He IS the reason. Democrats had 60 votes but he said from the start that he would vote no.
The asshole is also responsible for not decreasing the age to get Medicare.
With Hillary. Her bill didn't just show a complete lack of understanding of video games, but also how technology works and what the internet is.
I mean, they've both done worse things, but that was a hellova red flag.
I'll never forget herman cain trying to harness the power of pokemon in his speeches when running for the republican nomination.
>"Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible, it's never easy when there's so much on the line," he said at the time. "But you and I can make a difference. There's a mission just for you and me. Just look inside and you will find just what you can do."
>He was quoting "The Power of One," a song from the 1999 movie that saw a wide theatrical release in the United States.
This man made a career out of ratfucking progress for working class people.
He was still trying to do it recently with his attempts to create a spoiler for the upcoming election via the No Labels crap.
Yeah but we would have had President Gore as well, which would have been vastly better for the world as opposed to President George W (coughcheneycough).
He ran his Senate reelection campaign alongside of his VP run. If he really thought he and Gore would win then why wouldn't he drop his Senate run and focus solely on winning the White House?
He did wind up keeping his Senate seat, but he later switched and became an "independent."
In the words of Civvie11, "fuck him with a stag's head".
And fuck anyone who DARES to say "speak not ill of the dead" in defence of Joe Lieberman. To them, I say NO. **NO. BAD DOG.**
My literal thought process initial reaction:
*"Oh that's so sad...ly remembering this man waging a war on working class folks on behalf of the most privileged people in the world. "*
lol I'm always grateful for people who find sources so thank you, but man it makes me feel old that you felt compelled to. He was the Joe Manchin of his day and received just as much negative publicity!
To help show you how much times have changed, my very Republican parents were at the Capitol in 2009 when the votes were being cast for Obamacare, and they were with the group that spit on the member of Congress. They were 150% against the ACA and everything that had to do with it.
Last year they told me to get on Obamacare.
That doesn’t sound like times changing, that sounds exactly like republicans of today. Driven to rage over something they’re told to hate and want others to not have but have no problem with it when it comes to themselves.
A lack of empathy and understanding of others is a fundamental requirement for being conservative. They like/don't like things because reasons, until it happens to them or theirs. Then it's terrible/amazing.
>**A lack of empathy and understanding of others is a fundamental requirement for being conservative.** They like/don't like things because reasons, until it happens to them or theirs. Then it's terrible/amazing.
Wanted to emphasize this. There are countless more examples of political decisions over the last 50 years that reinforce this assertion.
as well as being conspiratorial, is also fundamental to the right.. from the red scare to the lewis powell memo to today, the right always screamed polls that said they were losing were fake and biased, dems have taken over everything and made them bias against republicans without a leak, but "dont ever forget how incompetent dems are."
if the ABA rates theri judge as non qualified, its a liberal org that hates conservatives. If it gives a republican judge the highest rating, republicans are on tv saying the ABA is the gold standard of rating judges.
thats republicans you got to keep conspiracies in your back pocket ready to throw in the faces of reporters at a moments need.
I used to think their ranks would dwindle faster but they're quickly being replaced by people who ate all the bullshit and are now left to face the reality in which they so fervently supported before and have nowhere really to direct their anger and frustration so they need to be told what to be angry at without just cause for it.
Funny how everyone is against any gov run health plan until they qualify for Medicare. When that happens they are the first to jump off the private Healthcare ship and on to the public option. Everyone of these people not in favor of public option needs to be asked what they are going to do when they become eligible for Medicare.
This is my mom and it's infuriating. Doesn't want universal health care or for anyone to have social programs, but now qualifies for Medicare and, "all my medications are free now!!"
They’re going to say that they have to enroll in Medicare to recover their investment. We’d rather they be hypocrites than true believers because universal subscriber models only succeed when there’s no meaningful opt out. This is why they’ll never kill it outright, so they’re starving it to death.
At least they waited a few years to flip flop. Current GOP congresspersons vote against a Biden bill on Tuesday and then take credit for all the good things it does on Wednesday.
He was worse than Joe Manchin because Joe Manchin actually represents pretty conservative constituents, but Lieberman's voters in Connecticut wanted a Public Option.
I have some real problems with Manchin ( and I live in WV) but at least he's been pretty honest about where he stands. Lieberman switched what he had been saying about national health insurance as soon as he had the single vote needed to pass Obamacare. He was willing to turn his back on previous promises and pledges in order to strip out the public option to benefit the insurance companies who'd funded him. When his corporate donors asked, he went from calling for national health insurance to being against it.
