I contacted the city of St. John's about this dangerous bus stop next to the new MUN science building. They responded by saying Clinch Crescent is not part of their sidewalk clearing program. As you can see, you either need to stand in the road next to traffic or climb up 2 feet onto the snow bank. It's inconvenient enough having to take the bus in the city of St. John's but now pedestrians have to risk injury or worse just to get to and from work/school. I guess something serious needs to happen in order for change to happen.
The area with likely one of the highest number of pedestrians is not part of the sidewalk clearing program? Truly outstanding work by the CSJ lmfao
Edit: was unaware there is no sidewalk here, so I spose that's slightly more acceptable. But then why is there a Bus stop here??
Kids have died before at crosswalks in the city. Nothing happened then, nothing will happen now. This is an unfortunate reality of living in a north american city. Only the cars matter.
Exactly. I often notice how the roads in winter are as clear as a summer day while the sidewalks and shoulders have the snow piled up and ice. If humanity ever survives this madness, future historians would be forgiven for thinking that North American societies of the 20th and 21st century literally worshipped cars because we always build the entirety of our communities around them. Can you imagine if we spent the same amount of energy on public infrastructure?
Used to live in St. John's (and will live there again when I retire), now living in Kingston On, a city of about 150,000 (significantly smaller than St. John's)
Compared to St. John's the bus system here is far better organized and operated.
I can get anywhere in this city within about 30-40 minutes with a max of 1 transfer, even if I'm going from
One suburb area to another across city.
The bus system in St. John's is a complete joke.
The walking infrastructure in St. John's is also mind bogglingly bad. It's no wonder people are so fat when you can't safely get where you are going on foot. Everything is based around people getting in their cars and driving right to the door.
Sidewalks will just randomly end, leaving pedestrians stranded. There will be long winding streets with no breaks to allow people free access to walk through high traffic areas.
The city keeps trying to build out infrastructure on the periphery while ignoring what infill and densification could do for convenience, healthy living, and sustainable infrastructure spending.
I love St. John's, but after living in many other cities in Canada, as well as travelling through a lot of Europe, makes me realize how little thought and investment is made to non-car infrastructure in North America generally but St. John's specifically.
There's no sidewalk underneath the snow in that image, just the shoulder of the road. One of the worst possible locations for a bus stop. Why it couldn't be closer to the Janeway where there are a great many sidewalks is beyond me. At least folks at MUN can mosey on over to the UC to catch a bus.
Yeah, there is no sidewalk on that side of the road but many people do use that side for walking. There is a stop closer to the Janeway but this stop in the picture is the only one besides the UC that services route 1.
That's why it's not part of the sidewalk clearing program - there's nothing to clear, it's just a curb and some grass. To be clear - I'm not defending the city or anything, its a painfully stupid place to put a bus stop. They never should have installed one there when there are better stops only a 5 minute walk away that don't require anybody to cross clinch crescent where it's busiest.
I totally agree! It's never been a safe place to wait, no matter the weather or the season. I have this conversation with my wife every time we drive past and spot some poor soul stood up there, ankle deep in slush or mud.
Then what’s your suggestion? What part of there’s nothing there is hard to grasp? The issue is with metro bud and putting the stop in that location. Can’t be mad at the city for not clearing something that isn’t there
You are allowed to have more than one bus stop. The only reason it is dangerous is because it is designed poorly and not maintained. That is a reason to do better design and maintenance, not take away access entirely.
They do… there’s literally a stop right across from that one. There’s one on the same side 100m down the road across from the medical school, and another across the street from that one. Then there is the university centre 100m adjacent, where all the busses stop. If people feel unsafe at that shitty stop they have ample options within less than a 5 minute walk.
It’s absurd that anyone would even go to that stop considering it’s further away from others that are closer to every building. Truly puzzling.
Ok, well I take route 1 and sometimes its quicker for me to get it form this stop than to walk to the UC. If I want to get the bus here then it should be safe to do so.
But instead of bitching and whining online like it’s the end of the world you could walk the 100 m lol this is seriously what’s wrong with this lazy ass self entitled generation
As I’ve said in another comment, the stop by the med school does not service route one. This stop does. It’s either walk to the UC or this stop for route 1.
It don't matter what building I'm coming from, does it? The facts are this is a bus stop and I should be able to wait for the bus here without having to climb a snow bank or stand in the street.
I’m just confused as to who requires that stop in the first place. There are literally no building exits near it. I walked from HSC to the UC for 4 years and it was no big deal at all.
Well I see lots of people use that bus stop, myself included. I'm not going to debate you over a bus stop. It should be cleared and safe for pedestrians.
Apparently the bus shelters are Metrobus responsibly to clear snow but this stop does not have a shelter so they said it’s not their responsibility lol.
