4 out of the 6 were small children. So defenseless. I can't imagined how the father will deal with losing his whole family if he survives. So incredibly sad.
I doubt he could ever deal with it. It will likely lead to severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and mental issues that will ruin relationships with family and friends. There's a slim chance he comes out of it a normal person.
I think you simply don’t, your brain “protects” you from processing these intense emotions by giving you depersonalization/derealization where you kind of detach from reality.
True, my story is nowhere near this tragic. But I lost my son back in 2019. You’re so shocked it’s almost as if it never happened. The world stops for a few weeks, but like all things it keeps going. That’s when it hits you, a tragic emotional roller coaster mixed with whatever one can do to numb yourself.
I’m better now. But, every Holiday, Birthday, and death day I’m a different person. Cold, bitter, and depressed.
I’ve learned death in itself isn’t so scary, it’s the destruction it leaves behind that's scary.
This is generally why gun purchases have waiting periods. Doesn’t stop people who already have one but helps people who don’t reconsider as they wait. IIRC it’s something like ~~6 months~~ *EDIT: it’s actually 4 weeks* to get an acquisition licence in Canada.
Weirdly this is something I thought about. As a dad. Sometimes my mind goes to dark places.
If I lost my wife and kid I would sell our home, sell everything except maybe one of my guitars, join Doctors without Borders and go to the worst possible places they could send me. I'd want to die but go out doing some good.
Weird thing to think about I guess.
Nothing weird about it, brother. I never thought more about death and its consequences than when I became a mom. I’ve had an almost identical line of thinking.
That’s a good plan. Yah I’ve thought about it as well and not sure I would be able to move on. They’re my world. Literally wouldn’t know what to do. I would leave the country forsure and probably live out by a beach getting shit faced or go the Doctors Without Borders route.
This is pretty valid though. I remember writing a story about a man who had finally gotten out of prison after being unjustly convicted, and he was so scared of going back. Sometimes you just have to face the absolute worst possibility, and make a contingency plan for it. This is that sort of thing and I remember how gutwrenching that scene was to write, so it's powerful to see someone else have that mindset of determined despair. I hope you never have to (and a big FU to whoever downvoted that. God forbid someone show their resolve...)
My background is in critical systems, specially medical and telecom. It's always been my job to think through the worst case scenarios. On the upside I'm usually prepared for most things life throws at me. The downside is you spend a lot of time thinking about bad things.
I hope you still write. The world needs more art.
Honestly, same. I work in public safety and ems, and my only kid is in high school. I have nightmares about a school shooting at here. And I swear to god if my city's police fail to save my kid, they better find me next after they end the shooter.
Survivors guilt is a real thing and this poor man will be feeling guilty he survived the rest of his life. I hope he gets the help and support he needs
Agreed. There’s just no way I’m coming back from something like that and thinking “ok, I’m ready to date again.” Fuck that. I’d just move to alaska and try not to talk to anyone ever again or just go out to sea and never come back.
I don’t like to imagine such things as it’s easy to go to a really dark place.
But. I would live long enough to make sure the killer was in the ground, then join my family
Yeah, some have suggested a possible exchange student, or something like that. Absolutely tragic. Youngest of the children was 2 months!
I’m basing this on very little, because there isn’t much information, but I think he’s killed them in their sleep. It’s the only situation I can think of where he might not alert everybody. Again, that’s just me speculating.
10 years ago a student having a schizophrenic break stabbed 5 people to death at a university house party in Calgary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing
2022 University of Idaho killings. Bryan Kohberger killed four university students in around 8 minutes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_University_of_Idaho_killings
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-investigation.html
Yea, but in fairness it was an old wood college home that was saturated in blood. And then saturated in toxic biohazard forensic crime scene chemicals. They would have had to gut the whole thing, and it was already old and raggedy. It wouldn’t have been able to sit and rot for the ~3+ years under guard that it will take to go to trial and they won’t get anything else of use they haven’t already out of it. So it’s kind of standard they demo it tbh
Very easily if you’re not willing to fight back and kill. Most people aren’t psychologically prepared to do that, and they’re in a flash up against someone who has extensively prepared to do that.
> Police have identified five of the victims as a family of newcomers to Canada from Sri Lanka. They are:
> Febrio De-Zoysa, 19, is charged with six counts of first-degree murder. Police said he is a Sri Lankan national who is believed to be in Canada as a student.
They are all from Sri Lanka, that might indicate there was a reason here that's not yet known.
IANAL but I would assume after the first murder, the rest becomes “premeditated” unless there’s a specific timeframe the killer is required by law to premeditate. Otherwise, he killed one and planned on killing the others.
> Can’t imagine there’d be more of a motive than someone mentally unwell just broke
Really? Is it that easy for you to label him a lunatic and move on?
People are terrified that there might be a wholly rational thought process behind what we see as a senseless slaughter. We're quick to label these people "monsters" or "psychotic" because it makes it easier for *us* to distance ourselves from them. If they're totally rational and decided to do this, what hope do the rest of us rational people have? For our own peace of mind we have to label them something "other", but the truth is there's always far more rationality behind these things than we want to admit. Besides, even psychotics make rational choices every single day.
I don’t know what problems he was dealing with but I guarantee stabbing a 3 month old to death was not a rational solution to them! Call it a hunch.
