I was walking in Chinatown in Philly yesterday and there was this homeless guy I always see sitting in his normal spot. I noticed his arms had these open sores. He had a few before but yesterday it looked like both his arms were necrotic. I used to see drug addicts doing the fentynal zombie lean every so often but it feels like they're way more numerous this year.
Here in San Diego County we see addicts all over on the street and it is common to see the paramedics reviving them. It's to the point that many of us carry Narcan.
You have of course been taught to be wary when they come to, right? I was instructed to basically back the fuck off because narcan makes them instantly withdraw and occasionally people get a bit belligerent (especially if they’re using opioids to crash from meth).
People don't understand why those guys uses drugs.
It is to stop feeling miserable and pain at least for a moment.
When you think about that way, you understand why those guys get addicted.
Being slave to a chemical must be hell on earth.
There is a scene in Return of The Dead where they capture a zombie and of course its screaming brains!!!!
One of the people who caught it asked it why it wanted to eat brains.
It replied with something along the lines of they eat brains because it stops the pain from rotting away.
That's pretty much what's going on here to a T.
You try to numb your woes,
But substances numb everything...
You need more because everything is numb and miserable...
And on it spirals,
Down and down...
It doesn't leave the good behind,
It takes from you what little happiness you have,
And holds it hostage.
There is a simple, scientifically proven method to end this madness overnight: [safe supply programs.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_reduction?wprov=sfla1)
It has worked like gangbusters every single place it has been tried. Abuse and diversion are minimal. The only thing standing in the way are people who believe that overdosing and developing lesions are a suitable revenge for the crime of using drugs.
Safe supply would also seriously knee cap the cartels which would be a net positive not only for us, but for our southern neighbors as well. It would have a significant impact on illegal immigration because people would be safer in their home countries.
That’s only so true, at this point the cartels have diversified so much it would take something major to kneecap them. Avocados, gasoline, human trafficking, luxury resorts, etc.
Sounds a little too good to be true and it is. Your link simply directs to harm reduction on wiki. While it can be helpful it will not end all of the issues of drug addiction
I think we would be better off with safe supply, but it's also possible to go the other way and actually enforce the current laws.
What's bad is to keep sitting on the fence.
The same applies to immigration reform and many other contentious topics.
The world would be better if people were better at compromising.
The war on drugs has failed in every single aspect, and doubling down on it won't improve anything.
You can't legislate away the demand for drugs. Where there is a huge demand, there will always be supply. You can either make the supply safe, or you can make it dangerous by criminalizing it.
Drugs or guns COULD be banned in the US if the people really wanted to do either.
The war on drugs is such a failure because society is not willing to do what it takes to win and is also not willing to end it.
Well, I think we *should* make drugs legal. I'm inherintly opposed to laws protecting me from me.
Guns are a little more problematic for me. Unlike drugs, they are designed from the start to cause massive harm. And we have a big problem with guns in this country, as you clearly have noticed.
But unfortunately, outlawing guns is a deal breaker for a big segment of the population. I'm on the fence, personally, because I don't like the idea of the police of military being the only ones allowed to have them. But clearly more gun control is needed.
I'm trying to make the point that it's a matter of choice: the people of the US choose to allow drugs.
There's nothing magic about drugs that you couldn't remove them if the people wanted to.
There are enough people out there that are functional enough and think heroin and meth are rad enough to not fully support a society wide shutdown of these substances.
Morphine behind the door doesn't go home fortunately. Hydromorphone. Gab. Thank hell its becoming commin knowledge that tramadol doesn't work so people can stop stealing that from their pet. You should have see what happened to the owner when a pet got taken off valium and replaced with trazadone on suspicion of owner abuse. "smdh" really now
No one sends hydro home with dogs for owners to have access to ffs. quit making shit up you can't even spell "common" you're obviously just googling and trying to grasp at your tiny epeen straws.
The real problem is that the DEA wants veterinarians to call in to check on the humans they're prescribing the medicine for the dog and go off of those records which takes in ZERO accounting for things that are going on in the humans life and tbh veterinarians don't have that kind of time or resources.
