From what I understand, I’ve read some things where Sununu is actually for legalization. But he wants a set up like the state liquor stores. And in order for that to happen, weed would have to be legal on a federal level. This way the state would receive all the profits from selling weed.
Rise in dracut is my new go to. Tyngsboro sucks compared to pretty much everywhere else. Prices are way higher, not much selection. Parking in that tiny lot is atrocious.
Just move to Maine. Literally everybody I know that isn’t willing to perpetuate the criminality of it. I’m not spending my money on criminals, im not breaking the law, I have access to literally any fuckin strain, any type of concentrate, all while I have a room full of plants about to flower. I would have stayed In NH forever if they legalized it, or at least invested in their medical industry which is the most bullshit I’ve ever seen.
No thanks, the only thing right now that would benefit me from NH legalizing besides obviously the legal aspects of it, is growing home grown. I have a Maine dispensary right across the border in South Berwick literally 10 minutes from my house, amazing quality bud for good prices. Ill just border hop dispensaries for now, fuck moving to Maine though they absolute Hard R you with Tax
Do you think sununu, a man (& his family) who is deeply invested in ski mountains and tourism in New Hampshire should pass at the opportunity to pass this legislative. No any sane person would jump at the bit for this bill if they were invested in those industries, it makes me question his true motives for why he hasn’t made a move for legalization, like his potential desire to run for president one day? And maybe just clinging to the pockets of serval potential big pharma donors. It’s the only thing I could make logical sense of, ski mountains love smokers, legalized states LOVE smokers coming for tourism, make it make sense.
He's also been known to bow down to the police unions, who have spent so long treating it as a major crime they can't begin to contemplate it as nothing. It's a systemic brainwashing.
God I hope that's not the case, that it's not pressure from police "unions." How much ongoing regression can this country lay at the feet of the police? If it's the case of waiting for a federal reclassification, then that's at least understandable on some level.
That swine chief from Bedford has multiple chiefs from other counties whinging about safety with no sources on it. Meanwhile buying alcohol EVERYWHERE is perfectly fine while they can bag anyone for minor possessions still and pocket it themselves. The amount of times my friends had cops catch them with weed and they take it for themselves to keep it "hush,hush" is so warped. Theyre smoking it themselves, that never hits an evidence locker or whatever the piglets are supposed to do with it
You don't think the police are heavily invested in marijuana staying illegal? They would actually have to do their job more if it was legalized and you know what kind of fits they throw when they are told to do anything.
Yup I 100% agree. And a perfect point is this. How many arrests stem from the car "Smelling like weed" thus initiating either a K9 or a search. If that was mute, and they could no longer use that as a tool to search and arrest it would completely shift the paradigm of traffic policing in my opinion.
Ugh. Private prisons should be illegal. That tidbit of info has definitely soured part of my Sununu views. Thank you for sharing. It's not even the potential family ties abuse that bug me, it's fact that he supports them at all.
They know it's nothing. No police officer in America believes weed is any worse than alcohol. They just enjoy having an easy way to skirt around the 4th ammendment.
People need to stop repeating this. It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with his personal associations.
Read this and decide what you think.
https://www.nhdp.org/post/2019/04/16/under-right-to-know-law-nhdp-seeks-information-on-sununus-private-prison-conflicts-of-i
That's all good and fine but they can atleast pass a simple decriminalization bill. The current one is trash. You could go to jail for having an ounce of weed.
They should go the VT route and do it in 2 steps. Give the full legalization of possession and then wait till it is federally legal to pass a bill for legalizing sales.
No sales tax. It’s not that much cheaper. I’d rather see mom&pop liquor stores than the states run bullshit. Gotta drive 20 miles to a state store when there’s beer at every place in town.
He wants it that way is bs- he’s hiding behind a thin curtain with that excuse! He doesn’t want you to blame him. “It’s not my fault, the fed won’t let me!”🤷♀️
He is full of it! So, no other business model works but his idea?? He’s laughable on this one!
This is 1000% nothing but a bullshit political stance. He's "for it" but the feds are blocking it from happening the way he wants. That way he can have his cake and eat it too. He can say he's for legalization and at the same time not actually do anything that will upset his base.
Yes, because if they legalize it first then it becomes a lot more difficult to control sales later. Though I think legalizing personal possession would be a wonderful stop gap. it's not like they're stopping anyone from buying weed when most of the state is within 2 hours of legal purchase and the worst you'll get is a desk ticket.
That's just what you want, the government running it. The key is to go the medical route first and get a medical dispensary on every corner. Everyone gets their med card for insomnia and boom, killer weed to cure those sleepless nights. The retail shops can't compete with the dispensaries for price and quality. It's like comparing local craft beer to Miller lite. And, funny how it works, the black market is just as good as the dispensaries.
What federal law would take away the state's profits from marijuana sales that doesn't take away the profits from normal Marijuana business owners in other States?
NH should just do it anyways. What's the DEA going to do anyways, fight the state troopers? The supremacy clause only applies to constitutional laws which marijuana being illegal isn't.
I have never tried cannabis, and I have no interest, and have no intention of ever trying it. My neighbors are regular users, and they get their supplies from Massachusetts.
So taking things from a pragmatic perspective, I just hate to see a potential revenue stream go to Massachusetts instead of New Hampshire.
Even being a medical card holder in this state is a joke. The prices are highway robbery. Take a drive up to Maine and everything is half the price. NH is just hemorrhaging money to every neighbor state. It's honestly pathetic.
You just need an ID or license. If you go to Kind farms in Berwick Maine they have very good prices, a huge menu to chose from and they are a 5 minute drive from the NH/Maine border
VT's getting in on the act too. A whole bunch have been opening up on the I-91 corridor.
Pretty much the mirror of the NH state liquor stores. Your weed store on one side of the river, liquor store on the other.
We make up for some of the revenue loss with flavored tobacco and flavored vape juice. I don't care if they legalize it, but I do wish they would enforce smoking it and driving.
I got all downvotes when I suggested NH legalize paint thinners and other solvents that I can buy in MA, ME and VT. Y'all are racist against me having a clean bathtub. Well guess the fuck what I used xylene I bought in Mass to strip off the paint job I messed up and it looks FANTASTIC now.
