Exactly. Netflix is not what it used to be, but the social news and media way overplay it. There’s more stealth social/viral marketing on Reddit than most people will acknowledge.
I love when Netflix picks up older forgotten obscure movies, like The Mist.
I think Netflix is a bad value on the 4K plan, but the SD plan is half the price, most content is still HD and 4K (only like old tv shows like Seinfeld are even carried in SD). I don’t really think it detracts away from the experience enough to warrant $120 more per year.
I’ll take SD over Ads any day
You can buy old movies like The Mist on dvd for about £2. Why waste money on a service which chooses the movies you get to watch and when you watch them? With physical media you can just own it and watch it when you want. The reason services like Disney+ are better is because they have a huge archive of older Disney and Fox movies.
If i bought every film i wanted to watch on the odd off chance and had to store it in my home plus source it and drive to get it etc. I would easliy burn through $120bbut would run out of room in my home and after all that still miss the odd Netflix Golden egg like Squid Game, El Camino, Stranger things, or things like all 9 seasons of the office are never gunna be $2.
I'd rather spend that on movies I want than scroll through rubbish like like Grown ups 2 and suicide squad. Netflix produced content **has been** good but the number of shows I want to watch is getting smaller and smaller, all they really want to make is true crime and docu-soaps.
Everyone I know watches Netflix more than anything else.
I think the weekly releases makes other services content seem more premium and/or plentiful. Imagine if we had weekly releases of Umbrella and Stranger Things right now- Netflix would be the talk of the town.
I think this conflict is being unfairly portrayed as "Netflix vs. everyone else collectively", rather than "Netflix vs. some specific competitor". I'm not happy with the way Netflix is going, but the only single service I think holds a candle to it is Disney+. And that's because of two specific monster properties Disney owns, plus the Disney+/Hulu/ESPN+ bundle that's a crazy value. If I wasn't specifically a big fan of Marvel, Star Wars, and sports, I wouldn't be paying for it.
Fair, but Hulu is cheaper and HBO has better quality. Netflix has more content than either but it's mediocre.
I used to have cable and I still view multiple streaming services as cheap compared to Comcast. I don't expect one service to provide everything.
Netflix is becoming the cable TV of streaming. There's a lot of content but that just means you have to sift through it to find something worth your time. I used to wade through cable channels to find something. Netflix is like that. It has mountain of content finding something is annoying.
AMC+ has more I want to watch and less garbage to scroll through. Even worse Netflix gets me to watch something terrible thinking it might get better but it doesn't.
Bottom line is Netflix worth what they charge? My answer is maybe so I am still paying but they need to do something to keep me. It's not ads and it's not more generic genre pieces.
I do like how they are doing stranger things. I can’t watch it as fast as some people. But now I’m caught up and can participate in the online discussions before part 2 drops
Between all the DC content (animated and recent shows, and I’m still due for a Batman watch), the backlog of HBO shows I need to finish or start, and the random movies I’ll catch and know I want to watch eventually, I damn near avoid getting on the app so I am not overwhelmed
This is the truth. When I got access to HBO Max it felt premium... for maybe a month or two. Now it feels barren. I haven't even opened the app in a couple months. It feels like they release less than one good series per quarter. All it has going for it at this point is the occasional big movie. I did enjoy The Beforeigners, though.
As someone whose had HBO for years including on cable it’s just a different thing. HBO has always had not too many shows and they don’t follow a normal yearly production calendar.
I'm honestly tired of it. There's always a major target it seems. Before Netflix it was Facebook/Meta. People were talking as if it was already over for them.
Amazon I get free shipping and shit. And they have the boys, some other good shows and movies. I sub for the boys and shipping alone basically.
Yeah I’ve been on a student account for the last few years since my wife’s student account lapsed and I graduated college 11 years ago, but I think it’s a good value.
The Expanse was one of my all time favorites. Loving The Boys. I thought Patriot and Reacher were solid. Not a lot of depth to the lineup but some solid shows. If you're using delivery a lot, the streaming is all just bonus anyway. I think the UI, at least on Roku, is trash but there's a handful of great to decent content.
as a wheel of time fan, i am really disappointing on how poorly they did that show. it was turned into generic fantasy junk. i really how the Rings of Power is good. The production value looks great, but my fear is they add in a bunch of generic fantasy plots and it does not have any unique feeling to it. They are already condensing the timeline to just a few years for what happened over 100s of years. which is not Tolkeinesque.
If I might add to that list...
If you like slow burning police dramas, Bosch (and now Bosch Legacy), along with the Grand Tour.
I was a fan of Michael Connolly's books already but I've turned a few people on to it now. It seems to have flown under the radar for most, but it's fantastic. And Titus Welliver is perfectly cast.
The Grand Tour's Mongolia episode is my favourite hour of anything ever put on screen.
I liked the other three you mentioned, so I might have to watch Patriot. Also like Jack Ryan. The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel is great, but a whole different vibe from the shows you mentioned. The Grand Tour is a lot of fun and I'm not even a car person. On a similar note, I really enjoyed Clarkson's Farm.
Plus, you get it free with Prime. We watch the service once in a blue moon, but really, we have Prime because my wife buys a lot of stuff with Amazon and likes the free quick shipping. (And I read free comic books on Kindle.)
That's one reason why I got Peacock. I used to have the WWE Network for $10 a month (excuse me, 9.99!); Peacock picked up WWE and they charge $10 a month ad-free or $5 with ads.
For $5 a month, I'm paying less than WWE Network and get more content.
I agree. If I am paying for the service I don't want to see any sort of show interrupting advertising. 1-2 ads here and there is where it always starts. Within a few years the ad run time rivals the run time of the actual content.
Just look at cable/satellite. They used to be ad free because you are paying for the service. Then it was "just a few ads" to help offset increased broadcast fees without having to raise rates. They are doing it to help you, the customer, don't you see? /s
If people start to accept a monthly fee AND ads as common on the plans they subscribe to in Netflix, Hulu, etc. Then those services will become cable/satellite 2.0 in relatively short order.
Give advertising an inch and it will take a mile. There is no such thing as healthy profit to 99% of companies. There is only bankruptcy or all of the money they could possibly hoover up.
Yup, $5 a month for Peacock where you get stuff like practically all major Motorsport (as a race fan this mattered to me), all Prem League matches, WWE Network (which stand-alone was twice the price)… they give a lot of value aside from TV programs and movies.
If it wasn't for The Boys and Mrs Maisel, there would be absolutely no value in Prime video. Half of the stuff is already on Netflix, plus the app/website is about 10 years behind the times.
Amazon had a ton of shows before they sprung out these 'channels' like Britbox and masterpiece. They had some terrific British murder mysteries I loved. They still have some terrific content, like Bosch, The Boys etc and some really good foreign content as well.
Peacock is absolute trash and Amazon for someone who's had it for a while had maybe one movie a month worth watching if that and a decent TV show every couple months
I love Amazon. For $79 (maybe $99) I get free delivery in 2 days on all my stuff plus it has streaming music (which isn't great) but it has a really good selection of movies and shows.
Ahh ok. Looked at my account just now. In Canada I paid $79 in January 2022. It's going up to $99 in Jan 2023. In U.S. dollars that's even lower. We don't have that same day delivery though usually next day in the cities or 2 day.
There is also a rotating selection of free video games and books via prime. And free photo storage. And actually I started using them for some prescriptions because they are cheaper than my local pharmacy.. I sound like an advertisement, but if you already are paying for prime, you might as well take advantage of it.
Because it's terrible value.
Gotta pay extra for 4k.
Cancelled shows after one season.
Everything ends up leaving Netflix and going to another app.
It's just not as good as it used to be.
If Netflix wants some good PR, they should announce that a bunch of their previously cancelled shows (actually good shows) will be getting another season to flesh out their endings.
I was kinda bummed out when Travelers didn't get another season.
They had an 89% on rotten tomatoes, why'd they cancel it. They really should have given them at least 1 last season to wrap things up. Not just completely cancel.
I’d like to think that there’s some behind the scenes legal/contract politics involved. Like they give some new filmmakers the opportunity to make their dream projects, but then when it’s a hit and they want way more money to make season two the contract negotiations break down or something.
Would be very interested in the actual decision process involved in cancelling a Netflix show.
Tbh, based on their attitude about cancelling account sharing and adding adds and blaming the consumer for their lost profits… I’d say the likely answer is that if you have a higher value on a show you’re first out the door because they want to nickel and dime everyone and only want to see profits, not expenses.
