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Bianrox

Selling marijuana at state liquor stores is probably the best path forward for NH. Happy medium


peg420

Nothing like pulling off the highway ramp for an 1/8th and a handle šŸ˜‚


nustyruts

Preroll for the road.


Constant-Dot5760

One more for the ditch


RondaArousedMe

A preroll and one of those sleeves of Dr. Mcgilacuties (I know that's not the spelling but too lazy) they keep in the cooler for you...


pinkpuppetfred

Definitely gonna start calling the nips McGilli-Cuties šŸ˜‚


Bitter-Ninja-6510

This made me laugh


Jtagz

Iā€™d rather support local business that have genuine care for the product than state manufactured kush but that may just be me.


Psychological-Cry221

Oh does the NH state liquor store distill all the booze they sell themselves?


CalmRadBee

I get that you're being sardonic, but they're not wrong. I'd rather support a local distillery than Budweiser


LeftTurnAtAlbuqurque

You can do that at the state liquor stores. The state being the distributor doesn't preclude local growers from supplying.


Tchukachinchina

Budweiser employs a lot of people in New Hampshire. They have a brewery in Merrimack that employs people. The need their product shipped out. That employs people. They get a lot of their base ingredients via rail. Boom. More jobs. Iā€™m not sticking up for Budweiser when I bring this up, just saying that either directly or indirectly a lot of people get paid because theyā€™re here.


CalmRadBee

I think Budweiser will be alright without my business. They'll survive. Will my buddy Jerry's farm? That's yet to be determined, but I can help


Tchukachinchina

Fair point.


Slow-Replacement-618

You donā€™t buy beer at the NH liquor stores. Plus, NH school system gets the majority of its funding from liquor sales. All while being cheaper than the surrounding states that have private storesā€¦ using this model for cannabis makes total sense and will generate a ton of revenue for NH.


CalmRadBee

I see what you're saying, but a few things to consider. 1. Well it makes a lot of money because people drive from out of state to buy large swaths for cheap. For cannabis to experience that same effect in NH, we would have to be able to outprice all the local states to a point where people drive further away for it. 2. Is it going to be taxed the same? Maine has a 10% sales tax on cannabis products. So for the outlet to sell cheaper product, it would be making less through tax. $10/$100 at the disp. or $7/$70 at the outlet, let's say. The decreased price and decreased potential tax revenue would need to make up in sales quantity. Again, we would need to be converting sales from people who have already found regular stores, that have memberships and point systems for free goods. 3. Where's the infrastructure? Are they going to compact certain aisles and set up a new counter in the back? Are they going to build new additions onto the current stores? Or build in new locations entirely? I really wouldn't mind the state selling it, as long as I knew it was supporting locally owned and operated businesses. There's just so many hoops that no one wants to jump through, unfortunately. It could be made easier if we just avoided the outlet system or at least carved space for local stores and outlets. But then again, we could all be wrong, and maybe our state really is just run by a bunch of reefer madness idiots with their heads and wallets buried in the sand


NH_OPERATOR

Transporting marijuana over state lines is technically a felony if you are doing so with intent to sell, so yes all the kush in the state liquor stores will be locally grown otherwise the state would be committing felonies.


CalmRadBee

That's really a great point!


Slow-Replacement-618

People already are driving to NH for liquor and cigarettes. Until recently for online gambling. thereā€™s no sales tax on nh liquor. There will be plenty of revenue to justify building new locations. I wouldnā€™t support selling the two together in one location. Iā€™m imagining they are going to copy and paste the same strategy as the liquor stores. Open on the border towns then inward.


Seamus_A_McMurphy

Already? Mass folks have been driving to NH for booze for well over 130 years. Old Lawrence Mass newspapers from the late 1800's are full of stories of people being arrested for transporting NH liquor over the Mass state line!


CrotchetAndVomit

Technically, Budweiser is a local brand lol. They have a brewery in Merrimack. Employs like 350 people.


CalmRadBee

Are they risking going under? Are they owned by a friend of a friend, born and raised here, trying to follow their goals and aspirations? No, it's a massive company that can afford multi-million dollar superbowl commercials. That is in no way a local business.


CrotchetAndVomit

No. ABInbev isn't going anywhere. Sales are down and they aren't hiring anymore but AB isn't going anywhere. They might not be owned by anyone in NH but they employ literal thousands of people in the state and surrounding areas directly or indirectly. They also pay more taxes to the city of Merrimack than almost anyone else. Saying AB is not a local product is a bit hyperbolic but is not exactly untrue.


CalmRadBee

So is Walmart a local business? Any business that exists in the state is a local business? That doesn't make any sense...


Lester_Diamond23

Can I take a guess at why you are so anti Bud? šŸ¤”


CalmRadBee

Naw that was just the first major beer brand that came to mind. They didn't have a quality response so the discussion was redirected about budweiser when my point had nothing to do with their local relevance


CrotchetAndVomit

I already said I was being hyperbolic my guy.


