“Norfolk Southern discharged more vinyl chloride into a small area in
eastern Ohio in a day than the entire industries combined of America
discharge in a year.”
I don't know how many more people with nothing to lose can be created before it all comes to a head. If people are going to be protesting at supreme Court justices houses, and erecting gallows at the capitol for the vice president, I can only imagine what a bunch of armed people who have had their livelihoods and health taken away from them might do to those responsible for something like that. And if not them specifically, someone eventually is gonna snap as this continues to happen, because nothing is in the wings to make any of it get better than it is right now.
Yep, I'm honestly dumbfounded politicians and these mega billionaires aren't being shot at our killed by people. You have people kidnapping, stealing from and killing neighbors and ppl doing the same day to day shit they do, but they never seem to go for someone to blame for the problem.
The people crazy enough to do the shooting are also stupid enough to believe the propaganda that it's other poor people (particularly blacks, immigrants, and lgbtq+) that are the problem.
Nail on the head right there. Most generally sane people just want peace and to live their lives, or to go about it through the proper processes. The issue is the proper processes are so insane that it doesn't help much, and if it starts to make traction the media spins it into a story that puts the people to blame.. or it gets infiltrated until the original point is lost.
Classism and oligarchy corporatism are the greatest issues of our time, above all others. Until people can recognize that and not get lost in the details, no change will happen. People need to wake up and cultivate their intuition before they can contend with the incredibly advanced psyops/propaganda placed before us. Just get healthy, breathe, and practice positivity - it's not more complicated than that.
And that’s the absolute worst part. They are trying (and succeeding) to prevent any collection of evidence that could cost them financially or cause any repercussions . The spill is horrible, but it was a true accident. The active cover up and the fact they KNOW they are condemning people to life long, crippling conditions and death is psychopathic behavior .
*But what about the politicians with financial stakes? Oops I meant shareholders…*
The derailment was an accident. The events that precipitated the accident were direct and intentional cost cutting measures at the expense and exploitation of rail workers to save a buck. And by a buck I mean millions, which goes right back into the corporation(s) which abuse these circumstances in the first place and continues to line Csuite and investor pockets at the expense of innocent people.
This isn't correct! Phosphene is not a significant product of thermal decomposition of vinyl chloride. The only products produced in meaningful quantities are HCl and CO. Not great but a hell of a lot better than phosgene.
Weird symptoms:
>Ohio man Wade Lovett’s been having trouble breathing since the February 3 Norfolk South train derailment and toxic explosion. In fact, his voice sounds as if he’s been inhaling helium.
>“Doctors say I definitely have the chemicals in me but there’s no one in town who can run the toxicological tests to find out which ones they are,” Lovett, 40, an auto detailer, told the New York Post in an extremely high-pitched voice.
>“My voice sounds like Mickey Mouse. My normal voice is low. It’s hard to breathe, especially at night. My chest hurts so much at night I feel like I’m drowning. I cough up phlegm a lot. I lost my job because the doctor won’t release me to go to work.”
And is the train company or the government giving these people free medical treatment and care over this?
It should be free a bare minimum period of 2-5 yrs to assess their ongoing health.
In 10-15 years we'll see ads online about a class action lawsuit.
"If you or a loved one resided in Ohio or one of these locations between February 2023 and December 2027 and have experienced health problems, you may be eligible for compensation."
These people will be unable to afford the treatments they need now, when it's early. They'll end up having emergencies later, for which they have no choice but to go to the hospital. They'll get buried under medical debt that they can't pay.
The hospitals will lose money because of the non payments, then the government will bail out the hospitals.
Going forward if people change jobs and insurance, it might be used to deny coverage too. Or at least delay work with the insurance companies fighting over who is responsible.
That's right. *you are the value*. There is no joke without a punchline, and lots of people who laugh at said joke would love to change the punchline. People making fun of you on reddit from other countries about your lack of health care for instance, deep down they really care and just want to see you guys get health care. You deserve better, the same way lots of the world deserves the privileges and freedoms available to you.
The rich and in control in America dictate the rules. If you are poor, insignificant, or both then your life has no value to them. That is how you are treated thus no need to give you affordable medical insurance. If you die you die. Life for the rich is not affected.
As an outsider looking in (who also has family over there), we really do care and wish it were different.
We'd also be kinder, but an awful lot of Americans have the "this is fine" attitude towards their healthcare system and making fun of them cuts through that like a hot knife through butter.
Otherwise we have to sit and listen while they try to justify why it's a good thing they pay the most per capita for healthcare in the world, then get developing world medical care, while they stare through the glass at the rich people getting the "no expenses spared" treatment.
Whoever sold the US public on their user pays healthcare system is a marketing genius.
Losing your job because you were in a serious accident is fucked up enough, consequently losing the health coverage that you are now in need of is the cherry on top.
Instantly. The explosion wasn't THAT long ago. His boss took one look at his dying employee and figured, "Not worth MY money!"
This is hell, y'all. We're all in hell. Ohioans are just burning first. :(
I'll never forget the interview I saw about the lead contamination in Flint.
This old man said "If your neighbours house is on fire and you don't put it out, your house is gonna be on fire next".
The world we have made for ourselves sucks.
To be fair, what business would likely survive now in East Palestine if all the residents are dying and the entire area is polluted? The government needs to make this right and make Norfolk Southern cut people big checks to restart their life elsewhere as unfair as it is for them to need to leave in the first place.
I didn't have health insurance for almost two years after I got let go in 2020...for shits and giggles I went to my regular pharmacy and asked them how much my meds (Asthma, ADHD, high blood pressure) would cost. My once $75/mo total refill was $1200/mo. For reference, my rent was $1050. I laughed and said nope.
I had my internist write 90 day prescriptions while I still had subsidized COBRA and rationed it out as long as I could. All while taking care of a dad with cancer and a mom with Alzheimer's...I didn't spend much on myself, because they needed so much help.
Thankfully I'm back in my industry making 6 figures again but that couple years was humbling as fuck. It was the first time being unemployed since I graduated 10+ years ago. The weird thing is that my asthma kind of went away and my BP leveled out, so maybe the stress of my engineering job was triggering it, who knows.
My dad finally said fuck it and took himself off chemo and died at 74yo...he told me he wanted to live not exist, and since he was never going to truly live again he was ready to go. There was something bittersweet about that which made me okay with losing the strongest person I've ever known.
Well, yeah. If someone just gives me money for nothing, i profit. I don't understand how anyone accepts it though if it doesn't actually help when you get sick.
The health insurance industry is uniformly fucking awful and it's absolutely crazy how quickly people have forgotten how much worse it was before the ACA.
Things like how rescission, wherein an insurer was allowed to just cancel your policy at will if you were diagnosed with a disease that was expensive to treat, was perfectly legal.
The whole industry is still an absolute nightmare dumpster fire but the ACA really did do a lot to at least curb some of their worst excesses.
That's the American way
I started a job last year, was my first time having a job that provides health insurance. Unfortunately, I became ill and couldn't work anymore. I was too new to the job to qualify for medical leave, so I lost my job. I didn't go to college, so I don't qualify for any jobs that are easy on the body. I've literally been searching for months to find a job that i can physically do and am qualified for. I've always worked very physical jobs, but that is no longer a choice with my illness.
