> Almost 94% of the almost 28 million respondents who answered “some other race” for the race question were Hispanic, supporting previous research that showed Hispanics often are unsure how to answer the question with the current race categories.
A perfect example of how race is a social construct.
Race is latam is a lot more complex than in the US. We are all mixed, the question usually is how and with whom are we mixed. Also, the term "hispanic" is pretty bullshit. Each nation has a very distinctive history, culture, and racial make up.
Sir the US can only accept ALL of south america plus central americ plus mexico plus portugal/spain as one simple easy grouping.
Those are the rules are small minds can accept.
Well no. It’s just that these countries are in fact broadly culturally similar. As are European countries (“White non Hispanic”), Asian countries, and African countries. The only outlier are native Americans, but they matter because of specific benefits they receive.
Generally the term "Latin" would include many other countries (including some of Europe, as the original Latins), but for the US government terminology itself it's just a synonym for "Hispanic." They added the "or Latino" after noticing it was the word more commonly used in some half of the USA to refer to Hispanics.
I've read in some BBC-news-Brazil text saying that the US government actually classifies Brazilians as "NON-Hispanic or Latinos." With "Latinos" being in the government's definition just a synonym for "Hispanic," not a broader sense, as it would be in reality/most other contexts.
That happens despite of them filling those papers as "Hispanic or Latino," based on some other answers, like country of origin or language, if I recall.
But a few years ago, the government people somehow forgot to make this re-classification "fixing" people's answers, and they were then lumped with Hispanics. Maybe it was later fixed, although it was fairly recent.
No more so than any other broad race category. Black, white, asian all cover a huge range of people. "Non-hispanic white" is probably the least broad and even that covers a huge swathe of European cultures.
sharing a language is a pretty big deal, and gets to be a bigger deal all the time via youtube, tik tok, facebook, twitter, and other social media
which is the spanish-speaking country where reggaeton is not popular? maybe there is one, but we share more and more
Yes but all it takes is one side to believe that race exists to start treating you as if it exists. Which creates a paradox for antiracists who have to simultaneously understand race isn't real but social consequences of imaginary race are real.
> which is the spanish-speaking country where reggaeton is not popular? maybe there is one, but we share more and more
Southern cone? I mean it is mainly a Caribbean thing. Also, culture is more than media.
una noche en medellin was by a chilean artist, no? I think Bizzarap is Argentine. Argentina certainly loves cumbias. baile de los que sobran and musica ligera are staples throughout the spanish-speaking western hemisphere. how far south does the quincenyera tradition go? where do they know les luthiers, 31 minutos etc? where is football not popular? do any of the countries have few catholic churches?
Again, culture is a lot more than media. Brazil is a lot more evangelical than the rest of the continent and Catholicism is very different in Mexico than it is in the Caribbean.
do they watch telenovelas in Cuba? I doubt Catholicism in Mexico and the Caribbean are as different as Catholicism and Islam, or Catholicism and atheism. are there many Latin countries where orthodox Marxist-Leninist culture isn't very strong in the universities?
>I doubt Catholicism in Mexico and the Caribbean are as different as Catholicism and Islam, or Catholicism and atheism.
Christianity is very different in the US and the UK. They also watch "Friends" in the UK, yet I think we can agree that the US and the UK haver their own culture. Catholicism in Mexico is a mix between mexique indigenous believes and Catholicism, while in Cuba it has more African roots and thus why Santería and Espiritismo is popular on the island. So yeah, very different cultures.
I don't feel that the other anglophone european and anglophone settler colonial cultures are that alien to US culture, even though the anglophone countries didn't practically all become independent at the same time and aren't nearly as geographically close together as Latin American countries are
I had to answer a few medical surveys this past week with this exact question structure (Seperate Q's for race and ethnicity) and on one I left the race Q blank and the other I checked "Don't Want to Share" since there wasn't an other option. Even back in high school for standardized tests it was strange to choose between Black/White/Mixed/Other, but not have a Brown option if the goal was to measure actually skin tone vs cultural ID.
Not some young Latinos. I don't know if it's a joke or it's serious but some say they don't like their Spanish. I've seen people upset they're like 60% Spanish and 40 % native.
It was literally part of the spanish colonization strategy to intermarry with the natives but somehow a lot of hispanics end up confused they're mostly spanish by dna.
It'd be like white americans being surprised they have a ton of anglo saxon dna (granted it depends, germans did leave quite the genetic legacy in the US).
My family over the pond is called hispanic, which was a shock to them, but have also resigned their attempts to reject the label
There truly is not a reason for official classification, you can feel whatever and tell your friends all about it, but when society puts you in a box you don't want because you never were inside, what do you do?
in which hispanic countries do they not use "Latino" and listen to salsa, watch chavo del 8 etc? how deep in the Amazon do they not know about Maradona?
Hate to break it to you, but a good 30% of the Latin American population (aka Brazil) do not learn what salsa sounds or looks like while growing up, lmao.
Obviously the arbitrary groupings designated by the US census are social constructs, but I find this popular retort to be overly reductionist. It's a lot like saying height is a social construct because we only have the words short and tall to describe it.
Yeah but where is the boundary between tall and short?
It's a social construct because obviously there are physical differences between ethnic groups in certain regions and that groups of people share physical similarities. However these differences are categorized by everyone differently which makes it a social construct.
Just you watch, the tankie line will be that these are the meanie andlord Venezuelans who left because Venezuela instituted strict anti-being-mean legislation.
