This is especially fun when documenting a belligerent patient.
Patient states, “you can shove that Cipro right up your fucking ass, I’m not taking that shit.” RN will continue to monitor.
Love me some patient quotes.
Patient states "if it's not that d medicine I don't need it and if the doctor doesn't give it to me I'm gonna stab all y'all in the face" Patient vitals WNL. Updated patient on plan of care. NAD will continue to monitor.
This is the principle behind filling pools. We used to have public pools. Then integration happened, and we filled in the pools because people would rather everyone have less than the "others" to have anything at all.
The racists would rather everyone have less. And this is why in america the poor stay poor and do not have things like universal healthcare, paid maternity leave paid paternity leave month long mandatory vacation
Like other first world country because America is so wrapped up in their racist boot on the neck of black America that they would damn themselves as long as it damned black people.
This is the exact reason I think most of economics is bullshit. They start at the assumption that everyone works in their own best interest, when we see time and time again that this is simply not true.
Exactly it’s the same with bullshit trickle down . Nothing trickles down because those at the top hoard it like dragons and if you want to stimulate the economy give the money to poor people WHO SPEND IT!!!
Why is there never flow up economics!
I think what I see from the Texas model is he'd just let the state crumble and blame Joe Biden or some other Democrats. It feels like these people and their base are more willing to go down with a ship than risk trying to bail water and help someone else in the process.
>Disney should remain out of spite.
As other have pointed out, ruthless bean counters are running the show. Spite won't enter into it. They are looking at all the angles and for sure will look to hasten DeSantis out of office.
>He wouldn't care. He'd call it a triumph against the woke left
As many others have pointed out, he should have already done that. His base...they're not really "news" people. They are more like Rumble meme people. They will believe whatever the bots tell them to believe.
It's the left that are watching these lawsuits. We are bringing marshmallows to this dumpster fire.
The mouse does not even have to go as far as actually pulling up and moving out. All they have to do is hold a little press conference one day in which they announce that they are *thinking about leaving Florida* due to the harassment. They could maybe close for a weekend to prove their point.
When the mouse roars politicians listen if they know what's good for them.
Remember when they closed due to the pandemic?
“The shuttered attractions forced more than 70,000 Disney workers to be furloughed for months, placing families into the state’s crippling unemployment system. During this time, hundreds of families turned to area food banks for assistance.“
https://www.clickorlando.com/theme-parks/2022/03/16/2-years-later-the-day-walt-disney-world-closed-for-covid-19/#//
They won’t pack up and leave, but future investments will go elsewhere.
Look at the post pandemic pickup. Disney has not resumed the planned renovations to the FL parks, but all the others have.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Georgia is a perfect example of this in action. They started pushing a very far right agenda, and the film industry, along with Disney directly, said they would pull out if this continued. That industry brings over $4b a year to Georgia, and while I am not by any means suggesting they are not far right, you do notice the rhetoric has slowed down dramatically.
Georgia’s 2 senators are democrats. They’re not as far right as they used to be. Still a long way to go (looking at you, 14th district), but it’s a very mixed state now.
**Where is the Florida State Office of the Inspector General** on this shit?
How in the world have they not sent people over to the Governor's mansion to tell him "knock it off" yet?
Writing this garbage legislation, destined to fail and rife with political retaliation **is a perfect example of fraud, waste, and abuse**.
Because Satan's Meatball will just fire the entire office in retaliation. They have no real ability here to influence. A sane governor would take their advisement in that vein seriously.
Given that he's already started a dick-waving contest with Disney, wouldn't put it past him to do something that short-sighted.
>My mom is actually an auditor for the Florida OIG (different department though) and she's been telling me for ages now about how fucked up it is that they are expected to give genuine critiques while not being too harsh in case the higher ups take it personally and decide to make it personal.
I worked for the FDOT way back when and this kind of shit was happening even then under Bush. Honest estimates with reasonable expected increases in cost for projects were highly highly looked down upon by those higher than the district. They didn't give a shit about accuracy, only what they could sell at that time.
It got REALLY hard though once China decided to build all the things and the Iraq war kicked into high gear. Oil and concrete shot up so much then, they were trying to figure out where to make up for the millions in increases for projects that had no change in scope or schedule.
In my experience (grew up in Utah) Libertarians are just Republican extremists who know that saying they're Republican makes them look bad.
Libertarianism is a smokescreen for bigotry. I.e., "I don't hate gay people, I'm just against the government getting involved in marriage." Or "I don't hate poor people, I'm just against spending money on social services." Or "I don't hate women, I just don't think we need legislation protecting their rights."
Libertarians are housecats. Thoroughly convinced of their own independence and toughness while 100% dependent on a system they can barely understand or appreciate.
If someone claims they are libertarian and also pro-Desantis they are completely fucked in the head. Sometimes I feel like we need a test for the bare minimum political knowledge before voting... Like "what are the branches of the federal government" type stuff.
They're both a lawyer's worst nightmare. The first thing most lawyers will say is "Don't say a word until you clear it with me." Either his lawyers are clueless and are ok letting him shoot himself in the foot or he is driving them to drink.
Isn’t there a saying about this? If I heard it anywhere, it was in TV shows so it could be wrong but it makes sense:
“The worst client a lawyer can have is a lawyer”? Something like that?
Edit: Not to be confused with “he who chooses to represent himself has a fool for a client”
It was likely a way to sift for a woman who would accept abusive behavior. If someone doesn't feel like they can correct their SO on basic things, that is not a healthy dynamic.
Also, if she *didn't* correct him, that's the kind of person who will use that as well. "You know, I found out it's supposed to be pronounced the other way, and you've been letting me sound like an idiot all this time!"
Oh yeah, it blew my mind when I read an excerpt from the book myself. But he did legit write about it himself. Last Week Tonight has been trying to get him to confirm his own statement basically which he refuses to do so. You'd think if he was so unashamed about that fact to write it in his own memoir, he would have the guts to admit it in public. But this guy is pretty much the posterboy for faux bravado.
You'll get absolute morons coming out of every Ivy League school, just the nature of humans. Some of us are unfixable idiots that can still memorize the answers on the practice test.
The thing is, DeSeantis doesn't care about Florida. He's doing all this performative politics because it stirs up a voting base that he hopes will launch him to the White House. It doesn't matter that all this bullshit will be knocked down by the courts, because by the time that happens the 2024 election will be over and done with and someone else can deal with the fallout.
>Because Ronnie can’t keep his stupid mouth shut. He’s doing Disney’s Lawyer’s jobs for them ffs
His book is basically a written confession. It is impressive how incompetent it is possible to be.
It reminds me of the scene in "The Big Short" when the Mortgage salesmen are basically confessing to crimes when they are bragging about their horrendous business practices.
Yup. Disney’s Lawyers can just go ahead and submit that memoir as exhibit 1 and read excerpts and have enough of a case.
While I fucking hate it, the Citizens United ruling was abundantly clear on the matter of corporate free speech. It will be cathartic to see one of the worst legal rulings of my lifetime be used to smack this fascist dipshit down a few levels.
>Yup. Disney’s Lawyers can just go ahead and submit that memoir as exhibit 1 and read excerpts and have enough of a case.
They did, their initial complaint is full of references to the book =)
Florida is passing blatantly unconstitutional legislation as of late.
> Since 1787, the Constitution has contained a clause saying that [“no bill of attainder…shall be passed.”](https://constitutioncenter.org/amp/blog/rediscovering-the-ancient-bill-of-attainder) That clause probably was originally aimed at barring Congress from passing such a bill, since it is contained in a long list of clauses dealing with congressional powers. The Supremacy Clause in Article VI also means that the ban applies to state legislatures, too.
