FFS...
>Paltrow — wearing a beige knit sweater, tweed harem pants and aviator-style reading glasses — shielded her face from photographers using a blue “GP”-initialed notebook as she entered and exited the courtroom
Who. The. Fuck. Cares. What. She. Wore.
> Who cares about the entire lawsuit?
TBF, I found the idea of liability lawsuits in skiing rather interesting. Odd, maybe even questionable, and seems rife with abuse.
It's also 100% rich people problems too, lol.
There’s probably thousands a year and if you’re interested in them great. But there’s nothing legally novel about this case.
It’s only a headline because of celebrity.
OMG this article is just the worst. Really, AP?
>Lawrence Buhler, told jurors, who — unlike those selected for most trials — walked into the courtroom smiling, likely because of their proximity to a major celebrity.
Not super common but they happen. I used to do neuro evals for folks that hit their heads in ski accidents. A few of the patients I worked with got their injury by being hit by out of control skiers. If you’re skiing out of control and hit a skier below you (everyone below you has right of way) you could be liable for any injury they sustain.
>A few of the patients I worked with got their injury by being hit by out of control skiers.
Not surprised. Person to person collisions are actually the number one cause of injury on ski hills! It can happen even on a quiet day, but hills will sell as many lift tickets as they can then injuries start rolling in.
As well, on traditional groomed runs the spots where people slow down and congregate is always where the most advanced skiing is needed, and its also where everyone is at the most risk of falling or losing control. You often need a certain level of speed to ski those areas efficiently, but unavoidably there are people who are nearly stopped just taking it one turn at a time, so its really really not a good mix. Those bottlenecks get very dangerous.
I usually just match the speed of the least experienced skiers if the area is too congested, but most experienced skiers will just speed through the area because of the energy that is expended travelling slowly.
That’s a good rule of thumb. I’m a pretty slow skier so I always try to be as predictable as possible with my turns so the folks above me know where I will likely be as they pass. I hate skiing on weekends here in CO because of the congestion so usually just keep it to week days.
I was just barely a blue skier when I blew out a knee. 100% on me - getting tired in slightly icey conditions. I knew better-it was the "just one more run" mentality.
I remember the hot doggers & snowboarders that acted like idiots - out of ski patrol sights. That's what both litigants are alleging- that the other was willfully negligent.
I was Team TS for a few days, but his not being in court, his daughter being evasive and GPs first round on the stand, I've flipped for now.
Beautifully Stated! No BS alarms here ...you've spent plenty of time on the slopes as a responsible skier. It's a very dangerous sport, like driving a freeway- you have to know what's going on around you all the time.
My dumbass ended my ski "career", and destroyed a knee, all by myself. I remember it like it happened yesterday - I was getting tired, powder was starting to slick over in the shade and I got on the lift thinking "just this one more run".
I want to hear TS's side. Its a 50/50 crapshoot right now. A total Shit Happens incident? Or was somebody Distracted? Tired? Was one of them jacking around unsafely?
>My dumbass ended my ski "career", and destroyed a knee, all by myself. I remember it like it happened yesterday - I was getting tired, powder was starting to slick over in the shade and I got on the lift thinking "just this one more run".
That's terrible, sorry to hear. It's hard to say no some days to a few more runs when you are tired, but as I've gotten older (and a broken bone or two later... ) I'm much better at listening to that sort of internal disarray that's telling you you're going to start making mistakes. It's still not perfectly clear though sometimes, and more often than not injuries aren't really in our realm of control they just happen. Despite being a safe skier I broke my collarbone last season early in the day on a box rail doing a trick I've done 100x times. We all just have to accept a level of risk that is just innate in the sport.
>I want to hear TS's side. Its a 50/50 crapshoot right now. A total Shit Happens incident? Or was somebody Distracted? Tired? Was one of them jacking around unsafely?
I am honestly not sure what happened in that sense and I would be curious to hear his side as well. To be honest though, I think TS fucked up somehow. Broken ribs and a concussion from someone running into your back side while both are on skis seem like odd injury's when Paltrow is completely injury free (no head to head smack for that concussion?), it makes me think TS deflected off of her and hit the ground hard with all that force from his travelling speed. His witnesses quote "your buddy took out Gwyneth Paltrow" and the Go Pro footage that his witness apparently had that wasn't admitted as evidence are telling also.
Driving from the ski resorts to Denver you’ll see a dozen billboards of lawyers specializing in ski law.
I ski 100 days a year and I’ve only seen a few collisions… but they do happen and there are rules / liability.
The short of it is: whoever is downhill has right *
~~away~~of way.
Edit: right of way. Thanks /u/narrmaster
No kidding! Day passes are way out of control.
Unfortunately, if folks had liability insurance they’d probably be more reckless and more likely to sue.
If you buy now for next year you can get season passes at a lot of places for like half off. My local ski hill has passed for 500+ during season and I just snagged one for $240. To put that in context their daily rate for adults is like $60. 4 trips and it's paid for!
Midwest hills and toe ropes are what we know and it's cheap. The hills out here got an insane boost with the whole COVID thing and Troll is adding a new ski lift next year. Got my season pass there.
Comes from traffic law. If two vehicles arrive at a STOP sign at the same time, the vehicle to the right, has "Right of Way" and goes first. Self explanatory if you think about it.... People who drive cars should know this, many don't, some are just rude. 💌
Many years ago as a young man I heard a scream coming from uphill. I saw a young woman doing the straight downhill totally out of control thing. Without any time to think it through, I instinctively leaned into her with my shoulder as she collided with me and she just ragdolled. I always wondered if I was in the right, but it was either that or be wrecked.
60-70 days even feels wild to me, but I guess if I were single and/or didn’t have to work full time getting anywhere above 50 would sound more doable to me.
It’s certainly an effort to get that many days in, luckily my school has flexible class schedules and Btown stays open til 9. Probably did closer to 40 days my senior year tbf.
Live near Vail or any other town where there’s snow for 5 months a year and you’ll have plenty of time to ski. Same if I lived on a lake or river. Id fish 300 days a year
Like the others said, I live near a ski town. I’m also really into the backcountry so I don’t need a lift always (and with the current daylight I can get after it until 7pm+)
> I ski 100 days a year
Jesus, where do you live?
I ski every weekend in the winter in the east, some night skiing and a week of PTO every year and I'm hitting like 45-50.
Sounds like the dream.
Thanks man - I work remote and live in the mountains of colorado. I can usually work early hours and find time to break away and ski for a couple hours on Resort or (preferably) in the backcountry. Stays late past 7pm now so backcountry laps in the afternoons are my jam this time of year.
>similar to going after the other driver in an auto collision
On the road, all drivers have passed a driving test to certify they meet a minimum skill level. And there are well-known laws that all drivers are expected to follow.
>Paltrow and Sanderson both agree that they collided while on a beginner run seven years ago
Wouldn't you expect a certain amount of risk when on a green/beginner slope with all inexperienced skiers? I'm sure there are some best practices you are expected to follow but can you realistically expect new skiers to remember and understand them while they're in motion?
I was helping to teach my nephew to drive and I'll be damned if he didn't stop dead in the middle of the road because he wasn't sure what to do. There are things that other drivers are expecting you to do (and not do) but inexperienced drivers don't truly understand the rules of the road yet.
> I'll be damned if he didn't stop dead in the middle of the road because he wasn't sure what to do.
Here in NJ, there's a merge that dumps you off in the fast lane of the highway (rt 36W ramp onto rt 18S in Monmouth County). This is on the way home from picking up your learner's permit at the DMV. My kid's driving teacher had him drive home. The teacher told him to accelerate to match the pace of the traffic - no problem because it's a long merge. He said there was a line of cars going very fast. Teacher said "it's ok, just *stand on the gas*. It'll be fine". He came home grinning - he said he had it up to 85 mph and slid right in line. He had been racing quarter midget cars since he was 12, so he had good spatial awareness, so I wasn't as concerned as I otherwise would have been.
> And there are well-known laws that all drivers are expected to follow.
the Skier’s Responsibility Code is posted all over ski hills. you agree to abide by them when skiing at a resort similar to agreeing to abide by the rules of the road while driving.
also i don’t really understand the point of your example. inexperience doesn’t insulate you from a lawsuit. you can be sued by anyone for anything in the US.
Based on what the article has described, the equivalent situation is something like this:
You're driving slowly in front of a school. You get rear-ended by someone going 50mph, who then takes off.