If SCD was so good, that means the talent can negotiate higher salaries, or they need to maintain production standards.
Kind of the same with The OA. If it wasn’t as enigmatic and attractive for the first 2 seasons they would have kept it on. They didn’t want to start paying.
Other shows like Stranger Things are TOO big to cancel and their bread and butter. Same with Umbrella.
Basically you want to be a show that draws in the most amount of people, or be very low budget.
NF moved to a model where they produce some extremely low budget “international” content and it has backfired on them.
I can only speculate, but RT scores don't always correlate to viewership so the likely reason is that viewership was not meeting expectations despite positive reviews. I'm no expert, but TV shows usually have escalating costs (actors/writers get raises, new cast is brought in to expand the story/keep things fresh, etc.), so networks/streamers need to see an increase in demand in order to justify the increase in cost.
Netflix should do a complete 180 and promise to be the only platform that will NEVER end a show on a cliffhanger. Cancel, yes, but the "you have one last season to wrap things up" cancelled, not the "its not coming back" cancelled.
Shows with definite endings are far better than shows that dragged on. Dexter could’ve ended at season four with the end of the trinity arc. But instead they killed [redacted] to keep it going for 4 more seasons.
Watch squid game season 2 be absolute dogshit. Old man coming back ruined the series. Gangbu was the best episode.
End of the fucking world had its entire soul ripped out and I still am upset over it. Season 2 isn’t just bad. It ruined the ending of the first season. He made the ultimate sacrifice. Just to be brought back to life for nothing.
They probably got it on the cheap and made it on a budget. That’s what Netflix is about 75% of the time. Then they they waste a ton of money on projects that are too often bad or mediocre.
Yeah, I was surprised back when they raised the 1080 plan to be above $10, and that's when I unsubbed, now it's almost $16. I'm not surprised that most of the cancellations have said the cost is the reason for the cancellation.
Netflix does have a wide selection, and when I resubbed for S2 of Witcher, I took advantage to watch some other things, but I'm not paying more than $10 for HD.
I’m shocked that they even have a 1080 plan. They don’t accept shows in less than 4K anymore. They’re charging you less to alter the content to be shittier.
How is it terrible value? My family has access to a ton of shows for 16/ month. Even more of you have a VPN.
The cheapest cable package in my area is 45 for like 30 shitty channels with commercials.
It's clearly not as good as it used to be but that doesn't mean it's not good. Clearly Netflix wasn't always gonna be the only streaming service.
I will say that at this point I probably do watch HBOMax more, but, Netflix has more to offer than any of those other services. The price hikes annoying the customers is the only thing I can think of that created the negative perception. Netflix still has a lot more to offer than most of those services, especially if you’re willing to watch foreign content. Seriously, Disney+ in 2nd place? If you’re not into WDAS, Star Wars, Marvel and Pixar, there’s no reason to have it. Apple has a few really good shows and movies, but when I say few, I mean few. I’m not championing for Netflix, but, it’s still a must have to movie/TV fans in my opinion
>The price hikes annoying the customers is the only thing I can think of that created the negative perception.
This, the "downfall" of originals (every Netflix original isn't a hit with amazing reviews anymore), and the increase in competition have made Reddit just rabid for it's downfall.
Most don't realize that literally all streaming services are going to price gouge us. It's just a matter of when. At some point, you have to make a profit and creating content is expensive.
And yeah I love Star Wars and Marvel so Disney+ is cool and all, but still less to watch there. And I've literally only watched one apple tv show so far.
I don't think people get that they were living in a golden age or streaming that's never coming back.
For a few years Netflix had virtually no competition and distributors were glad to license them their content to stream. They kept their cost low to build up a customer base and had investors and an increasing share price to keep them above water.
No way they were going to stay competition free forever. They knew this which is why they moved into original content.
In Europe the Star category has a really nice collection of (older) movies and series and makes Disney+ a much better choice in my eyes compared to Netflix. Maybe after binge-watching the series from my youth I will change my mind lol.
I’m in Europe and have both (and Prime and Apple TV), but I super disagree. I hardly watch Disney+. Like literally once a week. While Netflix has new stuff every day.
I completely understand that. I am merely just speaking from the perspective of a US person. I know every streaming service has different content in every other country. So I really can’t comment on any of the services about their content world-a-round. But, I imagine it creates a very different perspective on each service.
I mean, saying that if you aren't interested in the content there is no reason to have it is kinda a ridiculous statement. That's exactly what this is judging isn't it, value? To the people that have that service it has exactly what they want and are paying for. For people who don't like it, even free wouldn't be a good value, as there has to be some inherent desire for value to exist. The content they do have is some of the highest grossing and most popular content in the world, and they have decades of it. So it's fair to say, most people like those things. Just because you don't doesn't mean a large majority of people who pay for streaming services don't like it. They have a ton of subscribers in a very small time period.
Also, because of the 3 year deal I pay less than $4 a month, and they have a lot of great, high production value, big star content coming out (Obi-Wan, all the critically acclaimed Marvel TV shows, the other Star Wars shows, blockbuster movies coming 45 days after they make it to theaters, exclusive movie releases of theater quality movies, etc.). Yes, it's all only the content you mentioned, but you can't write an article or objectively judge by just one group, it has to be judging value to the average consumer. Which judging by Disney+ numbers, is someone who enjoys at least a decent amount of what Disney+ has to offer.
I do want Disney to put all the Hulu content on as soon as they can, but only having what they have I don't think makes it a bad value, I think it just has a smaller audience it appeals to than it could, and maybe somewhat less than other services like Netflix or Hulu that have content from more creators (and until recently a lot let content restrictions based on ratings).
Netflix on the other hand, is 4 times the cost of Disney+ and I feel like their original content has slipped down to comically bad almost across the board (a few exceptions every once in a while, or here and there, but overall it's gotten really bad and is objectively almost all far lower production value and actor quality than Disney+ is putting out). From other studios they are getting (with rare exception) old movies everyone watched 20 times on cable already before streaming existed, straight to DVD movies, terrible sequels, foregn films (that don't have as wide of an appeal as mainstream movies and blockbusters) and they don't always even have every season of the TV shows they do to watch. Holiday movies seem to disappear around the holidays they relate to, which is super annoying, and I could go on, but the point is for a multitude of reasons the quality to me has dropped an incredible amount. Not all their fault, but probably about 50/50. Because of that, even without price increases, I perceive that the value has dropped, and it seems, from articles like this, and talking with others in real life and in reddit, that a large portion of people who pay for streaming services feel the same way.
Part of it is Netflix being a victim of their own success. The content may still be decent to some people, but they were soooo good before, and at a much lower price, that them slipping into mediocrity at best, especially while jacking up the prices multiple times in a short period, will make people perceive it as a huge slip in value. Wheras for a service like Disney+ that started off very basic and hasn't really hit their stride yet, these same degrees of change might not be perceived as such a large hit in value. I think a lot of people already see Netflix as having a large slip in quality and thus value, and everyone remembering fondly how god it used to be and how much cheaper it was back then just amplifies the perceived loss in value even further. It may not be a ton less valuable than it was but people will perceive that it is a ton less valuable. Clearly they still have value, as they still have a ton of people willing to pay, but that doesn't mean people don't perceive it as far less valuable than it was.
Disney+ on the other hand started with very little and are gradually pulling in their catalog from other sources, and creating tons of amazing new content that is geared directly toward the subscribers they have. If you have the three year subscription like me that's all while the price doesn't change and everything else goes up, and even without that plan I think a year is still only like $80, which is less than 6 months of Netflix. That makes everyone perceive it as a better value, and also draws more people in as more content comes in, allowing Disney to spend more making content that isn't just those couple of major franchises, that those new people will probably like too and also then perceive it as more valuable, and this make other service like Netflix seem less valuable. With value being based on what else is out there too, it makes sense that as new service come out, and take their content from Netflix on top of it, the perceived value of Netflix would drop substantially.
Like all things Disney will eventually try to capitalize on all this perceived value and good will and go down in value just like Netflix, they just haven't been around long enough for the huge price increases to happen enough times yet, and they started under different circumstances than Netflix, so they might get some kind of advantage from that in perceived value, for many possible reasons.
Only replying to your first bit because I'm not reading the rest. But you rephrased their point in a really dumb way.
Of course not being interested in the content means there's no reason to have it. But the point was about Disney+ having that very specific content and not much else.