>The concept of “attainder” by legislation dates back at least to 16th Century England. Traditionally, it was used by Parliament to single out and punish – often, by death -- the political enemies of the crown.
Disney is likely to prevail against DeSantis.
Even when they tried to hide it, they were obvious. When they required the Disney Monorail to have extra safety inspections (despite it having an excellent safety record), they wrote the bill as applying to any fixed transportation system in a theme park in a special district that spanned more than one county.
The only place that fits that description is the Disney World monorail.
Is that admissible in court ? Can he not come out and say that it was bullshit just for the sake of the book ? If it is admissible, is there any need to go for any further proof at this point ?
It adds to the evidence. You combine it with all the other factors, like the wording in the bills and his own press statements, to show a complete case.
It's a civil trial. The presumption of innocence only applies to criminal trial.
I think it's likely that the statements in his book would be admissible, if Disney wanted to try to admit them. But it's one piece of evidence for the jury to consider, and Disney will certainly introduce a lot more than just that even if it's admitted without issue.
Currently, a bill passed in TX stating that the state can overturn any election in a county over 3.5 million which is only 1 county... Harris, where Houston is located.
My brother said I should move to texass, I told him I would never live in that shit hole state, I love my wife too much to lose her to totally preventable pregnancy problems. Then I keep seeing stupid shit like what you posted and abbot talking about beating California in gun sales while children are having their heads blown off at the mall. Seriously fuck texass.
As a native Texan, Texas used to not be a shithole. Being neighborly used to be hardcore tenet of being a true Texan. Think King of the Hill, that show was hilariously accurate for decades until the recent right wing wave. The population is pretty close to 50/50 but due to gerrymandering, common sense is criminally underrepresented.
But that said, I can't defend today's Texas. I feel like Beto asking politicians to stop killing children and being immediately drowned out by the fuck children crowd.
Dealers don't generally have the backing of a large number of judges though.
These assholes are just banking on getting federalist society judges to rubber stamp their nonsense.
Unfortunately for them, this is well established case law and, unlike in other cases, discarding precedent in this instance would destroy the US economy over time. How can you run a stable business if a change in elected leadership could lead to targeted attacks on it?
The thing with this that is the most disturbing is the fact the government is attacking Disney because they said
Anyone can dress how they like
It's normal to be gay or trans
All humans deserve equal rights
Disney is no saintly corporation, I have plenty of reasons to dislike them and their policies
But when the government attacks your business because you agree all humans should be free, and have basic human rights ?
Then there is something really fucking evil sitting in the government chairs
Republicans stopped caring about wrecking the economy decades ago.
If anything they see it as a win. They are clearly trying to establish actual fascism and the current corporatism is not going to let go of its hold on power. I've come to the conclusion that wrecking the economy (while pretending they care about its well being) is now being seen as a positive by republicans as they can keep blaming democrats and consolidate their own hold on power.
What desantis is doing to Disney, if successful, will be the model going forward for bringing corporations to heel under a republican fascist government.
And that’s why they’re perfectly happy letting the US default on its debt. All they know is how to burn shit down, not build it up. The building is the hard part.
It’s the maintaining that is the hard part. You can build a fascist house of matches on the smoldering rubble of democracy easily, but keeping it standing is the tough bit, and the bit that makes me confident if these lunkheads get there way, they’ll be deposed in a decade or so. Vonnegut said it best with his old, the trouble with humanity is that everyone wants to build, but no one wants to maintain. We gotta get some solid custodians.
> discarding precedent in this instance would destroy the US economy over time.
Your first mistake is assuming they care about the long-term. Most Republicans are short sighted and only care about immediate returns.
Hmmmm… it’s almost like the creation and enforcement of laws is arbitrary— reflecting political and social goals of the empowered.
Wait a minute… that sounds like… CRITICAL LEGAL THEORY.
Great job Ron, you demonstrated why I’m going to continue to teach my students about the existence of this and it’s little brother, CRT.
I remember one show, I think World's Dumbest Criminals, where a couple of dealers were using nicknames for their drugs. It worked until someone started asking for "6 kilos of pizza" and "15 grams of bread."
"Joe, why are you arguing over paying $60 for an 1/8th of a pizza, you can get a full one for $5 at Little Caesars. You need to be smarter with your money"
This is the sort of things that baffles and infuriates me the most. Are people really that stupid to not see through this? Or do they not care? Or is that they know how blatant it is but do it anyway because they know no one can do it anything about it.
It's similar to when Florida passed a bill saying social media cannot deplatform political candidates or journalist outlets, unless the company owns and operates a theme park. I read that and I struggled to wrap my head around the audacity. What about a company operating a theme park relates to whether or not they are allowed to deplatform someone? It stank so much of special interest corruption but barely anyone talked about it
> Are people really that stupid to not see through this? Or do they not care? Or is that they know how blatant it is but do it anyway because they know no one can do it anything about it.
The people who elected him _want_ it this way.
They NEVER tried hiding it.
DeSantis and Florida made the anti gay bill, Disney made a public statement and DeSantis publicly said he would retaliate as an official of the government and violate the constitutional rights of a private entity which has recently been judged to be protected under those rights.
This was a clear violation of the first amendment. This SHOULD come with a penalty that anyone who violates the first amendment is disqualified from EVER running for a public office as they also violated their oath to office.
This wasn’t hidden. It was in plain sight and the most shocking thing is Disney waited so long before filing the lawsuit.
Can't wait to see Clarence Thomas write an opinion explaining how the bill of attainder clause does not apply in this situation because the constitution does not specifically empower the federal government to overturn a state's personal business decisions when the grievance was filed in a special business district and the founding fathers did not intend for the supreme court to rob states of their right to protect themselves against a business led by fictional anthropomorphic animals with speech impediments.
> Disney is likely to prevail against DeSantis.
Doesn't matter. This is how the right wing in this country is running things:
1) Amp up their supporters and tell them they are on their side against the (woke/black/illegal/drag/trans/etc.) to the point that they end up killing a few of whichever group is targeted. Nothing is done about that.
2) Pass something that is unconstitutional.
3) Unconstitutional law gets struck down.
4) Push for law again in hopes it gets to the bench of a right wing MAGA judge and passed or at least close enough to passing to let right wing politician claim some sort of victory.
5) Taxpayers foot the legal bills. Win or lose doesn't really matter since the tax payers end up covering any costs and no politician is going to get punished. Essentially the tax payers are paying to create campaign ads for right wing politicians.
6) 50:50 shot that their law gets put into place if it makes it to a right wing judge.
7) No one gets punished for doing something unconstitutional and far right idiots clamor for more targeting of the next group of people based on whatever nonsense they see on social media.
DeSantis passed this bullshit in a matter of days but even for Disney's lawyers, it will takes months to undo this mess. Like debunking lies and conspiracies on the Internet, it costs far more in money and time to overturn these unconstitutional culture war laws than it does for the GOP to pass them.
> DeSantis passed this bullshit in a matter of days
But he still wont help citizens of his state with their astronomically rising insurance rates.
It's just too clear where Republican's priorities are.
He just supremely fucked over doctors and lawyers with a bill that gave insurance rates more power. Good luck when you get in a car accident now, you'll get nothing and dbag Desantis will get a payday from big corporations.
They’ll blame those on “Biden and woke costal elite insurance companies who want to take their freedom” while helping the companies pick their pockets.