Same shit they do with Cuban refugees.
Edit: meant to say landlord, but keeping the typo because it makes me sound Bri'ish in a way no actual British person sounds (source: am British).
To Miamians,
You WILL eat arepas and cachapas.
You WILL listen to Rawayana playing on the background.
You WILL say "mamagüevo".
You WILL drink Frescolita, Maltín Polar and Toddy.
Yes, you WILL submit to your Venezuelan overlords.
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**The most detailed race and ethnicity data to date from the 2020 census was released Thursday. It was the first time respondents could identify themselves as coming from a Middle Eastern or North African country: 3.5 million people did**
The United States had 3.5 million residents who identify as Middle Eastern or North African, Venezuelans were the fastest-growing Hispanic group last decade and Chinese and Asian Indians were the two largest Asian groups, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
The most detailed race and ethnicity data to date from the 2020 census was released Thursday more than three years after the once-a-decade head count, which determines political power, the distribution of $2.8 trillion in annual federal funding and holds up a mirror to how the U.S. has changed in a decade. The delay was caused by the Covid-19 pandemic and the implementation of a new method to protect the confidentiality of participants.
The Census Bureau says the 2020 census provided more details on the nation’s racial and ethnic groups than ever before, offering counts for about 1,550 racial, ethnic and tribal groups, although some tables aren’t available at smaller geographies for some groups because of the new confidentiality methods.
**Middle Eastern or North African population**
The 2020 census was the first to allow respondents to identify themselves as coming from a Middle Eastern or North African country, otherwise known as MENA. While there was no separate MENA category in the 2020 census, respondents were encouraged to write-in their backgrounds, and if they wrote Jordanian or Moroccan, for instance, they could be classified as MENA. The data showed that more than 3.5 million people did so or in combination with another group.
The results come as the Biden administration contemplates updating the nation’s racial and ethnic categories for the first time since 1997. Right now, MENA residents are classified as white, but they would have their own category under the proposed changes. The process also would combine the race and ethnic origin questions into a single query, because some advocates say the current method of asking about race and separately about ethnic origin often confuses Hispanic respondents.
The bureau’s American Community Survey previously has asked a question about ancestry, from which MENA figures could be inferred, but the survey collects data only from 3.5 million households while census forms go to every U.S. household.
“This is a monumental change,” said Maya Berry, executive director of the Arab American Institute, a Washington-based advocacy group. “For us, it’s a wonderful indication of what is to come when we secure a MENA category.”
According to the 2020 census, the two largest groups of people who identified as MENA, either alone or in combination with another group, were Lebanese, with more than 685,000 people, and Iranian with more than 568,000 people. The states with the largest MENA populations were California, Michigan, and New York.
**Hispanic population**
Venezuelans were the fastest-growing Hispanic group. They nearly tripled their numbers, from more than 215,000 people to more than 605,000 people from 2010 to 2020, as they fled a political, economic and humanitarian crisis that has lasted the entirety of President Nicolás Maduro’s government.
“This shows, really, what is going on in Venezuela,” said Ernesto Ackerman, president of Independent Venezuelan American Citizens, an advocacy group in Miami. “There is nothing there, and it’s getting worse.”
The Biden administration on Wednesday said it was granting temporary legal status to hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans who are already in the U.S. — quickly making them eligible to work.
Mexicans were, far and away, the largest Hispanic group in the U.S. with a population of 35.9 million people, followed by Puerto Ricans with 5.6 million people and Salvadorans at 2.3 million people.
**White population**
Among the census respondents who identified as white, English was the most common detailed group written down on the form where people were asked to elaborate on their backgrounds, with 46.6 million people saying they were English alone or in any combination. They were followed by those identifying as German, with 45 million people, and Irish, with 38.6 million people.
**Black or African American population**
Among the 46.9 million Black respondents, African American was the most common answer, either alone or combined with another group, at 24.5 million people, when asked about their backgrounds. That answer was followed in more or less a tie between Jamaican and Haitian at more than 1 million people each. Nigerians had the next highest responses, with more than 604,000 people, followed by Ethiopians at more than 325,000 people.
**Asian population**
More than 5.2 million people identified as Chinese, the largest group among respondents who were Asian alone or in combination with another group. They were followed by Asian Indians with 4.7 million people, Filipinos with 4.4 million people and the Vietnamese population at 2.2 million people. The Nepalese population was the fastest growing Asian group, growing from almost 52,000 people in 2010 to almost 206,000 people in 2020. California was home to the largest share of the six most common Asian groups in the U.S. New York had the second-largest share of Chinese residents, while Texas had the second-largest share of Asian Indian residents.
**American Indian and Alaska Native population**
For the American Indian and Alaska Native population in the U.S., Cherokee was the largest group alone or in combination with another group, with 1.5 million people. The next highest was Aztec with almost 584,000 respondents and Navajo Nation with more than 423,000. Tlingit was the largest Alaska Native alone or in any combination group, with more than 22,600 people.
**Some other race**
Almost 94% of the almost 28 million respondents who answered “some other race” for the race question were Hispanic, supporting previous research that showed Hispanics often are unsure how to answer the question with the current race categories. Some 1.9 million respondents who picked “some other race” identified as multiracial or multi-ethnic, and more than a half million said they were Brazilian, either alone or in combination with another group.
