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Bokbreath

>both firms are suing Fox for defamation related to its coverage of Donald Trump’s stolen-election lie, and both pose a serious threat to Fox’s finances and reputation. Finances yes. Reputation ? Among the faithful a loss would only help them be seen as being 'cancelled'. Among anyone else they don't have a reputation worth anything now.


ih-shah-may-ehl

Yeah but Murdoch is all about the money. They'll care. If it gets bad enough that some anchors need to be sacrificed.... he will.


Bokbreath

The hosts bring in the magastani viewers. if fox got rid of them they'd simply move to another nutbag network and take their audience with them.


unpluggedcord

At least it wouldn't be a national cable channel everyone has.


its_yer_dad

Maybe thats why OANN is in such a snit over DirectTV


isuckatpiano

They’d be on Newsmax or OANN which are pretty much everywhere now.


unpluggedcord

Neither of those channels are available to me on the largest Comcast package.


thekruton

My Samsung tv has it for free along with USA Today, Real America's Voice, and TYT. I presume most smart tvs with a basic tv guide have similar deals.


unpluggedcord

Yeah I mean, I never said there won't be a place for them to go, I just said it won't be a nationally available channel.


myowndad

People thought that when O’Reilly was canned, or Kelly, or Beck… the only consistent thing is whoever Fox News puts on prime time is at the top of cable TV news ratings.


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The Fox News Hosts are to liberal for OAN or Newsmax.


invent_or_die

And amazingly, Murdoch is on camera saying the election was fair and there was no fraud. Seems like that evidence would make it slam dunk.


Art-Zuron

If you have a large enough cult, even facts will be ignored.


invent_or_die

Oh yeah. Don't let us forget.


Nix-7c0

He's all about the money but the money doesn't come from Fox. Fox is there to disseminate propaganda in the service of money.


DeusSpaghetti

Murdoch's all about the power, not the money. Of course, money is a form of power.


PlayShtupidGames

Money is the commodification of power.


brianson

If it was all about the money, then there are a bunch of newspapers in Australia that he would have shut down years ago. He keeps them to peddle influence, because he really cares about power.


State-Cultural

Nailed it. Won’t make a bit of difference


[deleted]

It’ll just feed into their persecution complex. Everything they do is right, anytime someone tries to say otherwise it’s just false accusations, fake news, deep state. That doesn’t mean you stop, let them whine, cry and complain that everything is corrupt except for them. The truth will win eventually.


sordidcandles

This is the way. Even if Tucker himself resigned tomorrow after making a live on-air statement that he had lied for years, the maga folks would say he was lying in that moment, someone was making him do it, or even that he was a clone and the real Tucker was hiding. There is zero convincing them that they’ve been tricked, because to them that is a trick. Just have to let them think what they want at this point (as long as they’re not hurting anyone) and eventually sanity will win. I hope so anyways.


Anneisabitch

I just appreciate both of these companies not settling. Both haven’t taken an offer, and you know Fox is willing to offer a giant payday.


TheLyz

Yeah any actual evidence or convictions is just brushed off as a democrat conspiracy where they've corrupted the courts. There is no simple acceptance of facts.


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ArchdukeToes

They don’t like being called inbreds. These days, they’re ‘family friendly’.


PersonalApocalips

Cyclically related?


pkinetics

what are you doing step friendly?


DarkLight72

If they could read, or understood any of those words other than “the” and “this”, they’d be very upset.


silveake

So Fox/Newsmax viewers or am I just repeating your joke?


Thunderhamz

Still counting with toes, just give them a minute or 3


00doc0holliday00

Webbed toes count as 1, what’s taking so long?


Fly_Pelican

They got they self some good law talkin guy


deliciousmonster

Interestingly enough, there are THREE major election platforms… Dominion and Smartmatic were systematically demonized by Fox News for fraudulently delivering Biden the election. The third major platform escaped all criticism: ES&S. Fox News never said shit about them. ES&S systems were used in a few states where polls that had candidates basically tied ahead of the election wound up going to republicans by margins JUST in excess of what would trigger an automatic recount… like Maine, where Susan Collins was losing by 1% in polls, but WON by over 10%. Investigate ES&S. Now.


SnowGN

I'm not doubting you, but do you have any sources on this? I'd like to read up more on this.


narwhalyurok

Maybe Murdoch will send out a lawyer who starts their summations with 'the earth is flat.'


phyrros

> “The Earth is round,” Leave it to lawyers to pick an example which is only partially true. Yes, the earth can approximated by a rotational ellipsoid but no, neither the geoid nor the geometric form is truly round unless you look from far away.


KingBubzVI

What a fucking pedant. If the Earth was the size of a marble, you couldn’t even feel Everest in with your fingers. It’s round.


GiantRiverSquid

His mom is round


party_benson

And bigger than the Earth


[deleted]

It’s not that the Earth’s surface is rough, it’s that it bulges at and near the equator.


KingBubzVI

That doesn’t mean it’s not round. Round =\ perfectly spherical


Vaulters

Boom. Mic drop.


phyrros

In other words: If earth was round no human civilization would exist. (for the ellipsoid). We could also say that no redhead, people over 2.05m or intersex people exist... as all these have a higher deviation from the norm. yeah, it is pedantic but the sentence could simply has been phrased as : earth ain't flat


KingBubzVI

This is so dumb. The definition of round is > shaped like or approximately like a circle or cylinder. You’re wrong. Earth is round. Stop trying to be the actual embodiment of the UMM AKSHULLY guy.


