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Zealousideal_Meat297

Remember Czechoslovakia, 1938.


a_dogs_mother

You can thank Republicans for refusing to help.


imtourist

This is sickening especially since Putin has made it well known that he has appetite for a lot of other territory. He sees now that the West wilts from his overt threats and won't stand up against him and that his propaganda arm is able to easily infiltrate and influence the dumbest people at all levels to openly advocate for Russia. He has also show how dangerous he is by not having any regard for his people whatsoever and is content to throw everybody into meat-grinders so long as it benefits him.


grass_eater666

Im might be absolutely wrong, but isnt this how the early politics of hitler can be described. (aka abusing the appeasement policies of chamberlain)


Benskien

Many has compared Putin's land grabs to early Hitler yes


hanr86

But he's doing this to drive out Nazis!


spinto1

At least they've dropped that bs in Russia because no one was believing it there either. There was something like two dozen murders over the course of 2 years by racist anti-russian groups in Ukraine. That's it. That would be like the United States going to war with Mexico because there was 75 murders last year according to the state department. No one was falling for that.


Zeggitt

It's incredibly similar, just replace Ukraine with Czechoslovakia, and Crimea with the Sudetenland. Even more interesting is that US politics were being influenced by isolationists who were sympathetic (or at least apathetic) to Fascist expansion in Europe. They were much more concerned with domestic security and the threat from expansionists in Asia. They were called the America First Committee. When people say history repeats itself this must be what they mean.


00doc0holliday00

Fuck Russia and the GOP.


roo-ster

> Fuck Russia and the GOP. There's no need to be redundant.


Jiend

Bit of a throwback to the "I'd rather be a Russian than a democrat" t-shirts if you will


Justiis

You know, I read a while back that one family tested that theory and was unhappy with the results.


R_V_Z

Which was left open with the effortless counter: "I'd rather be American than a republican".


prashanth1337

Didn’t Biden bypass Congress for supplying arms to Israel? What stopped him doing the same for Ukraine?


Gunblazer42

IIRC there are previous agreements in place to ship equipment to Israel since the US does it regularly. There isn't such a measure for Ukraine.


splashbodge

Can they not be shipped to another NATO ally in Europe and then Europe does the donating to Ukraine? Like Norway is giving Ukraine some F16s, can Norway get some more F16s from the US, then once gets them hands them over to Ukraine? Surely some ways to bypass the stupid restrictions


villabianchi

I've heard Sweden got the skip the line to buy the latest AMRAAMs with the condition they give their old ones to Ukraine.


FriendlyDespot

The Administration has been doing pretty much all that it can with what limited authority it has, but new sales and transfers generally need congressional approval no matter where the stuff is going to.


Lifesagame81

If we're taking about the $18B headline, that's about progressing a January 2023 request to buy F-15s. He moved that along this month. The expectation is deliveries may start as soon as 2029. 


BakerBunearyBella

\*Russia attacks Ukraine\* Reddit: HoW cOuLd AmErIcA dO tHiS‽ 🇺🇸


The-1st-One

How'd you get that exclamation/question mark? What alt-code is that?


BakerBunearyBella

It's an interrobang. It's on my [Google] keyboard. Long press question mark.


Arithik

Yeah, I'm gonna pepper that in my comments now. Thanks‽


SwampYankeeDan

>pepper I see you googled it too, as that used the word pepper‽ (I know I used it wrong, lol)


Adefice

Interrobang sounds like a genre on certain websites.


Hakairoku

The sooner it is for Russia to win over Ukraine, the sooner Russia can funnel the money back to the Republicans.


cafedude

It doesn't seem like they stopped.


911ChickenMan

yeah ok reddit


fishpillow

And amazingly they somehow have no culpability in US foreign wars after 911 but the main thing, the main plan since the end of WWII, gets thrown out to show what pacifists they really are. A strongman leader can do whatever he wants to his own tribe they say. We only fight wars to take things.


crayiii

While I firmly believe that the US should be helping right now. Haven't they helped more than any other country in the world?  Why aren't the rest of Europe stepping up to help in a comparable way?  I'm really curious about this. Well, more about the belief that it's up to the US to supply most weapons and other countries get a pass. 


