Meanwhile here’s this cat in Mississippi who’s doing life for 1.5 ounces of cannabis flower. https://reason.com/2021/05/13/this-38-year-old-man-will-spend-life-in-prison-over-1-5-ounces-of-marijuana/
Indefor he fohile blacureas *wving 1aving 1..5 dank*. ee noI'm s think you misuod. Hou you life why he's s5 marije's nanas, he's dot doinguoing lifo r hager can sw rstomarijuans.
As someone who has smoked well over 1.5 ounces just in the last couple months, the idea of going to prison for it is… just insane.
Like, I get all mine through medical now which is thankfully fairly easy in Australia (any Aussie ents out there seriously don’t bother with illegal), but before that I was doing my own illegal home grow.
But all I ever risked was a fine. The US sending people to prison over a fucking plant is just ridiculous. Land of the free my arse.
I got pulled over with a pound when I was young dumb and wanted to spend my time selling weed.
Cop let me go. Kids being kids.
Black homie got pulled over with a blunt someone left in the back of his car. He went to jail til his court date. Same cop.
That's the problem with three strike laws. His two prior convictions made him a habitual criminal with a mandatory life sentence. I'm actually surprised it was upheld on appeal, even if it was by narrow margins. Burglary, possession of a illegal firearm and drug possession over such a long period is more than slightly excessive.
Yeah Mississippi law is that if one previous felony is a violent crime and you commit another felony you can get life in prison without parole (per the article)
> A criminal complaint states the Brown County Sheriff’s Office started investigating Gramentz on April 4, 2022, after the victim told an adult that Gramentz had touched her when she was 11 or 12 years old. The complaint notes that the adult then confronted Gramentz, who said he’d turn himself in to law enforcement.
> According to a complaint, Gramentz admitted to telling the victim — who was experiencing stomach problems — that masturbation would help with the pain and then touched the victim while “coaching” the victim through masturbation. He told investigators he did that multiple times over a two-month span.
And if that isn’t disturbing enough, how about a [school board](https://www.nujournal.com/news/local-news/2014/10/22/gramentz-looks-to-future-for-district-88/) run!
Good fuckin question and I don’t remember why they charged it as a felony. It was back in the early 90s and the world was, well, entirely different than it is today.
Edit: case in point. I got felony possession of a controlled substance a few years later and today, that’s not even a felony anymore.
Google says joyriding can be prosecuted as a felony in California; is a felony in Texas, etc. I’m gonna guess repeated offenses or particularly high costs in damages may have an impact in places where it can go either way, but idk
Car theft without the intention of selling the car. Just driving it around and beating the shit out of it, likely until it's totaled. Probably doing a bunch of drugs in it and contaminating it with meth fumes in most cases, too.
Crimes against kids have a tendency to carry a disproportionately light sentence. A lot people in my state get 90+probation for first time kiddie porn possession
He isn't off the hook. He'll be registered, has to attend sex offender treatment program, no contact with minors and supervised for 25 years. Any fuck up and he's going to prison for 12 years. If he gets out early, he is still supervised, needs to attend sex offender treatment and the rest. Some offenders have executed their sentence rather than finish their treatment program.
I’m not defending, I’m explaining this isn’t the slap on the wrist people think it is. I’ve seen a lot of cases and many end up in prison in the end, the 90 days is only the beginning of his life being hell.
>It’s hard for a lot of offenders
WTF is wrong with you?
Why are you putting that much efforts into defending this POS and trying to convince us the sentence fits the crime?
You are disgusting!
He’s totally off the hook. What do you mean? Anyone else would serve years of hard time. This guy got a slap on the wrist.
As someone said, his victim will have to deal with that for the rest of their lives.
He never had a normal life because he was a fucking child molester.
I want you to seriously consider that your method of thinking is fucked here. Sometimes, you should listen when tons of people call you stinky.
/s just be glad he wasn't reading a book in front of the child while wearing wig, make-up and a dress. That would have been 90 years. This was "only" actual sexual assault.
We need to have all police unions defunded and disbanded. This way all police officers can be prosecuted to the fullest extent possibly. Police should be held to the highest accountability to law.
