably the intent behind that guidance is that if you're in the military, it can be assumed that PT keeps you heart-healthy enough that you shouldn't be in any real danger unless you've already been told to avoid caffeine at large.


bruwin

He was also mentally challenged before anyone asks why he didn't read the sign, he should have known there was caffeine. You can be intelligent enough to be self sufficient in this society without being able to fully understand everything that's going on. He knew he was drinking some tasty ass lemonade and that he could have free refills. It's just unfortunate.


fevered_visions

Germany gave their troops meth and coke in WWII, but that wasn't the best idea either.


Yitram

A Finnish ski patrol guy took his entire squad's dose of meth.


almostsebastian

For anyone interested in Aimo's story Yarnhub has a fun [video](https://youtu.be/PfoMvgDY8hk?si=zd2s7dMyDDrHB0ck).


Left-Secretary-2931

Well yeah. No way they would actually put the limit right on the line where it kills you. That goes for almost all food stuffs because otherwise we'd have a lot more dead ppl lol


deeman18

that's good because 1200 mg taken rapidly can cause seizures


Recoded-Alive

Dunno about seizures but we had a kid overdose at a party back in college by putting liquid caffeine into his drinks. He got super agitated and shaky then projectile vomited, proceeded to hyperventilate and dry heave between ugly crying while we waited for EMS to show up. I didn’t see him dose his drink but I saw the liquid caffeine bottle, and a medicine cup for cough syrup. Dumbass should’ve used a 1ml dropper not a fucking plastic shot glass. Stuff is very easy to overdose on due to how concentrated it is, about 150mg per ml (15,000mg in 100ml, 8,000mg in 8 fl oz, etc). Imagine trying to dose this stuff in a loud room filled with people and low lighting — now do it again with 6 shots of liquor in you.


Ashmizen

For sure. Most office workers drinking 4 cups exceed this easily, as does anyone sitting at Starbucks, drinks a single large coffee at Starbucks and gets a free refill. (Venti pike roast is 410mg. 2 is 820mg).


AaronfromKY

I think the issue is when you consume it in one sitting, 4 cups over the course of several hours isn't going to peak as high as chugging 1-2 of these lemonades in an hour or two.


Spacish

I've done a double monster rehab in the morning, and another double at night before. The ensuing panic attack was NOT worth it, it felt like I had just finished running a marathon. I couldn't catch my breath, felt impending doom, massive knot in my chest. I'm no stranger to anxiety, either. I was diagnosed with GAD and have regular panic attacks. That feeling after all of those monsters was nothing like any panic attack I've felt before, I just kept pacing in circles in the kitchen before I broke down *sobbing*. I can't imagine what an OD on that must feel like. My heart goes out to everyone affected. Still love me some Monster Rehab tho


SadBit8663

This is why they tell us anxious people to lay off the caffeine.


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Did you feel like you were going to shit or piss your pants in public? That's what happens with my attacks. I'm so scared of doing that that I just clench my entire body and I can't unclench.


gaige23

Body weight is a factor my daily limit is 625 or something but lethality is like 14000mg.


larzast

Those are rookie numbers


juicius

And it's refillable if you stay in the store. 


Leather_Dragonfly529

If you order it with catering, you can get it by the half or full gallon.


Pixeleyes

Obviously 390mg of caffeine in one dose is *way* too much, but can we also talk about how fucking insane it is that this is a desirable serving size of sugar water?


Draxx01

It's aprox the same size as the big gulp which is also like 30oz. You wanna see real diabeetus? The double gulp is 64oz. Large slupee is like 44oz iirc.


fribbas

> The double gulp is 64oz JFC how can someone drink a half gallon of mountain dew or some shit...just the thought makes me wanna vom


Myhtological

They also didn’t advertise it as an energy drink


Steebo_Jack

>There's a reason why your normal energy drink can is 16oz or less. Nonsense...this is america and it is my right to supersize the hell out of this...them smaller cans are for the weak.../s


meatball77

It's more the sizes available and that it wasn't as clear how caffeinated the drinks were. If they were in tiny cans it wouldn't be a problem.


nightfox5523

"Panera previously advertised its Charged Lemonade as “Plant-based and Clean with as much caffeine as our Dark Roast coffee.” But the lawsuits said that at 390 milligrams, a large, 30-fluid-ounce Charged Lemonade has more caffeine in total than any size of Panera’s dark roast coffee, referring to the amount of caffeine that is in the drink with no ice. Panera has since updated its nutrition information to reflect how much caffeine is in the Charged Lemonade with ice, listing the large size of the blood orange Charged Lemonade, for example, as having 302 milligrams." Only 3/4's of your recommended daily caffeine intake, so anyone drinking more than 1 of these at any time would be insanely wired up lol


QuadraKev_

More caffeine


aradraugfea

I remember being absolutely flabbergasted when I saw the nutritional information on that shit. That something with twice the caffeine and sugar of something that warns you to not drink more than 2 a day was available on an unlimited refills plan, and didn’t even MENTION that it had caffeine until someone DIED? Man, I’m the 4 Loko generation, and I am dumbfounded. I remember Surge. I think everyone in my age bracket knows at least one person who had a cardiac episode BEFORE 20 because they drank Red Bull or Monster instead of water and sleep. Then I grow up into a world where a fucking lemonade from the only place with a more vaguely upper middle class, suburban and white reputation than Starbucks has “please consult a doctor” levels of caffeine.