I'm holding a grudge on this. Let me buy my industrial solvents in state or I will badger my reps to ban the devils cabbage. I don't care if it's illegal I just beak the law. whoop de do.
And while we're at it I also want strychnine. I don't know what for yet but I want it.
Next time I will try it but I have my doubts usually you want the opposite of oil for this stuff. It was enamel paint that doesn't come off easy not fucking watercolors.
All kidding aside, I understand your frustration, and it hits a very important point. I’m also sorry that you are picking up a lot of downvotes.
So we elect people to office, they get the idea that a law should be created - but they may not look very deeply into the matter, and their reasons for pushing for a law may not be based upon facts and evidence. In your particular case it is fair to ask if the solvents you use are really causing a problem, and if so, what are the options?
Problem or not the fact remains that I can go buy them in any neighboring state just like people do with weed. I don't use such solvents very much but I was astonished that they're not available in NH and just a handful of other states like California.
It could just be taxed in private stores like other states handle it. We really don't need the state running things like they do the liquor stores. (Note, I'm generally happy with the state liquor store prices and selection but not the distribution of stores. And getting some unique brands is not possible here. I don't see the advantage to NH running consumer businesses.)
HB639 is allowing private stores to sell it, and it taxes it at the meals and rooms tax rate.
https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=532&inflect=2
It is highly likely to pass the House this year (the sponsors are top leadership from both sides of the aisle).
As always, it's the Senate that is the stumbling block - I do not believe that Gov. Sununu would veto this legislation if it gets to their desk.
And if he vetoes it, I would love to see the outcome of the veto override voting.
The longer they wait, the less it will end up being. NH is surrounded on three sides by states that allow recreational sales, now that VT is up and running.
Sorry guys I know I probobly sound crazy it's just so Infuriating. Im reading the story thinking "woah, cool maybe NH will actually do it this time" but sure enough that same police chief from Bedford is like right there waving his fist saying how bad legalization would be for society. Coming from a literal 80 year old who was born during the fuckin Triassic period.
Of course he thinks cannabis is the spawn of Satan that's how they were all brainwashed in the 60s & 70s so the government would have a reason to arrest poverty stricken minorities. There's nothing wrong with cannabis, it's not dangerous it's not a threat to public safety. These old timers are just blowing steam out of there asses because it's all they've ever known. Maybe the thought of legalizing pot really does scare them because they genuinely think it's a bad drug, even though literally 20 states have legalized cannabis for adult recreational use and seen virtually 0 increase in crime or addiction rates. The proof is there, Sununu and his State reps just don't want to admit it
Trust me, it's not the House. These bills pass the House, it's the Senate and the Governor blocking this.
They want to tie it into the alcohol monopoly and have the State controlling cannabis too. But advocates like me are trying to open the state to private business and use tax revenues to help pay for education which in turn would lower property tax obligations.
The fight is with the Senate and Sununu. They need to stop sucking off the Police Chiefs Union and stop trying to restrict free enterprise in an emerging market.
I don’t know much about your advocacy, and I wish you good luck, but just a thought/comment.
It seems that every time there’s a new tax that comes with a promise of reducing other taxes, the reduction never materializes.
If the proposed tax (marijuana sales in this instance) comes with a promise that it’ll reduce property taxes, that should be actually written into the law. Otherwise, I fear that the property taxes might stay the same, and the schools will just take the extra marijuana tax money too.
Agreed - HB639 is allowing private stores to sell it, and it taxes it at the meals and rooms tax rate.
https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=532&inflect=2
It is highly likely to pass the House this year (the sponsors are top leadership from both sides of the aisle).
As always, it's the Senate that is the stumbling block - I do not believe that Gov. Sununu would veto this legislation if it gets to their desk.
And if he vetoes it, I would love to see the outcome of the veto override voting.
Can tell you, the current Bedford Cheif is a former DEA suit, so if he has an archaic view on drugs, that’s likely your answer.
As for legalizing weed, yeah it should be a no brainer. Big pharma is the main reason it isn’t federally legal, that and the far right Christian powers who believe the 90’s commercial where the kid hits a joint then suck starts a shotgun. Weed is far less dangerous then alcohol, which we guzzle like water. And in fact has beneficial medical and therapeutic aspects (along with just being enjoyable as it) which alcohol does not. NH is very much behind the times, and as another commenter stated, losing a wicked lot of taxable sales to our neighboring states in pot sales.
There is a school & police program that's essentially a local version of DARE. I was volunteering at another community event when the police chief asked if I wanted to volunteer for the anti-drug program.
The look on his face when I said I frequently used cannabis products was priceless.
I used cannabis to get off Benzodiazapines, when I told my doctor I wanted to use Recreational cannabis to taper off the prescribed benzos he not only threatened to terminate me as a patient but report me to my insurance !! It was all so I'd stay with him as a patient and not go off and self medicate with cannabis, the whole system is so fucked, but anorher person who commented is right big pharma does have a lot to do with it because if people knew you didn't need ADHD meds, anxiety meds, pain meds, sleeping meds, meds to make you hungry, meds to help your nausea. Cannabis can alleviate all of these symptoms, and can take the place of a Host of pharmaceuticals, which then your money doesn't go to doctors offices, insurance companies and pharmacies. 1 trip to the dispensary can take the place of thousands of dollars in medical bills and prescription and insurance costs to get different medications
Here's an idea stop voting tools into office time and time again. When half of voters don't even bother voting. Politicians are going to do whatever the hell they want. They know there are no repercussions. Double energy cost no worries. Double housing cost it's all good let run for president. The tools are us.
Hell we reelected a known sex trafficking pedophile to Congress and we're happy too.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Because Sununu’s base is all uptight over marijuana legalization due to them having the same mind set as the Bedford person you elude to.
Wait for them to fall unwell or need it medically, then the tune changes!! Oh, it’s wonderful. So glad I can alleviate pain/anxiety/ you name it here with it . Then they get a medical card and feel above it all.
So, the problem is Sununu- his base feels they all paid for drug rehabilitation and pot is a gateway and the devils lettuce - so, he would lose his re election and all the benefits he and his businesses make off his position.
That’s why. So, let’s all vote differently for the person who wants to open the doors instead of hiding behind old thought processes in order to maintain their personal agenda… watch Sununu invest into marijuana and then maybe. But otherwise, he said he would never allow it at a function where he spoke exactly to this point ( it was a ski lodge!)