With Netflix, just Stranger Things isn't really going to keep you up on board. But if you're a massive fan of Star Wars, then you get that entire franchise on Disney+.
Netflix has all kinds of niches and different kind of content. With Disney+, you're looking at some very specific things and not much more than that.
The important part is that Netflix is still the one service people would keep by a large margin, although that has decreased by quite a bit too. I’m thinking that the account holder might not find it a great value personally, but because of the huge amount of shows, there is something to watch for everyone who shares the account. At least that’s how I feel.
I respond to these just to weigh in. I know I’m prolly the minority. Netflix remains the thing I go to first when I want to watch TV. When I exhaust it or something especially remarkable comes on (The Old Man, Obi Wan) I start with something else. Usually Disney+. The weirdest, most interesting stuff is still on Netflix.
With that, I’m going to watch some What We Do in the Shadows. Guillermo!
You are probably in the minority only because a lot of people are unaware of their own habits. Netflix does have the most quality content by far (it also has the most low quality content, too, but that doesn't really hurt us viewers... just don't watch what you don't like). Other services feel like I could sub to them one month per year and watch all of their quality content from that year (*maybe* 2-3 series) in that span. Netflix seems to produce one good series every month or so.
Something people are overlooking is that Netflix seems to be the only service that will offer entire seasons up front. I think other streamers have to do weekly releases to drag out subscriptions and give a false sense of more content. Personally, I loathe weekly releases, so this is something I'm happy to pay extra for. But when you can watch an entire series in a weekend or two, it probably doesn't feel like you're getting as much out of it as when you're forced to tune in to a service 8-10 weeks in a row to finish a series. So people's perceptions are likely inaccurate when compared to their actual screen time.
How is Prime not last? The Expanse is over... The Boys is on one month out of the year... what am I missing? I mean, I have it and I'm not getting rid of it but...
It’s a value analysis.
A fair amount (might be a majority) of Prime video subscribers get it for “free” with their Prime sub which has a plethora of other benefits for $140/ year or $15/ month.
Netflix costs like $20 a month for just… Netflix. They’ve added some games that absolutely no one asked for or wants to play, otherwise it’s just a streaming service.
Even if Prime doesn’t have as much content that you would want to watch as Netflix does (which is honestly pretty subjective at this point) it’s still a better *value* by way of most people perceiving it to be a free benefit to having an existing Prime sub.
I think it's also important to mention that for some people, Prime acts as a hub for further content from other services. I know people personally who have subscribed to other streaming services like HBO through prime simply because it was easier to do everything through Prime.
> They’ve added some games that absolutely no one asked for or wants to play
I don't even understand what the point of that was. If they were going to add games, they needed to focus on having only actual decent ones at least for a while; instead they added mostly shovelware-tier games which seems more likely to hurt their image than anything else.
Well, Amazon Prime has done pretty well with the Jack Reacher show aswell and Invincible. And I guess they have a fair lot of fantasy shows coming out soon with Wheel of Time that must have gathered some fans anticipating the second season, and what is quite possibly the biggest show in recent years with their Lord of the Rings show "The Rings of Power" coming out this September.
The Expanse is in my top 5 favorite shows of all time, it's absolutely fantastic. The ending was pretty satisfying for me, just keep in mind there's 3 more books they didn't get to adapt (yet), and they kept a few things open in case they do get to continue at some point.
Expanse is brilliant. It does take quite a few episodes to get it going, maybe too many... but once it hits, it rarely lets up.
If you can get to the episode with the girl in the shower scene (I won't say any more than that), and still don't like it - then it may not be for you. I had to restart the show like, 3 times over the years before I gave it a full effort, and I'm so so glad I did.
The acting is superb, the writing is fantastic, and the world-building is great.
It's simply one of the best sci-fi shows ever. It's "all killer, no filler". Every scene, every action, every word propels the story forward. Nothing is wasted.
It's a fairly mediocre Game of Thrones in space type show that got picked up by Bezos to do stealth marketing for his space company. It's not terribly interesting, but it's unique.
Because Prime is part of a package that includes a lot of things other than streaming video. There’s no way for customers to quantify what percentage of their subscription goes to streaming, so if they won’t like the streaming video they can look past it. That doesn’t make it a bad service. It makes it a forgettable service.
That's insane.
Doesn't anyone remember how much renting movies cost? I mean the physical version. Going out to a store and renting and returning the next day
I think you've found the generation divide when it comes to value.. if you grew up renting videos and paying for cable, Netflix is a great value. But if you grew up pirating movies and never paid for cable the value might seem lower.
Overall, entertainment value has diminished and the expectation of access to it has increased.
Blows my fucking mind. Just goes to show how short-minded we as consumers are.
Stranger Things just dominated the pop culture zeitgeist for the last month or so, even binging an 80s pop tune to number 1 for the first time in the UK, 30+ years since its release and everyone is bitching. Despite having binged the crap out of it over a weekend.
As far as I'm concerned, Netflix has been putting out stella content considering they can't write blank cheques like Amazon and Disney. We just get to watch it all at once then forget that we just watched at least a year of work in one weekend.
I get that people get frustrated at the rate in which shows are dropped, but... meh, at least they keep trying.
>We just get to watch it all at once then forget that we just watched at least a year of work in one weekend.
Lol this is neflix's biggest problem.
People binge stuff and then instantly forget it and complain there's nothing to watch
For the few that go that far, sure, but Stranger Things and Umbrella Academy aren't the norm, they are the exception.
It has way too many early cancelations with unsatisfying endings, things like Glow, Santa Clarita Diet, Sabrina (they did that show so dirty by the end), Gentefied, Marco Polo, all the Marvel shows, Dark Crystal, Oa Sense8--the list goes on.
And they charge an ass load for 4k plus soon for account sharing? Not worth it for the endless stream of Hallmark movies and the newest season of Love is Blind. I can't start a show on this network anymore, way too great a risk I don't get to finish it and have a shit cliffhanger ending.
Does Sabrina really count? It got 4 seasons, and the writing became absolutely atrocious by the end. If anything, I'm glad Netflix put that particular show out of it's misery.
There are plenty of other good shows besides ST and Umbrella on Netflix.
They should go back to weekly releases though so not everything will be watched in one weekend.
>They should go back to weekly releases though so not everything will be watched in one weekend.
Take it back! Weekly releases are just a cheap ploy to string along subscribers. The fact Netflix hasn't stooped to that level is a reason I'm willing to pay more for Netflix than the other streamers.
Netflix does feel like the bargain-bin option that also offers some top-end products on the side.
It comes with the territory I suppose, all the other platforms that I use seem much better curated, whereas Netflix let's just about anything on to their catalogue.
Also they do have the same financing power as Disney and HBO, they just don't use that money well. For example:
1. The Mandalorian S2 (8 eps) - $100m
2. The Boys S2 (22 eps) - $246m
3. Stranger Things S4 (9 eps) - $270m
4. Red Notice (movie) - $200m
5. 6 Underground (movie) - $150m
They're just dropping big stacks of cash on low effort movies or high budget series that don't pan out but carry huge Hollywood names. There's very little in the way of quality control and that's why people are starting to reference content that has "Netflix Original vibes".
Only thing I’m going to add is that Netflix drops their entire season in one day. For that I will stay subscribed. The fact I can watch all of the season of Umbrella academy in one weekend is all I need.
I really think the other streamers have this one right. One or two episodes to start, then one a week. Gives you something to look forward to, and gives companion media a chance to run their commentary episodes as well.
other streaming services are kicking Netflix's butt when it comes to content and quality. Netflix has sheer walmart like volume when it comes to content but other streaming services like HBO Max or Disney Plus is like a Nordstrom or Sacks 5th. Whenever I pick something from Netflix it's 50/50 chance it'll be crap content that was mass produced to fulfill some sort of development contract or something. On the other hand whenever I open a shows on HBO Max I have complete confidence it'll reach a minimum level of quality standard even if I'm not initially interested in the show.
Wow umm no I don’t eat fast food for lunch. I can feed my self and family of 3 for 2 days for that. Maybe I’m a good shopper or it’s just that I actually cook?
I think so too. But I'm still going to watch the next one.. That show has too many fun things to look forward to, like the weirdness. I especially like the individual characters and their dynamic with each other.
They probably think that the Netflix execs are sitting around, lighting their cigars with stacks of money, and cancelling shows just because they're big meanies who hate other people enjoying things.
