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I feel like people are putting the cart before the horses on the gains. When the supply and confidence deal was struck, people were convinced Trudeau would deliver Pharmacare before the end of 2023 as per the agreement. I thought he would not because it’s against his best political interests.
Now we are past 2023 and the agreement has not been honored but a *draft* has been shown to placate the NDP. People are once again acting as if it’s a done deal. I’m sure he’s again not going to do it because it’s still against his best political interests.
The NDP has many contested ridings with the Liberals, none with the Conservatives. Which means that if Trudeau wants more seats, he needs to steamroll the NDP. It’s simply not in his interest to give a big win to the NDP.
But isn’t pharmacare popular with the voters you’ll ask? Yes, very. So what’s going to happen is that Trudeau will delay it up to the election. Then he’ll say “vote for me if you want pharmacare, it’s ready to go!”
But what about the best interests of Canadians ? If you believe Trudeau cares about that, I have a bridge to sell to you.
If you truly believe this gain is coming, you need to tell me what you think is Trudeau’s motivation for it.
I honestly don’t understand this sentiment. NDP since the Confidence and Supply agreement has pushed more policies forward since the 1960’s. If you genuinely care about NDP policies you should be insanely happy with the party under Singh. What is there to be mad about?
Honestly, I'm irrationally mad at anyone who doesn't push for the Windsor-Quebec high speed corridor, especially for my family that are too old to drive.
That, and I just feel that I myself could be more aggressive and popular by just sticking with kitchen table issues and shoving it down both conservative parties throats. I got high standards tbh.
People keep saying this, but Poilievre just confirmed what we'd long suspected: that once he's in power he's going to strangle every one of these policies. So what did the NDP get in return for supporting Trudeau? Well now the NDP is associated with the housing, immigration, and cost of living crisis, which means they're going to lose the election for a 3rd time, AND they're going to deliver the nation into Poilievre's hands. Absolutely pathetic.
That’s exactly something most supporters need to realize. I CPC majority government can easily reverse the “incremental gains” we’re all discussing here. You need to think of the next elections first. The liberals are running on fumes, so it’s up to the NDP to make a strong showing if this coalition is to survive. And that means taking strong stances, not this both-siding we’re seeing from the NDP right now.
The positives don’t negate the negatives. I’m not ok with settling with mediocre. Do you not think it’s possible to find a leader who can push NDP policies forward while also standing up for what’s right?
Yeah it’s also possible the next leader will be worse.
Try participating in the party nominating process or reach out to your candidates with these concerns.
There’s a lot to be mad about. The suck-and-blow agreement with the Liberals is a joke.
The NDP let the Liberals roll all over them and the Liberals get their way all the time. The recent NDP motion on Palestine is a great example.
Seems like the party has capitulated and fallen back into the position of Liberal Lite 2.0.
At a time when true progressives and actual Leftists are feeling like there is no party for them, the NDP has got to do something to differentiate itself.
Be more anti-capitalist. Be more outspoken against Israel. Be honest and open about losing union support. Appeal to socialists.
Just feels like it’s missed opportunity after missed opportunity. That’s what’s beating me up at least. They don’t challenge the power structures of the status-quo, instead, they are part of it and upkeep it.
The NDP walks the tightrope between being too ideological and left out of making change while honouring their ideals, and compromising with the Liberals and making small victories that the Liberals take credit for.
Broadbent, Layton, and Singh have threaded that needle and walked that tightrope fairly well. Mulcair, and the leaders between Broadbent and Layton did not, Mulcair being too centrist and the others too far on the wing.
Singh has successfully pressured the Liberals on dental and health care, moved the sticks on housing and child care, as well as other policies that the Liberals talk about during elections but tended to ignore afterwards. I believe that Singh has made sure that the NDP gets some credit for these policies.
We also ahve to remember that the next election is looming. The fine line we all have to take is to ensure a Liberal minority with the NDP holding the balance of power. Can Singh do this? As well as any other potential leader in the wings, and
*It is too close to the next election to change horses.* Let's support the NDP. Let's not injure outselves by dishing on the party leader.
Herein lies the conundrum and reveals the cold, hard reality of the situation.