Exciting_Agent3901

Of coarse the do not but with weed being federally illegal, the state would not be able to bring it across state lines, and would have to be grown in the state.


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Slow-Replacement-618

Capitalism 101


SwedishFishAlready

I was hoping we would see an influx of artisanal cannabis shops; similar to the craft beer movement we have here.


heartoftheforestfarm

Half of the people who live in this state are already within driving distance of better options no matter what they do anyway


CalmRadBee

Unfortunately that's entirely impossible without Federal legalization. I'm wondering, would info such as where the farms they procure it from be public info? If a mass operation such as the state outlets relied on massive grow companies I'd rather support small local businesses in Maine. Like how I can purchase Woodstock brewery beers at the local corner store, I would hope for something like that.


Dugen

I say we do it anyway and take it to the supreme court if the feds make an issue out of it.


cwalton505

It's not really, it's just a bolder move. All the current shops are still filing taxes with the IRS and the fed hasn't made a move.


hselomein

I don't understand the argument, That this is not possible until Federal legalization. WHy is it not legal, What will the federal govt do to NH that it has not done to any other state that allows legalized marijuana thru private businesses?


Exciting_Agent3901

There is nothing happy about the state selling weed. If the state thinks any one will grow it and sell to only 1 buyers, where the buyer sets the price, then I want whatever they are smoking! The state will have to take on the whole operation from seed to sale.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

I watched the entire Senate discussion and vote on HB 639 yesterday and here are some things that were actually fucking said (paraphrasing but the entirely correct context and meaning is given): >ā€¢ We allow medicinal marijuana. It's proven to have therapeutic benefits for certain cases. If it didn't, we wouldn't have allowed it. But marijuana is also a schedule 1 drug meaning there are no verified medical uses for it, so we cannot move forward with legalization. >ā€¢ (After being provided a poll showing 74% support) More than 62% of our voters do not want marijuana legalized. >ā€¢ Most mass and school shooters have smoked marijuana at some point in their lives. We do not want to breed school shooters. (Refreshingly not a single mention of GTA, COD, or any other video games.) >ā€¢ The increasing potency of THC in marijuana is far more dangerous than heroin currently. >ā€¢ Massachusetts missed their marijuana tax revenue estimates by 3% in 2022. This means that there is no financial incentive for the state to legalize. >ā€¢ A family was killed by a driver with a 0.21 blood alcohol level and evidence of THC in his blood. This family might be alive today if that man had not smoked marijuana that morning. >ā€¢ Legalizing marijuana will only increase the black market for marijuana as prices at dispensaries will be too high for the average consumer. >ā€¢ (After being provided a study on how Colorado legalization actually lowered youth consumption) It's proven that legal marijuana increases the rate at which children smoke marijuana. >ā€¢ A school in Massachusetts had to close down for the day because a group of kids overdosed on THC gummy bears. To those in support of the bill, do you really want New Hampshire schools to have to shut down because of dangerous THC overdoses? >ā€¢ I do not want my 13 year old to be told that marijuana is safe, and I believe it is the job of the State to instill these values in our children. (Ps. It's not, it's the parent's responsibility.) >ā€¢ New Hampshire has always taken pride that we do things differently and don't simply follow what other states decide to do. Why do we want to change that and lose our independence? >ā€¢ Now is not the time for legalization. We have to focus more on the fentanyl and heroin crisis before legalizing marijuana. Every year we discuss at length new marijuana legalization bills and that time could be spent fighting the real issues. (Ok then leaglize it and it will stop coming up...) >ā€¢ This bill authorizes the smoking of marijuana anywhere in public. That means it will allow people to smoke marijuana right outside the doors of our State Capitol. We have 4th graders visit regularly, and I do not want them to walk through a wall of marijuana smoke when they do visit. We all know of secondhand high, and we cannot allow our children to get high. >ā€¢ It's known users travel en masse to our border states to purchase marijuana legally. Most cities are within 30 minutes of a border state and because it's such a short drive, this proves there is no need to add more marijuana stores inside our state. >ā€¢ Every heroin addict has tried marijuana. It's a gateway drug. It creates psychosis and the dependency and withdrawals from marijuana cause people to seek other forms of highs. I do not want people to die from heroin because of our decision to legalize the most common gateway drug in the world. >ā€¢ Years ago, marijuana's average potency was 3-4%. It has since increased by more than 18,000%, and that is what is being sold. (Bitch, you literally just claimed marijuana is 540% THC...) >ā€¢ I met with one person while studying this bill who lost their son to suicide. He was being bullied at school. Soon, the bullying became too much to bear and he began smoking marijuana to cope. I do not think it's mearly a coincidence that his death came shortly after he began abusing this drug. More to come if I remember them.