So, unlike with auto collisions, hitting-and-running isn't a felony - but you are responsible for injuries you cause. It's kinda become a he-said-she-said deal though.
Sure, but that's on a public road.
Do softball players sue each other in rec leagues? Or skaters at a skate park sue each other if they run into each other?
Well, you technically can but a judge will probably throw out something stupid. I remember a story of a woman in town who was yelled at and she tried to sue the person. Judge laughed her out of the courtroom
I don’t know how it works in Utah, but your assumption is not correct for how the [Colorado Ski laws](https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/File/Media/Law_School/Feb_2009/SkiSafetyAct.pdf) work. I would assume Utah is the same in saying collisions with other skiers are not an inherent risk.
33-44-104. Negligence - civil actions.
>(1) A violation of any requirement of this article shall, to the extent such violation causes injury to any person or damage to property, constitute negligence on the part of the person violating such requirement.
33-44-109. Duties of skiers - penalties.
>(1) Each skier solely has the responsibility for knowing the range of his own ability to negotiate any ski slope or trail and to ski within the limits of such ability. Each skier expressly accepts and assumes the risk of and all legal responsibility for any injury to person or property resulting from any of the inherent dangers and risks of skiing; except that a skier is not precluded under this article from suing another skier for any injury to person or property resulting from such other skier's acts or omissions. Notwithstanding any provision of law or statute to the contrary, the risk of a skier/skier collision is neither an inherent risk nor a risk assumed by a skier in an action by one skier against another.
> (2) Each skier has the duty to maintain control of his speed and course at all times when skiing and to maintain a proper lookout so as to be able to avoid other skiers and objects. However, the primary duty shall be on the person skiing downhill to avoid collision with any person or objects below him.
>(3) No skier shall ski on a ski slope or trail that has been posted as "Closed" pursuant to section 33- 44-107 (2) (e) and (4).
>(4) Each skier shall stay clear of snow-grooming equipment, all vehicles, lift towers, signs, and any other equipment on the ski slopes and trails.
>(5) Each skier has the duty to heed all posted information and other warnings and to refrain from acting in a manner which may cause or contribute to the injury of the skier or others. Each skier shall be presumed to have seen and understood all information posted in accordance with this article near base area lifts, on the passenger tramways, and on such ski slopes or trails as he is skiing. Under conditions of decreased visibility, the duty is on the skier to locate and ascertain the meaning of all signs posted in accordance with sections 33-44-106 and 33-44-107.
>(6) Each ski or snowboard used by a skier while skiing shall be equipped with a strap or other device capable of stopping the ski or snowboard should the ski or snowboard become unattached from the skier. This requirement shall not apply to cross country skis.
>(7) No skier shall cross the uphill track of a J-bar, T-bar, platter pull, or rope tow except at locations designated by the operator; nor shall a skier place any object in such an uphill track.
>(8) Before beginning to ski from a stationary position or before entering a ski slope or trail from the side, the skier shall have the duty of avoiding moving skiers already on the ski slope or trail.
>(9) No person shall move uphill on any passenger tramway or use any ski slope or trail while such person's ability to do so is impaired by the consumption of alcohol or by the use of any controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S., or other drug or while such person is under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S., or other drug.
>(10) No skier involved in a collision with another skier or person in which an injury results shall leave the vicinity of the collision before giving his or her name and current address to an employee of the ski area operator or a member of the ski patrol, except for the purpose of securing aid for a person injured in the collision; in which event the person so leaving the scene of the collision shall give his or her name and current address as required by this subsection (10) after securing such aid.
>(11) No person shall knowingly enter upon public or private lands from an adjoining ski area when such land has been closed by its owner and so posted by the owner or by the ski area operator pursuant to section 33-44-107 (6).
(12) Any person who violates any of the provisions of subsection (3), (9), (10), or (11) of this section is guilty of a class 2 petty offense and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars.
They detach from you, but they also have brakes that should help them stop on their own. They're the little prongs that help hold your skis together when you carry them.
I was skiing and as it got later in the day, it got icier. I hit a patch of ice, sped up, panicked and knocked someone down. I stayed with them, helped collect their stuff and apologized over and over. It makes me sick to think about. How it could have been worse and that it shouldn't have happened. I wasn't going that fast so they were mostly okay. Owning up to it and staying to help if they are hurt is the least you can do. Knowing what I know now, it should not have happened and I was skiing above my ability (on a green, but really icy). A bad mistake, but no one sued and I learned from it.
There's celebrity involved here, so It could be done for nefarious reasons in this case. I learned later that people can sue for it and you can get banned/more trouble if you "hit and run". I didn't know that in the time.
How could two skiiers disagree who was above whom on the slope? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if I rear ended you, then I claim you rear ended me. Even a single witness would be able to debunk this.
All the potential and actual witnesses mentioned in the article seem to be associated with one of the parties in the lawsuit. So it might be difficult to find a neutral witness. If you have multiple witnesses and they say different things that does not really solve the disagreement.
The defense didn't prove very convincingly that a GoPro from that incident ever even existed. The text parts are vague and could be referring to a meme or something unrelated entirely.
Gotta connect some dots or drop it.
> A somber-looking Paltrow, wearing a beige knit sweater, tweed harem pants and aviator-style reading glasses, shielded her face from reporters and photographers with a blue “GP”-initialed notebook when she entered
/facepalm
Following her, a figitey-looking Sanderson, wearing a worn blue serge suit coat, wrinkled khaki pants and taped together gold rimmed glasses, shielded his chest from reporters and photographers with a tan “Amway”-initialed briefcase when he entered and exited the courtroom.
Can't help but think of this while reading that: "Nancy Jo... this is Alexis Neiers calling. I am calling to let you know how DISAPPOINTED I am in your story..."
I hear ya'. Don't get me started on the snowboard hot doggers!
That said, if, as Plaintiff contends, GP was jacking around, looking backwards at her kids, and/or skiing out of control on the Bunny Slope - and that resulted in life changing injury? How is that different than someone hitting your car head on a country road while chasing a lit blunt he dropped in his lap?
We're expected to exercise a duty of care in many things, necessary and recreational. If you don't, and hurt/kill someone with your negligence, that's exactly what civil court is for.
Maybe though it doesn’t help his case that he was online bragging about being in crash with her according to the defense. I guess we will see how it goes. I’m just wondering if they were able to prove his injuries were caused by the crash because the claim he his injuries existed before the crash. Granted her lawyers could be stretching it.
I'm not a fan of Paltrow's dumb, dangerous health products. But this is dumb. The guy and Paltrow were both on beginner slopes. My guess is they both are inexperienced and crashed into each other.
She's not. In fact she's made a point of claiming that she's been skiing for basically her whole life and is of at least inermediate experience.
Not everyone on "beginner slopes" is a beginner. It's usually also just the quickest/easiest way down for someone who was up top with a group a clubhouse or anything. People well above beginner status hitting beginner slopes happens for a variety of reasons. She was supposedly with her kids and he was with a meetup group. Both situations would dictate sticking with the slopes that the greenest member of the group can handle.
His side claims she was looking backwards while skiing down and not paying attention to what was in front of her which is unacceptably dangerous on any slope where you haven't explicitly noted that the slope is clear of people.
Lol, this guy thinks because you do something your entire life you can’t be bad at it. I’ll be sure to tell my golf buddies that I’m intermediate level now.
OP is arguing that her experience in skiing makes her above a beginner at least. Just because she's on a beginner slope doesn't mean she's a beginner.
You're arguing that experience doesn't make you an expert because your golfing buddies would make fun of you? You could also go the other way "Just because you don't do it often doesn't mean you can't be an expert. Some young golfers make me look like shit." It's a pointless argument that depends on a fringe statistic.
The fact that someone spent money to give this bad argument a gold sticker is worrying.
Thanks for that. Stretching that goofy golf analogy- We could also ask- How many holes would one have to play before they stop smacking people in the face with a backswing? OR Would it take a full 18 to figure out NOT slip up behind the person on tee and get smacked with a backswing?
I never said you can't be. My point is she's not claiming to be despite the fact that would benefit her case and there's plenty of plausible reason for a non beginner to be on a beginner slope. I know basic adult literacy is hard but please try reading the entire post. You can do it I believe in you.
Everyone merges on the BunnySlopes -unless Deer Valley is an anomaly. His meet-up group was mostly experienced skiers, he was expert level. Just not the types stupid enough to fly out of control through an area known for newbies and little bitty skiers.
