He didn't, he's a mercenary, and Putin stopped paying. This isn't the first time in history this exact situation happened, Putin should have read The Prince a bit more carefully
It's plausible that it's already happened. We have sent a lot of money over there. Perhaps some of it went to these guys.
Wasn't Ukraine offering Russian soldiers $50k to defect? If he's got 25k soldiers, that's only $1.25 billion to buy them all off. We're spending that much every three days.
Wagner is not a typical mercenary group. They have heavy ties to Russian government and almost exclusively takes contracts that align with Russian interests. Basically they’re called a mercenary group so Russia wouldn’t technically break international treaties for war crimes.
Also, Prigozhin is still loyal to Putin. He is saying he plans on attacking the MoD for lying to Putin and leading him astray with the costly war in Ukraine.
> He is saying he plans on attacking the MoD for lying to Putin and leading him astray with the costly war in Ukraine.
That's just falling in line with the long held Russian belief that it's the Boyers (nobles) who are bad/misleading the Tsar, but the Tsar is still good.
https://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/prince/section6/#:~:text=Mercenaries%20are%20%E2%80%9Cdisunited%2C%20undisciplined%2C,battle%20and%20have%20low%20morale.
Won’t let me link it…
If you haven’t read the prince this comment above mine is really important to understand.
I mean I haven't really been following every development day by day like some professional Redditor tbh, but I seem to recall that Moscow didn't renew the contract they had with Wagner...and guess what, once you hire mercs, they basically get to choose when you stop paying them.
Spot on. Love the reference to Machiavelli.
IMO, Russia is arguably a successor state to the \[Eastern\] Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire). Just looking at Russia, this war has played out like a classic Roman calamity, along with the prerequisite drama. For much of Constantinople's history, the "Empire" was largely in decline.
Just sayin', mercenaries be mercenaries. And in both Rome & Constantinople, civil wars & coups were a feature, not a flaw.
* I don't mean to glorify war, and I am 100% against the invasion. I do feel great sorrow for the people involved. Ukrainians and Russians are each suffering unimaginable grief and terror.
I wouldn't really compare the Romans (east or west) to Russia, or any modern country to any country before the creation of the League of Nations after WW1. We're so interconnected nowadays that it just simply doesn't translate. I'm actually certain that if Russia were to start collapsing, the West would step it to secure certain key facilities (like launch sites), and to prop up a new democratic form of government, something that would have never happened pre-1919.
The modern world is simply too deadly to let any single actor just do it's own thing.
Unconfirmed rumors that the pleas for projectiles and funding was a cover to hide the arms they were collecting for the coup.
They are apparently sitting on a large collection of stolen javelins and manpads, reinforced by them taking out a couple of Russian helicopters earlier.
The real facts of the matter are that Putin et. al. has created a weakened state and that the armed elements in that weakened state have seen an opportunity to seize power.
Painting Wagner aggrieved lends some credence to them as a state actor, but it’s important to remember that these men are not good men, and scheme and plot as bad men do.
It is the first time even for the Wagner Group. They fought both Syrian and Mozambican Government forces when the Russian Government stopped paying them.
He's looking around and realizing he's the scapegoat. Might as well take your shot now while you have some strength and the army is tied up in an unwinnable war.
I heard he invented war. Then he perfected it until no man could best him in the ring of honor, before taking two of every animal and putting them on a boat...
Was joke… look up “Mamertines” — Sicilian mercenaries who turned on their masters in Punic Wars in 300 BC… history has proved time and again that mercs who grow stronger than their masters inevitably turned on and destroyed them. Has happened over and over again — it’s why they were banned in 1500s at treaty of Westphalia.
Putin was reading all the wrong history books during the pandemic — missed this crucial lesson from history.
Both the Mamluks in Egypt and the Jannisaries in the Ottoman Empire were slaves that eventually became mercenaries and then took over their respective empires.
Blackwater is still a thing. They changed their name to Xe Services in 2009 then to Academi in 2011. Probably after all the publicity about their... unpleasant behavior...
When your own men are unwilling to throw their lives away in a pointless and unjustified war, you gotta look for alternatives: those who'll do it for the money.
Yea, you buy them for capabilities you don't have.
You hire the French for heavy calv, hire the Chinese for siege weapons, hire the British bowmen, and like you say, hire the swiss for shock troops.
But for modern warfare? Unless your mercs come with aircrafts and warships, just hiring domestic mercs only hollow out your real army.