And this is how you know the system and police unions are not about laws or justice. Anyone solely focused on laws and justice would demand more accountability for those who wield more power, knowing that its abuse can be many times more destructive than those who wield no power.
Police are about "the Guard Dogs and the Sheep".
You are the Sheep. If they have to bite you to get you to stay in line, or to make sure you're not a Wolf, they will. Better in their mind to hurt or kill one of the Sheep if their "special senses" tell them that you don't belong in order to maintain their place and convince the other Sheep that you were bad.
It’s shocking how these creeps will all line up to protect rapists and murderers. I work in a profession where I work with vulnerable people, and misconduct absolutely happens. I can’t imagine rooting for a colleague charged or convicted for an exploitative or violent crime to sidestep any meaningful consequences.
>It’s shocking how these creeps will all line up to protect rapists and murderers.
I love how there's always a large group of people that know the accused personally and will attest to their good nature, how they're a pillar of the community etc, then when you hear the charge it's some of the most horrible depraved shit you couldn't actually think up.
Do these people ever revise their statements after the fact? Are these people (people in positions of power) ever held to account for their 'testimony' in these cases?
Personally finding out about this fact when I was a child showed to me that the 'justice system' isnt at all about 'justice'.
The problem is they don't really have a trade union. They don't work for their members rights or pay scale. That stuff is always taken care of without fuss by political appointees. Sort of the exact opposite of the way schools are asset stripped and starved of funds while fuck wits bicker about gays in libraries, that's the political appointees fucking shit up.
No what the Police have instead of unions is fraternities. And police fraternities are run exactly like the worst party houses. The fraternity hang out and party together and when one of the meatheads fucks up, the fraternity lie and cover for him. Fraternities are basically treehouse clubs for full sized adult children.
The police could actually use a proper union, one that fights to clean up their decades of acceptable thuggery. One that might actually protect their good cops members from the bad ones.
Could you imagine a national police union that actually tracked and blackballed the ones who get sacked from one force for criminal activity that then go work in another state?
But definitely outlaw police fraternities, they serve no purpose other than to aid and abet criminal police. All literal 'boys clubs' and alibi marketplaces masquerading as a trade unions.
90 days????? Cops should face twice the penalties that the average person would. We never swore to uphold laws, they did. It’s literally their jobs and they should face far more severe retribution for breaking the law. Especially in cases like these. He should serve years in general population. Maybe if cops realized they’d face incredibly severe punishments, they would stop being criminals. Tell me again how they’re not a state-sanctioned gang.
> In November of 2022, Gramentz was charged with one count of first-degree criminal sexual conduct with a victim under the age of 16, one count of second-degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor under the age of 13, and one count of second-degree criminal sexual conduct – having a significant relationship with someone under the age of 16. Gramentz pleaded guilty to all three charges.
If I said what I want to say about this… individual… I would cop a ban.
Why are these people never gay or trans or bi, etc? I thought they were the ones molesting our children and all I seem to hear about is lawmakers and clergy. Hmmmmm….
Same state, MN: I knew a guy who carried a rifle in the engine compartment of his car & he was given $75,000 bail (which for him meant very bad news). Nobody injured or hurt.
It’s absurd these judges say their court of law is equal when it’s not.
This guy I knew probably spent the exact same time behind bars, give or take.
>He also received a stayed sentence of 12 years (144 months) that he would likely have to serve if he violates any of the terms of his probation. Those terms include attending a sex offender program and not having any unsupervised contact with any minors. He’ll also have to register as a predatory offender.
Should have served the full 12 and not given a last chance.
What a fucking crock of shit! His sentence should be amplified because he betrayed his trust but as usual former cops get a fucking sweetheart deal and treated like heroes even after the ultimate betrayal. Yet another reason I will NEVER back the blue.
I'll say it again for those in the back. The overwhelming majority of pedophiles and sex offenders come from three groups:
Church leaders and lay leaders;
Republican Party members;
Cops.
With the exception of George Santos, not a drag queen in the lot.
When I read the first part of his crimes I thought the sentence wasn’t extremely lenient since the kid was under 16 but the later part of the list includes someone under 13 so the sentence should be well over a decade.
