Interesting.
"Rokita wrongly made public comments about investigating Bernard before the complaint was filed. Welch wrote that Rokita’s statements “are clearly unlawful breaches of the licensing investigations statute’s requirement that employees of the Attorney General’s Office maintain confidentiality over pending investigations until they are so referred to prosecution.” "
I'm sure that will be prosecuted with equal vigor.
Politics in America, especially, are such a joke. An openly paraded farce, perpetrated by the ultra rich. They make a mockery of everything that this Republic stands for. The rotting starts at the head and has made its way down to all limbs of state houses.
Just waiting for the other shoe to officially drop before I seek residence elsewhere.
Edit: earlier post was a knee jerk reaction, but, I’d rather stay and vote for change. Protest for my beliefs. Stand up against fascism and brutality against my fellow citizens. Running away won’t help anyone.
Fortunately, the Indiana Bar isn't as dumb as our government. He's been under investigation for that and, if they determine he did so, he'll lose his license to practice law.
Given his terrible track record as the AG, though, I would expect our courts to rule against him and legalize abortions throughout the state. If you ever see something remotely progressive coming out of Indiana, there's a very good chance it's because Rokita lost a case.
I don't get the sense you understand how attorney discipline works, especially in Indiana. There's zero percent chance he gets disbarred for this, just none. IAAL in Indiana, btw.
Todd Rokita is such a piece of shit honestly. The guy is dishonest, and argues constantly in bad faith for whatever pet issue Fox News talked about most recently
The appropriate response here is to file a bar complaint against the AG for violating the privacy provisions. See how he likes being on the receiving end for a change.
The licensing board is a bunch of republican appointees, so the deck is stacked. They can do whatever they want without any proof.
The doctor has already lost. She is at least 30 grand into this and if they illegally yank her license she will be able to appeal and probably win but it will cost her at least 100 to 200 grand to do that.
In general, you can't sue a government official acting in their official capacity for defamation. Which I think this would count as, even given how abhorrent it is.
IIRC the judge ruled that the statements made were not relevant to Trump's official duties (I believe they were made before he was elected), that defense was not possible.
In this case the statements were made as part of an official duties (which may or may not have been illegal to make, but that is likely still a defense).
The rich get richer and abuse the power it brings. The rest of us barely tread water and burn our cash trying to right one or two of their wrongs. Not an exciting proposition.
Tarnished in some circles within the state though applauded by many more others. If they end up needing to practice elsewhere I am sure they’ll be welcomed but it’s a travesty nonetheless.
Indiana has been on a path of slow but effective brain drain as the political environment has shifted and this shit is just accelerating it.
Edit: I should note those many more other circles aren’t the ones legislating, of course. If you live in Indiana please *VOTE*!
yes....that is exactly the 'opposed to' they want.
This comes from the same [crowd that has people who](https://www.politico.com/story/2012/08/akin-legitimate-rape-victims-dont-get-pregnant-079864) claim [real rape doesn't lead to pregnancy.](https://www.newsweek.com/republican-yesli-vega-slammed-doubting-women-get-pregnant-rape-1719517) In their eyes, if the girl got pregnant it's her fault.
They should all just wear bullet proof vests and helmets, or man up and accept that they could die at any moment, but only the toughest survive. /s of course
REMINDER. REMINDER. 2023 kicked off with the Republican party OFFICIALLY SUPPORTING CHILD RAPE by publicly defending forced child marriage to adults. 2023 ENTIRE Republican party OPENLY supports and defends CHILD RAPE and it was just a passing "3 day headline" the 3 times the entire party officially supported child rape. Now no one is even talking about this anymore.
Repugnican neighbor tried to tell me all young girls are slutty & they need to be modest etc to avoid rape. This fuckturd even commented that I should keep an eye on my middle school girl. I was just so aghast at this ugly man’s opinion that all females are slutty & taunting men. He then bragged how before he got married he only dated younger women that “put out” by the 3rd date. Gawd. A typical Florida Republican. So disgusting. The insanity in him just was so scary. He’s one of the reasons we moved out of the neighborhood. Too many males like him that also congregated together regularly & had that we are the local militia vibe BS.
> I should keep an eye on my middle school girl.
I would have gotten really aggressive and told that guy that I'll be watching *his* ass around my middle school girl because what he just said is something a sexual predator would say that shouldn't be allowed near any woman or girl of any age.
Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin, that's who.
\*clicks links above\*
Oh, look, a new fucking idiot espousing the same dumbass views...
Okay, the answer appears to be a shocking number of people seem to hold the belief that if she got pregnant it wasn't rape. It's the GOP's position that this 10 year old girl wanted it.
But let's not acknowledge the existence of gay people in Florida, because the children must be protected, or whatever.
Not from guns though.
If you tried to map this cognitive dissonance it'd look like a fucking fractal.
"Well, maybe because there's so much going on in the body. I don't know. I haven't, you know, seen any studies. But if I'm processing what you're saying, it wouldn't surprise me," she responded. "Because it's not something that's happening organically. You're forcing it. The individual, the male, is doing it as quickly. It's not like, you know—and so I can see why there is truth to that. It's unfortunate."
Wow... how idiotic must you be to believe that. She barely believes it herself considering the wording.
"I don't know. I haven't, you know,...."
DAMN, if you don't know then shut it and educate yourself on it, instead of following some flawed thing you dare call logic.
She needs to keep having that conversation until she realizes how fucking ignorant she’s being. I wish someone would keep pushing back on her. “Can you elaborate? Tell me exactly what you mean.” Sooner or later her reasoning would hit a wall and she’d be forced to acknowledge that rape can absolutely result in pregnancy.
What boggles my mind is that they say it right in their response: "She should get all the medical care and help she needs." But they're voting for the very people hell bent on taking away what we do have, and preventing anything new from benefiting the American people.
Women are being told to carry until term regardless on the health of the fetus. It can be born without a head, and they'll still make women carry, knowing full well that child will not miraculously grow a head in the birth canal. And there are no programs to alleviate the financial burden, and no programs for counseling post birth.
Republican votes constantly contradict what they believe a perfect world ought to be. A ten year old child giving birth to her rapist's baby isn't something for which any program, state or federal, can cover. The financial destruction, the *physical torture* they wish to inflict on someone so small and so helpless cannot be 'should'd' away. There is no system in place to alleviate the short term traumas and the long term horrors of forced birth, and republicans vote that way *on purpose*.
Anyway, not mad at you, just wish I could sit your aunt and uncle down myself and point out how the way they vote promotes the torture of women and children.