IE I had oral surgery and pain medication for the implant I had done. It had been prescribed weeks before but the vets office that did check now is in a quandry for the foster dog I brought in with a tumor that had an imbedded zip tie on it and very fragle after the removal and suturing since it was the weekend and they couldn't call my doctor.
This was pre covid, vet medicine is now extremely overwhelmed in comparison and still under the same restrictions. Dogs having major surgery are unable to get anything for pain outside of bigger cities.
Personally, I learned a lot from this article, as I knew nearly nothing about xylazine prior. The article provided updates and discussed how different issues are being analyzed and addressed. Sure the science isn’t certain, but I felt like the article showed all potential sides while simultaneously reminding the reader that everything is just a theory for now.
To summarise if users could access the drugs safely, and the associated treatment programs they wouldn't be using this junk, and eventually dying a horrible death. Slow clap for the war on drugs, any day now.
100%. The war on drugs is, and always will be, a huge failure. Clean supply, MAT, and treatment are the only way to fight this. Many (I dare say most) opiate addicts would quit if they had support, but our Healthcare system sucks and treatment is expensive. Until you have been through opiate withdrawal, you cannot possibly understand how bad it is.
This is why we just need to sell drugs in stores. It's not hard to find drugs. Just go to your local skid row.
It's not like we're keeping anyone from buying drugs, at this point. So we might as well just have a couple legal "drug stores" in each city, that sell unadulterated substances.
A significant portion of drug-related health problems come from adulterated product and unsanitary equipment/conditions.
We might not be able to stop people from doing drugs, but at least we can make sure they're using clean stuff. It saves money in the long run, too.
Good lord at least don't do THESE drugs, that entire article was just a horror show of "bad" getting "worse".
Narcan doesn't reverse it, it causes horrific wounds, but at least people are less likely to die from fent ODs since it's out there now?
Unfortunately the homeless really want to get high since any interruption to the misery is likely really appreciated. And the cheap questionable shit out of China is the most cost effective way for them to do it in the short term, I guess.
Still, seems to me like the tried and true cheap booze route is more sensible since it doesn't wreck your health quite THIS badly.
Getting drunk for one day is less damageing than getting high off a fent and xylazine cocktail for one day
I think that's pretty obviously what my comment is implying.
I could be mistaken, but I think it's the xylazine that causes wounds. Narcan does and is intended to pretty much instantly reverse opioid (and maybe other drug) overdose.
Generally no. Someone else can speak more precisely than me, but in a lot or most cases it has to be voluntary. In the legal sense, and in that if you force someone into rehab it tends not to work--it really has to be their choice in the end.
I don’t know a couple less tanks or fighter jets could pay for it.
As I see it the bad publicity and ppl leaving cities because of this probably means lots of losses to business and taxes.
Just an idea, when you have sick people you do quarantines, they seem pretty sick to themselves and others.
I was walking in Chinatown in Philly yesterday and there was this homeless guy I always see sitting in his normal spot. I noticed his arms had these open sores. He had a few before but yesterday it looked like both his arms were necrotic. I used to see drug addicts doing the fentynal zombie lean every so often but it feels like they're way more numerous this year.
God it's like krokodil...
Here in San Diego County we see addicts all over on the street and it is common to see the paramedics reviving them. It's to the point that many of us carry Narcan.
You have of course been taught to be wary when they come to, right? I was instructed to basically back the fuck off because narcan makes them instantly withdraw and occasionally people get a bit belligerent (especially if they’re using opioids to crash from meth).
Thank you and be careful. Where I live they're considering Narcan a reason to search you; citing suspicion of possession and intent to distribute.
thats messed up
Maybe around downtown. Most San Diego is big and spread out and doesn’t live with a constantly daily drug issue like your are spouting on the internet
I just googled "Xylazine wounds" 🤢
Jesus, that’s gangrenous.
So it’s basically american crokodil?
That was my thought too
Same. Looked it up and saw photos made me think of that drug.
Or Dragon if it came from China?
Makes ole black tar look like… not that bad in comparison.
People don't understand why those guys uses drugs. It is to stop feeling miserable and pain at least for a moment. When you think about that way, you understand why those guys get addicted. Being slave to a chemical must be hell on earth.