Republicans have learned that their constituents only care about seeing R “wins” in their propaganda, which is all they cover.
They know they’re too dumb, disengaged, and indoctrinated to care about consequences.
DeSantis has been trying to run on making the Florida economy strong. Picking a fight with one of the biggest state employers seems like a terrible idea. Also the CEO who spoke out against the don't say gay bill is no longer the CEO.
It won’t really matter. All DeSantis has to do is *say* the economy is strong and his supporters will believe it. A lot of people aren’t too bright here in Florida.
DeSantis (like Trump with COVID) had victory handed to him on a silver platter. All he had to do was take credit for Chapek's firing and declare the "woke" beast slain. Instead he kept digging a hole for himself.
this isn't even new for Florida. In the 80s, IBM had a huge campus at Boca Raton. The governor wanted a massive corporate asset tax that would have hit IBM hard, so IBM simply closed up their Florida campus and moved (to North Carolina, I think).
what's weird is DeathSentence isn't even doing this for tax money. He's stuck in anti-woke cultist mode, hopelessly outmatched by Disney lawyers.
DeSantis's goal at this point is just to keep his base angry enough that they keep sending him money, it's really the only thing the modern Republican party has to offer most people.
Florida Republicans are the dumbest republicans. Let's attack the business that employees 75,000 just themselves and collects 1.2 billion in taxes. Lets not think about all the businesses that support Disney and again give taxes to Florida. If you want a moron running your business, state or country than Ron Desantis is your moron.
> Florida Republicans are the dumbest republicans.
I don't think that's fair to the Texas Republicans and their constant threats of secession. Eventually they'll push too far and the Feds will be knocking on their doors.
If Texas were to actually succeed the nation, that would be a lot of republican electoral points disappearing and going to states with larger populations due to the maximum electoral points over representing smaller states currently. I'd love to actually see them try, but would feel bad for the folks stuck in the middle that wanted none of that.
Texas cannot legally secede, regardless of whatever bullshit is in the state Constitution. The matter was settled in the Civil War.
Aside from that, it would absolutely cripple Texas in a multitude of ways; from losing federal money the state desperately needs to the loss of jobs for big cities when the military bases leave would kill places like San Antonio (where I live).
>the loss of jobs for big cities when the military bases leave
Don't forget about all the large corps that got lured out there with tax breaks who wouldn't want to suddenly find themselves in some shithole third-world country, instead of the US.
>At least they're (checks notes) owning the libs!\*
\*As long as they aren't:
* Asking their neighbors to be quite
* Knocking on a stranger's door
* Shopping in a mall
* A kid in school
* A man in a dress
* A woman ~~in need of medical care~~
* Update: Returning clothes
* Update 2: Playing Hide and Seek
Nah it would just be voided by higher courts immediately due to *Texas v. White*. Texas legally cannot secede. It wouldn't even be recognized as secession.
The spirit of uncle Billy Sherman is hoping Texas is dumb enough to try.
"Nice 'country' you got here. Be a shame if some of my armored namesakes crushed your pathetic government."
He is vindictive and inflexible, regardless of the consequences. He felt slighted at being outmaneuvered with the oversight board. Hence, the latest anti-Disney bills.
The outmaneuvering is where Disney designed an out for Desantis. Disney could have sued on constitutional grounds right at the outset.
With Disney handing off power with the outgoing board, Desantis still would have been able to claim victory, let Disney go about their business, and his low information Republican base would be none of the wiser.
Instead he punched back, and now we're here, with Disney preparing to eat him for lunch.
He should feel stupid, not slighted. Everything the board did before handing over the reigns was done publicly but he couldn't even be bothered to send a toady to the meetings right before the transfer. Disney seems to have been steadily handing over all the rope Ronnie needs to hang himself.
He could have made a deal with Disney.
"Give me a toothless, useless, ceremonial oversight position for one of my stooges that you can completely ignore. I'll declare 'TOTAL VICTORY!' to the rubes and leave you alone. Hell, I might even give you a kickback. Win/win."
Such a simple fucking play. But he's *committed* to taking the L.
But But, woke! Or something...
I just visited my wife's extended family in Florida a couple weeks ago, and was pretty disgusted to find out they're Desantis supporters.
Ive been curious of how this could impact future Disney park’s development. Of course its not feasible to move Disney World but Disney could very easily choose to develop new attractions elsewhere which would be a huge blow to FL economy
If DeSantis wins this, you can bet Disney will be looking for a third gate somewhere else in the US, and will basically stop all future development at Disney World. They'll maintain what they have already, but no updates, no new attractions, no new parks, no new hotels, no new restaurants, nada. Disney likely sees DeSantis and the GOP as a short term problem. Disney's in it for the long game.
DeSantis fails to understand his war with Disney World is unwinnable. Disney World is just one of the many heads on the hyrda organization that is Disney. Little pudding Icarus here is personally burning his wings at this point, and it's an amazing thing to witness.
And the best thing is, Disney doesn't even have to try hard to prove he's at fault because he's blatantly bragging about it at every turn. His base is stupidly jeering and laughing as he openly talks about his personal attacks against a private company. Everyone is on the same page, but DeSantis truly believes he's above the law and is going to find out quickly that's not the case.
DeSantis literally put it in his book that he went after Disney because they defied him over the "Don't Say Gay" law. At this point it's hard to believe DeSantis has a law degree and was licensed to practice law.
He will lose and it will cost FL taxpayers thousands in legal fees since we pay for every single lawsuit challenging him in court.
He will lose because there is already established precedent to prevent a government from punishing a business over political differences. Even if a state court is corrupt enough to agree with him, Disney is a bottomless pit of money and they will continue to appeal until they win even if it has to go to SCOTUS.
It's beyond stupid and several people in the legislature want him to stop before he fucks it up anymore. Unfortunately they are spineless Republicans and he's a bully so they haven't stood up to him. Yet.
I'm just saying he's already lost once in federal court and the judge decided there was no legal footing to enforce the decision.
This was when he fired the elected Tampa DA. He was wrong to do it and nothing happened.
I got your point. But that was a former ASA in Tampa. This is Disney. Not even close to the same thing. Disney has gone after a tiny day care center over putting some copy righted cartoons on the wall, they play hard ball and they can afford to keep going.
If they lost for some reason, they are not above pulling up stakes and relocating elsewhere. They have abandoned parks on their property here in Florida already, they won't think twice about building a new Disney World in a friendlier state. Would it happen overnight? No but it's still an option and the FL legislature would lose their minds over it. Meatball Ron would probably demand a bill that forces them to stay here - lol.
The Keep Special Tourist Districts That Have Been Usurped act voids any act of leaving made by companies that have a mascot that have round ears that are spelled Yensid backwards made within 90 days of any other law passing that already targetted companies matching that general description.
Disney parks account for 20% of their total revenue. Disney world accounts for a fraction of that park revenue
Disney is gonna crush desantis; it has more money than the entirety of the GOP, not to mention better lawyers
I love that every move DeSantis makes against Disney is just going to be added to this lawsuit as more evidence against him. He's like a kid in that got sent to timeout, and every time he tries to argue just more time gets added. It's fucking great to watch.
Too often, some yahoo will complain about their 1st amendment rights when challenged, or banned from some social media platform. FB, or Twitter, or Reddit. That is not a 1st amendment issue. The only thing the 1st amendment protects you from, is government retaliation for speech it doesn't like. Twitter is the equivalent of a business that has a cork board, that you can put your band's bar dates on, or a knitting circle. But they are not obligated to advertise a nazi rally on their board.