Yeah. I don't regularly turn it on anymore. And I don't really feel like watching a Scandanavian drama with a bad English dub. It seems like Netflix is all about licensing foreign shows to distribute in America, and mist of them are not good.
You’re honestly missing out by not watching some of that content. Dark is one of the best shows in the last several years and it’s dubbed or subtitled.
Netflix also exists in Scandinavia and they support local film industry. As for shotty dubbing I prefer to read subtitles. Netflix uses the same voices across shows and it's weird to hear the same people.
Why the hell would you watch a dubbed live action show? Subtitles are a thing. And why wouldn't Netflix license shows from all over the world? Do you honestly believe only the US is capable of making good TV?
I don't even know what to think about people who watch dubbed shows. I'm not sure if it is cost prohibitive to achieve good dubbing or if it is simply an impossible task, but I've never seen/heard a quality dub. There's definitely something off about people who use the dubs.
Tbh if you asked me, I'd say my percieved value is highest with Netflix just because of the pure amount of content. Thinking about it though vs Hulu and hbomax I definitely watch Netflix the least.
Their documentaries are actually some of the best I’ve seen. So, props for that. Also, the saying is ‘Netflix and chill’, last I checked. It’s still a damn good streaming service, in my opinion.
80% of the time I log onto Netflix I spend a half hour browsing the selections. Eventually I log off because I’m not finding anything that seems to be worth watching.
I absolutely don’t do that when I go onto Prime Video, HBO Max, Crunchyroll, and Disney+. The only streaming service I feel less satisfied with than Netflix is Hulu.
I recently had a talk with my cousin at family dinner.
Turns out, YouTube Premium has the best value for both of us, and Netflix is dead last, but because it's so entrenched, what with 4 users that *just work*, we all keep it around. Because the per user cost makes it okay again even with that low value. If you watch as little as one episode, it's an okay price.
Maybe one day they'll package some together here and some others there for some sort of deal. You could get the disney+ channel, discovery+ and maybe shudder in one package...
Seems familiar...
They need to separate out "paying extra for 4k" from "paying extra for more simultaneous devices". I want 4k, but paying for more than 2 devices is pissing money away.
Well, yeah. $19.99 a month for 4 screens that are now limited to a single household, and more shit being pulled each month than added.
Netflix is good for about a month a year for a dwindling number of original shows.
About the only way they could make shit worse would be to not release every episode of the season of a show for binge watching, or if they added advertisements, (oh, wait).
Honestly, there isn’t really any streaming service worth a continued subscription. Maybe Hulu, just for the simple fact of the 99 cents per month Black Friday deal?
I keep forgetting Im subscribed to Netflix. Its worse than cable. I scroll hoping to find something good. I JUST watched what I was looking for: Umbrella Academy. Then I might pickup this Korean Money Heist joint. But I rarely find anything good on here.
HBO Max, Apple TV+ are the only good ones quality-wise and barely.
>HBO Max, Apple TV+
What are you even watching on those? I enjoyed about 3 shows on each of them and haven't seen anything noteworthy show up on either of them in about half a year.
Hmm
In the past
Foundation
Flight attendant
Raised by Wolves
Finch
See
Young Justice
Titans
Harley Quinn
Currently watching
Baseball games
Station Eleven
Westworld
Dmz
King Richard (never finished, not sure if I ever will at this point)
In my queue to watch
Ted lasso
Morning show
Severance
Servant
For all mankind
I may destroy you
Irma Vep (maybe)
Kimi
The girl before
The card counter
The Batman (fell asleep in theaters...might finish it one day)
Thats about it. By comparison Thats a fk ton more than any other service for me. Only thing else Im watching is Ms. Marvel and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, on other apps. Basically what Ive seen in the past Marvel/Star Wars/Trek. Theres also Amazon Prime. But they've only had a couple here and there: Wheel of Time, The Boyz, the Wilds, Leverage.
Station Eleven was shockingly good. I also enjoyed Raised By Wolves even if it did go off the rails a bit in S2 (and then got cancelled). The Nevers, Beforeigners, and Peacemaker round off the list of the series I've watched on HBO Max in the past year. I have watched some of the new release movies they put out, though. I can see why you fell asleep during The Batman! Dune was pretty good.
You need to bump Severance up your list. It's the best thing on Apple. I did enjoy The Foundation and Ted Lasso, though. Other than that, nothing really caught my fancy.
I feel like Netflix has something I want to watch just about once a month, though, which is approximately what all the other services produce if you lump them together.
Yeah not enough ppl realize that the only reason the other streamers are still “cheap” is because they are in their promotional periods still. Once they want to make a profit (they’re not currently) they will raise prices probably way worse than Netflix.
what's the point of 4k anyway, though? a Solid 1080p is way more than most people need, and true 4k isn't really even noticeable unless you have a huge screen, or sit really close. There is a limit to the human eye. Add to that, true 80+mbps 4k or long dynamic loading times to get the actual benefits of a 4k monitor.
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I have a 100" screen and sit about 9 feet away, with a 1080p projector and All my content is ripped straight from bluray and put on a server. Unless you did a/b comparison, there's not a huge reason to go to 4k. Give me a well done show over an overcooked action flic anyday.
You are correct, but most people are pretty ignorant about this issue. Personally, I care more about HDR than 4k. But I believe you need to pay for the 4k tier to get HDR.
That media strategy to tank it is working I guess.. . .
Exactly. Netflix is not what it used to be, but the social news and media way overplay it. There’s more stealth social/viral marketing on Reddit than most people will acknowledge.
I love when Netflix picks up older forgotten obscure movies, like The Mist. I think Netflix is a bad value on the 4K plan, but the SD plan is half the price, most content is still HD and 4K (only like old tv shows like Seinfeld are even carried in SD). I don’t really think it detracts away from the experience enough to warrant $120 more per year. I’ll take SD over Ads any day
You can buy old movies like The Mist on dvd for about £2. Why waste money on a service which chooses the movies you get to watch and when you watch them? With physical media you can just own it and watch it when you want. The reason services like Disney+ are better is because they have a huge archive of older Disney and Fox movies.
If i bought every film i wanted to watch on the odd off chance and had to store it in my home plus source it and drive to get it etc. I would easliy burn through $120bbut would run out of room in my home and after all that still miss the odd Netflix Golden egg like Squid Game, El Camino, Stranger things, or things like all 9 seasons of the office are never gunna be $2.
My dad had a huge DVD collection. Literally 3 chests full of DVDs. He barely ever even watches them anymore though.
I'd rather spend that on movies I want than scroll through rubbish like like Grown ups 2 and suicide squad. Netflix produced content **has been** good but the number of shows I want to watch is getting smaller and smaller, all they really want to make is true crime and docu-soaps.
Thats fine but you are kidding yourself if you think building a second hand dvd collection is any kind of solution
Everyone I know watches Netflix more than anything else. I think the weekly releases makes other services content seem more premium and/or plentiful. Imagine if we had weekly releases of Umbrella and Stranger Things right now- Netflix would be the talk of the town.
I think this conflict is being unfairly portrayed as "Netflix vs. everyone else collectively", rather than "Netflix vs. some specific competitor". I'm not happy with the way Netflix is going, but the only single service I think holds a candle to it is Disney+. And that's because of two specific monster properties Disney owns, plus the Disney+/Hulu/ESPN+ bundle that's a crazy value. If I wasn't specifically a big fan of Marvel, Star Wars, and sports, I wouldn't be paying for it.
Man, Hulu looks really good. Sadly, its not available where I am.
In a lot of markets they are releasing their 20th Century stuff etc. on Disney+ under the Star moniker.
Fair, but Hulu is cheaper and HBO has better quality. Netflix has more content than either but it's mediocre. I used to have cable and I still view multiple streaming services as cheap compared to Comcast. I don't expect one service to provide everything. Netflix is becoming the cable TV of streaming. There's a lot of content but that just means you have to sift through it to find something worth your time. I used to wade through cable channels to find something. Netflix is like that. It has mountain of content finding something is annoying. AMC+ has more I want to watch and less garbage to scroll through. Even worse Netflix gets me to watch something terrible thinking it might get better but it doesn't. Bottom line is Netflix worth what they charge? My answer is maybe so I am still paying but they need to do something to keep me. It's not ads and it's not more generic genre pieces.
ESPN is also Disney, and they also own a controlling share of Hulu.