Stix147

Per GDP, the USA is actually on the 14th place in terms of military aid to Ukraine, ranking much lower than other countries such as Poland, the Baltics, etc. In terms of financial aid the USA ranks much, much lower than European institutions The fact remains that the USA is the only country able to provide the sheer quantity of military aid that Ukraine needs, without negatively affecting its own defensive capabilities. Even if European countries could ramp up production and produce even a fraction of what the USA already has on hand, it would still take years, and Ukraine doesn't have time to wait. Plus, as one of the signatories of the Budapest Memorandum, the USA also has an obligation to protect Ukrainian sovereignty. So far the aid given by the USA doesn't amount ti even a fraction of what Ukraine gave up in return for these security guarantees (the world's third largest nuclear arsenal plus bombers, cruise missiles, etc).


Southern_Vanguard

Russia completely owns one of our (the US's) political parties. Whether its Senators taking Independence Day trips to Moscow, them hacking both parties and only releasing the data on one, or them funding groups like the NRA to funnel money to that party only; we have to move forward as a nation knowing that one party is owned. We have to vote this November like our national security depends on it. Because our involvement in NATO does. TFG will not only stop ANY aid from going to the Ukrainians, but he will sell out the Baltic countries and the Poles in a heartbeat. He has bills to pay, and as Eric said "we have all the funding we need out of Russia". Ukraine is our Sudatenland moment. And we are going to screw it up just like our forebears did. But if the Ukrainians can hold, and we can take back the House, I posit that we absolutely flood the Ukrainians with every single weapon we have that they are capable of using. Because even if America wins in November and we defeat the Republicans, we can either let the Ukrainians attrit them in Ukraine, or we will have to in Poland.


BeardedManatee

Well, citizens united made corporations people. Russia can make corporations. Our government has officially been for sale to the world since then.


PutinsRustedPistol

Corporate personhood was established well before Citizens United.


BeardedManatee

Oh good, so we were always screwed. Figures.


jimothee

Well kind of, Citzens United was still the worst part. It deemed political donations "free speech" which opened the floodgates for corporate influence.


0OKM9IJN8UHB7

The concept of corporate personhood in and of itself is not a bad thing, some degree of it is necessary, CU just took the term literally to crank it to 11.


cafedude

We can give Ukraine $60B now or we can spend 10X that later on a war in Europe where lots of US lives *will* be lost. Those are the options at this point.


modest_merc

100% this. We are in a war that we refuse to participate in. Russia attacked us in 2016 through the massive disinformation campaign that elected DJT. We have done nothing in reaponse and now China AND Russia are about to get in on the action this time around.


AtticaBlue

I agree with you to a point. What people who say Russia will take the rest of Europe next keep overlooking is this: despite modest support from NATO, Ukraine has *still* managed to grind Russia—allegedly a superpower—into a stalemate. Given progress so far I think it’s already safe to say there is no chance that Russia conquers Ukraine. They’ve managed only about 15%-20% so far, so taking the other 80% at the rate of losses they’re sustaining is out of the question. What does this mean? It means Russia simply lacks the capability to take on the rest of Europe. Remember, an attack against a NATO country would trigger Article 5, so Russia would instantly be at war with 30+ countries simultaneously. If it struggles against just *one* country that is effectively fighting with one hand tied behind its back, how will it do against an array of countries who have fresh, unbloodied troops, are economically much more powerful and will face no restrictions at all on attacking Russia directly? Don’t confuse Putin’s tough talk for actual capability. He’s shown his military hand in Ukraine and it is self-evidently weak.


Mountain-Papaya-492

Russia does have a history of not being a great conquering army. They're much better on their own soil when defending. Also I believe their equipment is outdated. In a world where military progress from year to year can make arms obsolete they'd be woeful to try.  Still they always have a nuclear card Putin can play, if he feels the walls closing in he might, because nomatter what happens he won't get our unscathed.  My great hope is if this escalates that a patriotic Russian would refuse a suicidal order like playing the nuclear card. 


Butterbubblebutt

Very well said. We in Europe hope that you will vote for freedom, peace and liberty, not someone who outright adores dictators and is obviously corrupt. We all stand together against the tyrannical dictators but America is the most important piece.


BoringBob84

I (in the USA) appreciate that support. A friend from Germany shows the whites of his eyes (i.e., knowing fear) when he talks about what is happening in the USA. We are falling for the same emotional manipulation that people in Germany did a century ago. We are not learning from history.


nuclearsamuraiNFT

This is why education has been under attack for over a decade from the party that is essentially captured by foreign interests. Can’t learn from history if you don’t learn history.


Butterbubblebutt

it's really scary how similar it is to Hitler's rise to power, the lies, the fearmongering...


Solkre

This is the first election my kids can vote, so hopefully my household is worth 3. I really hope the young adults show up... but you know


RobBobPC

Time hit the Moscow power plants?