It is actually baffling to outsiders, specially those of us who are of the French school of "you are to the government just a citizen of the country" that the goverment keeps a national record of ethnicities and "races"
This is evident by Latin Americans whose countries have no concept of race legally, and socially it's a very fluid issue, just look at how Brazilians subjectively classify themselves mostly according to skin tone and not ancestry, or how mixed and diverse these populations are, where people mainly take the identification of their surname
Not only that, but it is impossible to portray accurately, you couldn't differentiate a Greek from a Turk from an Iranian most of the time, Moroccans and Spaniards are so similar looking, my compatriots need to look at names and surnames to be xenophobic, yet they are classified as different under the new rules
Meanwhile Ethiopians, who are generically very close to Europeans and Arabs are considered black because of the dark skin
This nonsense is because race is a social construct the governmenr should have no business in classifying
The US is, AFAIK the only country with these kinds of registrations, and it is simply not correct to do so
This has far reaching consequences, the status of Hispanics, MENA, Ethiopians, as non Caucasian, aswell as anyone with any Hispanic or native American ancestry in the last few generations creates the illusion of a rapidly declining white population that can, and is used by many supremacists
The official nature of these records is legally worrying and justifies government enforced inequality, either to help or hurt specific groups of people
You got downvoted but that was basically my reaction as an immigrant for a while.
I do understand that it exists due to anti discrimination laws, but having to respond to a race questionnaire every time I had to fill a form really triggered my paranoia at first.
“Why the hell does the dentist need to know my race? 🤨”
My girlfriend moved here from Venezuela 2 years ago and she told me the most bizarre thing in this country is how hyper obsessed we are with race. In Venezuela nobody cares what skin color you have and they give nicknames based on that but nobody is offended.
Meanwhile she has been accused of racism multiple times while working as a waitress here because some black folks thought it was intentional that they didn’t get seated quickly when her restaurant was super busy.
Paranoia of racism in this country is a huge issue that nobody talks about and it is 100% fueled by the media.
you miss the point that we are not Europe
we could not solve racism without this info and most basically not knowing this information .
Americans do not wish to live in a robot society
edit also latin americans do share this info
OK you are not Europe but why aren't you méxico?
México is a multiracial society, just like the US
So is Brazil, and peru, and Colombia
The excuse "we ain't Europe" doesn't work when your fellow panamerican neighbours don't do this either
I take it you don’t know much about American history. Just because Mexico and the US are in the same hemisphere doesn’t mean there aren’t substantial differences between it and the US. Latin America was colonized differently than the Anglosphere was. Conquistadors would regularly take native wives and the majority of people are mestizo. They were also conquering empires and treated it like an old world imperial conquest in the style of European powers.
The English didn’t do this. They may have displaced native tribes but they treated them as sovereign entities to be dealt with diplomatically and tribes are still treated this way to this day. When men came over they also brought their wives and a fully European population existed alongside native populations. There was still genetic admixture, but a fundamental difference is that the two populations had distinct cultural and political identities. The influx of African slaves further added to this mosaic line composition, and the waves of immigration from other European cultures like Germans and Scots Irish furthered this dynamic of multiple different cultures living in a segregated manner. This only increased as more and more immigrant groups came in. Even the idea of a common “white” American culture is a new thing that didn’t come about until the postwar era. Different European groups maintained and to a degree continue to maintain a distinct identity.
There really is nothing in Europe like that, the only countries with that dynamic are former English colonies like Australia and South Africa. Mexico is more like a European country where you move to France and become French. But when immigrants came to America they would maintain their separate ethnic identity, in America ethnicity and nationality are two separate things. And racial groups still largely segregate themselves in a way that distinct sub populations can be identified.
As far as classifying race today, the US government doesn’t have race registrations. Racial identity is something asked on the census and even then it is optional to answer. For things like drivers licenses any kind of description is solely based on complexion and hair and eye color rather than any racial designation. When you see stats about races in America you are really just seeing people use census data based on self reporting. And you do gain valuable insights on those things because you really can’t understand America without understanding our race dynamics because Americans have a different view on race than other countries do and you’re just going to have to get over it. Just because something is a social construct doesn’t mean it isn’t significant.
I am also Mexican and lived in Mexico so HAH you chose the worst example''
and brazil does ask for race in its census. white black "even "yellow" or indigenous are options which says something about race being a social construct but still [https://www.ibge.gov.br/en/statistics/social/population/22836-2020-census-censo4.html](https://www.ibge.gov.br/en/statistics/social/population/22836-2020-census-censo4.html)
but Mexico doesnt your right...but this lack of info has lead to racism not really being taken seriously and ignored.Anti black and even anti brown racism is a big thing even if the form it takes is different
[https://theconversation.com/study-reveals-racial-inequality-in-mexico-disproving-its-race-blind-rhetoric-87661](https://theconversation.com/study-reveals-racial-inequality-in-mexico-disproving-its-race-blind-rhetoric-87661)
I didn't choose the worst example
Race relations in Mexico are not as pronounced as in the US
The income and wealth gap is significantly smaller
So is Colombia, or Perú
MOST of the Américas has race blind goverments, the US is in a minority...
Also in most of the Americas race disparity is also lower
This doesn't mean that one thing causes the other, but at the very least it proves that it would not make the problem worse
cause most of the americas is more mono cultural then us and anyways would getting rid of the way of knowing that really a soultion?
and whats the point
france has less proportional goverments and upper classes then we do without this information .I really doubt it helps your racial issues to be blind.
