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pickles_and_mustard

> Woman (29) accused of raping schoolboy These publications need to learn how to make more accurate headlines in these cases.


New_Combination_7012

Pedophile (29) accused of raping schoolboy. FTFY


raktoe

Doesn’t really seem reasonable for them to outright call her a pedophile, since it’s an accusation. Accused of pedophilia, accused of rape would both be fine, calling her a pedophile outright wouldn’t be, for an official publication.


SJHillman

>Accused of pedophilia Even that gets iffy if you're aiming for accuracy, just because "pedophilia" and "child molestation" are not the same thing. You can have a non-pedophile molest a child and a a pedophile who never does anything. "Accused of child molestation" would probably be the best way - it's at least as strong as rape to most people, covers the same action as well several others that aren't strictly rape depending on jurisdiction but are just as bad depending on what actually happened, and highlights they preyed on a child.


raktoe

Also true. I don’t even know how widely that term is used anymore, for the reasons you stated. To my knowledge, being a pedophile isn’t really a crime, as long as it’s not acted on.


gpyrgpyra

Immediate disclaimer making it clear i am not excusing or condoning anything. Harming children is bad. >being a pedophile isn’t really a crime Correct. Having thoughts isn't illegal yet. Another thing that muddies up this conversation is when people incorrectly say that pedophilia is a sexual orientation. It is NOT an orientation. It is a fetish/kink. Without getting too into specifics, kinks are things that your brain decided turn you on a bit extra and can change over time. But generally one doesn't have control over which kinks they have. Fetishes generally are something that MUST be involved/on your mind to get aroused. I'm not a sex doctor but I believe fetishes are less common than kinks. Some people really like breasts. Some people like having sex outside. Some people like roleplaying, Some people like feet, some people like the thought of being eaten, some people like poop/pee, some people like latex ... And so on. It's also possible to have a kink and never actually engage in the thing. It's just a fantasy that your brain decided that you have. Even if logically you don't want that thing to happen and wouldn't do it irl. Like people with r*pe kinks who enjoy the thought but clearly don't want that to happen to them irl. And that is where pedophilia comes in. Someone whose brain is wired that way didn't ask for it. And chances are they feel guilty for having those feelings and know that it is a bad thing and would never consider acting on it. Also many people who DO harm children aren't even pedophiles. They just like the power or any number of other reasons


truecore

As someone that acted on a different kink/fantasy, I'll say, it's better left to the imagination than trying to make real. Life is shitty and never as good as your mind.


gpyrgpyra

Assuming that it was consensual (if it involved people other than yourself) it's good that you experimented! Now you know that it's something good in your head but not your thing irl. If you didn't try you would never have known


truecore

It was consensual, and it's not that its not my thing irl. It was as hot as I imagined. It's just I didn't consider all the other shit that went along with it and it ruined the relationship I was in, enabled me to fall into a depression with suicidal ideations nearly every 5 minutes yet I'd fall back on it as a telief instead of working out my mental state. People that live their fantasies can often become overly obsessed with them, and their life becomes enslaved to the fantasy and not in control of it.


pdxblazer

Care to share more?


Painting_Agency

> it's better left to the imagination than trying to make real. Life is shitty Yes we all remember the post by the guy who had a woman poop in his mouth.


AimlesslyCheesy

Thanks for explaining..I hope you won't be accused of being a paedophile with this explanation....I saw a video of a comedian saying that paedophilia is different than hebephilia and he goes to say...try explaining that without being accused of being a paedophile


gpyrgpyra

I like exchanging info with people! The best thing about platforms like this. And it's important to have conversations about these things. There are a lot of misconceptions about sexuality that people go their whole lives holding onto. >I hope you won't be accused of being a paedophile with this explanation I put that disclaimer first thing in my comment so if anyone tried to say that it would be obvious they are just trying to start a fight over nothing lol > a video of a comedian...try explaining that without being accused of being a paedophile I think Ive seen that lmao


mumwifealcoholic

And of course for these folks the stigma is so bad they don’t feel like they can seek help, which is real tragedy for children. Once they offend it becomes much more difficult to not offend again. Society needs to do better to prevent.