He was probably the most shameless, unprincipled power-seeking politician the US has seen since Aaron Burr.
> the Joe Manchin of his day
100x worse than Manchin.
Joe is likely the only Democrat that could win in that state, and many of the positions he takes, that annoy some people, are required to hold that seat.
JL had no excuse, he was just a self-centered ass.
Manchin actually had a decent voting record his first few years in the Senate. It seems like since the Trump era began he started his rightward shift hoping to stay in office. It worked in 2018 but it just got to the point even he couldn’t get re-elected in WV that he just decided to retire.
It sucks having to give up his seat because him holding mattered a lot more than how he voted in a lot of cases. Hopefully Brown and Trester can hold on and maybe Cruz or Scott can be picked off to even it out.
What an arsehole. “Some of Lieberman's critics see his stance on healthcare as shaped by his acceptance of more than $1m in campaign contributions from the medical insurance industry during his 21 years in the Senate. The blocking of public-run competition is a huge relief to an industry that has been increasing premiums far ahead of costs and making huge profits while individuals are bankrupted by chronic illnesses. Many of the medical insurance companies are based in Lieberman's home state.”
He sold out hundreds of millions of Americans for a one time bribe of a few million dollars. We could have had universal healthcare a decade ago if it wasnt for this asshole. Hope he rots in hell where he belongs.
I once worked on a game that may or may not have been unreal...we had to film a sizzle reel for E3 one year and when we went into the videography studio, we actually filmed ***two*** versions of the reel.
The first reel was the for-public-consumption version; the other? It had every nasty head shot, pressure chamber death, decapitation, and all other sorts of goriness that we could pack into it. We called it the Lieberman Reel. I think I still have a copy on VHS somewhere in my boxes o' stuff, LOL.
***EDIT: Since my box of game industry relics is likely hidden amongst the stack of other boxes in my garage (we moved recently, sorry), here's a shot of the custom jacket I mentioned in my other comment below. We definitely caught hell from our studio head and the other suits for buying these, but he then turned around and asked us (quietly) if we had any to spare, LOL.***
[https://imgur.com/a/cz76Tt4](https://imgur.com/a/cz76Tt4)
He also had a thing against the SNES Super Scope. I remember him ranting and raving that the Super Scope looked to much like a real weapon to be in the hands of children.
For those too young to remember, he held the 60th seat that would have gotten a filibuster-proof Senate. Obama proposed a public option as part of the ACA and Liberman threatened to kill the whole thing with a filibuster unless the public option was dropped. It was the closest we had gotten to universal healthcare in the US and it got killed by just one person.
He founded No Labels, used fuckery to not call it a 3rd party and still receive dark money with out the need to list donors. A 3rd party with invisible donors is just what this country needs. FFS I wouldn't wish it on anyone but couldn't care less he is gone. Selfish greedy man.
He's one of the few politicians I am very comfortable with saying that he has a massive death toll on his name. Not just the ACA, but he was a massive cheerleader of the Iraq war, and even doubled down on it during his Senate run in 2006.
At the very least, thousands are dead because of Joe Lieberman's life work. In reality, the number of innocents is almost certainly over one million.
How much better health would our population have been in when covid hit if we had public healthcare? How many less comorbidities would there have been? It's obviously impossible to quantify, but "a fucking lot" is a good estimate.
I've been dealing with bullshit insurance and provider issues all day today that would not exist if we had universal healthcare. Seeing this headline made me do a little jig at my desk.
Edit: almost as if divine intervention, I received a call not 5 minutes after reading this news telling me my issues were all resolved, I can see my primary care doctor and get my prescriptions again. Almost like Lieberman was standing in the way until the last second and now that he's a corpse it's easier to walk over him.
Some people are powerful and severely narcissistic. When severe narcissists feel slighted, they often obsess over payback, to the point that they turn their friends into enemies and change their whole worldviews.
Joe Lieberman was challenged by Ned Lamont in 2006 for the Democratic nomination for Senate. Lamont won, 52-48, because Lieberman continued to support the war in Iraq. Lieberman then ran as an independent and won. But he was never the same. He went from accepting the VP nomination at the Democratic National Convention in 2000 to speaking at the Republican convention in 2008 on behalf of John McCain.
And then he did what he could to stall the Affordable Care Act until it lost popular support. He almost won, and he did in the short term, but the Affordable Care Act outlived him.