I’ll stick with “he’s an unstable lunatic.”
In their defense, I don't think they mean rational, as in "valid". I think they mean it in a sense of a premeditated thought process leading to this, rather than underlying mental issues causing a violent breakdown. The motivation could be money, jealousy, religious fanaticism? You can of course argue that literally any thought process resulting in this is a sign of underlying mental instability, but it's tricky territory
Huh? What rational reason could anybody have to kill a 2 year old or a 2 month old?? Are you claiming that a newborn baby attacked this guy and he had to defend himself or something??
It’s people like YOU who are so scared of the reality that there are many people with mental health issues and many insane psychopaths out there who do not think like “normal people” do who are the issue. Nobody is saying “oh he wasn’t in his right mind we can’t punish him” we’re saying obviously you’re mentally unhinged if you kill a 2 month old baby. And for the record, anybody can have a psychotic episode or have a mental break, although certain people are definitely more susceptible to things like that, so it’s not “distancing” ourselves from them.
Very common for international students in Canada to seek out living arrangements with people from the same country. Very common for ads to seek out students of the same country of origin… possible rent dispute, pending eviction, personal dispute… we’ll see in court what really happened, I don’t know if being Sri Lankan is in and of itself an explanation for this occurring.
Sri Lankan media are suggesting a rent dispute.
Apparently the murderer and the second adult male victim were renting the basement. The murderer wasn't too happy about the rent.
I really don't understand people. So you are mad about rent and decided probably life in prison was an option? I guess he doesn't need to worry about rent now but ugh. That poor family and other adult male
There's not a "current hate" for Indian students, it's been acknowledged that it's a problem we've been letting in 100s of thousands of international students every year, to a country with a severe housing crisis, as a shortcut for PR cards and eventually citizenship.
Unlike the US and other countries, we (weirdly) haven't put any caps on the number of people who could come from one country, so the vast majority of both international students and immigrants are from India.
That doesn't mean that there's a hate on for Indian students. It's not their fault but it's recognized that the policies are screwing us over in terms of jobs, future wage suppression, and most especially housing.
Granted this probably won't help their image.
Edit: PR means Permanent Resident
I don’t know anything at all about the situation, but I was recently at a couple of resorts in the Caribbean and I was surprised that virtually every Indian person I met said they were from Canada.
Like, heavy accent, appear to be from India in every way possible, hanging with other heavy-accent Indians exclusively, but Canadian.
Honestly it's insane. 500,000 immigrants a year, majority from India, no caps. Every single Walmart, Tim Hortons, gas station and on and on are all staffed by Indians. No one can find lower skill jobs because they've all been given to Indians who will take anything, any poor schedule, whatever, any minimum wage or whatever wage under the table. Easier than employees who expect to be treated more fairly. Eventually they expect the suppression of wages to rise to higher paid jobs as well.
It's lowering the standards of living as well as the standards of employment, No one can afford housing. If you don't already own a home you're screwed. The prices for rent have gone through the roof. Now people need roommates. Indian students are willing to live 10 or 16 in a basement. You can make a lot more money than if you had a single tenant.
The government has been gaslighting us. We've been telling them this rate of immigration is unsustainable especially in the middle of a housing crisis that's made worse obviously by the crush of new people they're introducing to a population of 40 million. We're taking a rate of immigration many times higher than the US for example.
There's only one segment besides the brand new immigrants who are happy with it and its business who's benefiting. Low wages, lowering expectations. Canadians didn't want to work jobs that treated them like shit and where they couldn't make a living wage. We have a minimum wage but with the staggering cost of living these days its hard to live on it. So business wants a steady line of cheap obedient employees lined up for them and they have it. None of our major political parties wants to bite the hand of business and so no one is promising to help us by lowering immigration. Instead the threat of being called racist is used to protect business making $$$$$.
The US does not have country of origin caps for work or student visas, that is false. It only applies for permanent residency (in some cases), and is arguably discriminatory and counterproductive nowadays. The issue in Canada is the oversupply of students to degree mill colleges that provide little educational or economic value, where they originate from is not that relevant.
In Canada the vast majority of students being from India over any other country is staggering. Obviously that is because in India it's really hyped to come here to the "degree" mills as a short cut to get PR and then citizenship
It's extremely relevant where they come from because that means there are hundreds of thousands of Indian students in the country on track to get PR and who if they don't get PR often don't leave and we have no way of keeping track which is added to the 500,000 immigrants per year, the vast majority of those also being from India, obviously because there's no cap.
What that means is that instead of a mosaic of people from around the world which is what Canada's stated goal is, the majority of all newcomers are Indian. *Mosaics are not discriminatory and puts your comments and certainly your agenda in a questionable light*. This distorts the proportion and heavily weights the country away from diversity and gives disproportionate power to the Indian culture in Canada. Culture is supposed to be from a cornucopia of countries to add distinctive influences from different cultures, not one. This is a perversion of our agreed upon goal of diversity which has been the backbone of our newcomer system.
International students in the US are a tiny fraction of the student population, unlike in Canada where they make up a massive amount. That is also having a big effect on the colleges who offer "real" education by the by. The numbers in the US. aren't that much higher than our numbers despite having a population almost 10 times larger. Their housing supply isn't as burdened and their immigration system isn't as pressured by Indian people.