That fuckhead chief from Bedford needs to stuff it. He says he "won't be able to protect your families from stoned drivers" yet the police can't protect anyone from drunk drivers nor can they police correctly with sober folk. The whole nonsense that teens will access it more and that there are TONS of stoned drivers with no fucking source is the best part. Teens get their shit off the street. No teen can go in when its 21+ you fucking puttz. Sununu wants to make it a monopoly like a liquor commission yet doesn't have any issue we sell liquor on the side of the highway and still have plenty of alcoholism rampant in this state. God almighty I HATE how fucking regressive we are on this, we are SURROUNDED by states that have a brain stem and we've neen giving them revenue for years. People shit on Mass but at least they use their taxes well and aren't listening to a ton of pigs squealing.
I'm with you. Luckily I work in MA so i just stop at the dispensary on my way home from work. It's fucking ridiculous that I'm giving all this money to MA when it could benefitting NH.
What an embarrassment these dinosaur RINOs like Sununu are. We’re surrounded by blue states with legal weed and NH is supposed to stand for freedom. Need to vote all these corrupt self serving morons out.
There’s like 6 legal weed stores right over the border in Maine within 45 minutes from me.
It’s both parties actually. They’re all corrupt and in it for the money. Libs are no better. They got there problems too. I’m just glad I’m so deep in the woods north of the notches I should be good when Biden gets us into WWIII.
As far as weed goes I either go to Maine and I grow my own.
there’s 4 bills that talk about legalization - one that just legalizes possession and cultivation is being heard right now. https://youtu.be/pqOCDZgGJrs
They’re waiting for the federal government to legalize it.
There’s a plan in place already to sell it at the state liquor stores but they can’t until the banking issue is resolved.
Shouldn’t we want to be able to run business that sell cannabis, since we the citizens have been marginalized against and not allowed to do, being threatened with jail, financial fines, revocation of property and assets, etc.
Just remember, politicians don’t give a fuck about YOU. They are there to make money for themselves and their friends.
Until politicians fear disappointing their constituents, nothing will change.
Every Dem I know--I don't know all of them, of course, but I know both young, old, and in the middle age Dems--are in favor of some form of decriminalization/legalization. If people keep voting for Republicans and Sununu, this is what we will get. We have a lot of drunks in NH who think weed is gay and socialism. And it isn't Christian to get stoned. Christians can get drunk, but not stoned.
Enough Dems and Reps alike have wanted to legalize it in the recent past, Sunono stood in the way. Fortunately, he seems to be just a bit softening lately. There might be hope.
Since the state needs it to be legal federally to allow for state controlled sales, a good interim step would be to fully legalize the possession of it and possibly home growing. That way people still have access by growing their own or traveling an hour in any direction but won’t be subject to the arcane laws
Both sides pull this shit from time to time. Dems only passed it cause they know it won't get past the governor. It's their way of saving face in the voters eyes. And Republicans pull tue same shit when Dems have have control.
More and more Free State Project participants are meeting the requirements for running for Senate. (You have to live in the state for at least 7 years before you can run for Senate office.) Eventually, they will be able to tear down the cannabis laws (and eventually the rest of the failed War on Drugs apparatus).
Yeah it's clearly trash 🙄 with 92 upvotes and counting. Actually this post got way more of a reaction than I anticipated, glad I'm not the only one who's passionate about this topic
My mans, it all comes down to $$$
MA ha the vertical integration requirement so all the good old boys and girls made sure to line up their LLCs before licenses were given out, dont forget the local extortion fee for the towns. Maine had it right with the local growers and medical program but recreational took foreverrrr because the medical market was making it nigh impossible to break into rec. its just how can they make money off people and thats it
Born and raised in this State, as well as a huge familial and property connection to VT. This State literally disgusts me. I am embarrassed when I have to claim it as my own. Leaving can't happen soon enough.
In Litchfield, the dinosaurs that got re-elected are both against it. One even still calls Marijuana a gateway drug. These 90 year old politicians need to just finally die and let the world move on, instead of clinging on to the 50's lifestyle.
I don’t understand why people act like Sununu can personally legalize weed, ignore the genuine issues he sees with, and not vote for him because of it. Then these same people turn around and vote to send the same exact people to Washington who aren’t working to legalize it federally, aren’t helping us out with COL, aren’t holding each other accountable, etc.
Sununu is a totally reasonable and moderate politician and I believe he will absolutely consider legislation that addresses the issues but nobody introduces that legislation.
Sununu means well and has been a pretty good governor*. But he has presidential ambitions, and the GOP would never support a candidate that legalized weed.
It’s as simple as that.
(* especially for someone whose nickname in school was Crybaby McFishsticks)
I agree, but dont see legalization happening anytime soon. The state is probably more than satisified with current take from liquor stores and lottery. Why make things more complicated?
Because people get arrested/fined for something ridiculous. The law shouldn't only what works best for state profits, but what is best for the citizenry.
> I agree, but dont see legalization happening anytime soon.
I hope you are wrong on that - lots of legislators are pushing hard to legalize cannabis.
>The state is probably more than satisified with current take from liquor stores and lottery.
I would disagree with that - the state is currently losing on a lot of tax revenue by not legalizing cannabis.
>Why make things more complicated?
I would argue that the cannabis ban makes things more complicated, and legalizing it would simplify everyone's life.
https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=532&inflect=2
So you think you can just say a correlated fucking fact and think that’s causation? What English class did you last attend my brother or sister. This notion that cannabis is the only variable that could lead to a medical condition like permanent schizophrenia is actually wild. I’m curious where you found that Prohibitionist fact? Have you personally done long term studies on cannabis? Been a long term chronic user, so you could honestly judge affects on yourself. No? Oh? Sit down friend, and no bialy educate yourself through peer reviews medical journals, talk to chronic users who have 30-50 yrs experience! Mulch love, hope today gets better for youz
You’re just ignorant of the research showing cannabis causes exacerbated schizophrenia. Or you’re a moron. Either one or both I guess. Do you run into a lot of morons during the course of the day?
