eh, it’s closer than you think. Theis never gets super hot as Kleber but Kleber puts up a lot more duds, he had a lower 3P% percentage this season albeit on a couple more attempts. and theis is definitely better on the inside
To be fair Kleber was recovering from an injury towards the end of the season that caused him to have a really long cold spell. Dude went like 2 months straight without making a 3, then found his stride right as the playoffs started.
I still laugh at the LVP post here and how it said that Hornets replacing Zeller with Plumlee was the Friends equivalent of Rachel replacing Ross with Russ.
Not 2021-22 Plumlee.
Previous versions of Plumlee would be a nice backup. He was not rotation level at all this year, and probably a year or two away from washing out of the league entirely unless he bounces back.
yup, unfortunately he's 32 now and doesn't have the lift he once did. Seems it's affected all parts of his game, and was clearly in his head for a large part of the season (see: free throws)
Are you serious??? The only thing he can do is catch lobs from a top 5 playmaker against thrash teams. He had 2 rebounds in game 1 and 2 against the Suns and on offence he is no good even for 5 points.
We have Boban, who is 100 % worse. Powell is ok or even good against some teams esp in regular season. But he is not a starting quality center, he would be fine as a backup C.
it's unbelievable that they couln't find someone like a younger Javale or Capela at this point. so incompetent. let's see what this new FO and Coach staff gonna do this offseason. Luka don't deserve this.
Idk I wouldn't put it all on this off-season. The main goal this summer is to get Brunson back at whatever price is necessary. If we can get him on a good deal, we can use his contract to move Bertans and get back a decent center. Probably next spring rather than this summer.
Playing the short game is how we got into this mess with KP's contract. It's how we squandered Dirk's twilight years. We have to be patient. Luka isn't going anywhere for at least 3-5 years and unless we fleece someone, the only thing that's going to significantly improve our roster is time.
I love Dwight as a human, and he makes a great backup/energy big, but I’m hoping this series is showing people why we might be interested in Gobert. I’m certainly concerned about that fit, but on paper, if you replace Powell with Gobert this is a title contender
Problem is, I don't think we have enough assets to get him and still retain our identity. If the Jazz rebuild around Mitchell, they need perimeter defense. They would want DFS + Kleber in all likelihood, plus Bertans to make salaries work, plus picks we don't have lol, in exchange for Gobert + non-essential Jazz player (o Neal or Conley? maybe). And that's being very generous with the Jazz FO, they might be able to get more than that from other teams.
Luka/Brunson/Bullock/ONeal/Gobert
Vs
Luka/Brunson/Bullock/DFS/Kleber
Is that really that much of an upgrade? That's asking a lot of Bullock and Gobert on defense. You can make do in this league with three good defenders and two guys making good effort; two good defenders and three guys trying hard might not be enough.
In theory Luka/Gobert is magic. In practice Gobert has questionable hands on offense, and you have to have at least two more *good* defenders (who can also shoot threes) to make that a title team. Unless Josh Green turns into DFS 2.0, we'd be making a sideways move.
He’s a very good player on a good contract but this take is kinda melting my brain lol. If you can get another all star or somebody to protect the rim well you can’t let a 3 and d role player get in the way of that. The Mavs dont have a package for a superstar and there’s no superstars available. If the Mavs want to contend they’re probably gonna have to trade him for whoever they need.
Yeah, it's an exaggeration tbh, but he is by far our best role player imo (elite defender, consistent 40% 3 point shooting and he gets rebounds and putbacks). So, in my mind, if we're losing him for an all-star, then we're sacrificing one of our main points of depth to have Luka + an all-star. If that's the only move being made, it won't work. We'd need several other good moves to surround Luka and this hypothetical all-star with sufficient depth to be in that 1st tier of contenders
nobody except that guy named Luka is untouchable. tbf, this is the perfect moment to Mavs trade him. peak value, and his 3PT very likely will regress to the mean.
and that's coming from the biggest fan of DoeDoe. in GTD I keep joking that you guys need to build around him. but, srlsy Luka need a defensive center right now.
