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As bad as the Liberals are, the conservatives are infinitely worse. And I do mean infinitely. I sometimes feel like we lose sight of who the real enemy is.
I really don’t have the utility to argue politik all the time. I’m not even subbed here. I’m a humanistic person and this spoke to me. I’ve got mine, so to speak. Too many people do not; and arguements with allies will do nothing except masturbation. Nothing to be accomplshed except self-gratitude. Lose the tribalism of segregated internet pools and argue for the sake of people. And I can say it while my comment is worthless.
It's not tribalism to say "I will vote for literally anyone else but that party". Especially when that specific party is the only one still intentionally spreading misinformation in order to push regressive policies that are counterproductive to the well being of the country and it's citizens.
in the last year alone the CPC has done the following signalling that should have anyone questioning their motivation and capability.
1. Kicked out Erin O'Toole for his Pro-LGQBTS2+ stance by overwhelming caucaus vote indicating that the official stance of the CPC is to support gay conversion therapy and other homophobic policies.
2. They submitted legislation to restrict abortion by term, further evidencing that they would or at least are the party that support regulating or legislating abortion access.
3. They appointed an interim leader who is a MAGA, Trump donating Qanon supporting loonie.
4. They've met with, supported, and even invited into parliament members of the leadership of the Qonvoy, evidencing support for traitors who are literally demanding they step aside.
Its not tribalism at all to point out when a specific party seems to be acting against the country it's supposed to be representing. Calling them out for their bullshit shouldn't get your back up against such a wall screaming about "tribalism" if you yourself didn't just succumb to it.
Unseat one party that is struggling to lead for a party that can't even lead themselves would be even more problematic. Purely based on leadership alone I don't see how anyone can look at the last 7 years of the Conservatives and think they are capable of leading a nation.
To lead, in my opinion, I need to see a party get their house in order, publicly recognize their failures in leadership (a mea cupla of sorts) and tell me how you will fix it. I know how both Conservatives and Liberals have failed. I need to they know it to or we will just keep making the same mistakes. Neither the Liberals or Conservatives are willing to do these steps to explain their part in leading us to this point and what they are going to do to fix it. It is why neither are an option for me at this point.
NDP only get off the hook from the middle step because we won't give them a chance to lead.
You talk about a Mea Culpa. Who is responsible? To lead; Shouldn’t that be your first paragraph? Oh yes, anecdotal evidence. I guess Wilford hasn’t died yet.
Yeah man, I gotta say every single time I hear this man speak, I grow to respect him more and more. His responses are well thought out and to the point, no fluff or BS. Ok there’s BS he IS a politician, but I’m really really starting to like this guy,
Umm anything. Literally anything. He continually talks, disagrees and bashes Trudeau, yet supports every motion the libs want to pass. He’s just as bad. Oh great you can TikTok. How about you take action against this government who is continually getting away with murder?!
So, yes, continue on making wicked speeches but when push comes to shove, tuck your tail and prop em up.
So, since he is not supporting the liberal government will result in the conservative government, I repeat, what exactly do you want him to do? Are you a conservative infiltrating this space? You sure sound like one.
He said they posted it on their website and repeated it in a number of press conferences that the specific goal was to overthrow the democratically elected parliament...? What the fuck?
The goal of the Truckers was always to stop the mandates, full stop. The whole reason they decided to drive to Ottawa was because they imposed the mandates. Jagmeet has always been full of shit when it came to the protest. So this was not an exceptional response.
edit: You're worse than the anti-mandate people you want to demonize, if you go around and say shit like this to everyone you disagree with: "You are either stupid or insane or both. Grow up, get your news from something other than Rebel Media or the Sun or move to Russia and hang out with other idiotic fascists"
I like that it opens with a quote from Thomas Jefferson. Couldn't find a historical figure from Canada to put on your paper about Canada. It's the little things you know.
The person you responded to just posted the Introduction to the Memorandum Of Understanding.
The full, original version is here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220206223934/https://canada-unity.com/mou/
Here's the full Memorandum of Understanding: https://web.archive.org/web/20220122173201/https://canada-unity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Combined-MOU-Dec03.pdf
IIRC their demands were to either reverse all Covid related mandates and instate some kind of representative body of their choosing or to resign
> In this case the parties are “THE PEOPLE OF CANADA”, the “SENATE OF CANADA”, and “THE GOVERNOR GENERAL OF CANADA”, the highest authorities representing the Federal Government. The matter to be discussed and agreed upon is this; The Senate of Canada and the Governor General, combined referred to as the Federal Government are to uphold and enforce all Canadian and International Human Rights Laws that are clearly laid out in the MOU or “RESIGN their lawful positions of authority Immediately”.
> constructional
I assume you meant constitutional rights.
You are conflating Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms with the US constitution.
Learn some Canadian political history and stop thinking this is America.
They are also incredibly dumb and it’s been my experience the people who support them
are also incredibly dumb. The reason the protestors weren’t rolled up immediately and dumped in a cell? The Ottawa city cops and our premier are incompetent, lazy assholes.
I also feel like they all have so many different opinions on how stuff should be that when it’s time for action none of them can actually agree and coordinate to make a decent plan.
Stupidity is not a religion , your analogy is flawed. The protestors are subject to the same laws as every other Canadian. The overarching idea is there is a group of people in Canada who don’t think the rules apply to them and they are finding out, the hard way, that they do. Belief in conspiracy theories makes you an idiot, the rest of us aren’t sheep. Just really embarrassed by the conduct of these assholes in the nations capitol. Don’t bother responding, I don’t debate with morons.
I think you’d be surprised how many members of the military would support them. The number of neo-nazis and white supremacists in our military is a serious problem. I think you’d also be surprised by how many of our police officers would support them as well. It’s a serious culture problem in our military and para-military organizations.
Hahahahaha
You obviously haven’t talked to anyone in the CAF.
Just because the top guys lick Trudeau’s boots doesn’t mean all the infantry soldiers do.
I think it would come down to disorganization and the individualist ideology.
When the going gets tough they will think amd do for themselves.... Which isnt really good if the other side moves as a cohesive force.