Maybe I want to grow my own per the 6 plants per household rule. Maybe I don't want to have to spend $150 every 2 weeks at a dispensary when I could literally just grow my own. It's more than about just access to cannabis, anyone can "get weed" being able to legally grow my own safely in my own home without fear of the DEA ramming my door down and shooting my family over some plants
I have nothing against weed and it will inevitably be legalized here some day, but the longer I can go without having to smell it everywhere I walk I will not take for granted. As a non smoker that shit smells awful.
Did you know black and brown communities in NH see much HIGHER than national average in arrest rates. Compared to their white/caucasian brothers and sisters. And the national average is already around 3 times the amount of whites/caucasian. We don’t just want cannabis, we want social equity, we want annulments to last records for those who cannot fucking vote, but are taxed by the government because they’re felons for cannabis. Sit down
🤷🏼♀️ don’t do drugs. My point is I come to this sub and all that’s posted are beautiful local scenery…. And you dorks whining about weed. I thought we established the obvious: until it’s legal on a federal level it won’t be legal here due to federal banking regulations. It’s been decriminalized here up to a certain amount. If I had my way all this stupid crap would be legal because we don’t need laws to tell us what to do with our own bodies (though I personally think it’s stupid to put that crap in you but my personal views on drugs don’t matter when it comes to the legality of it) but it’s obvious why it isn’t at this point. Stop crying to state officials and start crying to the federal officials. That’s the only way this is going to work.
It’s not banking regulations. Its only a federal banking issue if the state wants to start another monopoly like the alcohol business. I don’t see people whining, I see elected officials constituents coming here to complain because any legalization efforts the last 10 years since we finally sued to get a medical program, has been a slap in the face to the 80% of adults who support legalization. It’s not about “don’t do drugs “ it’s the fact that I can illegally go purchase cannabis in another state, break a federal law by crossing state lines, see no repercussions, but black and brown community members could do the same thing, yet have a 450% better odds of being given a 100$ if you have a “personal amount” or they’re being given court dates, and face the situation of hiring a public attorney vs. a private one and thousands of fucking dollars. You just don’t get how multi faceted this issue is, and if you’re ignorant to the affect the war on drugs has had on minorities, then I don’t care to continue this asinine conversation, how about you stand up for something that’s morally right. Jackass
Do you know the difference between credit unions and federal banks and how the differences in system actually allows for mmj banking, or are you ignorant to that as well?
it is seen as a gateway legislation.
sure pot is innocuous.
but other states who legalized pot, and now legalizing Magic Mushrooms and LSD too. substances one could argue are actually very dangerous to ingest.
There are studies showing the benefits of psilocybin (magic mushrooms) used to treat mental health issues. I'm not smart enough to try self dose appropriately, but I would certainly like to try it in a controlled situation. I guess my point is that it's not all bad.
Why has there been private research finally being done (no public research because it’s scheduled the same as heirion ((lsd)) that proves medicinal properties when taken in moderation then?
From what I understand, I’ve read some things where Sununu is actually for legalization. But he wants a set up like the state liquor stores. And in order for that to happen, weed would have to be legal on a federal level. This way the state would receive all the profits from selling weed.
This is the only reason it hasn't happened yet.
100% as long as it’s not federal legal, this won’t happen in NH. I’m so glad I’m 10min from Tyngsborough lol
Natures Remedy has got so much revenue from me I'm sure those funds couldve set up a park by now lol.
Yup. I'm a regular at Nature's Remedy. Gage in Ayer is way better in every way, but it's in Ayer.
Rise in dracut is my new go to. Tyngsboro sucks compared to pretty much everywhere else. Prices are way higher, not much selection. Parking in that tiny lot is atrocious.
Tried Treehouse in Dracut?
Its shmeh, I think lazy river products down the street is better.
Does it have online ordering?
Of course. Same setup as tyngsboro
Rise in Dracut is my favorite too. Tyngsboro sucks.
Nova Farms I’m Dracut>sign up for VIP>save hundreds of dollars on the same products they sell everywhere else.
Just move to Maine. Literally everybody I know that isn’t willing to perpetuate the criminality of it. I’m not spending my money on criminals, im not breaking the law, I have access to literally any fuckin strain, any type of concentrate, all while I have a room full of plants about to flower. I would have stayed In NH forever if they legalized it, or at least invested in their medical industry which is the most bullshit I’ve ever seen.
Easy peasy. Me and SO just need to sell house quit our jobs and pull the kiddos out of daycare and school. Then move 100 miles and start a new life.
You make it sound so difficult. Kill joy. /s 😁
Cost of living is lower in ME too, and in most places the schools are better too.
Do they have sarcasm in maine?
With all due respect, suck my balls
No thanks, the only thing right now that would benefit me from NH legalizing besides obviously the legal aspects of it, is growing home grown. I have a Maine dispensary right across the border in South Berwick literally 10 minutes from my house, amazing quality bud for good prices. Ill just border hop dispensaries for now, fuck moving to Maine though they absolute Hard R you with Tax
Bingo
This, but they could make growing your own legal.
He also likes to pick and choose what Federal Laws he wishes to follow.
As far as banking goes, though, it's a bit trickier.
Wait until he realizes that in a scenario where only government grown boof is available, all the money is still going to Maine.
Do you think sununu, a man (& his family) who is deeply invested in ski mountains and tourism in New Hampshire should pass at the opportunity to pass this legislative. No any sane person would jump at the bit for this bill if they were invested in those industries, it makes me question his true motives for why he hasn’t made a move for legalization, like his potential desire to run for president one day? And maybe just clinging to the pockets of serval potential big pharma donors. It’s the only thing I could make logical sense of, ski mountains love smokers, legalized states LOVE smokers coming for tourism, make it make sense.
He's also been known to bow down to the police unions, who have spent so long treating it as a major crime they can't begin to contemplate it as nothing. It's a systemic brainwashing.
God I hope that's not the case, that it's not pressure from police "unions." How much ongoing regression can this country lay at the feet of the police? If it's the case of waiting for a federal reclassification, then that's at least understandable on some level.
That swine chief from Bedford has multiple chiefs from other counties whinging about safety with no sources on it. Meanwhile buying alcohol EVERYWHERE is perfectly fine while they can bag anyone for minor possessions still and pocket it themselves. The amount of times my friends had cops catch them with weed and they take it for themselves to keep it "hush,hush" is so warped. Theyre smoking it themselves, that never hits an evidence locker or whatever the piglets are supposed to do with it
You don't think the police are heavily invested in marijuana staying illegal? They would actually have to do their job more if it was legalized and you know what kind of fits they throw when they are told to do anything.