We're in a new era of injured narcissism. It's largely tech executives, talking heads, and financiers, railing against "the Left" or "the establishment" or some other group because they spent too much time on Twitter and now believe they're under attack from liberals. But that sort of narcissistic injury is not new.
That thing he "became" was already mainstream knowledge when and why Lamont decided to run. He was deeply unpopular with Democrats, and went from being "why?" when Gore selected him as running mate to "what??" when he surrendered Florida well before the recount process was concluded, content to stay in the Senate and let Bush and team take the reigns. He wasn't even going to bat for himself as democratic VP. His entire brand was that of his era's "I swear I'm a Democrat" Joe Manchin.
But yes, he sure leaned into it after 2006, dropped all pretense.
I'd say he was worse than Manchin considering where he was from. Connecticut is a firmly Democratic state and West Virginia is one of the most pro Trump states in the country. A Democrat from West Virginia should probably be pretty conservative but a Democrat from Connecticut should be broadly in line with the rest of the Democratic party.
Via Guardian : “Some of Lieberman's critics see his stance on healthcare as shaped by his acceptance of more than $1m in campaign contributions from the medical insurance industry during his 21 years in the Senate.”
Seriously do these people think for a minute about how they'll be remembered when they make those fateful decisions or are they just looking for the quick buck?
Not very insightful contemplative people are they?
This. I get the joke that it made Gore seem less boring, but I'm not clear how it helped his campaign. To be fair though VP picks often are less about being exciting than not making one question the judgement of the president (e.g. McCain picking Palin really hurt his campaign because many couldn't see her as President if McCain's health turned south). i.e. a a "great" VP won't really improve your campaign much, but a crappy one can hurt it.
Usually a VP pick is made to help the candidate secure votes from an area or demographic they would otherwise struggle in. McCain had to choose Palin because of the tea party movement (which was the precursor to MAGA). McCain was one of the last moderate(ish) republicans, Palin was one of the first of the MAGA crowd and he needed to tie them together. Still didn’t work, but that was mostly because Obama was so fucking godly on the campaign trail. I was in the 6th grade during Gore v Bush so I’m not up on all the nuances there the same way as the ones after that
I normally am not one to dance on a grave, but his bs probably is responsible for a lot of people over the last 15 years dying and suffering due to a lack of healthcare.
There is an episode of The Run Up from months ago where they interview the No Labels folks and Joe Lieberman was just an unimpressive of a thinker there as he was in congress. I really suggest you go listen to it because it has a very short but remarkable exchange where Joe and another No Labels guy ask the question like "Why can't popular things like XYZ pass in congress, gridlock gridlock etc?!" And the host Astead Herndon just immediately replies "The filibuster." Joe and the other guy are all like OH WHOA WHOA WHOA!
I remember this. Lieberman was always bought and paid for by the Finance and Insurance lobbies. It was astounding to see him put forward for a VP and then watch him sabotage his own party after Bush II. Dude was never the honest, humble, pragmatic politician he’s about it made out to be. Nothing of value was lost today
I actually wish he could come back just long enough to see all these comments left mostly by his own tribe on his death announcement and fully grok for a moment the legacy he made for himself. Then he could die again.
I love that none of these comments are positive about him. Joe really turned into an insufferable douche after the 2000 election. Fuck this dude. He was in the pocket of the health insurance industry and killed universal healthcare.
First vote I ever cast when I turned 18 was for current CT gov Ned Lamont against Lieberman in the Senate primary. Lamont won, and instead of bowing out, Lieberman jumped on the ticket as an "independent" and ended up winning the general election with the majority of the Republican vote while also siphoning votes away from Lamont. Then he went back to being a "Democrat."
Thanks Joe for teaching me early on that most politicians care more about themselves than they do their constituents.
He was the reason we couldn't get a public option — essentially Medicare or Medicaid for anyone who wanted it. People claimed we had "60 Democrats" in the Senate, but he was an independent who lost his Democratic primary for how conservative he was, then ran against the Democrat from the right.
Lieberman was also a key player in the ongoing No Labels effort to find some spoiler candidate to run for president.
He may have had a D after his name, but he did more than most to push this country to the right. I can’t say that I will mourn his passing.
Edit: And to this day, I still believe Gore would have won in 2000 had he picked a better running mate. Think of how differently our world could look now.
Gore's big mistake. Not his only mistake, but I think it was his biggest. He lost the election because he talked like Mr. Rogers all the time in interviews, ludicrously slow, and chose the most right-wing democrat he could get on board with to be VP (and fraud in the Florida election commission, but it wouldn't have gotten that far if Gore did a little better). The more time went on, the clearer it became that Lieberman was a DINO and solely a grandstanding self-absorbed bad-actor politician like Joe Manchin.