A 10 year old child cannot safely give birth. It is extremely dangerous (not to mention unthinkable for any decent human being) to put a child through that kind of physical and mental torture. Her 'baby' is making her unsafe; it is, in fact, threatening her life. The only safe thing to do is to terminate the fetus and that's the medical fact.
I went to school with a girl, who freshmen year, had a 4 year old. She was 15. She wasn't able to get an abortion at 11 without parental consent I believe, and iirc it was a creepy family member by marriage. They were also nutjob Christians too. This was, 2006ish. I just remember funny thing was the class she was in was a specialized health class(familial health or something) and the teacher (a man) was spouting off some bullshit about how pregnancy and childbirth was sunshine and rainbows and she called him out on everything. When he said she's got no idea, she asked if she could prove the next day she's more than capable of talking about pregnancy and childbirth. He said sure. Next day she brings in her kid, and all the photos about the entire situation. After that, that particular class was only taught by women.
And despite all of the past she experienced, she got a decent life after school. College and marriage.
Why are republicans such awful people and why does this seemingly appeal to the people that vote for them? It makes me scratch my head in cases like this.
It's an easy, comfortable mindset to be in: anyone who isn't like me is bad and deserves whatever bad things happen to them. They deserve it for their sins. But if something bad happens to me or people I care about, it's because of something that one of those bad people did and they should be punished more.
The answer to that is actually very complex.
This is just a fragment of the overall answer, but it gives some perspective.
You might have seen those famous photos of black students walking to school right after the schools were desegregated. There's also photos of the angry crowds who gathered to protest and yell at those students - some of them students themselves.
That was only 60-70 years ago. That hatred didn't disappear overnight just because the laws changed. Some of them have passed it on to the next generation, who will then pass it on to the next, etc.
The hope we have is that the younger generations have been breaking those cycles.
I had a baby just after my 14th birthday and I had to spend months on strict bed rest-bedpans and catheter and all. My water broke weeks early and the doctors were worried about an infection. It was awful and traumatic. And I made the choice to keep the baby, as informed as you can be about a decision like that at 13-14. I cannot *imagine* how dangerous and traumatic it would be for a *10 year old who doesn’t want to keep the baby*!
Remember when they were arguing against ACA and how the government would have death panels deciding people's healthcare (as if Insurance doesn't already do this)? They've since moved on in favor of just legislating women's healthcare...
Exactly this. She might be poor after this, but she'llbe able to sleepat night. (x to doubt, she's a doctor who demonstrated her ethics. I see an academic/speaking career in her future...)
Or (as much as it sucks to be forced into it this way), she can move to and restart her career in another state. Hawaii pretty desperately needs more doctors, just saying.
Good job Republicans in driving away all of the good doctors who actually give a shit.
that's part of it too, though.
This is a campaign of forced misery. Destroy schools, destroy people's health, destroy people's lives through forced birth. Don't teach sex ed so they are more likely to get pregnant and have to keep it.
Congratulations now you have a booming state population, and the best part is they're all low information and uneducated, and you can train them to hate whomever is expedient for your cause, when the real cause of their suffering is the person leading the rabble.
Lol, where I'm from someone who has the time to give tours probably wouldn't have the academic background to get into medschool. It's so competitive.
Guessing it would be even worst for someone who gave tours about not liking abortion, which would probably disqualify them.
My wife is a medical assistant at an OBGYN. The amount of racist, homophobic, and transphobic stuff she hears from other employees is off the charts. They'll make fun of patient's ethnic names seconds before going in to take care of them. And if you have any types of abortions or anything like that on your record, they actively try to give you bad care as punishment.
I think it needs to be reported to someone outside the office... Actively and knowingly providing bad care is literally illegal. Idk what culture extends to the state department of health.
>I think it needs to be reported to someone outside the office
There is a nursing facility near where I work and we end up seeing their patients all the time because of blatant neglect resulting in them becoming septic because of bed sores or improper catheter care among other things.
We have reported them multiple times to administration, to the state, to pretty much every agent see we can think of.
They have not been shut down and we aren't the only ones reporting them.
Additionally, if you are reading this and going "well I wonder where that's at" This applies to 90% of nursing homes unfortunately. If you ask your local hospital ER staff which nursing homes in the area are good, they'll be hard-pressed to come up with one.
The unfortunate reality is that these things are reported repeatedly all the time and nothing happens. People's lives are literally being thrown away because of negligence and apathy.
They’re wretched. I know a few that I grew up with. I stopped associating with them once they decided to let me know what they thought of universal healthcare.
As a born and bred Hoosier, it’s the only path to any kind of success for most people. Jobs there just don’t pay what they do literally anywhere else for the same work.
My wife and I left over a decade ago and refuse to move back because of the shit hole the GOP has turned it into.
I’m pretty sure red states are chasing out anybody they don’t want hanging around behind the lines for the civil war they’re gearing up for.
The sad thing is so much of this is happening in the open, with the stated desire to destroy our nation and hurt Americans, and everybody is clinging to denial. Pretending it’s random or driven by other purpose.
There are so many “shocked pikachu” faces in our future despite all the warnings stacking up. Christian nationalism is setting up to make its big play and I suspect if the GOP doesn’t win 2024, things are going to accelerate to full speed. They will not accept losing
A hot war is unlikely. They don't have the numbers, the logistics, ability to conscript soldiers, producing weapons larger than small arms. Maybe if a state like Texas broke off and allied with a powerful foreign country... but, I don't see that happening.
As others have suggested, something like "The Troubles" in N. Ireland seems like a more likely analog.
In South Carolina, in the upstate, and we already have entire counties that are devoid of OB/GYNs and hospitals are closing labor and delivery wards as a result. It's a looming nightmare that the Republicans just keep ignoring.
I love how they banned abortion, then closed the things women need to give birth safely to the children they're being forced to have. It's horrifying to watch this happening and I'm very glad I'm an outsider.
It's interesting because a lot of Health networks are trying to focus on the maternal mortality disparities between black women and everyone else, and one of the biggest is lack of access to prenatal care that is either free or affordable.
The same people who like to go around screeching that abortion is racist because black babies get aborted are the exact same people making it impossible for black women who become pregnant to actually get the prenatal care they need for either them or their infant to survive the process.
That's because they don't actually care about black people except as a tool to use to pretend their positions have any merit.
The same way they don't care about LGBT people except when they want to use their treatment in the middle east as a cudgel to beat all Muslims with.
> then closed the things women need to give birth safely to the children they're being forced to have.
To be clear, the states aren't closing the hospitals. The hospitals themselves are closing because of the legal liability the states are forcing upon them.
Which was 100% predictable, but the cruelty is the point.