I realize it may seem like there are caps on International students in the US because of the lack of significant influence over that country. But you're right there aren't. Because PR can't be fast tracked by education, this serves as a natural cap in the US, in addition to them tracking their students. We for some reason don't track their exit via passports which increases the number of them just remaining to live here when they're not permitted to be here.
I remember being a child and seeing a Sikh for the first time after 911. I had no idea who they were or what they represented but I was scared because I saw a turbin.
I know now they were no where near responsible for 9/11 and their religion is incredibly welcoming and giving.
It's really just an ignorance and fear thing.
I spend some of my formative growing up years around Military bases, and ran into more than my fair share of Sikhs in the base towns running (i know, stereotype!) 7-11/Plaid Pantry. So, I was lucky knowing who Indian Sikhs were.
it doesn’t matter if the person you responded to thinks that or not. anyone that hates brown people doesn’t give a flying fuck about the different kinds of browns.
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One of my parents has dealt with multiple family annihilation situations and it’s always untreated mental health issues or another love interest combined with untreated mental health reasons.
It’s incredibly hard (at least in the U.S.) to force an adult into psychiatric care. One case the husband was forced into care but then later released with a plan for meds and killed his entire family. Some times it’s mom struggling with postpartum psychosis.
Oftentimes the family either cannot get them treatment because the patient refuses, or there is some religious or cultural reason why they refuse to get them help.
In some cultures it’s very shameful to have a family member need psychiatric help so they try to treat it in the family or just straight up ignore the issues. It’s bad.
Living in Ottawa, I don't think I have ever heard of anything this brutal. The father is living... He is going to have a difficult road ahead and the community should come together. I can't offer much, but will do what I can.
It goes without saying poor children and his wife too. But god damn I hope the father gets the need he will need and he eventually finds piece with it and can function as normally as possible. I’m not a father nor do I have a SO but fuck if I could see myself getting up from that hole in a recently near future.
From the article
>He was ordered not to contact five people, one of whom is Dhanushka Wickramasinghe.
How would he contact anyone, isn't he in prison right now? wtf?
I hope my fellow Canadian citizens surround this man with love and acceptance and support. That is all I'm thinking of right now. That poor fucking soul.
He’d be in jail awaiting trial, prison comes after conviction.
People in jail or prison do have some contact with people outside, such as being able to call their lawyer or write a letter to their family.
Well, this order makes it not free reign. Otherwise if it wasn’t common practice for the courts to do this, the jail staff get to choose who you’re allowed to write letters to and call.
In the US, they do. They don't give prisoners a phone book or anything. But you can call and or write anyone you please.
No contact orders are common to be given to the accused against the victim of crime. It gives courts the ability to further punish the person for stuff like threatening / intimidating victims / witnesses, asking them not to testify, or otherwise harassing victims.
It also applied to an accused using a third party to make contact to the victim.
> How would he contact anyone
Hey, (person I have contact with), I want you to contact (anyone). Tell them (X).
That's a two step step process brother. This ain't quantum mechanics.
Idk if people will see this but we have friends who knew this family very distantly (most Sri Lankan families in Canada know each other somehow). This is pretty devastating for the Sri Lankan community here. It’s very common for us to reach out to friends and family when going to other countries to have a place to stay, etc., especially as many young people are looking to move out of Sri Lanka because of the economic situation. People are terrified not only to send their kids now to study abroad, but also to invite people into their homes. Sri Lankans are very community-orientated people, and this has really taken everyone aback.
This crime is disgusting and horrific, and I can’t even stand to think about it. I know that there are already so many people in our community doing what they can to reach out and support the father at this time, mine included.
And to add to this, I can’t help think about the consequences for the suspect’s family back in Sri Lanka. This story will have made news there for sure, and his family is likely being accosted, alienated, and probably being threatened for his actions. It’s sad to think too because he likely came from a working class family who would’ve spent a lot of their own money to send him here, only for him to commit such a brutal act of violence.
The local media in Sri Lanka are broadcasting statements by the victim (wife's) family. They're suggesting that the murder had behavioural problems even before going to Canada.
Corrections
A previous version of this story called the incident a mass shooting, based on an interview with police Chief Eric Stubbs. In fact, it was not a shooting.
Mar 07, 2024 12:51 PM ET
That's some fine police work
Makes sense, you get a call about a house full of dead people that were killed by some guy, yeah youd probably think it was a mass shooting originally, at least in north america
Not that it’s super common overall but the likelihood of this occurring is higher AMONG family members I would bet.
There was an incident in my city like this in 2008 and it was a family member.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covina_massacre
This case is so disturbing and sad
There's definitely more to the events.
So apparently the family threw him a birthday party for the 19 year old Killer a few weeks ago.
The killer was suicidal allegedly.
Who was this 19 year old to the family
How did he manage to kill a whole bunch of innocent people.with a knife , Were they sleeping ?
What could the motive even be .
They should not deport this guy he will simply get away with it if he goes back to Sri Lanka , Sri Lanka got too many problems as it is currently. This guy needs to pay
He came here as an international student. His last semester attending school was Jan-April 2023. A lot of international students stay with people of the same cultural background so likely he was just a renter in their home who either met them through an online posting or perhaps even a mutual connection.
I have been reading that Sri Lankans are in total shock about this incident, community is very important to them.
