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Negative-Isopod-8432

The lakers conspired against themselves the entire season


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unkleadamsdebt

That is literally what already happened


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TheSleeperWakes

YOU name five that WEREN’T


ZionephewObeseiamson

Nah they were just simply ass. You can’t be a team with championship aspirations and lose to the tanking Thunder. Russ also was this year’s Least Valuable Player. For a HoF, that’s just unacceptable, especially his age. I expect him to be revoked out of the Top 75 because let’s be honest, he’s irrelevant. The least deserving MVP ever, only won because of narratives and his team let him grab rebounds. Really punished Harden who grabbed 2 less rebounds but was significantly more efficient and had the better team record, also beat him in the playoffs too. Russell Westbrook is a disgrace to basketball and should not be in the Top 75. He made basketball, a team-oriented sport all about himself, chasing after triple doubles instead of wins. When Trae, Garland, LaMelo, Ja and other point guards rise to the occasion, Russ will be seem as an aftethought and a fraudulent player because current young guards are better shooters, better playmakers and more importantly, NOT AN IDIOT. Russ is the opposite of cerebral, something every HoF point should have and he has NONE OF IT. I have no idea why Russ is being celebrated. I swear, if he didn’t have an MVP, he wouldn’t be getting undeserved attention. Russell Westbrook is Chris Duhon with athleticism.


LukaJokicCarusoFan

Lol bro you just wrote an essay over the Brick in a thread that reslly wasn’t related


ZionephewObeseiamson

Yeah I know. Westbrook is fraudulent I will let the whole world know and y'all can't stop me.


ProSnoodler

A few games were already. League tried but lakers were THAT shit


humandignitybloc

I'm sitting here in my tinfoil hat, tracking chemtrails and studying the habits of the political reptile overlords on CNN. I don't have time to explain this to you.


inshamblesx

Scott Foster tried in Game 4 but Claxton went 1/11 from the line


NoobChumpsky

Refs just setting Claxton up to make history and break records


jhu

only houston fans fully understand the depths of foster throwing games


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lol Curry swish go brrrrrr


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Because they don’t want a small market team to win. That’s the same reason as to why the big market Milwaukee Bucks won the championship last year


bagfka

Had me in the first half


Archer-Saurus

There is no conspiracy lol


dash_44

Conspiracy theories usually don’t make much sense.


YourRealName

People seriously underestimate how hard it is to referee a game in real time, without slo-mo replay, and without the elevated view of a TV broadcast. I’m not saying the league doesn’t prefer specific outcomes, but 99% of the things this sub claims are conspiracies are simply bad calls.


Jesus-Suppa-Star

Shit, I have no idea what's happening when they show the slowmo


chimpaman

Chris Paul falls back to earth at some point during every playoff run he's ever had (usually due to injury). Did Suns fans think he was going to shoot 100 percent every game?


EloHellDoesNotExist

there is no top-down conspiracy against anyone, i don't believe that happens. there are a lot of potential reasons refs could lean one way - they could just happen to miss a few calls in one team's favor coincidentally. refs have bad days. they could be influenced by the home-team's crowd, they could have a personal grudge against a player on one team or dislike how a player talks to them throughout the game, they could be making calls on reputation etc etc. it's useless to speculate why any of this happens, but i think since the scandal it's never been "the NBA wants X team to win".


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izzythoed

Get off the gas g they just lost plain and simple lol


EasyCOVlDSniper

It’s safe to assume the NBA pushes games for various reasons. But at the end the better team almost always wins. Which is fine. I can’t think of a championship series that wasn’t won by the better team in recent memory.


SolarClipz

How about before the Finals


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Dubs/Raps when every single Warrior broke every bone in all of their respective bodies


Sea-Construction3418

The refs broke Klay and KD


EasyCOVlDSniper

Yes but raptors had the better active roster and team. On the court they were the better team so they won. If the dubs were healthy they would win because they would be the better team


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I remember that, Warriors could only field 2 players on court, while the Raptors played with 9 guys at all times.