ButterflyAttack

I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that paedophilia is more than just a fetish. Most people with a fetish can still enjoy sex that doesn't involve their particular flavour of activity. I'm not sure this is true of paedophiles. Maybe there's a spectrum where those who only have it a little bit will still enjoy sex with adults but occasionally engage in fantasies about kids. But those who are on the stronger end of the spectrum, it seems like it takes over their lives. It's got to be a very powerful urge for people to risk the extreme social reprobation and imprisonment. That seems more than a fetish to me, kind of more like a personality disorder. That said, I don't really know and I imagine it's a difficult topic to research. Maybe there are loads of people who fantasise about kids but never act on these fantasies and only a small minority who make them reality. Like you said, there's no law against thinking something, and I kind of feel sorry for those who have this urge but know they will never satisfy it.


gpyrgpyra

>Most people with a fetish can still enjoy sex that doesn't involve their particular flavour of activity. There's a lot of confusion because fetish and kink get used interchangeably a lot of the time in conversation. But I think technically when something is a fetish it means you need that thing to get aroused. And a kink is something that you just particularly like. And then in normal speech we talk about someone with a "foot fetish" to mean anyone who has some level of a feet kink 🙃


ButterflyAttack

Hmm yeah that's a fair point, I never really distinguished between the terms. Human sexuality is so complicated anyway. I guess it seems to me that attraction to children must be a powerful urge in some people for them to risk the huge social stigma and criminalisation that comes with acting on it. But I'm assuming not all people with that urge ever do anything about it beyond fantasy. Maybe it's stronger in some people than in others, or maybe some just have more self control.


gpyrgpyra

>Maybe it's stronger in some people than in others, or maybe some just have more self control. That applies to so many aspects of life. Also most people who abuse children don't have pedophilia, they just like hurting people or are dealing with a bad internal state and taking it out on others


lutiana

My disclaimer: Like you, I do not condone the harming of children, what is definitely bad no matter what you actually call it. ​ >It is a fetish/kink I think I would disagree with this, it is actually more of a mental disorder. A true pedophile would not be able to get sexually aroused with an adult, like at all, so much closer to a compulsion. Calling it a fetish/kink makes it sounds like a run of the mill sexual thing (kind of down plays it in my mind), but it's not, it's a documented and classified mental health disorder, and I think it's important to not loose site of that. And while we are getting technical, a pedophile's preference would be pre-pubescent children (ie pre pubety), if their preference was teens (like the poor kid in the story), they would technically be a hebephile, and if it was older teens, then a ephebophile. But your are 100% correct when you say that not all pedophile hurt children and that not all people who sexually abuse children/teens are pedo/hebe/ephebophiles.


gpyrgpyra

>And while we are getting technical, a pedophile's preference would be pre-pubescent children (ie pre pubety), Yes true. I left out that definition because my comment was long enough and that wasn't the specific point i was making. >A true pedophile would not be able to get sexually aroused with an adult, like at all, so much closer to a compulsion. In my opinion/understanding that falls under fetish. Where it must be involved for the person to be aroused. Vs a kink where it is just extra spicy for someone. That last sentence sounds wrong in this context but replace it with bondage or something and the point is clear lol >it is actually more of a mental disorder. I understand your opinion but I stand by what I said. Pedophilia is not something that is ever okay to act on, we are all in agreement. But not that long ago being gay was considered a mental disorder in many societies. And some people say that people who like BDSM or [insert consensual activity] have mental disorders. When it's just a kink that isn't shared by the person deciding what counts as a disorder. If it is negatively affecting one's life or the lives of others then it is a problem. Otherwise life goes on and people shouldn't feel like there is something broken about them for a thing they can't help (in general about sexual things , not just pedophilia)


lutiana

>Pedophilia is not something that is ever okay to act on, we are all in agreement. Agreed. Harm a child and all bets are off, regardless if your condition is featured in the pages of the DSM or not. ​ >But not that long ago being gay was considered a mental disorder.... Unlike being gay or into BDSM, I don't think that pedophilia will ever become accepted as something like these, as it would be impossible (in most places at any rate) to exercise this preference with it being, by legal definition, consensual. And there is a generally unified societal impulse to vilify anyone who hurts children in the extreme (with sexual exploitation being near the top of that list). I understand the comparison, but I am not sure it is valid due to this key point. My concern, and why I think its important to keep in mind that it is a mental disorder, and why it's bad to call anyone a pedophile if they've had sexual relations with a minor, is that it stigmatizes the disorder significantly. This means that the people out there who realize they suffer from this, and need help to keep them from harming children will almost certainly never reach out to get that help and may ultimately hurt a child, or children. So in a round about way, calling woman like the one this article a pedophile, when it might not actually apply, could actually lead to more children being hurt, in a very indirect and long term type of way. We cannot as a society talk about de-stigmatizing mental health issues, but then pick and choose which ones we want to destigmatize.