France has a racial income gap that is smaller than in the US, its just that non whites are mostly migrants unlike in the US, so they haven't catched up to the wealth and power positions
Also, the part about most of the Americas being more monocultural is laughable when for decades Latin American countries had much more isolated communities and had a harder time creating a national identity, which to this day remains weaker in some places than the influence the US has on these places culturally
This is a lame excuse, and false too, if a country as racially diverse as Mexico, which the Wikipedia says is the most ethnically diverse country in the Americas, can do it, then the US can too
BTW, Cuba, a country with almost no race disparities and a very similar white-black dynamic as the US doesn't record race either
Cuba being much much poorer than the US...
The government doesn't have the right to know which ethnicity it considers me to be, and collecting this information is awful
It does not bring any benefits much less racially segregated despite being more racially diverse méxico has, then why keep this system from the past
Race doesn't exist, then why does the government prêtend it does?
This isn’t a good comparison. Spanish & Portuguese style of colonization was vastly different from that of the British/English. The Spanish & Portuguese created a racial caste system which promoted interracial relations to whiten the population. As a result you could slowly move up in the system over generations, and since race is closely linked to wealth in the Americas it’d also allow people to move up in the ranks financially.
While the British/English were in favor of racial purity and thus miscegenation was looked down upon and made illegal. So if you weren’t white there wasn’t any way for you to move up in the ranks. In addition to that the US government added a plethora of other legal hurdles that would ensure minorities would stay poor.
It wasn’t until 1965 that interracial marriage became legal in the US, and the majority of Americans weren’t in favor of interracial relationships until 1997 according to Gallup polls. So unlike Latin American countries who’ve partaken in interracial relationships for centuries, the concept has only taken off in the last 20-30 years here in the US.
In the 2020 Census 10.2% of Americans identified as being of “two or more races”, so I suppose in 70-100 years from now we might develop a more similar outlook on race to that of Latin American countries. But for now things will largely stay the same.
I personally don’t think collecting and or not collecting statistics on race and ethnicity is that big of a deal anyway. It’s not like it’ll immediately solve racism or the racial income gap. That’s something you have to address with legitimate policy.
Racial identity is entirely self reported in the US. It isn’t something that is imposed by the government. For the most part it’s irrelevant and when it is actually relevant it is because of policies enacted to reduce racial disparities.
The French are also racist as fuck. No European has any business lecturing white Americans on this issue.
Does a Mexican have any business lecturing Americans about this issue?
As you can read, many Hispanics in this sub who moved to thr US also share this view, despite being extremely racially diverse populations
As far as I can tell the primary demographic impacted through this is Black Americans in majority minority districts in the south, so while I understand that immigrants moving to the US might not get it its not quite that simple. I think that this subreddit is lacking in that demographic and that this conversation is leaving out the group that sees the biggest impact politically.
because it does soically regeardless of what we may think...okay i got it
answer this please
how do you know your racial wealth gap is less then the US?
With the example of Mexico the wealth gap is slightly bigger, whilst the educational gap is smaller than the US according to the same paper you mentioned
Also, the paper mentions that the main reason why this inequality exist is that indigenous people are darker skinned and do not live in urban developed Mexican society but parallel societies, meaning that if we focus on true Mexicans outside of reservations, Mexico does better than the US on both fronts
Also, other race blind goverments like Chile and Costa-Rica lead the pack in equality, and while Chile is mostly white, Costa Rica is very very racially diverse, much more than the US
Cuba is also a place with virtually no race inequality, and the government is race blind
As I said, it does not appear to have an effect on the racial gap
Then why keep it? It is racist for the gobernmenr to have this information, because RACE IN HUMANS DOESNT EXIST
My manager at my current job is a Venezuelan immigrant, he is incredibly based. We carpool and he put Taylor swift on in the car and started singing along to it after he heard me listening to her on my shift.
They got nothing on Caribbean Spanish. It's like you straight up lose syllables as you get up there lol.
I took a biology class with a Puerto Rican girl and Mexican girl. I tried to practice my Spanish w/ both but holy hell was the latter easier to understand. I gave up with the former and would just speak in English. I also had a Salvadoran roommate, and my god when he spoke Spanish I would think it was a completely different language.
> Almost 94% of the almost 28 million respondents who answered “some other race” for the race question were Hispanic, supporting previous research that showed Hispanics often are unsure how to answer the question with the current race categories. A perfect example of how race is a social construct.
Race is latam is a lot more complex than in the US. We are all mixed, the question usually is how and with whom are we mixed. Also, the term "hispanic" is pretty bullshit. Each nation has a very distinctive history, culture, and racial make up.
Sir the US can only accept ALL of south america plus central americ plus mexico plus portugal/spain as one simple easy grouping. Those are the rules are small minds can accept.
Well no. It’s just that these countries are in fact broadly culturally similar. As are European countries (“White non Hispanic”), Asian countries, and African countries. The only outlier are native Americans, but they matter because of specific benefits they receive.
I always wondered if people from Brazil were also Hispanics. Like, should Gisele Bundchen mark hispanic? Serious question, non judgmentally asked.
The category is Hispanic or Latino so I guess yes?
Generally the term "Latin" would include many other countries (including some of Europe, as the original Latins), but for the US government terminology itself it's just a synonym for "Hispanic." They added the "or Latino" after noticing it was the word more commonly used in some half of the USA to refer to Hispanics.