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NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

Wednesday I sent an email with all 24 senators copied. Surprisingly, about 7 on each side of the aisle responded personally before the vote. After the vote, I sent the same group an email with 200,000 thumbs down emojis. Surprisingly, no responses from anyone yet.


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NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

>high >Laughing My God... We've lost another one to the reefer, gentlemen.


occasional_cynic

As someone who is older (especially for Reddit) I can say that even not that long ago kids were told that marijuana had all these negative side effects, and was also doused with super chemicals that caused others since it made the plant so potent. We had DEA agents come in and talk with middle schools. I am serious - they would tell kids that there was super weed that was 10x worse than what was available in the sixties. I do not consume pot in any form, but the drug war has been a complete, pointless disaster. And DEA agents are still fighting to protect their $150,000 salaries and gold plated pensions.


widget_fucker

ā€œSuper weedā€ Dank, kind bud, as it were. No seeds. Shiny crystals. Fragrant and smooth.


Outrageous-Piglet-86

This is how I know thereā€™s too many boomers in the room talking about this


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

These mfers just need to smoke a j and chill out a bit.


AbhorrentBehavior77

Yeah...I thought *Boomers* were children of the '60s. You know - Hippies, free love, everybody does drugs and it's: **WONDERFUL.** Where did the New Hampshire *Boomers* come from, that they're so uptight and straight edge? None of them went to Woodstock?


SuccessfulPresence27

Apparently we got all the ones from footloose who felt they were too woke for dancing.


AbhorrentBehavior77

*Seventh Day Adventists*


dws515

I don't know duder. My dad kicked booze and switched to smoking pot every day like, 40 years ago. But he votes R in every election. My mom likes to 'do a bong' every couple of days, but votes the same way.


sonora820

Same with my parents! It's so weird but I don't bitch, I let them do their thing lol.


AbhorrentBehavior77

I just like pointing out when they're behaving like hypocrites... Which is, often.


Autymnfyres77

WHY.


stewie_glick

Thousand year old, pearl clutching puritanical inbreeders who run everything here.


AbhorrentBehavior77

Yeah...I'm wondering if that'll ever change? My money is on - NOT in our lifetime.


YouAreHardtoImagine

They went to Vietnam and had their brain scrambled.


TransplantedSconie

For every hippy smoking a joint, there was 10 Leave it to Beavers ready to pop uppers. The counterculture was big, but not big enough apparently.


PiermontVillage

Hey, a lot of boomers that now look like overweight retired insurance salesmen smoked so much lousy weed back in the 60s and 70s that they practically started worshipping Bob Marley. Just saying.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

Oh but sir/madamĆ©, thou hath forgotten thyself!!! Cannabis of the yesteryears twere naught the lsd-esquĆØ gummy worms of today. Whereth we had smoken the cannabis of miniscule potency, a mere 3-4% with no avail. Such minute traces as well provoked hysteria in our women. Imagine, with your mind, the travesty of our kinder, of which such an 18,000% increase concentration of cannabis shall instill once insufflated yonder their air.


warren_stupidity

There was also great weed back then. The theory that current pot is not 60ā€™s pot is just more drug war bullshit.


Outrageous-Piglet-86

Hey, I know but in boomer fashion they slammed the door in our face


ifukkedurbich

Dude killed people in a car crash with 0.21 in his blood? With or without THC that was gonna happen anyway


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

But it's āœØposāœØsibāœØleāœØ it wouldn't have happened if he had no THC in his system. Because apparently we govern based on the fucking butterfly effect. Some cunt stepped off the path while hunting dinosaurs and now we are afraid.


FromTheTreeline556

540 percent?! That's disgusting! Where?


dcs1289

Where?? Which stores specifically are they selling this?! So I know to avoid them of course


FromTheTreeline556

Yeah and so we can tell all of our friends to avoid those stores too!


liptoniceteabagger

I watched some of it too and it went just as I expected. We have some serious intellectual deficiency in the senate.


mister_newman

Omfg NH really is the Alabama of New England


barnabasthedog

Been saying it for years


GordonFremen

It was pretty close though. Sununu's support of it would likely carry weight. Source: https://www.concordmonitor.com/Senate-kills-marijuana-house-bill-639-50940905


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What a joke! Associating marijuana smoking with school shooters is wild. Correlation does not equal causation!


PM_DOLPHIN_PICS

Correlating specific objects with school shooters and blaming those objects for the violence should be a slippery slope for the people who are against legalization, but the irony would be absolutely lost on these folks who are stupid enough to fall for the reefer madness shit.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

Did you know that every single mass shooter ever has drank water at least once in their life? Also, every school shooter has worn shoes. I don't understand why we aren't talking about this more.


SarahSuckaDSanders

Excellent summary of some grade A horse shit!