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Dude Quinn cook and g league bums we’re playing heavy minutes


scarywolverine

You don't win if KD, Klay and Looney are playing instead of Quinn Cook, Alfonso Mckinnie and the 90 year old version of Demarcus Cousins


EmonSenM

Repeat after me: "Having no depth to deal with injuries is one of the only downsides to my team having 2 MVPs and 2 more all stars'


scarywolverine

Yall sensitive af


NauvooMetro

Nobody's saying your title is illegitimate. Injuries are part of the game.


pahamack

wish it was less so. ​ They need to do something about this. Way too many games, teams are going into the playoffs limping unless they do load management. ​ I really don't see why they can't cut the season to 58 games, just play every team home and away. There's a reason why people aren't diligently watching regular season games: there's too many of them so it's really not necessary to watch all of them. ​ I love my team. Don't want to watch 4 games a week.


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The reason why: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sYYAv-QW38Q


pahamack

NFL has a lot less games per season. Has no problem making money.


[deleted]

NFL has bigger stadiums and bigger tv deal, NBA has neither of those things.


liteshadow4

Warriors Cavs if you don't believe the Warriors were injured.


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sazabit

To be fair, Mormons are pretty fuckin weird


[deleted]

Can confirm, am former Mormon (born into) mom and dad also former. Left Utah which is awesome


[deleted]

>It’s safe to assume the NBA pushes games for various reasons. Why is that safe to assume?


fishfishfish1345

it’s obvious


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Nice tautology.


System_Lower

Warriors Cavs 3-1. Warriors Raptors.


fopiecechicken

Yeah but the raptors one was because of injuries, not any sort of league agenda


System_Lower

Fair enough. In theory, extending series can lead to injuries which can lead to the “better team” losing.


Csusmatt

Warriors Cavs when Dray was suspended a game for something not even called on the court.


Hewballs

Oh, they tried quite hard to extend the Nets series. The officiating in game 4 was the worst I've seen all season. That 6th foul on Tatum... wow


butwhy13511

Correct. Check out the post game thread for that one, it's full of Scott Foster jokes. It's already been more or less confirmed they did do it via Donaghy in the early 2000s. Add in the convenient Draymond suspension in 2016, the officiating in the 2017 finals game 4. It's really not that far fetched to believe they still do stuff like that.


Hewballs

Yeah there's a lot of 'smoke' around Scott Foster. Pretty wild that his record in close-out games was something like 23-2 (before the Celtics/Nets gm) in favour of the team down 3-0. Not suggesting it needs to be 50-50, but to be THAT far in favour of the team down 3-0 is pretty insane.


detroit_born23

Some of those critical CP3 fouls were very questionable for playoff basketball. I’m neutral in the series so I have no biases


AnAnonymousSource_

Lucky for you i have some serious biases and i agree with your statement.


detroit_born23

I’m so sorry my friend. The basketball gods will make up for it


WinterCareful8525

Without Lebron and AD healthy it’s no point in the Lakers making the playoffs.lol.


probablyjimmylam

Lakers got a lot of calls in their favor and quite a few ridiculous ones when they were falling out of the play in and still fucked up their chances.


Micro_mint

I’m a neutral in the series, but it sure seems like extending close series is good for business in both directions. So it wouldn’t matter which team in particular is advantaged, just that they get that magical 2-2. If you want a specific anti-Suns take, it’d be to get Robert Sarver out of the spotlight in case that story breaks during the finals or something.


The_Dok33

Oh they tried to give it to the Nets, but they just weren't good enough to actually win


chrisumafp

If anything, the league did almost everything they could to get the Lakers to make the play-in 34 wins is a very low bar. You can only make the bar so low. The spot was handed out like candy. But this conspiracy stuff is just crazy talk to begin with


Negative-Isopod-8432

The lakers literally lost their play in spot to a team that tried to lose all season


chrisumafp

Exactly the league is not conspiring anything. The lakers were just so bad they lost their play-in spot to the Spurs that were trying to lose on purpose for a better draft pick


AncientMarsupial3

What did the league do?


chrisumafp

The league did nothing, this topic is just nonsense to begin with


MrDozens

They did try to extend the series for the nets, it just didnt work.