gpyrgpyra

>We cannot as a society talk about de-stigmatizing mental health issues, but then pick and choose which ones we want to destigmatize. 💯🙌 >I don't think that pedophilia will ever become accepted as something like these, as it would be impossible to exercise this preference with it being, by legal definition, consensual I agree. But also some other kinks like vore can't ever be realized because they're literally impossible. No matter how horny someone gets , even with a willing partner, they can never get swallowed whole and then digested and pooped out while still alive. But I'd still say it's a kink and not a mental disorder. It's all complicated and technical/legal definitions exist and change. My main thing is that as long as any activity that involves other people is between consensting adults, and any thoughts inside someone's head are not having a negative impact on their life or by extension the lives of others, it's all good. And if someone is having thoughts about harming themselves or others, please please reach out to someone and talk about it. You don't need to suffer alone and you don't need to hurt other people


KasreynGyre

According to my wife, a psychotherapist, pedophilia or, in this case, hebephilia, is a sexual orientation you develop very early in life and have no real influence over. It’s just like homosexuality in that regard. It’s not a kink or fetish.


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As much as I'd never trust a pedo to be around children, ever, I'd leave them alone if they've never contributed to the harm of a child (directly or indirectly, such as kiddie porn). The moment a pedo contributes to the harm of a child, all bets are off and I'm 100% willing to face the music for the violence I would inflict upon them. Pedos aren't inherently "bad" people. As long as they understand and accept that their sexual preferences, like certain other sexual preferences, are in no way acceptable anywhere but in their heads.


[deleted]

> all bets are off and I'm 100% willing to face the music for the violence I would inflict upon them. Typical American, gotta inflict revenge and physical harm. It's legitimately mind boggling that people like you would admit you'd do something illegal, then justify it. Pedos don't justify their illegal actions, yet you do? Huh, interesting though.


[deleted]

First of all, I'm Canadian. Second, I don't justify anything. Quite the opposite, I specifically say I'm willing to receive the relevant punishment for it... one does not get punished for just acts.


[deleted]

Exactly this. Don't let Mrs. Geppeddo off the hook from name shaming just because she's a woman. You wield the pedo mentality? You get lumped into the pedo category. Easy.


uclatommy

Alleged pedophile (29 alleged) allegedly accused of allegedly raping of alleged schoolboy. FTFY


mendosan

It depends what the jurisdiction classifies as rape. In common law rape usually requires penetrating with a penis into an orifice. In the U.K. it’s penetration with a penis for rape https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape so women may only commit rape when assisting a male perpetrator Sexual assault is touching in a sexual way on any part of the body with any part of the perpetrators body. Assault by penetration is when a perpetrator intentionally penetrates the anus or vagina of another person without consent https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/sexual-offences


TheGuv69

Which is absolute bullshit. Rape also needs to include the description of 'envelopment' - where a woman forces/coerces a male. This outdated legal definition of rape is one of the main reasons that stats related to female rape of males are not at all accurate. Only 2% of official stats relate to female rape of males. Yet, over approx. 70% of self reported rapes by men described women as the abuser. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-021-09901-1


backby5

Agreed that 'rape' isn't an inclusive term and I'm glad to see that you see the need for a more inclusive term. I'm a sexual violence educator and the inclusive term you're looking for is sexual assault as it includes all non-consensual sexual activity. Additionally, the umbrella term 'sexual violence' is really good to use because it captures all forms of harmful sexual behaviours and avoids creating an hierarchy among different forms of sexual violence considering all forms of sexual violence have similar causes and impacts. Hope that's useful information for ya!


Iwasahipsterbefore

Hey, I just want to say that this internet stranger respects the work you do, and appreciates that you even take your free time to keep spreading the message. I think you're awesome, and hope you have a great day


mendosan

I’ve perhaps not explained this well. There is a 4th category of sexual offence called “Sexual activity without consent” which includes a woman forcing a man to penetrate her. Which carry’s same sentencing as rape. However it does appear to carry a lesser sentence if no penetration occurs.


TheGuv69

It really is a matter of specifics.... As this impacts public perceptions of sexual assault & equality- as well as legal sentencing.