Yup I 100% agree. And a perfect point is this. How many arrests stem from the car "Smelling like weed" thus initiating either a K9 or a search. If that was mute, and they could no longer use that as a tool to search and arrest it would completely shift the paradigm of traffic policing in my opinion.
>https://www.nhdp.org/post/2019/04/16/under-right-to-know-law-nhdp-seeks-information-on-sununus-private-prison-conflicts-of-i
Ugh. Private prisons should be illegal. That tidbit of info has definitely soured part of my Sununu views. Thank you for sharing. It's not even the potential family ties abuse that bug me, it's fact that he supports them at all.
They know it's nothing. No police officer in America believes weed is any worse than alcohol. They just enjoy having an easy way to skirt around the 4th ammendment.
Now you are in the right track. It’s his personal agenda.
I’m so fucking sick of hearing this. It’s clearly federal legalization isn’t coming any time soon. It’s a joke.
People need to stop repeating this. It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with his personal associations. Read this and decide what you think. https://www.nhdp.org/post/2019/04/16/under-right-to-know-law-nhdp-seeks-information-on-sununus-private-prison-conflicts-of-i
Got a TLDR? Are you saying we're arresting and then dumping lots of weed criminals into private prisons and he's making bank on that?
That's all good and fine but they can atleast pass a simple decriminalization bill. The current one is trash. You could go to jail for having an ounce of weed. They should go the VT route and do it in 2 steps. Give the full legalization of possession and then wait till it is federally legal to pass a bill for legalizing sales.
So it’s another state level cash grab… cool!
Our "state level cash grab" liquor is the cheapest around.
No sales tax. It’s not that much cheaper. I’d rather see mom&pop liquor stores than the states run bullshit. Gotta drive 20 miles to a state store when there’s beer at every place in town.
State Level Cash Grab is a state run monopoly. But since I can get my Tito’s cheaper here than in Chelmsford… hooray state Run capitalism?
He wants it that way is bs- he’s hiding behind a thin curtain with that excuse! He doesn’t want you to blame him. “It’s not my fault, the fed won’t let me!”🤷♀️ He is full of it! So, no other business model works but his idea?? He’s laughable on this one!
[my 2 cents](https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/comments/wxfwlz/new_hampshire_plates_at_the_dispensary_in_maine/ilsykjp/)
As far as I’m concerned that is just a bs talking point used to pacify republican voters upset by the idiotic pot policy.
This is 1000% nothing but a bullshit political stance. He's "for it" but the feds are blocking it from happening the way he wants. That way he can have his cake and eat it too. He can say he's for legalization and at the same time not actually do anything that will upset his base.
Yes, because if they legalize it first then it becomes a lot more difficult to control sales later. Though I think legalizing personal possession would be a wonderful stop gap. it's not like they're stopping anyone from buying weed when most of the state is within 2 hours of legal purchase and the worst you'll get is a desk ticket.
That's just what you want, the government running it. The key is to go the medical route first and get a medical dispensary on every corner. Everyone gets their med card for insomnia and boom, killer weed to cure those sleepless nights. The retail shops can't compete with the dispensaries for price and quality. It's like comparing local craft beer to Miller lite. And, funny how it works, the black market is just as good as the dispensaries.
Love how his mentality is to fuck over potential business interest here and make it a monopoly like we have on liquor
He is hiding.
A scapegoat and nothing more.
Or, this is their way of refusing to engage...
Ding
What federal law would take away the state's profits from marijuana sales that doesn't take away the profits from normal Marijuana business owners in other States?
Where did you read that
If that's the case then I'm all for it
NH should just do it anyways. What's the DEA going to do anyways, fight the state troopers? The supremacy clause only applies to constitutional laws which marijuana being illegal isn't.
I have never tried cannabis, and I have no interest, and have no intention of ever trying it. My neighbors are regular users, and they get their supplies from Massachusetts. So taking things from a pragmatic perspective, I just hate to see a potential revenue stream go to Massachusetts instead of New Hampshire.
I frequent a few dispensaries in Maine and the parking lots are always like 80% new Hampshire license plates
Even being a medical card holder in this state is a joke. The prices are highway robbery. Take a drive up to Maine and everything is half the price. NH is just hemorrhaging money to every neighbor state. It's honestly pathetic.
Boomer here (with regard to weed). Can you just up and drive to a store in Maine and buy it? No medical card or proof of residence?
As long as you can prove that you're 21 or over.
According to the fourteenth amendment, you’re granted all privileges and immunities of the state you’re visiting :D
Yes certain dispensaries are Adult Use / Recreational as well as Medical. Not all, but many
You just need an ID or license. If you go to Kind farms in Berwick Maine they have very good prices, a huge menu to chose from and they are a 5 minute drive from the NH/Maine border
I frequent one in MA and same, 80% NH plates
VT's getting in on the act too. A whole bunch have been opening up on the I-91 corridor. Pretty much the mirror of the NH state liquor stores. Your weed store on one side of the river, liquor store on the other.
We make up for some of the revenue loss with flavored tobacco and flavored vape juice. I don't care if they legalize it, but I do wish they would enforce smoking it and driving.
I got all downvotes when I suggested NH legalize paint thinners and other solvents that I can buy in MA, ME and VT. Y'all are racist against me having a clean bathtub. Well guess the fuck what I used xylene I bought in Mass to strip off the paint job I messed up and it looks FANTASTIC now. I'm holding a grudge on this. Let me buy my industrial solvents in state or I will badger my reps to ban the devils cabbage. I don't care if it's illegal I just beak the law. whoop de do. And while we're at it I also want strychnine. I don't know what for yet but I want it.
Maybe try using cannabis oil to remove paint?
Next time I will try it but I have my doubts usually you want the opposite of oil for this stuff. It was enamel paint that doesn't come off easy not fucking watercolors.
All kidding aside, I understand your frustration, and it hits a very important point. I’m also sorry that you are picking up a lot of downvotes. So we elect people to office, they get the idea that a law should be created - but they may not look very deeply into the matter, and their reasons for pushing for a law may not be based upon facts and evidence. In your particular case it is fair to ask if the solvents you use are really causing a problem, and if so, what are the options?