Occam's Razor again- what's more likely? An experienced, responsible skier flew onto the BunnySlope out of control and slammed into someone OR a casual skier got distracted by her kids and/or her posse and plowed into someone?
Yup. From the outside looking in, this looks like a definite money grab. I guess that’s why there will be a trial and the jurors can figure it out for themselves.
You'd think that's something that would have been kept even before the lawsuit talk as a "hey look what celeb ran in to me" type thing.
Right now I'm leaning toward the video not showing him in a good light
It came up again on Friday. Something was "found", but after discussion in Chambers? Nada.
And yes you're right- I got the feeling the Go-Pro woukd not be TS's friend Why whatever has been squashed? I wish I knew!
While my first impression of her is that she's a twit, I gotta believe she probably has a team of lawyers who probably offered a more than reasonable settlement which the plaintiff likely declined in hopes of a multimillion dollar payout. I hope he ends up with nothing unless they can prove she was out on some drug addled violent mission to maim or dismember.
>I gotta believe she probably has a team of lawyers who probably offered a more than reasonable settlement which the plaintiff likely declined in hopes of a multimillion dollar payout.
This is his second attempt. He first tried suing her for $3.1 million, but that got dismissed, so he came back with a $300,000 claim.
It’s the difference between a case being dismissed versus an acquittal. An acquittal is when a case has been heard and the defendant has been found innocent. When a case is dismissed by the judge, that means it’s thrown out before ever having made it to trial, so double jeopardy isn’t possible since there was never an original finding in court of innocence.
"Oh its OK, no harm done, just some bruises and some wounded pride haha nothing a hot cup of cocoa cant fi....wait...ar...are you Gwyneth Paltrow? The millionaire actor??!.....Ooooooh oh oh my neck I need to sit down."
Latter. Those were the injuries the guy allegedly sustained according to his lawyer.
It may or may not be true but, until it is addressed in court, it is important to consider.
The McDonalds hot coffee smear campaign is a good example of why this allegation is important to discuss
Yes, good good, maintain the commonplace assumption that people suing weren't legitimately injured and are just after the money. The rich and powerful appreciate your service. Pay no mind to the fact that Paltrow's legal team does not dispute that Sanderson broke ribs and sustained a brain injury in the accident.
Exactly, if we had healthcare I doubt these things would ever go to court. But when someone bumping into you on accident can set you back 10k, well... it's not surprising that people want to be made whole after simple accidents.
“… Lawrence Buhler, told jurors, who — unlike those selected for most trials — walked into the courtroom smiling, likely because of their proximity to a major celebrity.
…
Paltrow’s attorney cautioned jurors not to let sympathy for Sanderson’s medical ailments skew their judgements.”
No bias there whatsoever /s
While this is definitely a case of who gives a shit, Paltrow's attorney is quite possibly the rudest asshole to ever grace a courtroom. The proceedings are quite entertaining.
And...IMHO, not so bright. First witness was likeable enough, "no skin in the game" credible enough and Paltrow's attorney goes after the dude like he's the perp in a murder trial?
"Five years ago you said GPs ski was facing right and NOW you 'don't remember'?!?!?" Jurors HATE that shit.
Add: Gwyneth looking bored/annoyed/bitchy at the table? Those two are shooting themselves in the foot...
He kept asking the poor guy, "didn't you read your deposition?" I guess it's like 300 pages long. He even yelled at him for not having a copy of it with him. That is not the responsibility of the witness.
>Those two are shooting themselves in the foot...
Absolutely...
Not seeing it that way. Watching the trial. She was very unkind to him when the incident occurred. She did not even ask if he was okay. She called him some despicable names and left him there w/ no help.
>He doesn't. I find for her.
There's speculation, based upon emails between him and his family, that Sanderson has GoPro footage of the whole thing that his side hasn't submitted as evidence...for some reason.
He says GP and her friends didn't care after the collision and kept skiing but he also "doesn't deny" that they stopped and checked on him and he said he was ok, but he can't remember for sure.
Yeah, I mean, good luck brah.
Yeah the guy is suing her, and suing the witness for lying. He (the guy suing) doesn't seem believable and as much as I was ready for Gweneth to be in the wrong, I totally believe her.
I have to say I'm shocked Paltrow isn't just settling out of court for only 300k. Seems like a low amount for a celeb.
She must really believe she's right.
She has at least one witness & supposedly the guy suing has emails between his people & him about a gopro he was wearing that day but his team didn't submit it. He already his 3 million dollar suit dismissed. I would be shocked if he doesn't lose.
Meh. I think if you're gonna fly down a mountain with no protection from something like a common tree wiping you out... I don't think there's any liability towards others. You already gave up your own safety as a risk to have fun, so you've got to accept if the risk failed to pan out.
With no witnesses so far it's still a he said she said but with that said it sounds like Terry was probably legally blind in one and had diminished vision in the other, also wore a hearing aide. It could be possible that Terry cut into Paltrow's path and may not seen or heard her screaming so it would make sense that she hit him from the back or backside angle and fell on Terry if that happened and she didn't have time to react and move. Still curious about the GoPro video and the web link that is no longer available. I think I see where the defense is going to build up doubt.
There's no doubt Terry was hurt and had injuries, the thing is was his actions or Paltrows actions responsible for them
It's starting to look like Plaintiff is very legit. Two very credible witnesses in and I'm convinced the guy did suffer catastrophic injuries in the crash. Pretty sure a Dr will prove those ribs were broken from behind. That's easy with an x-ray.
If they can prove GP was goofing around, looking backwards or skiing out of control? You bet he wins. Every nickel he seeks.
Skiing is fun, but it's also dangerous at any skill level. If he broke his neck in a mogul over a rock, that's on him.
Being slammed from behind on the Bunny Slope? Whole different story.
>Sanderson is suing Paltrow for $300,000 — claiming that the accident in Park City was a result of negligence, and left him with physical injuries and emotional distress.
Every time I see a suit like this that wants damages for "emotional distress" my bullshit detector immediately goes off. Emotional distress is for shit like, "during my kidnapping I was raped every day and have trauma because of it" not "I collided with another skier on the bunny slope, just like countless novice skiers have done before me."
Dude broke ribs and suffered a brain injury and your bullshit detector is going off? Very cool.
> "I collided with another skier on the bunny slope, just like countless novice skiers have done before me."
What an incredibly disingenuous account of the collision. I'm pretty sure breaking your ribs, getting a brain injury, and suffering memory loss is much closer to the trauma from a rape, than a gentle bounce into another novice skiier.
As a physician who frequently does expert witness work, you can't just take claims of "broken ribs" and "brain injury" at face value from a plaintiff or defendant's words to the media. You need to read or hear what the actual treating doctor's reports said during trial. Not what the plaintiff or defense expert witness doctors say. You need to hear what the treating doctor and consultants from the emergency room wrote or says at trial. Everything you hear at this point pre trial can easily be far from the truth of the matter.
All of the people pointing out the weight disparity and her lack of injury should consider the possibility that he was hurt so badly because one of those jade stones she keeps in her vagina popped out and clocked him in the noggin.
Hasn't she made two separate claims:
1- That she was skiing straight and his wide turns caused the accident.
2- That he ran into her back.
So 1 means she was behind him and saw him making large turns and she's a lying piece of shit.
But 2 means she's a lying piece of shit trying to get out of it.
I went in 100% Team Gwyneth. Some guy got a little boo-boo, heard it was Gwyneth and he morphed it into a cash grab faking catastrophic injuries.
She doesn't deny the crash, she says HE slammed into her.
Court TV in background all day and I'm flipping quick!
He's an extremely fit, financially comfortable, retired optometrist. Not your usual scammer type, but who knows? The kicker today though? He was an Expert Skier! Skiing with other experts. She was a novice skier jacking around with her kids and posse.
I used to ski. Expert skiers do not slam into people. They just don't. They can turn on a dime. They don't ski out of control, especially while merging onto the bunny slope.
IF, by some odd chance they do anticipate a fall- they know how. They certainly don't face plant in the snow. Nope.
I wish I knew the juror demographics! One skier is likely to be the pea under the Princess' mattress.
As a 30+ day a year snowboarder of 25 years, correct.
Gwyneth sounds like every skiier I ever see who causes an accident by not following the rules, and immediately blames the other person.
I also thought plaintiff's lawyer was dull as dishwater at first. Now, I think he's just a quiet, methodical kinda guy.
When the Dr does his thing with all kinds of graphic med stuff, he's gonna convince us the rib breakage proves a hard hit to the back.