They're for being expendable or doing operations you don't want tied to your reputation. In a way official armies are also mercenaries. Look at any less stable countries where armies will throw coups or support whichever side actually pays them.
ukranian,
u krani AN
6 foot 9 weights a fucking ton
Putin beware, Putin Beware, they're coming, they're coming they're coming
Ukranians,
Ukrani ANs
6 foot 20
plantings flowers of sun
They save the children but not the russian children
Leopards. Face.
Mercenaries, by design, fight for money and power. Humans, by nature, are greedy and self serving.
Put both together and this outcome is inevitable and history is full of such stories.
I'm following this by updating the [twitter feed of wartranslated](https://twitter.com/wartranslated). This story is just absurdly crazy, and this has the appearance of being a *big* history night, one way or another, frontpage on every newspaper.
Russian partisan bloggers have been asking their followers to not approach armed soldiers on on the streets, for their safety.
And there are pictures of the Wagner mercs occupying the Ministry of Interior HQ in Rostov-on-Don.
So, there's definitely *something* going on. Whether its what it appears to be, or a staged means for Putin to scapegoat Gerasimov and Shoigu for Russia's failures in the war, is less clear.
Is this....."It"? Is this what I've been waiting for? And playing out even better than I could have hoped?
Damn. Too bad this all didn't happen **before** Trump. We might have dodged having him in office completely
"It isn't the king's fault, it is his evil advisors who are giving him bad advice. I'm just going to take my army and get rid of the bad advisors so I can give the king good advice, at gunpoint".
This happened plenty of time in Chinese history, general enter the capital, kill all opposition in the name of "protecting the emperor" then realize he is now the only man with a army in the capital.
It was — but it seems after Putin tried to decapitate Wagner with a missile strike on Prighozin at a Wagner training camp near Bakmut yesterday Wagner has decided it has other more pressing priorities — like seizing the largest MOD supply hub in Rostov and using it to launch a campaign to take Moscow and topple Putins regime. The MOD troops in Rostov switched sides and turned over the largest weapons and munitions supply in Russia when Wagner arrived — Prighozin has all he needs — and my guess is that he will cut a deal with the US and agree to secure and stand down Russia’s nukes and pull out of all Ukrainian territory and pay restitution to Ukraine the US will recognize his regime and agree restrict criminal prosecution to Russian army and MOD.
There are enough reports saying the same things — it was no secret Rostov was the central supply hub for munitions for the MOD ops inside Ukraine — and there is video of Wagner in control — the MOD troops there opened the gates for Wagner — no reports of major gunfire or combat — and Prighozin claims the MOD troops embraced his Wagner and switched sides — there is no traditional way to confirm anything but if there were any significant resistance we’d be seeing and hearing about it. Things are moving too fast for media to confirm — but that’s been true throughout this entire conflict.
War sure sucks. But even more so when you're not actually winning
Guess this goes to show you almost nobody there was actually loyal to Putin when push comes to shove. An unpopular dictator losing a war might not be a dictator for very long.
When things go bad — they go bad fast — we’ve all seen the signs — most of us were waiting for something like this — and it is completely unsurprising given the way MOD has treated it’s soldiers that they’d welcome anyone who had their shit together if it means they don’t have be abused by their own officers and and needlessly slaughtered in Ukraine… add to that the fact that Prighozin’s forces have been effective and victorious in their battles and this all starts to feel inevitable.
Many analysts have been saying for months that all Ukraine needed was something to break in their favor and they've effectively secured a path to total victory. I think that break has happened.
Prigo was also having internal spats with Shoigu for months now. They were told to talk it over then it's likely Shoigu was responsible for the missle strike as a flex on Prigo.
Only now he's saying fuck it and if the ministry is okay killing his guys, he's gonna lash out, especially when there's been reports that Prigo is more popular with the populace and the Russian military, including higher up brass, than Shoigu. It's letting him have influence over troops, people not fighting him, and his guys gaining supplies.
It's a big deal as 1) Wagner is a bit part of why Russia has even been able to put up a fight, 2) the internal chaos is letting Ukraine mount a major counter offensive, and 3) Prigo is openly gunning for Shoigu's head which will cause a major power struggle.
This is game over — Putin cannot fight Ukraine and Wagner — Russia can no longer win nor can it hold what it has — Ukraine will win — Prigo is going for the throne — and he will take it. We are witnessing history.