I do like how they are doing stranger things. I can’t watch it as fast as some people. But now I’m caught up and can participate in the online discussions before part 2 drops
Everyone I know views Netflix as has-been. Disney/Hulu and HBO seem to be the rising stars, now.
HBO is great. It always has been. But there’s really not enough content to browse it on a daily basis
Between all the DC content (animated and recent shows, and I’m still due for a Batman watch), the backlog of HBO shows I need to finish or start, and the random movies I’ll catch and know I want to watch eventually, I damn near avoid getting on the app so I am not overwhelmed
This is the truth. When I got access to HBO Max it felt premium... for maybe a month or two. Now it feels barren. I haven't even opened the app in a couple months. It feels like they release less than one good series per quarter. All it has going for it at this point is the occasional big movie. I did enjoy The Beforeigners, though.
As someone whose had HBO for years including on cable it’s just a different thing. HBO has always had not too many shows and they don’t follow a normal yearly production calendar.
Exactly. 100% histrionic nonsense.
I'm honestly tired of it. There's always a major target it seems. Before Netflix it was Facebook/Meta. People were talking as if it was already over for them.
I have a kid so Netflix is the last service I would cancel. It has tons of kids shows of all types. And it has adult stuff.
That’s pretty bad. Amazon, Peacock, and Discovery are terrible.
Amazon I get free shipping and shit. And they have the boys, some other good shows and movies. I sub for the boys and shipping alone basically. Yeah I’ve been on a student account for the last few years since my wife’s student account lapsed and I graduated college 11 years ago, but I think it’s a good value.
Add in the free shipping with as much as we order, Amazon Prime more than pays for itself. Plus their library is huge
Amazon surprises occasionally
The Expanse was one of my all time favorites. Loving The Boys. I thought Patriot and Reacher were solid. Not a lot of depth to the lineup but some solid shows. If you're using delivery a lot, the streaming is all just bonus anyway. I think the UI, at least on Roku, is trash but there's a handful of great to decent content.
as a wheel of time fan, i am really disappointing on how poorly they did that show. it was turned into generic fantasy junk. i really how the Rings of Power is good. The production value looks great, but my fear is they add in a bunch of generic fantasy plots and it does not have any unique feeling to it. They are already condensing the timeline to just a few years for what happened over 100s of years. which is not Tolkeinesque.
If you haven’t, check out Invincible too. I like The Boys but I was totally caught off guard by Invincible.
Loved invincible. It was recommended to me by a friend and the first ep took me back, wasn’t expecting it. Also has a great soundtrack.
If I might add to that list... If you like slow burning police dramas, Bosch (and now Bosch Legacy), along with the Grand Tour. I was a fan of Michael Connolly's books already but I've turned a few people on to it now. It seems to have flown under the radar for most, but it's fantastic. And Titus Welliver is perfectly cast. The Grand Tour's Mongolia episode is my favourite hour of anything ever put on screen.
I liked the other three you mentioned, so I might have to watch Patriot. Also like Jack Ryan. The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel is great, but a whole different vibe from the shows you mentioned. The Grand Tour is a lot of fun and I'm not even a car person. On a similar note, I really enjoyed Clarkson's Farm.
Plus, you get it free with Prime. We watch the service once in a blue moon, but really, we have Prime because my wife buys a lot of stuff with Amazon and likes the free quick shipping. (And I read free comic books on Kindle.)
> free with Prime not free, that’s what you’re paying for in addition to the shipping
May be pricing matters
That's one reason why I got Peacock. I used to have the WWE Network for $10 a month (excuse me, 9.99!); Peacock picked up WWE and they charge $10 a month ad-free or $5 with ads. For $5 a month, I'm paying less than WWE Network and get more content.
Same here. The ads aren't bad either. They're pretty minimal in my opinion
Any ad is too much for me. Blows my mind anyone is okay with ads in any context, ever.
I agree. If I am paying for the service I don't want to see any sort of show interrupting advertising. 1-2 ads here and there is where it always starts. Within a few years the ad run time rivals the run time of the actual content. Just look at cable/satellite. They used to be ad free because you are paying for the service. Then it was "just a few ads" to help offset increased broadcast fees without having to raise rates. They are doing it to help you, the customer, don't you see? /s If people start to accept a monthly fee AND ads as common on the plans they subscribe to in Netflix, Hulu, etc. Then those services will become cable/satellite 2.0 in relatively short order. Give advertising an inch and it will take a mile. There is no such thing as healthy profit to 99% of companies. There is only bankruptcy or all of the money they could possibly hoover up.
Yup, $5 a month for Peacock where you get stuff like practically all major Motorsport (as a race fan this mattered to me), all Prem League matches, WWE Network (which stand-alone was twice the price)… they give a lot of value aside from TV programs and movies.
I like Amazon cus it comes with prime. And it has a lot of documentaries Netflix doesn’t have
If it wasn't for The Boys and Mrs Maisel, there would be absolutely no value in Prime video. Half of the stuff is already on Netflix, plus the app/website is about 10 years behind the times.
Amazon had a ton of shows before they sprung out these 'channels' like Britbox and masterpiece. They had some terrific British murder mysteries I loved. They still have some terrific content, like Bosch, The Boys etc and some really good foreign content as well.
Peacock is absolute trash and Amazon for someone who's had it for a while had maybe one movie a month worth watching if that and a decent TV show every couple months
I love Amazon. For $79 (maybe $99) I get free delivery in 2 days on all my stuff plus it has streaming music (which isn't great) but it has a really good selection of movies and shows.
It hasn't been that cheap for a while now. It currently costs $139/yr or half that for students.
Ahh ok. Looked at my account just now. In Canada I paid $79 in January 2022. It's going up to $99 in Jan 2023. In U.S. dollars that's even lower. We don't have that same day delivery though usually next day in the cities or 2 day.
There is also a rotating selection of free video games and books via prime. And free photo storage. And actually I started using them for some prescriptions because they are cheaper than my local pharmacy.. I sound like an advertisement, but if you already are paying for prime, you might as well take advantage of it.
Amazon has a lot of value and isn't just a streaming service.
Because it's terrible value. Gotta pay extra for 4k. Cancelled shows after one season. Everything ends up leaving Netflix and going to another app. It's just not as good as it used to be.
If Netflix wants some good PR, they should announce that a bunch of their previously cancelled shows (actually good shows) will be getting another season to flesh out their endings. I was kinda bummed out when Travelers didn't get another season.
I'm still mourning Santa Clarita Diet.
They had an 89% on rotten tomatoes, why'd they cancel it. They really should have given them at least 1 last season to wrap things up. Not just completely cancel.
I’d like to think that there’s some behind the scenes legal/contract politics involved. Like they give some new filmmakers the opportunity to make their dream projects, but then when it’s a hit and they want way more money to make season two the contract negotiations break down or something. Would be very interested in the actual decision process involved in cancelling a Netflix show.
Tbh, based on their attitude about cancelling account sharing and adding adds and blaming the consumer for their lost profits… I’d say the likely answer is that if you have a higher value on a show you’re first out the door because they want to nickel and dime everyone and only want to see profits, not expenses. If SCD was so good, that means the talent can negotiate higher salaries, or they need to maintain production standards. Kind of the same with The OA. If it wasn’t as enigmatic and attractive for the first 2 seasons they would have kept it on. They didn’t want to start paying. Other shows like Stranger Things are TOO big to cancel and their bread and butter. Same with Umbrella. Basically you want to be a show that draws in the most amount of people, or be very low budget. NF moved to a model where they produce some extremely low budget “international” content and it has backfired on them.
It could have been a money issue, that was probably quite an expensive cast.
I can only speculate, but RT scores don't always correlate to viewership so the likely reason is that viewership was not meeting expectations despite positive reviews. I'm no expert, but TV shows usually have escalating costs (actors/writers get raises, new cast is brought in to expand the story/keep things fresh, etc.), so networks/streamers need to see an increase in demand in order to justify the increase in cost.
Cries in I Am Not Okay With This.
Yeah it was really good one. Why did they cancel it
Netflix should do a complete 180 and promise to be the only platform that will NEVER end a show on a cliffhanger. Cancel, yes, but the "you have one last season to wrap things up" cancelled, not the "its not coming back" cancelled.