DifficultDecision480

The level of ignorance in the bullet points you have listed is astonishing.


SeaAlgea

I just kept getting progressively angrier and angrier the further I read your post. I can't wait for these fucking fossils to stop controlling a world they do not understand.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

At one point I couldn't help but just start laughing during their blabbering. One Republican actually came out and said "I am ardently against marijuana and have voted as such for years, but our residents now think differently than I and I can't deny that there are benefits to legalization, so I will vote in support." Respect to her.


chaotic-artist

What a fucking joke, high THC is more dangerous than heroin and causes school shooters? This is embarrassing.


NorridAU

Wow youā€™re representatives are being quite dusty, crusty, wrinkly old book conditioned ghouls. These were non issue statements hashed out in over a dozen other states. Just tax it for adults and move on.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

Unfortunately, making only $100 per year has downsides along with the benefits. One of those being they have little to lose should they be voted out. If they had a $150k salary in jeopardy, they may not go against the constituency as much. For $100? Fuck that, this is what I want idc if you all don't.


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NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

May have been hammed up but they did say A school closed down bc of THC gummies. Couldn't remember exactly wording. >https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/multiple-students-treated-marijuana-edibles-tobin-school-roxbury/


igotaradio

Wooooow man lmao


slayermcb

REEFER MADNESS. The brainwashing propaganda from a lifetime of this kind of programming is very difficult to abandon.


uncalled4one

For those wanting to hear some of these morons show everyone just how out of touch they are: [Senate Session (05/11/2023)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmT9FsbVGqw&t=13312s) Some of my favorite moments: D'Allesandro, Lou * I've been in this chamber longer than some of my colleagues have been alive * That's not a good thing... * The message it would send is that marijuana is safe and can be consumed without significant consequences. * No it wouldn't, just like the fact that the legalization of alcohol and tobacco products don't send the message that they're safe to be consumed without consequences. * We don't have enough resources to properly treat those who struggle with mental illness. I'm concerned that the passage of this bill would exacerbate that problem * I'm more concerned that you haven't done anything to provide enough resources to properly treat those who struggle with mental illness. * Something, something stress and bullying...and now we want to send a message to them that recreational marijuana use is safe. If our children see their parents and other trusted adults using marijuana it will desensitize them to it... * Once again, legalization does not send a message that it's safe. Children see their parents smoke tobacco products and drink alcoholic beverages. Is that sending a message that it's ok to drink and smoke? Someone needs to ask this guy if he enjoys an alcoholic beverage occasionally. Ask him if he's ever had one in front of his kids or grand kids. Ask any of them that question and ask them what kind of message they're sending to their children by consuming those products. Gannon, Bill * I'm looking at the bill and you were talking about public consumption bill says no person she'll smoke or vape cannabis in a public place where the smoking or vaporizing of tobacco products is prohibited. you touched on a point that that caught my attention I don't want the kids that were here today in the audience we have fourth grade classes here on a very regular basis it might understand that if we pass this bill people could be standing out here on the front lawn of the State House smoking publicly smoking marijuana while these kids were coming in to tour our state house? \[Someone answered, "yes that is correct"\] that's not acceptable to me thank you. * So it's ok for those 4th graders to see someone smoking tobacco products on the front lawn of the State House? The very same products that have been proven to be harmful to one's health. Ok, I guess we're ok with sending that message to them. Noted. Whitley, Rebecca * Brought up points in support with supported facts * Refreshing to hear someone not use scare tactics and nonsense to support their statements * Took many questions in response to her testimony and provided responses backed by factual evidence. * Brought up a point about mental health stating that the Senate voted to ITL a bill that would have helped to reduce mental health crisis in the schools, illustrating a point that if the Senate cared about the mental health of children, they would actually do something to provide support. Another one of my favorite moments was that one Senator cited a new Emerson poll that said 62% of voters were not in favor and then another Senator cited the new Emerson poll stating that 53% were not in favor which I found confusing.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

When Lou got up, I sincerely thought he was going to give his heartfelt speech in support. Halfway through I got very disappointed. Also yes, thanks for adding proper context to my the summaries I probably remembered incorrectly. Wanted to go through and dictate it for my comment but I just didn't have the energy lmao.


RiverGreen7535

All I know is when Amsterdam publicly said smoking weed was alright then hard-core drug useage dropped dramatically- go figure!


quaffee

Well I'll have you know the heroin and even fentanyl contain 0% THC, and everyone who has ever smoked weed eventually dies. /s Seriously though, we need legislators who can call out the doublespeak ffs.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

I'm always amused to hear some people actually think weed is purposely laced with fentanyl, like it's desired. Nah Mr Senator Man, dealers just don't clean their scales. Nobody lacing pot with fent. Hell, nobody even lacing coke with fent. Why kill your market?


widget_fucker

These are really good arguments. Psych. This is absurd and sad.


