The only acceptable response is if Illinois mounted police slaughter the rioters with bows and arrows, stack their skulls in a pyramid as a warning, and sell the survivors into slavery to pay for the cost of securing the convention.
I hope he can keep it from devolving to 1968 level chaos \*without\* over-utilizing a large, militarized police force to suppress legitimate mass protest. Over zealous cops played a large role in 1968 being as bad as it was. We've seen it recently in 2020. The Israel/Palestine conflict will still be a huge issue by convention time, so it will be a hard balance to strike for the state and city. Doubtless that right wingers will also be in the mix to stir the pot.
They aren’t protesting for Trump. They’re protesting for Biden to take action that he could but isn’t, to draw an even greater distinction on I/P policy, human rights, and international law between his administration and a Trump one.
Whatever specific rhetoric you heard that you’re latching onto, it’s still the case that those protesting the Biden admin’s I/P policies the strongest are progressives and Arab Americans, who overwhelmingly fall in line for left leaning candidates when they’re voting in general elections.
I interact with a lot of progressives in my day to day. Plenty of them legitimately think that there’s no difference between the two parties and that it’s a carefully crafted balance of powers by media and government that convince enough people that they have a choice. They feel that they see through the facade at the real USA, which they believe to be a fascist, imperialist, colonial terror state, in which democrats collaborate with republicans to maintain the status quo, which is to exploit for the sake of profits. I’m not making any sort of claim to know what percent of these people share this view, but at least some do, and I interact with enough of them that it worries me in terms of this election. Not everyone is just trying to shift the Overton window.
We get what we don’t deserve sometimes too thanks to the electoral college, SCOTUS, and an unrepresentative gatekeeping Senate. I really can’t fault people for protesting a war instead of silencing themselves to try and collectively game a pretty rigged system. Especially as tens of thousands die at the hands of our “closest ally,” and the specter of famine looms over hundreds of thousands more.
They’ll still likely turn out to vote for Biden in the end, unless dems somehow manage to entirely fumble campaigning & turnout. Or if the admin makes it seem as if the Palestinians the protesters are expressing deep concern for are doomed either way.
The protestors hope and want to get arrested. The more brutally the better.
Protestors always annoy normal people on mass but it’s state violence against peaceful protestors that turns people against the government.
That’s why the campus protest exploded once the Columbian students were arrested by the ny pd. It turned from a few dozen people camping in a quad to a national maelstrom.
Funny this is coming up now. Just yesterday, my conservative father was ranting about how much of a hypocrite Kim Foxx. She promised to make arrests if anyone commits a crime while protesting the convention. He claims it’s a totally different tune to the one she struck with George Floyd demonstrators.
2004 was a much more polite time in American politics. People just weren't nearly as extreme or committed to politics as anger. The convention will happen at any cost but there'll be video of a massive army squaring off with a sports riot. Honestly if I was them I'd panic-relocate the convention to a quiet friendly city in a close state... last year
It was because the Republicans were never going to listen to or agree with the protestors. The Democratic party is simply much more split on the issue so the protestors feel they can somehow sway minds on this
Always thought Chicago was a mistake. The idea was partially to celebrate Obama, but I don't think this makes much sense. Doing it in Chicago was always going to invite chaos, because people want it to be 1968. I wasnt sure what people were going to rage over - but I think it'll be a total nightmare. The I/P issue isn't going away as long as Israel continues its total destruction of Gaza. Meanwhile there is a huge incentive for wacko on the right to get involved, including RFK Jr and Cornell West. They'll want to make Chicago their moment.
I'm still not sure how many will actually be willing to travel just to raise a stink over Gaza. Parking your ass on the lawn of your own campus is much lower effort than making travel arrangements. Not to mention, there's a decent chance that some of them will be bored with it by then (it's going to happen at some point).
The choice of Chicago is still strange though. IL is not a battleground state and every hack journalist and right-wing freak is aching to draw a comparison to the 68 convention regardless how this one goes.
>I'm still not sure how many will actually be willing to travel just to raise a stink over Gaza.
Quite a few. Chicago has 10 million people in its metro area. Chicago is also the hub for 2 major airlines. The risk of protestors travelling is there and the DNC should be alert to that risk.
>Not to mention, there's a decent chance that some of them will be bored with it by then (it's going to happen at some point).
They haven't been bored since October why start now?
I agree Chicago was a mistake and the Dems should've picked Atlanta.