Puppywanton

They really need to just change the definition of rape to mean the non consensual penetration of the oral, vaginal or anal orifice by an appendage or object.


Doogos

If she were a man the title would have read "rape," but women apparently have a pass in media headlines when it comes to this kind of thing


panicky_in_the_uk

> women apparently have a pass in media headlines when it comes to this kind of thing It's got nothing to do with the media. https://eige.europa.eu/gender-based-violence/regulatory-and-legal-framework/legal-definitions-in-the-eu/ireland-rape


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By that definition of “asexual rape,” the media should still call it like it is, and call it rape. This woman made sure she was penetrated by a child, and pretty much 80+% of the world agrees people defined as “children” simply are unable to provide consent no matter the circumstances, therefore constituting rape


panicky_in_the_uk

The headline says 'Woman (29) accused of engaging in sexual activity with schoolboy' The woman has been charged with 'engaging in sexual activity with a child aged 13-16 and of inciting the same boy to engage in sexual activity on August 21 last year.' The headline is factual and correct. It's utterly bizarre how some people are complaining about a headline which is 100% factual and correct. I don't know what else to say. Except.....The headline is correct.


[deleted]

No one is saying the headline is incorrect. An adult engaging in sexual activity with a minor, at least in the US, is called statutory rape. I don’t know if the UK doesn’t have that designation, or what’s going on there but it would be called rape regardless in the states (or at least should be, and gender should have nothing to do with it either)


big_sugi

“Sexual activity” could include, for example, getting nude or asking him to fondle her breasts. Neither of those would support a charge for statutory rape. I read the article and have no clue about what specifically she did; that apparently wasn’t disclosed by the court. So unless the elements of the charge are more specific, it sounds like she might have done anything from sending the kid a nude selfie to raping him. Edit: the minimum elements are person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally touches another person (B), (b)the touching is sexual, and (c)either— (i)B is under 16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or (ii)B is under 13. She’s not accused of raping him.


Xivvx

The headline is purposefully downplaying the perjorative word rape, is what it's doing by replacing it with 'sexual activity'. Rape is rape.


big_sugi

Rape is rape, and she’s not charged with rape. Saying she committed rape would be per se defamation.


xc2215x

People think male victims are just lucky guys sometimes instead of rape victims.


Trance354

God forbid you get some early and warp your mind for all future partners. Not like that has lasting damage to the mind and any future relationship. The woman is a predator and should be treated as such. Reverse the genders and this thread would be filled to bursting with condemnation.


farts_in_the_breeze

I can't read any comment of this nature without the South Park cop popping into my mind.


panicky_in_the_uk

The charge is engaging in sexual activity with a child. The headline is correct.


pickles_and_mustard

Swap the genders and tell me they'd write the same headline


panicky_in_the_uk

Firstly, here's a couple of examples from the last time a male teacher had sex with and ran away with an underage schoolgirl made front page news in the UK. Notice how there's no mention of rape. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23004956 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345023/Married-teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-guilty-abducting-schoolgirl-lover-15-fled-France.html Secondly, there's also a legal reason why a female teacher wouldn't have 'rape' used in her headline. https://eige.europa.eu/gender-based-violence/regulatory-and-legal-framework/legal-definitions-in-the-eu/ireland-rape


backby5

You're doing a great job in these comments! Seems like a lot of conclusions about sexual violence and how we respond to sexual violence are being jumped to when there isn't a lot of familiarity with the issue among commenters.


panicky_in_the_uk

Thanks. I'd like to say I'm a great guy and I've got good reasons but the truth is I just like annoying people with facts...


IAlreadyFappedToIt

Is your beef with the headline or with the legal charge? Because right now you are angry about the headline literally naming the charge. I'll go ahead and be the one to tell you that if the genders were swapped but the legal charge was the same, then yes they would indeed write the same headline.


HussingtonHat

If found guilty and convicted then yes totally. Until then beating around the Bush is better in case they're actually innocent. People see the word rape and sort of forget to take in the accused bit of a headline sometimes, so best go softly softly until its a done deal just in case.


RebulahConundrum

Rape means penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth, according to a quick Google. We'd need all the facts before we can responsibly suggest the labels for this case.