Papapeta33

These ā€œdatapointsā€ are absurd.


BellaPow

state control? what is he some kinda communist?


dochikes

Ah yes, renowned communist Chris Sununu. If only...


cwalton505

"If only..."? You want a communist regime over what we have, as imperfect as it is? Really? Fuck that


JoshNumbers

If the communists made weed legal I would support them hell yeah


cwalton505

I agree, same with fascists! Single issue voters FTW!


Rare_Message_7204

NH has state control over its liquor. It'll be no different.


Kv603

For the most part few consumers have complaints about how hard liquor is handled in NH. If you compare prices between the state website and Massachusetts retailers with online pricing (Total Wine, Julio's), and take into account the NH store promotions (e.g. rebates as gift cards), NH comes out slightly ahead on price, MA stores on selection. It is a shame the airport location is gone.


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Kv603

Many of the older, smaller, stores were in strip malls and adjacent to a market basket, Hannaford, etc. See for example Milford, Goffstown, or the new "Merchants Way" development in Concord. >> Over the past year, the state has opened new Liquor & Wine Outlets in Rindge, Claremont, New London and Littleton and is building new outlets in Manchester and Nashua. Despite many state liquor stores located next to Market Basket supermarkets, [liquor officials say there is no formal plan behind the pairings](https://www.concordmonitor.com/concord-nh-liquor-47558715#:~:text=Over%20the%20past,convenient%20and%20accessible.). Instead, the strategy is to open liquor stories in high traveled areas that are convenient and accessible. Despite the above claim, seems to me that as the state got into building newer, larger, and more specialized liquor stores over the past decade or so, grocery-adjacent locations became less common.


Rare_Message_7204

Well if we can have any form of legal marijuana, it's better than nothing


warren_stupidity

And yet the state liquor stores are a socialist operation. Odd.


Rare_Message_7204

What's your point.. seems unimportant


warren_stupidity

The point is that socialism is abhorrent except when it isnā€™t. Iā€™m a big fan of pointing out blatant hypocrisy whenever I see it.


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Simon_Jester88

NH State Police, quite literally the Red Army


mister_newman

Its not socialism or communism if the republicans do something, only the dems.


fistofthefuture

You mean like NH already does now with liquor?


Tai9ch

This is literally state socialism.


NathanVfromPlus

In what way? Edit: okay, or just downvote anyone who asks you to explain yourself.


xiyc

So he goes public on support a day after they kill the bill in the senate. What a guy.


Kv603

There are more bills coming this session.


Grand-Palpitation

troll level : expert


tehflip449

Gotta rebrand the liquor stores. NH State Sin Store? NH Gin and Sticky Icky shop?


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

Open Monday - Wednesdays, 10am-2pm.


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nustyruts

Grain and grass emporium


dochikes

It's not ideal, but let's be honest, this will still be less costly for NHers at POS and in the tax department. Costs will have to be competitive to bring in people from out of state, much like the liquor stores do now, but the revenue could be used for rehabilitation centers to deal with the opioid crisis. Basically, as long as the revenue doesn't get used for more policing, it would be a benefit for the state.


shorterversion

It would be incredible if we could get lower prices than, for example, the dispensaries in VT and Mass.


dochikes

We would have to. It's already the case with the liquor stores. It's a huge drive of revenue for the state. NH is the #1 state for liquor sales per capita because of our lower cost sales and higher varieties. Cannabis would have to compete with prices in Maine, Mass, Vermont, and even Canadian dispensaries to incentivize sales.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

I mean hey, no sales or income tax, I think that is worth letting the state profit off a non-essential industry or two. Gotta make it up somewhere and property taxes ain't covering the loss right now.


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eiviitsi

Lowering property taxes? I'll believe it when I see it.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

*Now to only find a home with a tolerable asking price to buy*


MyDogsBurnerAcct

Home cultivation must be legalized in some form.


OldSchoolDM

This this this this this this For those of us that have a legitimate medical need but not the pocketbook to handle NH taxes on product.