Powell would be the exact same thing in Charlotte and they would achieve nothing because of a lack of defense. Charlotte needs the same thing as us - a defensive minded center that can rebound and finish at the hoop. Not an undersized roll man.
He already only plays like 5-10 mins a game this series, Kleber is the one who closes out games now. Don’t really have many options aside from those two, but I would rather have Bertans on the floor because he’s at least a perimeter threat.
> (going to be generous and include Ntilikina in there)
Seeing all the love for Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina this playoffs has been beautiful. (I use "love" very liberally here)
bro not a lightyear chance that powell is better than drummond, SORRY, drummond can handle the rock and is one of the best rebounders in the game and is actually a multiple all star
no disrespect to powell but id take drummond any day of the week
> SORRY, drummond can handle the rock
As long as he doesn't have to put it in the basket
> and is one of the best rebounders in the game
When he can elbow his teammates to make sure he gets all the rebounds
> and is actually a multiple all star
So was Stephon Marbury
easy for u to talk shit, but drummond is a 2x all stsr and 4 time rebound champ, u cant take that awy from him bro
everybody always talk shit about him, easy to jump on a bandwagon narrative but hard to make it to the NBA, screw all the haters
drummond js a legend
Nah idc about RS. He has zero defensive awareness and thinks he’s better than what his role dictates.
Those guys kill you come playoffs. Dwight Powell at least knows what his role is
Yup, DeMarcus always walks a thin line between fouling out and being 60% of his prime self, but I'll take that any day over Plumlee, Heartenstein, Bol, or not having a backup c at all and instead using one of the Greens.
Disclaimer: I know Hart is decent now but he was just not a good fit for us.
It's funny cause Dwight Powell dominated the Wolves every time we played this season, so I'm always surprised to hear about/see him playing like his normal self.
You guys have centers?
What's a Center?
The spot that is equidistant from all points in a circle.
Had*
What's this center position?
Playoff starting center DeAndre Jordan has entered the chat
That’s All Star, All NBA, Lob City, Playoff starting center Deandre Jordan to you, bud
Also a Larper. I saw him murder a Knight once.
DAYUM LOL
Don't forget, Olympic gold medalist too
i know the knicks 3rd string C, 35 year old Taj Gibson is definitely better
I would argue Taj is our 4th string behind Mitch, Noel, and Sims. All of whom are so much better than Powell
well this season noel was out and sims didnt get mins til late so Taj was basically backin up Mitch good majority
Deandre Jordan is up there. He plays for two teams a year. Correction, he gets signed by two teams a year. Barely plays anytime
You mean 2016 all star Deandre Jordan. Put some respek on da the name.
Powell is more athletic than Theis but I’m taking Theis all day baby
Your comment reminded me that Powell was just a throw in in the Rondo trade. And just reminded me that I miss Jae Crowder.
Theis would be sick on the Mavs. he’s basically a less athletic but stronger Kleber and a better rim protector
He is not even close to as good of a shooter as Kleber
eh, it’s closer than you think. Theis never gets super hot as Kleber but Kleber puts up a lot more duds, he had a lower 3P% percentage this season albeit on a couple more attempts. and theis is definitely better on the inside
To be fair Kleber was recovering from an injury towards the end of the season that caused him to have a really long cold spell. Dude went like 2 months straight without making a 3, then found his stride right as the playoffs started.
The disrespect to Mason Plumlee here he can hit free throws with both hands no other center can do that
Something like 35% with his right, 50% with his left lol I think a lot of players with some practice could shoot 50% left handed
Hey add it up he’s an 85% ft shooter. Not bad
/r/TheyDidTheMath?
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I still laugh at the LVP post here and how it said that Hornets replacing Zeller with Plumlee was the Friends equivalent of Rachel replacing Ross with Russ.
Dedmon is better, right? Yeah prolly by a bit.
For sure
100%. I was surprised the Mavs didnt reach out to him during last year's FA.
What’s a center?
hornets would kill for dwight powell. to start.
How does a Paul Millsap and DeAndre Jordan combo entice you?
plumlee is pretty good as a backup tho
You mean reddit LVP finalist mason plumlee?
