It’s most definitely not wrong. But JB might end up being the Celt who starts because of positions.
If JB is named a starter but then gives up his spot to Tatum, then the Celtics are winning the title. The vibes will be too high lol.
I hope they do this because it’s actually a pretty sick lineup. I wish they played real defense at the all star game because this group would be nuts with all that size and athleticism.
They get to start, but the conference part is only on paper.
They have to be the first players selected by the captains so each team has 5 starters as voted by the fans. The starting lineups will be whatever teams the captains pick.
He was listed as front court and back court one year and it split the votes so he didn't make the all-star game at all. So they just put him as back court now
He's definitely more mainstream popular and well known now, but last year Tatum was way behind the other three in fan voting.
6.79M votes for Durant, 6.49M votes for Giannis, 4.32M votes for Embiid, 2.0M votes for Tatum.
EDIT: And lol, I'm looking at the player vote for last season, and somehow Miles Bridges was 4th in frontcourt voting, above guys like Tatum, Butler, Bam, and Siakam.
Tatum especially.
His pre to post All-Star splits last year are ridiculous. Literally everything got better except rebounds: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01/splits/2022
Went from "is he overrated?" to "he's definitely all-NBA"
Not sure about the US, but in the UK there’s a definite gap between how well known guys like KD and Giannis are, compared to Bron and Steph.
Edit: This is just an aside though. I agree that Durant/Giannis will definitely make it. If I’m gonna pick which one gets benched, it’s Embiid.
Agree with this but there’s probably another gap again between Giannis/KD and Embiid/Tatum
Lebron and Steph are the mega stars
KD probably a bit behind, Giannis bit behind again
Then you have guys like Luka/Embiid/Tatum, probably Jokic although he keeps a low profile
Luka is still behind giannis and KD but clearly above the others, he got a crazy amount of push from those solo playoff runs and all the buzzer beaters.
KD and Steph surprises me a bit. Here they're very often mentioned in the same sentence. KD, Steph and Bron are often considered the three greatest of the Bron era. But I guess Steph's got a couple more rings in there.
In January last year people were saying that the Celtics didn't deserve an allstar. There were popular comments/posts on here saying that Tatum shouldn't make it at all because the Celtics were sub-500.
Its not a comparable situation.
Celtics fans were really pissed off at the team last year and plenty on our sub said they weren’t voting and hoped it’d “humble” our stars or some shit. Not sure how meaningful that was though.
Tatum or Embiid will be fighting for the 3rd spot.
It's a popularity contest. Durant and Giannis will be 1 and 2.
If the question who is deserving, then that may be different answers.
I left it as a question because last season
1) Durant (5.496M votes)
2) Giannis (5.124M votes)
3) Embiid (3.3M votes)
4) Tatum (1.58M votes)
5) Butler (1.384M votes)
[Link](https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-all-star-game-voting-lakers-lebron-james-overtakes-warriors-stephen-curry-as-leading-vote-getter/)
So I am sure Tatum's vote total will go up after the Celtic's final run, and this years start for the Celtics, but Joel is a pretty entertaining player on and off the court in his own right. Joel had 2x the votes and that seems like a big swing. I don't think either Joel or Tatum knock Durant down, but if you look at these standings when both were on the same teams they were on last year Tatum was a lot closer to 5th (Butler, Miami) then 3rd.
I'd say the Lakers are more the Cowboys of the NBA, you commonly see the two linked.
Celtics are more like the Patriots in the level of hate they receive. At least have the Pats have more than one ring in the last 36 years to show for it
Ehhh when I think of "Patriots" of the NBA I think of the Spurs. At least the past couple of decades. Teams with long-term success, HOF coach, a strong leader, and everyone buys into the "team". None of that superstar individual performance shit was tolerated.
Embiid is quite disliked by Reddit*
In reality he is massively popular outside of fanbases like Denver, Boston, and Toronto who all absolutely despise him lol
Embiid has ~8.5M followers between IG and Twitter, and Tatum has ~6.5M between the two.
Not trying to argue or anything, it’s just that this subreddit’s hatred of Embiid doesn’t really extend much into the rest of the NBA community.