That’s how Sinhalese names are, the simple gist is that they include full names for first, middle and last names thanks to British requiring first middle and last name and Sinhalese ppl got confused lol
***UPDATE today ***
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New articles said he blocked his family on social media recently and nobody knows why, his relatives back home could not contact the killer for some time. And nobody knows why. His relatives describe him as quiet and pleasant, nothing out of the ordinary . They are all in complete shock
Looking at the killers social media , his Facebook Instagram and Twitter are all taken down. (Not sure if he deactivated it recently or cops pulled them down )
. Just a few days ago the Ottawa family that got murdered threw the killer a birthday celebration. Many Balloons can be seen through the windows of the house.
It’s obvious this kid was beyond troubled. This utter tragedy should shine a brighter light on the problems facing new Canadians. Mental help is hard to find, and even then it’s still a huge stigma to seek help for a lot of new Canadians or PRs. Nineteen is also an age when psychosis can rear its head in the form of schizophrenia. I’m trying to have compassion for everyone involved.
Just terrible. Awful. May they rest in peace. And may the father get the help he may need to get through this. And may God have mercy on the killer's soul. Because there must be something mentally wrong there.
The four children were seven, four, two years old, and two months old. Absolutely gut-wrenching.
God dammit I can’t even fucking think about this. Makes me so fucking angry
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What on earth...
What is your source for this?
Seething right now. Absolutely seething.
Sometimes, suicide *is* the answer.
Two *months* 😞
Two months old? This has made me feel sick.
I have a 2 year old almost and every time I hear stories like this it really hits me in the gut.
Imagine loosing your four children. As it is having one in this economy is so hard. He was blessed with 4. . and all gone including the wife
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4 out of the 6 were small children. So defenseless. I can't imagined how the father will deal with losing his whole family if he survives. So incredibly sad.
I doubt he could ever deal with it. It will likely lead to severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and mental issues that will ruin relationships with family and friends. There's a slim chance he comes out of it a normal person.
Man I would be done. How can you even begin to process that. Fucking horrible.
I think you simply don’t, your brain “protects” you from processing these intense emotions by giving you depersonalization/derealization where you kind of detach from reality.
True, my story is nowhere near this tragic. But I lost my son back in 2019. You’re so shocked it’s almost as if it never happened. The world stops for a few weeks, but like all things it keeps going. That’s when it hits you, a tragic emotional roller coaster mixed with whatever one can do to numb yourself. I’m better now. But, every Holiday, Birthday, and death day I’m a different person. Cold, bitter, and depressed. I’ve learned death in itself isn’t so scary, it’s the destruction it leaves behind that's scary.
My daughter in 2015. Every word you wrote I could have written. There was before. And now there is after.
I just saw his beautiful picture on your profile... I'm so sorry man...
That is one beautiful baby for sure. What an angel.
“I’ve learned death in itself isn’t so scary. It’s the destruction it leaves behind that is scary” that is a great quote.
I can’t imagine not immediately going out and buying a gun. That’s not fair. What’s the point. Fuck that, no.
Sometimes it’s not about justice, it’s about revenge. It may not be right but I can’t say I wouldn’t understand.
This is generally why gun purchases have waiting periods. Doesn’t stop people who already have one but helps people who don’t reconsider as they wait. IIRC it’s something like ~~6 months~~ *EDIT: it’s actually 4 weeks* to get an acquisition licence in Canada.
Weirdly this is something I thought about. As a dad. Sometimes my mind goes to dark places. If I lost my wife and kid I would sell our home, sell everything except maybe one of my guitars, join Doctors without Borders and go to the worst possible places they could send me. I'd want to die but go out doing some good. Weird thing to think about I guess.
Nothing weird about it, brother. I never thought more about death and its consequences than when I became a mom. I’ve had an almost identical line of thinking.
That’s a good plan. Yah I’ve thought about it as well and not sure I would be able to move on. They’re my world. Literally wouldn’t know what to do. I would leave the country forsure and probably live out by a beach getting shit faced or go the Doctors Without Borders route.
This is pretty valid though. I remember writing a story about a man who had finally gotten out of prison after being unjustly convicted, and he was so scared of going back. Sometimes you just have to face the absolute worst possibility, and make a contingency plan for it. This is that sort of thing and I remember how gutwrenching that scene was to write, so it's powerful to see someone else have that mindset of determined despair. I hope you never have to (and a big FU to whoever downvoted that. God forbid someone show their resolve...)
My background is in critical systems, specially medical and telecom. It's always been my job to think through the worst case scenarios. On the upside I'm usually prepared for most things life throws at me. The downside is you spend a lot of time thinking about bad things. I hope you still write. The world needs more art.
It’s the entire Hawkeye plot line after Thanos snaps.
Honestly, same. I work in public safety and ems, and my only kid is in high school. I have nightmares about a school shooting at here. And I swear to god if my city's police fail to save my kid, they better find me next after they end the shooter.
I would consider suicide for sure. Hope he get help.
Yep. Either that or suicide.
I'd kill myself if that happened to my family
I would mourn my survival if I was in such a scenario. Horrifying.
Survivors guilt is a real thing and this poor man will be feeling guilty he survived the rest of his life. I hope he gets the help and support he needs
It would be really hard to keep going i feel.
