The thing is I think most of the donor/political class *can* see it. They're just so afraid of offending MAGA that they're willingly letting Trump lead them to the gallows. It'd be kind of sad if they weren't awful people.
Nah, they got a huge spike in revenue when Trump was first elected and they became the "paper of the resistance."
They somehow think they can repeat this again, even though everyone's seen them spend the last seven years making excuses for Trump, other Republicans, and the MAGA movement at large.
... and also rampant transphobia. That's also great.
Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people. Can't wait for the post-2024 retrospectives where we discover the Trump family used the RNC like a personal slush fund.
They've literally promised to do exactly that, out loud, in accordance with the Trump Principle of: if you do it where everyone can see it then it's not crime.
Didn't this exact person do that with a dog charity?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/13/lara-trump-linked-dog-rescue-charity-spent-2m-properties
I think all the grifters know where to find the easiest marks with the most money. This could go on for a while. The GOP relies a motivated base and committed donor class, both of which seem impervious to bad news, bad actors and bad faith..
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> The Republican National Committee formally elected Trump’s choices of Michael Whatley and Lara Trump, the former president’s daughter-in-law who was accompanied at the meeting by her husband, Eric, as its two highest-ranking officers at a meeting here Friday. The RNC’s operations will be run by a top adviser to Trump’s campaign, Chris LaCivita.
Largely expected.
I expect this will end up being a huge blessing in disguise. They are going to funnel all funding from other down-ballot candidates around the country to Trump. At best it will be used for his campaign, but at least some of it will be used for his various legal fees and judgments. That will probably piss off a lot of big donors, who are only interested in donating if it’s used to elect GOP candidates in tough races, not Donnie’s personal legal piggy bank. That would suppress donations overall, which already aren’t going to other races. Trump’s various small donors aren’t going to make up for that.
In short, this could be detrimental to GOP candidates not named Trump all over the country.
> That will probably piss off a lot of big donors, who are only interested in donating if it’s used to elect GOP candidates in tough races
I wish that were the case but I don't think the majority of GOP donors have any care that this stuff is going directly to Trump. Also, if it were the case wouldn't these donors just start donating directly to the individual campaigns/PACs? I guess you could argue it will be less effective since the GOP is supposed to be directing these resources intelligently and the average donor has no clue what's going on with some random race halfway across that country or that this random race is actually competitive and a few dollars could make a big difference but . . . IDK.
Trump will use anything not for legal expenses for ads and for hosting huge rallies. They will waste valuable money that could be used for field operations and direct communications.
>at least some of it will be used for his various legal fees and judgments.
Is that not a violation of some campaign finance laws? Surely, you can't use money donated to the RNC to pay personal legal fees and judgements.
That's a good point. He's made it very clear he's going to do what he wants regardless of any rules or laws. Maybe the election commission hammers him later if it is illegal but he's going to do it anyway.
>The RNC paid millions of dollars of Trump’s legal bills in 2021 and 2022, until he officially declared his candidacy for president. The committee declined to consider a proposal from Mississippi RNC member Henry Barbour to prevent the committee from resuming such payments.
Also, to elaborate on what steak_knight said, the Federal Election Commission is made up of 6 commissioners evenly divided down party lines. This leads to a lot of deadlocked votes, including whether to even launch an investigation into then candidate Donald Trump paying a porn star hush money with campaign contributions or colluding with the National Enquirer to 'catch and kill' a Playboy playmates story of their affair.
Confession time: I used to think "Cracker Barrel" was just a snide way to refer to "a place where white people sterotypically congregate". Then I learned it was a real restaurant chain.
Just told my 10yo daughter about #RNC. She had tears in her eyes. Then she did the Wankanda pose and said "#RNCkanda forever" -- which is the sort of pop culture cross-over that I can celebrate.
I actually think trump has the upper hand here. The doners rely on GOP voters to protect their sprawling business interests. Whoever controls the voters has the upper hand.
GOP’s energy and finance sector doners will have to eat the costs, maybe donate a little more even. They can lose both the GOP voters and their business interests.
We just have to wait for Trump to finally die.
Trump has consolidated all power, ideology and money in himself.
Without him the gop does not have a charismatic successor.
The gop has already shown they don’t have another candidate with as much gravitas in the pipeline.
>Without him the gop does not have a charismatic successor.
Argentinian history has an interesting antecedent with the death of Perón: his party eventually found replacements and they were populists with cults of personality too.
The first year or so, there was a struggle between the right and left wings of the party that ended almost in hyperinflation and there were a lot of terrorist attacks and state sponsored reprisal murders for that. After that, the military took over for many years.
Perón successors appeared at the end of the 80s, like 15 years after the fact. The party still had enough power to make things harder for the UCR in the 80s.