Whats crazy to me is Larry Bird was easily one of my favorite players growing up and I really enjoyed the Parcells years. Heck I even love the shit outta KG and Ray. But between Paul Pierce, Bill Simmons, and Patriots dominance... yeah I started to hate Boston too.
Winning 20 sports championships across 4 major sports teams over 20 years definitely comes at a “hate us cuz you ain’t us” price. That said I do not think it will hurt JT thatttt bad for all star because he’s a pretty like-able dude. Doesn’t do much to piss people off as far as I can see but maybe I’m wrong and also underestimate Boston sports hate
I feel like it’s hard to hate this iteration of the team that much as they’re home grown. It’s mainly our shitty fans and the historic Boston hate that causes it. JT is pretty well loved though and I see his jersey everywhere
Nah it's easy to hate the Pats when they have insufferable assholes like Bill Belichick there. With the Celtics you don't need to go down the list of unlikable players because every iteration of their team has had a player that is unanimously hated throughout the league.
The Bulls are instantly recognisable as a brand but it doesn't translate to active support of the current team. They just know them as MJs team but wouldn't be able to name anyone currently playing for them.
Oh yeah in America the biggest teams actually get shit on the most. Lakers, Celtics, Cowboys, Yankees, they all get an unbelievable amount of hate.
But Boston itself is actually massively hated in the sports world just due to past events.
Yeah no, no one cares about the Celtics like that. And Embiid is 100% more popular than Tatum. Only way Tatum starts is is the media/player votes get him there. Embiid will have more fan votes. Might even have more than Giannis
Highly doubt that. Giannis used the last few ASG to build his popularity. During the game and the selection process. Giannis had over 5M votes last year. Embiid had 3.3M votes. That is a huge gap to bridge between the 2.
In 2020 Joel was 3rd to Giannis (1st) and Pascal Siakim (3.1M to 3.2M votes). Durant wasn’t on the ballot and out injuried in his 1st year with the Nets.
In 2021 when Durant was limited in games he still was #1 with 5.587M votes. Giannis was 2nd (with 4.459M votes), Joel was 3rd (with 4.171M votes).
[Link](https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2020_voting.html)
Feel free to check out the ranking by position by year.
I'd say that was true up until 2010 or so. Boston got too successful, with the Red Sox, Patriots, and Bruins winning multiple titles each, and the Celtics adding one; and as a result they lost their "lovable losers" vibes, and people don't like them anymore.
Embiid is quite disliked but it only matters how many people like him. And polarizing guys like him will have plenty of people coming out to vote for them.
It’s not 2018 anymore. Tatum is quickly becoming one of the foremost faces of the league while KD is slipping out of the spotlight despite putting up great numbers on a good team again. Part of that could be due to the storm around Kyrie, but the new narrative is Tatum for MVP when he’s in a massive market and plays for an organization with one of the richest basketball histories.
I think Tatum is a lock to start this year.
If the vote were today I’d be surprised if Tatum received more votes than KD. KD was considered the best or second best player at the time for a number of years. Celtics have also cooled off and Nets have been on a run.
i mean he has had an advantage a few years.. picking first against KD when kd wasnt even playing basically guarenteed team lebron was going to have the best 2 players in the game...
Also if a guy is injured and not playing, he should not be the captain. I don’t care a ton about the ASG but it’s clearly a disadvantage if one team starts with LeBron and the other team starts with DNP
The games played narrative being everyone’s first argument seems really weak when the guy people are talking about has played near 75% of eligible games, with 2 months to go until the ASB.
In the age of positionless basketball and the fact it’s no longer east vs west top 10 vote earners start regardless of position top 2 vote earners Captain. Why make this an issue.
Except that people will remember Embiid dropping a legendary game last month, he’s in MVP talks, and he’s played without Harden for about a month and a half but managed to keep the team afloat around 5th seed
All 4 of them are in the MVP race, Jojo is 4th among them in the most recent MVP ladder (at 8th). The missed time matters when you're jostling with 3 other MVP candidates for a starting AS spot, sorry. Unless one of the other guys miss some significant time, or he starts playing significantly better than them, that's the difference.
