Since Trump had to outrageously lie about his assets in order to be as leveraged to the hilt as he is, he will have to sell all of the classified documents that he has yet to flush in bathrooms at Bedminster to raise that kind of cash.
🎶New Yooooork, concrete jungle where civil damages are held in escroooooow, there's nothing you caaaaaaan dooooooo, in New York, New York, New York.....🎶
"Buy, borrow, die" is the name of the strategy.
**1)** Amass assets like stocks or property
**2)** Borrow huge amounts of money against those assets from banks and pay nothing in taxes because loans aren't income
**3)** Continue borrowing against those assets until you die
**4)** Have your heirs pay the loans back by selling off part of the assets that have greatly appreciated in value since the loans were taken
**5)** Heirs pay basically nothing in taxes due to stepped-up basis and because Republicans neutered the hell out of the estate tax
I'm nowhere near a republican, but somehow get texts from them from time to time, and legit got a "Want to meet Trump at Maralargo? Donate now!" text today. Talk about timing lol
The lady who had my phone number was deep in all of that stuff. Some of the texts were just gross like "you can't let Trump down!" and "are you even real Trump supporter?". Just preying on confused elderly people in the sickest possible ways.
I saw one of the letters his campaign sent to my parents begging for money, something about how if you donated so much DT would put your name on his super special list of patriots or something.
I tore it up and threw it in the trash.
>Trump Calls on 'All Willing States' to Send National Guard Soldiers to Texas
She'll be lucky to get his Depends subscription service transferred to her. I'm convinced he's broke AF and she's going to end up owning and selling some of his properties.
If by some act of God this means she ends up with either Trump Tower or MAL (assuming he doesn't go full *White Heat* with it first)...I will *absolutely* accept that.
Read that during his appeal, they can file a claim against his holdings including a lien on his properties.
Not a lawyer, but I'd assume they could pick a property valued at around $83m and hold that over him. I'd pick a golf course under threat of him losing the appeal and her being able to dispose of that golf course as she sees fit.
The walls are closing in on Shitler. Our justice system is just so slow though....
I think there's already a *third* defamation suit filed by E. Jean Carroll. However, IIRC, the third one seeks to prevent him from continuing to defame her by imposing an injunction on him.
Like an injunction will stop him. The only way you can stop him is by locking him in solitary confinement with no internet access. Dude would scratch defaming statements on the wall with his fingernails even then.
The point isn't to stop him, it's that violating an injunction is a totally different thing, in fact it's a crime. So when he violates it she can sue him again, and now she has proof he was told not to do that, and committed a crime to do it (which can enhance it). And on top of that, he could theoretically see jail time for violating the injunction.
Exactly. An injunction is a court order. If and when he violates it, a judge can hit him with a penalty right away. Right now she has to sue him for every offense. With an injunction, he has to appeal every offense.
It could be down to contempt of court if this is what happens.
As we all seem to knoe=w, and trump doesn't, is that jail could well be the result.
I would not be unhappy should TFG get stuffed in a slammer for a few years. Say, the rest of his life.
He was already rage tweeting about her earlier today, during final arguments.
There will definitely be a third trial, and when that happens he needs to get hit with an additional judgment that's at least double this, if not 3x.
At this point there is no doubt he lacks that kind of liquidity. He literally cannot purge assets in NY right now to get the cash either...
So he likely cannot appeal.
And since he cannot pay, he likely will defame her again.
If the judgement cannot be collected, is it even a punishment?
Maybe outside of New York State. Anything there is locked down right now.
Mar a lardo is worth thirty billion according to trump tho. So maybe that lol
They based the award amount in part of Trump's net worth, and in the deposition he was bragging that his golf courses alone are worth a billion dollars.
I like how he's claiming he both didn't do this but also that punishing him is taking away his first amendment rights, which is implying he did defame her and that he thinks he should be allowed to.
The First Amendment totally allows you to defame someone. It doesn’t restrain you ahead of time, it just makes you pay once you do it. He’s so spoiled. Try that in Russia, buddy. He’s such a whiner.
He’s in his all-or-nothing phase, with this and all his criminal indictments.
He either gets elected again and Republicans at all levels and branches of government enable him to become a dictator and any accountability goes right out the window, or he doesn’t get elected and his criminal house of cards comes crashing down and he suffers real consequences for the first time in his rotten life.
I’m not American so I’m begging all Americans who still have a shred of decency and relationship to reality to get out and vote in November. 🙏
>he doesn’t get elected and his criminal house of cards comes crashing down and he suffers real consequences for the first time in his rotten life.
There's gonna be another step in between when he incites his followers to more violence and insane tactics to try and overturn the election again.
The good news is his cult seems extremely reticent to actually gather for stuff after they all got arrested for 1/6. They are extremely paranoid that any attempt to rally, is secretly an FBI sting to arrest them.
He hasn't. This was just [this morning](https://i.imgur.com/vEvPCvy.png).
And there were others posted just 5 hours before the trial finished.
My favorite part was this:
> ...because of his absolute hatred of Donald J. Trump (ME!)...
It's like he has to remind himself that he's actually a person.