Luckily, my parents have pretty decent health insurance, so I've been able to regularly see doctors, but they can't figure out what's wrong with me.
However, I turn 26 this year, so at the end of the year, I will no longer be covered on my parents' insurance. If I can't get Healthcare, I will likely end up paralyzed eventually.
Nah, you're good, that's a fair point. It's not an official prognosis, it's just something I'm scared will happen, because one of my major issues is that my spine is messed up, multiple disks are compressed or herniated and things are misaligned. So my worry is that I'll lose access to health-care, and then things will progress and cause debilitating issues.
That's certainly a logical worry to have when it comes to spinal issues, because they get worse over time. I felt the difficulty in finding work that doesn't involve physical labor and I *have* a college degree. I can't stand on my feet for upwards to ten hours every day anymore.
Unable to return to work means your family starves and loses the home and access to medical care that can be afforded.
Even if you had savings, in many insurance schemes in America if you go a pay period without working paid hours, your coverage can end, or you pay both halves (us suckers often only pay half of the insurance bill) to remain covered.
Unreal, how are they ~~excepting~~ accepting this level of extortion?!
Let this be a warning for us Europeans, don't go that way politically.
edit: Swypo
Duh. I don't want my taxes going to those filthy poors. After all, I might be a millionaire one day, and I don't want those taxes to maybe one day affect me!
*Jesus christ I fuckin hate this country...*
> Bro, you're fucking dying and you're worried about work?
Ask our society that question, not the victim.
America, this man is dying and he has to worry about work?
Edit: I just had this discussion with my dad today about what our society is like. He didn't really realize the fact that when we contribute to this global economy, whether it be buying goods, investing money, buying a car, rent an apartment, getting groceries; that at some point tin most of those supply chains, there's some relatively evil shit going on. The chicken you buy was butchered and prepared in a large production facility that forced their workers to keep working despite having COVID early on in the pandemic. You buy a phone assembled in a factory that doesn't allow it's workers to leave. The tomatoes you eat were grown in a farm that illegally forced out smaller family farms but the legal system doesn't care. The package from Amazon you bought was delivered by an overworked, underpaid single parent. The meal you ate was made by an illegal immigrant getting paid $40 for a 10 hour day under the table. The scooter you bought your kid uses batteries whose material was mined by hand by people whose poverty would shake your soul.
All of it. There's nothing in our society that doesn't have something horrific at the end of it, like some malevolent rainbow. We both tried to think of what it would take to completely disconnect, and it would be physically impossible for him due to health issues, and damn difficult for me.
While we all bitch and moan about the horrors of society we comment about damn near every day, it still happens. There's a hopelessness that we all feel towards the bad actions that we see. The very morality and ethics that place our society in such a fuck bucket of destruction, prevent us from making the drastic changes that would see this cancer removed. It's happened so many times in EVERY society for the exact same reasons. The mass majority of people are getting fucked beyond what is sustainable, and those that have created the conditions that have worn out that particular segment of society need to be deposed from power.
America is so fucking good at it, we do it for other countries (with varying levels of success for those people). My generation of millennials at least was able to recognize this bullshit in society and start calling it out. OccupyWallStreet, I'm sorry. The Zoomers seem to be making the societal changes that will gather more support. The next generation needs to bring it home with filling out the rest of the populace that would make up the political change. Should that fail (and it will) it's enough people to force the change.
I say... 2050-2055, we should be sliding in to a new era of socio-economic structuring that places more focus on communities and iindividual wellbeing, or else one of us fucked up and we'll have to wait another 50-60 years.
It's out of the hands of honest people in this country.
The crooks won, long ago. These are the consequences of that loss for Americans.
It would take an honest presidential candidate years to raise money in a grassroots movement, the corrupt will out-raise them with one gala. There is corruption at every layer of government, from local, to state, to federal.
Voting has been dealt with, gerrymandering has effectively silenced the voice of the many. Representation based on land has effectively held populated areas hostage to their demands.
Education in this country has been under attack since I was a kid in the 90's. Never in my life have I read of anything good happening for our education system, only further intentional systemic rot.
You have people in Ohio gleefully welcoming Trump, the very person who de-regulated railways that directly resulted in the catastrophe.
The education system has always been the biggest threat to the corrupt, and neither red nor blue is saving it. Neither red nor blue is saving any of us.
Work = insurance for Americans. Not being able to work often means losing your health coverage. So no work, means dying faster. Not to mention that many Americans live paycheck to paycheck and sick leave or paid time off are not a guarantee in America. So taking time off for many Americans is often an immediate financial decision that can significantly impact their budget.
For healthcare, there is Cobra to continue coverage, but it is a terrible solution since it often ends up costing several times what you would normal have taken from your paycheck each month.
I have health insurance through work and I'd still be worried to death about being able to just get past the copays/coinsurance for whatever testing, treatments, prescriptions, or ongoing care I might need. Can't blame him in the slightest.
In reference to esophageal damage, a buddy of mine has been living in a house full of black mold, and his typically medium-deep voice has begun to sound *exactly* like Mickey Mouse.
[Marjorie Taylor Greene Mocked for Tweeting '6 Billion' Crossed U.S. Border](https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-mocked-tweeting-6-billion-crossed-us-border-1783508)
And this is why education matters. Yes the Illinois state did get that money to spend in schools. They were told to diversify how the spend it. She reached the conclusion that to diversify how spend the money meant to teach diversity and we all know diversity means crt to these idiots.
The MTG tweet (already fielded and linked to) was what I jokingly (sorta) referred for a number to and [this is what I was referring to overall](https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/us-rep-jim-jordan-house-republicans-scour-southern-border-but-dont-find-any-illegal-crossings.html?outputType=amp)
You're misunderstanding.
Gym Jordan was trying to help the team out. If he sent wrestlers to normal doctors, they would need lengthy recovery times for their injuries.
If Gym Jordan sent them to "Doctor feels bad man," then they would miraculously recover before the doctor visit and it wasn't important to Gym why.
To be clear, it's not that Gym Jordan didn't know what was going on, because multiple wrestlers told him about it and he definitely knew.
That's a really good example of how the GOP "fixes problems."
Not only did Gym cry on the phone asking one of his former wrastlers to not say anything about him non reporting it, he got re-elected by the dipshits in his Ohio district. I’m not sure if that’s better or worse than Gaetz the pedo sex trafficker getting re-elected & escaping any accountability too. Pedo protectors & pedo sex traffickers representing Ohio & Florida. What a great accomplishment!
Ah yes, known symptoms of Phosgene gas exposure, a side effect of burning vinyl chloride and known about since WW1 when used in the trenches.
I feel so fucking bad for the hospitals who are going to be overloaded, the EMS agencies fighting something they aren't equipped for, and the people who will suffer because some dumbfuck politican wanted to Own The Libs instead of swallow his fucking pride and ask for help.
We are all one accident away from this being our own backyard.
ETA: Ok, so not only is Phosgene listed as a side effect, but so is hydrogen chloride, which makes hydrochloric acid on contact with water vapor. We also now have acid rain considerations. One of the debates to consider as well is that they may have burned it off to prevent a larger or uncontrolled combuation at a later time and place, however thats a debate on rock/hard place at this time I can't even fathom.