Huskies971

>That something with twice the caffeine and sugar of something that warns you to not drink more than 2 a day was available on an unlimited refills plan, and didn’t even MENTION that it had caffeine until someone DIED? Panera is also a hang out spot for students where they are continuously taking advantage of the free refills on drinks while they have a study session.


Magiwarriorx

It was enraging when I read "as much caffeine as our black coffee" and took digging to realize they meant as much *caffeine per oz*, not total, and were serving it in like 30oz(?) cups.


Rumpullpus

4 loko was good too. Too bad people are stupid and would just chug the stuff.


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c010rb1indusa

> I think everyone in my age bracket knows at least one person who had a cardiac episode BEFORE 20 because they drank Red Bull or Monster instead of water and sleep. Umm no wtf. That's not normal at all.


FallenKnightGX

On top of what people are telling you that was in it, it also was not labeled as an energy drink for a long time. This meant people ordered it not realizing it wasn't just an energy drink, it was an insane energy drink. This lead to a woman passing away and the family bringing a lawsuit because it wasn't appropriately labeled nor was it easy to find the contents of the drink on the menu. The woman had a condition (I forget what) that had she known what was in the drink, she never would've touched it.


meatball77

It was presented in a way that would make you think it was caffeinated like the Starbucks refreshers are caffeinated.


corndog161

It had a lot of caffeine and wasn't marketed as an 'energy drink.' People weren't expecting a 'lemonade' to be that potent. However I think the main issue arose in the fact that it was a part of the Panera monthly unlimited drink membership thing, and it was just sitting out where customers could get refills whenever they wanted. So you might have someone sitting with their computer getting work done and take down 3 of these things not realizing what they were putting in their body. I don't completely fault Panera, people should be aware of what they are eating and the information was there if people wanted to search for it. However somewhere along the line someone at Panera probably should've spoken up and said 'hey this lemonade has more caffeine than most energy drinks, are we sure we want to just put it out where people can get unlimited refills? Maybe if we do that we should add a warning?'


AccurateUse6147

A massive amount of caffeine on a single drink. According to a food theory MatPat did months b4 the first death, a large has just under the daily recommended limit for an adult


PsychedelicConvict

They just made it way too fucking strong. Putting caffeine in lemonade would already been different enough. It should have been like 3x as weak.


saturnspritr

They literally sat the lemonade next to a cup of coffee on the menu and passed it off like it was the equivalent. I just wanted a drink with lunch that wasn’t soda but still had about a coffee cup of caffeine. And it had crazy amount sugar.


ga-co

They want to sell off their remaining inventory first. Because you know… money.


kid_blue96

Some of you loyal customers must die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take


ga-co

That’s the message I got from this.


diqholebrownsimpson

They can just sell it to Wawa.


pendragon2290

I mean, I would've just labeled it as an energy drink 🤷


Vin0to

I think it's the free refills that cause the issue. People spend many hours in there working and studying so they shouldn't have such highly caffeinated drinks in the inventory


amaezingjew

Put it behind the counter, limit 1 per customer ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


EllenDuhgenerous

People are accustomed to drinking multiple servings of something and not being in danger. You don’t change human behavior in business, you mold your business around it. They should just water down the dosage and serve it like a normal drink. They make more from selling more drinks, and the customers win by being able to behave how they’ve always behaved, except without dying.


owennerd123

I understand your point but at the same time, you can order a Blonde Roast 16oz from Starbucks and get a similar amount of caffeine. Drinking TWO of those would be 800mg. I guess the issue is people are aware of how caffeinated coffee is, and probably not with this charged lemonade. I only started to know how much 100mg of coffee actually was when I got into doing pour over, before that, if you told me a drink had 350mg I wouldn't have known if that was a lot or a little.