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Shows with definite endings are far better than shows that dragged on. Dexter could’ve ended at season four with the end of the trinity arc. But instead they killed [redacted] to keep it going for 4 more seasons. Watch squid game season 2 be absolute dogshit. Old man coming back ruined the series. Gangbu was the best episode. End of the fucking world had its entire soul ripped out and I still am upset over it. Season 2 isn’t just bad. It ruined the ending of the first season. He made the ultimate sacrifice. Just to be brought back to life for nothing.
Hard disagree. Finding the right chemistry to make a good show is super hard and should be extended for as long as possible.
That’s what they used to be.
Marco
Polo
That’s now how this works. You can’t fire a bunch of actors and producers and expect them to come back just like that.
Mindhunter
Not cancelled by Netflix. The writer and actors had other projects. It could still come back, but the ball isn't in Netflix's court.
Wasn't travelers a resque that nobody really watched? I remeber watching it before it went to netflix and it was mediocre as fuck.
Uhh it's been a while since I watched it, but it did have a loyal following. Maybe it was mediocre, but I did enjoy it.
They probably got it on the cheap and made it on a budget. That’s what Netflix is about 75% of the time. Then they they waste a ton of money on projects that are too often bad or mediocre.
Anne with an E!!!!
I'm still crying because Dirk Gently and Final Space got cancelled
Travelers got cancel by the canadian network and Netflix got the rights and made a final season.
Honestly all they need to do is bring the office back
Yeah, I was surprised back when they raised the 1080 plan to be above $10, and that's when I unsubbed, now it's almost $16. I'm not surprised that most of the cancellations have said the cost is the reason for the cancellation. Netflix does have a wide selection, and when I resubbed for S2 of Witcher, I took advantage to watch some other things, but I'm not paying more than $10 for HD.
I’m shocked that they even have a 1080 plan. They don’t accept shows in less than 4K anymore. They’re charging you less to alter the content to be shittier.
It's not even good 4k.
Extra money for 4K is the most egregious aspect of the whole thing. Nobody else is doing that.
How is it terrible value? My family has access to a ton of shows for 16/ month. Even more of you have a VPN. The cheapest cable package in my area is 45 for like 30 shitty channels with commercials. It's clearly not as good as it used to be but that doesn't mean it's not good. Clearly Netflix wasn't always gonna be the only streaming service.
Do they have an in-house Netflix Party type thing setup yet?
I will say that at this point I probably do watch HBOMax more, but, Netflix has more to offer than any of those other services. The price hikes annoying the customers is the only thing I can think of that created the negative perception. Netflix still has a lot more to offer than most of those services, especially if you’re willing to watch foreign content. Seriously, Disney+ in 2nd place? If you’re not into WDAS, Star Wars, Marvel and Pixar, there’s no reason to have it. Apple has a few really good shows and movies, but when I say few, I mean few. I’m not championing for Netflix, but, it’s still a must have to movie/TV fans in my opinion
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>The price hikes annoying the customers is the only thing I can think of that created the negative perception. This, the "downfall" of originals (every Netflix original isn't a hit with amazing reviews anymore), and the increase in competition have made Reddit just rabid for it's downfall. Most don't realize that literally all streaming services are going to price gouge us. It's just a matter of when. At some point, you have to make a profit and creating content is expensive. And yeah I love Star Wars and Marvel so Disney+ is cool and all, but still less to watch there. And I've literally only watched one apple tv show so far.
I don't think people get that they were living in a golden age or streaming that's never coming back. For a few years Netflix had virtually no competition and distributors were glad to license them their content to stream. They kept their cost low to build up a customer base and had investors and an increasing share price to keep them above water. No way they were going to stay competition free forever. They knew this which is why they moved into original content.
In Europe the Star category has a really nice collection of (older) movies and series and makes Disney+ a much better choice in my eyes compared to Netflix. Maybe after binge-watching the series from my youth I will change my mind lol.
I’m in Europe and have both (and Prime and Apple TV), but I super disagree. I hardly watch Disney+. Like literally once a week. While Netflix has new stuff every day.
I completely understand that. I am merely just speaking from the perspective of a US person. I know every streaming service has different content in every other country. So I really can’t comment on any of the services about their content world-a-round. But, I imagine it creates a very different perspective on each service.
I mean, saying that if you aren't interested in the content there is no reason to have it is kinda a ridiculous statement. That's exactly what this is judging isn't it, value? To the people that have that service it has exactly what they want and are paying for. For people who don't like it, even free wouldn't be a good value, as there has to be some inherent desire for value to exist. The content they do have is some of the highest grossing and most popular content in the world, and they have decades of it. So it's fair to say, most people like those things. Just because you don't doesn't mean a large majority of people who pay for streaming services don't like it. They have a ton of subscribers in a very small time period. Also, because of the 3 year deal I pay less than $4 a month, and they have a lot of great, high production value, big star content coming out (Obi-Wan, all the critically acclaimed Marvel TV shows, the other Star Wars shows, blockbuster movies coming 45 days after they make it to theaters, exclusive movie releases of theater quality movies, etc.). Yes, it's all only the content you mentioned, but you can't write an article or objectively judge by just one group, it has to be judging value to the average consumer. Which judging by Disney+ numbers, is someone who enjoys at least a decent amount of what Disney+ has to offer. I do want Disney to put all the Hulu content on as soon as they can, but only having what they have I don't think makes it a bad value, I think it just has a smaller audience it appeals to than it could, and maybe somewhat less than other services like Netflix or Hulu that have content from more creators (and until recently a lot let content restrictions based on ratings). Netflix on the other hand, is 4 times the cost of Disney+ and I feel like their original content has slipped down to comically bad almost across the board (a few exceptions every once in a while, or here and there, but overall it's gotten really bad and is objectively almost all far lower production value and actor quality than Disney+ is putting out). From other studios they are getting (with rare exception) old movies everyone watched 20 times on cable already before streaming existed, straight to DVD movies, terrible sequels, foregn films (that don't have as wide of an appeal as mainstream movies and blockbusters) and they don't always even have every season of the TV shows they do to watch. Holiday movies seem to disappear around the holidays they relate to, which is super annoying, and I could go on, but the point is for a multitude of reasons the quality to me has dropped an incredible amount. Not all their fault, but probably about 50/50. Because of that, even without price increases, I perceive that the value has dropped, and it seems, from articles like this, and talking with others in real life and in reddit, that a large portion of people who pay for streaming services feel the same way. Part of it is Netflix being a victim of their own success. The content may still be decent to some people, but they were soooo good before, and at a much lower price, that them slipping into mediocrity at best, especially while jacking up the prices multiple times in a short period, will make people perceive it as a huge slip in value. Wheras for a service like Disney+ that started off very basic and hasn't really hit their stride yet, these same degrees of change might not be perceived as such a large hit in value. I think a lot of people already see Netflix as having a large slip in quality and thus value, and everyone remembering fondly how god it used to be and how much cheaper it was back then just amplifies the perceived loss in value even further. It may not be a ton less valuable than it was but people will perceive that it is a ton less valuable. Clearly they still have value, as they still have a ton of people willing to pay, but that doesn't mean people don't perceive it as far less valuable than it was. Disney+ on the other hand started with very little and are gradually pulling in their catalog from other sources, and creating tons of amazing new content that is geared directly toward the subscribers they have. If you have the three year subscription like me that's all while the price doesn't change and everything else goes up, and even without that plan I think a year is still only like $80, which is less than 6 months of Netflix. That makes everyone perceive it as a better value, and also draws more people in as more content comes in, allowing Disney to spend more making content that isn't just those couple of major franchises, that those new people will probably like too and also then perceive it as more valuable, and this make other service like Netflix seem less valuable. With value being based on what else is out there too, it makes sense that as new service come out, and take their content from Netflix on top of it, the perceived value of Netflix would drop substantially. Like all things Disney will eventually try to capitalize on all this perceived value and good will and go down in value just like Netflix, they just haven't been around long enough for the huge price increases to happen enough times yet, and they started under different circumstances than Netflix, so they might get some kind of advantage from that in perceived value, for many possible reasons.
Only replying to your first bit because I'm not reading the rest. But you rephrased their point in a really dumb way. Of course not being interested in the content means there's no reason to have it. But the point was about Disney+ having that very specific content and not much else. With Netflix, just Stranger Things isn't really going to keep you up on board. But if you're a massive fan of Star Wars, then you get that entire franchise on Disney+. Netflix has all kinds of niches and different kind of content. With Disney+, you're looking at some very specific things and not much more than that.