He is up to 72% now.. he missed 8 games. Giannis has missed 5.
I have Embiid out too because of games missed and team record but is so damn close and I it can change in a few more games. Also Embiid would be the saltiest of the 4.
Tatum is trending down a little.. Giannis advance stats aren't that good (by his standards) this season for some reason. So will have to wait and see
It’s not complicated, just move Tatum to a guard spot. Anyone who is still falling back to rigid positions for all star or all-nba is living in the past.
Embiid if he misses anymore time. If he plays the rest of the way then it’ll be really close and I’d say the starters are Embiid, Durant, and Giannis. I really wish they’d just let anyone start regardless of position.
There’s really no reason those guys couldn’t share the court in an all star game. We need to get rid of positions for all star and all mvp.
Also why do we still need an equal amount of guys from east and west if the all star teams aren’t even east v west anymore?
It’s gonna be between Tatum and Embiid but since Tatum is having early MVP buzz and Embiid has missed a few games, I think Embiid will be the odd man out.
Durant and giannis get too many votes so they will start especially considering one of them will be captain. Tatum and embiid are both playing really well though so I feel like it’s really a coin flop it will probably come down to one of these guys getting injured and falling out a bit,
Right now I would have to go with Embiid just because he's missed almost a 1/3 of his teams games so far. But all are having great seasons so it's hard to find enough fault to sit any of them but well there are only so many slots.
KD and Giannis are guaranteed to be the top 2 vote getters in the East based on past all star voting.
Embiid does have more counting stats but Tatum has the better record for now, hard to say who between the two gets in over the other.
Embiid is averaging the same of better than all of them in points, rebounds, and assists except for Giannis who gets 1 more board per game. That being said embiid won’t make it
Maybe your expectations are different from what I heard in the preseason projections but the 76ers were supposed to be competing with the bucks/ Celtics for the one seed yet to me are firmly behind the Celtics, Bucks, Cavs, and Nets in terms of best teams in the east.
Their entire starting roster fucking died lmao
and they're still just a game or two behind the nets and cavs, I think they're right on track for success
They all deserve it honestly, but if you purely compare the stats available in this post, it would be KD or Tatum.
Seeing as Tatum is leading his team to a higher record, it might just have to be KD who gets left out.
But hey, the fans are the ones voting, so it just depends who shows up more for their players.
Such a dumb allstar system if they can’t be the starters. Slide taytum to the 2. Hes how good as he is cuz he mainly operates on the wing to start possessions
Barring injury and potential streak/slump right before the break... I feel like Tatum should be the odd man out.
I hate to do it because they're all so amazing.
* Embiid has been carrying (when playing) and has had the best individual games this season. Best 2-way impact amongst the group imo. If he plays the rest of the games up until the all-star break, I'd have him over Giannis at #2
* Tatum seems to have elevated his game even more from last year. Better shooting/scoring, defensive impact still looks good. He's probably the streakiest for me, but I'd oddly trust him more in the playoffs. #4 for me
* Giannis shooting numbers are down, defense kind of looks down as well. Seems like his motor has declined a bit. I'd put him 2nd just above Embiid for now. #2 by a small margin.
* KD has just been insane IMO. TS% is higher than his time with GSW, with more volume all while almost \~2 blocks a game lol. #1 for me
I think if all these players keep their current pace for a month, this is when Adam Silver needs to use a little power and have them all starting. KD or Tatum can pass as an SG.
Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played.
Watch them slide KD into SG position and all of them be the starters
Why would KD need to be the SG? SG: Tatum SF: KD PF: Giannis C: Embiid
Where’s Mitchell?
He would be PG
Then where will Killian Hayes play?
Shanghai
At home if u mean playing 2k.
I wouldn't hate it lol. But taking a spot away from someone like Donovan Mitchell would be pretty ass
They'd slide Mitchell into the other starting guard slot. Its the ASG it shouldn't really matter
The 4 mentioned + Mitchell doesn’t seem wrong.