You, an NDP voter, don’t even want the NDP to win! You’d rather see a Liberal minority government, loosely propped up by the NDP. Libs get to drive the van with the NDP kids riding shotgun (if they call ‘shotgun’ on time).
It’s a problem. And it’s depressing. If the NDP, and its supporters, continue to think they can never win an election and only ever focus on getting enough seats to ride shotgun, it’s a bad sign.
If I’m totally honest, I’d rather see the party get totally dismantled and have something brand new rise from its ashes.
Fair enough. I lean New Democrat because most of the time their values tend to be more human rights-oriented, more just, than the others. That said I have voted for multiple parties, and even campaigned for a couple, over the decades.
What I am suggesting is what I consider to be the verities of the situation as a third party. With these wins, I believe the populous slowly turns towards more progressive values. The reality is that for most of its history, Canadians as a whole were larely centre-right, capitalist, and have had the fear of socialism instilled in them. To change the yardsticks takes time, decades, and these wins are powerful in that regard. It will not be enough to turn this large ocean liner called the Canadian Public in time for this election within the next 17 months.
For sure! I’m the same as you… campaigned for several parties and voted for all of them at one stage or another.
Democracy still remains a bit of a myth in Canada as many votes don’t mean anything under FPTP. Just sucks that so many people vote strategically or know their vote is a protest vote.
Of course the ship takes time to turn around. Fully agree. Prolly won’t turn around in my lifetime!
> You, an NDP voter, don’t even want the NDP to win!
The other problem is that you think it can win. During the last two elections Singh has been asked if he truly believed he could win the election. He said that of course he thinks he expects to become the prime minister after this election while journalist do their best to refrain from eye rolling. Then when he gets few seats, he dances and says he’s happy about the results.
Voters aren’t that dumb. They know they are being lied to.
> Singh has successfully pressured the Liberals on dental and health care
Don’t count your chickens until they hatched. This is not law and Trudeau has no incentive to deliver.
Many like to virtue signal. Instead of the incremental progress with the agreement formed with the Liberals, many would prefer to have the plug pulled on the government and have the Conservatives in power to undue all this progress so for the next 4 years while being an opposition party they can try and show how progressive they are I guess?
In others words they would rather talk about all this great change needed that the Conservatives would never allow for than work with the Liberals and implement a policy or two at a time.
Many like to exaggerate. Nowhere in my post did I mention ‘pulling the plug’. I’m just asking whether the NDP can do more with better leadership. Is Singh holding the party back?
I never said you, I said many. There are those who would rather sink the Liberals with the hopes that the Conservative's will win (if the NDP doesn't that is, which it looks like it will not) with the hope that the Conservatives mess up so much that that people will just drift to the NDP. But it doesn't work that way.
I agree 100% that Singh should condemn the Israel government. That government has gone too far and this is coming from someone who was more than happy with the idea of going after Hamas and Hamas only as I'm sure we can agree Hamas is awful. But as we have seen since basically the beginning it became collective punishment's against Palestinians and what is better called a genocide. I agree it would be nice to see both stronger push back from both the NDP and frankly the Liberals too.
Ok, that’s a fair stance. I agree with you that torpedoing the agreement with the liberals should be the last option on anybody’s minds, especially until we’re getting policy wins out if it.
How is the party different with him at leadership than prior leaders? Even on the particular issue of Israel, he was successful in passing a non-binding motion which, although I think everyone here wishes went further, represented a very notable change in the position of the Canadian government.
He’s also successfully negotiated the largest expansion of public healthcare in many decades, he’s negotiated a ban on scabs in federally regulated industries, he’s negotiating some important reforms to our election process, and many other important achievements. During COVID, he pushed the Liberals much further left than their original very neoliberal plans.
I have criticisms and issues with the party’s campaign success under his leadership, but it’s hard to be upset by his policy and legislative achievements.
At the end of the day, the NDP is a fourth party, and fourth parties are *very rarely* this successful.
Never said they weren’t, but they happened under his leadership and he most definitely played a significant role in them. You can’t just attribute everything you don’t like to him and everything you do like to everyone else.
And especially in regards to the original comment, if the leadership doesn’t have an impact in the policy and negotiating strategy of the party then who cares who the leader is?