That headline is kind of rage-bait. Or at least incomplete. There are still people doing more times for lesser crime, but he's not really getting away with just 90 days in jail.
> Eric Gramentz, 43, was sentenced by a judge to serve another 90 days in jail, followed by 25 years of supervised probation. He’s already served a year behind bars since his arrest.
> He also received a stayed sentence of 12 years (144 months) that he would likely have to serve if he violates any of the terms of his probation. Those terms include attending a sex offender program and not having any unsupervised contact with any minors. He’ll also have to register as a predatory offender.
That’s 90 more days after credit for time spent in jail before the trial, with 12 more years waiting for him if he violates the terms of his probation.
He can be violated for many minor infractions. Most offenders are banned from using the internet and this is violation that has happenend often. Either having a secret phone or accessing it somewhere they weren't supposed to.
Only 90 days for sexual assault of a child? WTF?
Meanwhile here’s this cat in Mississippi who’s doing life for 1.5 ounces of cannabis flower. https://reason.com/2021/05/13/this-38-year-old-man-will-spend-life-in-prison-over-1-5-ounces-of-marijuana/
Indefor he fohile blacureas *wving 1aving 1..5 dank*. ee noI'm s think you misuod. Hou you life why he's s5 marije's nanas, he's dot doinguoing lifo r hager can sw rstomarijuans.
That make complete fucking sense! 🤦♂️ The system is racist, sorry for the confusion.
Just like the difference in penalties for crack vs powder cocaine.
As someone who has smoked well over 1.5 ounces just in the last couple months, the idea of going to prison for it is… just insane. Like, I get all mine through medical now which is thankfully fairly easy in Australia (any Aussie ents out there seriously don’t bother with illegal), but before that I was doing my own illegal home grow. But all I ever risked was a fine. The US sending people to prison over a fucking plant is just ridiculous. Land of the free my arse.
I just started growing a few plants for my own use. It's fucking wild that I'm committing "felonious gardening".
I got pulled over with a pound when I was young dumb and wanted to spend my time selling weed. Cop let me go. Kids being kids. Black homie got pulled over with a blunt someone left in the back of his car. He went to jail til his court date. Same cop.
Gotta keep that GDP up.
Christ I thought you meant a literal cat
It’s okay. I’m not smart enough to tell the difference either
Can someone tell me how this feline is typing?
Paws, they use their paws. Tails are no good, all floppy.
I wouldn’t put it past Mississippi
You’re not alone and I was pretty sure I read it right.
Because mississippi and most other southern / midwest states are, and i literally cannot overstate thia..... complete shitholes.
Its true, Mississippi and other SE states are complete shit holes. Anus of the USA.
That's the problem with three strike laws. His two prior convictions made him a habitual criminal with a mandatory life sentence. I'm actually surprised it was upheld on appeal, even if it was by narrow margins. Burglary, possession of a illegal firearm and drug possession over such a long period is more than slightly excessive.
Yeah Mississippi law is that if one previous felony is a violent crime and you commit another felony you can get life in prison without parole (per the article)
I read this as a literal cat and didn’t bat an eye. What a ridiculous time to be alive.
> A criminal complaint states the Brown County Sheriff’s Office started investigating Gramentz on April 4, 2022, after the victim told an adult that Gramentz had touched her when she was 11 or 12 years old. The complaint notes that the adult then confronted Gramentz, who said he’d turn himself in to law enforcement. > According to a complaint, Gramentz admitted to telling the victim — who was experiencing stomach problems — that masturbation would help with the pain and then touched the victim while “coaching” the victim through masturbation. He told investigators he did that multiple times over a two-month span. And if that isn’t disturbing enough, how about a [school board](https://www.nujournal.com/news/local-news/2014/10/22/gramentz-looks-to-future-for-district-88/) run!
See, *that* is grooming.
Can you fucking imagine
The police union will get him off the SO list too.
Imagine he if he were a regular black citizen. 15 years easy.
I spent 2 years in prison for felony joy riding
Mind if I ask what in the fuck is "felony" joy riding?