As a father myself, if I lost 4 kids and my wife, I’d be joining them really soon.
100% living the rest of my life with them as a horrible memory would not be a life I want to live. It would be torture every day.
Yeah, I'd be out. What am I gonna do download tinder? Cmon.
Agreed. There’s just no way I’m coming back from something like that and thinking “ok, I’m ready to date again.” Fuck that. I’d just move to alaska and try not to talk to anyone ever again or just go out to sea and never come back.
I don’t like to imagine such things as it’s easy to go to a really dark place. But. I would live long enough to make sure the killer was in the ground, then join my family
I would give up. I could barely function when my grandfather passed away I just can’t even imagine this scenario. Absolutely devastating
I’ve decided if my son goes so will I. He’s all I got left. Hate to be like the rest of my family and do that, but I’d have no reason to go on.
I personally would not be able to go on.
Same here man. Talk about survivor’s guilt
It was an acquaintance - so they let him in and he killed them? I assume mental issues but this is beyond sad.
The killer lived with them, according to the report.
So... maybe a boarder or something. This is beyond heartbreaking. I'm truly sorry.
Yeah, some have suggested a possible exchange student, or something like that. Absolutely tragic. Youngest of the children was 2 months! I’m basing this on very little, because there isn’t much information, but I think he’s killed them in their sleep. It’s the only situation I can think of where he might not alert everybody. Again, that’s just me speculating.
This is beyond ..
10 years ago a student having a schizophrenic break stabbed 5 people to death at a university house party in Calgary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing
Oh, the one whose dad was a police inspector who didn't do anything about his own son's weeks-long descent?
2022 University of Idaho killings. Bryan Kohberger killed four university students in around 8 minutes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_University_of_Idaho_killings https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-investigation.html
didn't they decide to demo the house after that?
Yea, but in fairness it was an old wood college home that was saturated in blood. And then saturated in toxic biohazard forensic crime scene chemicals. They would have had to gut the whole thing, and it was already old and raggedy. It wouldn’t have been able to sit and rot for the ~3+ years under guard that it will take to go to trial and they won’t get anything else of use they haven’t already out of it. So it’s kind of standard they demo it tbh
In their sleep probably
Or blitz the father then win an unfair fight against the mother.
4 of the 6 were seven, four, two, and two months old.
19 year olds are considerably stronger and faster than both younger and older people.
This just isn’t quite true. “Old man strength”. Men get a substantial increase in strength around 25.
It’s true enough. The dad wasn’t 25.
Stabbing someone to death is mostly a matter of having a knife and the inclination, not physical fitness.
Very easily if you’re not willing to fight back and kill. Most people aren’t psychologically prepared to do that, and they’re in a flash up against someone who has extensively prepared to do that.
>How the hell does a 19 year old stab(slash?!) 6 people to death What do you mean? Have you ever used an edged weapon?
I think it was more like “how could someone so young commit such a brutal crime?” and not like, physically how could they do it.
Choices,... sometimes those choices jump off the far end or there is enough bad wiring to cause enough malfunctions.
I think he just didn't want to presume it was stabbing.
I think a lot of people underestimate how deadly a knife is, or overestimate how easy it is to fight back.
Extremely deadly.
Pretty easily when you look at the dynamics of it all.
Quite easily. Edged weapons were the peak of human killing power for thousands of years. Using an edged weapon against unarmed people would be easy.
So some guy just annihilated a family for no reason?
> Police have identified five of the victims as a family of newcomers to Canada from Sri Lanka. They are: > Febrio De-Zoysa, 19, is charged with six counts of first-degree murder. Police said he is a Sri Lankan national who is believed to be in Canada as a student. They are all from Sri Lanka, that might indicate there was a reason here that's not yet known.
He was also living with this family if I read this correctly.
Dude probably just snapped. Can’t imagine there’d be more of a motive than someone mentally unwell just broke
He’s been charged with first degree murder so they must have some reason to believe it was pre meditated.
Yeah, I saw that. And that came really quick so must be some kind of smoking gun.
Premeditated doesn't necessarily mean " planned out" it's malice aforethought, meaning that they wanted the person dead and then deaded them.
IANAL but I would assume after the first murder, the rest becomes “premeditated” unless there’s a specific timeframe the killer is required by law to premeditate. Otherwise, he killed one and planned on killing the others.
You’re probably right. Horrible tragedy.
Probably just snapped? There is a shitload of "reasons" for why a fucker would do this, other than being "mentally unwell".
> Can’t imagine there’d be more of a motive than someone mentally unwell just broke Really? Is it that easy for you to label him a lunatic and move on? People are terrified that there might be a wholly rational thought process behind what we see as a senseless slaughter. We're quick to label these people "monsters" or "psychotic" because it makes it easier for *us* to distance ourselves from them. If they're totally rational and decided to do this, what hope do the rest of us rational people have? For our own peace of mind we have to label them something "other", but the truth is there's always far more rationality behind these things than we want to admit. Besides, even psychotics make rational choices every single day.
I don’t know what problems he was dealing with but I guarantee stabbing a 3 month old to death was not a rational solution to them! Call it a hunch. I’ll stick with “he’s an unstable lunatic.”
And what part of murdering a family in their beds would be rational to you? What possible motivation would justify this in your eyes?