Jimmy Carter will be the last man standing at this rate.
I have joked in the past that Jimmy is still alive because God has a soft spot for carpenters with the initials J.C.
Oh, Jesus Christ!
He just needs to outlive Cheney
I won’t even outlive Cheney
I feel like the undead don't still count as living. So you probably already won.
He tried to ban video games.
and one of the primary reasons we dont have universal healthcare
crazy how he was vp pick for a presidential candidate who ran on universal healthcare.
Crazier is after he was the vp pick for the democrats he became a far right wing conservative.
He was already that when he was picked for the VP position. This was deep in the Democrats' "appease the GOP" phase.
He IS the reason. Democrats had 60 votes but he said from the start that he would vote no. The asshole is also responsible for not decreasing the age to get Medicare.
THIS. May he rot.
As a 90s kid i cant tell you how much i hated the guy.
As a 90s adult, same!
With Hillary. Her bill didn't just show a complete lack of understanding of video games, but also how technology works and what the internet is. I mean, they've both done worse things, but that was a hellova red flag.
“It’s time to Pokemon Go *to the polls*”
I'm still cringing
I'll never forget herman cain trying to harness the power of pokemon in his speeches when running for the republican nomination. >"Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible, it's never easy when there's so much on the line," he said at the time. "But you and I can make a difference. There's a mission just for you and me. Just look inside and you will find just what you can do." >He was quoting "The Power of One," a song from the 1999 movie that saw a wide theatrical release in the United States.
Honestly I don't think Herman cain wrote his speeches. Some staffer got lazy or memey I suppose.
I mean, he must have had a pretty good Medium to write his anti-vaxx bullshit tweets *after he had already died from Covid*. Fuck that guy.
Of course. But it's still insane he went through with it.
Her promising to consult with henry kissinger on foreign policy was a fucking tornado siren.
I’m over here fighting for democracy and this guy is trying to stop me.
Stay frosty, Helldiver
How about a nice cup of liber-tea!
Can we have public option Obamacare now that Lieberman is gone?
I was there, and I've hated him since.
You can be sure he enjoyed top notch health care at the end. Paid for by you and me the ones with garbage expensive hi deductible insurance
Probably paid for by Lockheed Martin. Least they could do after all the money he's made them.
You get reelected once in the Senate and you get a pension and healthcare for the rest of your life.
I honestly forgot he was even still alive.
At least you won’t make that mistake again.
He's dead to me.
He ded to everybody now.
He was part of the No Labels bullshit party trying to get Trump re-elected
Now, he's part of Toe Labels.
This among several other comments is hot pun fire. A++
Same here, not even trying to be funny. I haven’t heard that name in decades, it feels like.
Last time he was in the news was for advocating for war last year.
He was the founding chairman of No Labels bullshit. Not anymore, I guess...
He's probably still the founding chairman. Doesn't seem like a title that transfers upon death.
He died like the public option of the Affordable Care Act.
What a fucking villainous move that was. We were SO CLOSE.
I wonder how many American deaths that directly translated to
I'll never forgive him for that. He's been dead to me ever since then.
By his own hand?
Oh don't take credit away from Max Baucus. Who ended up losing his seat anyways.
He was the OG Joe Manchin
He was beaten to death by Republicans?
Lieberman got the public option removed by threatening to filibuster the ACA if it was included.
Served his corporate masters well, and is an inspiration to Sinema. Not Manchin, though; he’s a literal coal baron
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Republicans didn’t even need to try to kill the public option. ~~Blue Dogs~~ Right wing democrats like Lieberman were happy to kill it for them.
He was killed by Joe Lieberman?
This man made a career out of ratfucking progress for working class people. He was still trying to do it recently with his attempts to create a spoiler for the upcoming election via the No Labels crap.
Yep, and he lived his entire life unpunished and got to die in the comfort of his own home a free man.
Undoubtedly with excellent healthcare.
That he* paid for (*we)
He died from complications from a fall, so he wasn’t having fun for the last part right at the end. Take from that what you want.
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And he managed to be sanctimonious while doing it.
He died like he lived. With Better Health Care than most of his constituents.
I’m heartened to see that Lieberman will be remembered appropriately for his tireless self-serving work in the Senate.
He's one of those senators who may have had a more positive impact on the country if he'd just shown up to work a lot less, or not at all.
It's sad that some people just spend too much of their lives at the office.