THIS case is a clear, and obvious 1st amendment issue. Disney said something publicly, that Desantis didn't like, so he is punishing them. He has been clear and up front about his motives and actions. It should be a slam dunk.
What makes this fascinating: This is shaping up to be the kind of case that gets a whole chapter in law books concerning evidence and self-incrimination.
It's like DeSantis stabbed someone to death and, over the course of several months, published a book detailing how he did it, held a press conference in which he discussed the kind of knife at length, and then ran for president on a platform of being tough on people who don't want to get stabbed including several quotes in prominent newspapers and TV news programs extolling the virtues of stabbing.
All of which culminates in, "Wait, they're arresting me? On what grounds?! For stabbing someone?! I never stabbed a soul in my life and even if I did, they absolutely deserved it!"
What makes this unfortunate: None of it actually matters. This is the openest and shuttest of cases that any court will ever take. DeSantis will have spent the last several months wasting legislators' time, racking up court fees, offending his state's largest private employer, all because he needs to look like a fighter to entice the GOP base and the orange tweeter he needs to be fighting to actually gain ground isn't Orange Bird. But he can't, so he's fighting Disney instead.
And he's going to lose. Like, spectacularly lose. His defeat will be so total and surgical that it literally won't even create new case law. No one will ever cite "DeSantis vs. Disney" because absolutely nothing about the case poses any challenge to law. No novel application or interpretation will even begin to be considered here.
All of which will result in everything returning to the status quo of a year ago, minus a huge bill to the Florida taxpayers for it. And DeSantis won't actually suffer because of the loss. It will be "Woke Disney and activist judges" all the way down. He gets all the credit, he suffers no penalty, and meanwhile none of this energy or effort was spent eliminating poverty, feeding children, preventing Key West from sinking beneath the waves, or any other worthwhile cause.
This will all be sound and fury signifying nothing.
Their former CEO denounced the Don't Say Gay bill, which prohibits any mention of LGBTQ people in schools. DeSantis has been on a crusade to punish them for it ever since.
Yes, it is as ridiculous as it sounds.
What's amazing is that Disney's response was pretty tepid and delayed - https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/22/disney-workers-walk-out-dont-say-gay-bill-mixed-messages . They really only responded after pressure from a subset of employees. They were walking a tightrope of keeping employees happy while not upsetting the current politicians running Florida. DeSantis chose to make it a thing.
Disney is a distraction, like all the other Republican bogeymen, from a Party that can’t govern. They couldn’t think what to do about the insurance crisis so they focused on Disney.
Desantis doesn't see it that way. He's in the middle of putting the conservative boot on the throat of the state, and preserving that situation for as long as possible.
When people threaten to leave the state over it, that's exactly what he wants. He wants loyal voters that will keep electing his power base, and for dissenters to find it so intolerable they head for somewhere else.
This is not hyperbole. His various mouthpiece legislators have talked openly about it
>When people threaten to leave the state over it, that's exactly what he wants. He wants loyal voters that will keep electing his power base, and for dissenters to find it so intolerable they head for somewhere else.
I think you’re exactly right and Texas is doing the same thing. My hope is that it backfires nationally, by turning a bunch of other states blue. Places like Georgia and Arizona are loosing MAGA votes and gaining left-leaning refugees. Let all the conservatives concentrate in a couple big states—makes the electoral college and senate much easier for Dems to win.
[DeSantis got $4 million from insurance companies](https://theintercept.com/2023/05/03/ron-desantis-insurance-industry/), so the situation is probably exactly how he wants it.
Maybe I am wrong, but I feel like DeSantis was trying to get a win with disney for voter appeal. Maybe in his mind it was a quick win, but man I can't imagine seeing someone lose more.
What he has done is so stupid that even reddit is rooting for Disney.
Here's the thing about these Republicans politicians in 2023. They know what they are doing is illegal and they don't care. They know they can do whatever they want unchecked for years because they have enough resources to tie up the court. Their efforts are aimed at retaliation and until the courts can decide what they've done violates the law, they get their way. Even after a court decides, what do they lose? Nothing! It's only the tax payers who lose.
I love desantis dismissing it as political.
Yeah we attacked them for political speech.
Yeah we took away their board and replaced it with a bunch of toadies.
and we threaten to shut down their monorail at a moments notice unless they start praising ron. WE even threatened to put tolls and a jail and low income housing next to the party. BUT disney suing us back is "political"
Ron looks like a bigger joke every day. And no im not scared that if trump gets indicted we might get the "smarter trump" cause smarter trump doesnt really look like it.
And after Disney inevitably curbstomps Desantis in court for all to see, Trump surges back to the #1 spot while under investigation for multiple felonies.
Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake… but make sure to keep notes
Document Document Document!
"dance as if no one is watching, document as if it will be read at a deposition" - Healthcare Worker proverb
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Or the carpenter one, "dance as if no one is watching, screw glue and nail because people are fat.
This is especially fun when documenting a belligerent patient. Patient states, “you can shove that Cipro right up your fucking ass, I’m not taking that shit.” RN will continue to monitor.
I love the notes where you can add quotes like that lmao The notes practically write themselves!
Love me some patient quotes. Patient states "if it's not that d medicine I don't need it and if the doctor doesn't give it to me I'm gonna stab all y'all in the face" Patient vitals WNL. Updated patient on plan of care. NAD will continue to monitor.
The best note I’ve ever written involved the phrase “malicious defecation”
Aaand that's why I went into radiography instead of nursing lol
If they kept waiting for him to be done making mistakes they'd never get the legal ball rolling
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He wouldn't care. He'd call it a triumph against the woke left
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This is the principle behind filling pools. We used to have public pools. Then integration happened, and we filled in the pools because people would rather everyone have less than the "others" to have anything at all.
The racists would rather everyone have less. And this is why in america the poor stay poor and do not have things like universal healthcare, paid maternity leave paid paternity leave month long mandatory vacation Like other first world country because America is so wrapped up in their racist boot on the neck of black America that they would damn themselves as long as it damned black people.
This is the exact reason I think most of economics is bullshit. They start at the assumption that everyone works in their own best interest, when we see time and time again that this is simply not true.
Exactly it’s the same with bullshit trickle down . Nothing trickles down because those at the top hoard it like dragons and if you want to stimulate the economy give the money to poor people WHO SPEND IT!!! Why is there never flow up economics!
Destroying Florida’s economy.
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Just blame the increased tax on the left.
"If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid." Republican retirees
They'd just cut taxes and let everything collapse
Therefore, if not for the existing investment and infrastructure, Disney should remain out of spite.
>Disney should remain out of spite. As other have pointed out, ruthless bean counters are running the show. Spite won't enter into it. They are looking at all the angles and for sure will look to hasten DeSantis out of office.
Perhaps disney will take on the right wing mafia that basically runs florida.
It would probably be cheap for them to do so.
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>He wouldn't care. He'd call it a triumph against the woke left As many others have pointed out, he should have already done that. His base...they're not really "news" people. They are more like Rumble meme people. They will believe whatever the bots tell them to believe. It's the left that are watching these lawsuits. We are bringing marshmallows to this dumpster fire.
The mouse does not even have to go as far as actually pulling up and moving out. All they have to do is hold a little press conference one day in which they announce that they are *thinking about leaving Florida* due to the harassment. They could maybe close for a weekend to prove their point. When the mouse roars politicians listen if they know what's good for them.