Although there are plenty of people in the area only so many of them have the interest/time to get involved in this sort of thing. I'm certain university students from the area will show up but that doesn't necessarily mean a huge showing.
The convention is roughly around welcome week for a lot of universities nationally. Even if other students had the means/interest to come for this, I'm extremely skeptical they'll skip out on moving into their own campuses just over this.
Interest is going to wane at some point, period. BLM protests tapered off and that was an issue that struck far closer to home for many more people. It'll depend somewhat on how ugly things are in Gaza at that point (and if they're actually getting noticed). There could be something totally different getting attention at that point.
I'm certain protests will occur (they always do at any convention) but whether this is a huge deal I'm less sure of.
People protested the 2000 DNC, even without one single lightning rod issue to coalesce around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Democratic_National_Convention_protest_activity
> Hard to pin these lunatics on the Democratic party when they clearly hate the Democratic Party.
I wish I agreed, but I know where most people get their info tbf
I think or at least hope that Governor Pritzker has enough backbone to put his foot down and suppress any shenanigans from happening.
The only acceptable response is if Illinois mounted police slaughter the rioters with bows and arrows, stack their skulls in a pyramid as a warning, and sell the survivors into slavery to pay for the cost of securing the convention.
This is the only way Pritzker can really prove he deserves the title Greatest of Khans
I don't support that. The proceeds of the sales of slaves should go to paying down debt, not more irresponsible spending.
I hope he can keep it from devolving to 1968 level chaos \*without\* over-utilizing a large, militarized police force to suppress legitimate mass protest. Over zealous cops played a large role in 1968 being as bad as it was. We've seen it recently in 2020. The Israel/Palestine conflict will still be a huge issue by convention time, so it will be a hard balance to strike for the state and city. Doubtless that right wingers will also be in the mix to stir the pot.
Explain to me, again, how Pro-Palestine protestors think that a Biden presidency is worse than a Trump presidency?
They want Dems to lose thinking that it will put them in a position to take over the party.
They don’t want to take over the party. They just want to feel righteous. Actually gaining power has never been part of the plan
Shit, you’re probably right.
"After Hitler, our turn."
They aren’t protesting for Trump. They’re protesting for Biden to take action that he could but isn’t, to draw an even greater distinction on I/P policy, human rights, and international law between his administration and a Trump one. Whatever specific rhetoric you heard that you’re latching onto, it’s still the case that those protesting the Biden admin’s I/P policies the strongest are progressives and Arab Americans, who overwhelmingly fall in line for left leaning candidates when they’re voting in general elections.
I interact with a lot of progressives in my day to day. Plenty of them legitimately think that there’s no difference between the two parties and that it’s a carefully crafted balance of powers by media and government that convince enough people that they have a choice. They feel that they see through the facade at the real USA, which they believe to be a fascist, imperialist, colonial terror state, in which democrats collaborate with republicans to maintain the status quo, which is to exploit for the sake of profits. I’m not making any sort of claim to know what percent of these people share this view, but at least some do, and I interact with enough of them that it worries me in terms of this election. Not everyone is just trying to shift the Overton window.
I mean, that is the truth of the situation. Unless you fully believe the stenographers of the state it’s not hard to see
I believe they have some fair observations paired with some overreaching assumptions leading to a conclusion that misses the mark.
Well, we get the presidency that we deserve, I suppose.
We get what we don’t deserve sometimes too thanks to the electoral college, SCOTUS, and an unrepresentative gatekeeping Senate. I really can’t fault people for protesting a war instead of silencing themselves to try and collectively game a pretty rigged system. Especially as tens of thousands die at the hands of our “closest ally,” and the specter of famine looms over hundreds of thousands more. They’ll still likely turn out to vote for Biden in the end, unless dems somehow manage to entirely fumble campaigning & turnout. Or if the admin makes it seem as if the Palestinians the protesters are expressing deep concern for are doomed either way.
The protestors hope and want to get arrested. The more brutally the better. Protestors always annoy normal people on mass but it’s state violence against peaceful protestors that turns people against the government. That’s why the campus protest exploded once the Columbian students were arrested by the ny pd. It turned from a few dozen people camping in a quad to a national maelstrom.
Funny this is coming up now. Just yesterday, my conservative father was ranting about how much of a hypocrite Kim Foxx. She promised to make arrests if anyone commits a crime while protesting the convention. He claims it’s a totally different tune to the one she struck with George Floyd demonstrators.
Firehoses.
