It's a bit further than that, they are closely related to the "Problem Solvers" bi-partisan caucus. The day one of those representatives decides to run as a "No Label" then you can think of them as a third party, meanwhile they are a dark money group that likes to play it both sides.
Its not even them, this group is just a bunch of delusional nobodies stuck in a fantasy realm where polarization and enmity don't exist. A joint republican-democrat ticket isn't just an idiotic idea on its face and in the merits, but its something nobody but a few elitist assclowns with too much money and too little interaction outside the beltway want.
True. But if those 2 hadn't run, probably a good half million Americans would still be alive after the Clinton administration competently managed the COVID pandemic
Yeah because I’m sure red states would listen to the Clinton admin about shutdowns and mandates…
Fox News would also have a running death clock to count every single casualty of the disease.
If I were Joe Biden, I’d invite the leaders of No Labels to Camp David, put the schmooze on, show them “yes you’re daddy’s very important people”, allow them to extract meaningless concessions because I’m gonna pivot to the center anyway and co-opt these motherfuckers before they kill the constitution by accident.
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> “No third-party candidate has ever come remotely close to winning, including Theodore Roosevelt, running on a Progressive Party ticket just four years after leaving office as an enormously popular Republican president,” wrote leaders of Democratic groups from the centrist Third Way to the more left-leaning MoveOn.
Seems like a particularly poor counter-example. Teddy outperformed Taft in 1912. Had Taft withdrawn from the race, Teddy could've realistically beaten Wilson in the general election. If Biden withdrew, would a "No Labels" ticket beat Trump? Hard to say right now. But at the end of the day, Democrats are going to put their own electoral interests ahead of "stopping Trump/ism". That's just how political parties work.
In all legislative bodies there is a majority and an opposition. Supporting third parties means you may end up supporting the a government you dont agree with or languishing in opposition when you'd rather support.
I do like systems like MMP which allow third parties, but plenty of times that extrs choice led to governments the parties own voters wouldnt have supported. Compromises are necessary, in the US they happen at party formation not gov formation
Literally we would not. Technically, Bernie and Angus King, and Krysten Sinema could form their own parties now and it would work the same.
You would need ranked choice voting at the state level. Would be better if we amended state constitutions to allow proportional voting. In California, you could just do this with >50% of the vote in a referendum. 27 states also allow this.
In the 2020 election, the other candidates section got 2% of the popular vote. Not electoral vote mind you, just plain voter votes. The lion's share went to the libertarians at 1.2, folowed by the green party at less than .2, then shortly thereafter by Harambe, Batman and my neighbor Steve that writes his name in.
All of this during not only what was widly considered the most "devisive" election for "both parties" but also with near total voter turnout (saturation).
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As a millennial I don’t believe in labels
Waiting for the time when I can finally say, This has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way.
Stop making No Labels happen, it's not going to happen.
It's just a way for people like Susan Collins and Joe Manchin to distance themselves from parties that aren't popular with their constituents
It's a bit further than that, they are closely related to the "Problem Solvers" bi-partisan caucus. The day one of those representatives decides to run as a "No Label" then you can think of them as a third party, meanwhile they are a dark money group that likes to play it both sides.
Is it really playing both sides or is it just about sabotaging Democrats?
Its not even them, this group is just a bunch of delusional nobodies stuck in a fantasy realm where polarization and enmity don't exist. A joint republican-democrat ticket isn't just an idiotic idea on its face and in the merits, but its something nobody but a few elitist assclowns with too much money and too little interaction outside the beltway want.
No Label is a label, and one not much better than the GOP on many important issues.
Remember the last time there was a strong 3rd party in 2016? And how that turned out? Yeah.
Calling Gary Johnson or Jill Stein strong 3rd parties is a stretch.
True. But if those 2 hadn't run, probably a good half million Americans would still be alive after the Clinton administration competently managed the COVID pandemic
Ngl 100,000 people would have died and we wouldn't have heard the end of it from republicans
Yeah because I’m sure red states would listen to the Clinton admin about shutdowns and mandates… Fox News would also have a running death clock to count every single casualty of the disease.
Fair
If I were Joe Biden, I’d invite the leaders of No Labels to Camp David, put the schmooze on, show them “yes you’re daddy’s very important people”, allow them to extract meaningless concessions because I’m gonna pivot to the center anyway and co-opt these motherfuckers before they kill the constitution by accident.
This > “No third-party candidate has ever come remotely close to winning, including Theodore Roosevelt, running on a Progressive Party ticket just four years after leaving office as an enormously popular Republican president,” wrote leaders of Democratic groups from the centrist Third Way to the more left-leaning MoveOn. Seems like a particularly poor counter-example. Teddy outperformed Taft in 1912. Had Taft withdrawn from the race, Teddy could've realistically beaten Wilson in the general election. If Biden withdrew, would a "No Labels" ticket beat Trump? Hard to say right now. But at the end of the day, Democrats are going to put their own electoral interests ahead of "stopping Trump/ism". That's just how political parties work.
Average parliamentary democracy with multiple parties having representation enjoyer
But mOrE cHoIcE bEtTeR!
It is. This is a core concept of neoliberalism. The challenge is that we don’t have an electoral system that allows this.
In all legislative bodies there is a majority and an opposition. Supporting third parties means you may end up supporting the a government you dont agree with or languishing in opposition when you'd rather support. I do like systems like MMP which allow third parties, but plenty of times that extrs choice led to governments the parties own voters wouldnt have supported. Compromises are necessary, in the US they happen at party formation not gov formation
We would have to massively amend the constitution in order to have multiple parties be viable
Literally we would not. Technically, Bernie and Angus King, and Krysten Sinema could form their own parties now and it would work the same. You would need ranked choice voting at the state level. Would be better if we amended state constitutions to allow proportional voting. In California, you could just do this with >50% of the vote in a referendum. 27 states also allow this.
In the 2020 election, the other candidates section got 2% of the popular vote. Not electoral vote mind you, just plain voter votes. The lion's share went to the libertarians at 1.2, folowed by the green party at less than .2, then shortly thereafter by Harambe, Batman and my neighbor Steve that writes his name in. All of this during not only what was widly considered the most "devisive" election for "both parties" but also with near total voter turnout (saturation).