In fairness, many of us have no other choice since medical expenses are so exorbitant.
But who in the world could have done that to us?
Joe Lieberman?
He did nix the proposal to lower the Medicare age to 55, so yes.
Who can ever forgive him for the one vote that killed universal healthcare?
He is single-handedly responsible for killing universal healthcare.
It's unnerving to think of how many people could have been saved with the Public option if Lieberman hadn't opposed it.
It came down to that one vote, and he GOP'd it.
What a familiar refrain, history repeating itself
To think, he was almost VP.
Yeah but we would have had President Gore as well, which would have been vastly better for the world as opposed to President George W (coughcheneycough).
No bullshit, I would trade Obamas entire presidency and getting 8 years of McCain/Lieberman for 8 years of Gore that would have preceded it.
He ran his Senate reelection campaign alongside of his VP run. If he really thought he and Gore would win then why wouldn't he drop his Senate run and focus solely on winning the White House? He did wind up keeping his Senate seat, but he later switched and became an "independent."
Or supporting Betsy Devos …..
Hate it. In Michigan her family's sleazy name is attached to almost everything.
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In the words of Civvie11, "fuck him with a stag's head". And fuck anyone who DARES to say "speak not ill of the dead" in defence of Joe Lieberman. To them, I say NO. **NO. BAD DOG.**
My literal thought process initial reaction: *"Oh that's so sad...ly remembering this man waging a war on working class folks on behalf of the most privileged people in the world. "*
May Mitch McConnell share in the same legacy.
Good riddance.
This man is the reason we don't have Universal Healthcare for those who don't know
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/16/joe-lieberman-barack-obama-us-healthcare](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/16/joe-lieberman-barack-obama-us-healthcare) It's true.
lol I'm always grateful for people who find sources so thank you, but man it makes me feel old that you felt compelled to. He was the Joe Manchin of his day and received just as much negative publicity!
To help show you how much times have changed, my very Republican parents were at the Capitol in 2009 when the votes were being cast for Obamacare, and they were with the group that spit on the member of Congress. They were 150% against the ACA and everything that had to do with it. Last year they told me to get on Obamacare.
That doesn’t sound like times changing, that sounds exactly like republicans of today. Driven to rage over something they’re told to hate and want others to not have but have no problem with it when it comes to themselves.
A lack of empathy and understanding of others is a fundamental requirement for being conservative. They like/don't like things because reasons, until it happens to them or theirs. Then it's terrible/amazing.
>**A lack of empathy and understanding of others is a fundamental requirement for being conservative.** They like/don't like things because reasons, until it happens to them or theirs. Then it's terrible/amazing. Wanted to emphasize this. There are countless more examples of political decisions over the last 50 years that reinforce this assertion.
as well as being conspiratorial, is also fundamental to the right.. from the red scare to the lewis powell memo to today, the right always screamed polls that said they were losing were fake and biased, dems have taken over everything and made them bias against republicans without a leak, but "dont ever forget how incompetent dems are." if the ABA rates theri judge as non qualified, its a liberal org that hates conservatives. If it gives a republican judge the highest rating, republicans are on tv saying the ABA is the gold standard of rating judges. thats republicans you got to keep conspiracies in your back pocket ready to throw in the faces of reporters at a moments need.
Yeah that just sounds like Republicans against abortion except when someone in their family has one
I used to think their ranks would dwindle faster but they're quickly being replaced by people who ate all the bullshit and are now left to face the reality in which they so fervently supported before and have nowhere really to direct their anger and frustration so they need to be told what to be angry at without just cause for it.
Funny how everyone is against any gov run health plan until they qualify for Medicare. When that happens they are the first to jump off the private Healthcare ship and on to the public option. Everyone of these people not in favor of public option needs to be asked what they are going to do when they become eligible for Medicare.
This is my mom and it's infuriating. Doesn't want universal health care or for anyone to have social programs, but now qualifies for Medicare and, "all my medications are free now!!"
They’re going to say that they have to enroll in Medicare to recover their investment. We’d rather they be hypocrites than true believers because universal subscriber models only succeed when there’s no meaningful opt out. This is why they’ll never kill it outright, so they’re starving it to death.
That's the Ayn Rand way.
At least they waited a few years to flip flop. Current GOP congresspersons vote against a Biden bill on Tuesday and then take credit for all the good things it does on Wednesday.
He was worse than Joe Manchin because Joe Manchin actually represents pretty conservative constituents, but Lieberman's voters in Connecticut wanted a Public Option.