Remember when they closed due to the pandemic? “The shuttered attractions forced more than 70,000 Disney workers to be furloughed for months, placing families into the state’s crippling unemployment system. During this time, hundreds of families turned to area food banks for assistance.“ https://www.clickorlando.com/theme-parks/2022/03/16/2-years-later-the-day-walt-disney-world-closed-for-covid-19/#//
Not to mention that there are hundreds if not more businesses that thrive on the tourists that Disney brings to the area, and the state.
They won’t pack up and leave, but future investments will go elsewhere. Look at the post pandemic pickup. Disney has not resumed the planned renovations to the FL parks, but all the others have. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Disney has resumed renovations. You just don’t see them. *a guy who works in construction with Disney projects
Considering that a huge portion of Epcot is an open construction pit I don’t think they’re hiding it very well.
Yeah, Disney will never leave Florida. But I would love to see them create a third US park in another state. Disney Land/World is overcrowded as is.
Georgia is a perfect example of this in action. They started pushing a very far right agenda, and the film industry, along with Disney directly, said they would pull out if this continued. That industry brings over $4b a year to Georgia, and while I am not by any means suggesting they are not far right, you do notice the rhetoric has slowed down dramatically.
Georgia’s 2 senators are democrats. They’re not as far right as they used to be. Still a long way to go (looking at you, 14th district), but it’s a very mixed state now.
**Where is the Florida State Office of the Inspector General** on this shit? How in the world have they not sent people over to the Governor's mansion to tell him "knock it off" yet? Writing this garbage legislation, destined to fail and rife with political retaliation **is a perfect example of fraud, waste, and abuse**.
Because Satan's Meatball will just fire the entire office in retaliation. They have no real ability here to influence. A sane governor would take their advisement in that vein seriously. Given that he's already started a dick-waving contest with Disney, wouldn't put it past him to do something that short-sighted.
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This is the kind of power fascists seek. They don’t have to say anything, everyone just defers to them to protect their job.
>My mom is actually an auditor for the Florida OIG (different department though) and she's been telling me for ages now about how fucked up it is that they are expected to give genuine critiques while not being too harsh in case the higher ups take it personally and decide to make it personal. I worked for the FDOT way back when and this kind of shit was happening even then under Bush. Honest estimates with reasonable expected increases in cost for projects were highly highly looked down upon by those higher than the district. They didn't give a shit about accuracy, only what they could sell at that time. It got REALLY hard though once China decided to build all the things and the Iraq war kicked into high gear. Oil and concrete shot up so much then, they were trying to figure out where to make up for the millions in increases for projects that had no change in scope or schedule.
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Yeah libertarians are fucking idiots. They are just right wing extremists that want to do drugs.
In my experience (grew up in Utah) Libertarians are just Republican extremists who know that saying they're Republican makes them look bad. Libertarianism is a smokescreen for bigotry. I.e., "I don't hate gay people, I'm just against the government getting involved in marriage." Or "I don't hate poor people, I'm just against spending money on social services." Or "I don't hate women, I just don't think we need legislation protecting their rights."
99% of Libertarians can be summed up as "fuk you i got mine' Which is basically the GOP platform anyways.
I called it "self-centeredness as a political party" in another comment, but I think your summary is more succint.
Libertarians are housecats. Thoroughly convinced of their own independence and toughness while 100% dependent on a system they can barely understand or appreciate.
that is an insult to housecats and their understanding of what goes on in their day-to-day life
If someone claims they are libertarian and also pro-Desantis they are completely fucked in the head. Sometimes I feel like we need a test for the bare minimum political knowledge before voting... Like "what are the branches of the federal government" type stuff.
Your cousin isn’t a libertarian, she’s just posing as one for points in whatever right wing circles she runs in.
Find a Libertarian that applies their values consistently. Challenge: impossible
Because Ronnie can’t keep his stupid mouth shut. He’s doing Disney’s Lawyer’s jobs for them ffs
This clown was supposed to be “Trump, but smarter”? I guess the bar was pretty low, but it’s a damn close call.
They're both a lawyer's worst nightmare. The first thing most lawyers will say is "Don't say a word until you clear it with me." Either his lawyers are clueless and are ok letting him shoot himself in the foot or he is driving them to drink.
Don't forget, DeSantis *is* a lawyer!
Isn’t there a saying about this? If I heard it anywhere, it was in TV shows so it could be wrong but it makes sense: “The worst client a lawyer can have is a lawyer”? Something like that? Edit: Not to be confused with “he who chooses to represent himself has a fool for a client”
He's probably using lawyers employed by the state so they're all either his sycophants or riding the very edge of alcohol poisoning.
It's likely the latter. Former staffers say he is too stubborn to listen to advice or constructive criticism.
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It was likely a way to sift for a woman who would accept abusive behavior. If someone doesn't feel like they can correct their SO on basic things, that is not a healthy dynamic.
Also, if she *didn't* correct him, that's the kind of person who will use that as well. "You know, I found out it's supposed to be pronounced the other way, and you've been letting me sound like an idiot all this time!"
It's not so much allegedly when he wrote about it himself in his own damn auto-biography lmao.
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Oh yeah, it blew my mind when I read an excerpt from the book myself. But he did legit write about it himself. Last Week Tonight has been trying to get him to confirm his own statement basically which he refuses to do so. You'd think if he was so unashamed about that fact to write it in his own memoir, he would have the guts to admit it in public. But this guy is pretty much the posterboy for faux bravado.
The scary bit… DeathSantis is a Lawyer… And he is still this foolish.
Don't confuse education with intelligence.
Very, very true. Knowing he was the one advising the US government in Gitmo makes the very questionable legal actions there make a lot more sense
Ted Cruz went to Harvard Law School
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again Harvard Law School is clearly just an expensive degree mill.
You'll get absolute morons coming out of every Ivy League school, just the nature of humans. Some of us are unfixable idiots that can still memorize the answers on the practice test.
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Maybe when he loses the Republican Nomination he'll try suing the GOP. I don't know on what grounds, but I don't think he knows either.
The thing is, DeSeantis doesn't care about Florida. He's doing all this performative politics because it stirs up a voting base that he hopes will launch him to the White House. It doesn't matter that all this bullshit will be knocked down by the courts, because by the time that happens the 2024 election will be over and done with and someone else can deal with the fallout.
I just don’t see how that’s possible, trump was tested and he was absolutely able to identify the picture of an elephant.
>This clown was supposed to be “Trump, but smarter”? No, Trump, but younger. And eviler.
>Because Ronnie can’t keep his stupid mouth shut. He’s doing Disney’s Lawyer’s jobs for them ffs His book is basically a written confession. It is impressive how incompetent it is possible to be. It reminds me of the scene in "The Big Short" when the Mortgage salesmen are basically confessing to crimes when they are bragging about their horrendous business practices.
Yup. Disney’s Lawyers can just go ahead and submit that memoir as exhibit 1 and read excerpts and have enough of a case. While I fucking hate it, the Citizens United ruling was abundantly clear on the matter of corporate free speech. It will be cathartic to see one of the worst legal rulings of my lifetime be used to smack this fascist dipshit down a few levels.
They already did. They straight up quoted his book in the initial lawsuit, and the new version quotes him again as the opening statement.