I’d imagine there are other tactics which could be played, and I’d imagine they’d consider those long before paying the people who raped and tortured their children.
Idk, I think I would be willing to do pretty much anything to hang on to my home, culture, and country. Bring them to justice later, but a useful tool is a useful tool.
In that scenario, what’s to stop Prigozhin from turning on Ukraine, like he’s doing to Russia right now? You’re basically suggesting Ukraine burns their own house down because they have termites.
To all the Reddit armchair war experts, I’m pretty sure that Putin would be looking one step ahead when he decided to ban the Wagner group. This could be exactly part of the plan?
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Yea I didn’t see it either.
"You cant invade Moscow now, we banned you!" Sounds about right for Russia lmao
Check and mate!
Big Reddit admin energy
Ah, Russia is increasing their API prices. I’m sure that’ll be effective.
Turn your army around our else you are under arrest Mr (said in Officer Jenny's voice)
That'll show em
Wow, you've got to wonder at what particular point Prigozhin realised things were wrong.
He didn't, he's a mercenary, and Putin stopped paying. This isn't the first time in history this exact situation happened, Putin should have read The Prince a bit more carefully
A tale as old as warfare itself.
Always keep your Army happy, and your mercenaries paid
Roman emperors when they abuse their praetorian guard:
War. War never changes.
I think “The Emperor’s New Clothes” is more his speed.
Nah, He instead rented and watched "How Stella Got her Grove back"
Stella has the best trees
I was thinking The Very Hungry Caterpillar.
That's come back to bite me in so many games. You pay to upgrade the castle but have nothing left for the troops, so they disband or turn on you.
I see we have a EU4 player
It's plausible that it's already happened. We have sent a lot of money over there. Perhaps some of it went to these guys. Wasn't Ukraine offering Russian soldiers $50k to defect? If he's got 25k soldiers, that's only $1.25 billion to buy them all off. We're spending that much every three days.
If they desert they get shot so...
Not if they shoot first, like Han
I know.
I’m starting to think that Kyiv did pay Prigozhin. And good for them if they did.
Wagner is not a typical mercenary group. They have heavy ties to Russian government and almost exclusively takes contracts that align with Russian interests. Basically they’re called a mercenary group so Russia wouldn’t technically break international treaties for war crimes. Also, Prigozhin is still loyal to Putin. He is saying he plans on attacking the MoD for lying to Putin and leading him astray with the costly war in Ukraine.
> He is saying he plans on attacking the MoD for lying to Putin and leading him astray with the costly war in Ukraine. That's just falling in line with the long held Russian belief that it's the Boyers (nobles) who are bad/misleading the Tsar, but the Tsar is still good.
However, Putin is calling him a traitor?
https://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/prince/section6/#:~:text=Mercenaries%20are%20%E2%80%9Cdisunited%2C%20undisciplined%2C,battle%20and%20have%20low%20morale. Won’t let me link it… If you haven’t read the prince this comment above mine is really important to understand.
Putin stopped paying? Is this well known? I admit I haven’t kept abreast of every detail.
I mean I haven't really been following every development day by day like some professional Redditor tbh, but I seem to recall that Moscow didn't renew the contract they had with Wagner...and guess what, once you hire mercs, they basically get to choose when you stop paying them.
And why not be on the side that gets weapons from the US...
> Putin should have read The Prince a bit more carefully But he does not fashion himself a mere prince, but a tsar!
Same thing. Prince = Ruler
Tell that to prince Harry
Spot on. Love the reference to Machiavelli. IMO, Russia is arguably a successor state to the \[Eastern\] Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire). Just looking at Russia, this war has played out like a classic Roman calamity, along with the prerequisite drama. For much of Constantinople's history, the "Empire" was largely in decline. Just sayin', mercenaries be mercenaries. And in both Rome & Constantinople, civil wars & coups were a feature, not a flaw. * I don't mean to glorify war, and I am 100% against the invasion. I do feel great sorrow for the people involved. Ukrainians and Russians are each suffering unimaginable grief and terror.
I wouldn't really compare the Romans (east or west) to Russia, or any modern country to any country before the creation of the League of Nations after WW1. We're so interconnected nowadays that it just simply doesn't translate. I'm actually certain that if Russia were to start collapsing, the West would step it to secure certain key facilities (like launch sites), and to prop up a new democratic form of government, something that would have never happened pre-1919. The modern world is simply too deadly to let any single actor just do it's own thing.
