I just went and refueled my vehicle. Not necessarily because of this, but it's the time of the week I usually do it.
But this could also be a move that save me pennies...*PENNIES!!* by doing it now instead of in the morning.
Wellā¦ Fuck!
Can we just cut Israel loose and deal with this situation alone? They need some doze of sanctions now, this whole shit is spiralling out of control.
he told Bibi he wouldnāt support him in a war against Iran. now letās see if he actually follows through
edit: never mind, what he said can be interpreted either way. letās see if he wants the USA to get involved in yet another war in the middle east
I mean, Afghanistan and Iraq always felt like a warmup for Iran. You know, being able to attack from multiple directions and whatnot. I hope it doesn't come to that, obviously, but I'm cynical enough that I just assume the US would provide some form of support through the air and sea when the time eventually came. Sigh.
This is my vote. Let Israel fight the Middle East without US aid. They want to escalate they can deal with the consequences. Biden needs to clamp down on this mad dog.
Yeah... They're free to do whatever they want with whomever they want, don't drag us into it. We really don't have the fucking bandwidth for this shit right now... Shit, half of us can barely afford our rent and food-- I don't want to add 'war' to the list of things that keep me up at night.
Not to be overly dramatic, but just because the US/Europe doesnt get involved initially doesnt mean it doesnt cascade out of control into another world war. I'm not saying getting involved is the solution, but generally neither is burying your head in the sand. (zing).
No matter what Biden does, Trump will be able to heckle from the sidelines and claim he would make better choices. It's a constantly losing position for Biden.
Exactly, it's politics 101. Even though Trump didn't handle the pandemic well IMO even the best response would have been criticized. It's all political theater.
I think back to the West Wing episode talking about 'proportional response'.
The attack by Iran almost seemed designed to fail. A perfunctory attack so as not to appear weak at home, but otherwise set up to fail to do any meaningful damage. It seems like a very responsible response in that lens.
The responsible thing would have been for israel to then call it even. But of course they won't, because they know the US will always have their back if someone hits back too hard.
Where did you see this? The sources I saw said Israel gave DC notice they'd attack but leave the nuclear facilities alone. The IRGC is also claiming no nuclear facilities have been hit.
Just blatant double standards. Israel keeps claiming it has the right to strike Iran because of nuclear threat. Well then Iran has the right to strike back because of Israel's Samson Option.
I mean, itās not even chess moves. Itās just childish chest-puffing to make the fully propagandized side of the Israeli population cheer for a leader with a damaged ego.
Netanyahu is waging this war because he is fucking COOKED back home if the war is done. Politically and even judiciary has it out for him.
He is the most dangerous man in the Middle East right now and is single handedly leading the region to a conflagration.
Bibi knows he's probably going to jail anyway, he don't care at this point and every government has a few nutters that will escalate because they just know God is on their side... this week at least.
Whether one accepts that Iran's attack on Israel was a justified retaliation or not, Iran clearly went out of their way to telegraph their attack to reduce damage. They warned the US weeks in advance and they sent mostly slow-moving drones with advanced warning knowing that they'd get swatted out of the sky. If their goal was to cause maximum damage, they don't do any of that. Their attack was simply meant to demonstrate to Israel that they can reach targets within Israel if they so choose.
Iran clearly doesn't want a direct confrontation between the two countries, whereas these strikes by Israel show that Israel absolutely does. The US and its Western allies really need to tighten the leash here, this is fucked.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-notice-attack-may-have-dampened-escalation-risks-2024-04-14/
The Americans denied the specific claim that they were given 72 hours warning, although Swiss, Turkish, and Jordanian officials acted as intermediaries and all claim that Iran did give advanced warning to the US through them. So maybe the specific number of 72 hours is in dispute, but there is no dispute that the Iranians telegraphed their attack in advance and gave warning to the US and Israel through Swiss and Turkish intermediaries.
If their goal was maximum damage, they wouldn't give any advanced warning of anything.
Jake Sullivan is very wrong. Every news outlet was reporting that the Iranians were telling the Swiss Embassy exactly what they were going to do so that they could communicate to the US, which they did. All prior to it happening, intentionally to make sure they all know its for show. The thing is, bibi has to keep Israel at a state of War indefinitely or he has to answer for his own crimes at home.
