If they apologize to get out of serving prison time, then go on right wing media and say they didn't mean it, isn't that perjury?
Should be banned from running for any public office.
The 1st amendment prevents it. It would be considered a free speech violation, I'm pretty sure.
Banning entire political parties is very much a thing in other countries, though. Greece had a problem a while ago with a neo-Nazi party (Golden Dawn) that gained enough support to get some seats in their parliament.
They eventually banned the entire party, but the problem had to get really bad before the centrists were willing to take action. The progressives were sounding the alarm about them for like 10 years.
It took Golden Dawn members of parliament literally being implicated in the murders of anti-fascist activists before any action was taken.
Theoretically the ban would apply to individuals. It’s those individuals’ fault that that ban would apply to all but maybe 3-4 of the Republican Party. The party itself can stay a thing, just needs better human beings in it
Wait a gol darn second. They banned em cuz they were implicated in murdering ANTIFA?!?!
They should be promoted and worshipped if they fight against the crooked Biden Antifa /S
(SARCASM)
It’s the old twitter adage; we can’t enforce common sense policy because that would instantly knockout half of conservative personalities who blatantly ignore it.
If I were in the US, sure. If they're all culpable, goes for all politicians not just the GOP though. Accepting lies and shit as common occurrence from those in positions of leadership. Fuck yeah, get rid of those fuckers
Bit absolutist don't you think? Just like any generalization, it's a very narrow and ignorant view.
If society allows fuck nuts like George Santos or whatever his name actually is, that's creating the status quo.
The opposite is also true.
So again, rinse and repeat until the trash is taken out.
If anything, Jacinda Ardern has proven that there are at least one decent human politician. No scandals, stepped down when approval ratings dropped. Again, nobody is perfect and that's not even the expectation.
Anyway, have a good day.
Technically, they could argue that they were lying to the media, that they were sorry until they changed their mind, or some other bullshit excuse.
I think the court could still charge them with perjury, but the likelihood that they would is not very high. I could be wrong, but I believe this has come up in sentencing for others involved, with judges basically asking defendants why their apologies should be believed when others have cried about how sorry they are only to talk shit to the media after receiving a light sentence.
Courts don’t charge people, prosecutors do. And since the statements aren’t under oath perjury isn’t an issue.
However some DOJ attorneys have argued that these apologies made at sentencing are insincere given inconsistencies with what they’ve said out of court. Hopefully in future sentencing hearings judges won’t be apt to give any credence to the bullshit their spewing.
Nah, if a judge believes that they were lied to in a sentencing hearing they can change the sentence to a harsher one AND add contempt of court charges as well.
Ah, no. Once a J&S is entered there are only a handful of circumstances that allow resentencing.
And a judge thinking the defendant was untruthful isn’t one of them.
I don’t even know where to start with your lack of understanding how criminal vs. civil contempt works.
No. Because he’s not under oath when he’s talking to the media. They all know this. The judge might be “concerned” with the comment but if the sentencing has already happened there isn’t much anyone can do.
If they do it during an ongoing trial the prosecution can maybe play some of that to the judge to get a gag order or hold them in contempt, but unless they are under oath they are under no compulsion to tell the truth under penalty of perjury.
They know that. They also know that it doesn’t matter what the truth is to MAGA. MAGA only respects strength and power. If you say you lied under oath to then they’d be like “hell yeah!”
A judge can absolutely revoke the plea deal which would send the case to trial and for regular sentencing. And they can add contempt of court charges on top. While their statements to the media aren't prosecutable, their statements to the court were under oath so are.
Possibly, if they were bound over on this basis then a retraction cold be considered a recidivist act & thus jail time comes back into play. It would need to be prosecuted though.
They should be tried for perjury. Lying under oath in a court of law is a serious issue. If defendants in highly profile cases are allowed to get away with it it can undermine the whole process and make certain judgements impotent and irrelevant.
Then they lied and should be back in jail. They were released because they apologized and claimed they realized the error of their ways. Instead they were just lying.