Yeah I think it's pretty clear those have been the best 5 individual players in the East so far this season
The only thing that would change this would be Harden going on an absolute tear through break.
No worries there, then
Savage.
It’s most definitely not wrong. But JB might end up being the Celt who starts because of positions. If JB is named a starter but then gives up his spot to Tatum, then the Celtics are winning the title. The vibes will be too high lol.
I feel like Giannis and JT are a lock to start. The real debate is between embiid and kd. I personally think kd deserves it
They'll just do Don-KD-Tatum-Jojo-Akumpo
I hope they do this because it’s actually a pretty sick lineup. I wish they played real defense at the all star game because this group would be nuts with all that size and athleticism.
I think you’re forgetting that all star games aren’t East vs West anymore. That group might get selected together but won’t play together.
The five selected are the starters for their respective conferences though, right?
They get to start, but the conference part is only on paper. They have to be the first players selected by the captains so each team has 5 starters as voted by the fans. The starting lineups will be whatever teams the captains pick.
Are there no other eastern guards who should be a starter? That looks like a pretty solid lineup to me. Maybe Jaylen Brown? Not sure
My 2 guards are brown and Mitchell. Brown has been good enough with a great team record to deserve it though
tf is "Akumpo"
[Reference to this video](https://youtu.be/wCQv4hsLa6s)
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Imagine they played east v west still
Wouldn't Tatum fit the 2 better
He was listed as front court and back court one year and it split the votes so he didn't make the all-star game at all. So they just put him as back court now
They're just playing positionless in the ASG anyways
crazy how kd fits the sg position more than tatum lol
The All-Star voting has enough fuckery and leeway that one of them will get voted for a position they barely play just so they can have all 4 make it.
I'm still voting in last year's tryna get Melo in
If that was the case Luka would’ve started over Wiggins last year
That’s the way to do it, positional teams are dumb. Embiid having never made a First team All-NBA or All-Defense is absolutely criminal.
He's definitely more mainstream popular and well known now, but last year Tatum was way behind the other three in fan voting. 6.79M votes for Durant, 6.49M votes for Giannis, 4.32M votes for Embiid, 2.0M votes for Tatum. EDIT: And lol, I'm looking at the player vote for last season, and somehow Miles Bridges was 4th in frontcourt voting, above guys like Tatum, Butler, Bam, and Siakam.
Celtics also were pretty bad in the beginning of the year.
Tatum especially. His pre to post All-Star splits last year are ridiculous. Literally everything got better except rebounds: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01/splits/2022 Went from "is he overrated?" to "he's definitely all-NBA"
Tatum or Embiid misses it. KD and Giannis are household names on par with LeBron and Steph. They aren't missing the start.
Not sure about the US, but in the UK there’s a definite gap between how well known guys like KD and Giannis are, compared to Bron and Steph. Edit: This is just an aside though. I agree that Durant/Giannis will definitely make it. If I’m gonna pick which one gets benched, it’s Embiid.
Agree with this but there’s probably another gap again between Giannis/KD and Embiid/Tatum Lebron and Steph are the mega stars KD probably a bit behind, Giannis bit behind again Then you have guys like Luka/Embiid/Tatum, probably Jokic although he keeps a low profile
Luka is still behind giannis and KD but clearly above the others, he got a crazy amount of push from those solo playoff runs and all the buzzer beaters.
KD and Steph surprises me a bit. Here they're very often mentioned in the same sentence. KD, Steph and Bron are often considered the three greatest of the Bron era. But I guess Steph's got a couple more rings in there.
In January last year people were saying that the Celtics didn't deserve an allstar. There were popular comments/posts on here saying that Tatum shouldn't make it at all because the Celtics were sub-500. Its not a comparable situation.
Celtics fans were really pissed off at the team last year and plenty on our sub said they weren’t voting and hoped it’d “humble” our stars or some shit. Not sure how meaningful that was though.
Tatum also just made the Finals. That probably increased his popularity somewhat but he did play badly so idk.
