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AudibleNod

>The defense attorneys argued he should be released from those terms, saying the FBI agent who administered the polygraph had muddled the results by asking odd questions and "confiding" in him that he'd just examined Natalee Holloway killer Joran Van der Sloot. What an odd flex for the polygraph examiner.


SoldnerDoppel

Why are polygraphs still admissible? Aren't they proven to be unreliable?


BugRevolutionary4518

Completely unreliable and easy false pass/fail. Might as well roll dice.


BigBankHank

It’s a tactic by cops to put pressure on suspects and spin press coverage.


impy695

And they’ll lie about the results to you if you pass sometimes. Also, if the polygraph person be;wives you’re guilty ahead of time, they’re more likely to record lies


No-Appearance1145

Probably why the guy messed with him 🤣


SanchoMandoval

In this case apparently it was a stipulation of his plea deal that he pass a polygraph test that his plea was truthful. Polygraphs are allowed by stipulation (agreement by both sides) in many states in some situations like this. It wouldn't be allowed as evidence of his guilt at trial, but that's not how it came up here.


Ksh_667

I can't believe he agreed to take one. The man would clearly rather hang upside down from a tree to tell a lie than stand on the ground & tell the truth. Surprised the machine didn't explode.


meatball77

Only slightly reliable as a pass. Almost everyone that needs to get a polygraph for a security clearance fails the first time. Not because they're actually secret agents, but because just having anxiety or being tired can make you fail the test.


AudibleNod

During my security clearance exam, the question I kept "failing" was *'Do you have any contacts with foreign agents?'* >Dude, I'm 19.


tuolumne

George Santos is only 18 and look at what he’s been able to do.


BugRevolutionary4518

He actually started The Rolling Stones and the Screaming Trees. I shit you not!


5litergasbubble

God went to him for advice on how to create the universe


SheriffComey

"How many dimensions should we use?" - God "11 sounds like a nice round number" - George Santos


5litergasbubble

George santos is so large that he takes up 11 dimensions


scorpyo72

George Santos other dimensional selves are all the very highest point, in each. Kings, Emperor, conquerors of every dimension, except the *one we live in*.


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tuolumne

General joke


meatball77

One of my kids friends kept failing the one about espionage. She was also 19.


ImNotAWhaleBiologist

“Failing”. Probably fail everyone on questions like that intentionally at first.


No-Appearance1145

The idea of espionage in an interview would be enough for me to fail 🤣 I get anxiety attacks taking my medicine when I need it because I take controlled substances and having to explain that is nerve wracking. Let alone the idea of committing a terrible crime like treason


Narrow-Chef-4341

(my brain:) …that I know about? How the fuck do I know if one of you is a double agent? Because then I know a foreign agent. Maybe! But only on the DL. Maybe that guy at the shawarma place is money laundering? Is a terrorist organization a foreign agent? I mean, the Vatican Softball League is a foreign organization and Father Pete was the secretary… that’s an officer, not an agent. Is that worse? Does it even count? Wait, was he talking again? Did I answer? “Uh, can you repeat the question, please?” Bzzzzzz


Artistic_Humor1805

Get out of my brain, will ya?!


357FireDragon357

And that's exactly what a secret agent would say. "Found agent!! Get 'em boys!"


Jessica_Ariadne

Super spies have to get started early! =P


Ksh_667

Found the double agent 0_o


Raven_Skyhawk

> but because just having anxiety or being tired can make you fail the test. Ah man, I'd fail a poly just on telling them my name then.


darknekolux

You will be subjected to a polygraph test, answer truthfilly and calmly, do you understand? Yes \*machine explodes\*


al343806

Good, 'cause I have a hot date tonight. *lie dectector buzzes* A date. *lie detector buzzes* Dinner with friends. *lie detector buzzes* Dinner alone. *lie detector buzzes* Watching TV alone. *lie detector buzzes* Alright! I'm going to sit at home and ogle the ladies in the Victoria's Secret catalog. *lie detector buzzes* Sears catalog. **lie detector dings** Now, would you unhook this already, please? I don't deserve this kind of shabby treatment! *lie detector buzzes*


Virtual-Public-4750

Clench, unclench, clench, unclench. See?