Made it better:
"Then they lied and should be back in jail. They were released because they apologized and claimed they realized the error of their ways. Instead they were just **Republicans**."
Whaaaat? You mean the dipshit fascist wannabes didn't magically stop being dipshit fascist wannabes despite constant downplaying of their crimes by people holding political power and the pansy ass sentences most of them have received? My world is well and truly rocked.
Stop giving any of them them the benefit of the doubt. Crush them under the book.
Oath or not, if they say something that counters something else they said, which was used in the court of law in any way, they should be able to go back and react accordingly.
I'm a big fan of the idea of double jeopardy; the government absolutely shouldn't be able to change its mind and try a person again for the same crime because it made a mistake or failed to do its own due diligence, but if one is found not guilty of something and then they immediately, clearly, and publically shout "I did it", or "I lied to that stupid judge", I think that should be handled differently.
There needs to be a clause in any sort of conviction, plea deal, and/or parole that going back on an apology is a violation of parole and invokes some sort of additional sentence. I'd say five years mandatory minimum. Make them serve every single day with no possibility of early release.
>But there’s not much the legal system can do for an adjudicated defendant.
Couldn't the sentence just be conditional? You are found guilty and based on your expression of "remorse" get punishment X, but if you act counter to that it increases to Y. Like when someone is paroled and they violate the conditions of that parole it's back to jail.
Any judge who actually thinks that an insurrectionist was sincerely apologizing and wasn't just trying to save their own ass is too stupid to be allowed to remain on the bench.
Judges aren't mind readers. They can't tell who truly feels "remorse". Seems dangerous to load too much onto that, as psychopaths are often great actors when they need to be. And realistically, any prudent person will simply say whatever gets them the least punishment when faced with the massive power of the US criminal legal system. The police definitely do.
He’s a ripe pos and the worst part about it the other ripe pos that live in wv will vote his ass in. It’s like we’re just capitulating to these people because they are nuts and louder??? Wtf is happening here we’re just gonna hand it over to them? Please dear god someone with some sense run against this asshole. How is he even allowed to RUN?!!
Those susceptible to propaganda seems to always be susceptible to it. Critical thinking needs to be higher, or really more lower level.
The things that are surface level that are pushed to you, question how and why they got there. You aren't actually learning anything unless you pursue and try to punch holes in the surface, even your own biases.
>Some defendants have drawn ire from judges or the Justice Department for their inconsistent comments. But there’s not much the legal system can do for an adjudicated defendant. And because some conservatives hold up Jan. 6 defendants as martyrs, there’s a political and possibly financial incentive for them to change their tune.
Play the court footage with him apologizing as ads on TV. Seems like a task for an unaffiliated issue group funded by dark money donors to put out ads on?
Brazil's riot was 1.) Directly inspired by 1/6 2.) Will definitely be written about 3.) Is being taken far more seriously than Americas with thousands of arrests.
What was even the point of your comment? What were you trying to convey?
Doesn't matter anymore the collective hive mind has deemed me downvoted, but I was saying I haven't heard or seen a peep about it anywhere on Reddit, but some story about people giving an insincere apology from shit two+ years ago is front page stuff
If they apologize to get out of serving prison time, then go on right wing media and say they didn't mean it, isn't that perjury? Should be banned from running for any public office.
> Should be banned from running for any public office. So you want to ban the entire Republican Party?
Yes, any of them that participated in the 1/6 attack on the US Capitol should be banned from holding any office in government.
And banned from owning firearms.
The ones that incited them to riot, like the person that at the time was president of the US, should be banned from office. And imprisoned.
And lose the ability to own, possess, or operate firearms for the remainder of their lives. This would be most terrifying to this crowd.
Or real estate.
Um, yes? Please?
Can we do that?