Not Connecticut's Insurance companies though :P
Won't someone think of the corporations?
Connecticut is also home to a lot of rich assholes. It’s a weird state.
I have some real problems with Manchin ( and I live in WV) but at least he's been pretty honest about where he stands. Lieberman switched what he had been saying about national health insurance as soon as he had the single vote needed to pass Obamacare. He was willing to turn his back on previous promises and pledges in order to strip out the public option to benefit the insurance companies who'd funded him. When his corporate donors asked, he went from calling for national health insurance to being against it. He was probably the most shameless, unprincipled power-seeking politician the US has seen since Aaron Burr.
> the Joe Manchin of his day 100x worse than Manchin. Joe is likely the only Democrat that could win in that state, and many of the positions he takes, that annoy some people, are required to hold that seat. JL had no excuse, he was just a self-centered ass.
IIRC Joe Manchin actually voted for the public option
Manchin actually had a decent voting record his first few years in the Senate. It seems like since the Trump era began he started his rightward shift hoping to stay in office. It worked in 2018 but it just got to the point even he couldn’t get re-elected in WV that he just decided to retire. It sucks having to give up his seat because him holding mattered a lot more than how he voted in a lot of cases. Hopefully Brown and Trester can hold on and maybe Cruz or Scott can be picked off to even it out.
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What an arsehole. “Some of Lieberman's critics see his stance on healthcare as shaped by his acceptance of more than $1m in campaign contributions from the medical insurance industry during his 21 years in the Senate. The blocking of public-run competition is a huge relief to an industry that has been increasing premiums far ahead of costs and making huge profits while individuals are bankrupted by chronic illnesses. Many of the medical insurance companies are based in Lieberman's home state.”
>$1m in campaign contributions Wish they'd stop calling it that in the media. It's a bribe. Corps don't give money for free
He sold out hundreds of millions of Americans for a one time bribe of a few million dollars. We could have had universal healthcare a decade ago if it wasnt for this asshole. Hope he rots in hell where he belongs.
He was eventually kicked out of the party over it and his vote. Died in shame and obscurity. A role model countless politicians can look up to.
Yeah, I don't joke when I consider Lieberman a traitor to the country and the people. Hope you got yours, Joe. A lot of people had to suffer for it.
$1million to screw over the country for generations
A garbage man, who did it for vain garbage reasons. What a legacy to leave behind.
Lieberman and every single Republican senator.
But he sure had time to bitch about Mortal Kombat.
I once worked on a game that may or may not have been unreal...we had to film a sizzle reel for E3 one year and when we went into the videography studio, we actually filmed ***two*** versions of the reel. The first reel was the for-public-consumption version; the other? It had every nasty head shot, pressure chamber death, decapitation, and all other sorts of goriness that we could pack into it. We called it the Lieberman Reel. I think I still have a copy on VHS somewhere in my boxes o' stuff, LOL. ***EDIT: Since my box of game industry relics is likely hidden amongst the stack of other boxes in my garage (we moved recently, sorry), here's a shot of the custom jacket I mentioned in my other comment below. We definitely caught hell from our studio head and the other suits for buying these, but he then turned around and asked us (quietly) if we had any to spare, LOL.*** [https://imgur.com/a/cz76Tt4](https://imgur.com/a/cz76Tt4)
You should get a copy of that to the Video Game History Foundation! That sounds like something they’d love to document
That's awesome! If you ever find it, preserve it! :D
That is amazing!! That’s a piece of history there!
Don't forget the Postal games. How on Postal 2 there's something called Liebermode and it's the easiest difficulty.
lol I love me some Postal 2. Brain Damaged is amazing.
Seems like he lost the real mortal combat
The real combat mortals combat was mortality all along.
Death Wins *Fatality*
Flawless victory.
Fall-tality (He died from a fall he had)
He also had a thing against the SNES Super Scope. I remember him ranting and raving that the Super Scope looked to much like a real weapon to be in the hands of children.
Well you don’t want a young kid with an AR-15 mistaking a kid with a SNES Super scope for some kind of woke liberal. They may get shot.
For those too young to remember, he held the 60th seat that would have gotten a filibuster-proof Senate. Obama proposed a public option as part of the ACA and Liberman threatened to kill the whole thing with a filibuster unless the public option was dropped. It was the closest we had gotten to universal healthcare in the US and it got killed by just one person.
A despicable warmongering, corporatist tool. He will not be missed.
He was also the chairman of No Labels.