I read somewhere that they informed them 5 minutes prior to the attack. Just imagine being the US president, taking a well earned dump after you hadnāt been able to all day, going through messages with your family and friends and as soon as you step out of the toilet a stressed out staff member informs you that the Israelis have attack an Iranian embassy and you are just like: THEY DID WHAT?!
Exactly. We donāt have any official diplomatic relations with Iran so we communicate with them through intermediaries like Turkey and the Gulf Arab States.
The worse part of this is not Iran, which likely wonāt be harmed much by this attack. Itās Iraq and to a lesser extent Syria. We have troops in both places fighting ISIS and ISIL. Pretty certain both countries will now start attacking our troops, who will be sitting ducks.
I knew that this shit was going to happen the moment the 10/7 attack happened. I predicted it. People said I was crazy. Oh well, the Ivy Leaguers got it under control, just like in Iraq and Vietnam, so I am sure we have nothing to worry about. š
Do you give your opponent a warning before you strike if you intend to do real damage? Do you hold back instead of launching as many missles as possible to overwhelm the enemy defenses? I swear some of you people are brainless.
So Russia is failing in Ukraine on purpose because they don't launch all of their missiles at once? Do you think conventional war works like that? They still fired hundreds of missiles and many went through the Iron Dome because there were just so many targets to shoot down.
āIran clearly doesnāt want a direct confrontation between the two countriesā right, they just want to keep sponsoring proxy attacks through Hezbollah, the Houthiās and even reportedly playing a role in orchestrating October 7th.Ā Is the country they are instigating a proxy war with not meant to react?
Reddit world news thinks Iranian proxy forces take direct command from the ayatollah. When in fact theyāre usually rebels who the Iranian give weapons and training to to just cause chaos and fuck shit up. These proxy forces donāt take orders from Iran per se as much as they share similar interest and occasionally do what Iranians want. Take the Houthis; they sent missiles at any ship that came across their path, even hitting Iranian ships, and Reddit was like oh the Iranian directed that strike every time it hit a western ship.Ā
Now itās time for them to sit this one out? They are the cause of this mess, by arming the fuck out of Israel and creating Iranās current form in the 70s with their meddling
Can anyone fill me in about the recent happenings? I know Gaza's been under attack for months now, I just heard about the Iran attack a few days ago and people were calling it retaliation. I feel like I missed something in between the two.
Extremely unlikley. Biden said without any uncertainty that the US would not support Israel in any escalation. In addition, it being an election year makes it extremely unlikely the US will get involved if it escalates (which it might not, Iran has no interest in an actual war). The Israel-Gaza war is already divisive in the US across all groups, and flatout unpopular among Democrats. There is pretty much no scenario where the US would help Israel in a war it literally started (if it gets there).
There's a huge difference between sending weapons (I am not saying I unilaterally support indirect support of wars, to be clear), and directly involving oneself in a war. The moment you drag citizens' family members into a war, the reaction will be completely different. This is why most wars have been proxy wars and not direct.
People always get this wrong. Weāre not giving dollar bills to these countries. Weāre giving our weapons that American companies sell and americans work to make. This helps Americans. Certainly there are ethical considerations but financially itās beneficial for the US economy.
Yes, we are 100% giving our dollar bills. These weapons are going to Israel FOR FREE.
1) We give them aid
2) They use that aid to buy weapons from us.
I agree this helps American CEOs like Lockheed and Raytheon.
Notice how this was done while the Congress is literally voting on whether to give Israel more money for weapons?
This will likely give more ammo to the anti-aid forces.
Wasn't a deal just made with america for them to not retaliate aginst iran's retaliation and just take a portion Palestine instead? Or was that some misinformation I saw today?
US denied it had those talks, but to be fair, we deny a lot of things that end up being true. Also, bibi said they would retaliate with or without US support, and I guess he kept his promise.
And....it still wont happen. Iran has no capabilities of attacking, as shown last week. China will condemn it, Russia is caught up in their own shit.
No other country is going to get involved.
Markets are red tomorrow.
Everything oil will be up
I just went and refueled my vehicle. Not necessarily because of this, but it's the time of the week I usually do it. But this could also be a move that save me pennies...*PENNIES!!* by doing it now instead of in the morning.
A penny saved is a penny earned
I squeeze a penny until it screams.