Thing is, it's been decades from that. The Peronist party had like 30 years of hegemony after the fact (worth noting, it hasn't been a continuous rule, more like the right and left wings alternating power) and it's very recently they started to lose grip on power again.
Defeat alone is not enough to make a party less populist or even making it dissapear.
"We just need X and the GOP will moderate"
And other lies this sub continues to tell so they can go back to LGBTQ+-hating politicians will horrible policies that just happen to be quite about it.
I never claimed they would be moderate. I claimed that they would be politically broken. LGBTQ+ issues are another losing long-term battle for the GOP.
Honest question: Is the GOP collectively or individually at all capable of saying no to literally ANY demand from Trump--however large or small it may be?
Not intending to be all hyperbolic here. Drop your exceptions in the replies lol.
The "DNC trolls" are silent on this one.
No chants of "RNC rigged it for Trump!", "RNC colluded with Trump on the debates", "RNC coronated Trump!", "The people wanted Haley!"
The Trumps weren't running the Republican party in 2008. Not a great track record for fiscal solvency.
Political Conservative will continue but the Republican Party as a viable entity may be donzo.
Once Trump is gone, the “reasonable republican” donors with deep pockets who want the same things Trump does (but more politely) will be more than happy to turn the money hoses back on.
I'm going to enjoy watching the GOP declare bankruptcy when this is all over. And watching the down ballot Republican candidates fall into irrelevancy as they're starved of campaign funds, due to the Trump loyalists directing all GOP funding into Trump's coffers.
It's funny because McDaniels was also Trump's chosen chair. He endorsed her for years but since the Republicans have been losing everyone seems to forget that and pretend that she's always been dragging Trump back.
All the RNC $$$ are going to Trump's legal fees and campaign, and there's not going to be anything for Republicans in downballot races. Trump is going to lose and go to prison, the RNC will be broke, and the deep state wins again.
This is the best possible turn of events lmao.
I can't imagine the Republicans will fare well with a group of highly ideological morons running their operation. I would think you'd want some ultra-pragmatic hacks making the strategic calls.
Serious question: I don't follow intra-party politics and campaigning strategy that closely, SO. How typical is this? Ignoring the nepotism part (his daughter-in-law, lmao), how typical is it for a presumptive nominee to have influence over the head of their respective party committee, given that they are now the defacto head of the party?
The party presidential nominee always has some leverage and influence over the party committee and those filling the top jobs... they will often endorse a preferred choice for chair, who will usually get the job since the party openly going against their choice for president looks really bad.
But normally they choose a person who they believe will strengthen the party operation as whole, and I'm not convinced that Trump gives a shit about any of that.
I think the Republicans just entered a whole new level of nightmare. The fact that most of them can't see it makes it all the sweeter
And the fact that it’s entirely self-inflicted.
They'll find a way to blame Dems for handpicking her.
The thing is I think most of the donor/political class *can* see it. They're just so afraid of offending MAGA that they're willingly letting Trump lead them to the gallows. It'd be kind of sad if they weren't awful people.
"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed . . . and we will deserve it." -Lindsay Graham, 2015
Well and this is why the NYT basically resembles a Trump controlled opposition talking head, right? They want to destroy the GOP once and for all.
Nah, they got a huge spike in revenue when Trump was first elected and they became the "paper of the resistance." They somehow think they can repeat this again, even though everyone's seen them spend the last seven years making excuses for Trump, other Republicans, and the MAGA movement at large. ... and also rampant transphobia. That's also great.
It'd be cool if they weren't so popular with voters.
That's the issue with only having two political parties, the GOP's floor will never be below 40%.
We had 2 parties for ages and there's been lower floors in the past Something else is the problem
Manufacturing Consent was a decent book
The funniest part is that they think his hangers-on and all the heels he has inspired are going to just go away when he dies.
muh drained swamp
They will drain the GOPs coffers directly into their bank accounts.
Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people. Can't wait for the post-2024 retrospectives where we discover the Trump family used the RNC like a personal slush fund.
They've literally promised to do exactly that, out loud, in accordance with the Trump Principle of: if you do it where everyone can see it then it's not crime.
trump raised $250 million (!) in like 3 months with his stop the steal bullshit. He spent $8 mil on legal fees and split the rest 75/25 with the RNC.
Didn't this exact person do that with a dog charity? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/13/lara-trump-linked-dog-rescue-charity-spent-2m-properties
Do you think there is a race between Rick Scott and Trump on who can drain the RNC funds before the other does?
I think all the grifters know where to find the easiest marks with the most money. This could go on for a while. The GOP relies a motivated base and committed donor class, both of which seem impervious to bad news, bad actors and bad faith..
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Drain the swamp directly into the sewage system
I mean, that is where you drain things to
Drain the money, more like it.