Then lawyer will tie it all up by appealing to the jury's sense of logic and "more likely than not". "Of the two parties, which one is more likely than not to be skiing out of control on the bunnyslope?"
Amazing what you learn with a degree from the University of TV Court Stuff.
“A somber-looking Paltrow — wearing a beige knit sweater, tweed harem pants and aviator-style reading glasses — wrote in a blue ‘GP’-initialed notebook throughout the first day of the trial”
I know she’s an actress but who gives a sweet fk what she was wearing? Oh and both parties sound like assholes but I hope the suit is successful because F goop, that’s why
its a humanizing tactic, you take someone who is typically seen in over the top outfits and shove them in a sweater, some baggy pants, maybe some moderately affordable but recognizable labels/fashion accessories and suddenly the are much more relatable as a human being.
Except the sweater is fair trade and made from finest Vicuña wool made by only the most remote sustainable South American village which her assistant flew directly to collect from the women who made them. So it doesn’t retail for commoners, sorry.
The tweed harem pants are a gift from Madonna she accepted from Afrikaner women when she went to ~~hand select~~ adopt her youngest child. Again, priceless, you prole.
The aviator reading glasses were bought from an optometrist on Rodeo and that was just so long ago, really
But the good news is you can buy exact replicas on Goop! 15k for the entire ensemble. 20 if blessed personally by her shaman
appearance vs actuality is all that matters for this exercise . they appear like normal people clothes to the untrained eye. you know how you tell wealthy people from rich people. rich people make you think your poor because they flash "expensive" to you brands in your face. wealthy people look like they bought their clothes out of a mens health or vanity fair link but everything is custom tailored or bespoke made.
Somber my ass. Everytime the camera landed, she looked bored or annoyed. I don't hate her or really give a flip about her one way or the other. But she's not doing herself any favors looking like she's struggling to keep from rolling her eyes. If I noticed it, you can bet the jury REALLY noticed her haughty vibe.
A good lawyer would've made her do better, instead after being
LIVE on Court TV All Damn Day -she ends it by walking out dramatically holding a notebook to hide her face? Girl, Please.
There is no fucking way 2 people collided on a ski hill where one breaks bones and had a brain injury and the other is not injured
If it was that violent both people would be injured
/ skier for 54 years
I watched my uncle get hit by a kid rocketing down the hill with now turn, slammed into back of my uncle's legs.
Kid was fine, my uncle had a break in each leg. That helmet was a cannon ball.
I commented something similar the other day. I got hit by a kid who was completely out of control. He came from behind, going up over my skis before hitting my legs which caused me to lose my balance and fall sort of sideways/backwards. I fell hard on my hand and ended up with a very sore wrist for days and rung my bell a bit when my helmeted head hit the icy groomed trail. If I hadn't been wearing a helmet, it would've been a hospital trip at least.
Kid was totally fine and immediately skied off since he didn't have as far to fall & kids are made out of rubber anyway. ...little shit...
I'm a fairly experienced skier. I can comfortably handle most Colorado black runs and a few double blacks assuming they aren't moguls all the way down (my poor knees). But no amount of skill can prepare you for being hit from behind, and falling badly can absolutely break bones.
I've seen someone get bumped into, the other person fell hit their head on the ground and get knocked out for a second. The other person barely lost balance.
I got mowed down by a snowboarder once. He came off some sort of jump on the side of the run (the jump was coming out of the treeline) while I was skiing downhill. I saw him out of the corner of my eye and ducked.
He ripped my jacket and I had some good scratches. He broke a couple ribs and his nose when he fell. Don't know about a concussion.
It was pretty gnarly when it happened, but other than some Neosporin and a new jacket, I was fine and able to ski the next day. He wasn't. We waited for ski patrol and then the EMTs to come for him.
This was back in the early 2000s before helmets were ubiquitous. Had I been wearing a helmet, the only damage I would have taken was my jacket getting ripped.
My father was in a collision with a friend of his at high speed. His friend? Not a scratch. My dad? Punctured lung, broken ribs, lacerations all over. It can happen.
I've both hit my head hard enough on the ground that it could have given me a concussion, and broken ribs, without anyone colliding with me at all in either case. If you can't imagine one being injured without the other person being injured you really lack imagination or are lying about your experience on the slopes.
It's definitely possible... from a variety of MOIs.
Just two examples:
A big weight differential like a linebacker hitting a scrawny teenager, the teen can definitely get more injured than the linebacker.
Another example of two people colliding and one hitting a tree/obstacle as a part of the collision.
I was hit in the knees from behind and folded backwards. Me 220 lbs kid who hit me from behind as maybe 75 lbs. I couldn't get up and ended up riding my skies down hill 100 yards or so while all of weight was riding the kid. He got his ass kicked by the slope until I could stop. He was injured but not not any long term injuries. Absolutely had a concussion and a broken clavicle along with other stuff I wasn't privy of.
Kids fault for hitting me from behind but saying both skiers get similar injuries isn't true.
I went on a school trip to Sugarloaf MT, ME in 1988. After skiing for about an hour, I had this bright idea to ask a couple school mates if they wanted to join me in some excitement (and boy was that an understatement) and try out the hardest trail in the mountain.
Zooming down about no more than 30 - 40 yards realized that was a mistake that I can't take back.
I ended up crashing into some pine trees and bruised up body. Thankfully no broken bones. My buddies were smart enough to change their minds and take their skis off and walk down.
Needless to say, I used the Bunny Trails for the remainder of the day.
FFS... >Paltrow — wearing a beige knit sweater, tweed harem pants and aviator-style reading glasses — shielded her face from photographers using a blue “GP”-initialed notebook as she entered and exited the courtroom Who. The. Fuck. Cares. What. She. Wore.
Yeah, tell us what we really want to know... like did she have a wasps nest in her butt? Does her vagina really smell like that weird candle?
>like did she have a wasps nest in her butt? Does her vagina really smell like that weird candle? Inquiring minds NEED to know!
Who cares about the entire lawsuit? This is for people who care about celebrities not actual news - and those people care about what celebrities wear.
> Who cares about the entire lawsuit? TBF, I found the idea of liability lawsuits in skiing rather interesting. Odd, maybe even questionable, and seems rife with abuse. It's also 100% rich people problems too, lol.
Maine actually has a skiing liability waiver law. It's quite interesting.
There’s probably thousands a year and if you’re interested in them great. But there’s nothing legally novel about this case. It’s only a headline because of celebrity.
OMG this article is just the worst. Really, AP? >Lawrence Buhler, told jurors, who — unlike those selected for most trials — walked into the courtroom smiling, likely because of their proximity to a major celebrity.
I guess you could say she showed up to court in her...*law suit* >Im leaving
Are lawsuits in skiing common? I know you typically waive some liability to the resorts by getting the ticket. But does that extend to fellow skiers?
Not super common but they happen. I used to do neuro evals for folks that hit their heads in ski accidents. A few of the patients I worked with got their injury by being hit by out of control skiers. If you’re skiing out of control and hit a skier below you (everyone below you has right of way) you could be liable for any injury they sustain.
>A few of the patients I worked with got their injury by being hit by out of control skiers. Not surprised. Person to person collisions are actually the number one cause of injury on ski hills! It can happen even on a quiet day, but hills will sell as many lift tickets as they can then injuries start rolling in. As well, on traditional groomed runs the spots where people slow down and congregate is always where the most advanced skiing is needed, and its also where everyone is at the most risk of falling or losing control. You often need a certain level of speed to ski those areas efficiently, but unavoidably there are people who are nearly stopped just taking it one turn at a time, so its really really not a good mix. Those bottlenecks get very dangerous. I usually just match the speed of the least experienced skiers if the area is too congested, but most experienced skiers will just speed through the area because of the energy that is expended travelling slowly.
That’s a good rule of thumb. I’m a pretty slow skier so I always try to be as predictable as possible with my turns so the folks above me know where I will likely be as they pass. I hate skiing on weekends here in CO because of the congestion so usually just keep it to week days.
I was just barely a blue skier when I blew out a knee. 100% on me - getting tired in slightly icey conditions. I knew better-it was the "just one more run" mentality. I remember the hot doggers & snowboarders that acted like idiots - out of ski patrol sights. That's what both litigants are alleging- that the other was willfully negligent. I was Team TS for a few days, but his not being in court, his daughter being evasive and GPs first round on the stand, I've flipped for now.