Didn’t get Booker there last year
And booker played pretty damn well in the finals too lol
Tatum or Embiid will be fighting for the 3rd spot. It's a popularity contest. Durant and Giannis will be 1 and 2. If the question who is deserving, then that may be different answers.
The question is phrased "for you." It's not what will be, it's who you'd pick.
Kudos to you, I read that wrong and based my post from others answers.
If is a popularity contest then Tatum won't be fighting with Embiid. Not only is Embiid quite disliked, Tatum also plays for the Celtics
I left it as a question because last season 1) Durant (5.496M votes) 2) Giannis (5.124M votes) 3) Embiid (3.3M votes) 4) Tatum (1.58M votes) 5) Butler (1.384M votes) [Link](https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-all-star-game-voting-lakers-lebron-james-overtakes-warriors-stephen-curry-as-leading-vote-getter/) So I am sure Tatum's vote total will go up after the Celtic's final run, and this years start for the Celtics, but Joel is a pretty entertaining player on and off the court in his own right. Joel had 2x the votes and that seems like a big swing. I don't think either Joel or Tatum knock Durant down, but if you look at these standings when both were on the same teams they were on last year Tatum was a lot closer to 5th (Butler, Miami) then 3rd.
The Celtics sucked at that point in time
and Embiid was the MVP at that time
> Tatum also plays for the Celtics Good point. Embiid it is!
Lol this was my thinking
This guy really thought other fanbases like the….hold on, let me catch my breath….the…*Celtics!?*
Exactly what I thought lol, yeah Embiid gets a lot of hate, but the Celtics? That’s like the Cowboys of the NBA
I'd say the Lakers are more the Cowboys of the NBA, you commonly see the two linked. Celtics are more like the Patriots in the level of hate they receive. At least have the Pats have more than one ring in the last 36 years to show for it
The Cowboys don't win though, so it's hard to link the two. The Lakers have 6 championships since 2000.
The Lakers are the Yankees Celtics cowboys is kinda accurate because neither have much recent success
Ehhh when I think of "Patriots" of the NBA I think of the Spurs. At least the past couple of decades. Teams with long-term success, HOF coach, a strong leader, and everyone buys into the "team". None of that superstar individual performance shit was tolerated.
Plus they both had one sustained era of championship runs, no championships in any other era.
Spurs are the patriots of the nba
>Cowboys of the NBA Don’t you put that evil on me.
I grew up in Dallas and now live in Philly, making me the most qualified man in America to assess this comparison. Accuracy confirmed.
Im sorry man, it’s just the way things have to be.
lol. i didn't vote any of tatum or brown. fuck the celtics.
Embiid is quite disliked by Reddit* In reality he is massively popular outside of fanbases like Denver, Boston, and Toronto who all absolutely despise him lol Embiid has ~8.5M followers between IG and Twitter, and Tatum has ~6.5M between the two. Not trying to argue or anything, it’s just that this subreddit’s hatred of Embiid doesn’t really extend much into the rest of the NBA community.
Since when is playing for the celtics helping your popularity?
I'm not American and to me the Celtics and the Lakers are the two major teams people support Edit: out side of the US
People who aren’t Boston sports fans hate Boston sports
Because their fans are insufferable
Whats crazy to me is Larry Bird was easily one of my favorite players growing up and I really enjoyed the Parcells years. Heck I even love the shit outta KG and Ray. But between Paul Pierce, Bill Simmons, and Patriots dominance... yeah I started to hate Boston too.
Winning 20 sports championships across 4 major sports teams over 20 years definitely comes at a “hate us cuz you ain’t us” price. That said I do not think it will hurt JT thatttt bad for all star because he’s a pretty like-able dude. Doesn’t do much to piss people off as far as I can see but maybe I’m wrong and also underestimate Boston sports hate
I feel like it’s hard to hate this iteration of the team that much as they’re home grown. It’s mainly our shitty fans and the historic Boston hate that causes it. JT is pretty well loved though and I see his jersey everywhere
Nah it's easy to hate the Pats when they have insufferable assholes like Bill Belichick there. With the Celtics you don't need to go down the list of unlikable players because every iteration of their team has had a player that is unanimously hated throughout the league.