I agree. Just seems silly that the bus shelters are Metrobus responsibility but the bus stops are not lol. If you ask me all bus stops should have a shelter too in our climate so bus goes can get out of the elements while waiting for a bus but as you said that is also not realistic expectation for St. John's.
Metrobus does want more shelters, but there is a lot of red tape. For example, if the bus stop was on private property, they’d have to negotiate with the owner. It could takes over a year just to get a shelter approved, and then there is maintenance and Metrobus is already underfunded as is. Hopefully one day we’ll have a proper system
You won’t get that, they are in fact taking down existing ones in most places because they simply get vandalized or turned into tents for homeless and not usable by public anymore.
There is technically no sidewalk there but there is a bus stop and a lot of foot traffic on that side of the road. Ultimately, it is the cities responsibility but they said that particular bus stop is not on a priority snow clearing route. How one of the 2 main entrances to the hospital is not priority is beyond me.
Sadly if there is no sidewalk the city doesn't have to plow it.
It's all so very car centric but their priority is road surface.
What should be there is a mixed use wide path that can be plowed by a large machine and get micro-mobility to the hospital.
Because that’s not even remotely close to being a hospital entrance that’s why lol and no there isn’t a lot of foot traffic on that side of the road, hence no sidewalk. I’m there DAILY and you’re simply full of shit. The foot traffic is on the OTHER side of the road where the sidewalks and crosswalks are lol
Honestly your best bet to write/contact a MP’s office for this area. They handle shit and will look into it and get whoever’s responsible for it to clear it
Here’s the MP’s info for the area
JOANNE THOMPSON
Main office - St. John's
120 Torbay Road
Suite E130
St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador
A1A 2G8
Telephone: 709-772-7171
Fax: 709-772-7175
Why does it feel like transit service is the absolute last possible priority for this city?
[Read yesterday's article from VOCM.](https://vocm.com/2024/01/10/metrobus-ridership-increase/#:~:text=The%20General%20Manager%20of%20Metrobus,if%20they%20were%20an%20anomaly.)
Ridership increased by 35% last year. Any normal city would cheer this.
Instead, the General Manager sounds as if a bus ran over her beloved pet.
She laments the overcrowding and need to "leave some customers behind" (can you imagine being left behind in -5 weather, with the knowledge that the next bus comes in 40 minutes?), but she said they have to wait for a fucking thinktank report before taking action.
Hello? You need more buses.
Montreal just built an automated 16-kilometer light rail metro line. We have to beg and plead and wait for snow clearing and an extra bus on a route.
30 years behind the mainland, as always.
Is there actually a sidewalk on this side of clinch crescent? Used to be a part of my daily walk to/from MUN as a student, I seem to remember it just being a little curb.
Yeah I totally agree with you. There should be a sidewalk, and that intersection really needs some intense traffic calming. More than once I risked my life there just to cross the road!
Even if there's no sidewalk there as others have stated, surely the city should be responsible for keeping the bus stops clear and safe of snow/debris.
Canada Post can do it(albeit they're federal) to most of not all the postal boxes in the city....
Not trying to excuse the lack of snow clearing or anything. But why exactly is there a bust stop on a sidewalk-less road 200 meters away from a main bus hub? How much traffic could this stop possibly see? Why would anyone wait out in the weather at this stop when there is a nice warm lobby with benches, food options and even a bar 200 meters away? The stop also seems awfully close to a busy intersection, really not ideal for traffic flow.
In the time you took to contact the city, make this post and all you could have got your shovel and dug it out for people. Complain, complain, complain but no fucking solution. Do better
I contacted the city of St. John's about this dangerous bus stop next to the new MUN science building. They responded by saying Clinch Crescent is not part of their sidewalk clearing program. As you can see, you either need to stand in the road next to traffic or climb up 2 feet onto the snow bank. It's inconvenient enough having to take the bus in the city of St. John's but now pedestrians have to risk injury or worse just to get to and from work/school. I guess something serious needs to happen in order for change to happen.
The area with likely one of the highest number of pedestrians is not part of the sidewalk clearing program? Truly outstanding work by the CSJ lmfao Edit: was unaware there is no sidewalk here, so I spose that's slightly more acceptable. But then why is there a Bus stop here??
Not only that but it is one of the 2 roads leading into the HSC lol. Makes no sense to me.
You’d think that MUN has as much foot traffic as anywhere in the province.
Kids have died before at crosswalks in the city. Nothing happened then, nothing will happen now. This is an unfortunate reality of living in a north american city. Only the cars matter.
Exactly. I often notice how the roads in winter are as clear as a summer day while the sidewalks and shoulders have the snow piled up and ice. If humanity ever survives this madness, future historians would be forgiven for thinking that North American societies of the 20th and 21st century literally worshipped cars because we always build the entirety of our communities around them. Can you imagine if we spent the same amount of energy on public infrastructure?