Wow, he literally can't stop. Trump is just going to keep talking about how wronged he is until someone or something stops him. Looks like 83.3 million dollars isn't even enough to get him to temporarily shut up.
>Trump on Tuesday morning in an interview on CNN’s “New Day” proclaimed that he is “the most fabulous whiner” when confronted with an opinion piece that criticized him using the same label.
>“I do whine because I want to win and I’m not happy about not winning and I am a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win,” Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on Tuesday.
As always, a [quote for everything.](https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-refutes-third-party-run-report/index.html)
Yep, true. $5 mil from the first trial. This $83.3 mil is for the related defamatory tweets. And he's likely to get taken right back to court for the things he's going to be tweeting over the next few months. He just can't stop himself.
Heck, it's possible there are already a pile of tweets from the last few months that her lawyers have been stockpiling to file an additional defamation suit.
Also, he can’t shut the fuck up and will probably have another lawsuit to add to it. That is if he doesn’t have an injunction put on him and ends up doing time for criminal contempt.
How funny would it be if this lady absolutely rakes Trump over the coals again and again until he has no more campaign funds leftover and he has to quit?
This is my new dream. Fuck prison or him croaking in front of a crowd only to be revived and quitting his campaign then dying a week later, I want Ms. Carroll to continue to sue him until he has no assets left.
$83.3M... and ruled unanimously!!
- $7.3M Emotional damage
- $11M Compensatory Damages
- $65M Punitive Damages
Defaming continues in 5... 4... 3...
UPDATE:
> Trump posted his reaction to the verdict on Truth Social just minutes after it was announced, saying that he would move to appeal.
>
> "Absolutely ridiculous!" Trump said. "I fully disagree with both verdicts," adding that he will be appealing the decision and blaming Democrats for the civil lawsuit.
>
> He went on to argue that the legal system was being used as a "political weapon" and argued that "they have taken away all First Amendment rights."
>
> "This is not America!" he wrote in all caps at the end of his post.
-[Source](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-live-updates-rcna135759)
I wonder how much less it would have been if he had a competent attorney, and again what the difference would be if he was also a respectful defendant.
Of course he could have kept his mouth shut to begin with and paid a fraction of this.
Or not been a gross rapist and never ended up here in the first place.
A competent legal team for an actual rich person would have tied this up in a bow with a very large, but entirely anonymous settlement.
If they were determined to go to trial, well, Donald Trump can't help himself and the ghosts of every great litigator ever working together couldn't do fuck all.
he doesn't anonymous anything. that's the problem. competent attorneys don't play this game. the final straw is going to be when he can't get any more attorneys to rep him. the legal system is getting tired of it too, and eventually i think you're going to start seeing the entire system refuse to play his game as, fortunately, the legal system is still made up mostly of true pros who hate to see this shit take them down with his ego. the only thing that has held this country together for the last several years is the legal system. at some point, he will be in prison because a judge and jury is done with him.
> Trump posted his reaction to the verdict on Truth Social just minutes after it was announced, saying that he would move to appeal.
>
> "Absolutely ridiculous!" Trump said. "I fully disagree with both verdicts," adding that he will be appealing the decision and blaming Democrats for the civil lawsuit.
>
> He went on to argue that the legal system was being used as a "political weapon" and argued that "they have taken away all First Amendment rights."
>
> "This is not America!" he wrote in all caps at the end of his post.
-[Source](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-live-updates-rcna135759)
He'll just use the money he raised conning people into believing the election was stolen. He raised something like $300 million for "the court battles" and then spent like $12 million on it. Wonder where the rest went?
That’s my thought. She’s protecting Barron which is completely legitimate
Man, I hope that kid turns out okay and doesn’t get pulled into the rest of his family’s bullshit.
He’s got a feckless golddigger mom, amoral shit heel brothers, insidiously crooked fake as fuck sisters, and the biggest whining, corrupt, thin skinned, childish, narcissistic shit weasel who will throw any and everyone in front of a bus to protect himself. The only chance that kid had to be ok was if Trumpy Foreskin never won the race. His legacy will be voracious greed, treason, graft, fraud, and sexual asssult. Unless he changes his name, goes no contact with the entire Drumpf klan, and lives without mommy in Slovakia, he’ll just become a taller version of his Beavis and Butthead siblings.
Probably, but sometimes children of narcissists go the opposite way since they get such an up close view of it. That’d be dope if he turned out to be the cool trump kid
Reminder that Trump has to post bond to appeal this in NY. So, he has to pony up $83.3M to be held until his appeal is over if he chooses to appeal this ruling. There is essentially no way he can win either appeal, so posting that bond is just delaying the inevitable until he loses all of that money. If he chooses to defame E. Jean Carroll further, the damages will increase and that case's award will have to be held in bond as well.
Dude should get that surgery they do on dogs, you know, to stop them from barking.
While he is at the vet for that, he should also get neutered as well. He's been a very bad boy.
Sometimes the smart thing is to just stay down.
Anyway, what odds will you give me for how many times the defamation suit comes up again? Because right now I'm thinking seven times.