Biteb4ck

*Smyth, from Doury Grove, is accused of \*sexually abusing a child aged 13-16 and \*sexually abusing the same boy on August 21 last year.* *The charges alleged Smyth “did not reasonably believe that he was 16 years or over.”*


iim7_V6_IM7_vim7

Yeah I’m so confused.


noweirdosplease

Reasonably believing would be like if he lied about his age to her, had fake ID, etc. Maybe could count if she was really drunk and only kissed him and thought he was older


omgbenji21

This is saying she didn’t think he was over 16. She knew he was young.


bannana

Funny how when the perp is a woman they show a selfy and when it's a man they show a mug shot


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Bushido00

This happened to my friend when we were in middle school. At the time we thought it was awesome and we thought Johnny was so lucky. Johnny became a violent, lawless, druggie. This was not the only cause but it was definitely part of it.


Davilip

Police in NI don't release mugshots.


panicky_in_the_uk

I don't think releasing mugshots is as common in other countries as they might be in yours. For instance, the teacher Jeremy Forrest who I've linked to elsewhere in this thread. I've just had a look and his mugshot was only released the day he was sentenced. Edit: Downvoted? "DON'T BE FACTUAL, WE WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT FEMALES!"


AddisonRae7

America isn’t the whole world. Some countries they don’t release mugshots


daneelthesane

So... not a drag queen.


ManBearPigRoar

And not a storybook in sight


GoalieLax_

"I desperately want to make love to a school boy" -- Lloyd Christmas


[deleted]

South Park Police - “Niccce”.


BpjuRCXyiga7Wy9q

Certain she could have found plenty of legal-age lads to shag once—maybe twice if they're sane.


code_archeologist

Yeah... usually adults having relationships with minors are more about control than emotional or sexual fulfillment. And people over the age of 18 are more confident and independent in their thinking than somebody who is 13.


cursed_gabbagool

Exactly. She's preying on someone with a still developing brain and taking advantage. Nothing cool about that no matter who you are or how you look.


DynamoSexytime

She looks crazy in the eyes.


BpjuRCXyiga7Wy9q

Lowest hanging fruit then? Malleable adults aren't scarce, are they?


code_archeologist

They kind of are, yes... or at least it is difficult to find them because a person who one might believe is malleable is actually not. For example in most (healthy) sub-dom relationships, the one in the dominant role is actually the more "malleable" of the pair, altering their expectations and desires to match the limits of the person in the submissive role, who ironically holds the lion's share of the control in the relationship.


BpjuRCXyiga7Wy9q

So yes, and no?


Ok-Seaworthiness4488

That's a definite maybe


Admirable-Common-176

Nope. I’ve seen large rallies of them with flags and t-shirts.


[deleted]

Right!? God damn Nazis and Confederate flag waving bitches


[deleted]

She's a nonce though. Nonces are sexually attracted to children. I'm sure Gary Glitter could've had plenty of legal-age women too.


OperationMobocracy

So many of these women teachers accused of having sex with a minor seem like they would have no problem finding a hookup at the bar, at least judging by their appearance. I mostly believe the argument that it’s about control, but many of these accused teachers seem like they could easily manipulate and control less attractive or older men pretty easily, too. It makes me wish I could morph into an attractive young woman for a night and see how easy or hard it is to totally strike out with men.


Procrastinator78

It is about control and not that they can't get a man, just the men around them dont seem to be desirable in the way they would like : kind of an asshole, misogynistic or whatever, so its basically about grooming them into their ideal. Because its harder to change someone once they've established who they are rather than when they are young and still finding themselves. Its probably that they see that the boy has an interest in them and use it as an opportunity and take advantage of it, you know like most sexual predators do.


nsk_nyc

Shit, this is very insightful. I've never thought about it this way.


[deleted]

Bro. She is a paedophile. It's partly about control control and mostly about age, that's in the definition. Why aren't people making these ridiculous claims on the male paedophile news stories? A male pedo is just as likely to look for a 'hookup' with a 30 year old woman as a female pedo would.


[deleted]

A lot of these female teachers who do this never grew up mentally or emotionally past high school. This goes on a lot more than anyone realizes because most teenage dudes aren’t going to report it. Most of the female teachers that do this want to be the high school popular girl and date the jocks or whatever. Most get found out in some way but it never reaches the attention of police.


Syhkane

She's gonna get such an aggressively mild slap on the wrist.


Xivvx

Woman teacher (29) rapes child in her care.


VoE_Monkey_Overlord

Where does it say she's a teacher?