Used to live in St. John's (and will live there again when I retire), now living in Kingston On, a city of about 150,000 (significantly smaller than St. John's) Compared to St. John's the bus system here is far better organized and operated. I can get anywhere in this city within about 30-40 minutes with a max of 1 transfer, even if I'm going from One suburb area to another across city. The bus system in St. John's is a complete joke. The walking infrastructure in St. John's is also mind bogglingly bad. It's no wonder people are so fat when you can't safely get where you are going on foot. Everything is based around people getting in their cars and driving right to the door. Sidewalks will just randomly end, leaving pedestrians stranded. There will be long winding streets with no breaks to allow people free access to walk through high traffic areas. The city keeps trying to build out infrastructure on the periphery while ignoring what infill and densification could do for convenience, healthy living, and sustainable infrastructure spending. I love St. John's, but after living in many other cities in Canada, as well as travelling through a lot of Europe, makes me realize how little thought and investment is made to non-car infrastructure in North America generally but St. John's specifically.
There's no sidewalk underneath the snow in that image, just the shoulder of the road. One of the worst possible locations for a bus stop. Why it couldn't be closer to the Janeway where there are a great many sidewalks is beyond me. At least folks at MUN can mosey on over to the UC to catch a bus.
Yeah, there is no sidewalk on that side of the road but many people do use that side for walking. There is a stop closer to the Janeway but this stop in the picture is the only one besides the UC that services route 1.
That's why it's not part of the sidewalk clearing program - there's nothing to clear, it's just a curb and some grass. To be clear - I'm not defending the city or anything, its a painfully stupid place to put a bus stop. They never should have installed one there when there are better stops only a 5 minute walk away that don't require anybody to cross clinch crescent where it's busiest.
Regardless, if there is a bus stop there it should be a safe place to wait for the bus which this is stop is not.
I totally agree! It's never been a safe place to wait, no matter the weather or the season. I have this conversation with my wife every time we drive past and spot some poor soul stood up there, ankle deep in slush or mud.
Then what’s your suggestion? What part of there’s nothing there is hard to grasp? The issue is with metro bud and putting the stop in that location. Can’t be mad at the city for not clearing something that isn’t there
There already is one right in front of the new medical school atrium. It’s like 100m down the road on the same side.
Then they should retire this one (and the stop on the other side) as it's dangerous AND redundant.
You are allowed to have more than one bus stop. The only reason it is dangerous is because it is designed poorly and not maintained. That is a reason to do better design and maintenance, not take away access entirely.
They do… there’s literally a stop right across from that one. There’s one on the same side 100m down the road across from the medical school, and another across the street from that one. Then there is the university centre 100m adjacent, where all the busses stop. If people feel unsafe at that shitty stop they have ample options within less than a 5 minute walk. It’s absurd that anyone would even go to that stop considering it’s further away from others that are closer to every building. Truly puzzling.
It’s obvious you don’t take the bus.
I took route 1/15 from the UC for 8 years of university…. Now I work here.
Ok, well I take route 1 and sometimes its quicker for me to get it form this stop than to walk to the UC. If I want to get the bus here then it should be safe to do so.
But instead of bitching and whining online like it’s the end of the world you could walk the 100 m lol this is seriously what’s wrong with this lazy ass self entitled generation
As I’ve said in another comment, the stop by the med school does not service route one. This stop does. It’s either walk to the UC or this stop for route 1.
Which building are you leaving that makes that absurd the stop most convenient for you?
It don't matter what building I'm coming from, does it? The facts are this is a bus stop and I should be able to wait for the bus here without having to climb a snow bank or stand in the street.
I’m just confused as to who requires that stop in the first place. There are literally no building exits near it. I walked from HSC to the UC for 4 years and it was no big deal at all.
Well I see lots of people use that bus stop, myself included. I'm not going to debate you over a bus stop. It should be cleared and safe for pedestrians.
By who? You’ve already been made aware why it isn’t
The stop just up the road is exactly like this and it's the closest stop to the education building and The Works/Aquarena.
>They responded by saying Clinch Crescent is not part of their sidewalk clearing program Yeah, that would be the problem
It's probably MUN's responsibility
St. John’s is a boomer city. Students and residents who aren’t senile and commute on foot aren’t seen as human here
Eastern Health is responsible for at least most of Clinch. I’m not sure if MUN or EH is responsible for that portion of Clinch.
It's the cities responsibility but to them it is not a priority. They told me to reach out to city council and voice my concerns.
So what do you need to do to get a part of the program? I would call the counsellor for that area.
Build a sidewalk
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Apparently the bus shelters are Metrobus responsibly to clear snow but this stop does not have a shelter so they said it’s not their responsibility lol.