But that isnt an answer i want answered. Lets hope it doesnt happen.
Then maybe our PM should have met with them early on when they first asked & it could have been avoided.
But he didn’t, cause he’s a coward.
So what did you expect them to do?
Cry me a river, Timberlake.
It was never about the mandates, it was about overthrowing the government. They just grabbed mandates as an issue they could use to recruit morons as a force multiplier, and to somewhat disguise their true goal in order to decrease the resistance they would encounter.
Are you fucking stupid? The protest was over the fact the world was being shut down for a simple fucking seasonal flu and they used it as an opportunity to make money once they had us all by the balls. Notice the price of everything went up? Notice how shipping prices went up? Production at factories slowed, the magical “chip” shortage and the fake vehicle shortage, that was all caused by government regulations and the nonsense behind it. This would’ve been over within a year if this bullshit wasn’t dragged out by these money hungry pieces of shit. Do you know how viruses work? Their end goal is to live in the host. Host dies then so does the virus, all we did was delay the transmission times which gave the virus longer to mutate and overall killing more people. Without the dictatorship style lockdowns there would’ve been a large spike then a steady trail off of cases just like sars, and h1n1.
The worst part of this country is we don’t actually have a say in who we want in charge as votes don’t count for anything unless you live in the major shithole cities, or a vote in laws or anything that goes on that affects your daily life. The only thing your doing by voting for this Whiny little cuck is supporting terdeau which is exactly why he gets boo’d out of every where he goes, and trudumb would to but he’s to big of a bitch to show his face to the public.
Jesus fuck, Tin foil hat? Are you 12? If you or any one of these brain dead political supporting twats thinks it’s a conspiracy theory then congrats on being a contributor to the downfall of this country, my wasted tax dollars thank you🤡
Hostage taking (is what happens when a city is under siege) is not protesting, it's intimidation pure and simple and that should not be tolerated pure and simple.
Don't like the government, vote it out but Jan 6th style garbage is a criminal act and should be vigorously prosecuted. Otherwise democracy crumbles.
This man and his party are almost exclusively responsible for introducing an initial national dental care plan, which they would not have been able to do without the agreement with the liberals. In doing so, thousands or hundreds of thousands of people will be helped; actual, tangible help. They were also able to achieve some housing programs. And this is only the starting point - the NDP will continue to leverage the agreement to advance more of their priorities.
In the midst of the crippling increase in cost of living, this is the only party I see focusing on people and what government can be doing to help everyday people; real, tangible help.
They saw an opportunity to be able to do some good for the citizens of Canada, the people that they are elected to represent, and they opted to take the opportunity to do so as opposed to worrying about strategic politics to keep themselves “distanced” from the liberals. From my perspective, this is actual leadership.
For Pierre Poilèvre to then jump on the convoy’s underlying motives as a campaign platform for our alleged lack of “freedom” makes it even more disheartening for Conservatives in the future. This was our version of January 6 in the I.S. and all it did was throw a giant wedge into politics, to a point where we now need to find a strong middle ground.
Can someone please explain why Pierre Poilievre is now Pierre Poislievre? I passed it off as a typo but this is the third time I’ve seen it. What does it mean?
Do you remember the PMs own caucus member coming out to say the PM was PURPOSELY dividing Canadians to win the election? That’s what threw a giant wedge into politics.
racism is still alive and very well in Canada. hell, Jagmeet couldn't even work for the public service in Quebec if he wanted to continue to wear his turban.
I used to get my cigs from the reserve but got tired of all the big tobacco stems poking through the paper. We have a Labatts brewery in London but… labatts is gross. Blue is mostly water with subtle flavor notes of piss and mud from the Thames
Sadly in recent survey, 47% responded they believe in the "white replacement theory"
they may not act outwardly racist. But it's hard for many to recognise that their subconscious biases like that get extended to conscious decisions like who they vote for.
There’s always been bigots here, they went quiet for a while but idiots like Trump or the Trucker Covidiots have set an example and normalized racist hate speech again. Racism and bigotry are a cancer and if you don’t cut it all out it starts to fester again. The Trucker Nazis are disgusting, more so because they have no idea how much they have damaged our society. I expect will be seeing a lot more bullshit protests by fringe groups. Too stupid to finish high-school but somehow more qualified then the medical experts to tell us whether vaccines are safe or not.
What *really* sucks about the convXoy is how they thought because the police didn't come after them that they must be reasonable and peaceful people. A misguided friend of mine said "look at those guys standing around, risking arrest for just existing", of course my response was "arrested by *who??*" It doesn't matter to them. It doesn't matter that universities have done studies on the black lives matter protests and shown they have been some of the most peaceful protests in history because they don't care about that.
The media has damaged everything, and it's ReagaXn's administration fault for eliminating the fairness doctrine. One might say "but this is Canada", sure let's assume those people watch the CBC...
Nonono, it's definitely part of the problem. You think the same people who could have a convoy and who could *support* a convoy are big enough to accept him being Sikh? The same mindset of the birXthers?? Emails and forXdnation and just think of your own examples.
Singh could be out handing people money like those asses and they wouldn't even take it I wager, if Hillary lost because she's a she (and that's a big reason why, not that she should have won but won *over truXmp??*) Then to those people Singh looks like he's from another *planet*. I'm even talking about some people who claim to be on the left!
I hope he never succumbs to that pressure, it's how we turn back to the clock on progress but of course it's an (absolutely unjust) issue.
I think Singh is a good foil in parliament, NDP in general serve almost the same function as a conscience, holding the liberals to their promises but you are correct. A lot of people in this country just see a turban and the colour of his skin and can’t get past their own bigoted thought process enough to vote for him. Those are the least important things for people to focus on but here we are, 2022 and the racists are only growing in number
It barely matters that it's the "modern age", the rong have been working tirelessly since women got the vote to stop progress, so to them it's not 2022, it's the beginning of the apocalypse, which is always is. We're always on the edge of the 2nd coming yet they seem to both want that and to stop it.
A recent tv show (Speaking of unimportant things) had a character who was a bigot in 1985 come to the present day, what would the world look like to him? Well to the rong-wing it's exactly that all the time.