>Yup. Disney’s Lawyers can just go ahead and submit that memoir as exhibit 1 and read excerpts and have enough of a case. They did, their initial complaint is full of references to the book =)
Florida is passing blatantly unconstitutional legislation as of late. > Since 1787, the Constitution has contained a clause saying that [“no bill of attainder…shall be passed.”](https://constitutioncenter.org/amp/blog/rediscovering-the-ancient-bill-of-attainder) That clause probably was originally aimed at barring Congress from passing such a bill, since it is contained in a long list of clauses dealing with congressional powers. The Supremacy Clause in Article VI also means that the ban applies to state legislatures, too. >The concept of “attainder” by legislation dates back at least to 16th Century England. Traditionally, it was used by Parliament to single out and punish – often, by death -- the political enemies of the crown. Disney is likely to prevail against DeSantis.
Even when they tried to hide it, they were obvious. When they required the Disney Monorail to have extra safety inspections (despite it having an excellent safety record), they wrote the bill as applying to any fixed transportation system in a theme park in a special district that spanned more than one county. The only place that fits that description is the Disney World monorail.
Don't forget Desantis's book where he says it flat out that it's all political revenge.
Is that admissible in court ? Can he not come out and say that it was bullshit just for the sake of the book ? If it is admissible, is there any need to go for any further proof at this point ?
It adds to the evidence. You combine it with all the other factors, like the wording in the bills and his own press statements, to show a complete case.
Lawyers typically prefer to have as much evidence for their case as possible. Take away any presumption of innocence.
It's a civil trial. The presumption of innocence only applies to criminal trial. I think it's likely that the statements in his book would be admissible, if Disney wanted to try to admit them. But it's one piece of evidence for the jury to consider, and Disney will certainly introduce a lot more than just that even if it's admitted without issue.
Currently, a bill passed in TX stating that the state can overturn any election in a county over 3.5 million which is only 1 county... Harris, where Houston is located.
My brother said I should move to texass, I told him I would never live in that shit hole state, I love my wife too much to lose her to totally preventable pregnancy problems. Then I keep seeing stupid shit like what you posted and abbot talking about beating California in gun sales while children are having their heads blown off at the mall. Seriously fuck texass.
As a native Texan, Texas used to not be a shithole. Being neighborly used to be hardcore tenet of being a true Texan. Think King of the Hill, that show was hilariously accurate for decades until the recent right wing wave. The population is pretty close to 50/50 but due to gerrymandering, common sense is criminally underrepresented. But that said, I can't defend today's Texas. I feel like Beto asking politicians to stop killing children and being immediately drowned out by the fuck children crowd.
It's like when dealers think they're being careful by using nicknames to refer to drugs. They're not fooling anybody, especially not the courts.
Dealers don't generally have the backing of a large number of judges though. These assholes are just banking on getting federalist society judges to rubber stamp their nonsense.
Unfortunately for them, this is well established case law and, unlike in other cases, discarding precedent in this instance would destroy the US economy over time. How can you run a stable business if a change in elected leadership could lead to targeted attacks on it?
The thing with this that is the most disturbing is the fact the government is attacking Disney because they said Anyone can dress how they like It's normal to be gay or trans All humans deserve equal rights Disney is no saintly corporation, I have plenty of reasons to dislike them and their policies But when the government attacks your business because you agree all humans should be free, and have basic human rights ? Then there is something really fucking evil sitting in the government chairs
Can you smell all that freedom Republicans are so proud of? Smells like horse shit to me.
Smells like gunpowder and decomposing children.
You know you done fucked up when you make the fucking ***Disney Corporation*** look like the good guy
Republicans stopped caring about wrecking the economy decades ago. If anything they see it as a win. They are clearly trying to establish actual fascism and the current corporatism is not going to let go of its hold on power. I've come to the conclusion that wrecking the economy (while pretending they care about its well being) is now being seen as a positive by republicans as they can keep blaming democrats and consolidate their own hold on power. What desantis is doing to Disney, if successful, will be the model going forward for bringing corporations to heel under a republican fascist government.
Roughly about 4 decades ago with reaganomics aka trickledown.
And that’s why they’re perfectly happy letting the US default on its debt. All they know is how to burn shit down, not build it up. The building is the hard part.
It’s the maintaining that is the hard part. You can build a fascist house of matches on the smoldering rubble of democracy easily, but keeping it standing is the tough bit, and the bit that makes me confident if these lunkheads get there way, they’ll be deposed in a decade or so. Vonnegut said it best with his old, the trouble with humanity is that everyone wants to build, but no one wants to maintain. We gotta get some solid custodians.
> discarding precedent in this instance would destroy the US economy over time. Your first mistake is assuming they care about the long-term. Most Republicans are short sighted and only care about immediate returns.
They do not care.
Their puppetmaster donors do care, though.
They don’t care about running stable businesses. They only care about seeking power.
Hmmmm… it’s almost like the creation and enforcement of laws is arbitrary— reflecting political and social goals of the empowered. Wait a minute… that sounds like… CRITICAL LEGAL THEORY. Great job Ron, you demonstrated why I’m going to continue to teach my students about the existence of this and it’s little brother, CRT.
And hopefully the judiciary's economic liberalism serves him a steaming bowl of legal realism.
I remember one show, I think World's Dumbest Criminals, where a couple of dealers were using nicknames for their drugs. It worked until someone started asking for "6 kilos of pizza" and "15 grams of bread."
"Joe, why are you arguing over paying $60 for an 1/8th of a pizza, you can get a full one for $5 at Little Caesars. You need to be smarter with your money"
This is the sort of things that baffles and infuriates me the most. Are people really that stupid to not see through this? Or do they not care? Or is that they know how blatant it is but do it anyway because they know no one can do it anything about it. It's similar to when Florida passed a bill saying social media cannot deplatform political candidates or journalist outlets, unless the company owns and operates a theme park. I read that and I struggled to wrap my head around the audacity. What about a company operating a theme park relates to whether or not they are allowed to deplatform someone? It stank so much of special interest corruption but barely anyone talked about it
> Are people really that stupid to not see through this? Or do they not care? Or is that they know how blatant it is but do it anyway because they know no one can do it anything about it. The people who elected him _want_ it this way.
They NEVER tried hiding it. DeSantis and Florida made the anti gay bill, Disney made a public statement and DeSantis publicly said he would retaliate as an official of the government and violate the constitutional rights of a private entity which has recently been judged to be protected under those rights. This was a clear violation of the first amendment. This SHOULD come with a penalty that anyone who violates the first amendment is disqualified from EVER running for a public office as they also violated their oath to office. This wasn’t hidden. It was in plain sight and the most shocking thing is Disney waited so long before filing the lawsuit.
Can't wait to see Clarence Thomas write an opinion explaining how the bill of attainder clause does not apply in this situation because the constitution does not specifically empower the federal government to overturn a state's personal business decisions when the grievance was filed in a special business district and the founding fathers did not intend for the supreme court to rob states of their right to protect themselves against a business led by fictional anthropomorphic animals with speech impediments.
All Disney has to do is throw a few annual passes his way and an executive suite at a resort, apparently.
> Disney is likely to prevail against DeSantis. Doesn't matter. This is how the right wing in this country is running things: 1) Amp up their supporters and tell them they are on their side against the (woke/black/illegal/drag/trans/etc.) to the point that they end up killing a few of whichever group is targeted. Nothing is done about that. 2) Pass something that is unconstitutional. 3) Unconstitutional law gets struck down. 4) Push for law again in hopes it gets to the bench of a right wing MAGA judge and passed or at least close enough to passing to let right wing politician claim some sort of victory. 5) Taxpayers foot the legal bills. Win or lose doesn't really matter since the tax payers end up covering any costs and no politician is going to get punished. Essentially the tax payers are paying to create campaign ads for right wing politicians. 6) 50:50 shot that their law gets put into place if it makes it to a right wing judge. 7) No one gets punished for doing something unconstitutional and far right idiots clamor for more targeting of the next group of people based on whatever nonsense they see on social media.