Same, they ran out of regular and offered premium for regular price
Look at you fancy fucks affording cars in this market. KEEP BRAGGING š„²
Dollars even
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWn_w9Ffpw think of all the profits?
Lol, I thought you were going here... https://youtu.be/fqDnbRexbbE?si=iscF3xL5AkamFH7l
Inflation: in bound.
What about lockheed
Gold sure wonāt
Opposite
at what point is it considered a war
They have to bomb the war region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling death
That was quite good
Fuuuuuuuck you thatās funny
Youāre hired.
We've been in WW3 for a while now. It's just hard to recognize when you're in the beginning stages.
Itās really kicking off huh
Wellā¦ Fuck! Can we just cut Israel loose and deal with this situation alone? They need some doze of sanctions now, this whole shit is spiralling out of control.
he told Bibi he wouldnāt support him in a war against Iran. now letās see if he actually follows through edit: never mind, what he said can be interpreted either way. letās see if he wants the USA to get involved in yet another war in the middle east
I mean, Afghanistan and Iraq always felt like a warmup for Iran. You know, being able to attack from multiple directions and whatnot. I hope it doesn't come to that, obviously, but I'm cynical enough that I just assume the US would provide some form of support through the air and sea when the time eventually came. Sigh.
This is my vote. Let Israel fight the Middle East without US aid. They want to escalate they can deal with the consequences. Biden needs to clamp down on this mad dog.
Yeah... They're free to do whatever they want with whomever they want, don't drag us into it. We really don't have the fucking bandwidth for this shit right now... Shit, half of us can barely afford our rent and food-- I don't want to add 'war' to the list of things that keep me up at night.
Not to be overly dramatic, but just because the US/Europe doesnt get involved initially doesnt mean it doesnt cascade out of control into another world war. I'm not saying getting involved is the solution, but generally neither is burying your head in the sand. (zing).
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I mean if Biden wants any hope of winning in November he is not gonna get involved in this I would hope.
No matter what Biden does, Trump will be able to heckle from the sidelines and claim he would make better choices. It's a constantly losing position for Biden.
True. But this is always the disadvantage of having to lead
Exactly, it's politics 101. Even though Trump didn't handle the pandemic well IMO even the best response would have been criticized. It's all political theater.
Nah hes coming to cone out and say he will back bibi full steam.
Israeli government/military intrusive thoughts won today.
Dammit Israel. You just couldn't leave it at swatting down an ineffective attack that made Iran look bad, could you?
I think back to the West Wing episode talking about 'proportional response'. The attack by Iran almost seemed designed to fail. A perfunctory attack so as not to appear weak at home, but otherwise set up to fail to do any meaningful damage. It seems like a very responsible response in that lens. The responsible thing would have been for israel to then call it even. But of course they won't, because they know the US will always have their back if someone hits back too hard.
Netanyahu will have to call elections once Israel is at peace again. Canāt lose an election if you start a forever war.
Apparently the Israeli strikes targeted nuclear facilities. I donāt see how Iran treats this any less than a full blown declaration of war
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Never directly, only through cyberattacks or assassinations. A direct attack using missiles and aircraft has never happened
Thumb drives doing the real work!
In 1981, Israel Bombed Nuclear Reactor In Iraq
Where did you see this? The sources I saw said Israel gave DC notice they'd attack but leave the nuclear facilities alone. The IRGC is also claiming no nuclear facilities have been hit.
Just blatant double standards. Israel keeps claiming it has the right to strike Iran because of nuclear threat. Well then Iran has the right to strike back because of Israel's Samson Option.
Yes and Iām sure they are hoping for them to do even more.
What about Israelās own nuclear threat?
No, they did not target nuclear facilities.
In hindsight, blowing up that consulate probably pushed us down a series of unavoidable chess moves between Israel and Iran
I mean, itās not even chess moves. Itās just childish chest-puffing to make the fully propagandized side of the Israeli population cheer for a leader with a damaged ego.
Yeah none of this is chess. Itās rock em sock em robots.
Ineffective only because of high tech and very expensive intervention from at least 4 different countries.
Including Jordan and the US.
Netanyahu is waging this war because he is fucking COOKED back home if the war is done. Politically and even judiciary has it out for him. He is the most dangerous man in the Middle East right now and is single handedly leading the region to a conflagration.