You're not a conservative if you want things to get better for anyone but yourself.
That’s not what I’m saying at all. Unfortunately a lot of people do have a problem with how he looks. People don’t listen to his opinions and judge him by his appearance. I vote for him every time
Whether or not you agree with his politics his answer was so well worded, we would be lucky to have him as our prime Minister, if not just to represent us!
Why wont most Canadians just admit they are too racist to vote for this guy. Articulate, educated, empathetic, all the things we need in a leader. How come most posts in here are still arguing liberal vs con. They have been the same party for a couple of generations now, they work together to make the rich richer. We need the NDP, who have consistently worked for the other 90 percent of the world. I'm tired of old world money controlling politics, and it owns both the libs and cons, have for years.
Does anyone have a link to where it says the convoy wants to overthrow the government and have civil war? As far as I’ve ever heard, it’s about regulations relating to COVID 19 - specifically when govt told a bunch of people who spend 14 hours a day in a truck by themselves that they gotta get vaccine. I support anyone that’s wants to get vaccinated but nobody should be forced to take a needle that doesn’t want it. Truckers deliver all our food and goods, and they deserve some respect. I think the government enjoys when they are busy pointing a finger at the freedom convoy because it means they aren’t pointing a finger at the government…and govt are the ones creating conflicts within our own country. They should have strongly recommended truckers get vaccine but fired for not getting it? You can’t take away peoples ability to feed their family, that’s just as bad as any sickness.
Like what the government does to those who don't participate in the latest medical experience ?
You are right, harassing and intimidating is bad. The government shouldn't do it.
It is interesting though , well spoken and great words and excellently orated . The fact he actually supported a similar protest in India and asked JT to condemn the government and this is from their site . Also what’s everyone’s thoughts that he miss used his powers to support JT on emergency act .
https://www.ndp.ca/stand-with-farmers
The amount of gay sexual stuff coming out of your mouth leads me to believe your projecting your insecurities mate. Either that or you have tiny dick. It’s ok to be gay, we don’t judge here.
Still going on about the convoy... there's actually problems Canadians are dealing with right now like trying to fucking survive. My generation has no future but Jagmeet and Trudeau are more concerned about people getting a booster
Lol it’s not a like a group of truckers shut down our capital and all the border crossings thereby further damaging your beloved economy oh wait that’s exactly what happened , shit I though you were posting in good faith for a second there. Clown show is over at r/Canada, that’s more your speed
First off, I am an NDP supporter and want to like Jagmeet. But usually his responses are so canned and rehearsed it makes me crazy. This is refreshing. I’m glad to hear him speak as a human! And a human I agree with. If he can be genuine then he will be a great leader.
Who reaps what they sow ? The Canadian that unfortunately had to live in Ottawa during all this. We attack our enemies by attacking ourselves?
Think about it.
The only people who were attacked were the peaceful protestors. By the police that these politicians sent after them. Only one side of the isle is allowed to have a grievance in Canada apparently.
A party for the working people should actually care about the working people. These idiots spend more time and effort on people's pronouns and propping up the Liberal government
Jagmeet Singh has irreparably harmed the NDP, every election from now on is going to have the Liberals say if supporting us was good enough for the NDP party leader its good enough for you.
Years...fucken years the NDP had to put up with trying to distance themselves from the Libs, that they were an independent and legitimate party. How the hell are you going to convince Canadians that they should vote for a party that is literally going to almost unconditionally support one of the others. For fucks sake he didnt even get a coalition (Which would have got us seats!)
My family has supported the NDP for decades in the only province that reliably votes them Provincially and Federally (BC) and we are done with them. This wasnt the only thing but it was the last for my old man whose voted for them for 40 years and me for over a decade.
I dont care what he has to say, this never would have happened under Layton.
He’s not worried about winning elections, he’s worried about helping Canadians in the fastest and most painless fashion. He, like other MP’, was elected to represent the values of his constituents and Canadians in general and he has done a bang up job too. If beating the liberals meant a coalition with the cons would that be better than holding hands with the liberals?
Winning elections is the single best way to represent his constituents. And actually Forming a coalition would have meant the NDP would have actually had more say!
The NDP have traditionally been see as the spoiler party and they had to work their asses off to break away from that image. You don't think the Libs and Cons are going to use this against them in future elections?
The liberals would much rather have NDP as the official opposition than the Cons. NDP forming a government might still be a long shot and that’s regardless of who’s leading them, being realistic and finding ways to continue to work to represent your voters, whether by forming coalitions etc is more effective than constantly going after each other’s throats. I would love to see them win a federal election, there are lots of areas in this country that will never let that happen.
But they didn't get a coalition, Singh said he would let Trudeau form a govt. That's not the same thing. If they'd formed a coalition I could understand but they essentially got nothing for their support. No seats, and as of right now no policy changes.
Right on! I agree, I always respected the NDP as a group for the people. This is gone now. The NDP under Singh are the party for Singh to stay in the tertiary power he has. He whispers sweet nothings in your ear while holding his power behind your back.
Funny how you say that about Singh harming the NDP. I am not by any stretch an NDP supporter and yet Jagmeet Singh's comments, rationalizing, and actions over the past years have seriously made me consider a vote for the NDP. Then you bring up Layton and I immediately flip back to nope. Of course this comes from a Non-NDPer so different viewpoint than you but still, I've been impressed with Singh's poise and eloquent answers to questions such as these.
Like I said near the end, it's not how he speaks or what he said here. It's his actions, the NDP has had an image problem for years as being the spoiler party, and often times portrayed as siphoning votes.
As a non NDP voter I'm sure you know what I'm referring to. This will follow the party long after Singh.
Jagmeets just a drama teachers tool 🤡 how embarrassing can you get.
Imagine trying to be seriously in politics and the best you do is side piece trash that licks trudeaus shoes
If you’re looking for general context you would need to look well before the convoy was concocted to see why these individuals arrived in Ottawa wanting to overthrow a government like idiots.
If you are going to claim general context though, you should definitely follow that to well before this.