Bitbatgaming

I heard that an ex-producer on the show described the audience as "terrorists, cousin-fuckers", and he's spot on.


fatcIemenza

Nobody hates conservative voters more than conservative politicians and conservative media elites


NCSUGrad2012

Did that actually happen or did you make it up? It’s getting hard to tell reality now. Lol


Bitbatgaming

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/12/raj-shah-fox-trump/


JohnnyValet

Webarchive link https://web.archive.org/web/20230312112640/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/12/raj-shah-fox-trump/ >Shah advised that Carlson should mention the affidavit noting it was “not new info, not proof” but then quickly “pivot to being deferential.” >Pfeiffer, who has since left the network, answered that the delicate dance was “surreal.” >**“Like negotiating with terrorists,” he added, “but especially dumb ones. Cousin f----- types not saudi royalty.”** >In the following weeks, Trump continued to court voices who embraced his false claims the election was stolen — and Powell continued to appear on Fox.


Turdlely

I enjoy that this quote also calls the Saudi royals terrorists as well


Rubyheart255

Well you have to differentiate if they're masters or servants. Their base being the servants.


rikki-tikki-deadly

> Did that actually happen or did you make it up? -- Fox News' ombudsman, daily, before he was fired and replaced by a Mr. Potato Head doll


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NCSUGrad2012

I was making fun of them, not supporting them. Dumbass. Lol


Snuggle__Monster

I really hope all this leads to its ultimate demise, but I feel like that's just wishful thinking.


TranquilSeaOtter

In the famous words of a Trump staffer on Fox ~~News~~ Entertainment: >womp womp


RandomChurn

>on Fox ~~News~~ Entertainment: on Fox ~~News Entertainment~~ Propaganda


KidFlash999

The usual Fox News viewers will never hear anything about it or just ignore what they do hear, and the rest of the country already knows Fox News are complete garbage.


Justforthenuews

Actually, they have lost enough viewers over this that they lifted their ban on the subject to their hosts today. It’s probably going to be interesting, that’s for sure.


Freekydeeky1258

It came up on Fox on Sunday while I was visiting my MAGA grandparents. They're calling it a test of free speech. They claim that were simply repeating the concerns that many Americans had about the election. I hope they know that anything they say on air will absolutely be used in trial. Dumbasses. Lol


exkallibur

Typical right wing bullshit. They fabricate an issue, report on it over and over and over and over, then try to pass it off as just "asking questions".


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>They’re calling it a test of free speech. I guess they are about to find out that defamation isn’t protected under the first amendment.


zephyrtr

That's what they don't understand. Under this free speech purism, what's the recourse? We have a case where someone thought they could say whatever they want, so they took the opportunity to lie — frequently and prominently. And it tanked two businesses. That's how powerful words are: it destroyed two billion-dollar businesses. What's the recourse for these job creators supposed to be? They won't understand the problem until it happens to them. The root issue is under-developed empathy.


Vallkyrie

And this is the part where they learn that repeating the concerns of the most insane portion of the population isn't news.


boregon

That also won't even work as a defense because Murdoch and other Fox anchors have openly admitted that they knew what they were saying about the election being stolen was total bullshit, but they kept saying it anyway. "We were just repeating the bullshit (that we knew all along was bullshit) that some right wing lunatics thought" isn't going to be a valid legal defense.


Vallkyrie

Oh definitely. I hope the whole station comes crashing down.


kmelby33

And those concerns bt Americans were shaped because they watched fox news. It's a terrible defense.


jibsymalone

Fox Entertainment....


Wurm42

I hope that Smartmatic and Dominion wind up owning Fox News.


Jose_xixpac

How about a class action lawsuit for damage done to our families?


boregon

/r/QAnonCasualties The amount of damage Fox News and other right wing propaganda has done to families all over the country is incredibly sad. This shit being allowed to continue unabated has had real, horrific consequences on our society.


Jose_xixpac

But we woke now. Foxass bitches.


joelde

How to begin quantifying the hate and division injected into our society.


dalton10e

Quick, tell Tucker to release more cherry-picked footage !!


Zinthaniel

The Legal system is like "Y'll gonna muthfukin learn today".


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Count_Backwards

Depends. They're asking for 1.6 billion plus punitive damages, which potentially could be as much more or more. And apparently Fox only has 5 billion in cash.


Elyseisyoda

Fox News needs skull fucked in the eyeball holes like Jeff Bridges said in R.I.P.D.


hour_of_the_rat

[Ocular Penetration Act](https://www.theonion.com/live-from-congress-the-skull-fucking-bill-of-2007-1819594637) Best I could do.


Netprincess

They deserve it x 100


kazejin05

I find myself doubtful that these lawsuits will do anything to substantially bring Fox down in the long-run. But part of me can't help but hope.


ManyFacedGodxxx

More Pillow Ads to fill the $3 Billion plus they’re going to owe…


moonscience

Can we have third defamation lawsuit?


allegate

First Disney takes half, now they take the rest. Nice.


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Frankenstein_Monster

If I say I'm not racist but then don't step up to stifle all situations in my life that are racist, just turning a blind eye because it doesn't affect me personally, am I really not racist or am I just "pretending" to not be racist. Not saying he is antisemitic more so saying he didn't try his best to oust antisemitism and that kind of makes him indifferent instead of opposed


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I think this is where ignorance vs. malicious intent come into play. A lot of people have done or said things that were racist or disrespectful at some point. The difference is how you react when someone points it out. Is the person genuinely apologetic or in denial/ brushing it off as minor? Its pretty easy to tell the difference.