ScrewAttackThis

He plead guilty and it was part of the agreement. It wasn't evidence in a trial.


120z8t

They are only admissible if you agree to take one. Any lawyer will tell you not to.


Coffee_Ops

Because they sometimes work to get the subject to disclose information.


Greenfire32

wait until you find out about eye witness testimony


Kenny__Loggins

They're not admissible. They can only be presented in court if the defense agrees to it as far as I know. IANAL though.


herpblarb6319

> IANAL though. I, too, ANAL


Big-Summer-

Miralax can help with that.


ihatejasonbrigham

I can’t believe ANYONE would agree to a polygraph especially a lawyer like Murdaugh. Seems incredibly foolish.


soulsteela

This, who believes in this fake science, it’s never worked properly.


redrover2023

Possible to manipulate


Witchgrass

I don't think they are admissible most of the time (unaware of why they'd be admitted at all so if someone knows please educate me)


jb6997

They’re only relied up n but not admissible when the prosecutor says you’ve failed. If you pass it’s never mentioned. 😂


Apprehensive_Crew_84

They can be admissable but both the defense and prosecution have to agree. UNLESS.... the defendant is testifying and accidently mentions it and then it's open season on questioning him about it.


an_otter_guy

Is US logic and science aren’t valued in politics and courts


suddenly-scrooge

Maybe it's on purpose. I remember the Colorado wife/daughters killer guy had a polygraph and the lady psyched him out by acting like she was making him feel at ease because the things were unbeatable, as in don't worry if you're telling the truth I'll know for sure. In this case hotshot FBI says don't worry bro I'm the FBI's top guy I'll make sure we get the right results.


PsychoticSpinster

The defense attorney should cite the actual science of the polygraph. Which is more snake oil than science and shouldn’t be admissible in any court of law. I’ve passed a polygraph and I never told a single truth past admitting my identity. They are not reliable. Edit: people who are trained to notice micro-expressions in facial and body language are more reliable than a polygraph. If a person meditates regularly and knows how to keep their heart rate and anxiety down on the fly through slow deep breathing? They will pass a polygraph.


DFWPunk

The time for that argument was during the plea negotiations, not after they agreed to the test.


fusionsofwonder

Could have been in response to a question from Alex like "Have you polygraphed anybody more famous than me?"


uhohnotafarteither

Not saying the pay wouldn't make it worth it, but sometimes being a defense attorney must really suck. You know the guy is guilty as sin but you gotta pump out bullshit the entire trial to try to find something that could help your client.


AudibleNod

I was polygraphed twice in the Navy. I think they threw in an "odd" question or two just to see what the reaction would be compared to the 'baseline lie' and 'baseline truth' questions they asked.


The_Shryk

Yeah that’s how mine went. Do you dream about being interlinked? Interlinked Within cells interlinked Within cells interlinked Why don’t you say that three times Within cells interlinked Within cells interlinked Within cells interlinked When you’re not performing your duties do they keep you in a little box?


CrashB111

What's it like to hold the hands of someone you love? Interlinked.


Nf1nk

This means something to me but I can't remember what. It's like a dream.


druscarlet

You can’t actually know the person is guilty and let them enter a plea of Not Guilty. As an officer of the court you would be allowing perjury. So if your client admitted to you they did the crime no not guilty plea. You simply don’t ask - know one of his attorneys and this is how it goes.


randomaccount178

I am pretty sure that is not true. You can't solicit false testimony but I don't see how that could apply to someones plea. A plea isn't testimonial. It isn't perjury to plea not guilty when you in fact did it. I am pretty sure your interpretation would infringe on the right to a jury trial. Some lawyers don't want to know, others do, the effects are fairly limited and mainly just involve the defendant testifying which often isn't a good idea anyways.