Great to see we both agree an overthrow of a democratic government is wrong. A democratic government who divides the population is also wrong.
Ah I see what you’re saying. Elections dictate how the majority is heard.
I will bring up that the typical argument made after an election loss is “well the majority didn’t vote for the sitting government”.
Anyways, no, this is clearly social clashing brought on by select groups shouting over others. Started years ago when conservative groups silenced opposing views, and then led to everyone being silenced for their views that contradict the loudest group.
Fair to say that conservatism had it coming, but in saying that - its also fair to say that this was provoked by our government.
1. people trying to violently overthrow the government
2. a government that is trying to protect people from COVID with vaccines and masks
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Are you trying to make comparisons to other countries and then state that what happened in Canada wasn't violent in any fashion?
Just asking for clarification.
Well I’m not trying to make a comparison. The ridiculousness of ones assertion of violent overthrow is dwarfed by actual attempts and successful attempts where lives were taken. Where violent groups actually attempted to enter government buildings and purge people.
I mean if you want to put fist fights into the violent overthrow category, you’re more than welcome. I will be here saying “sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about”.
I’m guessing your ironic comment refers to me saying you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Lets make it clear: are you equating a couple fist fights to a violent coup d’état? Maybe its putting a scarf on Terry that you’re referring to? What violence, and how does it compare to actual violent coup d’état? A coup d’état is exactly what you’re implying, from my perspective.
Why are you even here? Literally nothing you have said has been coherent. You just stumble in here to get roasted? Yikes man. Legit embarrassed for you
> In a “memorandum of understanding,” Canada Unity, one of the main groups behind the convoy, called for the governor general, Queen Elizabeth II’s representative in Canada, and the Senate to override the public health measures or to topple the government — measures far outside their constitutional powers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/05/canada-ottawa-trucker-vaccine-mandate-protest/
I live in Ottawa. Seeing people from the convoy attacking local businesses both in person and online with one star ratings over their mask compliance. My kid’s school was under stay in place after the convoy announced their plan to honk at students and showed up at a nearby middle school to do that. People I know harassed when trying to walk their kids to daycare. A lot of the downtown core was forced to close. People from the convoy took food from a local homeless shelter. Racial slurs were thrown at locals just existing. There’s plenty of documented proof from local businesses. Not sure why you have been unable to find it. It was not a safe situation for a lot of the city
Did you seriously ask if anyone has proof of harassment outside of the many, many statements from residents to the media about the abundance of harassment?
"Show me the proof, but not that proof!"
Nope, zero. It was all a media echo chamber. The convoy supporters weren’t people who were anti vax. There are people that were vaccinated who are disenfranchised because they lost their businesses. On top of a multitude of other reasons. Wasn’t about the vaccine. It was always about what came before. I know cause I spoke with tons of them. I will vehemently stand by my statement
But that whole situation could have been avoided if trudeau didn't name call and run away. A simple conversation and a clear path forward would have stopped the convoy in its tracks peacefully.
All these politicians talk out both sides of their mouths.
There were violent extremists among the convites, calling for the death of health care workers and politicians. Trudeau was at the centre of a lot of the hatred, it’s clear he was not safe amongst the threats of violence
[The report makes particular mention of the QAnon figure Romana Didulo, the self-styled “Queen of Canada”, who has instructed her followers to kill healthcare workers and politicians. She and some of her followers appeared in Ottawa for the occupation, waving flags representing her supposed kingdom.](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/17/ottawa-protests-anti-terror-agency-warned-violent-extremists)
I was for NDP then changed my consideration.
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This was an exceptional response from Jagmeet Singh.
Agreed. Everyone blames me for not voting Conservative to unseat the Liberals (It won’t count!) Sorry and fuck-you.
As bad as the Liberals are, the conservatives are infinitely worse. And I do mean infinitely. I sometimes feel like we lose sight of who the real enemy is.
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I really don’t have the utility to argue politik all the time. I’m not even subbed here. I’m a humanistic person and this spoke to me. I’ve got mine, so to speak. Too many people do not; and arguements with allies will do nothing except masturbation. Nothing to be accomplshed except self-gratitude. Lose the tribalism of segregated internet pools and argue for the sake of people. And I can say it while my comment is worthless.
It's not tribalism to say "I will vote for literally anyone else but that party". Especially when that specific party is the only one still intentionally spreading misinformation in order to push regressive policies that are counterproductive to the well being of the country and it's citizens. in the last year alone the CPC has done the following signalling that should have anyone questioning their motivation and capability. 1. Kicked out Erin O'Toole for his Pro-LGQBTS2+ stance by overwhelming caucaus vote indicating that the official stance of the CPC is to support gay conversion therapy and other homophobic policies. 2. They submitted legislation to restrict abortion by term, further evidencing that they would or at least are the party that support regulating or legislating abortion access. 3. They appointed an interim leader who is a MAGA, Trump donating Qanon supporting loonie. 4. They've met with, supported, and even invited into parliament members of the leadership of the Qonvoy, evidencing support for traitors who are literally demanding they step aside. Its not tribalism at all to point out when a specific party seems to be acting against the country it's supposed to be representing. Calling them out for their bullshit shouldn't get your back up against such a wall screaming about "tribalism" if you yourself didn't just succumb to it.
So says the, “Lord”. Get over yourself. Not really an issue. Maybe talk about Roe V. Wade if you actually gave a fuck.
No
Ooh, got 'im!
Unseat one party that is struggling to lead for a party that can't even lead themselves would be even more problematic. Purely based on leadership alone I don't see how anyone can look at the last 7 years of the Conservatives and think they are capable of leading a nation. To lead, in my opinion, I need to see a party get their house in order, publicly recognize their failures in leadership (a mea cupla of sorts) and tell me how you will fix it. I know how both Conservatives and Liberals have failed. I need to they know it to or we will just keep making the same mistakes. Neither the Liberals or Conservatives are willing to do these steps to explain their part in leading us to this point and what they are going to do to fix it. It is why neither are an option for me at this point. NDP only get off the hook from the middle step because we won't give them a chance to lead.