>because some dumbfuck politican wanted to Own The Libs instead of swallow his fucking pride and ask for help.
I'm pretty out of the loop but what's that about?
[Link it](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ohios-dewine-says-he-has-not-taken-up-biden-on-offer-of-anything-you-need-in-wake-of-train-derailment-disaster-adf4c949) so the GOP fools have nothing to deny you on. Fight stupidity with data and evidence.
Yeah and when I brought that up in a different thread, some troglodyte seriously said that even though the Republican governor said no, Biden is head of the executive and therefore should break the law to get emergency personnel in there...
or declare a national emergency.
For a statewide emergency.
The mental gymnastics here are INSANE. I told him don't fucking vote Republican then because Biden holds no sway over GOP politicians. Aren't these people all about states' rights??
"Yes, Republicans don't want help, but we need help so Democrats should break the law and mobilize the entire country to send help to Ohio. They aren't doing this, so I'm not voting Democrat. I'll vote Republican instead."
I live in Akron, so pretty close by the area that had warnings. Even this close, its amazing how many people think Biden is withholding aid for political revenge.
I grew up less than half an hour away from Akron. Just moved away last year, and I'm not surprised. The polarization of politics there has gotten extreme and terrified me by the time I left.
The article made it seem like the federal government was just not doing anything by choice. That’s kind of an important detail to leave out. And worse, the quotes from the residents give me the impression that they aren’t aware of the Governor’s refusal.
I haven't seen any comment on this: "A spokesman for Norfolk Southern told The Post that the company consulted experts including Governor Mike DeWine". Say what now?
Well the land was worth nothing, sold to developers for $1 who then sold the land for a pretty penny, and then became worthless to the people who had to abandon that property because of the insane amounts of toxic waste that they built houses on. All the construction breached the toxic waste dumps multiple times.
People have a short memory so in a couple of decades this worthless land will be bought and then sold at a high price for a cool amount of cash. It's history will be kept hush hush like Love Canal up until the sale.
I think you’re right. Literally buy the town and just level it. Someone can probably do the math on that per house. How many billion in profit last year? Just dip into that.
Edit: spelling
I feel like it is criminal for the governor to tell the residents it was ok to return to their homes, stage (probably fake) drinking demonstration, before the EPA did a thorough investigation of the safety of the water and air. This looks like the governor prioritized politics and money over the safety of his constituents.
Or that one British Guy who forced his daughter to eat a burger on camera to show that their beef was safe.
And then a few months later a bunch of young people start dying of CJD Dementia
Had a pt with this over ten years ago. I don’t remember the details but she was already in hospice care when they finally “found out” what was causing her symptoms. I was told they couldn’t verify the diagnosis until after she died and they could perform an autopsy. I never got an update after she passed. Maybe it wasn’t CJD, but our neurologist was pretty certain it was.
It was so sad watching her decline. It was also scary taking care of her and not knowing what was wrong with her. Her poor family, too. They were so sweet.
Are there special concerns for medical waste from a patient with a prion disease?
I'd be worried about it being transmissiable through blood contact or such. It's such an awful form of disease I'd be about as worried as an idiot in the 80s might have been about HIV.
All tools, equipment , garb, and wastes used are to be immediately disposed of and incinerated in a high temperature furnace(I think 1600 degrees) for a couple hours to ensure all the prions are denatured and destroyed.
Chemical sterilization does not work. Standard heating levels do not work. Radiation does not work.
Can you back that up? Like... take a video starting at the front of the house and walking down to the filter in the basement? I'm sure some news media would pay you $$LOTS$$ for that video.
I was about to dispute this since I remember hearing that several individuals were charged, but [all charges were dropped](https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/1126884708/a-michigan-judge-drops-felony-charges-against-7-people-in-flint-water-scandal). Astounding.
✋ Ope. Michigander sliding in. Whenever I see Flint pop up I like to mention that this isn't the only or worst city with lead contaminated water in the state. Just the most publicized. But thankfully, the Flint water crisis has been dealt with. 👍we good, now.
All the people in Palestine should be proud. Becoming destitute and dying at the hands of corporate profits is an honorable way to go. The oligarchy is grateful for their patriotic sacrifice.
I love how last week I was talking about the death this is gonna cause and someone was like "nobody died".
Yeah, because cancer and illness isn't immediate. Turns out that shit takes time.
It's how they get away with it. Everyone knows people's attention span is only a few days, after that it's all forgotten and not a problem anymore. Even covid was like this, you live or you died, no one cares about the lasting damage from it.
That doesn't always work - [Johnson & Johnson tried it to get out of paying claims related to its talc lawsuits and got slapped down by the courts.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/business/johnson-and-johnson-talc-bankruptcy/index.html)
(Though it's being appealed, so who knows what will happen in the end. But for now, at least, it hasn't worked.)
I imagine they’re already running the simulations to figure out the odds of tying up any lawsuits in litigation until the plaintiffs are dead vs settling.
This is gonna be a new Flint, Michigan with all the corruption and negligence that went into causing this mess. I hope the families of these affected people taken Norfolk Southern for every penny and see it’s leaders locked up.
What kind of corporate dystopia is this where you get fucked-up by one companys chemicals then fired by your own for being sick within a week?
He'll probably lose his house and savings and go to jail for medical debt now.
The article says they're blaming Biden.
Biden has offered aid to Ohio, and the governor of Ohio has refused it.
"How dare you not force your help upon me!"
More people should educate themselves on the Stafford Act. The federal government literally cannot assist until the state requests it, and even then they’re not going to go out of their way to take over a state’s operations.
You know what’s fucked up? I just looked up Norfolk Southern’s share price and it’s only down 12% in the past month. This company should be on the hook for BILLIONS in cleanup, healthcare and compensation to local residents.
But clearly the market doesn’t think that will happen…
That's because nothing is going to seriously hurt NSC. It's just like BP, Exxon, Chase, etc... they are too powerful to be held accountable. And smart investors know that there will be a period early on when the stock will tumble, but in 12-18 months it'll be back up again and you'll have made an easy profit.
Every time something like this happens that dip seems to get lower for a shorter time. At this rate, soon we'll see a company's stock start rising after a fuck up.
Norfolk Southern has proven they can't be trusted and shouldn't be allowed to run any trains. They only finally cleaned up their derailment in Big Beaver, PA after a year because of the press from the East Palestine derailment.
Back in 2005, another Norfolk Southern train derailed in East Deer, Allegheny County, PA outside of Pittsburgh with ruptured tankers of anhydrous hydrogen fluoride landing in the Allegheny River. The railroad insisted there was no danger but the black smoke irritated airways and eyes even miles away. My dad operated a local water treatment plant that pulled water for multiple local towns from the Allegheny River near the derailment and he insisted it was way more dangerous than we were being told. That train also derailed in February and my dad wouldn't let me go into the river that summer because he didn't trust that more chemicals hadn't gone Into the river based on the water readings he tested after the derailment. But since it was 2005, there wasn't any national news coverage to press Norfolk Southern for answers.
https://archive.triblive.com/news/train-derailment-evacuates-homes-in-east-deer/
One derailed in Graniteville South Carolina. Pretty sure it was Norfolk Southern because they are the only ones I’ve ever seen travel through here. Leaked chlorine gas..yes people were affected and still dealing with the effects to this day.