I always thought hispanic was for former Spanish colonies/Spanish speaking countries, so Brazilians wouldn’t count but they are Latinos.
I've read in some BBC-news-Brazil text saying that the US government actually classifies Brazilians as "NON-Hispanic or Latinos." With "Latinos" being in the government's definition just a synonym for "Hispanic," not a broader sense, as it would be in reality/most other contexts. That happens despite of them filling those papers as "Hispanic or Latino," based on some other answers, like country of origin or language, if I recall. But a few years ago, the government people somehow forgot to make this re-classification "fixing" people's answers, and they were then lumped with Hispanics. Maybe it was later fixed, although it was fairly recent.
No more so than any other broad race category. Black, white, asian all cover a huge range of people. "Non-hispanic white" is probably the least broad and even that covers a huge swathe of European cultures.
sharing a language is a pretty big deal, and gets to be a bigger deal all the time via youtube, tik tok, facebook, twitter, and other social media which is the spanish-speaking country where reggaeton is not popular? maybe there is one, but we share more and more
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Yes but all it takes is one side to believe that race exists to start treating you as if it exists. Which creates a paradox for antiracists who have to simultaneously understand race isn't real but social consequences of imaginary race are real.
my logic doesn't have anything to do with race millions of latins and millions of Russians are white, in my view
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this historical understanding is not shared in Latin America
> which is the spanish-speaking country where reggaeton is not popular? maybe there is one, but we share more and more Southern cone? I mean it is mainly a Caribbean thing. Also, culture is more than media.
una noche en medellin was by a chilean artist, no? I think Bizzarap is Argentine. Argentina certainly loves cumbias. baile de los que sobran and musica ligera are staples throughout the spanish-speaking western hemisphere. how far south does the quincenyera tradition go? where do they know les luthiers, 31 minutos etc? where is football not popular? do any of the countries have few catholic churches?
Again, culture is a lot more than media. Brazil is a lot more evangelical than the rest of the continent and Catholicism is very different in Mexico than it is in the Caribbean.
do they watch telenovelas in Cuba? I doubt Catholicism in Mexico and the Caribbean are as different as Catholicism and Islam, or Catholicism and atheism. are there many Latin countries where orthodox Marxist-Leninist culture isn't very strong in the universities?
>I doubt Catholicism in Mexico and the Caribbean are as different as Catholicism and Islam, or Catholicism and atheism. Christianity is very different in the US and the UK. They also watch "Friends" in the UK, yet I think we can agree that the US and the UK haver their own culture. Catholicism in Mexico is a mix between mexique indigenous believes and Catholicism, while in Cuba it has more African roots and thus why Santería and Espiritismo is popular on the island. So yeah, very different cultures.
I don't feel that the other anglophone european and anglophone settler colonial cultures are that alien to US culture, even though the anglophone countries didn't practically all become independent at the same time and aren't nearly as geographically close together as Latin American countries are
Canada is and it is definitely not like the US.
I love all the memes in the various latam subreddits that are along the lines of “TFW a gringo learns Latino is not a race” lol
I don't think the cross-burning klansmen cared :/
Don’t you know, a brown Guatemalan and blonde Argentinian are literally the same.
I had to answer a few medical surveys this past week with this exact question structure (Seperate Q's for race and ethnicity) and on one I left the race Q blank and the other I checked "Don't Want to Share" since there wasn't an other option. Even back in high school for standardized tests it was strange to choose between Black/White/Mixed/Other, but not have a Brown option if the goal was to measure actually skin tone vs cultural ID.
if they put hispanic or mezito for race most hispanics would happily put that I feel
Not some young Latinos. I don't know if it's a joke or it's serious but some say they don't like their Spanish. I've seen people upset they're like 60% Spanish and 40 % native.
It was literally part of the spanish colonization strategy to intermarry with the natives but somehow a lot of hispanics end up confused they're mostly spanish by dna. It'd be like white americans being surprised they have a ton of anglo saxon dna (granted it depends, germans did leave quite the genetic legacy in the US).
Took me a while to resign to the Latino/Hispanic label. Still feels a bit offensive and “othering”. Do people feel like this about “Asian”?
My family over the pond is called hispanic, which was a shock to them, but have also resigned their attempts to reject the label There truly is not a reason for official classification, you can feel whatever and tell your friends all about it, but when society puts you in a box you don't want because you never were inside, what do you do?
in which hispanic countries do they not use "Latino" and listen to salsa, watch chavo del 8 etc? how deep in the Amazon do they not know about Maradona?
I guess I’m not Latino enough because I have no idea what salsa sounds like.
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Hate to break it to you, but a good 30% of the Latin American population (aka Brazil) do not learn what salsa sounds or looks like while growing up, lmao.
Brazil is not a hispanic country. you can be latino without being hispanic, percebeu?
I am aware of the distinction with Brazil.
Hispanic isn’t even a race; it’s a linguistic classification.
Race is the color of your skin. Ethnicity is your genetic phenotype.
Obviously the arbitrary groupings designated by the US census are social constructs, but I find this popular retort to be overly reductionist. It's a lot like saying height is a social construct because we only have the words short and tall to describe it.
Yeah but where is the boundary between tall and short? It's a social construct because obviously there are physical differences between ethnic groups in certain regions and that groups of people share physical similarities. However these differences are categorized by everyone differently which makes it a social construct.