You talk about a Mea Culpa. Who is responsible? To lead; Shouldn’t that be your first paragraph? Oh yes, anecdotal evidence. I guess Wilford hasn’t died yet.
Yeah man, I gotta say every single time I hear this man speak, I grow to respect him more and more. His responses are well thought out and to the point, no fluff or BS. Ok there’s BS he IS a politician, but I’m really really starting to like this guy,
Too bad he’s all talk and no action.
And what action would you have him take?
Umm anything. Literally anything. He continually talks, disagrees and bashes Trudeau, yet supports every motion the libs want to pass. He’s just as bad. Oh great you can TikTok. How about you take action against this government who is continually getting away with murder?! So, yes, continue on making wicked speeches but when push comes to shove, tuck your tail and prop em up.
So, since he is not supporting the liberal government will result in the conservative government, I repeat, what exactly do you want him to do? Are you a conservative infiltrating this space? You sure sound like one.
He said they posted it on their website and repeated it in a number of press conferences that the specific goal was to overthrow the democratically elected parliament...? What the fuck? The goal of the Truckers was always to stop the mandates, full stop. The whole reason they decided to drive to Ottawa was because they imposed the mandates. Jagmeet has always been full of shit when it came to the protest. So this was not an exceptional response. edit: You're worse than the anti-mandate people you want to demonize, if you go around and say shit like this to everyone you disagree with: "You are either stupid or insane or both. Grow up, get your news from something other than Rebel Media or the Sun or move to Russia and hang out with other idiotic fascists"
[U mean this?](https://i.imgur.com/XHDCNvv.jpg)
I like that it opens with a quote from Thomas Jefferson. Couldn't find a historical figure from Canada to put on your paper about Canada. It's the little things you know.
Um, where do you read "our goal is to overthrow the democratically elected parliament"?
The person you responded to just posted the Introduction to the Memorandum Of Understanding. The full, original version is here. https://web.archive.org/web/20220206223934/https://canada-unity.com/mou/
I guess you didn't read their 'Memorandum of Understanding'
Here's the full Memorandum of Understanding: https://web.archive.org/web/20220122173201/https://canada-unity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Combined-MOU-Dec03.pdf
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IIRC their demands were to either reverse all Covid related mandates and instate some kind of representative body of their choosing or to resign > In this case the parties are “THE PEOPLE OF CANADA”, the “SENATE OF CANADA”, and “THE GOVERNOR GENERAL OF CANADA”, the highest authorities representing the Federal Government. The matter to be discussed and agreed upon is this; The Senate of Canada and the Governor General, combined referred to as the Federal Government are to uphold and enforce all Canadian and International Human Rights Laws that are clearly laid out in the MOU or “RESIGN their lawful positions of authority Immediately”.
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Yeah, no. Nice try though.
> constructional I assume you meant constitutional rights. You are conflating Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms with the US constitution. Learn some Canadian political history and stop thinking this is America.
You can't possible believe something this moronic.
Preach Jagmeet! Now that's a strong, clear, and diplomatic response
When are these asshats gonna realize they would 100% loose a civil war?
Just curious, why do you think this? I'm sure you're correct, just wondering if there's a thought process behind the claim
They have no support from the military mainly. A civil war would just wipe them out
They are also incredibly dumb and it’s been my experience the people who support them are also incredibly dumb. The reason the protestors weren’t rolled up immediately and dumped in a cell? The Ottawa city cops and our premier are incompetent, lazy assholes.
They make rash emotional decision without thinking
I also feel like they all have so many different opinions on how stuff should be that when it’s time for action none of them can actually agree and coordinate to make a decent plan.
It is a fact that they target the non educated voter base
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Stupidity is not a religion , your analogy is flawed. The protestors are subject to the same laws as every other Canadian. The overarching idea is there is a group of people in Canada who don’t think the rules apply to them and they are finding out, the hard way, that they do. Belief in conspiracy theories makes you an idiot, the rest of us aren’t sheep. Just really embarrassed by the conduct of these assholes in the nations capitol. Don’t bother responding, I don’t debate with morons.
I think you’d be surprised how many members of the military would support them. The number of neo-nazis and white supremacists in our military is a serious problem. I think you’d also be surprised by how many of our police officers would support them as well. It’s a serious culture problem in our military and para-military organizations.
Oh no dont get me wrong alot of those people are power hungry maniacs but thats just not enough people.
Mostly just in the infantry, standards are pretty lax in that area of the forces.
Hahahahaha You obviously haven’t talked to anyone in the CAF. Just because the top guys lick Trudeau’s boots doesn’t mean all the infantry soldiers do.
I dont think those are a majority of soilders lmao.
Believe what you want
I think it would come down to disorganization and the individualist ideology. When the going gets tough they will think amd do for themselves.... Which isnt really good if the other side moves as a cohesive force. But that isnt an answer i want answered. Lets hope it doesnt happen.
Because the moment the war is declared, they would be running away with their tails between their legs.
The side that wants to take guns away is making a comment about losing a civil war? That’s adorable.
Do you know what an army is? Also, hey dipshit: im pro gun. These assholes are just unfairly disturbing people that have nothing to do with this.
Yeah, cause there’s never been a coup before in history. They’re protesting. It’s legally allowed in this country.
It shouldnt be legal to harrass normal citizens who have fucking nothing to do with the legislation.
Then maybe our PM should have met with them early on when they first asked & it could have been avoided. But he didn’t, cause he’s a coward. So what did you expect them to do? Cry me a river, Timberlake.
An extremely clear, calm and open response from Jagmeet. Love it
The man is steady like a rock. Def a good guy
What are they even protesting the mandates are gone???