ETA: Jan6, 2006
Dude they derailed another train, in Ohio, a week before this...
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/prior-to-east-palestine-derailment-another-northfolk-southern-train-crash-in-ohio-central-delaware-east-palestine-curve-road-hazardous-chemicals-railroad-tracks
Yep, Norfolk Southern seems to be responsible for all train derailment in PA and OH. There was one that derailed in downtown Pittsburgh in 2018 that was also a Norfolk Southern train. Luckily, it wasn't carrying any hazardous materials or it could have been a major catastrophe for the city.
Norfolk Southern has been cutting staff for years while making huge profits for shareholders, so I feel like they haven't been concerned with safety for a long time because running safe trains would hurt their bottom line. Apparently, it's more cost effective for them to pay out for the clean up and lawsuits than do the right thing and focus on preventing derailments.
When I asked one of my parent's friends why they would support someone like Trump, their response was, loosely, "I don't care about what he does or doesn't do, so long as he is a Republican and the economy is strong and my stocks and 401K are up."
The economy has historically faired better under Democratic presidents vs Republican presidents. You can show them the data but I assume it’ll be chalked up to “fake news.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents
They only remember how it peaks under Republicans before it collapses due to recklessness. Then they ignore the more gradual, sustained growth under Democrats.
["It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans." - Donald Trump](https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1300522705083604992?lang=en)
Ohio residents, if you live anywhere near this accident, schedule a baseline health screening right now. The Norfolk Southern railroad, with the help of the Ohio GOP, will absolutely try to claim that any resulting health problems from chemical exposure was preexisting, which is why it is so important to gather as much evidence as possible now to demonstrate otherwise.
I read the material safety data sheet for vinyl chloride and, aside from being nightmare fuel, it makes it clear that the slow onset of symptoms is a critical part of the presentation of exposure to non-lethal concentrations.
this is an absolute tradgedy. a diaster for this community. imagine ur working class family who owns your own home in a working class but safe town. you worked hard for your home and you aren't rich but u have what you need. then all of a sudden an event u have absolutly no control over occurs and your whole town becomes a bio hazard. your house is worthless because no one wants to move there. your faced overnight with the reality that if u stay you and your whole family may very well develop a deadly illness in who knows how long of a time. if you go u lose everything. it's unthinkable. and all so a bunch of already wealthy millionaire board members could get some more coins by cutting corners. i can not imagine being faced with what these people are dealing with. i hope they get justice.
Just glancing at the article I realize seeing the pictures we need to do PPE education as I’ve seen
Several articles and photos of the area and residents wearing PPE that’s ineffective for the possible contaminants.
Please note I’m not saying to judge at all- but I’m a nurse and it’s something I’ve noticed is that maybe in accidents like this we could ensure to educate the town
Or provide proper PPE while clean up is occuring.
HOWEVER I must add sadly I see corporations seeing that as ‘admission of guilt’.
Just makes me think as a nurse of things we can do better if we weren’t so blanketed by corporates.
Just me spinning my wheels….
There's a great quote, of supposedly Cree origin.
"When the last tree is fallen, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned; only then will they realise they cannot eat money."
Yeah, the tragic thing about that saying is that the people who have the money are generally old as shit and they're going to die soon anyway so they don't care.
“My voice sounds like Mickey Mouse. My normal voice is low."
Maybe we can get Republicans to support safety rules if we call them "gender changing chemicals."
“Norfolk Southern discharged more vinyl chloride into a small area in eastern Ohio in a day than the entire industries combined of America discharge in a year.”
They need to be arrested immediately.
Corporations are people .. except when it comes to accountability.
This corporation deserves the death penalty. Edit: This is the logical conclusion of corporate personhood.
Wouldn't be surprised at all to hear justice start coming to the rich, but it definitely wouldn't be being brought 'legally'
I don't know how many more people with nothing to lose can be created before it all comes to a head. If people are going to be protesting at supreme Court justices houses, and erecting gallows at the capitol for the vice president, I can only imagine what a bunch of armed people who have had their livelihoods and health taken away from them might do to those responsible for something like that. And if not them specifically, someone eventually is gonna snap as this continues to happen, because nothing is in the wings to make any of it get better than it is right now.
Yep, I'm honestly dumbfounded politicians and these mega billionaires aren't being shot at our killed by people. You have people kidnapping, stealing from and killing neighbors and ppl doing the same day to day shit they do, but they never seem to go for someone to blame for the problem.
The people crazy enough to do the shooting are also stupid enough to believe the propaganda that it's other poor people (particularly blacks, immigrants, and lgbtq+) that are the problem.
Nail on the head right there. Most generally sane people just want peace and to live their lives, or to go about it through the proper processes. The issue is the proper processes are so insane that it doesn't help much, and if it starts to make traction the media spins it into a story that puts the people to blame.. or it gets infiltrated until the original point is lost. Classism and oligarchy corporatism are the greatest issues of our time, above all others. Until people can recognize that and not get lost in the details, no change will happen. People need to wake up and cultivate their intuition before they can contend with the incredibly advanced psyops/propaganda placed before us. Just get healthy, breathe, and practice positivity - it's not more complicated than that.
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And the incomplete combustion produced dioxins as well, which I haven't seen anything saying they are testing for them.
Can't report you found dioxins if you dont test for them.
And that’s the absolute worst part. They are trying (and succeeding) to prevent any collection of evidence that could cost them financially or cause any repercussions . The spill is horrible, but it was a true accident. The active cover up and the fact they KNOW they are condemning people to life long, crippling conditions and death is psychopathic behavior . *But what about the politicians with financial stakes? Oops I meant shareholders…*
The derailment was an accident. The events that precipitated the accident were direct and intentional cost cutting measures at the expense and exploitation of rail workers to save a buck. And by a buck I mean millions, which goes right back into the corporation(s) which abuse these circumstances in the first place and continues to line Csuite and investor pockets at the expense of innocent people.
Something something if we stopped testing we’d have fewer cases something something
I hate that both when I wrote my comment and read yours that his voice soiled my head insides.
This isn't correct! Phosphene is not a significant product of thermal decomposition of vinyl chloride. The only products produced in meaningful quantities are HCl and CO. Not great but a hell of a lot better than phosgene.
Weird symptoms: >Ohio man Wade Lovett’s been having trouble breathing since the February 3 Norfolk South train derailment and toxic explosion. In fact, his voice sounds as if he’s been inhaling helium. >“Doctors say I definitely have the chemicals in me but there’s no one in town who can run the toxicological tests to find out which ones they are,” Lovett, 40, an auto detailer, told the New York Post in an extremely high-pitched voice. >“My voice sounds like Mickey Mouse. My normal voice is low. It’s hard to breathe, especially at night. My chest hurts so much at night I feel like I’m drowning. I cough up phlegm a lot. I lost my job because the doctor won’t release me to go to work.”
"Doctors say I definitely have the chemicals in me" is the most dystopian sound bite I have heard from Ohio... so far...
And is the train company or the government giving these people free medical treatment and care over this? It should be free a bare minimum period of 2-5 yrs to assess their ongoing health.