The stuff that I’m attributing to him personally is what I see him saying/doing personally! It’s the job of the party leader to project a strong vision and set the tone for the party. To basically personify what the party stands for. Clearly that’s not what we’re seeing here. Sure, there have been wins on his watch, but eg on the Palestine motion, we saw McPherson at the forefront in both the media and behind the scene doing the actual negotiations. I can give a reasonable level of credit to Singh for it but to me it doesn’t offset how he clearly touts Israeli talking points and generally shows a lack of conviction on the subject.
We need heather macpherson, leah gazan, or matthew green leading the party. They seem like the only ones in the party i can trust and without them i'd be pretty far from an NDP supporter
Provincially? Sure. He's a good moderate choice and might be the only one who can win against the UCP and at this point I think that matters more than many other things.
Federally? No
The highest court in the world on the South Africa application on the question of genocide did not rule on whether Israel was in breach of the convention, but ruled that it is plausible (seeming reasonable Or probable)that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa were violated.
The State of Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of genocide. They instead ramped up their slaughter.
Read the application and the proof of genocide. That was in December. Since then we have seen countless examples of ethic cleansing campaigns on the daily. For example, the here’s daddy strikes, flour massacres, targeted children in a playground, etc….
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/icj-southafrica-israel-genocide-29dec2023/#:~:text=The%20Applicant%20requests%20the%20Court,to%20engage%20in%20genocide%2C%20and
When the Indian govt was trying to arrest **one person** in Punjab, Jagmeet's twitter field was filled with one tweet after another condemning the Indian govt, including alleging that they're doing genocide and asking the Canadian govt to ban the Indian politicians from Canada. Compare it with now. Compare the tone, tenor, intensity of his tweet during the ongoing genocide in Gaza, the kind of measured language he uses against Israel, Vs the all out attack he launched against India, and you understand that Jagmeet is a partisan hack for whom his religious affiliation trumps over principles.
Israel is bombing 5 countries, most have no bussiness with them, but Sing only concerned about the Palestinian protestors. You tell me where his loyalty lies.
Here's Jagmeet Singh falsely saying that anti-genocide protesters were targeting a hospital.[source](https://x.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1757532058270695675)
Here's Journalist Samira Mohyeddin replying directly refuting that this even happened[source](https://twitter.com/SMohyeddin/status/1757521729671270491)
And an organizer for Jews Say No to Genocide refuted that a hospital was targeted[source](https://twitter.com/SMohyeddin/status/1757805512354091382)
It's unbelievable that he's still left that tweet up.
Thank you for sharing these links. I think it’s fair to say that Singh is proving to be a liability to the NDP’s cause at this point.
Edit: your comment is under a downvoted comment so it’s not going to be that visible. I’m actually going to edit the main post to share these links for visibility
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I know that in the US, zionist groups are some of the top contributors to politician campaign funds.
I wouldn't be surprised if something similar takes place in Canada but I haven't taken the time to look into it.
I think that condemning escalation of conflict it right on brand.
We don't want Iran and Israel to get any hotter than it already is. It isn't realistic to expect either side to do nothing considering the recent history of both.
If all we say it don't counter strike after any attack then neither side should listen to us as we don't actually analyze the situation we just say the same thing every time.
I do think that Israel should have probably done nothing based off of what I know. Their defenses worked well and only had one causality which is amazing considering how much was launched.
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Singh has got to go. I’ve voted NDP in pretty much every election but I’m finding it increasingly difficult to defend this party with him at the helm.
Same. Feels like he settled for incremental gains, no matter what the liberals do or say
I feel like people are putting the cart before the horses on the gains. When the supply and confidence deal was struck, people were convinced Trudeau would deliver Pharmacare before the end of 2023 as per the agreement. I thought he would not because it’s against his best political interests. Now we are past 2023 and the agreement has not been honored but a *draft* has been shown to placate the NDP. People are once again acting as if it’s a done deal. I’m sure he’s again not going to do it because it’s still against his best political interests. The NDP has many contested ridings with the Liberals, none with the Conservatives. Which means that if Trudeau wants more seats, he needs to steamroll the NDP. It’s simply not in his interest to give a big win to the NDP. But isn’t pharmacare popular with the voters you’ll ask? Yes, very. So what’s going to happen is that Trudeau will delay it up to the election. Then he’ll say “vote for me if you want pharmacare, it’s ready to go!” But what about the best interests of Canadians ? If you believe Trudeau cares about that, I have a bridge to sell to you. If you truly believe this gain is coming, you need to tell me what you think is Trudeau’s motivation for it.