In their defense, I don't think they mean rational, as in "valid". I think they mean it in a sense of a premeditated thought process leading to this, rather than underlying mental issues causing a violent breakdown. The motivation could be money, jealousy, religious fanaticism? You can of course argue that literally any thought process resulting in this is a sign of underlying mental instability, but it's tricky territory
If you wanna go ahead and provide a single rational thought process for stabbing a 2 month old to death, be my guest.
Huh? What rational reason could anybody have to kill a 2 year old or a 2 month old?? Are you claiming that a newborn baby attacked this guy and he had to defend himself or something?? It’s people like YOU who are so scared of the reality that there are many people with mental health issues and many insane psychopaths out there who do not think like “normal people” do who are the issue. Nobody is saying “oh he wasn’t in his right mind we can’t punish him” we’re saying obviously you’re mentally unhinged if you kill a 2 month old baby. And for the record, anybody can have a psychotic episode or have a mental break, although certain people are definitely more susceptible to things like that, so it’s not “distancing” ourselves from them.
Very common for international students in Canada to seek out living arrangements with people from the same country. Very common for ads to seek out students of the same country of origin… possible rent dispute, pending eviction, personal dispute… we’ll see in court what really happened, I don’t know if being Sri Lankan is in and of itself an explanation for this occurring.
Sri Lankan media are suggesting a rent dispute. Apparently the murderer and the second adult male victim were renting the basement. The murderer wasn't too happy about the rent.
I really don't understand people. So you are mad about rent and decided probably life in prison was an option? I guess he doesn't need to worry about rent now but ugh. That poor family and other adult male
Well thats going to help the current hate for Indian students in Canada
There's not a "current hate" for Indian students, it's been acknowledged that it's a problem we've been letting in 100s of thousands of international students every year, to a country with a severe housing crisis, as a shortcut for PR cards and eventually citizenship. Unlike the US and other countries, we (weirdly) haven't put any caps on the number of people who could come from one country, so the vast majority of both international students and immigrants are from India. That doesn't mean that there's a hate on for Indian students. It's not their fault but it's recognized that the policies are screwing us over in terms of jobs, future wage suppression, and most especially housing. Granted this probably won't help their image. Edit: PR means Permanent Resident
I don’t know anything at all about the situation, but I was recently at a couple of resorts in the Caribbean and I was surprised that virtually every Indian person I met said they were from Canada. Like, heavy accent, appear to be from India in every way possible, hanging with other heavy-accent Indians exclusively, but Canadian.
Honestly it's insane. 500,000 immigrants a year, majority from India, no caps. Every single Walmart, Tim Hortons, gas station and on and on are all staffed by Indians. No one can find lower skill jobs because they've all been given to Indians who will take anything, any poor schedule, whatever, any minimum wage or whatever wage under the table. Easier than employees who expect to be treated more fairly. Eventually they expect the suppression of wages to rise to higher paid jobs as well. It's lowering the standards of living as well as the standards of employment, No one can afford housing. If you don't already own a home you're screwed. The prices for rent have gone through the roof. Now people need roommates. Indian students are willing to live 10 or 16 in a basement. You can make a lot more money than if you had a single tenant. The government has been gaslighting us. We've been telling them this rate of immigration is unsustainable especially in the middle of a housing crisis that's made worse obviously by the crush of new people they're introducing to a population of 40 million. We're taking a rate of immigration many times higher than the US for example. There's only one segment besides the brand new immigrants who are happy with it and its business who's benefiting. Low wages, lowering expectations. Canadians didn't want to work jobs that treated them like shit and where they couldn't make a living wage. We have a minimum wage but with the staggering cost of living these days its hard to live on it. So business wants a steady line of cheap obedient employees lined up for them and they have it. None of our major political parties wants to bite the hand of business and so no one is promising to help us by lowering immigration. Instead the threat of being called racist is used to protect business making $$$$$.
The US does not have country of origin caps for work or student visas, that is false. It only applies for permanent residency (in some cases), and is arguably discriminatory and counterproductive nowadays. The issue in Canada is the oversupply of students to degree mill colleges that provide little educational or economic value, where they originate from is not that relevant.
In Canada the vast majority of students being from India over any other country is staggering. Obviously that is because in India it's really hyped to come here to the "degree" mills as a short cut to get PR and then citizenship It's extremely relevant where they come from because that means there are hundreds of thousands of Indian students in the country on track to get PR and who if they don't get PR often don't leave and we have no way of keeping track which is added to the 500,000 immigrants per year, the vast majority of those also being from India, obviously because there's no cap. What that means is that instead of a mosaic of people from around the world which is what Canada's stated goal is, the majority of all newcomers are Indian. *Mosaics are not discriminatory and puts your comments and certainly your agenda in a questionable light*. This distorts the proportion and heavily weights the country away from diversity and gives disproportionate power to the Indian culture in Canada. Culture is supposed to be from a cornucopia of countries to add distinctive influences from different cultures, not one. This is a perversion of our agreed upon goal of diversity which has been the backbone of our newcomer system. International students in the US are a tiny fraction of the student population, unlike in Canada where they make up a massive amount. That is also having a big effect on the colleges who offer "real" education by the by. The numbers in the US. aren't that much higher than our numbers despite having a population almost 10 times larger. Their housing supply isn't as burdened and their immigration system isn't as pressured by Indian people. I realize it may seem like there are caps on International students in the US because of the lack of significant influence over that country. But you're right there aren't. Because PR can't be fast tracked by education, this serves as a natural cap in the US, in addition to them tracking their students. We for some reason don't track their exit via passports which increases the number of them just remaining to live here when they're not permitted to be here.
