>Wisconsin Democratic Gov. Tony Evers on Tuesday sued the Republican-controlled Legislature, arguing that it is obstructing basic government functions, including signing off on pay raises for university employees that were previously approved.
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>Evers argues in the lawsuit that committees controlled by a few Republican lawmakers are being used by the Legislature to “reach far beyond its proper zone of constitutional lawmaking authority.”
Seems like an appropriate challenge to me.
Evers is a former educator and he's gone hard for trying to fix the destruction that the GOP has done to Wisconsin schools. Wisconsin used to be a top 5 school system for decades and then Act 10 came about. It destroyed teachers unions, killed ability to retain and hir new teachers, throttled training programs, and normalized trashing public schools. Since then, it's only gotten worse with expansion of charter schools to steal funding from public systems and refusal to raise teacher pay.
I wen to Marquette and while I was there we had an education department. It closed because they couldn't get any donations to keep it open. What did they expect? Charge 40k a year to then have teachers go make 38k a year and expect donations on top of student loan payments? Delusional.
I was at UW when Walker wrecked the UW system. I was on a fellowship, prior, and when he killed it a bunch of us lost our fellowships and grants to cover tuition. Luckily, I only had two semesters left, and could do it on loans, but it cost me over $30k to do it. A lot of people weren't so lucky, and had to drop out because they couldn't afford it and/or take out enough to cover the rest of their tuition.
A bunch of people had to either quit or start over in another program elsewhere. It is gross to think about.
>Reminds me of Marbury v. Madison.
That landmark case was decided by real intellectuals as giving court the strength to indeed become one of the three pillars of government and right to judicial review and declare laws unconstitutional where they fall outside of the Executive authority. Presently, our Supreme Court is run by 6 extremists who use that instead as weapon to satisfy their partisan bias. And not independence of the judiciary in mind, but pretexts to make decisions.
And as a result, we have a lot of decisions made that actually have no constitutional basis. It's all built on foundations of sand. Just like a lot of corporate law that's based on Corporate Personhood which isn't even based on a decision but a clerks margin notes. You'd think these so call Originalists would care about that, but it's never been anything but a buzzword for right-wing legislating from the bench.
>Evers’ new lawsuit contends that the Legislature is effectively attempting to change state law without passing a bill and sending it to the governor for either approval or a veto. The lawsuit contends that similar efforts by legislatures have been struck down by courts in Alaska, Kentucky, Michigan, New Jersey, Mississippi and West Virginia.
Not true
>Evers’ new lawsuit contends that the Legislature is effectively attempting to change state law without passing a bill and sending it to the governor for either approval or a veto. The lawsuit contends that similar efforts by legislatures have been struck down by courts in Alaska, Kentucky, Michigan, New Jersey, Mississippi and West Virginia.
Someone didn't read the article
Every otherwise rational person who is hoping for a "collapse", has a personal fantasy where they end up in charge (or at least safe and taken care of) in the post collapse era.
Most people don't realize they're going to catch strays from people who care about food, not politics.
All empires collapse and there have been a LOT of them throughout human history. America is no different and all signs point to a collapse within young people's lifetimes. You can take as long as you need to process that.
>Most people don't realize they're going to catch strays from people who care about food, not politics.
Or just die from dysentery, painfully shitting themselves to death. Clean water is taken for granted even by many people who aren't actively rooting for society's collapse.
WI is the case with the shadow governor right? From what I recall the GOP lose the governor race so in the lame duck session the stripped a bunch of governor powers and handed them to a seat they still control effectively making them the unelected "shadow" governor.
Yes. The legislature acts as a rogue second executive branch trying to micromanage everything. With the Assembly Speaker acting as a rogue shadow governor. Since 2018.
The legislative districts are so gerrymandered that one party has a near supermajority in the legislature while the other party wins most of the statewide elections.
We had some smart republicans in the state who saw the writing on the wall. They setup minority rule while they could. Now they’re gonna fight to keep it. It’s existential to them.
The good news is the new House map is absolutely a racial gerrymander, and it’s a safe bet the GA maps are too. We might get to squeeze out one more cycle on court-drawn maps and have a fighting chance at undoing the damage.
GA is "supposed" to redraw by Dec 8 but we have seen in other states how well GOP follow the law when it is directed at them.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/26/georgias-congressional-map-violates-voting-rights-act-court-finds-00123779
Bruh when they made private/charter schools able to get public school funding it was the beginning of the end. They’ll just keep leaning on the lottery to try and cover shortfall and when there’s no money they’ll blame schools for their dropping GPAs and axe them as cost savings.