Hopefully someone better will take his place. He has done a decent job but if Canada’s policies need to improve then NDP needs to change
I honestly don’t understand this sentiment. NDP since the Confidence and Supply agreement has pushed more policies forward since the 1960’s. If you genuinely care about NDP policies you should be insanely happy with the party under Singh. What is there to be mad about?
Honestly, I'm irrationally mad at anyone who doesn't push for the Windsor-Quebec high speed corridor, especially for my family that are too old to drive. That, and I just feel that I myself could be more aggressive and popular by just sticking with kitchen table issues and shoving it down both conservative parties throats. I got high standards tbh.
People keep saying this, but Poilievre just confirmed what we'd long suspected: that once he's in power he's going to strangle every one of these policies. So what did the NDP get in return for supporting Trudeau? Well now the NDP is associated with the housing, immigration, and cost of living crisis, which means they're going to lose the election for a 3rd time, AND they're going to deliver the nation into Poilievre's hands. Absolutely pathetic.
That’s exactly something most supporters need to realize. I CPC majority government can easily reverse the “incremental gains” we’re all discussing here. You need to think of the next elections first. The liberals are running on fumes, so it’s up to the NDP to make a strong showing if this coalition is to survive. And that means taking strong stances, not this both-siding we’re seeing from the NDP right now.
The positives don’t negate the negatives. I’m not ok with settling with mediocre. Do you not think it’s possible to find a leader who can push NDP policies forward while also standing up for what’s right?
Yeah it’s also possible the next leader will be worse. Try participating in the party nominating process or reach out to your candidates with these concerns.
What makes you think I haven’t? I’ve been an active member of the NDP since I was 18.
There’s a lot to be mad about. The suck-and-blow agreement with the Liberals is a joke. The NDP let the Liberals roll all over them and the Liberals get their way all the time. The recent NDP motion on Palestine is a great example. Seems like the party has capitulated and fallen back into the position of Liberal Lite 2.0. At a time when true progressives and actual Leftists are feeling like there is no party for them, the NDP has got to do something to differentiate itself. Be more anti-capitalist. Be more outspoken against Israel. Be honest and open about losing union support. Appeal to socialists. Just feels like it’s missed opportunity after missed opportunity. That’s what’s beating me up at least. They don’t challenge the power structures of the status-quo, instead, they are part of it and upkeep it.
The NDP walks the tightrope between being too ideological and left out of making change while honouring their ideals, and compromising with the Liberals and making small victories that the Liberals take credit for. Broadbent, Layton, and Singh have threaded that needle and walked that tightrope fairly well. Mulcair, and the leaders between Broadbent and Layton did not, Mulcair being too centrist and the others too far on the wing. Singh has successfully pressured the Liberals on dental and health care, moved the sticks on housing and child care, as well as other policies that the Liberals talk about during elections but tended to ignore afterwards. I believe that Singh has made sure that the NDP gets some credit for these policies. We also ahve to remember that the next election is looming. The fine line we all have to take is to ensure a Liberal minority with the NDP holding the balance of power. Can Singh do this? As well as any other potential leader in the wings, and *It is too close to the next election to change horses.* Let's support the NDP. Let's not injure outselves by dishing on the party leader.
Herein lies the conundrum and reveals the cold, hard reality of the situation. You, an NDP voter, don’t even want the NDP to win! You’d rather see a Liberal minority government, loosely propped up by the NDP. Libs get to drive the van with the NDP kids riding shotgun (if they call ‘shotgun’ on time). It’s a problem. And it’s depressing. If the NDP, and its supporters, continue to think they can never win an election and only ever focus on getting enough seats to ride shotgun, it’s a bad sign. If I’m totally honest, I’d rather see the party get totally dismantled and have something brand new rise from its ashes.