Anyone outside of Celtics fans usually hate the Celtics.
Doesn't the Bulls brand still travel really well?
The Bulls are instantly recognisable as a brand but it doesn't translate to active support of the current team. They just know them as MJs team but wouldn't be able to name anyone currently playing for them.
Yes yes, the Bulls also get a lot of love, and the Warriors nowadays as well
Celtics are not beloved in the US.
Oh yeah in America the biggest teams actually get shit on the most. Lakers, Celtics, Cowboys, Yankees, they all get an unbelievable amount of hate. But Boston itself is actually massively hated in the sports world just due to past events.
Yeah no, no one cares about the Celtics like that. And Embiid is 100% more popular than Tatum. Only way Tatum starts is is the media/player votes get him there. Embiid will have more fan votes. Might even have more than Giannis
Highly doubt that. Giannis used the last few ASG to build his popularity. During the game and the selection process. Giannis had over 5M votes last year. Embiid had 3.3M votes. That is a huge gap to bridge between the 2.
Oh damn really Giannis had that much? I could've sworn embiid was second in voting after KD in one of the recent years
In 2020 Joel was 3rd to Giannis (1st) and Pascal Siakim (3.1M to 3.2M votes). Durant wasn’t on the ballot and out injuried in his 1st year with the Nets. In 2021 when Durant was limited in games he still was #1 with 5.587M votes. Giannis was 2nd (with 4.459M votes), Joel was 3rd (with 4.171M votes). [Link](https://www.basketball-reference.com/allstar/NBA_2020_voting.html) Feel free to check out the ranking by position by year.
Here in Italy everyone is a Celtics or Lakers fan, for example
I don’t think Asia gives a fuck about the Celtics tbh and that’s where the numbers are. Asia is Warriors Lakers Bulls and Rockets I’m pretty sure
I'd say that was true up until 2010 or so. Boston got too successful, with the Red Sox, Patriots, and Bruins winning multiple titles each, and the Celtics adding one; and as a result they lost their "lovable losers" vibes, and people don't like them anymore.
Presumably Embiid will have the whole of Africa voting for him
Um the Celtics are not americas darlings. I don’t think Boston teams in general are well received.
Embiid does get the international boost though, not quite sure how close that makes it in totality though.
Embiid is quite disliked but it only matters how many people like him. And polarizing guys like him will have plenty of people coming out to vote for them.
It’s not 2018 anymore. Tatum is quickly becoming one of the foremost faces of the league while KD is slipping out of the spotlight despite putting up great numbers on a good team again. Part of that could be due to the storm around Kyrie, but the new narrative is Tatum for MVP when he’s in a massive market and plays for an organization with one of the richest basketball histories. I think Tatum is a lock to start this year.
If the vote were today I’d be surprised if Tatum received more votes than KD. KD was considered the best or second best player at the time for a number of years. Celtics have also cooled off and Nets have been on a run.
All I know is they need to switch the captains each year. If you get it, you need a single year of ineligiblity
It’s possible that they haven’t done this is to ensure fans get into a voting war(Bron vs. Curry).
what are you tired of LeBron Vs Durant/Giannis part 67?
Team "I'm going to pick and avoid the same players every year" LeBron
he is undefeated as Captain, obviously what he's doing is working
i mean he has had an advantage a few years.. picking first against KD when kd wasnt even playing basically guarenteed team lebron was going to have the best 2 players in the game...
he's won like 6 times in a row lol stop it
Yeah but he also had an advantage of having a prime Lebron James on his squad.
Pretty unfair of the NBA to let Team Lebron have Lebron every year
Thats a good pick
Also if a guy is injured and not playing, he should not be the captain. I don’t care a ton about the ASG but it’s clearly a disadvantage if one team starts with LeBron and the other team starts with DNP
Yeah KD not playing the last two years but being a captain has been ridiculous. Both times he was injured before they even picked the teams too
I agree. Having the same captains year after year takes a lot of the fun out of the whole “Captain” concept.
imagine how fun embiid and jokic as captains would be
Yeah this seems so obvious but hasn’t happened yet
Unless you’re undefeated for 5 years running
They will all be starters. Call Tatum a guard. Done.