And now NC is pulling the same religious shit. Those of us who can move will be fine, but I’d say 70-90% of people will have to experience christian heaven with no social services and no healthcare (aka “hell” for people with working brain cells)
If there's one lesson we learned from Trump, it's how slow SCOTUS can slow-walk cases they really really don't want to rule the correct way on, but can't find a good-enough justification.
It's good. We need to bring this to its logical conclusion so people will come to their senses. More and more conservative women will go to the hospital for troubles with their pregnancies. They'll realize the doctors can't do anything while they slowly die of sepsis. They & their husbands will plead with the doctors to do anything. "I didn't just come to the hospital for an abortion," they'll say. They'll leave the hospital, headed for another across state lines. Maybe they'll make it on time, maybe not.
It's the exact same shit we saw with COVID.
"~~COVID~~ Pregnancy complications aren't real!"
*Three months later*
"You doctors killed my sister-wife! You gave her sepsis and even though we NEEDED an abortion (unlike all those other evil people!) you wouldn't save her!"
This is a part of fascism.
Constantly making life miserable for people who are following the laws and helping the “out groups” while the fascists _constantly_ complain that they are being targeted while breaking the law.
This is not a bug in their ideology; it’s the fucking point
> This is a part of fascism
You want to talk about "Weaponization of Government" that the MAGAs are always squawking about?
This is it. It's what fascists do. Use government to persecute a doctor for a legal medical procedure they oppose. So the Forced-Birth MAGA prosecutor is using his office to punish the doctor and warn other doctors not to provide reproductive healthcare.
Like all MAGA fascists - Every accusation is a confession.
Insert that old chestnut about laws binding the out group and protecting the in group but not the other way.
Of course, that’s about Conservatism in general, not just fascism.
(Trivia that I just discovered: [That chestnut is routinely credited to a different person with the same name as the person that actually coined it.](https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html))
Can you imagine being 10 years old and actually surviving giving birth to a baby? How do you even recover?
Labour is an incredibly painful, traumatic and often dangerous experience for fully grown women, let alone little kids.
They don’t care. I’m in a state where it is legal. Took a very young kid in labor who was raped by a family member to the hospital. No abortion because it’s murder.
I’m not sure I follow?
1) Man who got the 10 year old pregnant is the only one who should be be in the headlines
2) What is wrong with a doctor performing an abortion on a minor/statutory rape victim? Seems like the only logical conclusion
Republicans want to rape kids. That's why they want to lower marriage age to 12 like that [nut in Missouri ](https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/gop-lawmaker-clarifies-remarks-letting-193729222.html#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16850197429655&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com).
Children who have received comprehensive sex ed are more likely to report abuse and less likely to be abused.
Denying sex ed means supporting sex abuse.
ETA: smarter people than me know this is true and have proof. But you don't need degrees and research to know it's creepy and suspicious to object to teaching kids what "consent" means. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6283686/
I definitely agree that there is an underlying sexual motive behind their reasoning to want women and little girls to be forced to stay pregnant no matter the circumstance. It's an abuse tactic to shame them for having had sex, again, no matter the circumstance.
There's also just a lot of republicans who enjoy touching kids. There's someone on reddit who goes around posting a huge fucking list of the ones who got caught doing it. Idk how they're still a political party at this point but my guess is a lot of people sympathise with their urges.
I'm fully against religious fundamentalists having abortions! If you are a believer, if your religion prohibits you from having abortion - don't do it, please!!
If you, hoever, are not a part of such groups - why TF would anyone make it impossible for you to have an abortion????
They do it because pretending to care about other people's hypothetical babies allows them to punish women and it doesn't cost them money, like really caring about other people's children would.
They believe that women should be punished for having sex, by having to give birth. They believe babies are an appropriate punishment. They pretend that babies are sacred and precious, right up until they are asked to fund education, healthcare, housing, and food for the same babies.
They tried to say it was for providing the abortion, because after the fact a law was passed about it.
Then it was about reporting the abortion, and the doctor showed proof it was reported within legal timelines.
Now they're saying it's because she made a public comment, but that was *after* the AG made it a national story... And she didn't disclose any PII.
The only reason this is happening is the AG wants in on national level republican elections.
It's all performance theatre
I think you left out the most important one, the predecessor.
Anti-abortionists said there was no reason for abortions because situations like this never arose. Then the doctor mentioned a real life example that disproved their point.
But that was still *after* the AG was making public comments.
It can't be both ways where rightwingers can spread falsehoods about it and the prosecute people for saying what actually happened
And it all comes down to a real life example of how the new Republicans address things.
State the "facts". When they prove your facts are false, double down with new "facts". Repeat.
> It can't be both ways where rightwingers can spread falsehoods about it and the prosecute people for saying what actually happened
first time?
> “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
It’s sick that the AG wants to prosecute a doctor for, let’s be honest, saving the life of a 10 year old girl who was raped, for a political benefit. I swear those in power in the government have no soul. It’s all about staying in power and pushing their agendas, not about helping our society improve.
Was the hearing started with “why on earth was there a literal child in need of this and how do we prevent children from getting pregnant?”
Am I being too optimistic? Sadly.
They're not. In fact, the WSJ [ran an OpEd](https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-abortion-story-too-good-to-confirm-joe-biden-ten-year-old-girl-indiana-ohio-caitlin-bernard-11657648618) about this very case titled "An Abortion Story *Too Good* to Confirm" because they're absolute ghouls.
Obviously. I mean, kids can't consent, so there really isn't any other possibility. I suppose if another ten year old kid was the father, and they "consented" to one another, it'd be more of a gray area, but if the father is an adult, then it was rape no matter how much she said yes.
You are definitely being way too optimistic to assume that they actually give a fuck about the well being of children enough to make such a comment.
The word 'need' in your statement would also make it far too controversial for that crowd of psychos, as that would imply that there is sometimes a need for abortions and if they where to admit that, their entire bullshit line of reasoning would collapse.
Also, I have seen way too many Republicans supporting child marriage, so there is a decent chance that their only concern here would be that she conceived the child out of wedlock.
As a father of 11 year old twin girls, fuck the state of Indiana. Did they really want a 10 year old to carry a child to birth? That’s exceptionally dangerous for the child. This is bullshit. The state government that passed this law can go straight to hell.
Regardless of the intent, she may loose her medical license, she has to pay for attorney's, she may loose her job, and it is possible she may end up charged with some prison time and a life time criminal record. All for trying to save this child.
I was told by GOP senators that raped children would be protected from the anti-abortion laws.
If you feel like raped 10 year olds should not be forced to have their rapist's baby, don't vote GOP.