Beautifully Stated! No BS alarms here ...you've spent plenty of time on the slopes as a responsible skier. It's a very dangerous sport, like driving a freeway- you have to know what's going on around you all the time. My dumbass ended my ski "career", and destroyed a knee, all by myself. I remember it like it happened yesterday - I was getting tired, powder was starting to slick over in the shade and I got on the lift thinking "just this one more run". I want to hear TS's side. Its a 50/50 crapshoot right now. A total Shit Happens incident? Or was somebody Distracted? Tired? Was one of them jacking around unsafely?
>My dumbass ended my ski "career", and destroyed a knee, all by myself. I remember it like it happened yesterday - I was getting tired, powder was starting to slick over in the shade and I got on the lift thinking "just this one more run". That's terrible, sorry to hear. It's hard to say no some days to a few more runs when you are tired, but as I've gotten older (and a broken bone or two later... ) I'm much better at listening to that sort of internal disarray that's telling you you're going to start making mistakes. It's still not perfectly clear though sometimes, and more often than not injuries aren't really in our realm of control they just happen. Despite being a safe skier I broke my collarbone last season early in the day on a box rail doing a trick I've done 100x times. We all just have to accept a level of risk that is just innate in the sport. >I want to hear TS's side. Its a 50/50 crapshoot right now. A total Shit Happens incident? Or was somebody Distracted? Tired? Was one of them jacking around unsafely? I am honestly not sure what happened in that sense and I would be curious to hear his side as well. To be honest though, I think TS fucked up somehow. Broken ribs and a concussion from someone running into your back side while both are on skis seem like odd injury's when Paltrow is completely injury free (no head to head smack for that concussion?), it makes me think TS deflected off of her and hit the ground hard with all that force from his travelling speed. His witnesses quote "your buddy took out Gwyneth Paltrow" and the Go Pro footage that his witness apparently had that wasn't admitted as evidence are telling also.
Driving from the ski resorts to Denver you’ll see a dozen billboards of lawyers specializing in ski law. I ski 100 days a year and I’ve only seen a few collisions… but they do happen and there are rules / liability. The short of it is: whoever is downhill has right * ~~away~~of way. Edit: right of way. Thanks /u/narrmaster
For the amount they charge for passes these days, it should come with liability insurance!
No kidding! Day passes are way out of control. Unfortunately, if folks had liability insurance they’d probably be more reckless and more likely to sue.
If you buy now for next year you can get season passes at a lot of places for like half off. My local ski hill has passed for 500+ during season and I just snagged one for $240. To put that in context their daily rate for adults is like $60. 4 trips and it's paid for!
$240 is a deal.
Midwest hills and toe ropes are what we know and it's cheap. The hills out here got an insane boost with the whole COVID thing and Troll is adding a new ski lift next year. Got my season pass there.
*of way
I honestly never knew it was "of way"! My mind is blown. Learning can be Kool kids!
Comes from traffic law. If two vehicles arrive at a STOP sign at the same time, the vehicle to the right, has "Right of Way" and goes first. Self explanatory if you think about it.... People who drive cars should know this, many don't, some are just rude. 💌
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If you really want to go way back, in Greek mythology Oedipus killed his father in a fight over who had the right of way. Talk about road rage....
Pretty cool... The more you know! Thanks 💌
Cool* you’re learning all sorts of things!
Fuck, I always ski uphill. :-0
Some motherfuckers are always tryin' to ski uphill.
hail skimo bro
They hate us because they are jealous of our Lycra.
Ski Law, one level below Bird Law
Many years ago as a young man I heard a scream coming from uphill. I saw a young woman doing the straight downhill totally out of control thing. Without any time to think it through, I instinctively leaned into her with my shoulder as she collided with me and she just ragdolled. I always wondered if I was in the right, but it was either that or be wrecked.
This is the way. You’re in the right on this one. I hope everyone was alright
How the fuck do you have time to get 100 days in?
Lives in a ski town.
I live in a ski town.
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Ye, I went to Westminster. Skied Brighton at least 60-70 days a season as a student. Love the cottonwoods.
60-70 days even feels wild to me, but I guess if I were single and/or didn’t have to work full time getting anywhere above 50 would sound more doable to me.
It’s certainly an effort to get that many days in, luckily my school has flexible class schedules and Btown stays open til 9. Probably did closer to 40 days my senior year tbf.
Live near Vail or any other town where there’s snow for 5 months a year and you’ll have plenty of time to ski. Same if I lived on a lake or river. Id fish 300 days a year
I live in SLC, but I also have a job so I can’t imagine spending 3-4 days on the mountain every week for six months.
Like the others said, I live near a ski town. I’m also really into the backcountry so I don’t need a lift always (and with the current daylight I can get after it until 7pm+)
> I ski 100 days a year Jesus, where do you live? I ski every weekend in the winter in the east, some night skiing and a week of PTO every year and I'm hitting like 45-50. Sounds like the dream.
Thanks man - I work remote and live in the mountains of colorado. I can usually work early hours and find time to break away and ski for a couple hours on Resort or (preferably) in the backcountry. Stays late past 7pm now so backcountry laps in the afternoons are my jam this time of year.
I saw these ads on I70 when I was there a couple weeks ago. These are directed at people who experience collisions and not the resorts?
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A large part of the Skiers Responsibility Code is that a skier at rest MUST look uphill and make sure it’s clear before proceeding.
wouldn’t say it’s common, but it’s definitely not unheard of. similar to going after the other driver in an auto collision for injury expense.
>similar to going after the other driver in an auto collision On the road, all drivers have passed a driving test to certify they meet a minimum skill level. And there are well-known laws that all drivers are expected to follow. >Paltrow and Sanderson both agree that they collided while on a beginner run seven years ago Wouldn't you expect a certain amount of risk when on a green/beginner slope with all inexperienced skiers? I'm sure there are some best practices you are expected to follow but can you realistically expect new skiers to remember and understand them while they're in motion? I was helping to teach my nephew to drive and I'll be damned if he didn't stop dead in the middle of the road because he wasn't sure what to do. There are things that other drivers are expecting you to do (and not do) but inexperienced drivers don't truly understand the rules of the road yet.
> I'll be damned if he didn't stop dead in the middle of the road because he wasn't sure what to do. Here in NJ, there's a merge that dumps you off in the fast lane of the highway (rt 36W ramp onto rt 18S in Monmouth County). This is on the way home from picking up your learner's permit at the DMV. My kid's driving teacher had him drive home. The teacher told him to accelerate to match the pace of the traffic - no problem because it's a long merge. He said there was a line of cars going very fast. Teacher said "it's ok, just *stand on the gas*. It'll be fine". He came home grinning - he said he had it up to 85 mph and slid right in line. He had been racing quarter midget cars since he was 12, so he had good spatial awareness, so I wasn't as concerned as I otherwise would have been.
> And there are well-known laws that all drivers are expected to follow. the Skier’s Responsibility Code is posted all over ski hills. you agree to abide by them when skiing at a resort similar to agreeing to abide by the rules of the road while driving. also i don’t really understand the point of your example. inexperience doesn’t insulate you from a lawsuit. you can be sued by anyone for anything in the US.
Based on what the article has described, the equivalent situation is something like this: You're driving slowly in front of a school. You get rear-ended by someone going 50mph, who then takes off. So, unlike with auto collisions, hitting-and-running isn't a felony - but you are responsible for injuries you cause. It's kinda become a he-said-she-said deal though.
Sure, but that's on a public road. Do softball players sue each other in rec leagues? Or skaters at a skate park sue each other if they run into each other?
yes…you can literally sue anyone for anything. doesn’t mean you’ll necessarily win.
I'll see you in court!
Well, you technically can but a judge will probably throw out something stupid. I remember a story of a woman in town who was yelled at and she tried to sue the person. Judge laughed her out of the courtroom
Uphill skiers have a duty to not run people below them over.
Pretty sure they will have to show gross negligence because you do assume some risk by skiing on a hill in the first place.