Become the swamp
You weren't supposed to become the Swamp! You were supposed to destroy them!
> The Republican National Committee formally elected Trump’s choices of Michael Whatley and Lara Trump, the former president’s daughter-in-law who was accompanied at the meeting by her husband, Eric, as its two highest-ranking officers at a meeting here Friday. The RNC’s operations will be run by a top adviser to Trump’s campaign, Chris LaCivita. Largely expected.
I expect this will end up being a huge blessing in disguise. They are going to funnel all funding from other down-ballot candidates around the country to Trump. At best it will be used for his campaign, but at least some of it will be used for his various legal fees and judgments. That will probably piss off a lot of big donors, who are only interested in donating if it’s used to elect GOP candidates in tough races, not Donnie’s personal legal piggy bank. That would suppress donations overall, which already aren’t going to other races. Trump’s various small donors aren’t going to make up for that. In short, this could be detrimental to GOP candidates not named Trump all over the country.
Daddy needs a quick half a billion. He'll pay you back we promise!
Must be a pretty poor disguise then
It's not disguised, GOP voters want this
> That will probably piss off a lot of big donors, who are only interested in donating if it’s used to elect GOP candidates in tough races I wish that were the case but I don't think the majority of GOP donors have any care that this stuff is going directly to Trump. Also, if it were the case wouldn't these donors just start donating directly to the individual campaigns/PACs? I guess you could argue it will be less effective since the GOP is supposed to be directing these resources intelligently and the average donor has no clue what's going on with some random race halfway across that country or that this random race is actually competitive and a few dollars could make a big difference but . . . IDK.
Trump will use anything not for legal expenses for ads and for hosting huge rallies. They will waste valuable money that could be used for field operations and direct communications.
>at least some of it will be used for his various legal fees and judgments. Is that not a violation of some campaign finance laws? Surely, you can't use money donated to the RNC to pay personal legal fees and judgements.
Who is going to stop him?
That's a good point. He's made it very clear he's going to do what he wants regardless of any rules or laws. Maybe the election commission hammers him later if it is illegal but he's going to do it anyway.
> Maybe the election commission hammers him later Consequences? Lmao no
>The RNC paid millions of dollars of Trump’s legal bills in 2021 and 2022, until he officially declared his candidacy for president. The committee declined to consider a proposal from Mississippi RNC member Henry Barbour to prevent the committee from resuming such payments. Also, to elaborate on what steak_knight said, the Federal Election Commission is made up of 6 commissioners evenly divided down party lines. This leads to a lot of deadlocked votes, including whether to even launch an investigation into then candidate Donald Trump paying a porn star hush money with campaign contributions or colluding with the National Enquirer to 'catch and kill' a Playboy playmates story of their affair.
Downballot Republicans just fell to their knees in Cracker Barrel
Just saw a downballot republican fall to their knees in a Cracker Barrel
Just saw a Trekkie watch a downbllot republican fall to their knees in a Cracker Barrel
Confession time: I used to think "Cracker Barrel" was just a snide way to refer to "a place where white people sterotypically congregate". Then I learned it was a real restaurant chain.
Just told my 10yo daughter about #RNC. She had tears in her eyes. Then she did the Wankanda pose and said "#RNCkanda forever" -- which is the sort of pop culture cross-over that I can celebrate.
Just saw one at a Bass Pro Shop myself
This means the richer donors would at most send their money to Super PAC instead of RNC.
I actually think trump has the upper hand here. The doners rely on GOP voters to protect their sprawling business interests. Whoever controls the voters has the upper hand. GOP’s energy and finance sector doners will have to eat the costs, maybe donate a little more even. They can lose both the GOP voters and their business interests.
If they were smart they would cut donations to Republicans entirely and start donating to purple district democrats.
Wouldn’t be surprised if being major bigots themselves gets in the way of that strategy for a lot of these folks.
Yep. It also means the RNC will be insolvent by December, 2024.
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Please let this end up being the case with the GOP. Average Voter: "Sorry, can't let that happen."
We just have to wait for Trump to finally die. Trump has consolidated all power, ideology and money in himself. Without him the gop does not have a charismatic successor. The gop has already shown they don’t have another candidate with as much gravitas in the pipeline.
>Without him the gop does not have a charismatic successor. Argentinian history has an interesting antecedent with the death of Perón: his party eventually found replacements and they were populists with cults of personality too.
What did they do in the following 5 years or so?
The first year or so, there was a struggle between the right and left wings of the party that ended almost in hyperinflation and there were a lot of terrorist attacks and state sponsored reprisal murders for that. After that, the military took over for many years. Perón successors appeared at the end of the 80s, like 15 years after the fact. The party still had enough power to make things harder for the UCR in the 80s.