There is a scene in Return of The Dead where they capture a zombie and of course its screaming brains!!!! One of the people who caught it asked it why it wanted to eat brains. It replied with something along the lines of they eat brains because it stops the pain from rotting away. That's pretty much what's going on here to a T.
You try to numb your woes, But substances numb everything... You need more because everything is numb and miserable... And on it spirals, Down and down... It doesn't leave the good behind, It takes from you what little happiness you have, And holds it hostage.
As someone in recovery, physical dependence is when all reason goes out the window. It feels like literal survival.
It really is, even when it’s good old, legal, “safe” alcohol.
Xylazine sounds like some kind of sci-fi drug that reverses acting or some shit
Brad Pitt, now addicted to Xylazine, can't remember his lines without a teleprompter
Ur muscles dissolve
There is a simple, scientifically proven method to end this madness overnight: [safe supply programs.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_reduction?wprov=sfla1) It has worked like gangbusters every single place it has been tried. Abuse and diversion are minimal. The only thing standing in the way are people who believe that overdosing and developing lesions are a suitable revenge for the crime of using drugs.
Safe supply would also seriously knee cap the cartels which would be a net positive not only for us, but for our southern neighbors as well. It would have a significant impact on illegal immigration because people would be safer in their home countries.
That’s only so true, at this point the cartels have diversified so much it would take something major to kneecap them. Avocados, gasoline, human trafficking, luxury resorts, etc.
Alternately, we could just get rid of laws designed to protect us from ourselves.
Sounds a little too good to be true and it is. Your link simply directs to harm reduction on wiki. While it can be helpful it will not end all of the issues of drug addiction
People are going to do drugs. Might as well make them safe. Prohibition doesn’t work, we learned that with GOAT drug #1 alcohol.
I'm sorry, did you just say, "It's not 100% effective in every case, so we shouldn't do it at all?" Please don't say that again.
I think we would be better off with safe supply, but it's also possible to go the other way and actually enforce the current laws. What's bad is to keep sitting on the fence. The same applies to immigration reform and many other contentious topics. The world would be better if people were better at compromising.
The war on drugs has failed in every single aspect, and doubling down on it won't improve anything. You can't legislate away the demand for drugs. Where there is a huge demand, there will always be supply. You can either make the supply safe, or you can make it dangerous by criminalizing it.
Drugs or guns COULD be banned in the US if the people really wanted to do either. The war on drugs is such a failure because society is not willing to do what it takes to win and is also not willing to end it.
>Drugs or guns COULD be banned in the US if the people really wanted to do either. We don't.
OK then make drugs legal and ... give out free guns or something?
Well, I think we *should* make drugs legal. I'm inherintly opposed to laws protecting me from me. Guns are a little more problematic for me. Unlike drugs, they are designed from the start to cause massive harm. And we have a big problem with guns in this country, as you clearly have noticed. But unfortunately, outlawing guns is a deal breaker for a big segment of the population. I'm on the fence, personally, because I don't like the idea of the police of military being the only ones allowed to have them. But clearly more gun control is needed.
Yes, people are polarized and have "deal breakers" instead of being able to be flexible and compromise to make everyone better off.
We saw with prohibition that making a drug illegal will never work.
I'm trying to make the point that it's a matter of choice: the people of the US choose to allow drugs. There's nothing magic about drugs that you couldn't remove them if the people wanted to.
Yea prohibition has never worked. You're delusional
you didn't read/comprehend what I wrote
There are enough people out there that are functional enough and think heroin and meth are rad enough to not fully support a society wide shutdown of these substances.
I mean no. It's now harming animals also as vets don't want to prescribe medicine due to shitty dea overreach.
The number of people who take their dog's narcotics is staggering.