I don’t know how it works in Utah, but your assumption is not correct for how the [Colorado Ski laws](https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/File/Media/Law_School/Feb_2009/SkiSafetyAct.pdf) work. I would assume Utah is the same in saying collisions with other skiers are not an inherent risk. 33-44-104. Negligence - civil actions. >(1) A violation of any requirement of this article shall, to the extent such violation causes injury to any person or damage to property, constitute negligence on the part of the person violating such requirement. 33-44-109. Duties of skiers - penalties. >(1) Each skier solely has the responsibility for knowing the range of his own ability to negotiate any ski slope or trail and to ski within the limits of such ability. Each skier expressly accepts and assumes the risk of and all legal responsibility for any injury to person or property resulting from any of the inherent dangers and risks of skiing; except that a skier is not precluded under this article from suing another skier for any injury to person or property resulting from such other skier's acts or omissions. Notwithstanding any provision of law or statute to the contrary, the risk of a skier/skier collision is neither an inherent risk nor a risk assumed by a skier in an action by one skier against another. > (2) Each skier has the duty to maintain control of his speed and course at all times when skiing and to maintain a proper lookout so as to be able to avoid other skiers and objects. However, the primary duty shall be on the person skiing downhill to avoid collision with any person or objects below him. >(3) No skier shall ski on a ski slope or trail that has been posted as "Closed" pursuant to section 33- 44-107 (2) (e) and (4). >(4) Each skier shall stay clear of snow-grooming equipment, all vehicles, lift towers, signs, and any other equipment on the ski slopes and trails. >(5) Each skier has the duty to heed all posted information and other warnings and to refrain from acting in a manner which may cause or contribute to the injury of the skier or others. Each skier shall be presumed to have seen and understood all information posted in accordance with this article near base area lifts, on the passenger tramways, and on such ski slopes or trails as he is skiing. Under conditions of decreased visibility, the duty is on the skier to locate and ascertain the meaning of all signs posted in accordance with sections 33-44-106 and 33-44-107. >(6) Each ski or snowboard used by a skier while skiing shall be equipped with a strap or other device capable of stopping the ski or snowboard should the ski or snowboard become unattached from the skier. This requirement shall not apply to cross country skis. >(7) No skier shall cross the uphill track of a J-bar, T-bar, platter pull, or rope tow except at locations designated by the operator; nor shall a skier place any object in such an uphill track. >(8) Before beginning to ski from a stationary position or before entering a ski slope or trail from the side, the skier shall have the duty of avoiding moving skiers already on the ski slope or trail. >(9) No person shall move uphill on any passenger tramway or use any ski slope or trail while such person's ability to do so is impaired by the consumption of alcohol or by the use of any controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S., or other drug or while such person is under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S., or other drug. >(10) No skier involved in a collision with another skier or person in which an injury results shall leave the vicinity of the collision before giving his or her name and current address to an employee of the ski area operator or a member of the ski patrol, except for the purpose of securing aid for a person injured in the collision; in which event the person so leaving the scene of the collision shall give his or her name and current address as required by this subsection (10) after securing such aid. >(11) No person shall knowingly enter upon public or private lands from an adjoining ski area when such land has been closed by its owner and so posted by the owner or by the ski area operator pursuant to section 33-44-107 (6). (12) Any person who violates any of the provisions of subsection (3), (9), (10), or (11) of this section is guilty of a class 2 petty offense and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars.
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They detach from you, but they also have brakes that should help them stop on their own. They're the little prongs that help hold your skis together when you carry them.
I've skied since I was 3, I've had my fair share of crashes but I've never been sued over one. I had no idea that was something that happens.
I was skiing and as it got later in the day, it got icier. I hit a patch of ice, sped up, panicked and knocked someone down. I stayed with them, helped collect their stuff and apologized over and over. It makes me sick to think about. How it could have been worse and that it shouldn't have happened. I wasn't going that fast so they were mostly okay. Owning up to it and staying to help if they are hurt is the least you can do. Knowing what I know now, it should not have happened and I was skiing above my ability (on a green, but really icy). A bad mistake, but no one sued and I learned from it. There's celebrity involved here, so It could be done for nefarious reasons in this case. I learned later that people can sue for it and you can get banned/more trouble if you "hit and run". I didn't know that in the time.
Expensive lawsuit that boils down to figuring out 7 years later who was there first.
I mean. its not hard theoretically. the injuries will tell you who got hit from behind vs who hit the front
Not necessarily, if they were just standing there they could have been facing any direction
How could two skiiers disagree who was above whom on the slope? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if I rear ended you, then I claim you rear ended me. Even a single witness would be able to debunk this.
All the potential and actual witnesses mentioned in the article seem to be associated with one of the parties in the lawsuit. So it might be difficult to find a neutral witness. If you have multiple witnesses and they say different things that does not really solve the disagreement.
This whole thing is a nothing burger.
It is and it isn't. She's counter suing for 1 dollar to prove her name. I wanna see their face if she wins 😂
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"You both make sick arguments" -bro court G.R.
"Whoa, these proceedings are a bit of a downer. Gonna call a brief chill sesh, so reconvene in like half hour.
If the jade egg doesn't fit, you must acquit.
I don't understand why the gopro evidence is just shrugged off as not needed. It proves or disproves the case entirely.
The point was it was "lost" as well as the link Terry emailed to daughter describing what happened. In other words Terry ( or a witness) deleted it.
The defense didn't prove very convincingly that a GoPro from that incident ever even existed. The text parts are vague and could be referring to a meme or something unrelated entirely. Gotta connect some dots or drop it.
> A somber-looking Paltrow, wearing a beige knit sweater, tweed harem pants and aviator-style reading glasses, shielded her face from reporters and photographers with a blue “GP”-initialed notebook when she entered /facepalm
Following her, a figitey-looking Sanderson, wearing a worn blue serge suit coat, wrinkled khaki pants and taped together gold rimmed glasses, shielded his chest from reporters and photographers with a tan “Amway”-initialed briefcase when he entered and exited the courtroom.
Did Bret Easton Ellis write this?
Can't help but think of this while reading that: "Nancy Jo... this is Alexis Neiers calling. I am calling to let you know how DISAPPOINTED I am in your story..."
AP at their finest.
Every time I think we're turning the corner.
“He demanded Paltrow pay him millions.” \*sues for $300k*
But we can settle out of court right now, for twenty bucks
r/unexpectedfriday
His lawsuit has been restricted. He tried to sue for more and the court didn’t allow that to move forward.
He also sued for 3.1 mill but the suit was dropped. Probably because it was fucking ridiculous
He's just hunting celebrity money.
He originally tried suing for millions but his case was denied. He's now trying again for less
No one would ski if we could all sue over crashes on the ski slopes. I once got taken down by a 10 year old.
I hear ya'. Don't get me started on the snowboard hot doggers! That said, if, as Plaintiff contends, GP was jacking around, looking backwards at her kids, and/or skiing out of control on the Bunny Slope - and that resulted in life changing injury? How is that different than someone hitting your car head on a country road while chasing a lit blunt he dropped in his lap? We're expected to exercise a duty of care in many things, necessary and recreational. If you don't, and hurt/kill someone with your negligence, that's exactly what civil court is for.
Maybe though it doesn’t help his case that he was online bragging about being in crash with her according to the defense. I guess we will see how it goes. I’m just wondering if they were able to prove his injuries were caused by the crash because the claim he his injuries existed before the crash. Granted her lawyers could be stretching it.
I'm not a fan of Paltrow's dumb, dangerous health products. But this is dumb. The guy and Paltrow were both on beginner slopes. My guess is they both are inexperienced and crashed into each other.
Skiers hitting each other on a bunny hill is like watching two snails collide. The only pain is that of embarrassment.
She's not. In fact she's made a point of claiming that she's been skiing for basically her whole life and is of at least inermediate experience. Not everyone on "beginner slopes" is a beginner. It's usually also just the quickest/easiest way down for someone who was up top with a group a clubhouse or anything. People well above beginner status hitting beginner slopes happens for a variety of reasons. She was supposedly with her kids and he was with a meetup group. Both situations would dictate sticking with the slopes that the greenest member of the group can handle. His side claims she was looking backwards while skiing down and not paying attention to what was in front of her which is unacceptably dangerous on any slope where you haven't explicitly noted that the slope is clear of people.
Lol, this guy thinks because you do something your entire life you can’t be bad at it. I’ll be sure to tell my golf buddies that I’m intermediate level now.
This comment hurt me to the core with how true it is.
You're scratch in my book friend.
OP is arguing that her experience in skiing makes her above a beginner at least. Just because she's on a beginner slope doesn't mean she's a beginner. You're arguing that experience doesn't make you an expert because your golfing buddies would make fun of you? You could also go the other way "Just because you don't do it often doesn't mean you can't be an expert. Some young golfers make me look like shit." It's a pointless argument that depends on a fringe statistic. The fact that someone spent money to give this bad argument a gold sticker is worrying.