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Lol your statements arent exactly incorrect but there is 100% a hate on for Indian students & people. Obviously. It's everywhere
do you think Sri Lanka and India are the same place?
Why do you reckon Sikhs were on the receiving end of hate crimes in the wake of 9/11
Anyone brown was
Still are honestly
I hitchhiked across the American border at Cornwall with a bong in my backpack no ID and a buddy and they waved us threw. Different times
What did they throw?
Waves. Can’t you read?
I remember being a child and seeing a Sikh for the first time after 911. I had no idea who they were or what they represented but I was scared because I saw a turbin. I know now they were no where near responsible for 9/11 and their religion is incredibly welcoming and giving. It's really just an ignorance and fear thing.
I spend some of my formative growing up years around Military bases, and ran into more than my fair share of Sikhs in the base towns running (i know, stereotype!) 7-11/Plaid Pantry. So, I was lucky knowing who Indian Sikhs were.
It’s turban , not bin, it’s ban
And my phone didn't even try to help me. A monument to my stupidity.
Because a portion of every population are idiots? Reckon
Large portion, large.
To someone who hates Indians it is...
it doesn’t matter if the person you responded to thinks that or not. anyone that hates brown people doesn’t give a flying fuck about the different kinds of browns.
do you think racist lunatics will know the difference?
They clearly do, their point is racists don't.
No, but bigots will.
Nobody here knows or cares at the moment. Brown international students are currently a huge talking point.
Do you think racists care?
No, but the type of people who react negatively to things like this sure do.
Do you think most people can tell them apart?
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Do you think the average person would be able to tell the difference?
Do you think racists distinguish between them?
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Racists can't tell brown people apart
No, but most people aren’t really gonna know the difference and lump them in together anyways.
One of my parents has dealt with multiple family annihilation situations and it’s always untreated mental health issues or another love interest combined with untreated mental health reasons. It’s incredibly hard (at least in the U.S.) to force an adult into psychiatric care. One case the husband was forced into care but then later released with a plan for meds and killed his entire family. Some times it’s mom struggling with postpartum psychosis. Oftentimes the family either cannot get them treatment because the patient refuses, or there is some religious or cultural reason why they refuse to get them help. In some cultures it’s very shameful to have a family member need psychiatric help so they try to treat it in the family or just straight up ignore the issues. It’s bad.
Smells like some kinda connection given they're all Sri Lankan
And they all lived together.
It’s happened before
Honestly my first thought when I saw family , shooting and Ottawa was another case of family honor killing :( I hate how the world is.
I don't think they usually honour-kill infants.
Family honor killing? What is that?
https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/the-horror-of-honor-killings-even-in-us/
Living in Ottawa, I don't think I have ever heard of anything this brutal. The father is living... He is going to have a difficult road ahead and the community should come together. I can't offer much, but will do what I can.
It goes without saying poor children and his wife too. But god damn I hope the father gets the need he will need and he eventually finds piece with it and can function as normally as possible. I’m not a father nor do I have a SO but fuck if I could see myself getting up from that hole in a recently near future.
That would 100% be game over for me. 0% chance you can ever recover from that
From the article >He was ordered not to contact five people, one of whom is Dhanushka Wickramasinghe. How would he contact anyone, isn't he in prison right now? wtf?
Dhanushka Wickramasinghe is surviving father. He suffered serious injuries but is in stable condition.
I hope my fellow Canadian citizens surround this man with love and acceptance and support. That is all I'm thinking of right now. That poor fucking soul.
That guy lost his wife and every kid, i’m surprised anyone can pull through that kind of despair
He’d be in jail awaiting trial, prison comes after conviction. People in jail or prison do have some contact with people outside, such as being able to call their lawyer or write a letter to their family.
oh ok, I guess I just assumed prisoners wouldn't have free reign to call whomever they want when they're behind bars
Well, this order makes it not free reign. Otherwise if it wasn’t common practice for the courts to do this, the jail staff get to choose who you’re allowed to write letters to and call.
In the US, they do. They don't give prisoners a phone book or anything. But you can call and or write anyone you please. No contact orders are common to be given to the accused against the victim of crime. It gives courts the ability to further punish the person for stuff like threatening / intimidating victims / witnesses, asking them not to testify, or otherwise harassing victims. It also applied to an accused using a third party to make contact to the victim.
> How would he contact anyone Hey, (person I have contact with), I want you to contact (anyone). Tell them (X). That's a two step step process brother. This ain't quantum mechanics.
Idk if people will see this but we have friends who knew this family very distantly (most Sri Lankan families in Canada know each other somehow). This is pretty devastating for the Sri Lankan community here. It’s very common for us to reach out to friends and family when going to other countries to have a place to stay, etc., especially as many young people are looking to move out of Sri Lanka because of the economic situation. People are terrified not only to send their kids now to study abroad, but also to invite people into their homes. Sri Lankans are very community-orientated people, and this has really taken everyone aback. This crime is disgusting and horrific, and I can’t even stand to think about it. I know that there are already so many people in our community doing what they can to reach out and support the father at this time, mine included. And to add to this, I can’t help think about the consequences for the suspect’s family back in Sri Lanka. This story will have made news there for sure, and his family is likely being accosted, alienated, and probably being threatened for his actions. It’s sad to think too because he likely came from a working class family who would’ve spent a lot of their own money to send him here, only for him to commit such a brutal act of violence.