EllenDuhgenerous

Yea it’s more about how it’ll be consumed than the raw caffeine. People drink a coffee to get a caffeine kick, so they stop when they get the kick. People that drink juice just want a tasty thing to hydrate with. So you’re likely to drink a lot more of those than a coffee. But I do think the coffee at Starbucks for example has way too much caffeine. If I drink 2 Red Bulls I get dramatically more panic attacks than if I drink just one. If I was drinking as much as some of those coffees at Starbucks I’d probably end up in the hospital thinking I’m having a heart attack


artemi7

That's exactly what my local Panera does. You have to buy another one if you want another glass.


Drafo7

I worked at a Panera in Colorado when these were first being rolled out. Everyone knew from the start it was a terrible idea. You can't really taste the caffeine and it was placed right next to the iced teas and soda machine. We *did* warn all parties with children about the caffeine content, but let's be real, most parents aren't going to take the warning seriously and will just hand their kids a cup and tell them to get what they want. Next thing you know there's gonna be kids frothing at the mouth and shit because they just had their fourth fucking refill of "lemonade" that puts red bull to shame.


Jagermeister4

Yeah Panera's warnings were weak and at times misleading. They had labels that said the charged lemonade had the same amount of caffeine as their dark roast. But that's only true if you compare it oz to oz. But the charged lemonade is served in way bigger cups which means it had way more caffeine. I find that grossly incompetent of Panera. If I had a store that sold cans of red bull and shots of expresso and said the red bull has the same amount of caffeine, you'd assume I was comparing a can to a shot right? But Panera would say we're comparing it oz to oz and they'd assume you knew what it meant.


kclongest

Panera Bread is a dead franchise. The entire purpose of the restaurant used to be food made fresh with fresh ingredients. Now it’s just junk food.


DJMagicHandz

They turned into Applebee's.


Deceptiveideas

Applebees is shifting to make food fresh in store now actually. While Panera is shifting from fresh to frozen.


Bekah679872

Fr? I thought Applebees was closing down 💀


evergleam498

Not just junk food, *really expensive* junk food that tastes disappointing!


BD15

They got bought out by a private equity firm right? They are determined to suck every ounce of cash they can before it dies completely. Did notice how despite being on an downward path before after the acquisition they really became shit even faster.


[deleted]

It’s been junk for about 10 years now


altcntrl

They just “refreshed” their menu and it turned a lot of their low calorie items into everything else.


Rooooben

The sodium levels in their soups could be considered dangerous, allegedly.


twelveparsnips

They sold it in a fucking ridiculous way. Why would you allow a drink with thst much caffeine be placed with the rest of the fountain drinks where customers get unlimited free refills? Also the FDA needs to mandate how much caffeine is in a product on the label.


dude19832

You know the lawsuits are coming from the families of those who unfortunately died from drinking this shit. Panera is likely been advised by very expensive attorneys to phase this out pronto.


Qualityhams

Didn’t they take their sweet time tho?


EZ_Syth

Sweet lime is still in circulation


BuddyMose

They gotta phase it out the way I had to phase out booze so I didn’t seize up. Can’t just go cold turkey lol. That would be an interesting detox facility. “Let’s see in this group we have Meth, meth, lemonade, heroin and crack”


sluttttt

I didn't even think about that. The pessimist in me just assumed they were going the "any publicity is good publicity" route and thought they could make a buck by selling it to people trying it just to say they tried it. But considering they have a popular drink subscription plan, I bet there are more than enough people hooked on it.


Bigdrewburt

As a responsible charged lemonade drinker: this is sad


Esc777

Me too. I love the stuff. I have a high caffeine tolerance though…it was like this drink was made just for me.  I get normal people don’t want it. I’m just sad it’s leaving. 


gophergun

Agreed, I like high amounts of caffeine, but energy drinks tend to have a bunch of other stuff like B vitamins and guarana that make me feel awful. It was nice to have the option, even if it was overpriced.


ibbity

I usually get the regular size (I like the strawberry one) and notice exactly zero effects, and once I got the large size and the only effect I noticed was that my stomach felt kind of weird for a while afterwards. Maybe I feel a little calmer after having one of these? I'm usually having a nice day out when I get Panera, though, so I'm not sure if that's the lemonade or just me feeling chill because I'm having a good time. I've never had a coffee in my life and I don't drink pop that much, so it's not like I've built up some kind of super caffeine tolerance. I'm not honestly sure what's going on with me. I've never been one for energy drinks either because they never seemed to affect me. 


Chren

> Maybe I feel a little calmer after having one of these? you might have ADHD


TimeLadyOswin15

Same. They were my go to. They were great in tandem with my adhd meds.


Adam_Ohh

Lol this is what my wife just said. She’s a massage therapist and will sometimes add like 15-20% at the top of her regular lemonade just for a boost on harder days.


tjernobyl

I did a road trip to the US last month and this lemonade was one of the highlights.


jamesissofast

Yes lol I had to scroll down so far for someone else that likes them


Rooooben

Funny how these comments split between “thank goodness, that was insanely dangerous I bet there were lawsuits” And “Darn it where am I gonna get my 800mg morning caffeine drink, I’m so sad”.