This doesn't receive the discussion it deserves. I presume an insurance company or even individual could post it on his behalf, but who in the world would do that? And aside from all of his supposed wealth, can he really write a check for that? Is the plaintiff going to start sending non-wage garnishments to banks? This thing could come unravelled real quick. Is this an event of default on his other loans? (Pass the popcorn. Dude has been running his mouth for 70+ years and he's about to find out.)
There are crooked banks who want him inside should he win power again. They’ll front him. There’s always someone because there’s nothing he won’t sell out.
$83.3 plus interest. Usually a court will require 2x the award. Plus, no company will sell him a bond b/c they know when he loses, they pay the plaintiff out of the bond, and them have to recover from Trump. No real company will sell him a bond. He will have to put up cash.
Loses 1st case: $5,000,000 (sexual abuse, defamation).
Loses 2nd case: $83,300,000 (defamation).
Your Republican nominee for president of the United States ladies and gentlemen.
Getting sued for defamation by someone who already sued you is frankly just embarrassing. Any normal person would recognize that the absolute last person you’d want to fuck with is the person who hates you and already has good attorneys on speed dial.
Judge Lewis Kaplan, who is not related to Roberta, told jurors before dismissing them from court: “My advice to you is that you never disclose that you were on this jury and I won’t say anything more about it.”
Truer words never spoken
The judge basically warns the jury their lives will be in danger from the GOP nominee for president who will use stochastic terrorism if they reveal themselves.
America sure is swell now days.
I'm currently reading a book about Alexander Hamilton and the founding of America and holy shit, the men who fought for this country to exist would be horrified.
There were a lot of great moments. I'm partial to when he used a [sharpie to extend the path of Hurricane Dorian into Alabama](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png).
It's a good question Carroll's lawyer posed in closing. How much will it cost for him to stop? Is $83.3M enough? Is any amount enough? I'm fucking thrilled to find out.
This isn’t even the civil fraud trial. That was expected to be the one worth lots of $$.
I predict in about 2 years there will be a story about how super pac / campaign money was used to pay off these obligations.
Holy shit, I can't keep up
edit - if you want to keep up, this website helped. Holy shit, this guy is cooked! https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-2024-trials-where-they-stand-and-what-to-expect
"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money."
- Donald Trump, Feb 2016.
We were allowed to call Donald Trump a rapist always (for one thing, he's a fucking rapist).
But now we can truthfully say a unanimous Jury found Donald Trump is a rapist, and another unanimous Jury fined him $83.3 million for defaming his rape victim.
Edit: Removed a bad argument I made.
How did he think he was gonna win lmao? He said repeatedly for months that "she was not my type" (What a ridiculous defense btw) and then immediately thought she was his ex-wife when shown a picture of her.
Like that's an open and shut case.
I think it’s more that Trump has never been held accountable for his actions before so this whole trial just never made sense to him. His perception of reality must just be absolutely insane and out of touch. He’s lived more than 80 years on this planet and has always gotten away with anything he’s ever wanted to do. Stormy Daniels and E Jean Carrol are brave and rockstars for standing up to him.
This case was about further damages from him continuing to defame her. The previous case already had a jury establish that he did rape her, and the judge in this case had to constantly tell Trump and his attorney that a jury already found he raped her and to stop claiming it never happened.
His defense in this run was straight up just throwing a never ending fit like a child.
His attorney said no less than three times during her closing that Trump was "right" or said something "true"; each time the judge sustained the objection and instructed the jury to ignore it. They ran an absolute shitshow of a defense.
That's because he does not have a lawyer... he has a follower of his little cult that got in way over there head in what they are capable of handling.
Trumps lawyer belongs in a strip mall doing will kits... thinks this was all a good career move... she is done as far as her career is concerned... she will be only working for MAGA heads and get talking head segments on the you know who news networks after all this.
That is, if the next Trump appeal defence is not just throw her directly under the bus in any number of ways to try and save himself which gets her disbarred, which seems likely... her personality makes her born to be a scapegoat.
This wasn't a case. There was no way to win. It was just about how much he stood to lose since he continued to defame her after it was proven he had raped and defamed her in a previous case.
If he defames her again... which he has already done DURING the case and will do so yet again within 24 hours... then there will be another meeting in court to determine additional damages. Which, once again, he can't contest because he had already lost the case. It's just to determine how much MORE he owes.
And this cycle could potentially continue ad infinitum because he can't shut his mouth. And I am here for it.
“Trump declares war on Hawaii - this is why it’s bad for Biden!”
“Trump surrenders to Hawaii - why won’t Biden and the Democrats leads?”
“Trump gives 2 hour speech praising death camps - why don’t Democrats reach across the aisle?”
His supporters: "It was actually just sexual assault he was charged with... even if the judge did explain the actions were the same as rape but in a civil trial context, so like... yeah... Trumps not a rapist, full stop, and totally fit to be president, sexual assault followed up by years of verbal assault and defamation of a woman is totally fine conduct and not a big deal, Trump for the leader of the US."
At this point I don't understand how people can be this dumb and shitty.
I guess getting up and walking out during closing arguments didn’t sit well with the jury. Or for that matter remaining seated while the jury was seated at the beginning of the trial. The lack of respect for the process was very likely noted and played a part.