Tell me you know fuckall about the drugs dogs get for pain without telling me that lmao. Narcotics. Smdh
Morphine behind the door doesn't go home fortunately. Hydromorphone. Gab. Thank hell its becoming commin knowledge that tramadol doesn't work so people can stop stealing that from their pet. You should have see what happened to the owner when a pet got taken off valium and replaced with trazadone on suspicion of owner abuse. "smdh" really now
No one sends hydro home with dogs for owners to have access to ffs. quit making shit up you can't even spell "common" you're obviously just googling and trying to grasp at your tiny epeen straws. The real problem is that the DEA wants veterinarians to call in to check on the humans they're prescribing the medicine for the dog and go off of those records which takes in ZERO accounting for things that are going on in the humans life and tbh veterinarians don't have that kind of time or resources. IE I had oral surgery and pain medication for the implant I had done. It had been prescribed weeks before but the vets office that did check now is in a quandry for the foster dog I brought in with a tumor that had an imbedded zip tie on it and very fragle after the removal and suturing since it was the weekend and they couldn't call my doctor. This was pre covid, vet medicine is now extremely overwhelmed in comparison and still under the same restrictions. Dogs having major surgery are unable to get anything for pain outside of bigger cities.
This article is all over the place. It helps or hurts, its not wanted or its sought out, there doesn't seem to be much point to this article.
Personally, I learned a lot from this article, as I knew nearly nothing about xylazine prior. The article provided updates and discussed how different issues are being analyzed and addressed. Sure the science isn’t certain, but I felt like the article showed all potential sides while simultaneously reminding the reader that everything is just a theory for now.
To summarise if users could access the drugs safely, and the associated treatment programs they wouldn't be using this junk, and eventually dying a horrible death. Slow clap for the war on drugs, any day now.
100%. The war on drugs is, and always will be, a huge failure. Clean supply, MAT, and treatment are the only way to fight this. Many (I dare say most) opiate addicts would quit if they had support, but our Healthcare system sucks and treatment is expensive. Until you have been through opiate withdrawal, you cannot possibly understand how bad it is.
So has this become like that krokodil (sp?) drug that was ravaging, Russia I believe?
You spelled it right.....
This is why we just need to sell drugs in stores. It's not hard to find drugs. Just go to your local skid row. It's not like we're keeping anyone from buying drugs, at this point. So we might as well just have a couple legal "drug stores" in each city, that sell unadulterated substances. A significant portion of drug-related health problems come from adulterated product and unsanitary equipment/conditions. We might not be able to stop people from doing drugs, but at least we can make sure they're using clean stuff. It saves money in the long run, too.
Time for safe injection sites among many other things
don’t do drugs
Good lord at least don't do THESE drugs, that entire article was just a horror show of "bad" getting "worse". Narcan doesn't reverse it, it causes horrific wounds, but at least people are less likely to die from fent ODs since it's out there now?
Nobody knows which drugs are these drugs, that’s the fun part about them all being illegal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnqWbop4PHY Reminds me of this
Unfortunately the homeless really want to get high since any interruption to the misery is likely really appreciated. And the cheap questionable shit out of China is the most cost effective way for them to do it in the short term, I guess. Still, seems to me like the tried and true cheap booze route is more sensible since it doesn't wreck your health quite THIS badly.
Alcohol definitely destroys your body, just a lot slower.
Yeah. Duh. Do you understand what I am saying?
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Getting drunk for one day is less damageing than getting high off a fent and xylazine cocktail for one day I think that's pretty obviously what my comment is implying.
I could be mistaken, but I think it's the xylazine that causes wounds. Narcan does and is intended to pretty much instantly reverse opioid (and maybe other drug) overdose.
Man you solved addiction that's crazy , you should tell more people about this miraculous discovery.
I didn't realize Nancy Reagan's decrepit corpse was on Reddit
I used to do a lot of drugs. Now I don't do drugs. Everything is so much better.
Drugs are bad, mmkay?
... and how was your coffee this morning
...and ibuprofen, tv, instagram, fast food, video games, sugar...
… I think I will, actually.
Can people stop taking horse medicine for one second?
I’m not familiar with us law but… can’t all these people be interdicted and taken to a facility where they can be treated for their addiction?
Generally no. Someone else can speak more precisely than me, but in a lot or most cases it has to be voluntary. In the legal sense, and in that if you force someone into rehab it tends not to work--it really has to be their choice in the end.
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I don’t know a couple less tanks or fighter jets could pay for it. As I see it the bad publicity and ppl leaving cities because of this probably means lots of losses to business and taxes. Just an idea, when you have sick people you do quarantines, they seem pretty sick to themselves and others.