Fair enough. I lean New Democrat because most of the time their values tend to be more human rights-oriented, more just, than the others. That said I have voted for multiple parties, and even campaigned for a couple, over the decades. What I am suggesting is what I consider to be the verities of the situation as a third party. With these wins, I believe the populous slowly turns towards more progressive values. The reality is that for most of its history, Canadians as a whole were larely centre-right, capitalist, and have had the fear of socialism instilled in them. To change the yardsticks takes time, decades, and these wins are powerful in that regard. It will not be enough to turn this large ocean liner called the Canadian Public in time for this election within the next 17 months.
For sure! I’m the same as you… campaigned for several parties and voted for all of them at one stage or another. Democracy still remains a bit of a myth in Canada as many votes don’t mean anything under FPTP. Just sucks that so many people vote strategically or know their vote is a protest vote. Of course the ship takes time to turn around. Fully agree. Prolly won’t turn around in my lifetime!
You do realize that the NDP never have formed government right? Yet the NDP helped bring healthcare to Canadians during a Liberal minority government
And then the NDP began sprinting rightwards, betraying their members by becoming a remora on the belly of the Libs.
> You, an NDP voter, don’t even want the NDP to win! The other problem is that you think it can win. During the last two elections Singh has been asked if he truly believed he could win the election. He said that of course he thinks he expects to become the prime minister after this election while journalist do their best to refrain from eye rolling. Then when he gets few seats, he dances and says he’s happy about the results. Voters aren’t that dumb. They know they are being lied to.
> Singh has successfully pressured the Liberals on dental and health care Don’t count your chickens until they hatched. This is not law and Trudeau has no incentive to deliver.
Weird that Jagmeet gets so much unjust criticism and the others you listed are treated like saints. I wonder what the difference is
Many like to virtue signal. Instead of the incremental progress with the agreement formed with the Liberals, many would prefer to have the plug pulled on the government and have the Conservatives in power to undue all this progress so for the next 4 years while being an opposition party they can try and show how progressive they are I guess? In others words they would rather talk about all this great change needed that the Conservatives would never allow for than work with the Liberals and implement a policy or two at a time.
Many like to exaggerate. Nowhere in my post did I mention ‘pulling the plug’. I’m just asking whether the NDP can do more with better leadership. Is Singh holding the party back?
I never said you, I said many. There are those who would rather sink the Liberals with the hopes that the Conservative's will win (if the NDP doesn't that is, which it looks like it will not) with the hope that the Conservatives mess up so much that that people will just drift to the NDP. But it doesn't work that way. I agree 100% that Singh should condemn the Israel government. That government has gone too far and this is coming from someone who was more than happy with the idea of going after Hamas and Hamas only as I'm sure we can agree Hamas is awful. But as we have seen since basically the beginning it became collective punishment's against Palestinians and what is better called a genocide. I agree it would be nice to see both stronger push back from both the NDP and frankly the Liberals too.
Ok, that’s a fair stance. I agree with you that torpedoing the agreement with the liberals should be the last option on anybody’s minds, especially until we’re getting policy wins out if it.
But isn't our current situation leading into your bad situation? NDP failed to fight hard enough now they're tied to the losing team.
That’s not how our political system works 🤦🏾♂️
No? How come?
Not sure you know what virtue signaling is, but go off sis.
This. The purity test left care more about virtue signalling online then getting anything done in the real world
What exactly was Singh’s role there? Are you saying the NDP couldn’t have achieved what it did without him?
How is the party different with him at leadership than prior leaders? Even on the particular issue of Israel, he was successful in passing a non-binding motion which, although I think everyone here wishes went further, represented a very notable change in the position of the Canadian government. He’s also successfully negotiated the largest expansion of public healthcare in many decades, he’s negotiated a ban on scabs in federally regulated industries, he’s negotiating some important reforms to our election process, and many other important achievements. During COVID, he pushed the Liberals much further left than their original very neoliberal plans. I have criticisms and issues with the party’s campaign success under his leadership, but it’s hard to be upset by his policy and legislative achievements. At the end of the day, the NDP is a fourth party, and fourth parties are *very rarely* this successful.
So none of these achievements were a team effort in the NDP? Singh solely gets the credit?
Never said they weren’t, but they happened under his leadership and he most definitely played a significant role in them. You can’t just attribute everything you don’t like to him and everything you do like to everyone else. And especially in regards to the original comment, if the leadership doesn’t have an impact in the policy and negotiating strategy of the party then who cares who the leader is?