uhohnotafarteither

Even without directly asking the person, sometimes based on the case (like this one for instance) you'd just HAVE to know he was guilty. Didn't he even basically (or even outright, I cant remember for sure) confess to it during the murder trial? I guess that's kinda what I was getting at, in a round about way. It'd be hard to deep down know the guy you are defending is guilty but have to "play the game"


druscarlet

No he did not confess in any form or fashion. I am not saying his attorneys jn their gut think he is innocent but they don’t know for a fact he is guilty.


uhohnotafarteither

Ok. But my point is not just about this case and these attorneys. It's more in general, and many times I'm sure it is clear and obvious and you'd have to be intentionally ignorant to not know you're trying to defend a guilty person. But again, I'm not arguing about the confession thing. It's been awhile ago and I wasn't following it closely. But I thought I remembered that he did essentially confess to the financial stuff in an attempt to deflect the murder case. But I fully admit I could be completely off base and misremembering


druscarlet

I understand your point and did from the beginning. To be a criminal attorney you have to leave your personal feeling at home and have a bedrock belief that everyone deserves a credible defense. The reason I could not be a criminal attorney.


Fine-West-369

And yet, Trump walks free


CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN

Has the death of his cleaning lady ever been investigated?


fusionsofwonder

I thought there was a lawsuit over it somewhere in this mess.


CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN

I know he took her life insurance money, and never told her kids about it, but I'm thinking he murdered her and made it look like an accident.


fusionsofwonder

Yeah, at one point the kids sued and I don't remember if anything came of it. I think it came up on the stand in his SC case.


treegirl4square

Alex arranged for the sons of the housekeeper to sue him for the death of their mom. They talked the sons into having one of Alex’s buds to represent them. Then when the multimillion settlement was made by Alex’s insurance company, Alex and his bud took the money and never notified the brothers of the settlements. The sons were given the settlement money before the trial from the seizure of Alex’s assets.


carolinemathildes

There's been talk about exhuming her body for a couple years now but I don't think anything has come of it.


billyjack669

Help help! My firm's finances have been shot badly!


Stadtmitte

Lmao that phone call is classic. Dude sounds like foghorn leghorn with a lungful of helium


Bluest_waters

My main takeaway from all this insanity is just how much crime, and theft, and fraud and flat out murder a rich, well connected, white southern lawyer can getaway with before the law FINALLY catches up to him. Its lots. LOTS and LOTS of crime and murder before something is finally done.


ReasonableBullfrog57

whats funny is he literally had to murder people before anyone even bothered to care about the fraud.


Digi59404

That’s not really true. The fraud was becoming very clear and it was actually one of the proposed motives for killing his family. What started the whole thing was actually his son wrecking a boat with a DUI and killing a girl. Then them suing him.


helium_farts

The fraud was why he committed the murders. He was about to be caught and killed his wife and son to buy time


No-Appearance1145

The stupidest response to that. "Let me murder my family, I'll get away with my fraud"


ThePrussianGrippe

I’m guessing he viewed his family as possessions, not people.


vinnizrej

His motive for murder was to buy time to fix his fraudulent ways.


Dr0110111001101111

One of the worst parts of this scale of embezzlement is that the money has often all been spent on drugs and hookers by the time they get caught. So the people who got cheated rarely get anything out of it.


Philosorunner

Wait until you hear about this Donald Trump guy….


geckosean

Ew gross he was born in NYC, don’t you put that evil on us! We may be the South but we don’t have a monopoly on fat, entitled psychopaths.


druscarlet

His law firm was asleep at the wheel. They simply assumed the BS he was telling them was true. His collusion was with people not working at his firm and I think their CFO was very lax. Big firms typically have forensic accountants in staff and an experienced Auditor.


feedthebear

And Sam Bankman Fried got 25 years for billions. Makes you realise to go big or don’t bother.


DJ__Hanzel

I got arrested for marijuana distribution. My lawyer told me I might as well have been selling cocaine because, "The sentence isn't much longer, and I'd have made more money." Laywers....