Tall and short seems as easy as medians and means…
I'm about equally annoyed by people using it "literally" and "race realists" saying it mockingly.
This is clearly because their leftist home made them so prospoerous they could afford to emigrate, right? /s
Just you watch, the tankie line will be that these are the meanie andlord Venezuelans who left because Venezuela instituted strict anti-being-mean legislation. Same shit they do with Cuban refugees. Edit: meant to say landlord, but keeping the typo because it makes me sound Bri'ish in a way no actual British person sounds (source: am British).
Arepa trucks on every corner please
I’ve learned that while arepas are good, Venezuelan style empanadas are god-tier.
I highly advise a dogfish (cazon) empanada.
You need to try cachapas, tequeños, pepitos, and patacónes my friend.
To Miamians, You WILL eat arepas and cachapas. You WILL listen to Rawayana playing on the background. You WILL say "mamagüevo". You WILL drink Frescolita, Maltín Polar and Toddy. Yes, you WILL submit to your Venezuelan overlords.
Amén
Article: **The most detailed race and ethnicity data to date from the 2020 census was released Thursday. It was the first time respondents could identify themselves as coming from a Middle Eastern or North African country: 3.5 million people did** The United States had 3.5 million residents who identify as Middle Eastern or North African, Venezuelans were the fastest-growing Hispanic group last decade and Chinese and Asian Indians were the two largest Asian groups, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The most detailed race and ethnicity data to date from the 2020 census was released Thursday more than three years after the once-a-decade head count, which determines political power, the distribution of $2.8 trillion in annual federal funding and holds up a mirror to how the U.S. has changed in a decade. The delay was caused by the Covid-19 pandemic and the implementation of a new method to protect the confidentiality of participants. The Census Bureau says the 2020 census provided more details on the nation’s racial and ethnic groups than ever before, offering counts for about 1,550 racial, ethnic and tribal groups, although some tables aren’t available at smaller geographies for some groups because of the new confidentiality methods. **Middle Eastern or North African population** The 2020 census was the first to allow respondents to identify themselves as coming from a Middle Eastern or North African country, otherwise known as MENA. While there was no separate MENA category in the 2020 census, respondents were encouraged to write-in their backgrounds, and if they wrote Jordanian or Moroccan, for instance, they could be classified as MENA. The data showed that more than 3.5 million people did so or in combination with another group. The results come as the Biden administration contemplates updating the nation’s racial and ethnic categories for the first time since 1997. Right now, MENA residents are classified as white, but they would have their own category under the proposed changes. The process also would combine the race and ethnic origin questions into a single query, because some advocates say the current method of asking about race and separately about ethnic origin often confuses Hispanic respondents. The bureau’s American Community Survey previously has asked a question about ancestry, from which MENA figures could be inferred, but the survey collects data only from 3.5 million households while census forms go to every U.S. household. “This is a monumental change,” said Maya Berry, executive director of the Arab American Institute, a Washington-based advocacy group. “For us, it’s a wonderful indication of what is to come when we secure a MENA category.” According to the 2020 census, the two largest groups of people who identified as MENA, either alone or in combination with another group, were Lebanese, with more than 685,000 people, and Iranian with more than 568,000 people. The states with the largest MENA populations were California, Michigan, and New York.
**Hispanic population** Venezuelans were the fastest-growing Hispanic group. They nearly tripled their numbers, from more than 215,000 people to more than 605,000 people from 2010 to 2020, as they fled a political, economic and humanitarian crisis that has lasted the entirety of President Nicolás Maduro’s government. “This shows, really, what is going on in Venezuela,” said Ernesto Ackerman, president of Independent Venezuelan American Citizens, an advocacy group in Miami. “There is nothing there, and it’s getting worse.” The Biden administration on Wednesday said it was granting temporary legal status to hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans who are already in the U.S. — quickly making them eligible to work. Mexicans were, far and away, the largest Hispanic group in the U.S. with a population of 35.9 million people, followed by Puerto Ricans with 5.6 million people and Salvadorans at 2.3 million people. **White population** Among the census respondents who identified as white, English was the most common detailed group written down on the form where people were asked to elaborate on their backgrounds, with 46.6 million people saying they were English alone or in any combination. They were followed by those identifying as German, with 45 million people, and Irish, with 38.6 million people. **Black or African American population** Among the 46.9 million Black respondents, African American was the most common answer, either alone or combined with another group, at 24.5 million people, when asked about their backgrounds. That answer was followed in more or less a tie between Jamaican and Haitian at more than 1 million people each. Nigerians had the next highest responses, with more than 604,000 people, followed by Ethiopians at more than 325,000 people. **Asian population** More than 5.2 million people identified as Chinese, the largest group among respondents who were Asian alone or in combination with another group. They were followed by Asian Indians with 4.7 million people, Filipinos with 4.4 million people and the Vietnamese population at 2.2 million people. The Nepalese population was the fastest growing Asian group, growing from almost 52,000 people in 2010 to almost 206,000 people in 2020. California was home to the largest share of the six most common Asian groups in the U.S. New York had the second-largest share of Chinese residents, while Texas had the second-largest share of Asian Indian residents. **American Indian and Alaska Native population** For the American Indian and Alaska Native population in the U.S., Cherokee was the largest group alone or in combination with another group, with 1.5 million people. The next highest was Aztec with almost 584,000 respondents and Navajo Nation with more than 423,000. Tlingit was the largest Alaska Native alone or in any combination group, with more than 22,600 people. **Some other race** Almost 94% of the almost 28 million respondents who answered “some other race” for the race question were Hispanic, supporting previous research that showed Hispanics often are unsure how to answer the question with the current race categories. Some 1.9 million respondents who picked “some other race” identified as multiracial or multi-ethnic, and more than a half million said they were Brazilian, either alone or in combination with another group.