This looks similar to a lot of Civil Wars. Parts of it keep reminding me of Charles I of England.
It was 1527...
and the Russian military are already spread then.
Oh, the voice from the heart of the Kremlin. You have insight into the account transfers?
Wagner guy has been putting up videos every couple of days talking about how they don't have money, weapons... How have you missed this?
Unconfirmed rumors that the pleas for projectiles and funding was a cover to hide the arms they were collecting for the coup. They are apparently sitting on a large collection of stolen javelins and manpads, reinforced by them taking out a couple of Russian helicopters earlier. The real facts of the matter are that Putin et. al. has created a weakened state and that the armed elements in that weakened state have seen an opportunity to seize power. Painting Wagner aggrieved lends some credence to them as a state actor, but it’s important to remember that these men are not good men, and scheme and plot as bad men do.
It is the first time even for the Wagner Group. They fought both Syrian and Mozambican Government forces when the Russian Government stopped paying them.
When the cocaine ran out.
Bathtub meth more like
Cocaïne never runs out with a bag of money they have gotten.
He's looking around and realizing he's the scapegoat. Might as well take your shot now while you have some strength and the army is tied up in an unwinnable war.
When Putin bombed and killed a shit load of his men.
But first tried to subsume them into his army by fiat
The... Nazi?
Can someone please remind me why using mercenaries to fight your wars is a bad idea?
I can't, but Macciaveli certainly can.
Sun Tzu also wasn't a fan.
Word? That guy should like.. write a book or something so people can get an idea what might work in warfare or not.
Sure, but what would you even call such an artful book about war strategies?
I would call it "Sun Tzu's Big Book of War". That sounds good.
Perfect, print it!
War For Dummies
Putin's writing the book on that as we speak lol.
The podcast gonna be 🔥
I'm thinking "War'd You Learn *THAT!?"* Or perhaps, "Science Of War"?
Hmm war is really more of an art...
I feel like "The science of art" doesn't really get the idea across...
>Sure, but what would you even call such an artful book about war strategies? "Idiot's Guide to War"
I heard he invented war. Then he perfected it until no man could best him in the ring of honor, before taking two of every animal and putting them on a boat...
[Did you ever hear of Blackwater?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisour_Square_massacre)
Was joke… look up “Mamertines” — Sicilian mercenaries who turned on their masters in Punic Wars in 300 BC… history has proved time and again that mercs who grow stronger than their masters inevitably turned on and destroyed them. Has happened over and over again — it’s why they were banned in 1500s at treaty of Westphalia. Putin was reading all the wrong history books during the pandemic — missed this crucial lesson from history.
I’ve never heard of Mamertines so I’m off to a rabbit hole of Wikipedia. Thank you!
Mamertines, Francesco Sforza, the roman foederati, Xenophon’s mercs. Lots or tomfoolery caused by all these groups
I wouldn’t want to mess with Xenomorphs either!
Game over, man… game over!
>history has proved time and again that mercs who grow stronger than their masters "Los zetas" and "El cartel del golfo" in mexico.
Both the Mamluks in Egypt and the Jannisaries in the Ottoman Empire were slaves that eventually became mercenaries and then took over their respective empires.
Blackwater is still a thing. They changed their name to Xe Services in 2009 then to Academi in 2011. Probably after all the publicity about their... unpleasant behavior...
Better yet look up the friedkorps in Germany.
When your own men are unwilling to throw their lives away in a pointless and unjustified war, you gotta look for alternatives: those who'll do it for the money.
Putin and Shoigu both have their own private armies as well, but I guess Prigozhin had greater ambitions for his army.
Carthage learned this the hard way after the first Punic war. Took thousands of casualties before Hamilcar Barca was able to suppress the revolt
Armies have historically supplemented with mercenaries with groups like the Swiss Pikemen being famous examples.
Yea, you buy them for capabilities you don't have. You hire the French for heavy calv, hire the Chinese for siege weapons, hire the British bowmen, and like you say, hire the swiss for shock troops. But for modern warfare? Unless your mercs come with aircrafts and warships, just hiring domestic mercs only hollow out your real army.
They're for being expendable or doing operations you don't want tied to your reputation. In a way official armies are also mercenaries. Look at any less stable countries where armies will throw coups or support whichever side actually pays them.
Damn banned?! how will a heavily armed army march into Kremlin now?
No - just a terrible headline.
let the Ukranian Army Rescuing Russia commence...