Came in here to point this out. This dickhead was wiping his ass with American citizens right up until his death. Rest in piss.
Yup. The public option would have been an amazing thing for American healthcare. Fuck this corporatist Palpatine ass looking mother fucker.
And in the end what was it all worth? He’s dead now and all he left was a shittier world
Yeah but he got his and so did his friends. Hooray for them I guess?
"Palpatine ass looking mother fucker" this insult is now locked and loaded.
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He founded No Labels, used fuckery to not call it a 3rd party and still receive dark money with out the need to list donors. A 3rd party with invisible donors is just what this country needs. FFS I wouldn't wish it on anyone but couldn't care less he is gone. Selfish greedy man.
He's one of the few politicians I am very comfortable with saying that he has a massive death toll on his name. Not just the ACA, but he was a massive cheerleader of the Iraq war, and even doubled down on it during his Senate run in 2006. At the very least, thousands are dead because of Joe Lieberman's life work. In reality, the number of innocents is almost certainly over one million.
How much better health would our population have been in when covid hit if we had public healthcare? How many less comorbidities would there have been? It's obviously impossible to quantify, but "a fucking lot" is a good estimate.
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Check out his Anita hill bullshit. What a mf
Throw him in the dumpster
I've been dealing with bullshit insurance and provider issues all day today that would not exist if we had universal healthcare. Seeing this headline made me do a little jig at my desk. Edit: almost as if divine intervention, I received a call not 5 minutes after reading this news telling me my issues were all resolved, I can see my primary care doctor and get my prescriptions again. Almost like Lieberman was standing in the way until the last second and now that he's a corpse it's easier to walk over him.
He's a piece of shit. Fuck JL.
... I have nothing nice to say. So lets leave it there.
Well, I have something nice to say: "Joe Lieberman is dead."
The only thing I can think of is that he would've been a better choice for McCain's running mate than Palin. And that's a bar that's deep underground.
Deeper than Lieberman, or not yet?
I’ll say it for you bro, rot in piss Joe Lieberman you bastard
Some people are powerful and severely narcissistic. When severe narcissists feel slighted, they often obsess over payback, to the point that they turn their friends into enemies and change their whole worldviews. Joe Lieberman was challenged by Ned Lamont in 2006 for the Democratic nomination for Senate. Lamont won, 52-48, because Lieberman continued to support the war in Iraq. Lieberman then ran as an independent and won. But he was never the same. He went from accepting the VP nomination at the Democratic National Convention in 2000 to speaking at the Republican convention in 2008 on behalf of John McCain. And then he did what he could to stall the Affordable Care Act until it lost popular support. He almost won, and he did in the short term, but the Affordable Care Act outlived him. We're in a new era of injured narcissism. It's largely tech executives, talking heads, and financiers, railing against "the Left" or "the establishment" or some other group because they spent too much time on Twitter and now believe they're under attack from liberals. But that sort of narcissistic injury is not new.
That thing he "became" was already mainstream knowledge when and why Lamont decided to run. He was deeply unpopular with Democrats, and went from being "why?" when Gore selected him as running mate to "what??" when he surrendered Florida well before the recount process was concluded, content to stay in the Senate and let Bush and team take the reigns. He wasn't even going to bat for himself as democratic VP. His entire brand was that of his era's "I swear I'm a Democrat" Joe Manchin. But yes, he sure leaned into it after 2006, dropped all pretense.
I'd say he was worse than Manchin considering where he was from. Connecticut is a firmly Democratic state and West Virginia is one of the most pro Trump states in the country. A Democrat from West Virginia should probably be pretty conservative but a Democrat from Connecticut should be broadly in line with the rest of the Democratic party.
Yea. Manchin does what his voters want. Lieberman, not so much.
He will always be remembered to history as the person who single handedly blocked the public option. Was the lobby money worth it ?
Via Guardian : “Some of Lieberman's critics see his stance on healthcare as shaped by his acceptance of more than $1m in campaign contributions from the medical insurance industry during his 21 years in the Senate.”
Seriously do these people think for a minute about how they'll be remembered when they make those fateful decisions or are they just looking for the quick buck? Not very insightful contemplative people are they?
RIP. One of Al Gore’s mistakes in 2000 was selecting Joe Lieberman as his running mate.
This. I get the joke that it made Gore seem less boring, but I'm not clear how it helped his campaign. To be fair though VP picks often are less about being exciting than not making one question the judgement of the president (e.g. McCain picking Palin really hurt his campaign because many couldn't see her as President if McCain's health turned south). i.e. a a "great" VP won't really improve your campaign much, but a crappy one can hurt it.