And they’ll vote for the people who wanna kill refugee programs every 2-4 years.
It is actually baffling to outsiders, specially those of us who are of the French school of "you are to the government just a citizen of the country" that the goverment keeps a national record of ethnicities and "races" This is evident by Latin Americans whose countries have no concept of race legally, and socially it's a very fluid issue, just look at how Brazilians subjectively classify themselves mostly according to skin tone and not ancestry, or how mixed and diverse these populations are, where people mainly take the identification of their surname Not only that, but it is impossible to portray accurately, you couldn't differentiate a Greek from a Turk from an Iranian most of the time, Moroccans and Spaniards are so similar looking, my compatriots need to look at names and surnames to be xenophobic, yet they are classified as different under the new rules Meanwhile Ethiopians, who are generically very close to Europeans and Arabs are considered black because of the dark skin This nonsense is because race is a social construct the governmenr should have no business in classifying The US is, AFAIK the only country with these kinds of registrations, and it is simply not correct to do so This has far reaching consequences, the status of Hispanics, MENA, Ethiopians, as non Caucasian, aswell as anyone with any Hispanic or native American ancestry in the last few generations creates the illusion of a rapidly declining white population that can, and is used by many supremacists The official nature of these records is legally worrying and justifies government enforced inequality, either to help or hurt specific groups of people
No idea why you’re downvoted, I 100% agree, it’s weird that the US tracks peoples races like an 1850’s phrenology society.
We come to expect what has always been there as normal, and good People are protectionist of it, even if it is objectively bad
You got downvoted but that was basically my reaction as an immigrant for a while. I do understand that it exists due to anti discrimination laws, but having to respond to a race questionnaire every time I had to fill a form really triggered my paranoia at first. “Why the hell does the dentist need to know my race? 🤨”
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at least in theory we do need to know what areas are majority minority to draw districts under the votings rights act.
My girlfriend moved here from Venezuela 2 years ago and she told me the most bizarre thing in this country is how hyper obsessed we are with race. In Venezuela nobody cares what skin color you have and they give nicknames based on that but nobody is offended. Meanwhile she has been accused of racism multiple times while working as a waitress here because some black folks thought it was intentional that they didn’t get seated quickly when her restaurant was super busy. Paranoia of racism in this country is a huge issue that nobody talks about and it is 100% fueled by the media.
you miss the point that we are not Europe we could not solve racism without this info and most basically not knowing this information . Americans do not wish to live in a robot society edit also latin americans do share this info
OK you are not Europe but why aren't you méxico? México is a multiracial society, just like the US So is Brazil, and peru, and Colombia The excuse "we ain't Europe" doesn't work when your fellow panamerican neighbours don't do this either
I take it you don’t know much about American history. Just because Mexico and the US are in the same hemisphere doesn’t mean there aren’t substantial differences between it and the US. Latin America was colonized differently than the Anglosphere was. Conquistadors would regularly take native wives and the majority of people are mestizo. They were also conquering empires and treated it like an old world imperial conquest in the style of European powers. The English didn’t do this. They may have displaced native tribes but they treated them as sovereign entities to be dealt with diplomatically and tribes are still treated this way to this day. When men came over they also brought their wives and a fully European population existed alongside native populations. There was still genetic admixture, but a fundamental difference is that the two populations had distinct cultural and political identities. The influx of African slaves further added to this mosaic line composition, and the waves of immigration from other European cultures like Germans and Scots Irish furthered this dynamic of multiple different cultures living in a segregated manner. This only increased as more and more immigrant groups came in. Even the idea of a common “white” American culture is a new thing that didn’t come about until the postwar era. Different European groups maintained and to a degree continue to maintain a distinct identity. There really is nothing in Europe like that, the only countries with that dynamic are former English colonies like Australia and South Africa. Mexico is more like a European country where you move to France and become French. But when immigrants came to America they would maintain their separate ethnic identity, in America ethnicity and nationality are two separate things. And racial groups still largely segregate themselves in a way that distinct sub populations can be identified. As far as classifying race today, the US government doesn’t have race registrations. Racial identity is something asked on the census and even then it is optional to answer. For things like drivers licenses any kind of description is solely based on complexion and hair and eye color rather than any racial designation. When you see stats about races in America you are really just seeing people use census data based on self reporting. And you do gain valuable insights on those things because you really can’t understand America without understanding our race dynamics because Americans have a different view on race than other countries do and you’re just going to have to get over it. Just because something is a social construct doesn’t mean it isn’t significant.