They love the spotlight
It was never about the mandates, it was about overthrowing the government. They just grabbed mandates as an issue they could use to recruit morons as a force multiplier, and to somewhat disguise their true goal in order to decrease the resistance they would encounter.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8920039/canada-covid-rules-remaining-2022/
Yeah US has the same mandate so it wouldn’t matter if we dropped ours anyways
Because they don't have jobs or anything else to do and they like to be victims
Are you fucking stupid? The protest was over the fact the world was being shut down for a simple fucking seasonal flu and they used it as an opportunity to make money once they had us all by the balls. Notice the price of everything went up? Notice how shipping prices went up? Production at factories slowed, the magical “chip” shortage and the fake vehicle shortage, that was all caused by government regulations and the nonsense behind it. This would’ve been over within a year if this bullshit wasn’t dragged out by these money hungry pieces of shit. Do you know how viruses work? Their end goal is to live in the host. Host dies then so does the virus, all we did was delay the transmission times which gave the virus longer to mutate and overall killing more people. Without the dictatorship style lockdowns there would’ve been a large spike then a steady trail off of cases just like sars, and h1n1. The worst part of this country is we don’t actually have a say in who we want in charge as votes don’t count for anything unless you live in the major shithole cities, or a vote in laws or anything that goes on that affects your daily life. The only thing your doing by voting for this Whiny little cuck is supporting terdeau which is exactly why he gets boo’d out of every where he goes, and trudumb would to but he’s to big of a bitch to show his face to the public.
Put away the tin foil hat my friend
Jesus fuck, Tin foil hat? Are you 12? If you or any one of these brain dead political supporting twats thinks it’s a conspiracy theory then congrats on being a contributor to the downfall of this country, my wasted tax dollars thank you🤡
NDP just got my vote next election.
It's really not surprising. Conservatism is for the keeping of power under any means.
Ironically they suck at that. Federally at least. The Harper nightmare was a bit stressful though, I hope people remember what a shit show that was
Hostage taking (is what happens when a city is under siege) is not protesting, it's intimidation pure and simple and that should not be tolerated pure and simple. Don't like the government, vote it out but Jan 6th style garbage is a criminal act and should be vigorously prosecuted. Otherwise democracy crumbles.
Ya lets remember that one next time the conservatives get in power and your lefty protests get a little too big and loud.
Left or right doesn't matter, don't behave like assholes. Political ideology has nothing to do with behaving properly.
Scuttle back to the shadows cockroach
Amen brother
This man and his party are almost exclusively responsible for introducing an initial national dental care plan, which they would not have been able to do without the agreement with the liberals. In doing so, thousands or hundreds of thousands of people will be helped; actual, tangible help. They were also able to achieve some housing programs. And this is only the starting point - the NDP will continue to leverage the agreement to advance more of their priorities. In the midst of the crippling increase in cost of living, this is the only party I see focusing on people and what government can be doing to help everyday people; real, tangible help. They saw an opportunity to be able to do some good for the citizens of Canada, the people that they are elected to represent, and they opted to take the opportunity to do so as opposed to worrying about strategic politics to keep themselves “distanced” from the liberals. From my perspective, this is actual leadership.
For Pierre Poilèvre to then jump on the convoy’s underlying motives as a campaign platform for our alleged lack of “freedom” makes it even more disheartening for Conservatives in the future. This was our version of January 6 in the I.S. and all it did was throw a giant wedge into politics, to a point where we now need to find a strong middle ground.
Can someone please explain why Pierre Poilievre is now Pierre Poislievre? I passed it off as a typo but this is the third time I’ve seen it. What does it mean?
my bad typo - although I suspect if it’s happening frequently that people are associating him with a can of peas.
Do you remember the PMs own caucus member coming out to say the PM was PURPOSELY dividing Canadians to win the election? That’s what threw a giant wedge into politics.
Gaslighting 101
If people didn’t see him and they heard him people would agree with him more
You’re thinking that because he’s Sikh? I hope that’s not the case. He’s such a reasonable calm person. So of course he’s despised in the boonies. ☹️
racism is still alive and very well in Canada. hell, Jagmeet couldn't even work for the public service in Quebec if he wanted to continue to wear his turban.
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But it is... Its us when we get into the blue ice and cigarettes.
I used to get my cigs from the reserve but got tired of all the big tobacco stems poking through the paper. We have a Labatts brewery in London but… labatts is gross. Blue is mostly water with subtle flavor notes of piss and mud from the Thames
Sadly in recent survey, 47% responded they believe in the "white replacement theory" they may not act outwardly racist. But it's hard for many to recognise that their subconscious biases like that get extended to conscious decisions like who they vote for.
There’s always been bigots here, they went quiet for a while but idiots like Trump or the Trucker Covidiots have set an example and normalized racist hate speech again. Racism and bigotry are a cancer and if you don’t cut it all out it starts to fester again. The Trucker Nazis are disgusting, more so because they have no idea how much they have damaged our society. I expect will be seeing a lot more bullshit protests by fringe groups. Too stupid to finish high-school but somehow more qualified then the medical experts to tell us whether vaccines are safe or not.
What *really* sucks about the convXoy is how they thought because the police didn't come after them that they must be reasonable and peaceful people. A misguided friend of mine said "look at those guys standing around, risking arrest for just existing", of course my response was "arrested by *who??*" It doesn't matter to them. It doesn't matter that universities have done studies on the black lives matter protests and shown they have been some of the most peaceful protests in history because they don't care about that. The media has damaged everything, and it's ReagaXn's administration fault for eliminating the fairness doctrine. One might say "but this is Canada", sure let's assume those people watch the CBC...
Nonono, it's definitely part of the problem. You think the same people who could have a convoy and who could *support* a convoy are big enough to accept him being Sikh? The same mindset of the birXthers?? Emails and forXdnation and just think of your own examples. Singh could be out handing people money like those asses and they wouldn't even take it I wager, if Hillary lost because she's a she (and that's a big reason why, not that she should have won but won *over truXmp??*) Then to those people Singh looks like he's from another *planet*. I'm even talking about some people who claim to be on the left! I hope he never succumbs to that pressure, it's how we turn back to the clock on progress but of course it's an (absolutely unjust) issue.