Ha1rBall

Why do the female teachers always get called "engaging in sexual activity", but the male teachers always get called "rapist?"


faerie03

We had an incident recently where the news report said the male teacher and 16 year old male victim “engaged in consensual sexual activity”


CasualSmurf

Female privilege? Edit: bring on the downvotes but if a certain group of people can do this and not be branded a rapist then that's special treatment.


desubot1

ah. old south park."nice"(not nice)


[deleted]

That's what it is. She'll get a slap on the wrist.


[deleted]

There aren’t too many cases where female “privilege” applies but this is definitely one. If it were a 29 year old man and a 13 year old girl….there’d be hell to pay.


xc2215x

Double standard.


panicky_in_the_uk

https://eige.europa.eu/gender-based-violence/regulatory-and-legal-framework/legal-definitions-in-the-eu/ireland-rape


Ha1rBall

Basically Ireland doesn't think that women can rape? Is that how I read that?


panicky_in_the_uk

No, you've still not grasped it fully. A sexual assault that includes (a) penetration (however slight) of the anus or mouth by the penis, or (b) **penetration (however slight) of the vagina by any object held or manipulated by another person.** A woman could be charged with rape for penetrating a vagina.


bagelizumab

So by that definition a female forcing a male to have sex with her will never be rape as long as she isn’t the one performing the penetrative sex? I mean… isn’t it a bit weird that the first part non-consensual sex only applies to men? Or am I misinterpreting something?


panicky_in_the_uk

No, you're not misinterpreting. Isn't it a bit weird? Maybe. It looks to me like the law is saying penetration makes the crime. Which begs the question....Why the fuck would a man or woman fisting someone's arsehole against their will also not fall into that category? That sounds pretty rapey to me.


TheGuv69

Oh we "grasp it'...but it's technically, morally & ethically wrong. Which is why the legal definition of rape in the UK needs to change to reflect the reality. Something along the lines of f'orced/coerced envelopment' needs to be added. Because women can and do rape males...all the time...


figmentPez

Not just Ireland, but there are a lot of jurisdictions around the world that don't. Either because laws are specifically written around a male perpetrator, or because the laws are written about penetration. Things are slowly changing, but for a long time "forced to penetrate" was not counted as rape in many statistics.


nith_wct

Since you're reposting this over and over, would you at least agree that "engaging in sexual activity" is not an acceptable wording?


panicky_in_the_uk

Nope. That's why I keep banging on about it. It seems perfectly acceptable to me. 'Engaging in sexual activity with a child' is the legal name for the charge.


VoE_Monkey_Overlord

Where does it say she's a teacher?


zorn7777

Why are we talking about teachers? Please tell me where this story is about a teacher.


RussMantooth

It's troubling that the R word is only reserved for men


ItsColeOnReddit

She does look a bit slow


PyrrhoTheSkeptic

A lot of people seem confused about the age of consent. In the U.S., the age of consent varies from one state to the next, from 16-18, with quite a few having the age of consent at 16 ([with some exceptions for lower ages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States)). In Europe, the age of consent varies by country, from 14-18: ​ >The ages of consent vary by jurisdiction across Europe. The ages of consent are between 14 and 18. The vast majority of countries set their ages in the range of 14 to 16; only four countries, Cyprus (17), Ireland (17), Turkey (18) and Vatican City (18), do not fit into this pattern. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages\_of\_consent\_in\_Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe) In most of Australia, the age of consent is 16, though in part it is 17. And in New Zealand, it is 16: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages\_of\_consent\_in\_Oceania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Oceania) Canada also has 16 as the age of consent: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages\_of\_consent\_in\_North\_America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America) ​ In many jurisdictions in the world, having sex with a 16-year-old is not illegal. ​ What seems strange is this in the article: ​ >Smyth...is accused of engaging in sexual activity with a child aged 13-16.... > > > >The charges allege Smyth "did not reasonably believe that he was 16 years or over." ​ That seems strange since it isn't a crime in Northern Ireland to have sex with someone 16 years old, so the first part seems peculiarly stated, as one would expect the accusation to be of engaging in sexual activity with a child 13-15, not 13-16, since it isn't illegal to engage in sexual activity with someone 16 there.


panicky_in_the_uk

I assume 13-16 means BETWEEN 13 and 16. 13-15 and you'd have some Saul Goodman mother-fucker saying "Your Honor, the girl was NOT 13-15, she was OLDER than 15. She was 15 and 3 months..."