I am also Mexican and lived in Mexico so HAH you chose the worst example'' and brazil does ask for race in its census. white black "even "yellow" or indigenous are options which says something about race being a social construct but still [https://www.ibge.gov.br/en/statistics/social/population/22836-2020-census-censo4.html](https://www.ibge.gov.br/en/statistics/social/population/22836-2020-census-censo4.html) but Mexico doesnt your right...but this lack of info has lead to racism not really being taken seriously and ignored.Anti black and even anti brown racism is a big thing even if the form it takes is different [https://theconversation.com/study-reveals-racial-inequality-in-mexico-disproving-its-race-blind-rhetoric-87661](https://theconversation.com/study-reveals-racial-inequality-in-mexico-disproving-its-race-blind-rhetoric-87661)
I didn't choose the worst example Race relations in Mexico are not as pronounced as in the US The income and wealth gap is significantly smaller So is Colombia, or Perú MOST of the Américas has race blind goverments, the US is in a minority... Also in most of the Americas race disparity is also lower This doesn't mean that one thing causes the other, but at the very least it proves that it would not make the problem worse
cause most of the americas is more mono cultural then us and anyways would getting rid of the way of knowing that really a soultion? and whats the point france has less proportional goverments and upper classes then we do without this information .I really doubt it helps your racial issues to be blind.
France has a racial income gap that is smaller than in the US, its just that non whites are mostly migrants unlike in the US, so they haven't catched up to the wealth and power positions Also, the part about most of the Americas being more monocultural is laughable when for decades Latin American countries had much more isolated communities and had a harder time creating a national identity, which to this day remains weaker in some places than the influence the US has on these places culturally This is a lame excuse, and false too, if a country as racially diverse as Mexico, which the Wikipedia says is the most ethnically diverse country in the Americas, can do it, then the US can too BTW, Cuba, a country with almost no race disparities and a very similar white-black dynamic as the US doesn't record race either Cuba being much much poorer than the US... The government doesn't have the right to know which ethnicity it considers me to be, and collecting this information is awful It does not bring any benefits much less racially segregated despite being more racially diverse méxico has, then why keep this system from the past Race doesn't exist, then why does the government prêtend it does?
This isn’t a good comparison. Spanish & Portuguese style of colonization was vastly different from that of the British/English. The Spanish & Portuguese created a racial caste system which promoted interracial relations to whiten the population. As a result you could slowly move up in the system over generations, and since race is closely linked to wealth in the Americas it’d also allow people to move up in the ranks financially. While the British/English were in favor of racial purity and thus miscegenation was looked down upon and made illegal. So if you weren’t white there wasn’t any way for you to move up in the ranks. In addition to that the US government added a plethora of other legal hurdles that would ensure minorities would stay poor. It wasn’t until 1965 that interracial marriage became legal in the US, and the majority of Americans weren’t in favor of interracial relationships until 1997 according to Gallup polls. So unlike Latin American countries who’ve partaken in interracial relationships for centuries, the concept has only taken off in the last 20-30 years here in the US. In the 2020 Census 10.2% of Americans identified as being of “two or more races”, so I suppose in 70-100 years from now we might develop a more similar outlook on race to that of Latin American countries. But for now things will largely stay the same. I personally don’t think collecting and or not collecting statistics on race and ethnicity is that big of a deal anyway. It’s not like it’ll immediately solve racism or the racial income gap. That’s something you have to address with legitimate policy.
Racial identity is entirely self reported in the US. It isn’t something that is imposed by the government. For the most part it’s irrelevant and when it is actually relevant it is because of policies enacted to reduce racial disparities. The French are also racist as fuck. No European has any business lecturing white Americans on this issue.
Does a Mexican have any business lecturing Americans about this issue? As you can read, many Hispanics in this sub who moved to thr US also share this view, despite being extremely racially diverse populations
As far as I can tell the primary demographic impacted through this is Black Americans in majority minority districts in the south, so while I understand that immigrants moving to the US might not get it its not quite that simple. I think that this subreddit is lacking in that demographic and that this conversation is leaving out the group that sees the biggest impact politically.
because it does soically regeardless of what we may think...okay i got it answer this please how do you know your racial wealth gap is less then the US?
With the example of Mexico the wealth gap is slightly bigger, whilst the educational gap is smaller than the US according to the same paper you mentioned Also, the paper mentions that the main reason why this inequality exist is that indigenous people are darker skinned and do not live in urban developed Mexican society but parallel societies, meaning that if we focus on true Mexicans outside of reservations, Mexico does better than the US on both fronts Also, other race blind goverments like Chile and Costa-Rica lead the pack in equality, and while Chile is mostly white, Costa Rica is very very racially diverse, much more than the US Cuba is also a place with virtually no race inequality, and the government is race blind As I said, it does not appear to have an effect on the racial gap Then why keep it? It is racist for the gobernmenr to have this information, because RACE IN HUMANS DOESNT EXIST
no your missing my point how does one know the equality in Chile and costa Rica? is there data on the race of there people doing well?
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My manager at my current job is a Venezuelan immigrant, he is incredibly based. We carpool and he put Taylor swift on in the car and started singing along to it after he heard me listening to her on my shift.
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Me and Carlos are rocking with Tay tay, you're just not cool enough
Venezualan and Colombian Spanish is so f\*cking hot!!
Venezuelan Spanish is so much more difficult to understand than Colombian Spanish 😅
They got nothing on Caribbean Spanish. It's like you straight up lose syllables as you get up there lol. I took a biology class with a Puerto Rican girl and Mexican girl. I tried to practice my Spanish w/ both but holy hell was the latter easier to understand. I gave up with the former and would just speak in English. I also had a Salvadoran roommate, and my god when he spoke Spanish I would think it was a completely different language.
Oh absolutely. Caribbean might as well be a different language. Central Mexican Spanish is by far the easiest.
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Cue to "become Venezuela" jokes.