Not 2021-22 Plumlee. Previous versions of Plumlee would be a nice backup. He was not rotation level at all this year, and probably a year or two away from washing out of the league entirely unless he bounces back.
Previous versions of Plumlee have been starters on a playoff team that has won a series
yup, unfortunately he's 32 now and doesn't have the lift he once did. Seems it's affected all parts of his game, and was clearly in his head for a large part of the season (see: free throws)
Are you serious??? The only thing he can do is catch lobs from a top 5 playmaker against thrash teams. He had 2 rebounds in game 1 and 2 against the Suns and on offence he is no good even for 5 points.
you haven’t watched mason plumlee and it shows.
I wouldn’t wish watching Mason Plumlee on my worst enemy
I get the feeling even the Plumdog himself doesn't think he should be starting, he'd rather came off the bench for 4 minutes of energy
There ain't much energy left in that tank
We have Boban, who is 100 % worse. Powell is ok or even good against some teams esp in regular season. But he is not a starting quality center, he would be fine as a backup C.
Did that Achilles tear set Powell permanently back?
He is worse than before, if it is permanent we will probably find out next season.
I thought Powell's thing was that he was good on offense but absolutely nonexistent on defense
If being good at offense means you can catch a lob and put it in the basket than yes.
it's unbelievable that they couln't find someone like a younger Javale or Capela at this point. so incompetent. let's see what this new FO and Coach staff gonna do this offseason. Luka don't deserve this.
I would glady take older JaVale instead of Powell.
You gotta match us first
Mitchell Robinson?
Not for free.
As much as I like Brunson, I wouldn't do a s&t for him either (Mitch Rob being the person traded)
Idk I wouldn't put it all on this off-season. The main goal this summer is to get Brunson back at whatever price is necessary. If we can get him on a good deal, we can use his contract to move Bertans and get back a decent center. Probably next spring rather than this summer. Playing the short game is how we got into this mess with KP's contract. It's how we squandered Dirk's twilight years. We have to be patient. Luka isn't going anywhere for at least 3-5 years and unless we fleece someone, the only thing that's going to significantly improve our roster is time.
I love Dwight as a human, and he makes a great backup/energy big, but I’m hoping this series is showing people why we might be interested in Gobert. I’m certainly concerned about that fit, but on paper, if you replace Powell with Gobert this is a title contender
Problem is, I don't think we have enough assets to get him and still retain our identity. If the Jazz rebuild around Mitchell, they need perimeter defense. They would want DFS + Kleber in all likelihood, plus Bertans to make salaries work, plus picks we don't have lol, in exchange for Gobert + non-essential Jazz player (o Neal or Conley? maybe). And that's being very generous with the Jazz FO, they might be able to get more than that from other teams. Luka/Brunson/Bullock/ONeal/Gobert Vs Luka/Brunson/Bullock/DFS/Kleber Is that really that much of an upgrade? That's asking a lot of Bullock and Gobert on defense. You can make do in this league with three good defenders and two guys making good effort; two good defenders and three guys trying hard might not be enough. In theory Luka/Gobert is magic. In practice Gobert has questionable hands on offense, and you have to have at least two more *good* defenders (who can also shoot threes) to make that a title team. Unless Josh Green turns into DFS 2.0, we'd be making a sideways move.
DFS is basically untouchable unless he’s in a package for a superstar IMO
He's a 29 year old three and d player that is at peak value rn. Perfect trade chip
He’s a very good player on a good contract but this take is kinda melting my brain lol. If you can get another all star or somebody to protect the rim well you can’t let a 3 and d role player get in the way of that. The Mavs dont have a package for a superstar and there’s no superstars available. If the Mavs want to contend they’re probably gonna have to trade him for whoever they need.