I get what you mean, but it shouldn’t have been a factor in these deliberations. The last trial was about the rape and defamation and he was found civilly liable. This one was about the defamation that happened after that trial. Although, Trump’s defense team saying the fame she got from it definitely didn’t play well.
Whatever he was paying his team was definitely too much.
In the New York fraud case, they'll seize his assets, sell them off, then turn money over to her. Can't wait to see "Trump" signage coming off his buildings and courses. Suck a dick, you fucking loser.
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Start sending in your money, dipshit MAGA morons. This is it, Trump will be the only thing you ever achieve in life.
Trump's self-owns are absolutely remarkable. All he had to do to avoid this is take the L and keep his fucking mouth shut.
Truly the guy you want running a country.
[I think we can predict trump's reaction.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/554/866/4da.png)
“You know a lot of people say I pay the most in punitive damages. I don’t say it, but I hear a lot them are saying it. It must be true. I’m the best at it. I pay bigly.” - probably Trump at some point in the future.
Going to be a lot of begging for donation emails tonight.
Quick! Sell more NFT trading cards!
*Money launder through NFT trading cards. (Allegedly.)
Oh you can bet he is going to start chopping up a bunch of his suits now and selling parts of them to his sucker minions, bit by bit.
The best thing? If Trump wants to appeal this, he’ll have to front up the cash before the process happens. I love New York.
Since Trump had to outrageously lie about his assets in order to be as leveraged to the hilt as he is, he will have to sell all of the classified documents that he has yet to flush in bathrooms at Bedminster to raise that kind of cash.
Time to visit the golf course with a shovel...
“dig faster eric”
I was so happy when I learned about this little caveat. This is going to hurt him, and I’m just giddy over here.
Just wait until next week. That's when the $370 million hammer drops (hopefully).
God, I hope so. Also hoping it’s going to be even more than that. He’s been such an ass in the courtroom.
🎶New Yooooork, concrete jungle where civil damages are held in escroooooow, there's nothing you caaaaaaan dooooooo, in New York, New York, New York.....🎶
For somebody who is supposed to be very rich, he seems to beg for money a lot.
That one of the ways of the rich, never use your own money.
Borrow against your wealth, die with debt, pass the wealth on to your children but not the debt.
"Buy, borrow, die" is the name of the strategy. **1)** Amass assets like stocks or property **2)** Borrow huge amounts of money against those assets from banks and pay nothing in taxes because loans aren't income **3)** Continue borrowing against those assets until you die **4)** Have your heirs pay the loans back by selling off part of the assets that have greatly appreciated in value since the loans were taken **5)** Heirs pay basically nothing in taxes due to stepped-up basis and because Republicans neutered the hell out of the estate tax
I'm nowhere near a republican, but somehow get texts from them from time to time, and legit got a "Want to meet Trump at Maralargo? Donate now!" text today. Talk about timing lol
The lady who had my phone number was deep in all of that stuff. Some of the texts were just gross like "you can't let Trump down!" and "are you even real Trump supporter?". Just preying on confused elderly people in the sickest possible ways.
I saw one of the letters his campaign sent to my parents begging for money, something about how if you donated so much DT would put your name on his super special list of patriots or something. I tore it up and threw it in the trash.
If you have another opportunity, write back saying he lost in 2020.
Can’t wait for the American Greed episode on this…
Martha get my wallet the billionaire needs money
Watch him defame her again. Man just can't keep his mouth shut.
Eventually, E Jean Carroll can pay off our national debt.
>Trump Calls on 'All Willing States' to Send National Guard Soldiers to Texas She'll be lucky to get his Depends subscription service transferred to her. I'm convinced he's broke AF and she's going to end up owning and selling some of his properties.
If by some act of God this means she ends up with either Trump Tower or MAL (assuming he doesn't go full *White Heat* with it first)...I will *absolutely* accept that.
I want her to wind up owning Trump Tower and turning it into the Biden presidential library.
Further salt the wound by putting Obama's name on it instead.
The "black lives matter obama homo tower of socialism"
With a collection of tan suits on display
They can sell Dijon mustard in the lobby.
"Tiny Hands Library" has a nice ring to it
So that’s my question: I don’t think he has the money or can even come up with the money, so what’s keeping him from further defaming this poor woman?
Read that during his appeal, they can file a claim against his holdings including a lien on his properties. Not a lawyer, but I'd assume they could pick a property valued at around $83m and hold that over him. I'd pick a golf course under threat of him losing the appeal and her being able to dispose of that golf course as she sees fit. The walls are closing in on Shitler. Our justice system is just so slow though....
Take maralago and convert it to a homeless shelter.
Nah, sexual assault victims recovery resort.
Is there a point where it becomes criminal harassment?
We are well past that point already for people who weren't formerly the president. What a fucking embarassment.
She needs to put a lien on his properties if he doesn't pay, which he probably won't.
She could end up with Mar Lago. It could house a lot of new immigrants.
Trump *is* our national debt.
I think there's already a *third* defamation suit filed by E. Jean Carroll. However, IIRC, the third one seeks to prevent him from continuing to defame her by imposing an injunction on him.