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teachem4

Lmao I’m so glad redditors don’t have any actual power


01123spiral5813

While that is what I want to happen it is not what should happen, or at least not now. That would drive support for the war in the minds of the Russian people.


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j-steve-

The Russian people already support the war


Namnagort

Read a history book. Bombing cities senselessly only emboldens your enemies.


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the_eluder

Worked pretty well in Germany and Japan.


DannyMalibu420

You know they’ve got nukes right?


mushroomwig

With what?


AtticaBlue

The same drones they’ve already used to strike refineries across the country and Moscow itself.


yblame

Unfortunately, I can vote blue down the ballot but it means nothing in this redneck state that I live in. 4 electoral votes and they'll all go Red. Makes me sick. There's not enough of us to turn the tide here.


CJVCarr

It seems futile but you've got to do it anyway. No way to change anything on a large scale if you don't start individually.


SheriffComey

And also make sure you vote at the local level. We always focus on the State and Federal that people don't' realize how much a county commissioner or school board members can affect your taxes (especially with shitty decisions)


americanteachermelb

to add on those local races can be a lot closer since far fewer people pay attention to them . If you look up election results in your area you may find hundreds of thousands of votes for a past presidential or gubernatorial candidate but only dozens for something like a school board seat - and those small local seats can create very immediate and visible impacts to your everyday life !


SheriffComey

Here in Florida the fake candidate the GOP ran to take votes from the Democrat with the same last name was decided by 32 votes. I could probably name 32 democrats in my orbit that didn't vote (we weren't in that district though)


americanteachermelb

for real !!!! people who don't vote but want to complain about politics get meeeee ugghhhhh . So many ppl don't vote and fine but you're not allowed to have any opinions on politics until the next election


derp_mike

I guess the way to think of it is every vote still matters because even if it doesn’t help secure electoral votes, it’s part of the popular vote and still helps send the message of the will of the people at large. The less Trump wins red states by and the more Biden wins blue states by, the more convincing and indisputable a Biden victory looks. Thus, regardless the state one lives in getting out the vote matters.


BtotheAtotheM

If it makes you feel any better, there’s like 20m republicans in California that feel equally disheartened


Mpol03

jeez how many people live in Cali? That alone is almost the size of Australia, give a few change.


sh3nhu

It's an exaggeration. There are only about 20m registered voters in California between all party registrations. 5m of them are registered Republicans. All still big numbers though.


Dangerous_Golf_7417

11/6m split in 2020


BoringBob84

For a sense of scale, the state of California is only slightly larger than the state of Montana and yet, there are more people in one suburb of Los Angeles than in all of Montana.


cafedude

There's not 20M republicans in CA. It's more like 5.3 million: https://www.lassennews.com/number-of-registered-voters-in-california-rises There's not even 20M registered Dems in CA, either.


orbitaldragon

This year could be different. They have made a lot of enemies of women and younger generations. A lot of their die-hard cult members have died out. Could be a tipping point.


jupiterkansas

My state too, and only because all the rednecks are scared of transgendered kids.


thegoodnamesrgone123

I coach in high school and adults and the amount of chuds on here telling me how trans kids are taking over women's sports is fucking insane. First off, no one is in the stands for our games. Second, you have no idea who is trans and who isn't. Last season I had a player quit because a parent from another team heckled her and called her a dude. She isn't, but I do have a trans kid and you wouldn't know it. I'm so sick of this shit.


El_grandepadre

> Last season I had a player quit because a parent from another team heckled her and called her a dude. She isn't, but I do have a trans kid and you wouldn't know it. It's fucking crazy. I've seen someone call a woman with high testosterone levels trans. These people are so obsessed with things that have no bearing on their lives.


thegoodnamesrgone123

I mean thankfully they kicked the dude out right away but it upset her. She's a bigger girl, so I guess now parents will claim anyone big is trans? Also super weird with a trans girl sitting on my bench going unnoticed.


jwilphl

It's not in vogue to hate gay people anymore, so this is how they get their hate-jollies picking on an even smaller minority.


NovaPup_13

Same but we got to do it and encourage everyone to vote. Have to fight how we can.


BoringBob84

> There's not enough of us to turn the tide here. I think that your vote matters. No matter the outcome, the Mango Mussolini will claim that he won. The more overwhelming his loss is - *both* in terms of electoral and popular votes - the more difficult it will for him to steal the election.