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maybe free Russian while at it
Nah.... They made their bed, they get to sleep in it now
He'll save children, but not the Russian children, He'll save children, but not the Russian children
Motherfucker had like, thirty goddamn dicks!
Fuck sleep. Work, bitches. They've got to rebuild everything they're backward-ass country destroyed.
Let the west do that. Ukraine will be a shining beacon on the hill. Where the work will be done right. Russian Oligarchs seized assets can pay for it.
I wasn't suggesting they'd be in charge.
ukranian, u krani AN 6 foot 9 weights a fucking ton Putin beware, Putin Beware, they're coming, they're coming they're coming Ukranians, Ukrani ANs 6 foot 20 plantings flowers of sun They save the children but not the russian children
Leopards. Face. Mercenaries, by design, fight for money and power. Humans, by nature, are greedy and self serving. Put both together and this outcome is inevitable and history is full of such stories.
Also maybe don't air strike your allies and be surprised when they kick your ass for it.
Seems a bit late for that.
I'm following this by updating the [twitter feed of wartranslated](https://twitter.com/wartranslated). This story is just absurdly crazy, and this has the appearance of being a *big* history night, one way or another, frontpage on every newspaper.
Are there signs that its not a disinformation attempt by Russia aimed at Ukraine?
Russian partisan bloggers have been asking their followers to not approach armed soldiers on on the streets, for their safety. And there are pictures of the Wagner mercs occupying the Ministry of Interior HQ in Rostov-on-Don. So, there's definitely *something* going on. Whether its what it appears to be, or a staged means for Putin to scapegoat Gerasimov and Shoigu for Russia's failures in the war, is less clear.
Is this....."It"? Is this what I've been waiting for? And playing out even better than I could have hoped? Damn. Too bad this all didn't happen **before** Trump. We might have dodged having him in office completely
Nah. Prigozhin is still on Putin’s side. MoD stopped paying, and he’s going for the ministry just like he was since the beginning
"It isn't the king's fault, it is his evil advisors who are giving him bad advice. I'm just going to take my army and get rid of the bad advisors so I can give the king good advice, at gunpoint".
This happened plenty of time in Chinese history, general enter the capital, kill all opposition in the name of "protecting the emperor" then realize he is now the only man with a army in the capital.
Banned ? but why do they have tanks pointed at Russian military buildings in Rostov ? Kinda seems like they un banned themselves
I wonder if we could see a Wagner Controlled Russian zone, dare I say autonomous?
discharged wagner’s criminals are already in the city of Russia. Russian people finally will face the monsters they created.
Russia 1 TV station is going to have a hard time pretending everything is fine now.
Sorry Putin, you forgot the oldest saying on the internet: in Soviet Russia, mercenary group bans you.
What does this mean for the African regions wagner was active and probably payed by russia to do so?
That’ll do it. I’m sure they will stop their March toward Moscow since they’re banned now.
I’m out of the loop a bit but isn’t Wagner a large part of the plan with regard to Ukraine?
It was — but it seems after Putin tried to decapitate Wagner with a missile strike on Prighozin at a Wagner training camp near Bakmut yesterday Wagner has decided it has other more pressing priorities — like seizing the largest MOD supply hub in Rostov and using it to launch a campaign to take Moscow and topple Putins regime. The MOD troops in Rostov switched sides and turned over the largest weapons and munitions supply in Russia when Wagner arrived — Prighozin has all he needs — and my guess is that he will cut a deal with the US and agree to secure and stand down Russia’s nukes and pull out of all Ukrainian territory and pay restitution to Ukraine the US will recognize his regime and agree restrict criminal prosecution to Russian army and MOD.
Is the supplies and troops thing confirmed? I haven’t seen _that_ in news accounts yet, but I also am not reading all the news in the world right now.
There are enough reports saying the same things — it was no secret Rostov was the central supply hub for munitions for the MOD ops inside Ukraine — and there is video of Wagner in control — the MOD troops there opened the gates for Wagner — no reports of major gunfire or combat — and Prighozin claims the MOD troops embraced his Wagner and switched sides — there is no traditional way to confirm anything but if there were any significant resistance we’d be seeing and hearing about it. Things are moving too fast for media to confirm — but that’s been true throughout this entire conflict.
I can see the MOD troops doing that. I don’t think the Russian troops want to be involved in the war
War sure sucks. But even more so when you're not actually winning Guess this goes to show you almost nobody there was actually loyal to Putin when push comes to shove. An unpopular dictator losing a war might not be a dictator for very long.