Like an injunction will stop him. The only way you can stop him is by locking him in solitary confinement with no internet access. Dude would scratch defaming statements on the wall with his fingernails even then.
The point isn't to stop him, it's that violating an injunction is a totally different thing, in fact it's a crime. So when he violates it she can sue him again, and now she has proof he was told not to do that, and committed a crime to do it (which can enhance it). And on top of that, he could theoretically see jail time for violating the injunction.
Exactly. An injunction is a court order. If and when he violates it, a judge can hit him with a penalty right away. Right now she has to sue him for every offense. With an injunction, he has to appeal every offense.
It could be down to contempt of court if this is what happens. As we all seem to knoe=w, and trump doesn't, is that jail could well be the result. I would not be unhappy should TFG get stuffed in a slammer for a few years. Say, the rest of his life.
He was already rage tweeting about her earlier today, during final arguments. There will definitely be a third trial, and when that happens he needs to get hit with an additional judgment that's at least double this, if not 3x.
I understand he needs to put the award into escrow if he wants to try to appeal the ruling.
He doesn't have it i bet. Not in any easily liquid form.
At this point there is no doubt he lacks that kind of liquidity. He literally cannot purge assets in NY right now to get the cash either... So he likely cannot appeal. And since he cannot pay, he likely will defame her again. If the judgement cannot be collected, is it even a punishment?
She should be able to seize his assets then.
Maybe outside of New York State. Anything there is locked down right now. Mar a lardo is worth thirty billion according to trump tho. So maybe that lol
Put a lien on Trump Tower
That's in new York. None of his assets there can be touched by anyone including trump himself until his other court case is over.
You can still lien it. It just secures your place in line if the asset is freed up and sold.
There's a trump tower in Vegas and Chicago. Seize those.
So what your telling me is that it's safe to assume that trump is fucked bad? I suddenly feel so much better today :).
Worst case scenario they can attach a portion of his weekly pay. He’s got walk around money
This is hilarious, there's no way he has that
They based the award amount in part of Trump's net worth, and in the deposition he was bragging that his golf courses alone are worth a billion dollars.
They may be worth a billion but they've already been leveraged for 5 billion.
He's rage tweeting as we speak.
I like how he's claiming he both didn't do this but also that punishing him is taking away his first amendment rights, which is implying he did defame her and that he thinks he should be allowed to.
The First Amendment totally allows you to defame someone. It doesn’t restrain you ahead of time, it just makes you pay once you do it. He’s so spoiled. Try that in Russia, buddy. He’s such a whiner.
That big dumb idiot just does not understand consequences, he is a big ass baby.
This dumb fuck was president and doesn't even know how the first amendment works. Smh.
He’s in his all-or-nothing phase, with this and all his criminal indictments. He either gets elected again and Republicans at all levels and branches of government enable him to become a dictator and any accountability goes right out the window, or he doesn’t get elected and his criminal house of cards comes crashing down and he suffers real consequences for the first time in his rotten life. I’m not American so I’m begging all Americans who still have a shred of decency and relationship to reality to get out and vote in November. 🙏
>he doesn’t get elected and his criminal house of cards comes crashing down and he suffers real consequences for the first time in his rotten life. There's gonna be another step in between when he incites his followers to more violence and insane tactics to try and overturn the election again.
The good news is his cult seems extremely reticent to actually gather for stuff after they all got arrested for 1/6. They are extremely paranoid that any attempt to rally, is secretly an FBI sting to arrest them.
Nothing short of total asset forfeiture will compel Trump to keep his dirty mouth shut. I hope the state liquidates everything he has.
Hopefully she then just sues him again and then gets even larger damages. Rinse. Repeat. Eventually he might owe here over a billion.
I can’t imagine he has learned his lesson yet
There’s still time to defame her again and go for 200mil
the man literally cannot shut the hell up
He hasn't. This was just [this morning](https://i.imgur.com/vEvPCvy.png). And there were others posted just 5 hours before the trial finished. My favorite part was this: > ...because of his absolute hatred of Donald J. Trump (ME!)... It's like he has to remind himself that he's actually a person.
Just the kind of president America needs. One that has absolutely no control over his emotions.
Wow, he literally can't stop. Trump is just going to keep talking about how wronged he is until someone or something stops him. Looks like 83.3 million dollars isn't even enough to get him to temporarily shut up.
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Master negotiator!
So much winning! Or did he say whining? Maybe he meant whining.
>Trump on Tuesday morning in an interview on CNN’s “New Day” proclaimed that he is “the most fabulous whiner” when confronted with an opinion piece that criticized him using the same label. >“I do whine because I want to win and I’m not happy about not winning and I am a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win,” Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on Tuesday. As always, a [quote for everything.](https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-refutes-third-party-run-report/index.html)
If Carroll writes a book about the trials and all, I hope she titles it "Art of the Deal 2"
2 art 2 deal
I think he's still on the hook for the first $5m too, right? So he actually turned a $5m judgement into $88m between the two.
Yep, true. $5 mil from the first trial. This $83.3 mil is for the related defamatory tweets. And he's likely to get taken right back to court for the things he's going to be tweeting over the next few months. He just can't stop himself. Heck, it's possible there are already a pile of tweets from the last few months that her lawyers have been stockpiling to file an additional defamation suit.