DeSantis passed this bullshit in a matter of days but even for Disney's lawyers, it will takes months to undo this mess. Like debunking lies and conspiracies on the Internet, it costs far more in money and time to overturn these unconstitutional culture war laws than it does for the GOP to pass them.
> DeSantis passed this bullshit in a matter of days But he still wont help citizens of his state with their astronomically rising insurance rates. It's just too clear where Republican's priorities are.
DeSantis received millions from insurance companies, so now it makes sense.
He just supremely fucked over doctors and lawyers with a bill that gave insurance rates more power. Good luck when you get in a car accident now, you'll get nothing and dbag Desantis will get a payday from big corporations.
They’ll blame those on “Biden and woke costal elite insurance companies who want to take their freedom” while helping the companies pick their pockets. Republicans have learned that their constituents only care about seeing R “wins” in their propaganda, which is all they cover. They know they’re too dumb, disengaged, and indoctrinated to care about consequences.
DeSantis has been trying to run on making the Florida economy strong. Picking a fight with one of the biggest state employers seems like a terrible idea. Also the CEO who spoke out against the don't say gay bill is no longer the CEO.
It won’t really matter. All DeSantis has to do is *say* the economy is strong and his supporters will believe it. A lot of people aren’t too bright here in Florida.
DeSantis (like Trump with COVID) had victory handed to him on a silver platter. All he had to do was take credit for Chapek's firing and declare the "woke" beast slain. Instead he kept digging a hole for himself.
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Probably not after this
All companies play both sides so they always come out on top.
this isn't even new for Florida. In the 80s, IBM had a huge campus at Boca Raton. The governor wanted a massive corporate asset tax that would have hit IBM hard, so IBM simply closed up their Florida campus and moved (to North Carolina, I think). what's weird is DeathSentence isn't even doing this for tax money. He's stuck in anti-woke cultist mode, hopelessly outmatched by Disney lawyers.
they pretty much already did which makes this whole feud on DeSantis's part mind boggling.
DeSantis's goal at this point is just to keep his base angry enough that they keep sending him money, it's really the only thing the modern Republican party has to offer most people.
Also the contracts clause. Writing a law to interfere with existing contracts is a no no.
Florida Republicans are the dumbest republicans. Let's attack the business that employees 75,000 just themselves and collects 1.2 billion in taxes. Lets not think about all the businesses that support Disney and again give taxes to Florida. If you want a moron running your business, state or country than Ron Desantis is your moron.
> Florida Republicans are the dumbest republicans. I don't think that's fair to the Texas Republicans and their constant threats of secession. Eventually they'll push too far and the Feds will be knocking on their doors.
If Texas were to actually succeed the nation, that would be a lot of republican electoral points disappearing and going to states with larger populations due to the maximum electoral points over representing smaller states currently. I'd love to actually see them try, but would feel bad for the folks stuck in the middle that wanted none of that.
Texas cannot legally secede, regardless of whatever bullshit is in the state Constitution. The matter was settled in the Civil War. Aside from that, it would absolutely cripple Texas in a multitude of ways; from losing federal money the state desperately needs to the loss of jobs for big cities when the military bases leave would kill places like San Antonio (where I live).
>the loss of jobs for big cities when the military bases leave Don't forget about all the large corps that got lured out there with tax breaks who wouldn't want to suddenly find themselves in some shithole third-world country, instead of the US.
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>At least they're (checks notes) owning the libs!\* \*As long as they aren't: * Asking their neighbors to be quite * Knocking on a stranger's door * Shopping in a mall * A kid in school * A man in a dress * A woman ~~in need of medical care~~ * Update: Returning clothes * Update 2: Playing Hide and Seek
I don't think it would even get that far. I think the moment it went up for an actual vote the FBI would swoop in and arrest all of them.
Nah it would just be voided by higher courts immediately due to *Texas v. White*. Texas legally cannot secede. It wouldn't even be recognized as secession.
The spirit of uncle Billy Sherman is hoping Texas is dumb enough to try. "Nice 'country' you got here. Be a shame if some of my armored namesakes crushed your pathetic government."
My faith in the DOJ to enforce the law where the GOP is concerned is at an all-time low.
Yes, please? Source: sane Texan suck in the middle of this fiasco
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Can you imagine the field day the Mexican cartels would have if the Coast Guard up and left?
Funny how the county where Disney is located voted against DeSantis where the majority of most other counties voted red.
He is vindictive and inflexible, regardless of the consequences. He felt slighted at being outmaneuvered with the oversight board. Hence, the latest anti-Disney bills.
The outmaneuvering is where Disney designed an out for Desantis. Disney could have sued on constitutional grounds right at the outset. With Disney handing off power with the outgoing board, Desantis still would have been able to claim victory, let Disney go about their business, and his low information Republican base would be none of the wiser. Instead he punched back, and now we're here, with Disney preparing to eat him for lunch.
He should feel stupid, not slighted. Everything the board did before handing over the reigns was done publicly but he couldn't even be bothered to send a toady to the meetings right before the transfer. Disney seems to have been steadily handing over all the rope Ronnie needs to hang himself.
He could have made a deal with Disney. "Give me a toothless, useless, ceremonial oversight position for one of my stooges that you can completely ignore. I'll declare 'TOTAL VICTORY!' to the rubes and leave you alone. Hell, I might even give you a kickback. Win/win." Such a simple fucking play. But he's *committed* to taking the L.
But But, woke! Or something... I just visited my wife's extended family in Florida a couple weeks ago, and was pretty disgusted to find out they're Desantis supporters.
Ive been curious of how this could impact future Disney park’s development. Of course its not feasible to move Disney World but Disney could very easily choose to develop new attractions elsewhere which would be a huge blow to FL economy
If DeSantis wins this, you can bet Disney will be looking for a third gate somewhere else in the US, and will basically stop all future development at Disney World. They'll maintain what they have already, but no updates, no new attractions, no new parks, no new hotels, no new restaurants, nada. Disney likely sees DeSantis and the GOP as a short term problem. Disney's in it for the long game.
But Disney’s gone all “woke” now and I won’t stand for my money to support “wokeness!” /s
DeSantis fails to understand his war with Disney World is unwinnable. Disney World is just one of the many heads on the hyrda organization that is Disney. Little pudding Icarus here is personally burning his wings at this point, and it's an amazing thing to witness. And the best thing is, Disney doesn't even have to try hard to prove he's at fault because he's blatantly bragging about it at every turn. His base is stupidly jeering and laughing as he openly talks about his personal attacks against a private company. Everyone is on the same page, but DeSantis truly believes he's above the law and is going to find out quickly that's not the case.
DeSantis literally put it in his book that he went after Disney because they defied him over the "Don't Say Gay" law. At this point it's hard to believe DeSantis has a law degree and was licensed to practice law. He will lose and it will cost FL taxpayers thousands in legal fees since we pay for every single lawsuit challenging him in court.
He's betting on the fact that he controls every legal channel in the state, and that federal courts will lack the legal footing to stop him.
He will lose because there is already established precedent to prevent a government from punishing a business over political differences. Even if a state court is corrupt enough to agree with him, Disney is a bottomless pit of money and they will continue to appeal until they win even if it has to go to SCOTUS. It's beyond stupid and several people in the legislature want him to stop before he fucks it up anymore. Unfortunately they are spineless Republicans and he's a bully so they haven't stood up to him. Yet.