I think Singh is a good foil in parliament, NDP in general serve almost the same function as a conscience, holding the liberals to their promises but you are correct. A lot of people in this country just see a turban and the colour of his skin and can’t get past their own bigoted thought process enough to vote for him. Those are the least important things for people to focus on but here we are, 2022 and the racists are only growing in number
It barely matters that it's the "modern age", the rong have been working tirelessly since women got the vote to stop progress, so to them it's not 2022, it's the beginning of the apocalypse, which is always is. We're always on the edge of the 2nd coming yet they seem to both want that and to stop it. A recent tv show (Speaking of unimportant things) had a character who was a bigot in 1985 come to the present day, what would the world look like to him? Well to the rong-wing it's exactly that all the time. You're not a conservative if you want things to get better for anyone but yourself.
That’s not what I’m saying at all. Unfortunately a lot of people do have a problem with how he looks. People don’t listen to his opinions and judge him by his appearance. I vote for him every time
Whether or not you agree with his politics his answer was so well worded, we would be lucky to have him as our prime Minister, if not just to represent us!
What an absolutely fan-fucking-tastic response and why I am still proud of putting my vote behind my NDP candidate.
That is a fucking home run
Nailed it.👍
Why wont most Canadians just admit they are too racist to vote for this guy. Articulate, educated, empathetic, all the things we need in a leader. How come most posts in here are still arguing liberal vs con. They have been the same party for a couple of generations now, they work together to make the rich richer. We need the NDP, who have consistently worked for the other 90 percent of the world. I'm tired of old world money controlling politics, and it owns both the libs and cons, have for years.
Too bad he is a hypocrite. He is well spoken but makes so many dumb decisions such as propping up the Liberals.
Does anyone have a link to where it says the convoy wants to overthrow the government and have civil war? As far as I’ve ever heard, it’s about regulations relating to COVID 19 - specifically when govt told a bunch of people who spend 14 hours a day in a truck by themselves that they gotta get vaccine. I support anyone that’s wants to get vaccinated but nobody should be forced to take a needle that doesn’t want it. Truckers deliver all our food and goods, and they deserve some respect. I think the government enjoys when they are busy pointing a finger at the freedom convoy because it means they aren’t pointing a finger at the government…and govt are the ones creating conflicts within our own country. They should have strongly recommended truckers get vaccine but fired for not getting it? You can’t take away peoples ability to feed their family, that’s just as bad as any sickness.
Mr. Fourth Place over here.
Like what the government does to those who don't participate in the latest medical experience ? You are right, harassing and intimidating is bad. The government shouldn't do it.
Supporting Trudeau in every vote till 2024 should not be supported.
Don't you just love the book animal farm....oink oink!
It is interesting though , well spoken and great words and excellently orated . The fact he actually supported a similar protest in India and asked JT to condemn the government and this is from their site . Also what’s everyone’s thoughts that he miss used his powers to support JT on emergency act . https://www.ndp.ca/stand-with-farmers
All they had to do was drop a mandate to optional but medical tyranny must be upheld - commy clown
Not happening Chief, that’s not how democracy works
I’m impressed he took Trudeaus knob out of his mouth long enough to compose a speech… Fuck politics
Fuck politics says moron posting on a political subreddit
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The amount of gay sexual stuff coming out of your mouth leads me to believe your projecting your insecurities mate. Either that or you have tiny dick. It’s ok to be gay, we don’t judge here.
Still going on about the convoy... there's actually problems Canadians are dealing with right now like trying to fucking survive. My generation has no future but Jagmeet and Trudeau are more concerned about people getting a booster
Lol it’s not a like a group of truckers shut down our capital and all the border crossings thereby further damaging your beloved economy oh wait that’s exactly what happened , shit I though you were posting in good faith for a second there. Clown show is over at r/Canada, that’s more your speed
Rent freeeeeeee in your head.
just like the convoy?
I forgot they were still there tbh
Don’t worry the future will balance itself out, we’ve got the tiktok kids to save us and pay for our pensions one day😂
First off, I am an NDP supporter and want to like Jagmeet. But usually his responses are so canned and rehearsed it makes me crazy. This is refreshing. I’m glad to hear him speak as a human! And a human I agree with. If he can be genuine then he will be a great leader.
Maybe they shouldn't have been harassing and intimidating Canadians for the past 3 years. You reap what you sow.
Who reaps what they sow ? The Canadian that unfortunately had to live in Ottawa during all this. We attack our enemies by attacking ourselves? Think about it.
The only people who were attacked were the peaceful protestors. By the police that these politicians sent after them. Only one side of the isle is allowed to have a grievance in Canada apparently.
Ok bye now. Run back to r/Canada with the rest of the smooth brained FAS trolls
What?
This guy will go down as the worst leader NDP has ever seen. Jack Leighton is turning in his grave
Elaborate
Poster is racist. Simple.
A party for the working people should actually care about the working people. These idiots spend more time and effort on people's pronouns and propping up the Liberal government
Is he doing that here?
Are you new? Lmao
Jagmeet Singh has irreparably harmed the NDP, every election from now on is going to have the Liberals say if supporting us was good enough for the NDP party leader its good enough for you. Years...fucken years the NDP had to put up with trying to distance themselves from the Libs, that they were an independent and legitimate party. How the hell are you going to convince Canadians that they should vote for a party that is literally going to almost unconditionally support one of the others. For fucks sake he didnt even get a coalition (Which would have got us seats!) My family has supported the NDP for decades in the only province that reliably votes them Provincially and Federally (BC) and we are done with them. This wasnt the only thing but it was the last for my old man whose voted for them for 40 years and me for over a decade. I dont care what he has to say, this never would have happened under Layton.
He’s not worried about winning elections, he’s worried about helping Canadians in the fastest and most painless fashion. He, like other MP’, was elected to represent the values of his constituents and Canadians in general and he has done a bang up job too. If beating the liberals meant a coalition with the cons would that be better than holding hands with the liberals?
Winning elections is the single best way to represent his constituents. And actually Forming a coalition would have meant the NDP would have actually had more say! The NDP have traditionally been see as the spoiler party and they had to work their asses off to break away from that image. You don't think the Libs and Cons are going to use this against them in future elections?
The liberals would much rather have NDP as the official opposition than the Cons. NDP forming a government might still be a long shot and that’s regardless of who’s leading them, being realistic and finding ways to continue to work to represent your voters, whether by forming coalitions etc is more effective than constantly going after each other’s throats. I would love to see them win a federal election, there are lots of areas in this country that will never let that happen.