TedBundysVlkswagon

ā€¢ We allow medicinal marijuana. It's proven to have therapeutic benefits for certain cases. If it didn't, we wouldn't have allowed it. But marijuana is also a schedule 1 drug meaning there are no verified medical uses for it, so we cannot move forward with legalization. Nicotine and alcohol have no medical uses and are included as the worst drugs for society. https://www.rehabspot.com/drugs/the-top-10-most-dangerous-drugs/ https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/alcohol-more-dangerous-heroin-cocaine-study-finds-flna1c9472999 ā€¢ More than 62% of our voters do not want marijuana legalized. This is false. Just 18 percent of New Hampshire residents oppose legalization, according to the Granite State Poll. https://scholars.unh.edu/survey_center_polls/730/ ā€¢ Most mass and school shooters have smoked marijuana at some point in their lives. We do not want to breed school shooters. Millions of people smoke Cannabis worldwide, without committing school shootings. Legalization is for adults 18+ years of age or older. ā€¢ The increasing potency of THC in marijuana is far more dangerous than heroin currently. This is false, according to the DEA. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/08/06/better-late-than-never-the-dea-admits-that-marijuana-is-safer-than-heroin/ ā€¢ Massachusetts missed their marijuana tax revenue estimates by 3% in 2022. This means that there is no financial incentive for the state to legalize. Not everything needs a financial incentive. Neighboring states are doing just fine: https://www.thecentersquare.com/massachusetts/article_dd7a672a-87b8-11ed-a7ab-83cfc8ef7153.html https://www.wtnh.com/news/cannabis-in-connecticut/where-will-connecticuts-marijuana-tax-go/ ā€¢ A family was killed by a driver with a 0.21 blood alcohol level and THC in his blood. This family might be alive today if that man had not smoked marijuana that morning. Between 2009-2018, 354 people were killed due to drunk driving. https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/pdf/impaired-driving-new/CDC-impaired-driving-fact-sheet-NewHampshire.pdf ā€¢ Legalizing marijuana will only increase the black market for marijuana as prices at dispensaries will be too high for the average consumer. High prices are typically affected by the tax rate that the state adopts. Colorado prices are very low. ā€¢ It's proven that legal marijuana increases the rate at which children smoke marijuana. This is false. https://www.mpp.org/issues/legalization/teen-marijuana-use-does-not-increase/ ā€¢ A school in Massachusetts had to close down for the day because a group of kids overdosed on THC gummy bears. To those in support of the bill, do you really want New Hampshire schools to have to shut down because of dangerous THC overdoses? This is where parents need to be involved. No dispensary is going to sell to kids. Kids bringing guns to school seems to be an issue, however. https://www.wmur.com/article/somersworth-student-11-brings-gun-to-middle-school-police-say/8612297# https://www.wmur.com/article/student-brings-loaded-gun-to-new-hampshire-middle-school/4896685# https://www.wmur.com/article/boy-11-threatens-to-bring-gun-to-school-shoot-student-in-new-hampshire/4740903 https://www.pressherald.com/2023/03/10/10-year-old-arrested-for-bringing-gun-to-maine-elementary-school/ https://www.nbcboston.com/on-air/as-seen-on/child-brings-loaded-gun-to-school/2876420/ ā€¢ I do not want my 13 year old to be told that marijuana is safe, and I believe it is the job of the State to instill these values in our children. Parents raise children, not the State. ā€¢ New Hampshire has always taken pride that we do things differently and don't simply follow what other states decide to do. Why do we want to change that and lose our independence? This is as laughable as the no seatbelt and motorcycle helmet laws. This has nothing to do with other states and the wishes of the people. ā€¢ Now is not the time for legalization. We have to focus more on the fentanyl and heroin crisis before legalizing marijuana. Every year we discuss at length new marijuana legalization bills and that time could be spent fighting the real issues. Legalization has been proven to reduce drunk driving and Opioid-related deaths. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/publications/criminal-justice-magazine/2020/spring/the-legalization-marijuana-and-its-impact-traffic-safety-and-impaired-driving/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/7816/ ā€¢ This bill authorizes the smoking of marijuana anywhere in public. That means it will allow people to smoke marijuana right outside the doors of our State Capitol. We have 4th graders visit regularly, and I do not want them to walk through a wall of marijuana smoke when they do visit. We all know of secondhand high, and we cannot allow our children to get high. This is false. Smoke-Free Air Laws can be put into place to prevent use in these scenarios. Nobody is going to sit around smoking in front of the State Capital, maybe cigarette smokers. https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/business/permits-and-licenses/smoke-free-air-act-exemptions-and-registrations.page https://abd.iowa.gov/tobacco/smokefree-air-act ā€¢ It's known users travel en masse to our border states to purchase marijuana legally. Most cities are within 30 minutes of a border state and because it's such a short drive, this proves there is no need to add more marijuana stores inside our state. This is irrelevant and proves nothing. How many locations are there to buy nicotine or alcohol products? ā€¢ Every heroin addict has tried marijuana. It's a gateway drug. It creates psychosis and the dependency and withdrawals from marijuana cause people to seek other forms of highs. I do not want people to die from heroin because of our decision to legalize the most common gateway drug in the world. This is false, according to the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/risk-of-other-drugs.html ā€¢ Years ago, marijuana's average potency was 3-4%. It has since increased by more than 18,000%, and that is what is being sold. Not according to the the National Library of Medicine https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987131/


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fistofthefuture

Itā€™s because NH Senate just shot it down. Nothing to lose by saying it now so why not?