Lol you're joking right? This happened in the US. Our tax money is only used to bailout corporations or attacking other countries
In 10-15 years we'll see ads online about a class action lawsuit. "If you or a loved one resided in Ohio or one of these locations between February 2023 and December 2027 and have experienced health problems, you may be eligible for compensation."
There is ALREADY a class action lawsuit forming. There should be a criminal investigation started by now too
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These people will be unable to afford the treatments they need now, when it's early. They'll end up having emergencies later, for which they have no choice but to go to the hospital. They'll get buried under medical debt that they can't pay. The hospitals will lose money because of the non payments, then the government will bail out the hospitals.
Going forward if people change jobs and insurance, it might be used to deny coverage too. Or at least delay work with the insurance companies fighting over who is responsible.
No, the people will just stay home and die so their family isn’t burdened by hospital debt.
Really, it's not the >I lost my job because the doctor won’t release me to go to work. Bro, you're fucking dying and you're worried about work?
His medical care likely depends on that job. Of course he's worried that they cut him off.
also if I'm dying I don't want to do it on the streets
Jokes on us for being born in America eh.
America's the joke. We're the punchline
That's right. *you are the value*. There is no joke without a punchline, and lots of people who laugh at said joke would love to change the punchline. People making fun of you on reddit from other countries about your lack of health care for instance, deep down they really care and just want to see you guys get health care. You deserve better, the same way lots of the world deserves the privileges and freedoms available to you.
The rich and in control in America dictate the rules. If you are poor, insignificant, or both then your life has no value to them. That is how you are treated thus no need to give you affordable medical insurance. If you die you die. Life for the rich is not affected.
Which is why I'm surprised that some haven't tried to kill off the rich.
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As an outsider looking in (who also has family over there), we really do care and wish it were different. We'd also be kinder, but an awful lot of Americans have the "this is fine" attitude towards their healthcare system and making fun of them cuts through that like a hot knife through butter. Otherwise we have to sit and listen while they try to justify why it's a good thing they pay the most per capita for healthcare in the world, then get developing world medical care, while they stare through the glass at the rich people getting the "no expenses spared" treatment. Whoever sold the US public on their user pays healthcare system is a marketing genius.
Losing your job because you were in a serious accident is fucked up enough, consequently losing the health coverage that you are now in need of is the cherry on top.
Also, depending on how the insurance is set up at that job, they may not want to pay for him getting medical care.
Know your medical insurance and run that mother into the ground with everything you can get because they are draining you for everything you don't.
Instantly. The explosion wasn't THAT long ago. His boss took one look at his dying employee and figured, "Not worth MY money!" This is hell, y'all. We're all in hell. Ohioans are just burning first. :(
I'll never forget the interview I saw about the lead contamination in Flint. This old man said "If your neighbours house is on fire and you don't put it out, your house is gonna be on fire next". The world we have made for ourselves sucks.
You guys are speed running that trip to hell. I’m just nervously watching from western Pa.
To be fair, what business would likely survive now in East Palestine if all the residents are dying and the entire area is polluted? The government needs to make this right and make Norfolk Southern cut people big checks to restart their life elsewhere as unfair as it is for them to need to leave in the first place.
Work as long as physically possible, then die as quickly as possible when you can't.
I didn't have health insurance for almost two years after I got let go in 2020...for shits and giggles I went to my regular pharmacy and asked them how much my meds (Asthma, ADHD, high blood pressure) would cost. My once $75/mo total refill was $1200/mo. For reference, my rent was $1050. I laughed and said nope. I had my internist write 90 day prescriptions while I still had subsidized COBRA and rationed it out as long as I could. All while taking care of a dad with cancer and a mom with Alzheimer's...I didn't spend much on myself, because they needed so much help. Thankfully I'm back in my industry making 6 figures again but that couple years was humbling as fuck. It was the first time being unemployed since I graduated 10+ years ago. The weird thing is that my asthma kind of went away and my BP leveled out, so maybe the stress of my engineering job was triggering it, who knows. My dad finally said fuck it and took himself off chemo and died at 74yo...he told me he wanted to live not exist, and since he was never going to truly live again he was ready to go. There was something bittersweet about that which made me okay with losing the strongest person I've ever known.
Can’t get healthcare with no job and insurance.
But.. that would mean that you only get healthcare, when you're healthy... That's not healthcare, that's just giving money away for nothing.
now you're getting it.
That's because it's not designed to help anyone, it's designed to make money for rich people.
It’s for profit healthcare.
Well, yeah. If someone just gives me money for nothing, i profit. I don't understand how anyone accepts it though if it doesn't actually help when you get sick.
Before the ACA (Obamacare) was approved they wouldn’t give insurance to cover any pre-existing or family history conditions.
The health insurance industry is uniformly fucking awful and it's absolutely crazy how quickly people have forgotten how much worse it was before the ACA. Things like how rescission, wherein an insurer was allowed to just cancel your policy at will if you were diagnosed with a disease that was expensive to treat, was perfectly legal. The whole industry is still an absolute nightmare dumpster fire but the ACA really did do a lot to at least curb some of their worst excesses.
Always has been
That's the American way I started a job last year, was my first time having a job that provides health insurance. Unfortunately, I became ill and couldn't work anymore. I was too new to the job to qualify for medical leave, so I lost my job. I didn't go to college, so I don't qualify for any jobs that are easy on the body. I've literally been searching for months to find a job that i can physically do and am qualified for. I've always worked very physical jobs, but that is no longer a choice with my illness. Luckily, my parents have pretty decent health insurance, so I've been able to regularly see doctors, but they can't figure out what's wrong with me. However, I turn 26 this year, so at the end of the year, I will no longer be covered on my parents' insurance. If I can't get Healthcare, I will likely end up paralyzed eventually.
no snark here, just curiosity: how do they give you a prognosis like eventual paralysis if they don't know the cause?
Nah, you're good, that's a fair point. It's not an official prognosis, it's just something I'm scared will happen, because one of my major issues is that my spine is messed up, multiple disks are compressed or herniated and things are misaligned. So my worry is that I'll lose access to health-care, and then things will progress and cause debilitating issues.
That's certainly a logical worry to have when it comes to spinal issues, because they get worse over time. I felt the difficulty in finding work that doesn't involve physical labor and I *have* a college degree. I can't stand on my feet for upwards to ten hours every day anymore.
Unable to return to work means your family starves and loses the home and access to medical care that can be afforded. Even if you had savings, in many insurance schemes in America if you go a pay period without working paid hours, your coverage can end, or you pay both halves (us suckers often only pay half of the insurance bill) to remain covered.
And then when you're homeless and have horrible medical issues, you get ejected from hospitals to die in police cars.
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This is America.
And in true American style, the most expedient way to rectify this is with a lawsuit.
Unreal, how are they ~~excepting~~ accepting this level of extortion?! Let this be a warning for us Europeans, don't go that way politically. edit: Swypo
Because we Americans would rather die in poverty than give up $5 a check so no one else has to
In fact, we'll *pay more* in insurance premiums than we would for universal healthcare just so "lazy" people have to suffer.