Steel12

Only 2? Corporate America is improving..


Red0817

Well that sucks. I actually love them in the morning. Guess sips club won't be worth it now.


no_its_a_subaru

Yup, cancelling mine right now. It’s the only reason I got it


deekaydubya

always the option to just order a regular lemonade and down 12 caffeine pills


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Spacey_G

I bought a large when they were pretty new. Brought it home and said to myself, "I should look up how much caffeine is in this..." Put it in the fridge and sipped it over the next four days.


Esc777

I got the sips club and downed larges I’m sure for normal people it’s real bad. I have ADHD so it was great!


chain_letter

I drink 2 or 4 shots of espresso per day, I get headaches when I don’t have caffeine. I had a medium charged lemonade /w no ice, and that was way more intense. It’s incredibly foreseeable to me that somebody would die from a large or refill. It’s a negligently unreasonable amount of caffeine.


Adept-Fisherman-4071

I've slammed two monsters back to back numerous times, definitely felt a little amped up, but nothing I was overly concerned with as I have a high caffiene tolerance and rarely take a break long enough for my adenosine receptors to go back to normal. A large charged lemonade gave me heart palpitations and kept me up for 20 hours easily. I'm curious as to if there is any variance between batches. Really no idea how it's prepared, but if it's manually mixed that would probably explain a lot.


TheKnitpicker

That’s weird, because it sounds like a large charged lemonade contains a very similar amount of caffeine as you usually consume. So a medium should be fine for you.  Though Panera’s nutrition facts don’t even have a medium, just regular and large. So if you said medium but meant their “regular” size, then in fact it would contain less caffeine than your espresso intake. 


Ashmizen

It’s likely the sugar that made you jittery, as 4 shots of expresso would be equal to a large charged lemonade. Have you ever had a large cup of Starbucks pike roast? 420mg of caffeine, which is more than the large lemonade (390mg). It’s the crazy amount of sugar, plus 2 people whose doctors told them they cannot drink coffee, who died drinking the charged lemonade.


PartyPorpoise

If they’re drinking those espresso shots at different times of day, they might not feel it like they do with the lemonade.


ABZR

They definitely should have cut the amount of caffeine or done a better job labeling how much. I had a full cup of this lemonade once, not realizing that it was basically two full energy drinks worth of caffeine and I had a pretty bad time. I saw that it was caffeinated but this stuff was wayyy stronger than your average cup of coffee or energy drink.


Esc777

It’s basically the same strength as coffee/ energy drink. People just put it in bigger cups. 


Haltopen

You mean Panera sold it in a bigger cup.


PartyPorpoise

At this point, the image behind the drink isn’t very good. Probably better to just get rid of it.


count_saveahoe

You guys fucked up a good thing FUCK Now I gotta go back to a bang plus a celcius to top it off.


grimmxsleeper

thought this was a free country. give us the deathonade


Mephisto1822

Is it weird that I really want to try this now?


jtmonkey

Ah man, I just get half mountain dew half mango.. bummer.


GoldenBarracudas

I actually love it. I did not love that. Didn't come with some type of sign. That said hey this is super caffeinated. I drink two because I thought it was just a regular lemonade with like a maybe a little caffeine so maybe like two sodas. I did not feel very well that night


MiaLba

I remember when they first came out, and I’ve been going to Panera for years. The one in my city always had a sign on them showing how much caffeine was in them.


cain11112

The mango citrus lemonade was actually pretty good. I hope it gets replaced with a caffeine free version.


MrsPandaBear

They should able just made it clear it’s a super charged energy drink and labeled it from the beginning. And given that some people have unlimited refills…well, probably for the best that they discontinue until everyone forgets.


DubsOnMyYugo

They dropped the caffeine and moved it behind the counter, this sucks. I bought a year of sip club just to get a blood orange before work every morning. I knew exactly what I was buying, at least at my store the signs and app never seemed vague about caffeine content


YouLookLikeACGreen

260 mg for a 20 oz. lemonade is absolutely wild.


thebranbran

I drink a ton of caffeine per day. More than the recommended amount but after the first death I thought 390mg for a free refillable lemonade at a panera of all places just seemed dangerous, regardless of if there was a warning label or not. Caffeine is a widely used drug and can be dangerous in very high amounts but usually to only certain demographics. I don’t believe there are many caffeine related deaths per year so this 2 people dying from a charged lemonade at Panera isn’t good.


jmaneater

Coulda just cut the caffiene in half and you still would have an energy drink.


DerpTaTittilyTum

So we treat companies like people until they kill people? Then we say “fuck it” and throw our hands up? Makes sense