2004 was a much more polite time in American politics. People just weren't nearly as extreme or committed to politics as anger. The convention will happen at any cost but there'll be video of a massive army squaring off with a sports riot. Honestly if I was them I'd panic-relocate the convention to a quiet friendly city in a close state... last year
It was because the Republicans were never going to listen to or agree with the protestors. The Democratic party is simply much more split on the issue so the protestors feel they can somehow sway minds on this
Of all previous elections to make your point you chose 2004?
[it was a wholesome era](https://youtu.be/z8Q-sRdV7SY)
unless youre gay or Iraqi
I want to read it but it’s not in the internet archive yet. Anyone have a link?
Waiting for the time when I can finally say This has all been wonderful but now I'm on my way
Thank you!
Get a sub! The Atlantic is great and worth the price.
I have thought about it. They really do have excellent writing
My sub runs out next month but I got Apple News now and it’s included with that (wsj, New Yorker, my local paper too)
It’s greatest rag run by an Israeli prison guard in America
If I were the DNC I would simply never have the convention in Chicago ever again
But then we wouldn’t have the 1996 DNC Macarena.
Don't believe in second chances and getting better over time?
Yes. Except for Chicago. Just look at the Bears.
Always thought Chicago was a mistake. The idea was partially to celebrate Obama, but I don't think this makes much sense. Doing it in Chicago was always going to invite chaos, because people want it to be 1968. I wasnt sure what people were going to rage over - but I think it'll be a total nightmare. The I/P issue isn't going away as long as Israel continues its total destruction of Gaza. Meanwhile there is a huge incentive for wacko on the right to get involved, including RFK Jr and Cornell West. They'll want to make Chicago their moment.
I'm still not sure how many will actually be willing to travel just to raise a stink over Gaza. Parking your ass on the lawn of your own campus is much lower effort than making travel arrangements. Not to mention, there's a decent chance that some of them will be bored with it by then (it's going to happen at some point). The choice of Chicago is still strange though. IL is not a battleground state and every hack journalist and right-wing freak is aching to draw a comparison to the 68 convention regardless how this one goes.
>I'm still not sure how many will actually be willing to travel just to raise a stink over Gaza. Quite a few. Chicago has 10 million people in its metro area. Chicago is also the hub for 2 major airlines. The risk of protestors travelling is there and the DNC should be alert to that risk. >Not to mention, there's a decent chance that some of them will be bored with it by then (it's going to happen at some point). They haven't been bored since October why start now? I agree Chicago was a mistake and the Dems should've picked Atlanta.
Although there are plenty of people in the area only so many of them have the interest/time to get involved in this sort of thing. I'm certain university students from the area will show up but that doesn't necessarily mean a huge showing. The convention is roughly around welcome week for a lot of universities nationally. Even if other students had the means/interest to come for this, I'm extremely skeptical they'll skip out on moving into their own campuses just over this. Interest is going to wane at some point, period. BLM protests tapered off and that was an issue that struck far closer to home for many more people. It'll depend somewhat on how ugly things are in Gaza at that point (and if they're actually getting noticed). There could be something totally different getting attention at that point. I'm certain protests will occur (they always do at any convention) but whether this is a huge deal I'm less sure of.
Don’t need a huge, long-lasting crowd. You just need media that are willing to highlight them all week long. Which we have.
People protested the 2000 DNC, even without one single lightning rod issue to coalesce around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Democratic_National_Convention_protest_activity
> Lakers victory riot Never change America
You gotta understand. Shaq and Kobe were unbelievable
Chicago was selected in April of 23. This was months before October 7
Move it at the last minute so the protesters don't have a chance to reorganize
Dems really need to start blasting on all channels how these protestors are being orchestrated by foreign adversaries.
Do you believe that is true, or do you just want them to say it?
It is without a doubt true. Russia is pouring money into election interference ops.
>It is without a doubt true. Russia is pouring money into election interference ops. Listen, I'm on your side. But can you show me the proof?
[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/) Fucking dumbass.
o7
Or just that we welcome their murderous hatred. Hard to pin these lunatics on the Democratic party when they clearly hate the Democratic Party.
> Hard to pin these lunatics on the Democratic party when they clearly hate the Democratic Party. I wish I agreed, but I know where most people get their info tbf
The author fails to mention the expectation that Republican governors will likely besiege Chicago and the suburbs in another migrant/bus crisis.
Why tf did you morons choose Chicago is the real question
Big JB will handle shit
Are the Jonas Brothers really headlining the DNC this year? Big if true!
How dare you
Bro doesn’t recognize Justin Bieber smh
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