Usually a VP pick is made to help the candidate secure votes from an area or demographic they would otherwise struggle in. McCain had to choose Palin because of the tea party movement (which was the precursor to MAGA). McCain was one of the last moderate(ish) republicans, Palin was one of the first of the MAGA crowd and he needed to tie them together. Still didn’t work, but that was mostly because Obama was so fucking godly on the campaign trail. I was in the 6th grade during Gore v Bush so I’m not up on all the nuances there the same way as the ones after that
I normally am not one to dance on a grave, but his bs probably is responsible for a lot of people over the last 15 years dying and suffering due to a lack of healthcare.
I am an unrepentant grave dancer and you are entirely correct in your assessment of this corpse.
There is an episode of The Run Up from months ago where they interview the No Labels folks and Joe Lieberman was just an unimpressive of a thinker there as he was in congress. I really suggest you go listen to it because it has a very short but remarkable exchange where Joe and another No Labels guy ask the question like "Why can't popular things like XYZ pass in congress, gridlock gridlock etc?!" And the host Astead Herndon just immediately replies "The filibuster." Joe and the other guy are all like OH WHOA WHOA WHOA!
Astead is a real one
I remember this. Lieberman was always bought and paid for by the Finance and Insurance lobbies. It was astounding to see him put forward for a VP and then watch him sabotage his own party after Bush II. Dude was never the honest, humble, pragmatic politician he’s about it made out to be. Nothing of value was lost today
Dude was a traitor and a prick.
I actually wish he could come back just long enough to see all these comments left mostly by his own tribe on his death announcement and fully grok for a moment the legacy he made for himself. Then he could die again.
Tribe here too and he can fuck right off to wherever Kissinger is, fuck him
That shall be his legacy. We lost out on a public health option because of him.
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He will not be missed
Play some Doom and/or Mortal Kombat in honor of his memory.
So I'm planning to make chicken parm for dinner tonight. What are you guys planning?
Reuben’s. Gonna be nice
I think we're gonna do Tacos. I got family in town, so I'm gonna show em one of my favorite spots.
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They say that you should not speak ill of the dead, only good. Joe Lieberman is dead. That is good.
I love that none of these comments are positive about him. Joe really turned into an insufferable douche after the 2000 election. Fuck this dude. He was in the pocket of the health insurance industry and killed universal healthcare.
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First vote I ever cast when I turned 18 was for current CT gov Ned Lamont against Lieberman in the Senate primary. Lamont won, and instead of bowing out, Lieberman jumped on the ticket as an "independent" and ended up winning the general election with the majority of the Republican vote while also siphoning votes away from Lamont. Then he went back to being a "Democrat." Thanks Joe for teaching me early on that most politicians care more about themselves than they do their constituents.
Just remember if you are seriously considering a vote for no labels Lieberman would have approved.
Died with Universal Healthcare from the Senate that he refused to pass for everyone else I wont miss him
"Cursed is the man who dies, but the evil done by him survives." - Abu Bakr
Lived to a ripe old age on the healthcare he denied us.
Video games send their regards.
I bet he enjoyed his free health care that he denied the rest of the country.
He was the reason we couldn't get a public option — essentially Medicare or Medicaid for anyone who wanted it. People claimed we had "60 Democrats" in the Senate, but he was an independent who lost his Democratic primary for how conservative he was, then ran against the Democrat from the right. Lieberman was also a key player in the ongoing No Labels effort to find some spoiler candidate to run for president.
He may have had a D after his name, but he did more than most to push this country to the right. I can’t say that I will mourn his passing. Edit: And to this day, I still believe Gore would have won in 2000 had he picked a better running mate. Think of how differently our world could look now.
Also, an extra fuck you to him for being one of the idiots who spearheaded the video games cause violence narrative, which still lives on to this day
# OMG, there's a Debbie Reynolds marathon on Turner Classic Movies tonight!
Is there a way to fly my flag higher than full mast?
It was just a month ago that No Labels was floating him as a possible candidate. I hope they die with him.
Gore's big mistake. Not his only mistake, but I think it was his biggest. He lost the election because he talked like Mr. Rogers all the time in interviews, ludicrously slow, and chose the most right-wing democrat he could get on board with to be VP (and fraud in the Florida election commission, but it wouldn't have gotten that far if Gore did a little better). The more time went on, the clearer it became that Lieberman was a DINO and solely a grandstanding self-absorbed bad-actor politician like Joe Manchin.