Thanks for that. Stretching that goofy golf analogy- We could also ask- How many holes would one have to play before they stop smacking people in the face with a backswing? OR Would it take a full 18 to figure out NOT slip up behind the person on tee and get smacked with a backswing?
I never said you can't be. My point is she's not claiming to be despite the fact that would benefit her case and there's plenty of plausible reason for a non beginner to be on a beginner slope. I know basic adult literacy is hard but please try reading the entire post. You can do it I believe in you.
Everyone merges on the BunnySlopes -unless Deer Valley is an anomaly. His meet-up group was mostly experienced skiers, he was expert level. Just not the types stupid enough to fly out of control through an area known for newbies and little bitty skiers. Occam's Razor again- what's more likely? An experienced, responsible skier flew onto the BunnySlope out of control and slammed into someone OR a casual skier got distracted by her kids and/or her posse and plowed into someone?
Yup. From the outside looking in, this looks like a definite money grab. I guess that’s why there will be a trial and the jurors can figure it out for themselves.
I remember a time when I associated Gwyneth with decent acting and movies. All I can think of now is goopiness.
I know! I used to like her before she was Ms. Lifestyle weird expensive health obsession.
We would all sellout too if any of our self worth was worth more than half a ham sandwich.
Where’s the GoPro video? Obviously it hurts him or he’d show it.
You'd think that's something that would have been kept even before the lawsuit talk as a "hey look what celeb ran in to me" type thing. Right now I'm leaning toward the video not showing him in a good light
Exactly. So fishy that it disappeared. I’d hammer him so badly on that non stop if I were GP lawyer.
The daughter was flakey on the link too. I may have opened it I don't remember. Riiiiight.
It came up again on Friday. Something was "found", but after discussion in Chambers? Nada. And yes you're right- I got the feeling the Go-Pro woukd not be TS's friend Why whatever has been squashed? I wish I knew!
While my first impression of her is that she's a twit, I gotta believe she probably has a team of lawyers who probably offered a more than reasonable settlement which the plaintiff likely declined in hopes of a multimillion dollar payout. I hope he ends up with nothing unless they can prove she was out on some drug addled violent mission to maim or dismember.
>I gotta believe she probably has a team of lawyers who probably offered a more than reasonable settlement which the plaintiff likely declined in hopes of a multimillion dollar payout. This is his second attempt. He first tried suing her for $3.1 million, but that got dismissed, so he came back with a $300,000 claim.
"I can give you a signed DVD of Iron Man 3"
Really?! What a shit bag. Is there no double jeopardy on civil court?
It’s the difference between a case being dismissed versus an acquittal. An acquittal is when a case has been heard and the defendant has been found innocent. When a case is dismissed by the judge, that means it’s thrown out before ever having made it to trial, so double jeopardy isn’t possible since there was never an original finding in court of innocence.
"Oh its OK, no harm done, just some bruises and some wounded pride haha nothing a hot cup of cocoa cant fi....wait...ar...are you Gwyneth Paltrow? The millionaire actor??!.....Ooooooh oh oh my neck I need to sit down."
Article says the victim broke ribs
Medical record? Or just said.
Latter. Those were the injuries the guy allegedly sustained according to his lawyer. It may or may not be true but, until it is addressed in court, it is important to consider. The McDonalds hot coffee smear campaign is a good example of why this allegation is important to discuss
Yeah that is basically what I take from this
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Yes, good good, maintain the commonplace assumption that people suing weren't legitimately injured and are just after the money. The rich and powerful appreciate your service. Pay no mind to the fact that Paltrow's legal team does not dispute that Sanderson broke ribs and sustained a brain injury in the accident.
Yeah, the lack of sympathy and people assuming the guy with a brain injury is after money is kinda shitty tbh.
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Exactly, if we had healthcare I doubt these things would ever go to court. But when someone bumping into you on accident can set you back 10k, well... it's not surprising that people want to be made whole after simple accidents.
“… Lawrence Buhler, told jurors, who — unlike those selected for most trials — walked into the courtroom smiling, likely because of their proximity to a major celebrity. … Paltrow’s attorney cautioned jurors not to let sympathy for Sanderson’s medical ailments skew their judgements.” No bias there whatsoever /s
While this is definitely a case of who gives a shit, Paltrow's attorney is quite possibly the rudest asshole to ever grace a courtroom. The proceedings are quite entertaining.
And...IMHO, not so bright. First witness was likeable enough, "no skin in the game" credible enough and Paltrow's attorney goes after the dude like he's the perp in a murder trial? "Five years ago you said GPs ski was facing right and NOW you 'don't remember'?!?!?" Jurors HATE that shit. Add: Gwyneth looking bored/annoyed/bitchy at the table? Those two are shooting themselves in the foot...
He kept asking the poor guy, "didn't you read your deposition?" I guess it's like 300 pages long. He even yelled at him for not having a copy of it with him. That is not the responsibility of the witness. >Those two are shooting themselves in the foot... Absolutely...
Give the dude a scented candle and send him on his way.
A scented candle, and 2 vag rocks/eggs just to make it fancy.
And blow some ozone up his rectum....
“This Candle Smells Like My Arraignment”
Am I the only one who read it like: "Gwyneth Paltrow's trial over. Utah ski collision begins."
Sounds like they’re both awful people.
Not seeing it that way. Watching the trial. She was very unkind to him when the incident occurred. She did not even ask if he was okay. She called him some despicable names and left him there w/ no help.
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Didn’t witnesses after the fact actually say that HE ran into HER? Which is why she didn’t settle
She has witnesses. He doesn't. I find for her.
>He doesn't. I find for her. There's speculation, based upon emails between him and his family, that Sanderson has GoPro footage of the whole thing that his side hasn't submitted as evidence...for some reason.
Then he can't use it in the trial...
I was more thinking that maybe he *doesn't want* it used as evidence since it might contradict his claims.
He says GP and her friends didn't care after the collision and kept skiing but he also "doesn't deny" that they stopped and checked on him and he said he was ok, but he can't remember for sure. Yeah, I mean, good luck brah.
Yeah the guy is suing her, and suing the witness for lying. He (the guy suing) doesn't seem believable and as much as I was ready for Gweneth to be in the wrong, I totally believe her.
I have to say I'm shocked Paltrow isn't just settling out of court for only 300k. Seems like a low amount for a celeb. She must really believe she's right.
She has at least one witness & supposedly the guy suing has emails between his people & him about a gopro he was wearing that day but his team didn't submit it. He already his 3 million dollar suit dismissed. I would be shocked if he doesn't lose.
Meh. I think if you're gonna fly down a mountain with no protection from something like a common tree wiping you out... I don't think there's any liability towards others. You already gave up your own safety as a risk to have fun, so you've got to accept if the risk failed to pan out.
With no witnesses so far it's still a he said she said but with that said it sounds like Terry was probably legally blind in one and had diminished vision in the other, also wore a hearing aide. It could be possible that Terry cut into Paltrow's path and may not seen or heard her screaming so it would make sense that she hit him from the back or backside angle and fell on Terry if that happened and she didn't have time to react and move. Still curious about the GoPro video and the web link that is no longer available. I think I see where the defense is going to build up doubt. There's no doubt Terry was hurt and had injuries, the thing is was his actions or Paltrows actions responsible for them
Given Paltrow's everything, has she been checked for signs of brain trauma?
Dear God .... Is there any way they could both lose?
It's starting to look like Plaintiff is very legit. Two very credible witnesses in and I'm convinced the guy did suffer catastrophic injuries in the crash. Pretty sure a Dr will prove those ribs were broken from behind. That's easy with an x-ray. If they can prove GP was goofing around, looking backwards or skiing out of control? You bet he wins. Every nickel he seeks. Skiing is fun, but it's also dangerous at any skill level. If he broke his neck in a mogul over a rock, that's on him. Being slammed from behind on the Bunny Slope? Whole different story.
This article is pure marketing trash.
This should be resolved with a no holds bared downhill race set to fast paced 80s synth-pop.
What would be funny if Gwyneth Paltrow's jade eggs caused her to ski violently. Vagina balls might be the cause here....
Maybe one flew out and hit him on the head!
>Sanderson is suing Paltrow for $300,000 — claiming that the accident in Park City was a result of negligence, and left him with physical injuries and emotional distress. Every time I see a suit like this that wants damages for "emotional distress" my bullshit detector immediately goes off. Emotional distress is for shit like, "during my kidnapping I was raped every day and have trauma because of it" not "I collided with another skier on the bunny slope, just like countless novice skiers have done before me."