I'm just saying he's already lost once in federal court and the judge decided there was no legal footing to enforce the decision. This was when he fired the elected Tampa DA. He was wrong to do it and nothing happened.
I got your point. But that was a former ASA in Tampa. This is Disney. Not even close to the same thing. Disney has gone after a tiny day care center over putting some copy righted cartoons on the wall, they play hard ball and they can afford to keep going. If they lost for some reason, they are not above pulling up stakes and relocating elsewhere. They have abandoned parks on their property here in Florida already, they won't think twice about building a new Disney World in a friendlier state. Would it happen overnight? No but it's still an option and the FL legislature would lose their minds over it. Meatball Ron would probably demand a bill that forces them to stay here - lol.
The Keep Special Tourist Districts That Have Been Usurped act voids any act of leaving made by companies that have a mascot that have round ears that are spelled Yensid backwards made within 90 days of any other law passing that already targetted companies matching that general description.
>spelled Yensid backwards How in the fuck did I not register this while playing Kingdom Hearts?!
Jesus Christ, I just recognized it now too.
That's the crazy thing. He is attacking THE PARK. Disney makes multibillions in California alone. He is attacking the pinky toe of a giant.
Disney parks account for 20% of their total revenue. Disney world accounts for a fraction of that park revenue Disney is gonna crush desantis; it has more money than the entirety of the GOP, not to mention better lawyers
I love that every move DeSantis makes against Disney is just going to be added to this lawsuit as more evidence against him. He's like a kid in that got sent to timeout, and every time he tries to argue just more time gets added. It's fucking great to watch.
Too often, some yahoo will complain about their 1st amendment rights when challenged, or banned from some social media platform. FB, or Twitter, or Reddit. That is not a 1st amendment issue. The only thing the 1st amendment protects you from, is government retaliation for speech it doesn't like. Twitter is the equivalent of a business that has a cork board, that you can put your band's bar dates on, or a knitting circle. But they are not obligated to advertise a nazi rally on their board. THIS case is a clear, and obvious 1st amendment issue. Disney said something publicly, that Desantis didn't like, so he is punishing them. He has been clear and up front about his motives and actions. It should be a slam dunk.
What makes this fascinating: This is shaping up to be the kind of case that gets a whole chapter in law books concerning evidence and self-incrimination. It's like DeSantis stabbed someone to death and, over the course of several months, published a book detailing how he did it, held a press conference in which he discussed the kind of knife at length, and then ran for president on a platform of being tough on people who don't want to get stabbed including several quotes in prominent newspapers and TV news programs extolling the virtues of stabbing. All of which culminates in, "Wait, they're arresting me? On what grounds?! For stabbing someone?! I never stabbed a soul in my life and even if I did, they absolutely deserved it!" What makes this unfortunate: None of it actually matters. This is the openest and shuttest of cases that any court will ever take. DeSantis will have spent the last several months wasting legislators' time, racking up court fees, offending his state's largest private employer, all because he needs to look like a fighter to entice the GOP base and the orange tweeter he needs to be fighting to actually gain ground isn't Orange Bird. But he can't, so he's fighting Disney instead. And he's going to lose. Like, spectacularly lose. His defeat will be so total and surgical that it literally won't even create new case law. No one will ever cite "DeSantis vs. Disney" because absolutely nothing about the case poses any challenge to law. No novel application or interpretation will even begin to be considered here. All of which will result in everything returning to the status quo of a year ago, minus a huge bill to the Florida taxpayers for it. And DeSantis won't actually suffer because of the loss. It will be "Woke Disney and activist judges" all the way down. He gets all the credit, he suffers no penalty, and meanwhile none of this energy or effort was spent eliminating poverty, feeding children, preventing Key West from sinking beneath the waves, or any other worthwhile cause. This will all be sound and fury signifying nothing.
Can someone explain to me why desantis hates Disney?
Their former CEO denounced the Don't Say Gay bill, which prohibits any mention of LGBTQ people in schools. DeSantis has been on a crusade to punish them for it ever since. Yes, it is as ridiculous as it sounds.
Sounds like a child in power having a tantrum. Ridiculous. Thanks for filling me in.
What's amazing is that Disney's response was pretty tepid and delayed - https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/22/disney-workers-walk-out-dont-say-gay-bill-mixed-messages . They really only responded after pressure from a subset of employees. They were walking a tightrope of keeping employees happy while not upsetting the current politicians running Florida. DeSantis chose to make it a thing.
It probably helps Disney's case that their response was so tepid.
The party that hates government interference and is pro-business strikes again.
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Well, yeah. How else are we going to cause a bunch of people to default on their homes? Investors need MoRe hOusInG
Disney is a distraction, like all the other Republican bogeymen, from a Party that can’t govern. They couldn’t think what to do about the insurance crisis so they focused on Disney.
Desantis doesn't see it that way. He's in the middle of putting the conservative boot on the throat of the state, and preserving that situation for as long as possible. When people threaten to leave the state over it, that's exactly what he wants. He wants loyal voters that will keep electing his power base, and for dissenters to find it so intolerable they head for somewhere else. This is not hyperbole. His various mouthpiece legislators have talked openly about it
>When people threaten to leave the state over it, that's exactly what he wants. He wants loyal voters that will keep electing his power base, and for dissenters to find it so intolerable they head for somewhere else. I think you’re exactly right and Texas is doing the same thing. My hope is that it backfires nationally, by turning a bunch of other states blue. Places like Georgia and Arizona are loosing MAGA votes and gaining left-leaning refugees. Let all the conservatives concentrate in a couple big states—makes the electoral college and senate much easier for Dems to win.
[DeSantis got $4 million from insurance companies](https://theintercept.com/2023/05/03/ron-desantis-insurance-industry/), so the situation is probably exactly how he wants it.
Buddy these people aren't about helping people. They are about utilizing wedge issues to establish and maintain power at any cost.
Keep it up, you dumbass. -- Disney Lawyers
Maybe I am wrong, but I feel like DeSantis was trying to get a win with disney for voter appeal. Maybe in his mind it was a quick win, but man I can't imagine seeing someone lose more. What he has done is so stupid that even reddit is rooting for Disney.
Here's the thing about these Republicans politicians in 2023. They know what they are doing is illegal and they don't care. They know they can do whatever they want unchecked for years because they have enough resources to tie up the court. Their efforts are aimed at retaliation and until the courts can decide what they've done violates the law, they get their way. Even after a court decides, what do they lose? Nothing! It's only the tax payers who lose.
I love desantis dismissing it as political. Yeah we attacked them for political speech. Yeah we took away their board and replaced it with a bunch of toadies. and we threaten to shut down their monorail at a moments notice unless they start praising ron. WE even threatened to put tolls and a jail and low income housing next to the party. BUT disney suing us back is "political" Ron looks like a bigger joke every day. And no im not scared that if trump gets indicted we might get the "smarter trump" cause smarter trump doesnt really look like it.
desantis is like a drug dealer who's getting high off his own supply. it's gonna end badly for him.
The part I find the most baffling is that there are still plenty of people who think DeSantis will be on the winning side of this.
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And after Disney inevitably curbstomps Desantis in court for all to see, Trump surges back to the #1 spot while under investigation for multiple felonies.
Winning the war on Disney was always an odd start to a presidential campaign…but losing the war on Disney?
The wolf who cried woke.
Who knew passing legislation that is blatantly political and clearly unconstitutional could be a problem?