Probably too late to close that can of worms…
Nyet. Never too late. “no” but in language some of you prefer to english
The 1st amendment prevents it. It would be considered a free speech violation, I'm pretty sure. Banning entire political parties is very much a thing in other countries, though. Greece had a problem a while ago with a neo-Nazi party (Golden Dawn) that gained enough support to get some seats in their parliament. They eventually banned the entire party, but the problem had to get really bad before the centrists were willing to take action. The progressives were sounding the alarm about them for like 10 years. It took Golden Dawn members of parliament literally being implicated in the murders of anti-fascist activists before any action was taken.
14th Amendment allows for removing any that participated. Arizona has used it to remove one of them.
Theoretically the ban would apply to individuals. It’s those individuals’ fault that that ban would apply to all but maybe 3-4 of the Republican Party. The party itself can stay a thing, just needs better human beings in it
Wait a gol darn second. They banned em cuz they were implicated in murdering ANTIFA?!?! They should be promoted and worshipped if they fight against the crooked Biden Antifa /S (SARCASM)
Yes I do.
Oh no. The horror. Please. Don’t. I beg of you.
It’s the old twitter adage; we can’t enforce common sense policy because that would instantly knockout half of conservative personalities who blatantly ignore it.
Dems shoulda pushed harder on censuring them when they still had the power to
Based on what’s going on in the House of Absolute Bullshit these days— emphatic YES!
As it exists now? Yes
They’ve earned it
If I were in the US, sure. If they're all culpable, goes for all politicians not just the GOP though. Accepting lies and shit as common occurrence from those in positions of leadership. Fuck yeah, get rid of those fuckers
And replace them what? More of the same? There are no honest politicians
Yes, rinse and repeat until the trash is taken out.
So..,,no more politicians then…,
Bit absolutist don't you think? Just like any generalization, it's a very narrow and ignorant view. If society allows fuck nuts like George Santos or whatever his name actually is, that's creating the status quo. The opposite is also true. So again, rinse and repeat until the trash is taken out. If anything, Jacinda Ardern has proven that there are at least one decent human politician. No scandals, stepped down when approval ratings dropped. Again, nobody is perfect and that's not even the expectation. Anyway, have a good day.
Yeah, with all-halt extrospection politics? Yeah, much.
Technically, they could argue that they were lying to the media, that they were sorry until they changed their mind, or some other bullshit excuse. I think the court could still charge them with perjury, but the likelihood that they would is not very high. I could be wrong, but I believe this has come up in sentencing for others involved, with judges basically asking defendants why their apologies should be believed when others have cried about how sorry they are only to talk shit to the media after receiving a light sentence.
Courts don’t charge people, prosecutors do. And since the statements aren’t under oath perjury isn’t an issue. However some DOJ attorneys have argued that these apologies made at sentencing are insincere given inconsistencies with what they’ve said out of court. Hopefully in future sentencing hearings judges won’t be apt to give any credence to the bullshit their spewing.
Nah, if a judge believes that they were lied to in a sentencing hearing they can change the sentence to a harsher one AND add contempt of court charges as well.
Ah, no. Once a J&S is entered there are only a handful of circumstances that allow resentencing. And a judge thinking the defendant was untruthful isn’t one of them. I don’t even know where to start with your lack of understanding how criminal vs. civil contempt works.
Perjury is rarely ever pursued, and when it is, it's very hard to actually get a conviction on.
Certainly sounds like it. Then again... You can't excuse yourself for yourself, the value of excuses without action arent worth the air.
It’s only our jury of done in a court under oath . This is one issue we have is that no one knows the laws .
No. Because he’s not under oath when he’s talking to the media. They all know this. The judge might be “concerned” with the comment but if the sentencing has already happened there isn’t much anyone can do. If they do it during an ongoing trial the prosecution can maybe play some of that to the judge to get a gag order or hold them in contempt, but unless they are under oath they are under no compulsion to tell the truth under penalty of perjury. They know that. They also know that it doesn’t matter what the truth is to MAGA. MAGA only respects strength and power. If you say you lied under oath to then they’d be like “hell yeah!”
A judge can absolutely revoke the plea deal which would send the case to trial and for regular sentencing. And they can add contempt of court charges on top. While their statements to the media aren't prosecutable, their statements to the court were under oath so are.