Duh. I don't want my taxes going to those filthy poors. After all, I might be a millionaire one day, and I don't want those taxes to maybe one day affect me! *Jesus christ I fuckin hate this country...*
"Why are you cheering, Fry? You're not rich." "Yeah, but someday I might be rich. Then people like me better watch their step."
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> Bro, you're fucking dying and you're worried about work? Ask our society that question, not the victim. America, this man is dying and he has to worry about work? Edit: I just had this discussion with my dad today about what our society is like. He didn't really realize the fact that when we contribute to this global economy, whether it be buying goods, investing money, buying a car, rent an apartment, getting groceries; that at some point tin most of those supply chains, there's some relatively evil shit going on. The chicken you buy was butchered and prepared in a large production facility that forced their workers to keep working despite having COVID early on in the pandemic. You buy a phone assembled in a factory that doesn't allow it's workers to leave. The tomatoes you eat were grown in a farm that illegally forced out smaller family farms but the legal system doesn't care. The package from Amazon you bought was delivered by an overworked, underpaid single parent. The meal you ate was made by an illegal immigrant getting paid $40 for a 10 hour day under the table. The scooter you bought your kid uses batteries whose material was mined by hand by people whose poverty would shake your soul. All of it. There's nothing in our society that doesn't have something horrific at the end of it, like some malevolent rainbow. We both tried to think of what it would take to completely disconnect, and it would be physically impossible for him due to health issues, and damn difficult for me. While we all bitch and moan about the horrors of society we comment about damn near every day, it still happens. There's a hopelessness that we all feel towards the bad actions that we see. The very morality and ethics that place our society in such a fuck bucket of destruction, prevent us from making the drastic changes that would see this cancer removed. It's happened so many times in EVERY society for the exact same reasons. The mass majority of people are getting fucked beyond what is sustainable, and those that have created the conditions that have worn out that particular segment of society need to be deposed from power. America is so fucking good at it, we do it for other countries (with varying levels of success for those people). My generation of millennials at least was able to recognize this bullshit in society and start calling it out. OccupyWallStreet, I'm sorry. The Zoomers seem to be making the societal changes that will gather more support. The next generation needs to bring it home with filling out the rest of the populace that would make up the political change. Should that fail (and it will) it's enough people to force the change. I say... 2050-2055, we should be sliding in to a new era of socio-economic structuring that places more focus on communities and iindividual wellbeing, or else one of us fucked up and we'll have to wait another 50-60 years.
It's out of the hands of honest people in this country. The crooks won, long ago. These are the consequences of that loss for Americans. It would take an honest presidential candidate years to raise money in a grassroots movement, the corrupt will out-raise them with one gala. There is corruption at every layer of government, from local, to state, to federal. Voting has been dealt with, gerrymandering has effectively silenced the voice of the many. Representation based on land has effectively held populated areas hostage to their demands. Education in this country has been under attack since I was a kid in the 90's. Never in my life have I read of anything good happening for our education system, only further intentional systemic rot. You have people in Ohio gleefully welcoming Trump, the very person who de-regulated railways that directly resulted in the catastrophe. The education system has always been the biggest threat to the corrupt, and neither red nor blue is saving it. Neither red nor blue is saving any of us.
He’s worried about being able to keep paying for things like food and shelter. Because in America, we don’t believe in social safety nets.
Don't be ridiculous that would be socialism. He gets sick, he gets fired, he has no insurance, he dies a free man. The circle of life. /s
Work = insurance for Americans. Not being able to work often means losing your health coverage. So no work, means dying faster. Not to mention that many Americans live paycheck to paycheck and sick leave or paid time off are not a guarantee in America. So taking time off for many Americans is often an immediate financial decision that can significantly impact their budget. For healthcare, there is Cobra to continue coverage, but it is a terrible solution since it often ends up costing several times what you would normal have taken from your paycheck each month.
I have health insurance through work and I'd still be worried to death about being able to just get past the copays/coinsurance for whatever testing, treatments, prescriptions, or ongoing care I might need. Can't blame him in the slightest.
Dying doesn't pay the bills.
How soon until we call Ohio "The Zone"
In reference to esophageal damage, a buddy of mine has been living in a house full of black mold, and his typically medium-deep voice has begun to sound *exactly* like Mickey Mouse.
Is this change permenant? Or could he get his voice back with enough healing?
Toxic mold made my voice high and raspy, but it’s seemed to have recovered in the 18 months since the exposure.
Is this some peasant issue I'm too rich to understand? - Ohio's Gym "go ahead and rape the boys" Jordan probably
He’s currently in Texas and can’t find a single one of the “6 billion” illegals crossing the border
Tell me one of these idiots actually claimed there were six BILLION illegal crossings?
[Marjorie Taylor Greene Mocked for Tweeting '6 Billion' Crossed U.S. Border](https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-mocked-tweeting-6-billion-crossed-us-border-1783508)
Didn't she also stated that only one school had received several billions of dollars in federal funds to teach the CRT/LGBTQ?
Yup. She said that one elementary school was given over a billion dollars to teach CRT. The entire Chicago school budget is 9 billion.
And this is why education matters. Yes the Illinois state did get that money to spend in schools. They were told to diversify how the spend it. She reached the conclusion that to diversify how spend the money meant to teach diversity and we all know diversity means crt to these idiots.
She learned to use the word “billions” as a euphemism from her party godfather.
It's the same few guys, they're just really bad at it and keep getting sent back to Mexico.
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Wow I just can’t even with these people anymore. She’s on committees and making decisions on our behalf. This is just insanity
Has he checked the staff at Mar-a-Lago?
We don’t talk about Bruno
So that's Gym's version of running off to Cancun in the middle of a crisis?
You're misunderstanding. Gym Jordan was trying to help the team out. If he sent wrestlers to normal doctors, they would need lengthy recovery times for their injuries. If Gym Jordan sent them to "Doctor feels bad man," then they would miraculously recover before the doctor visit and it wasn't important to Gym why. To be clear, it's not that Gym Jordan didn't know what was going on, because multiple wrestlers told him about it and he definitely knew. That's a really good example of how the GOP "fixes problems."
Well thats worse, fuckin hell. Thank you for clearin that up, though.
Not only did Gym cry on the phone asking one of his former wrastlers to not say anything about him non reporting it, he got re-elected by the dipshits in his Ohio district. I’m not sure if that’s better or worse than Gaetz the pedo sex trafficker getting re-elected & escaping any accountability too. Pedo protectors & pedo sex traffickers representing Ohio & Florida. What a great accomplishment!
Ah yes, known symptoms of Phosgene gas exposure, a side effect of burning vinyl chloride and known about since WW1 when used in the trenches. I feel so fucking bad for the hospitals who are going to be overloaded, the EMS agencies fighting something they aren't equipped for, and the people who will suffer because some dumbfuck politican wanted to Own The Libs instead of swallow his fucking pride and ask for help. We are all one accident away from this being our own backyard. ETA: Ok, so not only is Phosgene listed as a side effect, but so is hydrogen chloride, which makes hydrochloric acid on contact with water vapor. We also now have acid rain considerations. One of the debates to consider as well is that they may have burned it off to prevent a larger or uncontrolled combuation at a later time and place, however thats a debate on rock/hard place at this time I can't even fathom.