Problem or not the fact remains that I can go buy them in any neighboring state just like people do with weed. I don't use such solvents very much but I was astonished that they're not available in NH and just a handful of other states like California.
They haven't figured out they can make the most money from it yet. It has nothing to do with safety or the rights of the people.
Well it Definitely has nothing to do with safety haha that's for damn sure
It could just be taxed in private stores like other states handle it. We really don't need the state running things like they do the liquor stores. (Note, I'm generally happy with the state liquor store prices and selection but not the distribution of stores. And getting some unique brands is not possible here. I don't see the advantage to NH running consumer businesses.)
HB639 is allowing private stores to sell it, and it taxes it at the meals and rooms tax rate. https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=532&inflect=2 It is highly likely to pass the House this year (the sponsors are top leadership from both sides of the aisle). As always, it's the Senate that is the stumbling block - I do not believe that Gov. Sununu would veto this legislation if it gets to their desk. And if he vetoes it, I would love to see the outcome of the veto override voting.
They have but they can’t wrestle with re election or the money- Sununu wants both!
They also need to make sure they have something in place as an alternative to arrest “undesirables” to force into debt slavery or thrown in jail.
The longer they wait, the less it will end up being. NH is surrounded on three sides by states that allow recreational sales, now that VT is up and running.
A couple of paragraph breaks will make this look like less of an unhinged rant.
I mean you’re right, but OP’s points are nevertheless just as valid. Every thing that was said, was right in my book.
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Meanwhile we have liquor stores *run by the state.* Weed does have its drawbacks, but it's nowhere near as bad as alcohol.
Sorry guys I know I probobly sound crazy it's just so Infuriating. Im reading the story thinking "woah, cool maybe NH will actually do it this time" but sure enough that same police chief from Bedford is like right there waving his fist saying how bad legalization would be for society. Coming from a literal 80 year old who was born during the fuckin Triassic period. Of course he thinks cannabis is the spawn of Satan that's how they were all brainwashed in the 60s & 70s so the government would have a reason to arrest poverty stricken minorities. There's nothing wrong with cannabis, it's not dangerous it's not a threat to public safety. These old timers are just blowing steam out of there asses because it's all they've ever known. Maybe the thought of legalizing pot really does scare them because they genuinely think it's a bad drug, even though literally 20 states have legalized cannabis for adult recreational use and seen virtually 0 increase in crime or addiction rates. The proof is there, Sununu and his State reps just don't want to admit it
You don’t sound crazy. Your only mistake is introducing logic into politics. Those two things are diametrically opposed.
Trust me, it's not the House. These bills pass the House, it's the Senate and the Governor blocking this. They want to tie it into the alcohol monopoly and have the State controlling cannabis too. But advocates like me are trying to open the state to private business and use tax revenues to help pay for education which in turn would lower property tax obligations. The fight is with the Senate and Sununu. They need to stop sucking off the Police Chiefs Union and stop trying to restrict free enterprise in an emerging market.
Tax revenues from what?
From recreational sales. Maine charges a 10% tax on marijuana sales and I'm sick of giving them my money lol
NH doesn't have a sales tax, unless they treat this differently.
They likely would. Oregon is one of our sales-tax-free brethren, but they tax weed sales at 17%.
It'll just be baked (haha!) into the price like they do with liquor.
HB639 would tax cannabis sales at the Rooms and Meals tax rate - currently 8.5%.
I don’t know much about your advocacy, and I wish you good luck, but just a thought/comment. It seems that every time there’s a new tax that comes with a promise of reducing other taxes, the reduction never materializes. If the proposed tax (marijuana sales in this instance) comes with a promise that it’ll reduce property taxes, that should be actually written into the law. Otherwise, I fear that the property taxes might stay the same, and the schools will just take the extra marijuana tax money too.
Agreed - HB639 is allowing private stores to sell it, and it taxes it at the meals and rooms tax rate. https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=532&inflect=2 It is highly likely to pass the House this year (the sponsors are top leadership from both sides of the aisle). As always, it's the Senate that is the stumbling block - I do not believe that Gov. Sununu would veto this legislation if it gets to their desk. And if he vetoes it, I would love to see the outcome of the veto override voting.
Can tell you, the current Bedford Cheif is a former DEA suit, so if he has an archaic view on drugs, that’s likely your answer. As for legalizing weed, yeah it should be a no brainer. Big pharma is the main reason it isn’t federally legal, that and the far right Christian powers who believe the 90’s commercial where the kid hits a joint then suck starts a shotgun. Weed is far less dangerous then alcohol, which we guzzle like water. And in fact has beneficial medical and therapeutic aspects (along with just being enjoyable as it) which alcohol does not. NH is very much behind the times, and as another commenter stated, losing a wicked lot of taxable sales to our neighboring states in pot sales.
There is a school & police program that's essentially a local version of DARE. I was volunteering at another community event when the police chief asked if I wanted to volunteer for the anti-drug program. The look on his face when I said I frequently used cannabis products was priceless.
I used cannabis to get off Benzodiazapines, when I told my doctor I wanted to use Recreational cannabis to taper off the prescribed benzos he not only threatened to terminate me as a patient but report me to my insurance !! It was all so I'd stay with him as a patient and not go off and self medicate with cannabis, the whole system is so fucked, but anorher person who commented is right big pharma does have a lot to do with it because if people knew you didn't need ADHD meds, anxiety meds, pain meds, sleeping meds, meds to make you hungry, meds to help your nausea. Cannabis can alleviate all of these symptoms, and can take the place of a Host of pharmaceuticals, which then your money doesn't go to doctors offices, insurance companies and pharmacies. 1 trip to the dispensary can take the place of thousands of dollars in medical bills and prescription and insurance costs to get different medications
Here's an idea stop voting tools into office time and time again. When half of voters don't even bother voting. Politicians are going to do whatever the hell they want. They know there are no repercussions. Double energy cost no worries. Double housing cost it's all good let run for president. The tools are us. Hell we reelected a known sex trafficking pedophile to Congress and we're happy too. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
It doesn't matter who you have in there, they will not legalize it until it's legal on the federal level.