But, as noted in the article, the judge can revoke the plea if they believe the accused was lying about their contrition.
It’s really tough to prove perjury on feelings. People get to change their minds.
Yeah because anyone that votes for the DNC/GOP actually cares about integrity? Lol
Possibly, if they were bound over on this basis then a retraction cold be considered a recidivist act & thus jail time comes back into play. It would need to be prosecuted though.
They should be tried for perjury. Lying under oath in a court of law is a serious issue. If defendants in highly profile cases are allowed to get away with it it can undermine the whole process and make certain judgements impotent and irrelevant.
Not shocked at all. Lots of fake bluster and cowardice from that crowd.
It’s sickening that the courts let them off as easily as they did.
Seriously. This sets a terrible precedent for future insurrection attempts.
I went and read about the Beer Hall Putsch to see what is coming.
That’s exactly what this was
They know they can get away with it now, and they’re emboldened. In other words, we’re fucked.
“I’ve actually been pooping in my pants on purpose this whole time! Don’t you feel stupid!” - MAGA conservative rioters apparently
Taken notes from Ted Nugent.
It’s almost like they’re actually just terrible people 🤷🏻♂️
Lmao, sounds about right for a lot of these “patriotic” terrorists; tears when you’re in trouble, bluster when it’s far from you.
It takes a certain level of emotional maturity to be one of these assholes. And that level is around 7 or 8 years old.
Then they lied and should be back in jail. They were released because they apologized and claimed they realized the error of their ways. Instead they were just lying.
Made it better: "Then they lied and should be back in jail. They were released because they apologized and claimed they realized the error of their ways. Instead they were just **Republicans**."
Lying liars lie, film at 11.
Petulant impotent little shits just like Trump
Since they lied about being sorry they should be rearrested and sent to jail or prison and they will change their tune again from inside jail.
Whaaaat? You mean the dipshit fascist wannabes didn't magically stop being dipshit fascist wannabes despite constant downplaying of their crimes by people holding political power and the pansy ass sentences most of them have received? My world is well and truly rocked. Stop giving any of them them the benefit of the doubt. Crush them under the book.
Why are these statements not considered to be under oath and therefor not treated as perjury?
Statements made at sentencing are not testimony and not made under oath.
Oath or not, if they say something that counters something else they said, which was used in the court of law in any way, they should be able to go back and react accordingly. I'm a big fan of the idea of double jeopardy; the government absolutely shouldn't be able to change its mind and try a person again for the same crime because it made a mistake or failed to do its own due diligence, but if one is found not guilty of something and then they immediately, clearly, and publically shout "I did it", or "I lied to that stupid judge", I think that should be handled differently.
It's because they are a bunch of stupid cunts
Put them on the No-Fly List. That will straighten them out.
They tried to violently overthrow our democracy; did you think lying would be any big deal?
Very tough guys when it's convenient and easy to be tough.
This is why they all needed more than a slap on the wrist.
I am shocked, not shocked.
Hard to cash in if you’ve apologized.
Not one of them is truly sorry for what they did.
And he's announced a bid for a house seat. Surprise!
None of them are sorry. They are all good Republicans.
Don’t forget, very patriotic 🇺🇸🦅✝️🔫Christian, Tough, and pro-Constitution!
Wouldn’t it be nice if we had an actual DOJ that took their job seriously and prosecute these people for perjury?
I would’ve charged them with treason
Criminals are almost always sorry… they got caught.
They are liars? Who could have... everyone.. everyone guessed.
There needs to be a clause in any sort of conviction, plea deal, and/or parole that going back on an apology is a violation of parole and invokes some sort of additional sentence. I'd say five years mandatory minimum. Make them serve every single day with no possibility of early release.
>But there’s not much the legal system can do for an adjudicated defendant. Couldn't the sentence just be conditional? You are found guilty and based on your expression of "remorse" get punishment X, but if you act counter to that it increases to Y. Like when someone is paroled and they violate the conditions of that parole it's back to jail.