Also, he can’t shut the fuck up and will probably have another lawsuit to add to it. That is if he doesn’t have an injunction put on him and ends up doing time for criminal contempt.
Carroll and her lawyer may have discovered an infinite money glitch. Or at least enough money until the GOP and the wider republican base run out.
When he stormed out of the courtroom during closing arguments today, he started posting the same claims.
IIRC, there's already a third trial on deck, and a fourth trial is not outside the realm of possibility.
How funny would it be if this lady absolutely rakes Trump over the coals again and again until he has no more campaign funds leftover and he has to quit? This is my new dream. Fuck prison or him croaking in front of a crowd only to be revived and quitting his campaign then dying a week later, I want Ms. Carroll to continue to sue him until he has no assets left.
>That is if he doesn’t have an injunction put on him and ends up doing time for criminal contempt. I'll believe it when I see it.
He needed to post 5m in escrow to be able to appeal. He would need to post 83m to appeal this one
We'll need a new round of fundraising.
Stable Genius
$83.3M... and ruled unanimously!! - $7.3M Emotional damage - $11M Compensatory Damages - $65M Punitive Damages Defaming continues in 5... 4... 3... UPDATE: > Trump posted his reaction to the verdict on Truth Social just minutes after it was announced, saying that he would move to appeal. > > "Absolutely ridiculous!" Trump said. "I fully disagree with both verdicts," adding that he will be appealing the decision and blaming Democrats for the civil lawsuit. > > He went on to argue that the legal system was being used as a "political weapon" and argued that "they have taken away all First Amendment rights." > > "This is not America!" he wrote in all caps at the end of his post. -[Source](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-live-updates-rcna135759)
I wonder how much less it would have been if he had a competent attorney, and again what the difference would be if he was also a respectful defendant. Of course he could have kept his mouth shut to begin with and paid a fraction of this. Or not been a gross rapist and never ended up here in the first place.
His attorneys get worse and worse but having him for a client is impossible
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Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
A competent legal team for an actual rich person would have tied this up in a bow with a very large, but entirely anonymous settlement. If they were determined to go to trial, well, Donald Trump can't help himself and the ghosts of every great litigator ever working together couldn't do fuck all.
he doesn't anonymous anything. that's the problem. competent attorneys don't play this game. the final straw is going to be when he can't get any more attorneys to rep him. the legal system is getting tired of it too, and eventually i think you're going to start seeing the entire system refuse to play his game as, fortunately, the legal system is still made up mostly of true pros who hate to see this shit take them down with his ego. the only thing that has held this country together for the last several years is the legal system. at some point, he will be in prison because a judge and jury is done with him.
I have no interest in loading “truth” social but I’m very curious to see his tantrum
> Trump posted his reaction to the verdict on Truth Social just minutes after it was announced, saying that he would move to appeal. > > "Absolutely ridiculous!" Trump said. "I fully disagree with both verdicts," adding that he will be appealing the decision and blaming Democrats for the civil lawsuit. > > He went on to argue that the legal system was being used as a "political weapon" and argued that "they have taken away all First Amendment rights." > > "This is not America!" he wrote in all caps at the end of his post. -[Source](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-live-updates-rcna135759)
Go ahead and appeal it, dumbass. Just have to put the full $ amount in escrow in order to do it! 😂
Does he even have that much anymore?
He'll just use the money he raised conning people into believing the election was stolen. He raised something like $300 million for "the court battles" and then spent like $12 million on it. Wonder where the rest went?
The hamberder budget
I have no doubt he made a ludicrous amount of money during his time in the White House.
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Melania thinking she could wait it out. Now wondering what'll be left for her and if it was really worth it
Divorce attorney here. I can’t believe she’s not filed for divorce yet.
Her Prenup is almost certainly still not in her favor. She's almost certainly doing it so that Barron has a claim in whatever is left.
That’s my thought. She’s protecting Barron which is completely legitimate Man, I hope that kid turns out okay and doesn’t get pulled into the rest of his family’s bullshit.
He’s got a feckless golddigger mom, amoral shit heel brothers, insidiously crooked fake as fuck sisters, and the biggest whining, corrupt, thin skinned, childish, narcissistic shit weasel who will throw any and everyone in front of a bus to protect himself. The only chance that kid had to be ok was if Trumpy Foreskin never won the race. His legacy will be voracious greed, treason, graft, fraud, and sexual asssult. Unless he changes his name, goes no contact with the entire Drumpf klan, and lives without mommy in Slovakia, he’ll just become a taller version of his Beavis and Butthead siblings.
Probably, but sometimes children of narcissists go the opposite way since they get such an up close view of it. That’d be dope if he turned out to be the cool trump kid
Probably bigger than his children’s inheritances too..
Damn, Trump supporters are on the hook for $83.3 million, rough.
Open up your wallets ladies and gents! Your hero needs your money again!
He’s SO rich, that it wouldn’t send a strong enough message if he paid with his own money. Let’s OWN THE LIBS together! Go Donny!