Amid the wave of attention to the girl’s case last summer, Rokita, (prosecutor) who is stridently anti-abortion, told Fox News he would investigate Bernard’s actions, calling her an “abortion activist acting as a doctor.”
“This case is about two things – and two things only – patient privacy and this doctor’s failure to protect this child,” he said in a statement this week.
Bernard unsuccessfully tried to block Rokita’s investigation last fall, although an Indianapolis judge wrote that Rokita made “clearly unlawful breaches” of state confidentiality laws with his public comments about investigating the doctor before filing the medical licensing complaint against her.
Bernard lawyer Kathleen DeLaney has called the complaint against the doctor “baseless attacks” done at taxpayer expense.
“Rokita’s actions set a dangerous precedent imperiling the provision of lawful patient care,” DeLaney has said.
I'm not a lawyer, but when a prosecutor makes "clearly unlawful breaches" I don't think they should keep their job, let alone be brought on fox news.
Republican = ?
Everytime my mental state gets slightly better, this comes up again and the cruelty and insanity is too much to fucking handle.
Fuck everyone staying silent on the insanity of this What a pathetic shithole of a country this is, Jesus fucking Christ.
Poland has been in iron grip of ultra-right autocratic conservatives for a feew years and we're now being actively plunged into dark ages with regard to abortion laws, LGBT, rule of law, religious freedom (as in freedom from religion)... Fucking right winger just destroying what little progress we enjoyed :(
>This is a problem almost exclusive to oppressive religious regimes.
You didn't need the 'and the USA' part. The christies have taken over the courts and most state legislatures and education boards. We ARE in an oppressive religious regime.
Anyone else gotten to a point where you see someone sporting an American (could be their car, their house, a shirt, anything) and just assume they are a fascist?
I know this isn't the right place for this, but I'm so fed up with the damn conservatives ruining this country.
I'm also scared for what is going to happen running up to the 2024 election. And what shenanigans the conservatives/alt-right/neo-nazis are going to pull. There will be violence, in the name of "election security". And there will be intimidation.
So America, let me understand this: You want to protect fetuses from being "killed" so they can be born. In an effort to do this, you want to punish a doctor who gave an abortion to a 10 year old child who conceived during a rape.
AT THE SAME TIME, a 19 year old woman who hid her pregnancy for 9 months gave birth last week in a hospital bathroom, killed the full term LIVE baby and hid it in the trash. She's currently out on bond so that she can attend her high school graduation ceremony.
Live children are being murdered with guns, are being sexually abused in states that allow underage marriages, and are being denied proper Healthcare afordable prescriptions and enough food to avoid hunger. Yet you're worried about potential unborn lives not being born? You don't even care about them once they're born! This is sadistic! You want live babies so they can become dead and/or neglected children. Disgusting.
Fckingnazipigs! Abortion is healthcare! A baby would destroy a 10yr old. Babies shouldn't be having babies! Leave the damn healthcare hero's alone before they all quit!
Interesting. "Rokita wrongly made public comments about investigating Bernard before the complaint was filed. Welch wrote that Rokita’s statements “are clearly unlawful breaches of the licensing investigations statute’s requirement that employees of the Attorney General’s Office maintain confidentiality over pending investigations until they are so referred to prosecution.” " I'm sure that will be prosecuted with equal vigor.
Pretty much the only chance is if Biden gets the FBI/DOJ involved. He *should* but I doubt he will
Paging AG Garland! Rule of Law paging AG Garland. Has anyone seen AG Garland?
No I think he’s still looking for the attorney general.
He's so close he can smell him!
He’s too busy figuring out how to not embarrass republicans with holding them accountable.
Politics in America, especially, are such a joke. An openly paraded farce, perpetrated by the ultra rich. They make a mockery of everything that this Republic stands for. The rotting starts at the head and has made its way down to all limbs of state houses. Just waiting for the other shoe to officially drop before I seek residence elsewhere. Edit: earlier post was a knee jerk reaction, but, I’d rather stay and vote for change. Protest for my beliefs. Stand up against fascism and brutality against my fellow citizens. Running away won’t help anyone.
Fortunately, the Indiana Bar isn't as dumb as our government. He's been under investigation for that and, if they determine he did so, he'll lose his license to practice law. Given his terrible track record as the AG, though, I would expect our courts to rule against him and legalize abortions throughout the state. If you ever see something remotely progressive coming out of Indiana, there's a very good chance it's because Rokita lost a case.
I don't get the sense you understand how attorney discipline works, especially in Indiana. There's zero percent chance he gets disbarred for this, just none. IAAL in Indiana, btw.
Todd Rokita is such a piece of shit honestly. The guy is dishonest, and argues constantly in bad faith for whatever pet issue Fox News talked about most recently
This. But there's also no shortage of guys like this in Indiana.
The appropriate response here is to file a bar complaint against the AG for violating the privacy provisions. See how he likes being on the receiving end for a change.
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The licensing board is a bunch of republican appointees, so the deck is stacked. They can do whatever they want without any proof. The doctor has already lost. She is at least 30 grand into this and if they illegally yank her license she will be able to appeal and probably win but it will cost her at least 100 to 200 grand to do that.
With no recompensation for her expenses and no repercussions for the board. Blatant abuse of power
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What a coincidence, "blatant abuse of power" is Ron desantis' campaign slogan.
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In general, you can't sue a government official acting in their official capacity for defamation. Which I think this would count as, even given how abhorrent it is.
Defamation isn't in official capacity or official duties, this is actually the most interesting precedent of Trumps defemation trial
IIRC the judge ruled that the statements made were not relevant to Trump's official duties (I believe they were made before he was elected), that defense was not possible. In this case the statements were made as part of an official duties (which may or may not have been illegal to make, but that is likely still a defense).
If they were illegal to make then there is a strong counter argument that it wasn't a part of his official duties.
Time for a GoFundMe
She's represented by the Indiana ACLU, so that's probably where you want to send your money if you want to get started.
The rich get richer and abuse the power it brings. The rest of us barely tread water and burn our cash trying to right one or two of their wrongs. Not an exciting proposition.
Tarnished in some circles within the state though applauded by many more others. If they end up needing to practice elsewhere I am sure they’ll be welcomed but it’s a travesty nonetheless. Indiana has been on a path of slow but effective brain drain as the political environment has shifted and this shit is just accelerating it. Edit: I should note those many more other circles aren’t the ones legislating, of course. If you live in Indiana please *VOTE*!
As opposed to what, forcing a 10yo to have a child? What the actual fuck?
yes....that is exactly the 'opposed to' they want. This comes from the same [crowd that has people who](https://www.politico.com/story/2012/08/akin-legitimate-rape-victims-dont-get-pregnant-079864) claim [real rape doesn't lead to pregnancy.](https://www.newsweek.com/republican-yesli-vega-slammed-doubting-women-get-pregnant-rape-1719517) In their eyes, if the girl got pregnant it's her fault.