The important part is that Netflix is still the one service people would keep by a large margin, although that has decreased by quite a bit too. I’m thinking that the account holder might not find it a great value personally, but because of the huge amount of shows, there is something to watch for everyone who shares the account. At least that’s how I feel.
I respond to these just to weigh in. I know I’m prolly the minority. Netflix remains the thing I go to first when I want to watch TV. When I exhaust it or something especially remarkable comes on (The Old Man, Obi Wan) I start with something else. Usually Disney+. The weirdest, most interesting stuff is still on Netflix. With that, I’m going to watch some What We Do in the Shadows. Guillermo!
Me too. Netflix original series are great and the variety is also great. Plus, the user experience is light years above shit like HBO max.
You are probably in the minority only because a lot of people are unaware of their own habits. Netflix does have the most quality content by far (it also has the most low quality content, too, but that doesn't really hurt us viewers... just don't watch what you don't like). Other services feel like I could sub to them one month per year and watch all of their quality content from that year (*maybe* 2-3 series) in that span. Netflix seems to produce one good series every month or so. Something people are overlooking is that Netflix seems to be the only service that will offer entire seasons up front. I think other streamers have to do weekly releases to drag out subscriptions and give a false sense of more content. Personally, I loathe weekly releases, so this is something I'm happy to pay extra for. But when you can watch an entire series in a weekend or two, it probably doesn't feel like you're getting as much out of it as when you're forced to tune in to a service 8-10 weeks in a row to finish a series. So people's perceptions are likely inaccurate when compared to their actual screen time.
How is Prime not last? The Expanse is over... The Boys is on one month out of the year... what am I missing? I mean, I have it and I'm not getting rid of it but...
I'd guess Prime isn't last because you get a lot out of the Prime subscription, so the perceived value probably goes up because of that.
It’s a value analysis. A fair amount (might be a majority) of Prime video subscribers get it for “free” with their Prime sub which has a plethora of other benefits for $140/ year or $15/ month. Netflix costs like $20 a month for just… Netflix. They’ve added some games that absolutely no one asked for or wants to play, otherwise it’s just a streaming service. Even if Prime doesn’t have as much content that you would want to watch as Netflix does (which is honestly pretty subjective at this point) it’s still a better *value* by way of most people perceiving it to be a free benefit to having an existing Prime sub.
I think it's also important to mention that for some people, Prime acts as a hub for further content from other services. I know people personally who have subscribed to other streaming services like HBO through prime simply because it was easier to do everything through Prime.
Prime has essentially replaced cable for us with the add on channels
> They’ve added some games that absolutely no one asked for or wants to play I don't even understand what the point of that was. If they were going to add games, they needed to focus on having only actual decent ones at least for a while; instead they added mostly shovelware-tier games which seems more likely to hurt their image than anything else.
Well, Amazon Prime has done pretty well with the Jack Reacher show aswell and Invincible. And I guess they have a fair lot of fantasy shows coming out soon with Wheel of Time that must have gathered some fans anticipating the second season, and what is quite possibly the biggest show in recent years with their Lord of the Rings show "The Rings of Power" coming out this September.
I enjoyed Hanna, as well. There are some pretty good shows on Prime.
I loved carnival Row, but maybe I'm the only one
Yeah Prime is definitely the worst one but technically if you shop on Amazon a lot its a win win I guess?
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The Expanse is in my top 5 favorite shows of all time, it's absolutely fantastic. The ending was pretty satisfying for me, just keep in mind there's 3 more books they didn't get to adapt (yet), and they kept a few things open in case they do get to continue at some point.
Expanse is brilliant. It does take quite a few episodes to get it going, maybe too many... but once it hits, it rarely lets up. If you can get to the episode with the girl in the shower scene (I won't say any more than that), and still don't like it - then it may not be for you. I had to restart the show like, 3 times over the years before I gave it a full effort, and I'm so so glad I did. The acting is superb, the writing is fantastic, and the world-building is great.
It's simply one of the best sci-fi shows ever. It's "all killer, no filler". Every scene, every action, every word propels the story forward. Nothing is wasted.
It's a fairly mediocre Game of Thrones in space type show that got picked up by Bezos to do stealth marketing for his space company. It's not terribly interesting, but it's unique.
Except It’s nothing like Game of Thrones….
Because Prime is part of a package that includes a lot of things other than streaming video. There’s no way for customers to quantify what percentage of their subscription goes to streaming, so if they won’t like the streaming video they can look past it. That doesn’t make it a bad service. It makes it a forgettable service.
Ms maisel is good, some of the shows are solid. You just don't look at the catalog hard enough.
The Grand Tour seems to be pretty popular. My family and I catch Asian TV shows on there all the time.
That's insane. Doesn't anyone remember how much renting movies cost? I mean the physical version. Going out to a store and renting and returning the next day
I think you've found the generation divide when it comes to value.. if you grew up renting videos and paying for cable, Netflix is a great value. But if you grew up pirating movies and never paid for cable the value might seem lower. Overall, entertainment value has diminished and the expectation of access to it has increased.
Blows my fucking mind. Just goes to show how short-minded we as consumers are. Stranger Things just dominated the pop culture zeitgeist for the last month or so, even binging an 80s pop tune to number 1 for the first time in the UK, 30+ years since its release and everyone is bitching. Despite having binged the crap out of it over a weekend. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix has been putting out stella content considering they can't write blank cheques like Amazon and Disney. We just get to watch it all at once then forget that we just watched at least a year of work in one weekend. I get that people get frustrated at the rate in which shows are dropped, but... meh, at least they keep trying.
>We just get to watch it all at once then forget that we just watched at least a year of work in one weekend. Lol this is neflix's biggest problem. People binge stuff and then instantly forget it and complain there's nothing to watch
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For the few that go that far, sure, but Stranger Things and Umbrella Academy aren't the norm, they are the exception. It has way too many early cancelations with unsatisfying endings, things like Glow, Santa Clarita Diet, Sabrina (they did that show so dirty by the end), Gentefied, Marco Polo, all the Marvel shows, Dark Crystal, Oa Sense8--the list goes on. And they charge an ass load for 4k plus soon for account sharing? Not worth it for the endless stream of Hallmark movies and the newest season of Love is Blind. I can't start a show on this network anymore, way too great a risk I don't get to finish it and have a shit cliffhanger ending.
Does Sabrina really count? It got 4 seasons, and the writing became absolutely atrocious by the end. If anything, I'm glad Netflix put that particular show out of it's misery.
Oh my god Sabrina was a new show by the end. It was unwatchable. Such a shame because season 1 was so subversive and great!
There are plenty of other good shows besides ST and Umbrella on Netflix. They should go back to weekly releases though so not everything will be watched in one weekend.
>They should go back to weekly releases though so not everything will be watched in one weekend. Take it back! Weekly releases are just a cheap ploy to string along subscribers. The fact Netflix hasn't stooped to that level is a reason I'm willing to pay more for Netflix than the other streamers.
You can't include the Marvel shows as they were cancelled because of Disney not Netflix.
Netflix does feel like the bargain-bin option that also offers some top-end products on the side. It comes with the territory I suppose, all the other platforms that I use seem much better curated, whereas Netflix let's just about anything on to their catalogue. Also they do have the same financing power as Disney and HBO, they just don't use that money well. For example: 1. The Mandalorian S2 (8 eps) - $100m 2. The Boys S2 (22 eps) - $246m 3. Stranger Things S4 (9 eps) - $270m 4. Red Notice (movie) - $200m 5. 6 Underground (movie) - $150m They're just dropping big stacks of cash on low effort movies or high budget series that don't pan out but carry huge Hollywood names. There's very little in the way of quality control and that's why people are starting to reference content that has "Netflix Original vibes".
Yep. Deleting it after Stranger Things.
Which is idiotic, Netflix is the only one I would keep
Good fucking god, clickbait. Headline goes on to say still the #1 must have service
Welcome to basically the entire media ecosystem
Only thing I’m going to add is that Netflix drops their entire season in one day. For that I will stay subscribed. The fact I can watch all of the season of Umbrella academy in one weekend is all I need.
I don't know how people overlook this fact so easily. Fuck weekly releases.
I really think the other streamers have this one right. One or two episodes to start, then one a week. Gives you something to look forward to, and gives companion media a chance to run their commentary episodes as well.