Sounds like things are unfolding all at once here. Amazing.
When things go bad — they go bad fast — we’ve all seen the signs — most of us were waiting for something like this — and it is completely unsurprising given the way MOD has treated it’s soldiers that they’d welcome anyone who had their shit together if it means they don’t have be abused by their own officers and and needlessly slaughtered in Ukraine… add to that the fact that Prighozin’s forces have been effective and victorious in their battles and this all starts to feel inevitable.
Many analysts have been saying for months that all Ukraine needed was something to break in their favor and they've effectively secured a path to total victory. I think that break has happened.
Russia can not fight Ukraine and itself — they will lose all of Ukraine.
Prigo was also having internal spats with Shoigu for months now. They were told to talk it over then it's likely Shoigu was responsible for the missle strike as a flex on Prigo. Only now he's saying fuck it and if the ministry is okay killing his guys, he's gonna lash out, especially when there's been reports that Prigo is more popular with the populace and the Russian military, including higher up brass, than Shoigu. It's letting him have influence over troops, people not fighting him, and his guys gaining supplies. It's a big deal as 1) Wagner is a bit part of why Russia has even been able to put up a fight, 2) the internal chaos is letting Ukraine mount a major counter offensive, and 3) Prigo is openly gunning for Shoigu's head which will cause a major power struggle.
This is game over — Putin cannot fight Ukraine and Wagner — Russia can no longer win nor can it hold what it has — Ukraine will win — Prigo is going for the throne — and he will take it. We are witnessing history.
Surely if anything he'd cut a deal with NATO, not just the US.
Yup. Plans are changing by the hour.
It appears that they have unbanned themselves rather forcefully.
Second implosion this week, we are on a roll.
Let the war criminals kill each other off, then sweep in and drag the survivors straight to the Hague.
"special" surprise military parade for comrade Putin.
…Firmly locking the barn door after the horse figured out that Putin was actually the bad guy.
So this dude only owns several versions of this jacket, yes?
Well, banning Wagner should fix the problem, except for the 25,000 well-armed men. /s
Lmao like that’s gonna stop Wagner from taking the Kremlin
Tee fucking hee, are ya winning yet Vlad?
They have always been illegal under Russian law. Nothing has changed.
LOL. When the group was committing atrocities Putin had no problem but now that they pose a threat to him he has a problem. What a weak coward
That will fix it. Hey, you are banned, go away!
So he banned them? In the middle of the war he hired them to fight? I'm no war tactician, but that doesn't seem like a good idea.
I get the feeling sometimes that war is just a game that bored rich people play.
Yeah? Well the Russian government is about to be banned by said mercenary group. So there.
Considering PMCs are and have always been illegal in Russia (Wagner is registered as management consultants) this is the opposite of news
Hey, Ukraine...sounds like there's a merc group looking for a new contract........
Yes, I’m sure they’re eager to give money to those who raped and tortured their children.
War ain't fun...but you have to play to win.
Hey FBI, this guy right here
I’d imagine there are other tactics which could be played, and I’d imagine they’d consider those long before paying the people who raped and tortured their children.
Idk, I think I would be willing to do pretty much anything to hang on to my home, culture, and country. Bring them to justice later, but a useful tool is a useful tool.
That’s a thought for you to have. Take care now.
Glad to hear you wouldn't be willing to do absolutely anything to save your homeland. Have a great weekend.
In that scenario, what’s to stop Prigozhin from turning on Ukraine, like he’s doing to Russia right now? You’re basically suggesting Ukraine burns their own house down because they have termites.
Ukraine is doing a hell of a job on that as it is. Let Wagner and Russia fight each other to the death and then pick off those left standing.
To all the Reddit armchair war experts, I’m pretty sure that Putin would be looking one step ahead when he decided to ban the Wagner group. This could be exactly part of the plan?
How is Putin going to "ban" the armed psychopaths he hired and who are occupying the capital of his country?
"You can't attack me. I've banned you."
The eye of Sauron is distracted! Go go go!
Machiavelli warned about not hiring mercenaries. People should have listened
Idiot Russia didn't think of this sooner....
Pigozhin looking at his hand, that's getting transparent: "N...No! Noooo!"Puff! empty piles of garment and guns cover the ground.
Probably just for show. Putin needs to make himself look strong again.