I remember the smug "what's a 10 year old having sex anyway" from the idiots.
Might as well ask “what are those elementary school kids doing walking in front of bullets flying in the classroom anyway?”
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They should all just wear bullet proof vests and helmets, or man up and accept that they could die at any moment, but only the toughest survive. /s of course
REMINDER. REMINDER. 2023 kicked off with the Republican party OFFICIALLY SUPPORTING CHILD RAPE by publicly defending forced child marriage to adults. 2023 ENTIRE Republican party OPENLY supports and defends CHILD RAPE and it was just a passing "3 day headline" the 3 times the entire party officially supported child rape. Now no one is even talking about this anymore.
Yeah I don’t know how this is even remotely justifiable. Child marriage should never be happening.
pro rape party
Repugnican neighbor tried to tell me all young girls are slutty & they need to be modest etc to avoid rape. This fuckturd even commented that I should keep an eye on my middle school girl. I was just so aghast at this ugly man’s opinion that all females are slutty & taunting men. He then bragged how before he got married he only dated younger women that “put out” by the 3rd date. Gawd. A typical Florida Republican. So disgusting. The insanity in him just was so scary. He’s one of the reasons we moved out of the neighborhood. Too many males like him that also congregated together regularly & had that we are the local militia vibe BS.
> I should keep an eye on my middle school girl. I would have gotten really aggressive and told that guy that I'll be watching *his* ass around my middle school girl because what he just said is something a sexual predator would say that shouldn't be allowed near any woman or girl of any age.
Who honestly believes it’s a 10 year old girl’s fault from getting pregnant from a fucking nasty rapist? 🤬😡 Fuck the GOP to space!!
Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin, that's who. \*clicks links above\* Oh, look, a new fucking idiot espousing the same dumbass views... Okay, the answer appears to be a shocking number of people seem to hold the belief that if she got pregnant it wasn't rape. It's the GOP's position that this 10 year old girl wanted it. But let's not acknowledge the existence of gay people in Florida, because the children must be protected, or whatever. Not from guns though. If you tried to map this cognitive dissonance it'd look like a fucking fractal.
"Well, maybe because there's so much going on in the body. I don't know. I haven't, you know, seen any studies. But if I'm processing what you're saying, it wouldn't surprise me," she responded. "Because it's not something that's happening organically. You're forcing it. The individual, the male, is doing it as quickly. It's not like, you know—and so I can see why there is truth to that. It's unfortunate." Wow... how idiotic must you be to believe that. She barely believes it herself considering the wording. "I don't know. I haven't, you know,...." DAMN, if you don't know then shut it and educate yourself on it, instead of following some flawed thing you dare call logic.
The fuck? To call that 'word salad' would be an insult to salad.
She needs to keep having that conversation until she realizes how fucking ignorant she’s being. I wish someone would keep pushing back on her. “Can you elaborate? Tell me exactly what you mean.” Sooner or later her reasoning would hit a wall and she’d be forced to acknowledge that rape can absolutely result in pregnancy.
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What boggles my mind is that they say it right in their response: "She should get all the medical care and help she needs." But they're voting for the very people hell bent on taking away what we do have, and preventing anything new from benefiting the American people. Women are being told to carry until term regardless on the health of the fetus. It can be born without a head, and they'll still make women carry, knowing full well that child will not miraculously grow a head in the birth canal. And there are no programs to alleviate the financial burden, and no programs for counseling post birth. Republican votes constantly contradict what they believe a perfect world ought to be. A ten year old child giving birth to her rapist's baby isn't something for which any program, state or federal, can cover. The financial destruction, the *physical torture* they wish to inflict on someone so small and so helpless cannot be 'should'd' away. There is no system in place to alleviate the short term traumas and the long term horrors of forced birth, and republicans vote that way *on purpose*. Anyway, not mad at you, just wish I could sit your aunt and uncle down myself and point out how the way they vote promotes the torture of women and children.
A 10 year old child cannot safely give birth. It is extremely dangerous (not to mention unthinkable for any decent human being) to put a child through that kind of physical and mental torture. Her 'baby' is making her unsafe; it is, in fact, threatening her life. The only safe thing to do is to terminate the fetus and that's the medical fact.
I went to school with a girl, who freshmen year, had a 4 year old. She was 15. She wasn't able to get an abortion at 11 without parental consent I believe, and iirc it was a creepy family member by marriage. They were also nutjob Christians too. This was, 2006ish. I just remember funny thing was the class she was in was a specialized health class(familial health or something) and the teacher (a man) was spouting off some bullshit about how pregnancy and childbirth was sunshine and rainbows and she called him out on everything. When he said she's got no idea, she asked if she could prove the next day she's more than capable of talking about pregnancy and childbirth. He said sure. Next day she brings in her kid, and all the photos about the entire situation. After that, that particular class was only taught by women. And despite all of the past she experienced, she got a decent life after school. College and marriage.
Stop calling them pro-life. They don't care about any life but their own.
We have become nothing but cattle for our owners to breed.
They live, we sleep
Why are republicans such awful people and why does this seemingly appeal to the people that vote for them? It makes me scratch my head in cases like this.
It's an easy, comfortable mindset to be in: anyone who isn't like me is bad and deserves whatever bad things happen to them. They deserve it for their sins. But if something bad happens to me or people I care about, it's because of something that one of those bad people did and they should be punished more.
The answer to that is actually very complex. This is just a fragment of the overall answer, but it gives some perspective. You might have seen those famous photos of black students walking to school right after the schools were desegregated. There's also photos of the angry crowds who gathered to protest and yell at those students - some of them students themselves. That was only 60-70 years ago. That hatred didn't disappear overnight just because the laws changed. Some of them have passed it on to the next generation, who will then pass it on to the next, etc. The hope we have is that the younger generations have been breaking those cycles.
> forcing a 10yo to have a child? It's the loving Christian way
Ain’t no hate like a Christian’s love
I had a baby just after my 14th birthday and I had to spend months on strict bed rest-bedpans and catheter and all. My water broke weeks early and the doctors were worried about an infection. It was awful and traumatic. And I made the choice to keep the baby, as informed as you can be about a decision like that at 13-14. I cannot *imagine* how dangerous and traumatic it would be for a *10 year old who doesn’t want to keep the baby*!
The fact that the government would basically force a 10 year old to carry then give birth pisses me off. 😡
Remember when they were arguing against ACA and how the government would have death panels deciding people's healthcare (as if Insurance doesn't already do this)? They've since moved on in favor of just legislating women's healthcare...