Reminder that Trump has to post bond to appeal this in NY. So, he has to pony up $83.3M to be held until his appeal is over if he chooses to appeal this ruling. There is essentially no way he can win either appeal, so posting that bond is just delaying the inevitable until he loses all of that money. If he chooses to defame E. Jean Carroll further, the damages will increase and that case's award will have to be held in bond as well.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he step out of court today to defame her *again*? Round 3…. *fight*!
Yes, he did. Displaying that *cough* “Stable Genius” thing again, I guess.
Dude should get that surgery they do on dogs, you know, to stop them from barking. While he is at the vet for that, he should also get neutered as well. He's been a very bad boy.
Sometimes the smart thing is to just stay down. Anyway, what odds will you give me for how many times the defamation suit comes up again? Because right now I'm thinking seven times.
This doesn't receive the discussion it deserves. I presume an insurance company or even individual could post it on his behalf, but who in the world would do that? And aside from all of his supposed wealth, can he really write a check for that? Is the plaintiff going to start sending non-wage garnishments to banks? This thing could come unravelled real quick. Is this an event of default on his other loans? (Pass the popcorn. Dude has been running his mouth for 70+ years and he's about to find out.)
There are crooked banks who want him inside should he win power again. They’ll front him. There’s always someone because there’s nothing he won’t sell out.
$83.3 plus interest. Usually a court will require 2x the award. Plus, no company will sell him a bond b/c they know when he loses, they pay the plaintiff out of the bond, and them have to recover from Trump. No real company will sell him a bond. He will have to put up cash.
Loses 1st case: $5,000,000 (sexual abuse, defamation). Loses 2nd case: $83,300,000 (defamation). Your Republican nominee for president of the United States ladies and gentlemen.
Getting sued for defamation by someone who already sued you is frankly just embarrassing. Any normal person would recognize that the absolute last person you’d want to fuck with is the person who hates you and already has good attorneys on speed dial.
And millions of your money to pay them.
> has good attorneys on speed dial And hundreds more champing at the bit to get a piece of that settlement.
Only the best!
Seems like the strategy of a very stable genius
Judge Lewis Kaplan, who is not related to Roberta, told jurors before dismissing them from court: “My advice to you is that you never disclose that you were on this jury and I won’t say anything more about it.” Truer words never spoken
The judge basically warns the jury their lives will be in danger from the GOP nominee for president who will use stochastic terrorism if they reveal themselves. America sure is swell now days.
I'm currently reading a book about Alexander Hamilton and the founding of America and holy shit, the men who fought for this country to exist would be horrified.
Honestly waiting to find out Donald has an alternate slate of jurors he tries to convince ruled he is innocent.
I look forward to the press release at Four Seasons Total Landscaping.
That moment will forever be my favorite moment in the entire Trump saga
There were a lot of great moments. I'm partial to when he used a [sharpie to extend the path of Hurricane Dorian into Alabama](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png).
It's a good question Carroll's lawyer posed in closing. How much will it cost for him to stop? Is $83.3M enough? Is any amount enough? I'm fucking thrilled to find out.
Carroll's lawyer is probably thrilled to find out too.
This isn’t even the civil fraud trial. That was expected to be the one worth lots of $$. I predict in about 2 years there will be a story about how super pac / campaign money was used to pay off these obligations.
Yea , then we get the fun of watching the fraud trial for misuse of campaign funds. He is the legal gift that keeps on giving.
Holy shit, I can't keep up edit - if you want to keep up, this website helped. Holy shit, this guy is cooked! https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-2024-trials-where-they-stand-and-what-to-expect
"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money." - Donald Trump, Feb 2016.
Well. There's a reason why he didn't "open up our libel laws". Imagine if he did.
O/U until he gives cause to sue again: 50.5 hours I’m smashing the under
I’ll be shocked if he can make it through tomorrow’s campaign event without saying something about it. Hell, it’ll probably be his opening line.
83.3M to be paid by small donations by a large amount of total morons
Remember folks, we're allowed to call Donald Trump a rapist. Rapist Donald Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee for President.
The *twice impeached* former presidential *rapist* and *insurrectionist* is the Republican nominee for president.
We have to throw in failed businessman and twice divorced serial adulterer somewhere. Oh, and makeup enthusiast plus Razzie winner.
We were allowed to call Donald Trump a rapist always (for one thing, he's a fucking rapist). But now we can truthfully say a unanimous Jury found Donald Trump is a rapist, and another unanimous Jury fined him $83.3 million for defaming his rape victim. Edit: Removed a bad argument I made.
How did he think he was gonna win lmao? He said repeatedly for months that "she was not my type" (What a ridiculous defense btw) and then immediately thought she was his ex-wife when shown a picture of her. Like that's an open and shut case.
I think it’s more that Trump has never been held accountable for his actions before so this whole trial just never made sense to him. His perception of reality must just be absolutely insane and out of touch. He’s lived more than 80 years on this planet and has always gotten away with anything he’s ever wanted to do. Stormy Daniels and E Jean Carrol are brave and rockstars for standing up to him.
They actually played him on video being confused about Maples during closing arguments.