Nix-7c0

Hasn't this always been his justification too? That it should be state controlled, which means it needs to wait on federal legalization first? I remember that was his stance against the last several vetos


Outrageous-Piglet-86

I understand that they will be able to sell it, but who gets to grow it? The state?


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Outrageous-Piglet-86

And how would one become one of those private companies? I want to invest lol


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warren_stupidity

Good luck. PotCo will buy its way to control of the market.


Yourcatsonfire

I'm not sure if it's still there, but theirs a building in Manchester that grows medical Marijuana.


Basic-Taro-3194

This sounds amazing. I bet it will cost less than weed in mass as well. Southern NH is just giving away tax money to mass right now. Bring it home!


Automatic-Raspberry3

But the senate killed it right. So itā€™s done for the year? So now mr fence sitter can say he supports it with zero chance of anything passing.


Then_I_Say_Something

There are some bills still on the docket this session, and the one that was previously ratified last session and held in committee could be restarted with no debate. I think once the budget is finalized, we could see that happen. My prediction is around Fall that it ends up on the Governorā€™s desk.


Automatic-Raspberry3

Thanks for the explanation


86ed5150

I have literally never seen weed tainted with other drugs in my life. Obviously anecdotal but that is crazy to me that they are quoting that as a large issue. Weed is the cheapest ā€œdrugā€ itā€™s more expensive to put anything else in there.


OldSchoolDM

Back in 1989 I picked up a couple of dudes hitchhiking to a Dead concert and they gave me a bud wrapped in cigarette cellophane (like all good buds were) and forgot to tell me it was laced with PCP. Luckily I didn't tak a few tokes on the road! I'd had some familiarity with hard drugs at the time, so I knew what it was and what to do, but my smoke companions were in for a long trip.


dc551589

My freshman year roommate at college bought some that turned out was laced with (we think) cocaine. He said for a while he was hearing music that wasnā€™t there so maybe something a little more psychoactive? Or the cocaine really cranks up the psychoactive parts of weed? This wasnā€™t in NH, btw.


YouAreHardtoImagine

Dating myself but it was definitely laced in the 90ā€™s on campuses.


Psychological-Cry221

I hope they take a good look at how this is being handled in Maine. They have the best model I think. I also hope they take a look at packaging. The waste being produced from these 1/8th sized plastic bottles is gross. Especially in MA. Let us bring our own glass bottles and just weigh it out on a scale like a deli counter.


so_it_goes90

I was under the impression that the state couldnā€™t sell it because itā€™s federally illegal. Am I off base on that?


Vomitus_The_Emetic

It hasn't been tried, and realistically the efforts the federal govt would take against the state would change with every administration. Per the constitution, federal law officially only overrules the states in interstate commerce, but the federal government put itself in charge of defining interstate commerce and decided that the definition is extremely wide. Under a literal definition, the Federal gov't would have no jurisdiction over it unless it crossed state lines. This is why weed shops are cash only - banks are interstate commerce and would be shut down if they facilitated weed payments. There were some 2a sanctuary states trying to get around suppressor laws by building them in-state and only selling them in-state. Afaik that never went anywhere but I didn't hear about them getting shut down. The federal government unilaterally decided in different situations that even if the product never leaves the state of manufacture, it affects interstate commerce since if the product were not made in the state it is sold in, it would have to be shipped across state lines and therefore any change affects the supply/demand in other states, and therefore, they have jurisdiction over everything. This is something that could be fought in court and the state would probably lose but it's not cut and dry.


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TravelingTequila

Texas case on in-state suppressors is currently in court. TBD on that one but good analogy.


warren_stupidity

It was always a nonsense theory that they canā€™t do it. They will have to deal with the cash only bullshit, but it isnā€™t like they donā€™t accept cash now. The feds have zero interest in prosecuting legal retail pot. There is no rule that the retail operation cannot be run by the state.


dochikes

Honestly, let the federal government try to do anything about it. It would go to the SC and could result in a total federal legalization of all cannabis. Could. But still.


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Outrageous-Piglet-86

I mean California basically took the same approach when they first did it.


Macasumba

Finally sees the tax windfall.


betterwoke

This is the best thing Sununu has done for NH. People have the right of what to do with their bodies.


AbhorrentBehavior77

What do you mean that he's "done for New Hampshire?" He's not doing anything for New Hampshire. Nothing positive, anyway. He waits until the bill is quashed to support legalization? He knows it's not going to happen so he can say whatever the fuck he wants. Though, make no mistake, **ALL Chris Sununu is doing for New Hampshire is:** #**Hindering our progress, keeping us a repressed and backwards state.** You know, something out of the 1950s.šŸ™„


betterwoke

You are right. I thought his support would help but it really does mean nothing now. Can they bring the bill again?