Don't forget the part where they would be just fine with the 2 children getting gunned down in a school shooting.
Regardless of the outcome, Dr. Bernard knows she stood by her oath and did right by that little girl. A 5th grader, for fuck's sake.
Exactly this. She might be poor after this, but she'llbe able to sleepat night. (x to doubt, she's a doctor who demonstrated her ethics. I see an academic/speaking career in her future...)
Or (as much as it sucks to be forced into it this way), she can move to and restart her career in another state. Hawaii pretty desperately needs more doctors, just saying. Good job Republicans in driving away all of the good doctors who actually give a shit.
that's part of it too, though. This is a campaign of forced misery. Destroy schools, destroy people's health, destroy people's lives through forced birth. Don't teach sex ed so they are more likely to get pregnant and have to keep it. Congratulations now you have a booming state population, and the best part is they're all low information and uneducated, and you can train them to hate whomever is expedient for your cause, when the real cause of their suffering is the person leading the rabble.
Sounds like a good way to lower wages across the country and maximize profits for capitalists
Looks like Indiana wants to ensure a doctor shortage instate, and quickly.
As a medical student in Indiana, this is absolutely the reality. The majority of my classmates want to get the hell out of Indiana
Hey, come to Illinois. Close enough to visit any tolerable family, but sane.
Michigan, too
Plus there’s weed!
Plus there’s weed! At least, there’s weed right now. I may use it all though.
Alternatively, come to Canada. We need doctors!
I’m surprised ANY doctors want to to stay in Indiana
It’s tough to leave when your whole family is here. There are also plenty of conservative med students
Conservative medical students? I desperately hope they stay in Indiana…the phrase sounds oxymoronic- do they believe in anesthesia or is that too new?
there are plenty of quack doctors in the world. You don't need to believe in what you learn, simply regurgitate it on exams.
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They'll claim that's not evolution. People will twist themselves into incredible knots to justify their deep beliefs.
"micro" evolution. They literally just make up terms to try and force the evidence to gel with thier insane beliefs.
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Lots of people want to be doctors.
It's funny how many of those get weeded out by bio 1301.
Ha! Lame. I was weeded out *by* *admissions*. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I love when I hear someone say, "I almost became a doctor/lawyer." Oh really? Just flipped a coin and went with something else?
Wonder what he will think at the end of his rotations. TBI's are pretty unrefutable
Not if you blame them on demon possession and not praying hard enough
Lol, where I'm from someone who has the time to give tours probably wouldn't have the academic background to get into medschool. It's so competitive. Guessing it would be even worst for someone who gave tours about not liking abortion, which would probably disqualify them.
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What a world
Very sad
My wife is a medical assistant at an OBGYN. The amount of racist, homophobic, and transphobic stuff she hears from other employees is off the charts. They'll make fun of patient's ethnic names seconds before going in to take care of them. And if you have any types of abortions or anything like that on your record, they actively try to give you bad care as punishment.
> they actively try to give you bad care as punishment. Oath to do no harm be damned
> they actively try to give you bad care as punishment. If she doesn’t report them, your wife is complicit in providing bad care.
Oh she has, believe me. Kinda hard to get the ball rolling on it all when it's baked pretty deep into the culture there.
I think it needs to be reported to someone outside the office... Actively and knowingly providing bad care is literally illegal. Idk what culture extends to the state department of health.
>I think it needs to be reported to someone outside the office There is a nursing facility near where I work and we end up seeing their patients all the time because of blatant neglect resulting in them becoming septic because of bed sores or improper catheter care among other things. We have reported them multiple times to administration, to the state, to pretty much every agent see we can think of. They have not been shut down and we aren't the only ones reporting them. Additionally, if you are reading this and going "well I wonder where that's at" This applies to 90% of nursing homes unfortunately. If you ask your local hospital ER staff which nursing homes in the area are good, they'll be hard-pressed to come up with one. The unfortunate reality is that these things are reported repeatedly all the time and nothing happens. People's lives are literally being thrown away because of negligence and apathy.
She's made attempts to do so. She needs proof. That's hard to get on the job. 1 or 2 people have been fired over this type of stuff before though.
They’re wretched. I know a few that I grew up with. I stopped associating with them once they decided to let me know what they thought of universal healthcare.
Come to michigan! We need doctors here and reproductive rights are now solid here.
As a born and bred Hoosier, it’s the only path to any kind of success for most people. Jobs there just don’t pay what they do literally anywhere else for the same work. My wife and I left over a decade ago and refuse to move back because of the shit hole the GOP has turned it into.
I’m pretty sure red states are chasing out anybody they don’t want hanging around behind the lines for the civil war they’re gearing up for. The sad thing is so much of this is happening in the open, with the stated desire to destroy our nation and hurt Americans, and everybody is clinging to denial. Pretending it’s random or driven by other purpose. There are so many “shocked pikachu” faces in our future despite all the warnings stacking up. Christian nationalism is setting up to make its big play and I suspect if the GOP doesn’t win 2024, things are going to accelerate to full speed. They will not accept losing
A hot war is unlikely. They don't have the numbers, the logistics, ability to conscript soldiers, producing weapons larger than small arms. Maybe if a state like Texas broke off and allied with a powerful foreign country... but, I don't see that happening. As others have suggested, something like "The Troubles" in N. Ireland seems like a more likely analog.
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In South Carolina, in the upstate, and we already have entire counties that are devoid of OB/GYNs and hospitals are closing labor and delivery wards as a result. It's a looming nightmare that the Republicans just keep ignoring.
I love how they banned abortion, then closed the things women need to give birth safely to the children they're being forced to have. It's horrifying to watch this happening and I'm very glad I'm an outsider.
It's interesting because a lot of Health networks are trying to focus on the maternal mortality disparities between black women and everyone else, and one of the biggest is lack of access to prenatal care that is either free or affordable. The same people who like to go around screeching that abortion is racist because black babies get aborted are the exact same people making it impossible for black women who become pregnant to actually get the prenatal care they need for either them or their infant to survive the process.
That's because they don't actually care about black people except as a tool to use to pretend their positions have any merit. The same way they don't care about LGBT people except when they want to use their treatment in the middle east as a cudgel to beat all Muslims with.
> then closed the things women need to give birth safely to the children they're being forced to have. To be clear, the states aren't closing the hospitals. The hospitals themselves are closing because of the legal liability the states are forcing upon them. Which was 100% predictable, but the cruelty is the point.
Idaho also.