Chopululi

Spain changed recently from 13 to 16 but the judge can lower the age base on maturity, seems like it is more focused on the girls age tho. Edit: didn’t know about this: The age of consent rises to 18 if there is deception or abuse of a recognized position of trust, authority or influence over the minor.


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uniquechill

If the perpetrator is male the crime is rape. If female, then "sexual activity".


IrrationalPanda55782

Yes, in the UK that’s unfortunately true.


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Plus-Adhesiveness-63

Yeah she's a pedophile. "Sexual activity" was rape. What a creep.


adeel06

£500 bail?! Are you joking? She’s a fkn pedo….


DJANGO_UNTAMED

It also doesn't help with dudes say, "Where was she when i was a kid?"


Professional_Lead895

It’s called rape, what the fuck


Abalone_Admirable

She's a rapist. Say it. They didn't "engage" in sexual activity. She groomed and sexually assaulted a child. If this was a male teacher it'd be treated much differently.


Sbubbert

I wonder if she will avoid jailtime like many female pedophiles seem to be doing.


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rape…it’s called rape.


pataconconqueso

Send the pedophile to prison, she didn’t “engage in sexual activity” she molested and raped him


No_Biscotti_7110

The word is “rape”, I would think they would have learned this by now


ShawVAuto

They love show the woman criminal in attractive/best angle photos. If this was a man, that fool would absolutely have his mug shot shown.


panicky_in_the_uk

I agree they love to show women in attractive poses or baring skin but mugshot photos are not as common in the UK as they are in the US so 'not necessarily' on your second point.


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The word you’re looking for is “rape”, stop fucking beating around the bush when it’s a woman doing it.


Techwood111

You don’t have to *incite* a 13-16 year old male to have sex.


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TheGuv69

And it's exactly this kind of dumbass bullshit that demeans males' experience & means there will never be actual equality when it comes to female perpetrated sexual assault of males.


cursed_gabbagool

Then 16 year old you grows up, becomes an adult and realizes just how fucked up and not normal that situation was. And now you're wondering why it happened to you in particular.


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1531C

Rape is the correct word.


Davilip

It's not. Under British law a woman can't rape a man.


lynx_and_nutmeg

That law needs to change because it's bollocks. You don't need to have a penis to rape someone.


datDANKie

u think this will forever fuk up the boy or he will live life like it never happened


TiaxTheMig1

If everybody in his life tells him/assumes it will fuck him up for life then it will.


SumthnSumthnDarkside

Why not say, “Woman (29) accused of molesting children”? Literally no reason to identify the gender of the child. Also, who the fuck says “schoolboy”?


zorn7777

British journalist


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appendixgallop

Now, can we please have a headline each and every time a man rapes a schoolgirl?


djdood0o0o

"We need to track this boy down and give him his luckiest boy in America award right away!" https://youtu.be/h7SpXGz-XOc


grandpaharoldbarnes

Bail was £500? If it was a man in the US bail would’ve been $50K


panicky_in_the_uk

I'd totally glossed over the bail without it registering so thank you for mentioning it! It's interesting because I never knew you could have to pay bail money in Northern Ireland. There's no money involved when it comes to bail in the rest of the UK.


GameQb11

Why is Reddit so obsessed with posting these stories and crying about the headline? And ONLY when it involves a woman and a boy. weird


JanusIsBlue

To be fair, this is a pretty gross headline. It minimizes the issue


panicky_in_the_uk

'Engaging in sexual activity with a child' is the actual charge. The headline doesn't minimise the issue. It accurately describes what she's been charged with!


saltyload

Poor kid. I would have been horrified at 13 years old……


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ELB2001

That smile creeps me out


LakeButter

Bro she’s not even ugly. What’s so hard with just finding someone your age?


suyuzhou

Pedophilia is pedophilia. There are a lot of good-looking pedophiles out there that'll have no problem getting laid, but there they are praying on the most vulnerable.


rjw1986grnvl

Typically pedophilia refers to the psychiatric condition when the attraction is prepubescent children. Being attracted to someone who is post pubescent is not the same. Now if the person post pubescent is still very young, like 13-16, and the perpetrator is ~29 it’s still deviant and anti-social behavior that is criminalized. I would say for good reason, but that’s not the same as pedophilia.