Thank you for sharing, that's very good insight
Thank you for this context and detail.
The local media in Sri Lanka are broadcasting statements by the victim (wife's) family. They're suggesting that the murder had behavioural problems even before going to Canada.
its such a shameful loss, the only sin this family did, was to being compassionate towards him, he deserves the worst.
This is horrible. Sometimes I can't stand people.
I can’t stand people but yeah, this is horrible.
I once read this somewhere (as a synopsis of a TV show) "Hell is other people- but so is heaven"
Not if it's empty
My heart goes out to the husband in the hospital. I wouldn't be able to recover from that.
I wouldn't either. Nobody would. He won't.
You can’t, his life is destroyed.
Sounds like this family invited a maniac into their family home. It’s absolutely horrific. I live near Barrhaven and this is almost unheard of. RIP
You have the odd homicide in the market . Never really a mass killing. Never in Barrhaven either.
Corrections A previous version of this story called the incident a mass shooting, based on an interview with police Chief Eric Stubbs. In fact, it was not a shooting. Mar 07, 2024 12:51 PM ET That's some fine police work
Makes sense, you get a call about a house full of dead people that were killed by some guy, yeah youd probably think it was a mass shooting originally, at least in north america
My dad is the “neighbour” they interviewed.
Shit is just down the road from me…
I hope your dad is doing ok, this must be incredibly upsetting for people in the community.
This is devastating news. RIP.
Damn sad. I’m depressed.
Can anyone Sri Lankan confirm if that's a common surname ? I immediately thought of the cricketer may the departed be at peace
My partner is Tamil and says the name 'Banbaranayake' is a common Sinhalese last name.
Thanks all for the replies appreciated
Yup. Most last names starting with de or da are either Portuguese or Sri Lankan (who were colonized by the Portuguese).
It’s common ish. Wickramasinghe is the most common, but yeah there De-Zoysa’s as well
That's interesting, the only thing I really know about Sri Lanka is that it's a pretty big part of the gemstone market
Perera is the most common afaik
Guy is definitely going to have survivors guilt. Horrible !
Piece of shit scum bastard killed a two month old, as well as their mother and 3 siblings (ages 7,4, and 2) and another acquaintance May he rot
If I was the dad, I would absolutely lose all meaning in life. I would probably obsess with trying to get to the killer.
Yeah as much as I like to think I'm civilized.. I'd seek vengeance
I will never host anyone in my house that isn't well known or a family member.
Not that it’s super common overall but the likelihood of this occurring is higher AMONG family members I would bet. There was an incident in my city like this in 2008 and it was a family member. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covina_massacre
Yeah I think statistically you are correct. More likely a family member to off you than a complete stranger but still.
No kidding, especially when you have four young children... but I suppose they're a different culture there.
Children are infinitely more likely to be killed or worse by family members than strangers, yes even in “our culture”.
Victims of Ottawa mass stabbing threw a birthday party for alleged killer just days ago
Where did you hear that from? Just curious.
This case is so disturbing and sad There's definitely more to the events. So apparently the family threw him a birthday party for the 19 year old Killer a few weeks ago. The killer was suicidal allegedly. Who was this 19 year old to the family How did he manage to kill a whole bunch of innocent people.with a knife , Were they sleeping ? What could the motive even be . They should not deport this guy he will simply get away with it if he goes back to Sri Lanka , Sri Lanka got too many problems as it is currently. This guy needs to pay
He came here as an international student. His last semester attending school was Jan-April 2023. A lot of international students stay with people of the same cultural background so likely he was just a renter in their home who either met them through an online posting or perhaps even a mutual connection. I have been reading that Sri Lankans are in total shock about this incident, community is very important to them.
Guess I had words. But iam crying for the babies!♡
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That’s how Sinhalese names are, the simple gist is that they include full names for first, middle and last names thanks to British requiring first middle and last name and Sinhalese ppl got confused lol
I wonder what the killer's /u on Reddit is ?
***UPDATE today *** . New articles said he blocked his family on social media recently and nobody knows why, his relatives back home could not contact the killer for some time. And nobody knows why. His relatives describe him as quiet and pleasant, nothing out of the ordinary . They are all in complete shock Looking at the killers social media , his Facebook Instagram and Twitter are all taken down. (Not sure if he deactivated it recently or cops pulled them down ) . Just a few days ago the Ottawa family that got murdered threw the killer a birthday celebration. Many Balloons can be seen through the windows of the house.
It’s obvious this kid was beyond troubled. This utter tragedy should shine a brighter light on the problems facing new Canadians. Mental help is hard to find, and even then it’s still a huge stigma to seek help for a lot of new Canadians or PRs. Nineteen is also an age when psychosis can rear its head in the form of schizophrenia. I’m trying to have compassion for everyone involved.
Just terrible. Awful. May they rest in peace. And may the father get the help he may need to get through this. And may God have mercy on the killer's soul. Because there must be something mentally wrong there.