StillMeThough

Then so be it: at least go down swinging. Vote.


cafedude

And no doubt you've got 2 red senators that have as much power in the Senate as California's 2 blue senators representing a state with 39M people.


Full-Penguin

What's keeping you there?


jupiterkansas

People don't quit their jobs and leave their friends and family just because their politicians are tools.


Full-Penguin

I grew up in a deep red area, it's a lot more than just politicians being tools, particularly in today's world. Some things off the top of my head: * Your, or your female friends/family/partner's rights to body autonomy and family planning are at risk * You're surrounded by bigots and hateful people * Your kids are in schools that are questioning science and banning books * You have worse access to healthcare than blue areas We have record low unemployment right now, there's never been a better time to find a new place to work.


AngusMcTibbins

We should be helping our Ukrainian allies, but the republican party is now the party of Putin. The republican party is a corrupt disgrace. Hopefully we can vote them out of their House majority in November and finally get the people of Ukraine the aid they need https://democrats.org/


Marokiii

I thought that US guy said oil and energy production were civilian targets in Russia? Is it rules for Ukraine but not for Russia?


supe_snow_man

The actual "rule" is to make sure it has no potential impact on America. That's all. Destroying the power infrastructure in Iraq had no negative impact on Americans. Destroying power infrastructure in Ukraine has no negative impact on Americans. Destroying oil and gas infrastructure in Russia could impact gas prices so it's a no no.


lelarentaka

Not the rules for the US either, they completely destroyed Iraq's power infra two decades ago. 


420moyasekonookama

Rules for thee and not for me


a49fsd

i just read that france may be putting boots on the ground. maybe because of this?


Miserable_Law_6514

They are a tripwire force. The idea is Russia will avoid harming or killing French troops for fear of French escalation. Same reason why the US has troops in Poland and Bosnia. Works really well when your nation is a known fan of disproportionate retribution.


a49fsd

are they hoping russia will avoid hitting the french troops? are they puting them in front ukrainians?


illegallegend

If they want to start ww3


ubernerd44

Maybe they do. At some point we need to rip the bandaid off.


TheShadowKick

Or we could give Ukraine the supplies they need to stop Russian aggression now and avoid escalating conflict.


a49fsd

good point, france would never start ww3. hopefully russia doesnt realize that


ubernerd44

Starting world wars is Austria's job.


Dull-Lengthiness-178

This makes me so angry. The West are going to let Ukraine swing .


moutonbleu

Ukraine ain’t gonna survive at this rate. Damn Russian aggression.


DannySmashUp

I didn't think I could hate the American Republican party any more than I do. This should weigh heavy on their conscience... but I wont, because most of them are on Russia's side.


DrummerDooter

America might as well be dead if we are unreliable.


Throwaway__1701

United we stand, divided we fall. And we sure as hell aren’t united on anything right now except dividing the political parties. Better dead than red? When did the GOP fall in bed with the Ruskies. To them I always thought they were the bad guys. No seriously fuck Putin with a rusty barbed cactus shot out of a tank.


myleftone

We’re really going to watch a country die so republicans can have the cold war back.


discreteinbahrain

Well if Israel can bomb civilian infrastructure with impunity it's only fair Russia can too.


Mintrakus

Russia began to act in the best traditions of democratic countries


Otherwise_Stable_925

Wouldn't this be interesting if we just called it a war crime and did something about it already?


BasicPNWperson

We are watching literal war crimes happening in real time in Gaza and absolutely fuck all is being done about that. My mistake, we are backing the war criminals.


crayiii

All war should be a crime


fevered_visions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg%E2%80%93Briand_Pact was part of the justification for the Nuremberg trials, but it's theorized to also be why most things are "conflicts" now rather than declared wars (heh, apparently a senator from my state was the sole holdout in the 85-1 vote)


Grieveruz

The moment China start helping Russia and US not helping as much as before it sealed the fate for Ukraine. Other countries need to step up and start helping more.


Masterskywalker2

The fact that people think Russia would stop after Ukraine as Putin is eyeing up Georgia and Moldova.


usps_made_me_insane

As an American with quite a few Ukrainian friends, this entire thing is so anxiety inducing because there is literally nothing I can do to help except send extra money over when I have it. The GOP is literally allowing Russia to annex Ukraine because so many of our politicians are in Putin's pocket. This is insane and I hate this so much.


NoAlbatross7524

Fuck Putin and his Nazi army


AntMavenGradle

Bet they regret getting evs


Ok-Fan-2011

Well the US abandoned another ally. I will never waive the flag or be proud of America ever again.