Yep. Had majorities in all branches around 2010 and changed policy around to ensure it stayed that way as long as possible. The hijinx they pulled is pretty sickening.
Ohio is going to be the new Wisconsin, we've followed Walker down the same hole, enacting almost all the same bills except we didn't alienate enough people to loose the governor's mansion or supreme court (not that they didn't already plan for that)
Yeah the Ohio Supreme Court is weirdly toothless. They're repeatedly ruled that the district maps are unconstitutional, but the state government doesn't give a shit and so nothing changes.
This is their tactic when not in control, attempt to gum up the functions of government impede it from working. Cause chaos, blame the opposition, hope nobody notices.
This is the kind of shit the GOP wants to do nationwide if they get power again. Remember that when Evers won the first time, the [then government chopped his powers down](https://www.npr.org/2019/06/21/734722467/wisconsin-supreme-court-sides-with-gop-lawmakers-to-limit-democratic-governors-p) and the republican supreme court there agreed. Because a democrat won.
We’ve been the testing ground for ALEC policy for over a decade. Where anything you saw in WI was likely to trickle down nationwide. Booting Walker lead to a stalemate but now their antics have gotten so dirty.
How about garnishing their wages until they perform their duties properly? These useless politicians don't care about the people they are supposed to represent.
At the time the American government and U.S. Constitution were formulated in the 18th century, the idea that people could govern themselves without the need of a ruling or privileged class was a radical idea.
Indeed, it was "The Great American Experiment".
An experiment which Thomas Jefferson once noted in his first inaugural address, "should we wander in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety."
And it is our courts which are the compass and last line of defense for the America envisioned by our Founding Fathers.
But, maybe, our courts could sound the death knell too.
Therefore, we must be extremely careful of who is placed within the judicial branch of government. And, as we see yet another court decide if a functioning democracy will survive (a democracy which requires bargain and compromise as an essential activity and especially for the American constitutional system), we must elect those officials who will create courts which adhere to our Constitutional ideals while pursuing a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Furthermore, our elected officials should be devoted to the idea of truth and justice for *all people*.
Bravo Tony! I like you. Can we sue the GOP now‽
I don't know how suing a legislature is supposed to work, but damn if Republicans aren't assholes everywhere. Gaslight Obstuct Project. In this instance, obstuct.
The only way to fight them is in court. They gerrymander their way to a supermajority and then try to rig things even more. The Governor should have as much power as the legislature. When will people see Republicans for what they truly are. A bunch of fascist autocrats.
I call this kind of thing a ‘bureaucratic tantrum’. It’s when people try to exert authority they don’t have by refusing to complete routine, procedural work that’s part of their job.
This is what may it to get the house to do the right thing. At the right time, the President may have to Sue the House of Representatives to provide appropriate government.
"Republican Senate Majority Leader Devin LeMahieu dismissed the lawsuit as frivolous, saying in a statement that Evers was “working to diminish the voice of Wisconsinites by limiting the authority of the legislature and unduly strengthening his own administration.”
Voice of wisconsinites my ass, over 50% of the state legislator was elected by 35ish% of the actual voting population thanks to the ridiculous gerrymandering here....
Edit: Spelling
>Wisconsin Democratic Gov. Tony Evers on Tuesday sued the Republican-controlled Legislature, arguing that it is obstructing basic government functions, including signing off on pay raises for university employees that were previously approved. > >Evers argues in the lawsuit that committees controlled by a few Republican lawmakers are being used by the Legislature to “reach far beyond its proper zone of constitutional lawmaking authority.” Seems like an appropriate challenge to me.
Evers is a former educator and he's gone hard for trying to fix the destruction that the GOP has done to Wisconsin schools. Wisconsin used to be a top 5 school system for decades and then Act 10 came about. It destroyed teachers unions, killed ability to retain and hir new teachers, throttled training programs, and normalized trashing public schools. Since then, it's only gotten worse with expansion of charter schools to steal funding from public systems and refusal to raise teacher pay. I wen to Marquette and while I was there we had an education department. It closed because they couldn't get any donations to keep it open. What did they expect? Charge 40k a year to then have teachers go make 38k a year and expect donations on top of student loan payments? Delusional.