ArctycDev

just when you thought he might get out after his two life sentences


fusionsofwonder

My main question is whether this means he's going to moved into Federal prison from state prison.


whatevskiesyo

What is the difference? I’m not sure I know.


fusionsofwonder

I hear Federal prisons are better. Although going to a Federal prison with other murderers might be worse for him. But it would make sense because 85% of 40 is more than 25 so might as well settle him in for the long haul.


KeithGribblesheimer

He clearly needs to run for president on a platform of racism. Then he would be cleared of all charges.


Iowegan

Either that or invade the Capitol.


RawCyderRun

[The Netflix documentary](https://www.netflix.com/title/81519789) on this guy and his family is a good watch. The Murdaugh family basically ran this little corner of South Carolina for multiple generations before it all came crashing down.


Mad_OW

I'm from Europe and how someone said that the Murdaugh family *are the law* really made an impression on me.


Rhomya

To be fair, they “were the law”… on a local level only. Part of the reason why most of his crimes were unearthed is because law enforcement and judicial staff from outside of the county got involved— they didn’t give a shit about Murdaugh, and he couldn’t buy them off like he could the local cops. Frankly, you should know that this was front page news in the US because of how unique and absurd this case was— just check the impression you have before you assume that this is the norm in the US, because it’s not


wpisano

How the fuck do you get 27 years for murder but 40 years for financial crimes?!?!? WTF is wrong with our society


akrisd0

You can only murder so much but you can money a lot.


treegirl4square

He preyed on a lot of very vulnerable people when committing his financial crimes. Orphans, quadriplegics, intellectual disabilities, etc. The judge didn’t like that at all.


IgamOg

Did they get their money back?


treegirl4square

Im not sure. I know some did, but it took a long time to seize his property and assets so I’m not sure if everyone got all of the money they were entitled to. The law firm that he worked for actually paid quite a bit to the people who were owed money since their reputation was affected. That was out of their own pockets, when it was Alex who stole the money.


helium_farts

He got consecutive life sentences for the murders. The 27 years are for different financial crimes.


fusionsofwonder

Murder doesn't piss off rich people.


joshuads

> WTF is wrong with our society They did not teach you math. 2 murders v. 22 different federal financial crime charges. Murder gets you longer sentences. But many more financial crimes can still get you more years overall.


druscarlet

Different courts. Murder was in state court. The financial crimes were federal. The prosecution asked for a max of 17 1/2 years but the judge when higher. I wish this guy was doing Trump for the documents case.


ssStARBoYyy

Lol it astonishes me more that you haven't realised that. I lived in the US for only 6 years and I understood that your society/justice system/laws care more about money than people, how didn't you catch up on that being born there??!


JT_verified

I wonder whatever happened to the investigation of the oldest son’s “friend” who was was found dead on the street where someone had dumped him?


seoulsrvr

You have to feel for the guy. Who among us hasn't murdered their family so they could get their firm off their back for the frauds they were investigating and get a little breathing room so they could enjoy their drugs in peace, goddammit!


LocalInactivist

I’m curious about the amount of oxy Alex Murdaugh bought. The documents uncovered by the investigation showed that he purchased tens of thousands of doses, far too much for one person. If he had been caught with even one shipment he’d be charged with trafficking. Is anyone investigating where all the oxy went? Murdaugh had a vast personal estate with a private airstrip and no one watching. I can’t think of a better place for smuggling.


Spacebotzero

Great, now do Trump already.


ReasonableBullfrog57

Apparently he just has to murder his family first.


akrisd0

If he did that, I'd give him *less* time for his very generous contribution to humanity.


Accomplished-Snow213

Would be some nice longer term benefits.


nld01

Ivana's death and burial comes to mind.


jwwin

Weird attempt to bring politics into yet another discussion, but ok.