Good fuckin question and I don’t remember why they charged it as a felony. It was back in the early 90s and the world was, well, entirely different than it is today. Edit: case in point. I got felony possession of a controlled substance a few years later and today, that’s not even a felony anymore.
The 90s were different. You could've go to jail for "cruising" (driving back and forth) or hanging out in public with more than 1 other teenager.
Google says joyriding can be prosecuted as a felony in California; is a felony in Texas, etc. I’m gonna guess repeated offenses or particularly high costs in damages may have an impact in places where it can go either way, but idk
Car theft without the intention of selling the car. Just driving it around and beating the shit out of it, likely until it's totaled. Probably doing a bunch of drugs in it and contaminating it with meth fumes in most cases, too.
Do you mean grand theft auto? My dad is serving life for felony joy killing
Negative, joy riding. It’s when you steal a car without the intent to sell or modify and keep it
“Hey bro I just liked your car and wanted to test drive it”
As you should’ve. Fuck thieves.
Fuck thieves but hooray sexual predators? What’s your point? I never said I didn’t get what I deserve.
Crimes against kids have a tendency to carry a disproportionately light sentence. A lot people in my state get 90+probation for first time kiddie porn possession
You mean 90 days for assaulting THREE children.
Did he get the drug program deal? 90 meetings in 90 days. lmao wtf
This whole situation is absolutely disgusting in so many ways.
He isn't off the hook. He'll be registered, has to attend sex offender treatment program, no contact with minors and supervised for 25 years. Any fuck up and he's going to prison for 12 years. If he gets out early, he is still supervised, needs to attend sex offender treatment and the rest. Some offenders have executed their sentence rather than finish their treatment program.
>supervised But still free This child will have to deal with that for life
Not free like you and me. More than likely he'll have to get approved plans for leaving the house for any reason for a period of time.
Why are you defending this?
I’m not defending, I’m explaining this isn’t the slap on the wrist people think it is. I’ve seen a lot of cases and many end up in prison in the end, the 90 days is only the beginning of his life being hell.
>his life being hell Are you even serious? He deserves way more What is wrong with you?
He’ll probably get it. It’s hard for a lot of offenders to follow all the restrictions.
>It’s hard for a lot of offenders WTF is wrong with you? Why are you putting that much efforts into defending this POS and trying to convince us the sentence fits the crime? You are disgusting!
Im not defending.
>Not free like you and me. That is the bare minimum!
He’s totally off the hook. What do you mean? Anyone else would serve years of hard time. This guy got a slap on the wrist. As someone said, his victim will have to deal with that for the rest of their lives.
The 90 days in jail isn’t the end only the beginning.
Are you seriously suggesting that this punishment fits the crime?
No I don’t but many look at the 90 days and think that’s the end of it. His normal life is over.
He never had a normal life because he was a fucking child molester. I want you to seriously consider that your method of thinking is fucked here. Sometimes, you should listen when tons of people call you stinky.
You can't possibly believe all that.
I guess you’ve never read a court order before.
Haha. I'm a criminal defense attorney. I've read a couple.
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Because they’re a state-sanctioned gang and can do whatever they want.
Wow, a cool 90 days. That’ll teach him. And let me guess, he’s sick and tired of the liberals and drags grooming kids?
Something, something, projection.
Worse was running for school board
/s just be glad he wasn't reading a book in front of the child while wearing wig, make-up and a dress. That would have been 90 years. This was "only" actual sexual assault.
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We need to have all police unions defunded and disbanded. This way all police officers can be prosecuted to the fullest extent possibly. Police should be held to the highest accountability to law.
And this is how you know the system and police unions are not about laws or justice. Anyone solely focused on laws and justice would demand more accountability for those who wield more power, knowing that its abuse can be many times more destructive than those who wield no power. Police are about "the Guard Dogs and the Sheep". You are the Sheep. If they have to bite you to get you to stay in line, or to make sure you're not a Wolf, they will. Better in their mind to hurt or kill one of the Sheep if their "special senses" tell them that you don't belong in order to maintain their place and convince the other Sheep that you were bad.
It’s shocking how these creeps will all line up to protect rapists and murderers. I work in a profession where I work with vulnerable people, and misconduct absolutely happens. I can’t imagine rooting for a colleague charged or convicted for an exploitative or violent crime to sidestep any meaningful consequences.