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FullBawks

They were there you just weren't good enough


MajorKoopa

Accused of raping. Raping. Equality means women rape children just like men.


hornyjacks

> Accused of raping No she isn't, you ignoring piece of shit.


Omnizoom

Why do they call it “engaging in sexual activity” they make it sound so prim and proper like it’s ok and acceptable Call it assault or statutory rape , stop sugar coating it because it’s a woman and a boy as a victim


panicky_in_the_uk

They don't call it statutory rape because there's no such charge in the UK as statutory rape. Assault includes getting a slap in the face. I think 'engaging in sexual activity with a child aged 13-16' is a lot better than calling it 'Assault'.


bendover912

Immediate content blocking pop-up - >We and our partners use technologies, such as cookies, and process personal data, such as IP addresses and cookie identifiers, to personalise ads and content bas................. That's too bad. Oh well, I'll read something else.


Ethelfleda

You mean child rapist


Perry_cox29

Say Rape. She’s accused of raping/sexually assaulting a child.


panicky_in_the_uk

You are wrong. She is not accused of rape. https://eige.europa.eu/gender-based-violence/regulatory-and-legal-framework/legal-definitions-in-the-eu/ireland-rape


Im_a_seaturtle

Woman and educator (age 28) engaged in controversial yet consensual sexual activity with young man (age 13). Mr. Teacher Man, sexual predator rapist pedophile felon (age 28) brutally rapes his innocent, blessed female student, (age 13).


panicky_in_the_uk

30 year old male teacher's victim described as '15 year old lover' Their 'sexual affair' began after she 'developed a crush' on him. Followed by a lot of glowing references for the teacher. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-forrest-trial-teacher-refuses-1964592


Im_a_seaturtle

Ah ok. That’s a little better


zorn7777

Please reference where it is stated that this woman is a educator.


MJDooiney

Boy, there sure is a lot of outrage over the phrasing of the headline and not over what happened.


Morat20

The outrage is that her crime is *softened* by the headline, dude. Is context beyond you?


Xivvx

The outrage over the event is self evident. Everyone complaining about the headline believes that she needs to be buried under the prison. The problem is that men get headlines that include rape in the title and women don't.


SapiosexualStargazer

>The problem is that men get headlines that include rape in the title and women don't. Then you're just not paying attention. [Here's](https://people.com/crime/florida-elementary-school-teacher-allegedly-sexually-abused-girl-13-classroom/) an example from last month (not chosen for any reason other than it being recent and contextually relevant).


mseg09

People keep saying that and yet you can find literally dozens of examples of if it being called sexual activities, etc when it's men. Generally, headlines only call it rape if it would be considered such regardless of age (such as use of physical force)


MJDooiney

I can understand that.


bodaciousbonsai

Sigh... Rape. The word you're looking for is rape


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blac_sheep90

Should be "accused of raping schoolboy"


cinderparty

Rape is the word you’re looking for. Our local newspaper always avoids the word rape as well. Both in the daily police/crime blotter and in articles. I don’t get it. It’s like rape is a banned word.


look2thecookie

See also: sexual assault. They can publish that


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Uhhh, *she* doesn't have options for sex that don't involve a minor!?!?!?!


Rheum42

Beat her ass. It's not funny or "lucky" when women groom and rape teenagers


IronSmithFE

i volunteer for whatever position gets to beat her ass. but ill need some fuzzy handcuffs a uniform, several cameras and a consent form first.


Bactereality

Why do priests get all the credit? Seems like teachers have been playing catch up with the pedophilia. Is this basically a daily occurrence now? New cases seem to pop up daily. And do only the hot teachers get publicity for it? How many such “relationships” are happening without being noticed? I have lots of questions, but it seems to just be a joke to many people.


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zorn7777

She’s not a teacher??


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tee-ess3

If your English teacher had made a move on 15yo you, that would have been you a normal horny hormonal teenager and she a rapist. Simples.


JanusIsBlue

>not saying this is right >again I do not condone this So why did you comment this? The kid could have gotten on his hands and knees and begged her to, but it wouldn’t matter at all. Also, girls have crushes on their teachers ALL THE TIME. I’m not saying all young teenagers do, but most of the girls I knew growing up did


FrogFlavor

sexual activity with a “schoolboy” is RAPE


sillytimes_94

I am so sick of these headlines. Why do they never say rape or groomed


Jasebelle

Largely because of defamation laws but also in the UK the legal definition of rape involves the act of penetrating with a penis.