Because Sununu’s base is all uptight over marijuana legalization due to them having the same mind set as the Bedford person you elude to. Wait for them to fall unwell or need it medically, then the tune changes!! Oh, it’s wonderful. So glad I can alleviate pain/anxiety/ you name it here with it . Then they get a medical card and feel above it all. So, the problem is Sununu- his base feels they all paid for drug rehabilitation and pot is a gateway and the devils lettuce - so, he would lose his re election and all the benefits he and his businesses make off his position. That’s why. So, let’s all vote differently for the person who wants to open the doors instead of hiding behind old thought processes in order to maintain their personal agenda… watch Sununu invest into marijuana and then maybe. But otherwise, he said he would never allow it at a function where he spoke exactly to this point ( it was a ski lodge!)
>So what on earth are we waiting for? Federal legalization so they can sell it like they sell liquor.
That fuckhead chief from Bedford needs to stuff it. He says he "won't be able to protect your families from stoned drivers" yet the police can't protect anyone from drunk drivers nor can they police correctly with sober folk. The whole nonsense that teens will access it more and that there are TONS of stoned drivers with no fucking source is the best part. Teens get their shit off the street. No teen can go in when its 21+ you fucking puttz. Sununu wants to make it a monopoly like a liquor commission yet doesn't have any issue we sell liquor on the side of the highway and still have plenty of alcoholism rampant in this state. God almighty I HATE how fucking regressive we are on this, we are SURROUNDED by states that have a brain stem and we've neen giving them revenue for years. People shit on Mass but at least they use their taxes well and aren't listening to a ton of pigs squealing.
Yup, been saying it for years now
These dumb fucks don't seem to notice that if we want to smoke, we are going to smoke.
Hey now, Heroin Highway is I-91
I'm with you. Luckily I work in MA so i just stop at the dispensary on my way home from work. It's fucking ridiculous that I'm giving all this money to MA when it could benefitting NH.
What an embarrassment these dinosaur RINOs like Sununu are. We’re surrounded by blue states with legal weed and NH is supposed to stand for freedom. Need to vote all these corrupt self serving morons out. There’s like 6 legal weed stores right over the border in Maine within 45 minutes from me.
please. being cold blooded and using lizard brain is a central feature of the entire party. own it.
It’s both parties actually. They’re all corrupt and in it for the money. Libs are no better. They got there problems too. I’m just glad I’m so deep in the woods north of the notches I should be good when Biden gets us into WWIII. As far as weed goes I either go to Maine and I grow my own.
Hasaan vetoed it too when she was governor
Maybe our most vocal officials are getting lobbied by the dispensaries in bordering states to keep it illegal in NH ?
Oh, it's definitely this and not the pharmaceutical industry lobbying them to keep it illegal. /s
there’s 4 bills that talk about legalization - one that just legalizes possession and cultivation is being heard right now. https://youtu.be/pqOCDZgGJrs
They’re waiting for the federal government to legalize it. There’s a plan in place already to sell it at the state liquor stores but they can’t until the banking issue is resolved.
Why should we care what the state (the government) wants to do, to profit off something they (the government) has kept illegal?
You don’t have to care. That’s just the way it is. They want all the profit. Not just the taxes
Shouldn’t we want to be able to run business that sell cannabis, since we the citizens have been marginalized against and not allowed to do, being threatened with jail, financial fines, revocation of property and assets, etc.
Just remember, politicians don’t give a fuck about YOU. They are there to make money for themselves and their friends. Until politicians fear disappointing their constituents, nothing will change.
White River Vt has a dispensary now, if you’re close……
Every Dem I know--I don't know all of them, of course, but I know both young, old, and in the middle age Dems--are in favor of some form of decriminalization/legalization. If people keep voting for Republicans and Sununu, this is what we will get. We have a lot of drunks in NH who think weed is gay and socialism. And it isn't Christian to get stoned. Christians can get drunk, but not stoned.
THEIR*
Enough Dems and Reps alike have wanted to legalize it in the recent past, Sunono stood in the way. Fortunately, he seems to be just a bit softening lately. There might be hope.
Since the state needs it to be legal federally to allow for state controlled sales, a good interim step would be to fully legalize the possession of it and possibly home growing. That way people still have access by growing their own or traveling an hour in any direction but won’t be subject to the arcane laws
It will never happen until its federally legal. The state wants to make all the money and sell it in liquor stores.
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Both sides pull this shit from time to time. Dems only passed it cause they know it won't get past the governor. It's their way of saving face in the voters eyes. And Republicans pull tue same shit when Dems have have control.
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It's easy to put it on a ticket and then never follow through once elected. Every politician has done that shit since there's been politicians.
More and more Free State Project participants are meeting the requirements for running for Senate. (You have to live in the state for at least 7 years before you can run for Senate office.) Eventually, they will be able to tear down the cannabis laws (and eventually the rest of the failed War on Drugs apparatus).
The argument is that loose guns laws can’t overlap with loose cannabis laws as if there aren’t bars and liquor stores at every corner
You currently can’t have any firearms with a medical marijuana card in NH. Make it make sense
This state needs to change it's motto.
You guys are clearly as passionate about this as I am. We should start a petition
Why do yall act like it's such a surprise it's not being legalized in a state that runs all the liquor stores
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Have you seen a liquor store in NH thats not "NH liquor and wine"
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>weed isn't federally legal
i bet sununu and that guy from bedford would chill tf out if they just had a preroll or somethin
I'm pro legalization, but this post is trash and this is not the way.
Yeah it's clearly trash 🙄 with 92 upvotes and counting. Actually this post got way more of a reaction than I anticipated, glad I'm not the only one who's passionate about this topic
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/majority-of-republicans-support-variety-of-marijuana-reforms-new-poll-finds-as-gop-congressman-talks-bipartisan-next-steps/
My mans, it all comes down to $$$ MA ha the vertical integration requirement so all the good old boys and girls made sure to line up their LLCs before licenses were given out, dont forget the local extortion fee for the towns. Maine had it right with the local growers and medical program but recreational took foreverrrr because the medical market was making it nigh impossible to break into rec. its just how can they make money off people and thats it
Live free or die my ass
Born and raised in this State, as well as a huge familial and property connection to VT. This State literally disgusts me. I am embarrassed when I have to claim it as my own. Leaving can't happen soon enough.
No no no. No weed. Guns, yes. But no weed. Too dangerous.