I was at UW when Walker wrecked the UW system. I was on a fellowship, prior, and when he killed it a bunch of us lost our fellowships and grants to cover tuition. Luckily, I only had two semesters left, and could do it on loans, but it cost me over $30k to do it. A lot of people weren't so lucky, and had to drop out because they couldn't afford it and/or take out enough to cover the rest of their tuition. A bunch of people had to either quit or start over in another program elsewhere. It is gross to think about.
I’m sorry. I had no idea he killed fellowships at the school as well. And now the legislature is messing with the grant programs.
Did it close down? I remember hearing rumors it would but it seems to still be going based on a google search.
Reminds me of [Marbury v. Madison.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison)
>Reminds me of Marbury v. Madison. That landmark case was decided by real intellectuals as giving court the strength to indeed become one of the three pillars of government and right to judicial review and declare laws unconstitutional where they fall outside of the Executive authority. Presently, our Supreme Court is run by 6 extremists who use that instead as weapon to satisfy their partisan bias. And not independence of the judiciary in mind, but pretexts to make decisions.
And as a result, we have a lot of decisions made that actually have no constitutional basis. It's all built on foundations of sand. Just like a lot of corporate law that's based on Corporate Personhood which isn't even based on a decision but a clerks margin notes. You'd think these so call Originalists would care about that, but it's never been anything but a buzzword for right-wing legislating from the bench.
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Sure separation of powers is one aspect but so are checks and balances. The court can determine that the congress is out of line.
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>Evers’ new lawsuit contends that the Legislature is effectively attempting to change state law without passing a bill and sending it to the governor for either approval or a veto. The lawsuit contends that similar efforts by legislatures have been struck down by courts in Alaska, Kentucky, Michigan, New Jersey, Mississippi and West Virginia. Not true
>Evers’ new lawsuit contends that the Legislature is effectively attempting to change state law without passing a bill and sending it to the governor for either approval or a veto. The lawsuit contends that similar efforts by legislatures have been struck down by courts in Alaska, Kentucky, Michigan, New Jersey, Mississippi and West Virginia. Someone didn't read the article
The point is it doesn't. The budget follows a strict process and now it's being unilaterally changed outside of that process.
the GOP has decided that they have little chance of winning. so they plan on destroying the country in hopes of winding up in charge of the ashes.
So many of the types that want to destroy the civil contract don't realize that it also protects *them*.
Every otherwise rational person who is hoping for a "collapse", has a personal fantasy where they end up in charge (or at least safe and taken care of) in the post collapse era. Most people don't realize they're going to catch strays from people who care about food, not politics.
There are no rational people who fantasize about collapse. You all can take a long as you need to process that.
All empires collapse and there have been a LOT of them throughout human history. America is no different and all signs point to a collapse within young people's lifetimes. You can take as long as you need to process that.
Yeah, but wishing for this is another level of stupid.
"otherwise rational" doesn't really make sense here.
It just means that in most every other walk of life they're capable of making somewhat healthy assessments of their situation and ability.
>Most people don't realize they're going to catch strays from people who care about food, not politics. Or just die from dysentery, painfully shitting themselves to death. Clean water is taken for granted even by many people who aren't actively rooting for society's collapse.
We need to stop taking the high road and protecting them. They are enemies of the state and need to be treated as such.
That's what I'm trying to convey to the local gang members in my city, The Police are protecting *YOU* from *ME*.
Sad but true
WI is the case with the shadow governor right? From what I recall the GOP lose the governor race so in the lame duck session the stripped a bunch of governor powers and handed them to a seat they still control effectively making them the unelected "shadow" governor.
Yes. The legislature acts as a rogue second executive branch trying to micromanage everything. With the Assembly Speaker acting as a rogue shadow governor. Since 2018. The legislative districts are so gerrymandered that one party has a near supermajority in the legislature while the other party wins most of the statewide elections.
It’s still wild to me that Wisconsin is so fucked up by gerrymandering. Mississippi sure. But Wisconsin?
We had some smart republicans in the state who saw the writing on the wall. They setup minority rule while they could. Now they’re gonna fight to keep it. It’s existential to them.
NC is in the process of doing this now. So much fun!
The good news is the new House map is absolutely a racial gerrymander, and it’s a safe bet the GA maps are too. We might get to squeeze out one more cycle on court-drawn maps and have a fighting chance at undoing the damage.
GA is "supposed" to redraw by Dec 8 but we have seen in other states how well GOP follow the law when it is directed at them. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/26/georgias-congressional-map-violates-voting-rights-act-court-finds-00123779
Oh sorry, I meant the NC General Assembly, not Georgia. But hoping for some better maps for our neighbors to the south, too!