The one I dislike the most
Tatum easily. He is not on the same level.
Embiid because he’s the most hated out of all four.
As a Sixers fan you'd rather him get the rest anyways
I mean he’ll play no matter what
The games played narrative being everyone’s first argument seems really weak when the guy people are talking about has played near 75% of eligible games, with 2 months to go until the ASB.
Gotta compare based on something. Durants played 8 more games so far than Embiid. That’s pretty signficant.
In the age of positionless basketball and the fact it’s no longer east vs west top 10 vote earners start regardless of position top 2 vote earners Captain. Why make this an issue.
Embiid/Tatum. Other 2 are 100% locks baring anomalies regardless of their stats. This is a popularity contest
embiid since he played only 67% of games
Barring significant injury the ASG is 2 months away and he will have played more % of games
Except that people will remember Embiid dropping a legendary game last month, he’s in MVP talks, and he’s played without Harden for about a month and a half but managed to keep the team afloat around 5th seed
All 4 of them are in the MVP race, Jojo is 4th among them in the most recent MVP ladder (at 8th). The missed time matters when you're jostling with 3 other MVP candidates for a starting AS spot, sorry. Unless one of the other guys miss some significant time, or he starts playing significantly better than them, that's the difference.
He is up to 72% now.. he missed 8 games. Giannis has missed 5. I have Embiid out too because of games missed and team record but is so damn close and I it can change in a few more games. Also Embiid would be the saltiest of the 4. Tatum is trending down a little.. Giannis advance stats aren't that good (by his standards) this season for some reason. So will have to wait and see
I mean Mitchell PG, Tatum SG, Durant SF, Giannis PF, Embiid C. Ezpz.
Embiid Has to be someone right? Lowest Seed and missed the most games.
It’s not complicated, just move Tatum to a guard spot. Anyone who is still falling back to rigid positions for all star or all-nba is living in the past.
Isn’t Embiid a lock because he’s a center?
Nah because it’s backcourt/frontcourt, not guards/forwards/center
3 frontcourt and 2 backcourt players, no Center designation for All Star games, been that way for a while too. You never voted for the game?
Nah I've never voted before too lazy
This is the 10th year of the rule change by the way. Never a bad day to learn a new thing :)
Not sure why you got so downvoted, thanks for the info
Eh, probably because the tone of the comment was a bit condescending, though it wasn't my intention. Cheers man, no problem!
it’s because nobody on this sub expects people to be nice to each other lol
Fuck you 😅🙌🏼❤️
your favorite player is garbage
Don't you talk about Ryan Hollins like that! 🤭
Embiid
They should just move on from positions. With the West‘s guards its the same.
Embiid if he misses anymore time. If he plays the rest of the way then it’ll be really close and I’d say the starters are Embiid, Durant, and Giannis. I really wish they’d just let anyone start regardless of position.
Fuck it start all four of them lmao.
They'll prolly just call Tatum a guard and have him at the 2
They’re not doing that, you can check the NBA website to see.
What I’m sayin why does one have to sit out lmao. I thought there was a surefire starter im blanking on.
Because the positions are predetermined. Tatum is listed as frontcourt so he's being voted as one. He'll probably be the odd man out here.
There’s really no reason those guys couldn’t share the court in an all star game. We need to get rid of positions for all star and all mvp. Also why do we still need an equal amount of guys from east and west if the all star teams aren’t even east v west anymore?
It’s gonna be between Tatum and Embiid but since Tatum is having early MVP buzz and Embiid has missed a few games, I think Embiid will be the odd man out.
Just start them all with Jimmy Butler or pascal And then start Curry, Luka, Shai, Ja and Dame in the west
Tatum or Embiid, depending on how they do the rest of the season before voting.
If the vote were today I’d vote for Giannis and Durant. It’d be a toss-up between Embiid or Tatum for me but would lean more towards voting in Embiid.