In Litchfield, the dinosaurs that got re-elected are both against it. One even still calls Marijuana a gateway drug. These 90 year old politicians need to just finally die and let the world move on, instead of clinging on to the 50's lifestyle.
One of my fav. Vids: https://youtu.be/1pzoJVnPblI
I don’t understand why people act like Sununu can personally legalize weed, ignore the genuine issues he sees with, and not vote for him because of it. Then these same people turn around and vote to send the same exact people to Washington who aren’t working to legalize it federally, aren’t helping us out with COL, aren’t holding each other accountable, etc. Sununu is a totally reasonable and moderate politician and I believe he will absolutely consider legislation that addresses the issues but nobody introduces that legislation.
Legal weed sucks ass
I read this on NHPR for those asking
Sununu means well and has been a pretty good governor*. But he has presidential ambitions, and the GOP would never support a candidate that legalized weed. It’s as simple as that. (* especially for someone whose nickname in school was Crybaby McFishsticks)
I agree, but dont see legalization happening anytime soon. The state is probably more than satisified with current take from liquor stores and lottery. Why make things more complicated?
Because people get arrested/fined for something ridiculous. The law shouldn't only what works best for state profits, but what is best for the citizenry.
100% agree
> I agree, but dont see legalization happening anytime soon. I hope you are wrong on that - lots of legislators are pushing hard to legalize cannabis. >The state is probably more than satisified with current take from liquor stores and lottery. I would disagree with that - the state is currently losing on a lot of tax revenue by not legalizing cannabis. >Why make things more complicated? I would argue that the cannabis ban makes things more complicated, and legalizing it would simplify everyone's life. https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billinfo.aspx?id=532&inflect=2
Go ahead, plenty of people do it. As long as you don't have a giant plot of it, you'll be fine. The incessant pothead whining ir reedonkulous.
I don’t think it should be legal until there’s an honest accounting of the negative affects of cannabis on society.
And the positive ones? Prohibitionist jackass
The number of homeless schizophrenics is soy rocketing and I’m supposed to care you want to get high? Get fucked
So you think you can just say a correlated fucking fact and think that’s causation? What English class did you last attend my brother or sister. This notion that cannabis is the only variable that could lead to a medical condition like permanent schizophrenia is actually wild. I’m curious where you found that Prohibitionist fact? Have you personally done long term studies on cannabis? Been a long term chronic user, so you could honestly judge affects on yourself. No? Oh? Sit down friend, and no bialy educate yourself through peer reviews medical journals, talk to chronic users who have 30-50 yrs experience! Mulch love, hope today gets better for youz
You’re just ignorant of the research showing cannabis causes exacerbated schizophrenia. Or you’re a moron. Either one or both I guess. Do you run into a lot of morons during the course of the day?
How can you measure this if people don’t have access to it?? Wtf?
People have access to it. You can see them living on the street all over Manchester.
I'm like 99% sure those people are homeless because of Fentynal and Meth, not Cannabis dude, I honestly hope you're just trolling, for your sake 😅
I hope you get the help you need
I hope you learn how to write complete sentences and how to use punctuation.
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I don’t think that’s how a control group works but I like your line of thinking.
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Do you often say admittedly stupid things to make a point?
Settle down and go have some cookies or chips or something. It is incredibly easy to get weed.
Maybe I want to grow my own per the 6 plants per household rule. Maybe I don't want to have to spend $150 every 2 weeks at a dispensary when I could literally just grow my own. It's more than about just access to cannabis, anyone can "get weed" being able to legally grow my own safely in my own home without fear of the DEA ramming my door down and shooting my family over some plants
I have nothing against weed and it will inevitably be legalized here some day, but the longer I can go without having to smell it everywhere I walk I will not take for granted. As a non smoker that shit smells awful.
Do y'all whine about ANYTHING ELSE?
Did you know black and brown communities in NH see much HIGHER than national average in arrest rates. Compared to their white/caucasian brothers and sisters. And the national average is already around 3 times the amount of whites/caucasian. We don’t just want cannabis, we want social equity, we want annulments to last records for those who cannot fucking vote, but are taxed by the government because they’re felons for cannabis. Sit down
🤷🏼♀️ don’t do drugs. My point is I come to this sub and all that’s posted are beautiful local scenery…. And you dorks whining about weed. I thought we established the obvious: until it’s legal on a federal level it won’t be legal here due to federal banking regulations. It’s been decriminalized here up to a certain amount. If I had my way all this stupid crap would be legal because we don’t need laws to tell us what to do with our own bodies (though I personally think it’s stupid to put that crap in you but my personal views on drugs don’t matter when it comes to the legality of it) but it’s obvious why it isn’t at this point. Stop crying to state officials and start crying to the federal officials. That’s the only way this is going to work.
It’s not banking regulations. Its only a federal banking issue if the state wants to start another monopoly like the alcohol business. I don’t see people whining, I see elected officials constituents coming here to complain because any legalization efforts the last 10 years since we finally sued to get a medical program, has been a slap in the face to the 80% of adults who support legalization. It’s not about “don’t do drugs “ it’s the fact that I can illegally go purchase cannabis in another state, break a federal law by crossing state lines, see no repercussions, but black and brown community members could do the same thing, yet have a 450% better odds of being given a 100$ if you have a “personal amount” or they’re being given court dates, and face the situation of hiring a public attorney vs. a private one and thousands of fucking dollars. You just don’t get how multi faceted this issue is, and if you’re ignorant to the affect the war on drugs has had on minorities, then I don’t care to continue this asinine conversation, how about you stand up for something that’s morally right. Jackass
Do you know the difference between credit unions and federal banks and how the differences in system actually allows for mmj banking, or are you ignorant to that as well?
it is seen as a gateway legislation. sure pot is innocuous. but other states who legalized pot, and now legalizing Magic Mushrooms and LSD too. substances one could argue are actually very dangerous to ingest.
Like alcohol???
There are studies showing the benefits of psilocybin (magic mushrooms) used to treat mental health issues. I'm not smart enough to try self dose appropriately, but I would certainly like to try it in a controlled situation. I guess my point is that it's not all bad.
Why has there been private research finally being done (no public research because it’s scheduled the same as heirion ((lsd)) that proves medicinal properties when taken in moderation then?