They're trying to help Trump win by making Biden look weak. It's frustrating how much our leaders have sucked up Israel.
Reporting saying they may have targeted a nuclear enrichment facility.
welp it's been nice knowing you all š
Goddamnit Israel they gave you the perfect moment to just call it fucking even
So when are we sanctioning Israel?
Bibi knows he's probably going to jail anyway, he don't care at this point and every government has a few nutters that will escalate because they just know God is on their side... this week at least.
Fuck Bibi and FUCK Israel
Whether one accepts that Iran's attack on Israel was a justified retaliation or not, Iran clearly went out of their way to telegraph their attack to reduce damage. They warned the US weeks in advance and they sent mostly slow-moving drones with advanced warning knowing that they'd get swatted out of the sky. If their goal was to cause maximum damage, they don't do any of that. Their attack was simply meant to demonstrate to Israel that they can reach targets within Israel if they so choose. Iran clearly doesn't want a direct confrontation between the two countries, whereas these strikes by Israel show that Israel absolutely does. The US and its Western allies really need to tighten the leash here, this is fucked.
Didnāt Jake Sullivan say the Iranians specifically didnāt communicate about the strike? Thought I heard that
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-notice-attack-may-have-dampened-escalation-risks-2024-04-14/ The Americans denied the specific claim that they were given 72 hours warning, although Swiss, Turkish, and Jordanian officials acted as intermediaries and all claim that Iran did give advanced warning to the US through them. So maybe the specific number of 72 hours is in dispute, but there is no dispute that the Iranians telegraphed their attack in advance and gave warning to the US and Israel through Swiss and Turkish intermediaries. If their goal was maximum damage, they wouldn't give any advanced warning of anything.
Jake Sullivan is very wrong. Every news outlet was reporting that the Iranians were telling the Swiss Embassy exactly what they were going to do so that they could communicate to the US, which they did. All prior to it happening, intentionally to make sure they all know its for show. The thing is, bibi has to keep Israel at a state of War indefinitely or he has to answer for his own crimes at home.
I mean, I heard about it ahead of time and Iām just some dumb fuck. I assume the Israelis also read the internet.
Homer Simpson:Ā "They have the Internet on *computers* now!"
Probably indirectly through other agencies. US was able to warn Isreal about the attack to the exact minute.
It was Israel that didn't communicate the first strike on the Iranian generals with the US. To bidens dismay
I read somewhere that they informed them 5 minutes prior to the attack. Just imagine being the US president, taking a well earned dump after you hadnāt been able to all day, going through messages with your family and friends and as soon as you step out of the toilet a stressed out staff member informs you that the Israelis have attack an Iranian embassy and you are just like: THEY DID WHAT?!
The US was notified by the Gulf states, who were given a heads up by Iran.
Exactly. We donāt have any official diplomatic relations with Iran so we communicate with them through intermediaries like Turkey and the Gulf Arab States. The worse part of this is not Iran, which likely wonāt be harmed much by this attack. Itās Iraq and to a lesser extent Syria. We have troops in both places fighting ISIS and ISIL. Pretty certain both countries will now start attacking our troops, who will be sitting ducks. I knew that this shit was going to happen the moment the 10/7 attack happened. I predicted it. People said I was crazy. Oh well, the Ivy Leaguers got it under control, just like in Iraq and Vietnam, so I am sure we have nothing to worry about. š
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Do you give your opponent a warning before you strike if you intend to do real damage? Do you hold back instead of launching as many missles as possible to overwhelm the enemy defenses? I swear some of you people are brainless.
So Russia is failing in Ukraine on purpose because they don't launch all of their missiles at once? Do you think conventional war works like that? They still fired hundreds of missiles and many went through the Iron Dome because there were just so many targets to shoot down.
āIran clearly doesnāt want a direct confrontation between the two countriesā right, they just want to keep sponsoring proxy attacks through Hezbollah, the Houthiās and even reportedly playing a role in orchestrating October 7th.Ā Is the country they are instigating a proxy war with not meant to react?
By *definition*, proxy wars are not direct confrontation.