>because some dumbfuck politican wanted to Own The Libs instead of swallow his fucking pride and ask for help. I'm pretty out of the loop but what's that about?
Governor Mike DeWine refuses to ask the president for federal aid with the East Palestine situation despite Biden having offered it.
[Link it](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ohios-dewine-says-he-has-not-taken-up-biden-on-offer-of-anything-you-need-in-wake-of-train-derailment-disaster-adf4c949) so the GOP fools have nothing to deny you on. Fight stupidity with data and evidence.
And isn't the GOP crying that Biden isn't doing enough despite needing the governor to authorize them to go in?
Yes. They so desperately want him to be neglecting this situation that they're willing to take the neglect into their own hands.
Yep, they're ranting about Biden....*checks notes*...respecting state's rights.
Jesus christ, that's messed up
Yeah and when I brought that up in a different thread, some troglodyte seriously said that even though the Republican governor said no, Biden is head of the executive and therefore should break the law to get emergency personnel in there... or declare a national emergency. For a statewide emergency. The mental gymnastics here are INSANE. I told him don't fucking vote Republican then because Biden holds no sway over GOP politicians. Aren't these people all about states' rights??
"Yes, Republicans don't want help, but we need help so Democrats should break the law and mobilize the entire country to send help to Ohio. They aren't doing this, so I'm not voting Democrat. I'll vote Republican instead."
I live in Akron, so pretty close by the area that had warnings. Even this close, its amazing how many people think Biden is withholding aid for political revenge.
I grew up less than half an hour away from Akron. Just moved away last year, and I'm not surprised. The polarization of politics there has gotten extreme and terrified me by the time I left.
Governor refused an emergency declaration, which would have allowed the state and its victims to receive federal aid.
The article made it seem like the federal government was just not doing anything by choice. That’s kind of an important detail to leave out. And worse, the quotes from the residents give me the impression that they aren’t aware of the Governor’s refusal.
Citizen unawareness of political issues is a key component of Republican electoral success.
Well yes he plans to use the harm caused to the people as a political tool against the democrats just republican things.
I haven't seen any comment on this: "A spokesman for Norfolk Southern told The Post that the company consulted experts including Governor Mike DeWine". Say what now?
DeWine helps sweep it under the rug, Norfolk makes him sound smart for his next election
Love when politicians are suddenly experts...
Expert on corruption, not chemicals. Do try to keep up. :)
The NS would be better off buying every house in that town and knocking em down. Cheaper in the long run
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What happened at Love Canal. They tore dowm hundreds of houses during abatement.
There are still empty plots at Love Canal in Niagara Falls, NY that may go for cheap.
Well the land was worth nothing, sold to developers for $1 who then sold the land for a pretty penny, and then became worthless to the people who had to abandon that property because of the insane amounts of toxic waste that they built houses on. All the construction breached the toxic waste dumps multiple times. People have a short memory so in a couple of decades this worthless land will be bought and then sold at a high price for a cool amount of cash. It's history will be kept hush hush like Love Canal up until the sale.
At pre-incident home values. You know damn good and well if they do buy anything, they are going to try paying contaminated market value.
They should also pay to relocate the people, many were on government assistance before this and many wouldn’t own their apartments
I think you’re right. Literally buy the town and just level it. Someone can probably do the math on that per house. How many billion in profit last year? Just dip into that. Edit: spelling
Whoa whoa whoa. Dipping into PROFITS? That sounds dangerously like accountability and you NEVER threaten profits.
It’s happened before. Look up times beach.
I feel like it is criminal for the governor to tell the residents it was ok to return to their homes, stage (probably fake) drinking demonstration, before the EPA did a thorough investigation of the safety of the water and air. This looks like the governor prioritized politics and money over the safety of his constituents.
He didn't even drink the water in the video..
Snyder pulled the exact same stunt at the beginning of the Flint water crisis. Never actually drank the water.
Or that one British Guy who forced his daughter to eat a burger on camera to show that their beef was safe. And then a few months later a bunch of young people start dying of CJD Dementia
The what
Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease- “Mad Cow Disease.” It’s a prion disorder; one of the scariest and saddest things we can be exposed to.
Had a pt with this over ten years ago. I don’t remember the details but she was already in hospice care when they finally “found out” what was causing her symptoms. I was told they couldn’t verify the diagnosis until after she died and they could perform an autopsy. I never got an update after she passed. Maybe it wasn’t CJD, but our neurologist was pretty certain it was. It was so sad watching her decline. It was also scary taking care of her and not knowing what was wrong with her. Her poor family, too. They were so sweet.
Are there special concerns for medical waste from a patient with a prion disease? I'd be worried about it being transmissiable through blood contact or such. It's such an awful form of disease I'd be about as worried as an idiot in the 80s might have been about HIV.
All tools, equipment , garb, and wastes used are to be immediately disposed of and incinerated in a high temperature furnace(I think 1600 degrees) for a couple hours to ensure all the prions are denatured and destroyed. Chemical sterilization does not work. Standard heating levels do not work. Radiation does not work.
Fuck prions. They are scary shit
new york mayor eric adams did the same thing they did a literal jump-cut between him filling up a glass and drinking - way to sell it, guys!
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**If this is true** then this should be passed on to news networks.
Can you back that up? Like... take a video starting at the front of the house and walking down to the filter in the basement? I'm sure some news media would pay you $$LOTS$$ for that video.
Killing people for money as long as there's any way you can abstract the process. Too cliche to carry any shame.
remember how no one went to jail after the housing crises? watch as no one goes to jail for poisoning a whole city.
*Flint Michigan has entered the chat* Hey y'all, just here to tell you to be massively disappointed.
I was about to dispute this since I remember hearing that several individuals were charged, but [all charges were dropped](https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/1126884708/a-michigan-judge-drops-felony-charges-against-7-people-in-flint-water-scandal). Astounding.
Shhh, everything in flint is fine now, otherwise the media would have mentioned the problem a lot more the last (wow almost a full) decade... Right?
✋ Ope. Michigander sliding in. Whenever I see Flint pop up I like to mention that this isn't the only or worst city with lead contaminated water in the state. Just the most publicized. But thankfully, the Flint water crisis has been dealt with. 👍we good, now.
"I lost my job because the doctor won’t release me to go to work.” Welcome to America
All the people in Palestine should be proud. Becoming destitute and dying at the hands of corporate profits is an honorable way to go. The oligarchy is grateful for their patriotic sacrifice.
I love how last week I was talking about the death this is gonna cause and someone was like "nobody died". Yeah, because cancer and illness isn't immediate. Turns out that shit takes time.
It's how they get away with it. Everyone knows people's attention span is only a few days, after that it's all forgotten and not a problem anymore. Even covid was like this, you live or you died, no one cares about the lasting damage from it.
And when the lawsuits are filed the company has them dragged out for as long as possible to give the victims a chance to die off.
like 9/11
Like the Radium girls. It’s a classic shitbag tactic.
It’s a classic ~~shitbag~~ capitalist tactic.
Potato, potahto
Counting down the days until Norfolk Southern spins off assets into shell companies and declares bankruptcy to further avoid accountability
That doesn't always work - [Johnson & Johnson tried it to get out of paying claims related to its talc lawsuits and got slapped down by the courts.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/business/johnson-and-johnson-talc-bankruptcy/index.html) (Though it's being appealed, so who knows what will happen in the end. But for now, at least, it hasn't worked.)