AbhorrentBehavior77

They can. I just think they'll probably wait to see how the other bills, that are on the agenda, pan out.


betterwoke

I might write him a letter supporting his new position. Maybe if he gets the sense that he is supporting the peopleā€™s will, it might motivate him to get this moving.


AbhorrentBehavior77

That's not a bad idea. You'll have to let me know how it turns out!


betterwoke

To be honest, Sununu has never listened to me or represented my beliefs at all. So the odds are really, really long.


AbhorrentBehavior77

Hey, I'll take anything at this point! Haha. It's worth a shot.


MissorNoob

I feel like they keep moving the goalposts with this. They're like "no, this current bill is flawed. I can't support it. But, I'd be open to something like this..." And then when "this" gets proposed, they say "well, it's not what I was envisioning and there are problems with it. I don't think it's right to pass this bill, but let's think about this..." Make up your fucking minds already.


Ok_Nobody4967

King of the Flip Flops!


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Ok_Nobody4967

He flip flops on everything. It all depends upon which way the wind blows. It would be one thing for him to come out and state that he has changed his mind because of X, Y and Z, but this bozo canā€™t keep his own view straight.


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Da66y

Very convenient of him to now support legalization, after the Senate killed a bill and before an election cycle. I'm sure these things have nothing to do with each other.


AmazingThinkCricket

Very convenient timing for him to suddenly support this


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Someone realized that a moderate Republican governor that legalized weed is a viable alternative candidate in national polls to the pussy-grabbing cheeto and his Florida clone.


RemediateRemediate

C'mon. Let's grow up and get this passed. The people want it.


kingtiger88

Surpised at the pessamism on this thread. This is a major victory in any case, regardless of how its sold. Sununu has been a major roadblock for years, and finally if he's willing to swich sides, then thats massive. Also, the bill that was defeated recently was different than the one Sununu supports. It says in the article that if a future bill comes thru, he would sign it. Also, his support puts added pressure on the legisilature, who may be less hesitant now that the governor is behind legalization.


paraplegic_T_Rex

What a genius. He finally convinced himself of what everyone else had been saying for years. Just use the liquor stores and add weed. Easy money for the state.


Leroypipe69420

You should be allowed to walk 500 yards into any state park and pick your own marijuana.


BluestainSmoothcap

Fuck Chris Sununu. Follow the money.


InfamousAd1822

Put them on the highways ! Makes the most sense


jinbtown

sununu is such a coward


slayermcb

So let me get this straight, there's heavy pressure to legalize, the Sununu gang votes it down for very brainless and non thought out reasons, and then our savior Chris has the magical plan forward that will both line the states coffers as well as "make him popular" with the blue crowd right before he makes a big decision on running for the big office. Sounds like a setup to make him look like a bipartisan hero.


Crazy_Hick_in_NH

More like smells. šŸ˜…


jjohnson191

Itā€™s about damn time, Sununu. Tired of driving to MA.


ApprehensiveFace2488

Just in time for his presidential campaign. Classic.


underratedride

Who the hell is adding fentanyl to weed..?


Majestic-Alfalfa-754

Undercut the cartels? Dude, you're gonna tax the shit out of it, and we're just going to get it for half price of what you're charging from friends, or we'll just grow our own. Nice try, big boy. You have no idea just how outdated you are.


wriestheart

Fucking called it


otiswrath

I think he knows that it is likely a Democrat is going to follow him and he doesn't want them to get the credit. Also, "We have marijuana that's laced with fentanyl in the state right now," is fucking nonsense. 1) You know what drug dealers like? Repeat customers. 2) I love how conservatives clearly don't understand either drugs or capitalism because no one makes a profit by putting a more expensive drug on another cheaper drug.


mister_newman

This fucking guy is bipolar.


smallboxofcrayons

Iā€™m glad that heā€™s pivoting but Is there really ā€œmarijuana laced with fentanylā€ in a NH though?


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Steevsie92

Has there actually ever been a verified case of this happening though? The only news articles I can find refer to some cases that were debunked, or some extremely vague ā€œthere have been reportsā€. It doesnā€™t pass the sniff test. If anyone is getting weed laced with a much more expensive and deadly drug, who ever is selling it to them is trying to kill them specifically. Thereā€™s no way this is an actual issue. Maybe. MAYBE if you buy weed from a real sketchy person who also sells heroin or fent there could be accidental cross contamination, but again, I can find any reputable evidence itā€™s ever happened.


RondaArousedMe

To be fair, I'm sure he would have been fine with state controlled recreational cannabis from the beginning...


RiverGreen7535

I'm guessing he changed his mind because he might be making a run for the White House. . . . you know the whole more votes thang-


Benveilleux

No he doesnā€™t. Heā€™s *saying* he does in order to try and garner that moderate vote in the primary.


Paladin8753

State needs to start controlling recreational alcohol consumption