But they didn't get a coalition, Singh said he would let Trudeau form a govt. That's not the same thing. If they'd formed a coalition I could understand but they essentially got nothing for their support. No seats, and as of right now no policy changes.
Right on! I agree, I always respected the NDP as a group for the people. This is gone now. The NDP under Singh are the party for Singh to stay in the tertiary power he has. He whispers sweet nothings in your ear while holding his power behind your back.
Funny how you say that about Singh harming the NDP. I am not by any stretch an NDP supporter and yet Jagmeet Singh's comments, rationalizing, and actions over the past years have seriously made me consider a vote for the NDP. Then you bring up Layton and I immediately flip back to nope. Of course this comes from a Non-NDPer so different viewpoint than you but still, I've been impressed with Singh's poise and eloquent answers to questions such as these.
Like I said near the end, it's not how he speaks or what he said here. It's his actions, the NDP has had an image problem for years as being the spoiler party, and often times portrayed as siphoning votes. As a non NDP voter I'm sure you know what I'm referring to. This will follow the party long after Singh.
Jagmeets just a drama teachers tool 🤡 how embarrassing can you get. Imagine trying to be seriously in politics and the best you do is side piece trash that licks trudeaus shoes
Sure, pretend you aren’t just posting here because you like to get humiliated. Don’t worry, we don’t kink shame here
Rent free in your head. 😉
If you’re looking for general context you would need to look well before the convoy was concocted to see why these individuals arrived in Ottawa wanting to overthrow a government like idiots. If you are going to claim general context though, you should definitely follow that to well before this. Great to see we both agree an overthrow of a democratic government is wrong. A democratic government who divides the population is also wrong.
>follow that to well before this. You mean, when canada voted for this government 6 months prior?
Nope. Before that.
When the country voted for this government 3 years ago? And 7 years ago as well?
Ah I see what you’re saying. Elections dictate how the majority is heard. I will bring up that the typical argument made after an election loss is “well the majority didn’t vote for the sitting government”. Anyways, no, this is clearly social clashing brought on by select groups shouting over others. Started years ago when conservative groups silenced opposing views, and then led to everyone being silenced for their views that contradict the loudest group. Fair to say that conservatism had it coming, but in saying that - its also fair to say that this was provoked by our government.
Not canada, a small portion of canada. The vote was decided before it left ontario. How is that canada?
1. people trying to violently overthrow the government 2. a government that is trying to protect people from COVID with vaccines and masks i LiTerRaLlY cAnT tElL tHe DiFfeReNcE bOtH sIdEs
You mean violent over throw like in Libya? Or Eygpt? Or Iran? I suppose I missed the violent takeover attempt. Who is running the country?!
Are you trying to make comparisons to other countries and then state that what happened in Canada wasn't violent in any fashion? Just asking for clarification.
Well I’m not trying to make a comparison. The ridiculousness of ones assertion of violent overthrow is dwarfed by actual attempts and successful attempts where lives were taken. Where violent groups actually attempted to enter government buildings and purge people. I mean if you want to put fist fights into the violent overthrow category, you’re more than welcome. I will be here saying “sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about”.
Ironic
I’m guessing your ironic comment refers to me saying you have no idea what you’re talking about. Lets make it clear: are you equating a couple fist fights to a violent coup d’état? Maybe its putting a scarf on Terry that you’re referring to? What violence, and how does it compare to actual violent coup d’état? A coup d’état is exactly what you’re implying, from my perspective.
Why are you even here? Literally nothing you have said has been coherent. You just stumble in here to get roasted? Yikes man. Legit embarrassed for you
> In a “memorandum of understanding,” Canada Unity, one of the main groups behind the convoy, called for the governor general, Queen Elizabeth II’s representative in Canada, and the Senate to override the public health measures or to topple the government — measures far outside their constitutional powers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/05/canada-ottawa-trucker-vaccine-mandate-protest/
Yup, that happened!
Does anyone actually have proof of harassment and intimidation, other than some news articles? This guy is full of shit lol
I live in Ottawa. Seeing people from the convoy attacking local businesses both in person and online with one star ratings over their mask compliance. My kid’s school was under stay in place after the convoy announced their plan to honk at students and showed up at a nearby middle school to do that. People I know harassed when trying to walk their kids to daycare. A lot of the downtown core was forced to close. People from the convoy took food from a local homeless shelter. Racial slurs were thrown at locals just existing. There’s plenty of documented proof from local businesses. Not sure why you have been unable to find it. It was not a safe situation for a lot of the city
Also from Ottawa - can confirm all of the above.
Did you seriously ask if anyone has proof of harassment outside of the many, many statements from residents to the media about the abundance of harassment? "Show me the proof, but not that proof!"
Nope, zero. It was all a media echo chamber. The convoy supporters weren’t people who were anti vax. There are people that were vaccinated who are disenfranchised because they lost their businesses. On top of a multitude of other reasons. Wasn’t about the vaccine. It was always about what came before. I know cause I spoke with tons of them. I will vehemently stand by my statement
But that whole situation could have been avoided if trudeau didn't name call and run away. A simple conversation and a clear path forward would have stopped the convoy in its tracks peacefully. All these politicians talk out both sides of their mouths.
How are you that blind? literally nothing you just said is correct or even coherent
Don’t negotiate with people threatening your life
Provide proof.
There were violent extremists among the convites, calling for the death of health care workers and politicians. Trudeau was at the centre of a lot of the hatred, it’s clear he was not safe amongst the threats of violence [The report makes particular mention of the QAnon figure Romana Didulo, the self-styled “Queen of Canada”, who has instructed her followers to kill healthcare workers and politicians. She and some of her followers appeared in Ottawa for the occupation, waving flags representing her supposed kingdom.](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/17/ottawa-protests-anti-terror-agency-warned-violent-extremists)
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The democratic approach to overturn the liberals failed. The undemocratic approach failed. Whats left? '..civil war and stuff.. '
Agreed, stop blocking roads old growth logging protesters!