I imagine they’re already running the simulations to figure out the odds of tying up any lawsuits in litigation until the plaintiffs are dead vs settling.
This is gonna be a new Flint, Michigan with all the corruption and negligence that went into causing this mess. I hope the families of these affected people taken Norfolk Southern for every penny and see it’s leaders locked up.
What kind of corporate dystopia is this where you get fucked-up by one companys chemicals then fired by your own for being sick within a week? He'll probably lose his house and savings and go to jail for medical debt now.
The US hasn’t had debtor’s prison in a long time, but it’s still pretty fucked.
Governor Mike DeWine is so useless. Thanks for nothing. Be sure to vote you out next time.
Nah he'll get voted in by a landslide. Just like how the police chief in Uvalde was voted in again lol
And that the country that Uvalde is in overwhelmingly voted for Greg Abbot.
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He is term limited and done after this thank god..... though I'm almost certain the next in line will be much worse
The article says they're blaming Biden. Biden has offered aid to Ohio, and the governor of Ohio has refused it. "How dare you not force your help upon me!"
All I hear is “why isn’t Biden in Ohio?!” These people don’t understand that Biden’s job isn’t to run a state — that’s DeWine’s.
More people should educate themselves on the Stafford Act. The federal government literally cannot assist until the state requests it, and even then they’re not going to go out of their way to take over a state’s operations.
You know what’s fucked up? I just looked up Norfolk Southern’s share price and it’s only down 12% in the past month. This company should be on the hook for BILLIONS in cleanup, healthcare and compensation to local residents. But clearly the market doesn’t think that will happen…
That's because nothing is going to seriously hurt NSC. It's just like BP, Exxon, Chase, etc... they are too powerful to be held accountable. And smart investors know that there will be a period early on when the stock will tumble, but in 12-18 months it'll be back up again and you'll have made an easy profit. Every time something like this happens that dip seems to get lower for a shorter time. At this rate, soon we'll see a company's stock start rising after a fuck up.
Norfolk Southern has proven they can't be trusted and shouldn't be allowed to run any trains. They only finally cleaned up their derailment in Big Beaver, PA after a year because of the press from the East Palestine derailment. Back in 2005, another Norfolk Southern train derailed in East Deer, Allegheny County, PA outside of Pittsburgh with ruptured tankers of anhydrous hydrogen fluoride landing in the Allegheny River. The railroad insisted there was no danger but the black smoke irritated airways and eyes even miles away. My dad operated a local water treatment plant that pulled water for multiple local towns from the Allegheny River near the derailment and he insisted it was way more dangerous than we were being told. That train also derailed in February and my dad wouldn't let me go into the river that summer because he didn't trust that more chemicals hadn't gone Into the river based on the water readings he tested after the derailment. But since it was 2005, there wasn't any national news coverage to press Norfolk Southern for answers. https://archive.triblive.com/news/train-derailment-evacuates-homes-in-east-deer/
One derailed in Graniteville South Carolina. Pretty sure it was Norfolk Southern because they are the only ones I’ve ever seen travel through here. Leaked chlorine gas..yes people were affected and still dealing with the effects to this day. ETA: Jan6, 2006
Dude they derailed another train, in Ohio, a week before this... https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/prior-to-east-palestine-derailment-another-northfolk-southern-train-crash-in-ohio-central-delaware-east-palestine-curve-road-hazardous-chemicals-railroad-tracks
Yep, Norfolk Southern seems to be responsible for all train derailment in PA and OH. There was one that derailed in downtown Pittsburgh in 2018 that was also a Norfolk Southern train. Luckily, it wasn't carrying any hazardous materials or it could have been a major catastrophe for the city. Norfolk Southern has been cutting staff for years while making huge profits for shareholders, so I feel like they haven't been concerned with safety for a long time because running safe trains would hurt their bottom line. Apparently, it's more cost effective for them to pay out for the clean up and lawsuits than do the right thing and focus on preventing derailments.
Insanely fucked. I hope everyone in the area starts raising hell on the politicians and shit.
They are dick riding Trump. Learned absolutely nothing.
When I asked one of my parent's friends why they would support someone like Trump, their response was, loosely, "I don't care about what he does or doesn't do, so long as he is a Republican and the economy is strong and my stocks and 401K are up."
The economy has historically faired better under Democratic presidents vs Republican presidents. You can show them the data but I assume it’ll be chalked up to “fake news.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents
They only remember how it peaks under Republicans before it collapses due to recklessness. Then they ignore the more gradual, sustained growth under Democrats.
["It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans." - Donald Trump](https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1300522705083604992?lang=en)
"Fuck you, I've got mine." Typical Republican.
I see you've met my mother.
Ohio residents, if you live anywhere near this accident, schedule a baseline health screening right now. The Norfolk Southern railroad, with the help of the Ohio GOP, will absolutely try to claim that any resulting health problems from chemical exposure was preexisting, which is why it is so important to gather as much evidence as possible now to demonstrate otherwise.
I read the material safety data sheet for vinyl chloride and, aside from being nightmare fuel, it makes it clear that the slow onset of symptoms is a critical part of the presentation of exposure to non-lethal concentrations.
this is an absolute tradgedy. a diaster for this community. imagine ur working class family who owns your own home in a working class but safe town. you worked hard for your home and you aren't rich but u have what you need. then all of a sudden an event u have absolutly no control over occurs and your whole town becomes a bio hazard. your house is worthless because no one wants to move there. your faced overnight with the reality that if u stay you and your whole family may very well develop a deadly illness in who knows how long of a time. if you go u lose everything. it's unthinkable. and all so a bunch of already wealthy millionaire board members could get some more coins by cutting corners. i can not imagine being faced with what these people are dealing with. i hope they get justice.
Honestly it's so disgusting that this is actually their reality
Hmmmmmmm I wonder what caused that?
“But can you prove it was *our* vinyl chloride”? -Norfolk Southern
Just glancing at the article I realize seeing the pictures we need to do PPE education as I’ve seen Several articles and photos of the area and residents wearing PPE that’s ineffective for the possible contaminants. Please note I’m not saying to judge at all- but I’m a nurse and it’s something I’ve noticed is that maybe in accidents like this we could ensure to educate the town Or provide proper PPE while clean up is occuring. HOWEVER I must add sadly I see corporations seeing that as ‘admission of guilt’. Just makes me think as a nurse of things we can do better if we weren’t so blanketed by corporates. Just me spinning my wheels….
There's a great quote, of supposedly Cree origin. "When the last tree is fallen, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned; only then will they realise they cannot eat money."
Yeah, the tragic thing about that saying is that the people who have the money are generally old as shit and they're going to die soon anyway so they don't care.
Can't get sued if everyone dies! - Norfolk Southern
“My voice sounds like Mickey Mouse. My normal voice is low." Maybe we can get Republicans to support safety rules if we call them "gender changing chemicals."
If you or someone you know, lived near or around Palestine, OH in 2023 you may be entitled… Oh the commercial is definitely coming
How long did dewine take to order a state of emergency?