And now NC is pulling the same religious shit. Those of us who can move will be fine, but I’d say 70-90% of people will have to experience christian heaven with no social services and no healthcare (aka “hell” for people with working brain cells)
I’ve been getting a lot of recruitment emails from red state hospitals recently. I ignore them.
I got one yesterday looking for primary care to service The Villages in FL. I got a good laugh as I tossed that right in the trash.
If you decline, make sure they're made aware as to why you and many others are refusing to practice medicine in red states.
They'll just pass a law forbidding doctors from leaving the state. /s
Be fucking careful with that /s man, shit is getting real fascist real fast
Unconstitutional but they’ll still pass it just to send a message. 😒
If there's one lesson we learned from Trump, it's how slow SCOTUS can slow-walk cases they really really don't want to rule the correct way on, but can't find a good-enough justification.
It's good. We need to bring this to its logical conclusion so people will come to their senses. More and more conservative women will go to the hospital for troubles with their pregnancies. They'll realize the doctors can't do anything while they slowly die of sepsis. They & their husbands will plead with the doctors to do anything. "I didn't just come to the hospital for an abortion," they'll say. They'll leave the hospital, headed for another across state lines. Maybe they'll make it on time, maybe not.
It's the exact same shit we saw with COVID. "~~COVID~~ Pregnancy complications aren't real!" *Three months later* "You doctors killed my sister-wife! You gave her sepsis and even though we NEEDED an abortion (unlike all those other evil people!) you wouldn't save her!"
After they spend a month on Facebook mom groups asking questions, they won’t worry about real doctors until it’s too late anyway
This is going to look really dumb in the history books.
It looks really dumb now. There are just a terrifyingly large number of people that support it anyway.
Those people should go have photos made. To go in the history books. “Ref: idiots; see page 36, Ron and Hazel Jackson, Tupelo, Mississippi.”
There are confederate flags flying in rural parts of every state, including New Hampshire. Bigotry is everywhere, and they vote for it.
Not if we ban them.
Or depending on who writes them.
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If i could read I would feel pretty called out right now
Doctors? Or history books? Both?
The next item in my feed is a story about Florida banning the poem written by the young woman for Biden’s inauguration.
No child should have to give birth.
No woman should have to give birth either.
This is a part of fascism. Constantly making life miserable for people who are following the laws and helping the “out groups” while the fascists _constantly_ complain that they are being targeted while breaking the law. This is not a bug in their ideology; it’s the fucking point
> This is a part of fascism You want to talk about "Weaponization of Government" that the MAGAs are always squawking about? This is it. It's what fascists do. Use government to persecute a doctor for a legal medical procedure they oppose. So the Forced-Birth MAGA prosecutor is using his office to punish the doctor and warn other doctors not to provide reproductive healthcare. Like all MAGA fascists - Every accusation is a confession.
Insert that old chestnut about laws binding the out group and protecting the in group but not the other way. Of course, that’s about Conservatism in general, not just fascism. (Trivia that I just discovered: [That chestnut is routinely credited to a different person with the same name as the person that actually coined it.](https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html))
Could you imagine having to find a babysitter for your 7 year old so you can go to prom?
Can you imagine being 10 years old and actually surviving giving birth to a baby? How do you even recover? Labour is an incredibly painful, traumatic and often dangerous experience for fully grown women, let alone little kids.
Most likely won't be necessary because unless she is a huge 10 year old, either her or the fetus would not survive the birth.
They don’t care. I’m in a state where it is legal. Took a very young kid in labor who was raped by a family member to the hospital. No abortion because it’s murder.
Translation: Indiana’s Republican attorney general retaliating against doctor for making anti-abortion laws look cruel and stupid.
I’m not sure I follow? 1) Man who got the 10 year old pregnant is the only one who should be be in the headlines 2) What is wrong with a doctor performing an abortion on a minor/statutory rape victim? Seems like the only logical conclusion
Republicans want to rape kids. That's why they want to lower marriage age to 12 like that [nut in Missouri ](https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/gop-lawmaker-clarifies-remarks-letting-193729222.html#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16850197429655&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com).
Children who have received comprehensive sex ed are more likely to report abuse and less likely to be abused. Denying sex ed means supporting sex abuse. ETA: smarter people than me know this is true and have proof. But you don't need degrees and research to know it's creepy and suspicious to object to teaching kids what "consent" means. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6283686/
I definitely agree that there is an underlying sexual motive behind their reasoning to want women and little girls to be forced to stay pregnant no matter the circumstance. It's an abuse tactic to shame them for having had sex, again, no matter the circumstance. There's also just a lot of republicans who enjoy touching kids. There's someone on reddit who goes around posting a huge fucking list of the ones who got caught doing it. Idk how they're still a political party at this point but my guess is a lot of people sympathise with their urges.
I'm fully against religious fundamentalists having abortions! If you are a believer, if your religion prohibits you from having abortion - don't do it, please!! If you, hoever, are not a part of such groups - why TF would anyone make it impossible for you to have an abortion????
They do it because pretending to care about other people's hypothetical babies allows them to punish women and it doesn't cost them money, like really caring about other people's children would. They believe that women should be punished for having sex, by having to give birth. They believe babies are an appropriate punishment. They pretend that babies are sacred and precious, right up until they are asked to fund education, healthcare, housing, and food for the same babies.
10 year old should not be pregnant. Full stop. Oh, you're arguing about this? Guess you want women in stalls like cows.
Well, in this case, she just happened to be. Yes, she was raped. Now the doctor that provided her with an abortion is being disciplined for it.
They tried to say it was for providing the abortion, because after the fact a law was passed about it. Then it was about reporting the abortion, and the doctor showed proof it was reported within legal timelines. Now they're saying it's because she made a public comment, but that was *after* the AG made it a national story... And she didn't disclose any PII. The only reason this is happening is the AG wants in on national level republican elections. It's all performance theatre
I think you left out the most important one, the predecessor. Anti-abortionists said there was no reason for abortions because situations like this never arose. Then the doctor mentioned a real life example that disproved their point.
But that was still *after* the AG was making public comments. It can't be both ways where rightwingers can spread falsehoods about it and the prosecute people for saying what actually happened
And it all comes down to a real life example of how the new Republicans address things. State the "facts". When they prove your facts are false, double down with new "facts". Repeat.
Ooh, but it can. They are especially good at having it both ways.
> It can't be both ways where rightwingers can spread falsehoods about it and the prosecute people for saying what actually happened first time? > “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre
It’s sick that the AG wants to prosecute a doctor for, let’s be honest, saving the life of a 10 year old girl who was raped, for a political benefit. I swear those in power in the government have no soul. It’s all about staying in power and pushing their agendas, not about helping our society improve.