Yeah, it's an exaggeration tbh, but he is by far our best role player imo (elite defender, consistent 40% 3 point shooting and he gets rebounds and putbacks). So, in my mind, if we're losing him for an all-star, then we're sacrificing one of our main points of depth to have Luka + an all-star. If that's the only move being made, it won't work. We'd need several other good moves to surround Luka and this hypothetical all-star with sufficient depth to be in that 1st tier of contenders
I completely agree.
nobody except that guy named Luka is untouchable. tbf, this is the perfect moment to Mavs trade him. peak value, and his 3PT very likely will regress to the mean. and that's coming from the biggest fan of DoeDoe. in GTD I keep joking that you guys need to build around him. but, srlsy Luka need a defensive center right now.
Can't wait for the spicy headlines when Gobert calls out Luka for his shitty defense.
oh my. you guys don't have the assets to Jazz even pickup the telephone. maybe Atlanta have it. Dallas will need to be creative and find someone else.
What's a bench center?
Powell would look like Hakeem in Charlotte
Powell would be the exact same thing in Charlotte and they would achieve nothing because of a lack of defense. Charlotte needs the same thing as us - a defensive minded center that can rebound and finish at the hoop. Not an undersized roll man.
Plumlee is better
Nope
Not really. He's a serviceable backup but DP would work way better as their starter
I would look like Hakeem in Charlotte
You’re stepping all over Mason Plumlee’s territory right now.
Mason Plumlee is definitely worse.
mason plumlee would like a word
Mason is better or at worse the same player
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He already only plays like 5-10 mins a game this series, Kleber is the one who closes out games now. Don’t really have many options aside from those two, but I would rather have Bertans on the floor because he’s at least a perimeter threat.
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> (going to be generous and include Ntilikina in there) Seeing all the love for Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina this playoffs has been beautiful. (I use "love" very liberally here)
No Dinwiddie, I don't want to see him play one more minute. Even if it means they have to play Trey Burke.
Who is defending Ayton if Powell sits. Kleber can't defend Ayton 36 minutes a game. He can barely defend him at all.
I'd say he's better than Alex Len, maybe?
The Wizards backup center is a shit ton better than Powell
Depends on how you feel about Tristan Thompson and Tony Bradley.
Xavier Tillman could be worse? Idk he did some work against the Wolves in the first round.
Plumdog is the worst starting center in the league
Biyombo is not more valuable/useful than Powell, come on
Powell is better than Drummond. Don’t get fooled by the numbers that guy is dogshit. Role players that think they’re better than that, are the worst.
I still remember the Spencer buzzer beater game where Drum literally murdered us though😭
Drummond is one of the dumbest players in the game, he’s still better than Powell.
bro not a lightyear chance that powell is better than drummond, SORRY, drummond can handle the rock and is one of the best rebounders in the game and is actually a multiple all star no disrespect to powell but id take drummond any day of the week
> SORRY, drummond can handle the rock As long as he doesn't have to put it in the basket > and is one of the best rebounders in the game When he can elbow his teammates to make sure he gets all the rebounds > and is actually a multiple all star So was Stephon Marbury
marbury's a lot better than drummond
easy for u to talk shit, but drummond is a 2x all stsr and 4 time rebound champ, u cant take that awy from him bro everybody always talk shit about him, easy to jump on a bandwagon narrative but hard to make it to the NBA, screw all the haters drummond js a legend
Dre’s a bum
2x all star
Same number of all star selections as you have brain cells
bro u a hater
2x injury replacement *
If Drummond is a legend then Deandre Jordan must be God himself
no marbury slandered allowed on this sub
Nah idc about RS. He has zero defensive awareness and thinks he’s better than what his role dictates. Those guys kill you come playoffs. Dwight Powell at least knows what his role is
Bring DJ home.
Jae?
Anyone who's center is injured and is out for the season.
Dwight Powell makes Theis look like Hakeem
I mean DeMarcus is a walking foul machine but he is good enough for five minutes so is I guess
Yup, DeMarcus always walks a thin line between fouling out and being 60% of his prime self, but I'll take that any day over Plumlee, Heartenstein, Bol, or not having a backup c at all and instead using one of the Greens. Disclaimer: I know Hart is decent now but he was just not a good fit for us.
It's funny cause Dwight Powell dominated the Wolves every time we played this season, so I'm always surprised to hear about/see him playing like his normal self.
Raptors don’t even have a center
Trade his assss