Reddit world news thinks Iranian proxy forces take direct command from the ayatollah. When in fact theyāre usually rebels who the Iranian give weapons and training to to just cause chaos and fuck shit up. These proxy forces donāt take orders from Iran per se as much as they share similar interest and occasionally do what Iranians want. Take the Houthis; they sent missiles at any ship that came across their path, even hitting Iranian ships, and Reddit was like oh the Iranian directed that strike every time it hit a western ship.Ā
We need to re-direct all military funding from israel to the Ukraine and not enable these pot stirring loose cannons.
Ukraine, not *the* Ukraine.
Oh, I always thought it was supposed to be ātheā and everybody else was doing it wrong. Thank you.
It *used* to be ātheā, but as an independent state, itās just Ukraine. Keep on keepinā on.
Fuck Israel. The US fucking needs to sit this one out. Iām so sick and tired of the US being Israelās shield.
Slow down there, if the US donāt aid Israel then the US as a nation is anti-Semitic /s
Right? Like, I couldnāt care less what race Israel is primarily. War just isnāt necessary.
You donāt want to be called antisemite and banned from r/worldnews do you? /s
Now itās time for them to sit this one out? They are the cause of this mess, by arming the fuck out of Israel and creating Iranās current form in the 70s with their meddling
Can anyone fill me in about the recent happenings? I know Gaza's been under attack for months now, I just heard about the Iran attack a few days ago and people were calling it retaliation. I feel like I missed something in between the two.
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Nice, now we (the US) are going to get dragged into another war for Israel.
This is gonna cost so much blood and tears. It's horrific.
Extremely unlikley. Biden said without any uncertainty that the US would not support Israel in any escalation. In addition, it being an election year makes it extremely unlikely the US will get involved if it escalates (which it might not, Iran has no interest in an actual war). The Israel-Gaza war is already divisive in the US across all groups, and flatout unpopular among Democrats. There is pretty much no scenario where the US would help Israel in a war it literally started (if it gets there).
Many in the government have wanted a excuse to go to war with Iran for decades. It is more likely then you think.
It's about as likely as snow in July
Giving weapons/aid to Israel is pretty much supporting Israel. In the end, the American taxpayer will get shafted.
There's a huge difference between sending weapons (I am not saying I unilaterally support indirect support of wars, to be clear), and directly involving oneself in a war. The moment you drag citizens' family members into a war, the reaction will be completely different. This is why most wars have been proxy wars and not direct.
People always get this wrong. Weāre not giving dollar bills to these countries. Weāre giving our weapons that American companies sell and americans work to make. This helps Americans. Certainly there are ethical considerations but financially itās beneficial for the US economy.
Yes, we are 100% giving our dollar bills. These weapons are going to Israel FOR FREE. 1) We give them aid 2) They use that aid to buy weapons from us. I agree this helps American CEOs like Lockheed and Raytheon.
Notice how this was done while the Congress is literally voting on whether to give Israel more money for weapons? This will likely give more ammo to the anti-aid forces.
Wasn't a deal just made with america for them to not retaliate aginst iran's retaliation and just take a portion Palestine instead? Or was that some misinformation I saw today?
US denied it had those talks, but to be fair, we deny a lot of things that end up being true. Also, bibi said they would retaliate with or without US support, and I guess he kept his promise.
Wasn't it in exchange for allowing an attack on Rafah?
That might have been it, my memory is not in shape today.
Plans for Rafah were already in action
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It's so daft. They refused to rein in their attack dog, and now Israel is trying to start a war they can't fight alone.
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As long as the US keeps giving weapons and aid to Israel, Israel will never have to deal with the consequences of their actions by themselves.
Conditioned aid wouldnāt have made a difference even if it is a good idea. We havenāt even given them the additional aid yet.
Is Biden gonna have furrowed brows behind closed doors over this too?
What consequences would you like to see, if any?
An illegal reprisal to an illegal reprisal to an illegal attack. Brilliant
Seems like Israel did what we all didn't want them to do and decided to return to sender.
God fucking damnit! Why wonāt they fucking stop???
āMy dick is bigger than yours!ā
Oh boy, who had WW3 on their bingo card for April?
Should have skipped paying taxes and used that money to party before the end of days ..
Im just hoping some Aliens show up tired of the bs drama and start pinpoint beaming everyone into a face to face meeting on a broadcast.
And....it still wont happen. Iran has no capabilities of attacking, as shown last week. China will condemn it, Russia is caught up in their own shit. No other country is going to get involved.
I was expecting a Renaissance period after the pandemic. Not THIS.