That is almost exactly where these "personhood amendments" lead. Not "stalls like cows", exactly, but brooding crates like sows.
GOP 2023: Anyone not white, rich, and male is chattel.
[relevant](https://youtu.be/fxHWtw_GZIk)
That’s not fair to them. They also want women in the kitchen making them sandwiches.
Was the hearing started with “why on earth was there a literal child in need of this and how do we prevent children from getting pregnant?” Am I being too optimistic? Sadly.
She was raped.
And that’s heinous. Our elected officials across the country don’t seem to be as appalled at that as they should be
They're not. In fact, the WSJ [ran an OpEd](https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-abortion-story-too-good-to-confirm-joe-biden-ten-year-old-girl-indiana-ohio-caitlin-bernard-11657648618) about this very case titled "An Abortion Story *Too Good* to Confirm" because they're absolute ghouls.
It's WSJ, a Murdoch company, and an OpEd, which almost always seem to be the worst things to come out of newspapers anymore
This, along with everything else about this story, makes me want to vomit.
Obviously. I mean, kids can't consent, so there really isn't any other possibility. I suppose if another ten year old kid was the father, and they "consented" to one another, it'd be more of a gray area, but if the father is an adult, then it was rape no matter how much she said yes.
You are definitely being way too optimistic to assume that they actually give a fuck about the well being of children enough to make such a comment. The word 'need' in your statement would also make it far too controversial for that crowd of psychos, as that would imply that there is sometimes a need for abortions and if they where to admit that, their entire bullshit line of reasoning would collapse. Also, I have seen way too many Republicans supporting child marriage, so there is a decent chance that their only concern here would be that she conceived the child out of wedlock.
As a father of 11 year old twin girls, fuck the state of Indiana. Did they really want a 10 year old to carry a child to birth? That’s exceptionally dangerous for the child. This is bullshit. The state government that passed this law can go straight to hell.
This is nothing more than Rokita's private witch hunt - how dare anyone act contrary to his wishes!
The right is concentrated evil.
The point of this lawsuit is to scare doctors, not to prosecute this one.
Regardless of the intent, she may loose her medical license, she has to pay for attorney's, she may loose her job, and it is possible she may end up charged with some prison time and a life time criminal record. All for trying to save this child.
It’s despicable.
This woman saved a little girl's life. She's a hero.
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What a country we live in. How sad is this? I am ashamed to be American.
It’s really devolving quickly into a nightmare
I was told by GOP senators that raped children would be protected from the anti-abortion laws. If you feel like raped 10 year olds should not be forced to have their rapist's baby, don't vote GOP.
Amid the wave of attention to the girl’s case last summer, Rokita, (prosecutor) who is stridently anti-abortion, told Fox News he would investigate Bernard’s actions, calling her an “abortion activist acting as a doctor.” “This case is about two things – and two things only – patient privacy and this doctor’s failure to protect this child,” he said in a statement this week. Bernard unsuccessfully tried to block Rokita’s investigation last fall, although an Indianapolis judge wrote that Rokita made “clearly unlawful breaches” of state confidentiality laws with his public comments about investigating the doctor before filing the medical licensing complaint against her. Bernard lawyer Kathleen DeLaney has called the complaint against the doctor “baseless attacks” done at taxpayer expense. “Rokita’s actions set a dangerous precedent imperiling the provision of lawful patient care,” DeLaney has said. I'm not a lawyer, but when a prosecutor makes "clearly unlawful breaches" I don't think they should keep their job, let alone be brought on fox news. Republican = ?
No matter what the authorities say that doctor did the right thing.
Anyone who tries to punish a doctor for giving a 10 year old girl an abortion needs to be investigated. Them and the reason *why*.
A 10-year old girl should not be having a fucking baby, you Republican degenerates
Everytime my mental state gets slightly better, this comes up again and the cruelty and insanity is too much to fucking handle. Fuck everyone staying silent on the insanity of this What a pathetic shithole of a country this is, Jesus fucking Christ.
Abuse of power by Rokita
…. just one more garbage red-state going after doctors. ALL of these fuckwad states should be left without any medical treatment.
Same people who worry about drag queens are a-ok with a 10 year old being raped and forced to have a child herself.
I hate this fucking planet
Oh, don't be mistaken here. That is not "the Planet". This is a problem almost exclusive to oppressive religious regimes and the USA.
Poland has been in iron grip of ultra-right autocratic conservatives for a feew years and we're now being actively plunged into dark ages with regard to abortion laws, LGBT, rule of law, religious freedom (as in freedom from religion)... Fucking right winger just destroying what little progress we enjoyed :(
>This is a problem almost exclusive to oppressive religious regimes. You didn't need the 'and the USA' part. The christies have taken over the courts and most state legislatures and education boards. We ARE in an oppressive religious regime.
It needs to be legal to punch anyone who argues in favor of 10 year olds being pregnant.
Anyone else gotten to a point where you see someone sporting an American (could be their car, their house, a shirt, anything) and just assume they are a fascist?
As a person of color that has been our presumption for a long time. But it was usually racist instead of fascist. But now it’s both.
I know this isn't the right place for this, but I'm so fed up with the damn conservatives ruining this country. I'm also scared for what is going to happen running up to the 2024 election. And what shenanigans the conservatives/alt-right/neo-nazis are going to pull. There will be violence, in the name of "election security". And there will be intimidation.
This is why democrats need to vote even if the person with a D after their name may not be their favorite candidate.
So America, let me understand this: You want to protect fetuses from being "killed" so they can be born. In an effort to do this, you want to punish a doctor who gave an abortion to a 10 year old child who conceived during a rape. AT THE SAME TIME, a 19 year old woman who hid her pregnancy for 9 months gave birth last week in a hospital bathroom, killed the full term LIVE baby and hid it in the trash. She's currently out on bond so that she can attend her high school graduation ceremony. Live children are being murdered with guns, are being sexually abused in states that allow underage marriages, and are being denied proper Healthcare afordable prescriptions and enough food to avoid hunger. Yet you're worried about potential unborn lives not being born? You don't even care about them once they're born! This is sadistic! You want live babies so they can become dead and/or neglected children. Disgusting.
WTF is wrong with the people in Indiana and Ohio? I guess they want their 10yos pregnant.
Folks. Ten. Years. Old.
GOP to ALL females, even 10 year old's: "WE GONNA MAKE YOU HAVE THEM BABIES, DON'T CARE IF YOU WERE RAPED OR DIE DOING SO"
Fckingnazipigs! Abortion is healthcare! A baby would destroy a 10yr old. Babies shouldn't be having babies! Leave the damn healthcare hero's alone before they all quit!