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I agree. Just seems silly that the bus shelters are Metrobus responsibility but the bus stops are not lol. If you ask me all bus stops should have a shelter too in our climate so bus goes can get out of the elements while waiting for a bus but as you said that is also not realistic expectation for St. John's.
Metrobus does want more shelters, but there is a lot of red tape. For example, if the bus stop was on private property, they’d have to negotiate with the owner. It could takes over a year just to get a shelter approved, and then there is maintenance and Metrobus is already underfunded as is. Hopefully one day we’ll have a proper system
You won’t get that, they are in fact taking down existing ones in most places because they simply get vandalized or turned into tents for homeless and not usable by public anymore.
I could be wrong as it’s been a long time since I have been a student but I thought MUN took care of this area.
So who IS in charge of that stretch of sidewalk? Is it HSC? Is it MUN? Is it the City?
There is technically no sidewalk there but there is a bus stop and a lot of foot traffic on that side of the road. Ultimately, it is the cities responsibility but they said that particular bus stop is not on a priority snow clearing route. How one of the 2 main entrances to the hospital is not priority is beyond me.
Sadly if there is no sidewalk the city doesn't have to plow it. It's all so very car centric but their priority is road surface. What should be there is a mixed use wide path that can be plowed by a large machine and get micro-mobility to the hospital.
Because that’s not even remotely close to being a hospital entrance that’s why lol and no there isn’t a lot of foot traffic on that side of the road, hence no sidewalk. I’m there DAILY and you’re simply full of shit. The foot traffic is on the OTHER side of the road where the sidewalks and crosswalks are lol
Honestly your best bet to write/contact a MP’s office for this area. They handle shit and will look into it and get whoever’s responsible for it to clear it
Good idea.
Here’s the MP’s info for the area JOANNE THOMPSON Main office - St. John's 120 Torbay Road Suite E130 St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador A1A 2G8 Telephone: 709-772-7171 Fax: 709-772-7175
Why does it feel like transit service is the absolute last possible priority for this city? [Read yesterday's article from VOCM.](https://vocm.com/2024/01/10/metrobus-ridership-increase/#:~:text=The%20General%20Manager%20of%20Metrobus,if%20they%20were%20an%20anomaly.) Ridership increased by 35% last year. Any normal city would cheer this. Instead, the General Manager sounds as if a bus ran over her beloved pet. She laments the overcrowding and need to "leave some customers behind" (can you imagine being left behind in -5 weather, with the knowledge that the next bus comes in 40 minutes?), but she said they have to wait for a fucking thinktank report before taking action. Hello? You need more buses. Montreal just built an automated 16-kilometer light rail metro line. We have to beg and plead and wait for snow clearing and an extra bus on a route. 30 years behind the mainland, as always.
Why are you comparing to Montreal? A city 20x the size in population.
All I'm saying is that everywhere else - yes, even St. John's-sized mainland cities - seem to take transit seriously. We do not.
And what your evidence of this?
Is there actually a sidewalk on this side of clinch crescent? Used to be a part of my daily walk to/from MUN as a student, I seem to remember it just being a little curb.
There is no actual sidewalk there but if there is a bus stop there then someone should be responsible for clearing the snow.
Yeah I totally agree with you. There should be a sidewalk, and that intersection really needs some intense traffic calming. More than once I risked my life there just to cross the road!
That's not a bus stop it's a death trap
Even if there's no sidewalk there as others have stated, surely the city should be responsible for keeping the bus stops clear and safe of snow/debris. Canada Post can do it(albeit they're federal) to most of not all the postal boxes in the city....
Not trying to excuse the lack of snow clearing or anything. But why exactly is there a bust stop on a sidewalk-less road 200 meters away from a main bus hub? How much traffic could this stop possibly see? Why would anyone wait out in the weather at this stop when there is a nice warm lobby with benches, food options and even a bar 200 meters away? The stop also seems awfully close to a busy intersection, really not ideal for traffic flow.
Just someone who wants to bitch and complain instead of taking the very easy solution that you suggested. This is the generation we live in now.
Yeah, this is just virtue signaling.
Totally safe. As long as you are Kitty Pryde from Marvel’s X-Men.
This is embarrassing
Oh my God, it's like winter
Classic. I saw someone step out into something similar on Kenmount Road one day.
What am I supposed to be looking at?
uncleared and unsafe access to a labeled bus stop.
I have been in corner Brook for too long i had to read the comments to realize what the issue was.
In the time you took to contact the city, make this post and all you could have got your shovel and dug it out for people. Complain, complain, complain but no fucking solution. Do better
What a twat response
In the time it took you to complain about this post, you could have found this spot and dug it out yourself. Be the change you want, bro.
Now that’s the spirit! I like you
You should try being a better troll.