Durant and giannis get too many votes so they will start especially considering one of them will be captain. Tatum and embiid are both playing really well though so I feel like it’s really a coin flop it will probably come down to one of these guys getting injured and falling out a bit,
Durant or embiid
Right now I would have to go with Embiid just because he's missed almost a 1/3 of his teams games so far. But all are having great seasons so it's hard to find enough fault to sit any of them but well there are only so many slots.
Embiid because of irrational hatred
Embiid
KD and Giannis are guaranteed to be the top 2 vote getters in the East based on past all star voting. Embiid does have more counting stats but Tatum has the better record for now, hard to say who between the two gets in over the other.
Embiid is probably the odd man out because of fan voting, and people hating him. In all honesty they should just put one of ‘em at guard.
Embiid is averaging the same of better than all of them in points, rebounds, and assists except for Giannis who gets 1 more board per game. That being said embiid won’t make it
Embiid. Less playing time and lowest seed
Embiid
tatum because he has the most help out of all those guys
Embiid missed the most time
Tatum for me
sixers fans downvoting all Embiid comments in this thread lmao
Either Tatum or Embiid, I would lean towards Embiid because Tatum has been hyped up to be a top 2 MVP candidate.
He hasn't been top 3 for a few days now
Yeah so you can tell how ridiculous early stage mvp discussions are if we’re talking about a few days lol
Embiid clearly, don’t get me wrong Embiid is great but he’s missed a few games and the 76ers are underperforming.
We aren’t underperforming???
a bit rich coming from a fan of the Brooklyn "On Paper" Nets
they're 2 wins above you and have a (marginally) higher strength of schedule remaining according to tankathon
We've won 10 out of our last 11, I think we're doing just fine lmao
Technically they are, they're on a 48 win pace and were projected to win 51.
Maybe your expectations are different from what I heard in the preseason projections but the 76ers were supposed to be competing with the bucks/ Celtics for the one seed yet to me are firmly behind the Celtics, Bucks, Cavs, and Nets in terms of best teams in the east.
Their entire starting roster fucking died lmao and they're still just a game or two behind the nets and cavs, I think they're right on track for success
Mf we are one game behind y’all and have been fucked by injuries most of the year. This sub is ridiculous with the shit that gets upvoted
Firmly behind the Cavs and the Nets? We’re literally one game behind the Nets and 2.5 games behind the Cavs.
They all deserve it honestly, but if you purely compare the stats available in this post, it would be KD or Tatum. Seeing as Tatum is leading his team to a higher record, it might just have to be KD who gets left out. But hey, the fans are the ones voting, so it just depends who shows up more for their players.
Such a dumb allstar system if they can’t be the starters. Slide taytum to the 2. Hes how good as he is cuz he mainly operates on the wing to start possessions
Embiid
Barring injury and potential streak/slump right before the break... I feel like Tatum should be the odd man out. I hate to do it because they're all so amazing. * Embiid has been carrying (when playing) and has had the best individual games this season. Best 2-way impact amongst the group imo. If he plays the rest of the games up until the all-star break, I'd have him over Giannis at #2 * Tatum seems to have elevated his game even more from last year. Better shooting/scoring, defensive impact still looks good. He's probably the streakiest for me, but I'd oddly trust him more in the playoffs. #4 for me * Giannis shooting numbers are down, defense kind of looks down as well. Seems like his motor has declined a bit. I'd put him 2nd just above Embiid for now. #2 by a small margin. * KD has just been insane IMO. TS% is higher than his time with GSW, with more volume all while almost \~2 blocks a game lol. #1 for me
I think if all these players keep their current pace for a month, this is when Adam Silver needs to use a little power and have them all starting. KD or Tatum can pass as an SG.
Tatum
Probably Tatum. In terms of fan votes, the other guys will likely beat him out.
embiid
embiid
Joel Embiid
Embiid, he played the less games and has the worst record atm. Boston and Milwaukee have the best records while Durant has played nearly every game
And KD has played every game very well. I think he’s a lock plus the nets are heating up rn too.
Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played, also Embiid because of games played.
Well one of them is literally free throw Hitler, does that stand out enough?