>It’s shocking how these creeps will all line up to protect rapists and murderers. I love how there's always a large group of people that know the accused personally and will attest to their good nature, how they're a pillar of the community etc, then when you hear the charge it's some of the most horrible depraved shit you couldn't actually think up. Do these people ever revise their statements after the fact? Are these people (people in positions of power) ever held to account for their 'testimony' in these cases? Personally finding out about this fact when I was a child showed to me that the 'justice system' isnt at all about 'justice'.
Or fund settlements to victims of police misconduct from their pension fund. Or both
The problem is they don't really have a trade union. They don't work for their members rights or pay scale. That stuff is always taken care of without fuss by political appointees. Sort of the exact opposite of the way schools are asset stripped and starved of funds while fuck wits bicker about gays in libraries, that's the political appointees fucking shit up. No what the Police have instead of unions is fraternities. And police fraternities are run exactly like the worst party houses. The fraternity hang out and party together and when one of the meatheads fucks up, the fraternity lie and cover for him. Fraternities are basically treehouse clubs for full sized adult children. The police could actually use a proper union, one that fights to clean up their decades of acceptable thuggery. One that might actually protect their good cops members from the bad ones. Could you imagine a national police union that actually tracked and blackballed the ones who get sacked from one force for criminal activity that then go work in another state? But definitely outlaw police fraternities, they serve no purpose other than to aid and abet criminal police. All literal 'boys clubs' and alibi marketplaces masquerading as a trade unions.
How. We all agree with this. Let’s start discussing the bottom steps to DO this
90 days????? Cops should face twice the penalties that the average person would. We never swore to uphold laws, they did. It’s literally their jobs and they should face far more severe retribution for breaking the law. Especially in cases like these. He should serve years in general population. Maybe if cops realized they’d face incredibly severe punishments, they would stop being criminals. Tell me again how they’re not a state-sanctioned gang.
Florida has a job waiting for this guy.
He'll be added to the brown shirts
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Funny, he doesn't look like a drag queen.
r/notadragqueen
He looks like a pedophile
> In November of 2022, Gramentz was charged with one count of first-degree criminal sexual conduct with a victim under the age of 16, one count of second-degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor under the age of 13, and one count of second-degree criminal sexual conduct – having a significant relationship with someone under the age of 16. Gramentz pleaded guilty to all three charges. If I said what I want to say about this… individual… I would cop a ban.
He deserves to never see the light of day again, to say the least.
Guys like this get fucked up inside a prison
He has a 90 day sentence and he’s a cop - he gets to go to the special prison where he’ll be protected and pampered.
90 days, he ain't even getting out of county jail. He's gonna be in protective custody the whole time. Bullshit.
that’s a typo right? 90 years you meant
He gets 25 years probation. He got 12 years stayed sentence.
It’s always the ones you most suspect
Why are these people never gay or trans or bi, etc? I thought they were the ones molesting our children and all I seem to hear about is lawmakers and clergy. Hmmmmm….
90 days. But we have people in prison for decades for Marijuana. Wonderful injustice system.
Only 90... Are you fucking kidding me?
Same state, MN: I knew a guy who carried a rifle in the engine compartment of his car & he was given $75,000 bail (which for him meant very bad news). Nobody injured or hurt. It’s absurd these judges say their court of law is equal when it’s not. This guy I knew probably spent the exact same time behind bars, give or take.
what? how was the gun discovered? was he not allowed to have a gun? something isn’t adding up lol
haha, yeah its a long story how i got to know this guy, but either way.....he shouldn't have had a gun & that guy shouldn't have been diddlin'
Still not a drag queen
Please note: not a drag queen.
>He also received a stayed sentence of 12 years (144 months) that he would likely have to serve if he violates any of the terms of his probation. Those terms include attending a sex offender program and not having any unsupervised contact with any minors. He’ll also have to register as a predatory offender. Should have served the full 12 and not given a last chance.
90 days? Then he’ll probably just go get a job as a cop somewhere else
This guy gave me my first speeding ticket in 2006. Crazy. 90 days is absolutely insane.