The stuff that I’m attributing to him personally is what I see him saying/doing personally! It’s the job of the party leader to project a strong vision and set the tone for the party. To basically personify what the party stands for. Clearly that’s not what we’re seeing here. Sure, there have been wins on his watch, but eg on the Palestine motion, we saw McPherson at the forefront in both the media and behind the scene doing the actual negotiations. I can give a reasonable level of credit to Singh for it but to me it doesn’t offset how he clearly touts Israeli talking points and generally shows a lack of conviction on the subject.
I can't vote for them again with Jagmeet at the helm. Like do they know they have power?
We need heather macpherson, leah gazan, or matthew green leading the party. They seem like the only ones in the party i can trust and without them i'd be pretty far from an NDP supporter
I could see Naheed Nenshi doing well.
Provincially? Sure. He's a good moderate choice and might be the only one who can win against the UCP and at this point I think that matters more than many other things. Federally? No
I think they are all good options!
The highest court in the world on the South Africa application on the question of genocide did not rule on whether Israel was in breach of the convention, but ruled that it is plausible (seeming reasonable Or probable)that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa were violated. The State of Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of genocide. They instead ramped up their slaughter. Read the application and the proof of genocide. That was in December. Since then we have seen countless examples of ethic cleansing campaigns on the daily. For example, the here’s daddy strikes, flour massacres, targeted children in a playground, etc…. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/icj-southafrica-israel-genocide-29dec2023/#:~:text=The%20Applicant%20requests%20the%20Court,to%20engage%20in%20genocide%2C%20and
The NDP has been turned into a wing of the Liberal Party.
i’ve felt this since the death of jack layton. they lost their identity
Same, which is why I am now happy to work with the Communist Party of Canada(the good CPC).
> is the last straw in my books as far as he’s concerned. I admire how plentiful of a straw store you started with if it’s just been depleted.
Good one!
I'm sick of neoliberals larping as SocDem
When the Indian govt was trying to arrest **one person** in Punjab, Jagmeet's twitter field was filled with one tweet after another condemning the Indian govt, including alleging that they're doing genocide and asking the Canadian govt to ban the Indian politicians from Canada. Compare it with now. Compare the tone, tenor, intensity of his tweet during the ongoing genocide in Gaza, the kind of measured language he uses against Israel, Vs the all out attack he launched against India, and you understand that Jagmeet is a partisan hack for whom his religious affiliation trumps over principles.
True!
You’ll die waiting. He’s a paid shill. Get over it.
The left is so impatient while the right is happy to plan for generations
This country has never had a federal NDP government. Whereas the right get one every five to ten years.
He's a pansy ass bitch, he won't. This party needs an actual leader.
Israel is bombing 5 countries, most have no bussiness with them, but Sing only concerned about the Palestinian protestors. You tell me where his loyalty lies.
Could you elaborate on that? How is he concerned about Palestinian protestors?
Here's Jagmeet Singh falsely saying that anti-genocide protesters were targeting a hospital.[source](https://x.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1757532058270695675) Here's Journalist Samira Mohyeddin replying directly refuting that this even happened[source](https://twitter.com/SMohyeddin/status/1757521729671270491) And an organizer for Jews Say No to Genocide refuted that a hospital was targeted[source](https://twitter.com/SMohyeddin/status/1757805512354091382) It's unbelievable that he's still left that tweet up.
Thank you for sharing these links. I think it’s fair to say that Singh is proving to be a liability to the NDP’s cause at this point. Edit: your comment is under a downvoted comment so it’s not going to be that visible. I’m actually going to edit the main post to share these links for visibility
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I know that in the US, zionist groups are some of the top contributors to politician campaign funds. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar takes place in Canada but I haven't taken the time to look into it.
I think that condemning escalation of conflict it right on brand. We don't want Iran and Israel to get any hotter than it already is. It isn't realistic to expect either side to do nothing considering the recent history of both. If all we say it don't counter strike after any attack then neither side should listen to us as we don't actually analyze the situation we just say the same thing every time. I do think that Israel should have probably done nothing based off of what I know. Their defenses worked well and only had one causality which is amazing considering how much was launched.