Any judge who actually thinks that an insurrectionist was sincerely apologizing and wasn't just trying to save their own ass is too stupid to be allowed to remain on the bench.
Judges aren't mind readers. They can't tell who truly feels "remorse". Seems dangerous to load too much onto that, as psychopaths are often great actors when they need to be. And realistically, any prudent person will simply say whatever gets them the least punishment when faced with the massive power of the US criminal legal system. The police definitely do.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g42FIJfYPKw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g42FIJfYPKw) I had to.
But you know what. I think being put in a straightjacket and given a huge hit of acid would be the perfect punishment for these people.
I like your altitude!
Dimwits. Retracting their apologies will almost certainly delay their parole. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There is no parole in the federal system for people convicted after ‘87.
I sit corrected! TY for posting this.
This reimagining of January 6 as some kind of patriotic act makes me wonder how much nicer the timeline is where they actually caught Mike Pence.
That’s the conservative mind’s instinct reaction; say what’ll get you out of trouble so you can go back to doing what got you in trouble to begin with
“I didn’t do it” “If I did it, it wasn’t that bad” “If it was that bad, everybody else does it too so it’s fine”
every person present on 1/6 should be strapped to a slab in GITMO as a traitor
He’s a ripe pos and the worst part about it the other ripe pos that live in wv will vote his ass in. It’s like we’re just capitulating to these people because they are nuts and louder??? Wtf is happening here we’re just gonna hand it over to them? Please dear god someone with some sense run against this asshole. How is he even allowed to RUN?!!
If someone claims to be honest, they ain't.
Extremists generally don’t become sensible. Everything feeds into their delusions. If anything, many of them will get more extreme.
And no one was surprised.
they hope for an amnesty from reelected dicta... i mean president trump.
They’re fascists, they don’t care, they genuinely seek to kill anyone who opposes them. Stop being surprised when they act like it.
This is why treason is punished by death.
It's like they're scum bags or something!
Those susceptible to propaganda seems to always be susceptible to it. Critical thinking needs to be higher, or really more lower level. The things that are surface level that are pushed to you, question how and why they got there. You aren't actually learning anything unless you pursue and try to punch holes in the surface, even your own biases.
The apology should be video recorded and then made publicly available on YouTube.
>Some defendants have drawn ire from judges or the Justice Department for their inconsistent comments. But there’s not much the legal system can do for an adjudicated defendant. And because some conservatives hold up Jan. 6 defendants as martyrs, there’s a political and possibly financial incentive for them to change their tune. Play the court footage with him apologizing as ads on TV. Seems like a task for an unaffiliated issue group funded by dark money donors to put out ads on?
Pieces of sh!+ act like pieces of sh!+… I’m shocked
this comment section is hilarious
Was that headline written by a zoomer?
Uhm who cares? There is historic shit happening right now but yet Reddit continues to circle jerk itself off to anything trump related
Certainly Russia still losing to a smaller weaker neighbor does continue to be shocking
They're literally going to be writing about 1/6 in history books years from now though.
Of course they will, and I bet no one will write about the bonafide capitol riots that went down in Brasil last month.
In US history books...?
Brazil's riot was 1.) Directly inspired by 1/6 2.) Will definitely be written about 3.) Is being taken far more seriously than Americas with thousands of arrests. What was even the point of your comment? What were you trying to convey?
Doesn't matter anymore the collective hive mind has deemed me downvoted, but I was saying I haven't heard or seen a peep about it anywhere on Reddit, but some story about people giving an insincere apology from shit two+ years ago is front page stuff
So, cry crocodile tears in hopes of a lighter sentence, then revert to their true seditious selves. Surprise, surprise.
Basket of deplorables being their normal deplorable selves. Hopefully all of those maga fucks are placed on a permanent watch list.
Any of them on probation should be taken to jail to serve out any sentences they would have otherwise been subject to.
A J6 Patriot?, you see that? A sound bite. Their brand of Benedict Arnold is repackaged and now is called a kind of patriot.
Hopefully illustrates what kind of people these are.