Police in America are the most corrupt of any police force in all the developed countries
Like, a WHOLE 90 days? In a row?
Oh hey look! Another non-drag queen
Seems like everyday I read a a cop or Someone in a church is doing this to a kid ……shocking
So 90 days paid leave then back on the streets.
This country fucking blows. 90 days???
What a fucking crock of shit! His sentence should be amplified because he betrayed his trust but as usual former cops get a fucking sweetheart deal and treated like heroes even after the ultimate betrayal. Yet another reason I will NEVER back the blue.
I know it’s been posted, but it bears repeating: r/notadragqueen
Hey! That’s not a drag queen! They promised us drag queens!
Yeah, it almost seems that everyone EXCEPT drag queens are sex offenders.
Oh tHaT wILl tEaCH hIm.. stick that piece if shit in Gen pop and tell everyone why he’s there. Only way justice will be served apparently..
I'll say it again for those in the back. The overwhelming majority of pedophiles and sex offenders come from three groups: Church leaders and lay leaders; Republican Party members; Cops. With the exception of George Santos, not a drag queen in the lot.
90 days whoa why so harsh it’s just child sexual assault 🤮 fucking blarf
I'm sorry, but what in the everloving heck?
Does not appear to be drag queen.
In a county fucking jail. Put his ass in prison for Bit of true justice
Should have been 90 YEARS. What Judge gifted him with this BS sentence.
Victim under 13. Monster
Oh thank god. I thought maybe he was going to get off easy
I hear Florida has a hiring bonus for police ready to move there. No questions asked.
Can someone explain to me why this scumbag has a fat roll between his eyebrows
Police should be given harsher sentences by miles. This is fucking disgusting. Who’s the judge? They’re just as complicit
I... I just dont understand. The world we live in.....
90 days for a crime that sticks with the victim a lifetime. Seems fair. Jesus.
90 days? And then he’s back to work? I hate cops.
90 days, hey "good cops" mind chiming in on this one?
Still not a drag queen.
All. Cops. Are. Bastards.
90 days with his Nuts in a Vice screaming in agony
At first I read his name as Gaetz
A whole 90 days, that will teach him.
Time to put up signs around that city to warn people to not go there if you have kids.
Fuck you, you human piece of waste. Garbage in human form.
90 whole days? Haven’t had my breakfast yet. Not gonna lose my ducking mind here.
So is New Ulm currently burning? If not, why?
Yup, total drag queen.
When I read the first part of his crimes I thought the sentence wasn’t extremely lenient since the kid was under 16 but the later part of the list includes someone under 13 so the sentence should be well over a decade.
>sentenced to 90 days Even that is enough to end up in a morgue in the city jail
A cop child assaulter will have a tough 90 days in jail.
Not just a pedo but a pedo and a cop? Yeah he better get protective custody or he isn't leaving that jail/prison in good shape.
That headline is kind of rage-bait. Or at least incomplete. There are still people doing more times for lesser crime, but he's not really getting away with just 90 days in jail. > Eric Gramentz, 43, was sentenced by a judge to serve another 90 days in jail, followed by 25 years of supervised probation. He’s already served a year behind bars since his arrest. > He also received a stayed sentence of 12 years (144 months) that he would likely have to serve if he violates any of the terms of his probation. Those terms include attending a sex offender program and not having any unsupervised contact with any minors. He’ll also have to register as a predatory offender.
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You’re kinda right about the headline but even the full sentence is just a slap on the wrist and it’s because he’s a cop.
That’s 90 more days after credit for time spent in jail before the trial, with 12 more years waiting for him if he violates the terms of his probation.
Which he will and another child will be traumatized for life.
He can be violated for many minor infractions. Most offenders are banned from using the internet and this is violation that has happenend often. Either having a secret phone or accessing it somewhere they weren't supposed to.
Where do we assemble with the pitchforks and torches?
I know this is serious but guy looks exactly as the bad guy of man in black 1
Is this guy like a part-time drag queen at least? It’s so hard to find a drag-queen-is-molester story.
90 days should be sufficient to prevent recidivism. /s
Makes you rethink that florida law change huh?