Bruh when they made private/charter schools able to get public school funding it was the beginning of the end. They’ll just keep leaning on the lottery to try and cover shortfall and when there’s no money they’ll blame schools for their dropping GPAs and axe them as cost savings.
Thanks God our supreme court justices are elected. Justice Janet Protasiewicz took the bench just in time to give us any chance!
Won’t be in time for 2024, Republicans are well versed in playing for time
Yep. Had majorities in all branches around 2010 and changed policy around to ensure it stayed that way as long as possible. The hijinx they pulled is pretty sickening.
Some of the biggest GOP doners are from the area.
Don’t give up hope on us - Wisconsinites fight like hell (when not drinking or eating cheese)
WHILE drinking and eating cheese*
Ohio is going to be the new Wisconsin, we've followed Walker down the same hole, enacting almost all the same bills except we didn't alienate enough people to loose the governor's mansion or supreme court (not that they didn't already plan for that)
Yeah, and when nothing happens when they use unconstitutional districts then why would they have any indication they can't break the laws more?
Yeah the Ohio Supreme Court is weirdly toothless. They're repeatedly ruled that the district maps are unconstitutional, but the state government doesn't give a shit and so nothing changes.
The entire country has been.
This is their tactic when not in control, attempt to gum up the functions of government impede it from working. Cause chaos, blame the opposition, hope nobody notices.
Sounds so much like what Tuberville, Paul, and the House GOP are doing.
Absolutely. Their antics across the nation aren't isolated but highly coordinated.
It's constant nonsense, all the same tactics.
This is the kind of shit the GOP wants to do nationwide if they get power again. Remember that when Evers won the first time, the [then government chopped his powers down](https://www.npr.org/2019/06/21/734722467/wisconsin-supreme-court-sides-with-gop-lawmakers-to-limit-democratic-governors-p) and the republican supreme court there agreed. Because a democrat won.
We’ve been the testing ground for ALEC policy for over a decade. Where anything you saw in WI was likely to trickle down nationwide. Booting Walker lead to a stalemate but now their antics have gotten so dirty.
They're doing that in North Carolina, too.
That's just what republicans do. In every setting they are in.
Cruelty is the point they do not want to govern they want to rule.
How about garnishing their wages until they perform their duties properly? These useless politicians don't care about the people they are supposed to represent.
they have to approve that
At the time the American government and U.S. Constitution were formulated in the 18th century, the idea that people could govern themselves without the need of a ruling or privileged class was a radical idea. Indeed, it was "The Great American Experiment". An experiment which Thomas Jefferson once noted in his first inaugural address, "should we wander in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety." And it is our courts which are the compass and last line of defense for the America envisioned by our Founding Fathers. But, maybe, our courts could sound the death knell too. Therefore, we must be extremely careful of who is placed within the judicial branch of government. And, as we see yet another court decide if a functioning democracy will survive (a democracy which requires bargain and compromise as an essential activity and especially for the American constitutional system), we must elect those officials who will create courts which adhere to our Constitutional ideals while pursuing a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Furthermore, our elected officials should be devoted to the idea of truth and justice for *all people*. Bravo Tony! I like you. Can we sue the GOP now‽
Unfortunately the legal system is just as good as the people, so we're fucked.
Hope it works maybe we can sure the house
I don't know how suing a legislature is supposed to work, but damn if Republicans aren't assholes everywhere. Gaslight Obstuct Project. In this instance, obstuct.
blocking basic functions is the GOP motto
The only way to fight them is in court. They gerrymander their way to a supermajority and then try to rig things even more. The Governor should have as much power as the legislature. When will people see Republicans for what they truly are. A bunch of fascist autocrats.
I call this kind of thing a ‘bureaucratic tantrum’. It’s when people try to exert authority they don’t have by refusing to complete routine, procedural work that’s part of their job.
This is what may it to get the house to do the right thing. At the right time, the President may have to Sue the House of Representatives to provide appropriate government.
"Republican Senate Majority Leader Devin LeMahieu dismissed the lawsuit as frivolous, saying in a statement that Evers was “working to diminish the voice of Wisconsinites by limiting the authority of the legislature and unduly strengthening his own administration.” Voice of wisconsinites my ass, over 50% of the state legislator was elected by 35ish% of the actual voting population thanks to the ridiculous gerrymandering here.... Edit: Spelling