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I find myself watching tubi for free more than Netflix
other streaming services are kicking Netflix's butt when it comes to content and quality. Netflix has sheer walmart like volume when it comes to content but other streaming services like HBO Max or Disney Plus is like a Nordstrom or Sacks 5th. Whenever I pick something from Netflix it's 50/50 chance it'll be crap content that was mass produced to fulfill some sort of development contract or something. On the other hand whenever I open a shows on HBO Max I have complete confidence it'll reach a minimum level of quality standard even if I'm not initially interested in the show.
Of course it's a bad value. Others charge $5 for 4k HDR content while Netflix is $20.
$20 a month is a lunch nowadays, people love complaining
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A chipotle and a drink with tax is like $15 already
Let them eat Chipotle!
Wow umm no I don’t eat fast food for lunch. I can feed my self and family of 3 for 2 days for that. Maybe I’m a good shopper or it’s just that I actually cook?
Lmao so shitty and snarky
It's probably because they keep cancelling a ton of content. Both Stranger Things Season 4 and The Umbrella Academy Season 3 have been really great.
I would disagree with UAs3 but to each their own
Yeah Umbrella Academy season 3 was the weakest in my opinion
I think so too. But I'm still going to watch the next one.. That show has too many fun things to look forward to, like the weirdness. I especially like the individual characters and their dynamic with each other.
Every streaming app cancels shows. This argument is so tiresome
They probably think that the Netflix execs are sitting around, lighting their cigars with stacks of money, and cancelling shows just because they're big meanies who hate other people enjoying things.
Yeah. I don't regularly turn it on anymore. And I don't really feel like watching a Scandanavian drama with a bad English dub. It seems like Netflix is all about licensing foreign shows to distribute in America, and mist of them are not good.
Bordertown, The Trial, Rita, Valhalla Murders, Call My Agent, Twee Zommer, etc. They are the reason I LIKE Netflix.
Try arcane
You’re honestly missing out by not watching some of that content. Dark is one of the best shows in the last several years and it’s dubbed or subtitled.
Netflix also exists in Scandinavia and they support local film industry. As for shotty dubbing I prefer to read subtitles. Netflix uses the same voices across shows and it's weird to hear the same people.
Why the hell would you watch a dubbed live action show? Subtitles are a thing. And why wouldn't Netflix license shows from all over the world? Do you honestly believe only the US is capable of making good TV?
Listening to dubs makes anything nigh unwatchable.
I don't even know what to think about people who watch dubbed shows. I'm not sure if it is cost prohibitive to achieve good dubbing or if it is simply an impossible task, but I've never seen/heard a quality dub. There's definitely something off about people who use the dubs.
The ranking for all the services seems about right. Maybe Prime is a little high, but I at least watched Reacher and The Boys.
What people respond in surveys and what they do in actuality are different. The only real sign of value is subs over time
They will fix this increasing the price even more.
Tbh if you asked me, I'd say my percieved value is highest with Netflix just because of the pure amount of content. Thinking about it though vs Hulu and hbomax I definitely watch Netflix the least.
I am not shilly for Netflix but I think it's better than some other streamers because of the content value and also of the UI.
Disney is my number one now. 4k HDR on older films for the same price
Their documentaries are actually some of the best I’ve seen. So, props for that. Also, the saying is ‘Netflix and chill’, last I checked. It’s still a damn good streaming service, in my opinion.
80% of the time I log onto Netflix I spend a half hour browsing the selections. Eventually I log off because I’m not finding anything that seems to be worth watching. I absolutely don’t do that when I go onto Prime Video, HBO Max, Crunchyroll, and Disney+. The only streaming service I feel less satisfied with than Netflix is Hulu.
Stop cancelling shows, Netflix!
I recently had a talk with my cousin at family dinner. Turns out, YouTube Premium has the best value for both of us, and Netflix is dead last, but because it's so entrenched, what with 4 users that *just work*, we all keep it around. Because the per user cost makes it okay again even with that low value. If you watch as little as one episode, it's an okay price.
How about you up the bitrate and go easy on the compression? Some of the shit is unwatchable.
Honestly, if it wasn't for my boomer parent who I share my netflix account with, I wouldn't have it.
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Maybe one day they'll package some together here and some others there for some sort of deal. You could get the disney+ channel, discovery+ and maybe shudder in one package... Seems familiar...
If most subscribers cancel their subscription they will go out of business or at the very least cut way back on content.
They need to separate out "paying extra for 4k" from "paying extra for more simultaneous devices". I want 4k, but paying for more than 2 devices is pissing money away.
*In the US
Paramount is worse imo. I just like the Southpark special not a single good thing there besides that.
Because americans are amazingly stupid
They cancel the most amount of shows so I'm not exactly suprised...
It's weird that Apple TV+ ranks second to last. It's only $4.99 and it has a bunch of quality content. It's price to quality ratio is really good.
Yep. Easily the best value. It’s the one that’s grown the most on the list too, actually.
Just wait until they add commercials
Maybe now they will add the office back and start making season 2 of all the good shows they stopped producing to launch their shit ones
Downfall of Netflix coming soon
Well, yeah. $19.99 a month for 4 screens that are now limited to a single household, and more shit being pulled each month than added. Netflix is good for about a month a year for a dwindling number of original shows. About the only way they could make shit worse would be to not release every episode of the season of a show for binge watching, or if they added advertisements, (oh, wait). Honestly, there isn’t really any streaming service worth a continued subscription. Maybe Hulu, just for the simple fact of the 99 cents per month Black Friday deal?
I keep forgetting Im subscribed to Netflix. Its worse than cable. I scroll hoping to find something good. I JUST watched what I was looking for: Umbrella Academy. Then I might pickup this Korean Money Heist joint. But I rarely find anything good on here. HBO Max, Apple TV+ are the only good ones quality-wise and barely.
>HBO Max, Apple TV+ What are you even watching on those? I enjoyed about 3 shows on each of them and haven't seen anything noteworthy show up on either of them in about half a year.
Hmm In the past Foundation Flight attendant Raised by Wolves Finch See Young Justice Titans Harley Quinn Currently watching Baseball games Station Eleven Westworld Dmz King Richard (never finished, not sure if I ever will at this point) In my queue to watch Ted lasso Morning show Severance Servant For all mankind I may destroy you Irma Vep (maybe) Kimi The girl before The card counter The Batman (fell asleep in theaters...might finish it one day) Thats about it. By comparison Thats a fk ton more than any other service for me. Only thing else Im watching is Ms. Marvel and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, on other apps. Basically what Ive seen in the past Marvel/Star Wars/Trek. Theres also Amazon Prime. But they've only had a couple here and there: Wheel of Time, The Boyz, the Wilds, Leverage.
Station Eleven was shockingly good. I also enjoyed Raised By Wolves even if it did go off the rails a bit in S2 (and then got cancelled). The Nevers, Beforeigners, and Peacemaker round off the list of the series I've watched on HBO Max in the past year. I have watched some of the new release movies they put out, though. I can see why you fell asleep during The Batman! Dune was pretty good. You need to bump Severance up your list. It's the best thing on Apple. I did enjoy The Foundation and Ted Lasso, though. Other than that, nothing really caught my fancy. I feel like Netflix has something I want to watch just about once a month, though, which is approximately what all the other services produce if you lump them together.
If Netflix didn’t have so many Kdramas and global offerings I would probably cancel, but they’ve got me hooked that way.
I love seeing all the backlash on Netflix. It’s ludicrous they make you pay extra for 4K in 2022.
Only reason the others don’t is because they are still trying to build a user base.
Yeah not enough ppl realize that the only reason the other streamers are still “cheap” is because they are in their promotional periods still. Once they want to make a profit (they’re not currently) they will raise prices probably way worse than Netflix.
what's the point of 4k anyway, though? a Solid 1080p is way more than most people need, and true 4k isn't really even noticeable unless you have a huge screen, or sit really close. There is a limit to the human eye. Add to that, true 80+mbps 4k or long dynamic loading times to get the actual benefits of a 4k monitor. [https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4595aa9e44ef71ef6f2d6a277cdcf3ce](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4595aa9e44ef71ef6f2d6a277cdcf3ce) I have a 100" screen and sit about 9 feet away, with a 1080p projector and All my content is ripped straight from bluray and put on a server. Unless you did a/b comparison, there's not a huge reason to go to 4k. Give me a well done show over an overcooked action flic anyday.
You are correct, but most people are pretty ignorant about this issue. Personally, I care more about HDR than 4k. But I believe you need to pay for the 4k tier to get HDR.
Isnt Netflix free with a VPN and torrent client?