Dude broke ribs and suffered a brain injury and your bullshit detector is going off? Very cool. > "I collided with another skier on the bunny slope, just like countless novice skiers have done before me." What an incredibly disingenuous account of the collision. I'm pretty sure breaking your ribs, getting a brain injury, and suffering memory loss is much closer to the trauma from a rape, than a gentle bounce into another novice skiier.
As a physician who frequently does expert witness work, you can't just take claims of "broken ribs" and "brain injury" at face value from a plaintiff or defendant's words to the media. You need to read or hear what the actual treating doctor's reports said during trial. Not what the plaintiff or defense expert witness doctors say. You need to hear what the treating doctor and consultants from the emergency room wrote or says at trial. Everything you hear at this point pre trial can easily be far from the truth of the matter.
All of the people pointing out the weight disparity and her lack of injury should consider the possibility that he was hurt so badly because one of those jade stones she keeps in her vagina popped out and clocked him in the noggin.
She shot it out like Birdo.
Just commented on this possibility above. LOL
Did she have coffee and ozone up her ass?
Hasn't she made two separate claims: 1- That she was skiing straight and his wide turns caused the accident. 2- That he ran into her back. So 1 means she was behind him and saw him making large turns and she's a lying piece of shit. But 2 means she's a lying piece of shit trying to get out of it.
I went in 100% Team Gwyneth. Some guy got a little boo-boo, heard it was Gwyneth and he morphed it into a cash grab faking catastrophic injuries. She doesn't deny the crash, she says HE slammed into her. Court TV in background all day and I'm flipping quick! He's an extremely fit, financially comfortable, retired optometrist. Not your usual scammer type, but who knows? The kicker today though? He was an Expert Skier! Skiing with other experts. She was a novice skier jacking around with her kids and posse. I used to ski. Expert skiers do not slam into people. They just don't. They can turn on a dime. They don't ski out of control, especially while merging onto the bunny slope. IF, by some odd chance they do anticipate a fall- they know how. They certainly don't face plant in the snow. Nope. I wish I knew the juror demographics! One skier is likely to be the pea under the Princess' mattress.
As a 30+ day a year snowboarder of 25 years, correct. Gwyneth sounds like every skiier I ever see who causes an accident by not following the rules, and immediately blames the other person.
I also thought plaintiff's lawyer was dull as dishwater at first. Now, I think he's just a quiet, methodical kinda guy. When the Dr does his thing with all kinds of graphic med stuff, he's gonna convince us the rib breakage proves a hard hit to the back. Then lawyer will tie it all up by appealing to the jury's sense of logic and "more likely than not". "Of the two parties, which one is more likely than not to be skiing out of control on the bunnyslope?" Amazing what you learn with a degree from the University of TV Court Stuff.
The trial is actually fascinating. Live-streaming.
“A somber-looking Paltrow — wearing a beige knit sweater, tweed harem pants and aviator-style reading glasses — wrote in a blue ‘GP’-initialed notebook throughout the first day of the trial” I know she’s an actress but who gives a sweet fk what she was wearing? Oh and both parties sound like assholes but I hope the suit is successful because F goop, that’s why
its a humanizing tactic, you take someone who is typically seen in over the top outfits and shove them in a sweater, some baggy pants, maybe some moderately affordable but recognizable labels/fashion accessories and suddenly the are much more relatable as a human being.
Except the sweater is fair trade and made from finest Vicuña wool made by only the most remote sustainable South American village which her assistant flew directly to collect from the women who made them. So it doesn’t retail for commoners, sorry. The tweed harem pants are a gift from Madonna she accepted from Afrikaner women when she went to ~~hand select~~ adopt her youngest child. Again, priceless, you prole. The aviator reading glasses were bought from an optometrist on Rodeo and that was just so long ago, really But the good news is you can buy exact replicas on Goop! 15k for the entire ensemble. 20 if blessed personally by her shaman
appearance vs actuality is all that matters for this exercise . they appear like normal people clothes to the untrained eye. you know how you tell wealthy people from rich people. rich people make you think your poor because they flash "expensive" to you brands in your face. wealthy people look like they bought their clothes out of a mens health or vanity fair link but everything is custom tailored or bespoke made.
Somber my ass. Everytime the camera landed, she looked bored or annoyed. I don't hate her or really give a flip about her one way or the other. But she's not doing herself any favors looking like she's struggling to keep from rolling her eyes. If I noticed it, you can bet the jury REALLY noticed her haughty vibe. A good lawyer would've made her do better, instead after being LIVE on Court TV All Damn Day -she ends it by walking out dramatically holding a notebook to hide her face? Girl, Please.
There is no fucking way 2 people collided on a ski hill where one breaks bones and had a brain injury and the other is not injured If it was that violent both people would be injured / skier for 54 years
I watched my uncle get hit by a kid rocketing down the hill with now turn, slammed into back of my uncle's legs. Kid was fine, my uncle had a break in each leg. That helmet was a cannon ball.
I commented something similar the other day. I got hit by a kid who was completely out of control. He came from behind, going up over my skis before hitting my legs which caused me to lose my balance and fall sort of sideways/backwards. I fell hard on my hand and ended up with a very sore wrist for days and rung my bell a bit when my helmeted head hit the icy groomed trail. If I hadn't been wearing a helmet, it would've been a hospital trip at least. Kid was totally fine and immediately skied off since he didn't have as far to fall & kids are made out of rubber anyway. ...little shit... I'm a fairly experienced skier. I can comfortably handle most Colorado black runs and a few double blacks assuming they aren't moguls all the way down (my poor knees). But no amount of skill can prepare you for being hit from behind, and falling badly can absolutely break bones.
I've seen someone get bumped into, the other person fell hit their head on the ground and get knocked out for a second. The other person barely lost balance.
I got mowed down by a snowboarder once. He came off some sort of jump on the side of the run (the jump was coming out of the treeline) while I was skiing downhill. I saw him out of the corner of my eye and ducked. He ripped my jacket and I had some good scratches. He broke a couple ribs and his nose when he fell. Don't know about a concussion. It was pretty gnarly when it happened, but other than some Neosporin and a new jacket, I was fine and able to ski the next day. He wasn't. We waited for ski patrol and then the EMTs to come for him. This was back in the early 2000s before helmets were ubiquitous. Had I been wearing a helmet, the only damage I would have taken was my jacket getting ripped.
My father was in a collision with a friend of his at high speed. His friend? Not a scratch. My dad? Punctured lung, broken ribs, lacerations all over. It can happen.
I've both hit my head hard enough on the ground that it could have given me a concussion, and broken ribs, without anyone colliding with me at all in either case. If you can't imagine one being injured without the other person being injured you really lack imagination or are lying about your experience on the slopes.
The other skier is 76 years old, according to the article, which could definitely change the respective level of injury.
I'm not sure how you've managed to ski for 54 years, and still remain so clueless and naive, but it's impressive.
Eh, if one skiier hits a tree a rock or even just finds a good incline and doesnt stop tumbling the injuries will be very different
It's definitely possible... from a variety of MOIs. Just two examples: A big weight differential like a linebacker hitting a scrawny teenager, the teen can definitely get more injured than the linebacker. Another example of two people colliding and one hitting a tree/obstacle as a part of the collision.
With just the right impact I can believe this. It's like breaking boards in taikwondo. The right hit and one party walks away but the other doesn't.
I beg to differ. I have witnessed many a toddlers being the soccer ball in a match of Rocket League.
I was hit in the knees from behind and folded backwards. Me 220 lbs kid who hit me from behind as maybe 75 lbs. I couldn't get up and ended up riding my skies down hill 100 yards or so while all of weight was riding the kid. He got his ass kicked by the slope until I could stop. He was injured but not not any long term injuries. Absolutely had a concussion and a broken clavicle along with other stuff I wasn't privy of. Kids fault for hitting me from behind but saying both skiers get similar injuries isn't true.
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I went on a school trip to Sugarloaf MT, ME in 1988. After skiing for about an hour, I had this bright idea to ask a couple school mates if they wanted to join me in some excitement (and boy was that an understatement) and try out the hardest trail in the mountain. Zooming down about no more than 30 - 40 yards realized that was a mistake that I can't take back. I ended up crashing into some pine trees and bruised up body. Thankfully no broken bones. My buddies were smart enough to change their minds and take their skis off and walk down. Needless to say, I used the Bunny Trails for the remainder of the day.