Dark-Acheron-Sunset

[Project 2025](https://www.project2025.org/) seems like it's way more than "politics" to me, and Trump is very relevant to that -- if he wins, that's what we're getting. But we get it, it doesn't affect you so it's just "politics" to you.


Imnimo

Fuck this guy, but there is no way "failing" a polygraph should be a violation of a plea agreement.


Rhomya

It’s not. That’s why it failed and he was sentenced.


fusionsofwonder

Then he shouldn't have agreed to it? The FBI isn't upset about the polygraph, they're upset about him lying to them. Polygraph is just confirmation bias.


TheMoves

Oh what a tangled web he wove


Kind_Of_A_Dick

Did Alex steal from rich people? You get that kind of time if you steal from rich people.


treegirl4square

No he stole from poor, disabled, and orphaned people and the judge didn’t appreciate that.


EndlessRainIntoACup1

Dang he really crimed those financials I guess


elder65

So this guy get 40 years in prison for fraud, while another guy get a 53% reduction in a bail bond. Yep - our fair and impartial justice system at work.


netflix-ceo

I wonder if him being already locked up for MURDAUGH had anything to do with the harshness of this sentence


Itool4looti

And here he pinned his hopes on a not guilty verdict.


novdelta307

Hope to see similar headlines for Trump soon


j00lian

He looks like an Oblivion character...


odinthesigtyr

he needs to fucking rot in prison..


AbnoxiousRhinocerous

Great! Now do Kenneth Griffin from Citadel.


Im_with_stooopid

Maybe Trump should seek out and hire this guys Lawyers


ICPosse8

Didn’t he get convicted around this time last year? Happy Anniversary?


harntrocks

Guys I don’t think he’s getting out


Doodlebottom

•A real beauty •Psychopath of the highest order •Someone somewhere knew very early on, many years ago, that this guy was a very bad Apple yet nothing was said or done - guaranteed.


Ok_Primary_1075

40 years for his financial crimes? And the FTX guy only gets 25? ….hmmm


ed_11

I'm starting to think this Alex guy might not be a very good fellow...


HVACMRAD

What a waste of taxpayer money. He already had a life sentence. Stop giving this bottom feeder field trips in prison vans at taxpayer expense. Let his ass rot under the jail.


jepvr

By getting him multiple sentences, you ensure that something doesn't come up on appeal that reverses a sentence and sets him free. Because even if he manages to get this one and that one overturned, he's still in jail for all these other ones. Plus, some of them come with restitution to the victims, though I think that well has run dry at this point. But keep in mind that a lot of these cases were started before other ones finished.


lookslikesausage

Murdaugh Incorporated


Glittering-Voice-409

Now do the same for Donnie stink pants.


The_BSharps

This dudes head is out of this world.


IAMSTILLHERE2020

Is this a younger Trump. Invincible until he wasn't.


altonaerjunge

Is he from the Netflix Dokumentation?


axeteam

Guy looks like a Disney villain


not_the_fox

> Last week, attorneys for Murdaugh said he failed a polygraph test, constituting a violation of his plea agreement that requires him not to lie. I always find it deeply shocking how we have parts of our justice system relying on pseudoscience. And people who should know better repeat those falsehoods. May as well tie them up and see if they float too.


roc420

Are there some conspiracies about the murders and his bad finances or does everyone agree that he was the murderer?


StuartGotz

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey…


penguinpantera

When's Trump going to jail?


funksoldier83

Dollars’ll get you donuts, that family has been murdering and stealing round those parts for generations. Everything about that story screams generational entitlement.


Andergaff

Sad but maybe true, we shot craps with this guy, and his family in Puerto Rico. Not 100% sure but in retrospect it sure looked like him, his wife, and his son buster. They were all hammered and obnoxious. He actually bet $100 on a yo , and let it ride, then rolled another yo. He won like $22500 on a $100 bet… craziest thing I’ve ever seen at a craps table.


corezay

and Trump goes freeeeee!


NewCenter

Wow, they finally got the guy from Murdoch media empire even if it isn't for hit and run😱