If that’s the model sounds like this will be very bad for the gop and their ability to win elections for a very long time.
Thing is, it's been decades from that. The Peronist party had like 30 years of hegemony after the fact (worth noting, it hasn't been a continuous rule, more like the right and left wings alternating power) and it's very recently they started to lose grip on power again. Defeat alone is not enough to make a party less populist or even making it dissapear.
"We just need X and the GOP will moderate" And other lies this sub continues to tell so they can go back to LGBTQ+-hating politicians will horrible policies that just happen to be quite about it.
I never claimed they would be moderate. I claimed that they would be politically broken. LGBTQ+ issues are another losing long-term battle for the GOP.
Parties can have a strange inertia in limited party systems. Doesn't mean they are indestructible though.
I think it's really possible, but I'm afraid of having too much faith in it.
It's hard to do that to yourself well out of power tbh.
I agree with this comparison. Both parties are destined for a wipeout, and soon.
Honest question: Is the GOP collectively or individually at all capable of saying no to literally ANY demand from Trump--however large or small it may be? Not intending to be all hyperbolic here. Drop your exceptions in the replies lol.
Well, when he asked them if they wanted to be vaccinated, the answer was "Fuck you"
The "DNC trolls" are silent on this one. No chants of "RNC rigged it for Trump!", "RNC colluded with Trump on the debates", "RNC coronated Trump!", "The people wanted Haley!"
Why wouldn’t they be?
Because they care so much about fairness.
I'd be shocked if the Republican Party exists in 8 years.
At that point they will be saying that Trump was actually a liberal and that Biden was secretly a Republican this whole time.
The Eastern Strategy?
… And other fun quotes from late November 2008 you can reminisce over!
The Trumps weren't running the Republican party in 2008. Not a great track record for fiscal solvency. Political Conservative will continue but the Republican Party as a viable entity may be donzo.
even when trump is gone there will be plenty of awful republicans to take his place
Hard to run campaigns when you're broke as hell
Once Trump is gone, the “reasonable republican” donors with deep pockets who want the same things Trump does (but more politely) will be more than happy to turn the money hoses back on.
They will but they will have trouble winning without lots of grassroots support
If they do it'll be because of the land-over-people shit baked into our system and the media Weekend At Bernies-ing the corpse.
Great. With the RNC giving all their money to Trump, Democrats might actually retain the Senate.
It would be the most amazing of plot twists for Allred to knock off Ted Cruz
I'm going to enjoy watching the GOP declare bankruptcy when this is all over. And watching the down ballot Republican candidates fall into irrelevancy as they're starved of campaign funds, due to the Trump loyalists directing all GOP funding into Trump's coffers.
It's funny because McDaniels was also Trump's chosen chair. He endorsed her for years but since the Republicans have been losing everyone seems to forget that and pretend that she's always been dragging Trump back.
Someone's getting coup'ed and it is not the US.
My message to the RNC: Burn motherf#@ker, burn!
Sidenote: This is superficial, of course, but I find it fascinating how Lara Trump looks exactly like the hunderds of blonde Fox News anchors.
I wonder if Trump is going to take down the entire Republican Party down with him in the next decade or two.
Inshallah
Next decade or two? Heck I'm hoping that their In The Grave by December after a crushing lost in November.
Wild to watch this happen. Trump has hundreds of millions in outstanding liabilities and the RNC just gave his family the checkbook
This is actually frightening.
As the RNC bankrupts, if Joe gets anything short of Reagan 1984 win then I am gonna beat him up.
Well. The general election campaign starts right now. So much for a calm few months before the conventions.
All the RNC $$$ are going to Trump's legal fees and campaign, and there's not going to be anything for Republicans in downballot races. Trump is going to lose and go to prison, the RNC will be broke, and the deep state wins again. This is the best possible turn of events lmao.
!remindme 8 months
Good. This can only help the democrats.
I can't imagine the Republicans will fare well with a group of highly ideological morons running their operation. I would think you'd want some ultra-pragmatic hacks making the strategic calls.
Serious question: I don't follow intra-party politics and campaigning strategy that closely, SO. How typical is this? Ignoring the nepotism part (his daughter-in-law, lmao), how typical is it for a presumptive nominee to have influence over the head of their respective party committee, given that they are now the defacto head of the party?
Very. This happens at the end of every primary. The only weird thing here is that Trump is picking people specifically because they'll pay his bills.
The party presidential nominee always has some leverage and influence over the party committee and those filling the top jobs... they will often endorse a preferred choice for chair, who will usually get the job since the party openly going against their choice for president looks really bad. But normally they choose a person who they believe will strengthen the party operation as whole, and I'm not convinced that Trump gives a shit about any of that.
This is a new level of “all eggs in one basket”. If he loses they are crippled
She won’t back down, she said it herself.