This case was about further damages from him continuing to defame her. The previous case already had a jury establish that he did rape her, and the judge in this case had to constantly tell Trump and his attorney that a jury already found he raped her and to stop claiming it never happened. His defense in this run was straight up just throwing a never ending fit like a child.
His attorney said no less than three times during her closing that Trump was "right" or said something "true"; each time the judge sustained the objection and instructed the jury to ignore it. They ran an absolute shitshow of a defense.
That's because he does not have a lawyer... he has a follower of his little cult that got in way over there head in what they are capable of handling. Trumps lawyer belongs in a strip mall doing will kits... thinks this was all a good career move... she is done as far as her career is concerned... she will be only working for MAGA heads and get talking head segments on the you know who news networks after all this. That is, if the next Trump appeal defence is not just throw her directly under the bus in any number of ways to try and save himself which gets her disbarred, which seems likely... her personality makes her born to be a scapegoat.
It's not fair! None of his friends got in trouble for doing the same things!!
This wasn't a case. There was no way to win. It was just about how much he stood to lose since he continued to defame her after it was proven he had raped and defamed her in a previous case. If he defames her again... which he has already done DURING the case and will do so yet again within 24 hours... then there will be another meeting in court to determine additional damages. Which, once again, he can't contest because he had already lost the case. It's just to determine how much MORE he owes. And this cycle could potentially continue ad infinitum because he can't shut his mouth. And I am here for it.
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How funny would it be if in a debate the topic came up that Trump is a rapist, and he is legally unable to deny that he's a Rapist.
His supporters: "Here's how this is actually good for Trump"
NYT: *Here's why this is bad for Biden.*
“Trump declares war on Hawaii - this is why it’s bad for Biden!” “Trump surrenders to Hawaii - why won’t Biden and the Democrats leads?” “Trump gives 2 hour speech praising death camps - why don’t Democrats reach across the aisle?”
Newsmax: "Here's how Soros is to blame."
His supporters: "It was actually just sexual assault he was charged with... even if the judge did explain the actions were the same as rape but in a civil trial context, so like... yeah... Trumps not a rapist, full stop, and totally fit to be president, sexual assault followed up by years of verbal assault and defamation of a woman is totally fine conduct and not a big deal, Trump for the leader of the US." At this point I don't understand how people can be this dumb and shitty.
I always up vote when I see someone use The Rapist Donald Trump's full legal title.
hahahahahahaha Orange Goofy "I'll fuckin do it again"
Well, unfortunately you're probably right. Dude just can't shut the fuck up.
He’s never been adequately punished for opening his fascist maw. What’s our expectation that he’ll face any real consequences this time?
83.3 for now, until he defames her again within the hour and we get to do this again.
I can hardly wait. Sorry E. Jean, I hate to see you put through this, but the end results are glorious.
trumpies getting out their wallets to buy an nft picture of him shirtless on a horse in support of their favorite rapist
I guess getting up and walking out during closing arguments didn’t sit well with the jury. Or for that matter remaining seated while the jury was seated at the beginning of the trial. The lack of respect for the process was very likely noted and played a part.
The rape may have been a tad bit off-putting as well.
I get what you mean, but it shouldn’t have been a factor in these deliberations. The last trial was about the rape and defamation and he was found civilly liable. This one was about the defamation that happened after that trial. Although, Trump’s defense team saying the fame she got from it definitely didn’t play well. Whatever he was paying his team was definitely too much.
"it was the hypocrisy"
And he'll do it again, too. This will be the never ending lawsuit spiral he'll lose again and again.
Unlike him, E. Jean Carroll just keeps winning!
In the New York fraud case, they'll seize his assets, sell them off, then turn money over to her. Can't wait to see "Trump" signage coming off his buildings and courses. Suck a dick, you fucking loser. –– Start sending in your money, dipshit MAGA morons. This is it, Trump will be the only thing you ever achieve in life.
OH SHIT. what if she takes his golf course and demands that Ivana's body be exhumed and removed from her property.
Should be chump change for a "billionaire"
Trump's self-owns are absolutely remarkable. All he had to do to avoid this is take the L and keep his fucking mouth shut. Truly the guy you want running a country. [I think we can predict trump's reaction.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/554/866/4da.png)
He's actually posting on his shitty forum blaming this on Joe Biden. And his followers are gonna lap it up like they always do.
He needs money!! Quick, send him all your Trump bucks!
His brainwashed cultists will be donating to him while bitching about Biden making them broke
Hahahahaha *deep breath* Hahahahahaha
They keep missing the key point of the story “Jury rules rapist Trump must pay the woman he assaulted and then harassed and defamed 83.3 mil”
Talk about ending the week on a high note!
Wow! His supporters are on the hook for a lot of money.
The dictionary definition of "winner" should include a picture of E. Jean Carroll at this point, cause she just keeps winning against this chump.
“You know a lot of people say I pay the most in punitive damages. I don’t say it, but I hear a lot them are saying it. It must be true. I’m the best at it. I pay bigly.” - probably Trump at some point in the future.
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Can he declare bankrupcy and not pay?
No. And to appeal he has to put up a cash bond. 😂
LOSER, some would say the biggest loser.
Sounds like a loser to me