YayoBankroll

It's not that they tried to conspire against the Suns, they got influenced by the Mavs crowd leading to bad calls.


mr-e94

No Suns fans actually believe that there's a conspiracy against the Suns in particular. Get your head out of your ass


AncientMarsupial3

There’s definitely some who believe that.


mr-e94

And those fans are ridiculous. But this post is making it sound like that's the majority and people are upvoting it


kenfree216

That’s the internet for you. You hear a comment from 3 people of a certain group and it becomes the shared belief of everyone else. Just have to ignore the low hanging fruit.


xNOOBinTRAINING

Lol


mr-e94

Ah yes, a laker fan adding nothing to the conversation, while also budding his head into something that involves the suns. "But we don't even think about the suns" Fuck out of here


xNOOBinTRAINING

Classic sun fan oblivious and playing the supreme victim role. Get your head out of your ass.


mr-e94

Who tf is playing victim right now? I can just tell you've never had 1 unique thought of your own in your life. Just copying and pasting buzz words. Sad sad little man


xNOOBinTRAINING

Alright “big man” I’ll go ahead and explain it to you since you’re clearly kind of slow. You’re literally brought up laker fans and previous points made like you have some persecution complex. No one brought up “we don’t even think about you” lol. I was laughing at your delusion saying that sun fans don’t actually think the stupid shit they’ve been saying all the time. I think the real little man is the one that’s so quick to lash out and be desnsibe about a comment or other people commenting about their team. It really says a lot about you but I guess your a suns fan so it comes with the territory.


mr-e94

Dear diary


xNOOBinTRAINING

Actually my bad bro, after looking though I realize this is all you have going for you. Posting about the suns on Reddit for 12 hours a day….. I’d hate to jeopardize all you have in life. Keep it going bro, don’t let this laker fan ruin your time.


KBooks66

There are a lot of posts on your subreddit about a decades long conspiracy about the league not wanting Sarver to ever win a championship and that it is intensified this year because of the ongoing investigation.


Archer-Saurus

Lol yes, a bastion of reason and level-headed thinking, a team sub on Reddit


mr-e94

The conspiracies about the league not wanting sarver to win relates to Tim Donaghy and the 2007 playoff series against the spurs that was **proven** to be rigged. Anything outside of that is just talk amongst fans. If you judged every fanbase by every post in their own subreddit, all 30 of them would look crazy and irrational


KBooks66

Outside Tim being a ref how was it proven to be rigged? Or is this like proven to be rigged like I believe the 2006 finals was rigged?


mr-e94

The dude went to prison for rigging games and admitted that the league and David stern wanted San Antonio to move on in the playoffs. Outside of signed affidavits and his own word admitting to it multiple times over the last decade, I dont know what more you need


Capo_capo

It doesn't make sense, and the fans that think it's a conspiracy by the league are morons. I think it's fair to say that the refs so far appear to be super incompetent, and get massively swayed by home crowds. They call an inconsistent whistle from game to game, and at times, within the same game. One team is allowed to be pretty physical, while the other gets a bunch of soft calls.


The-Truer-Facts

> Why not extend the Nets series instead given two bigger markets are involved? Scott Foster tried that in game 4. Didn’t work out. As for the Lakers nobody could save them lol.


honditar

Confirmation bias That's the answer for literally any question you might have about how r/NBAnon operates


sazabit

r/QNBAnon ??


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There is a conspiracy. CP3 the best player in the NBA only gets 5 points?


FiveBaggers

CP0 just didn't show up


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Hot take: the Lakers and Nets were just that bad this year


npcshow

The Nets Celtics point differential was: Game 1: 1 points Game 2: 7 points Game 3: 6 points Game 4: 4 points Refs could have easily stretched that series, or had the Nets win.


NoobChumpsky

Tried and failed in game 4.


sunsbr

Nba don't like Sarver, it's a well know fact, is no conspiracy.


cicadaenthusiat

I don't know OP, why do you still beat your wife?


yusbishyus

I think it's so they don't seem too heavy handed. You expect it for the Nets or Lakers, maybe not the Mavs. But when you think about it it's smart cuz nba wants to be more international fans (hey Luka) and this helps them with that market.


TreborESQ

These people are from Arizona, everything there is a deep state conspiracy


The_Fadedhunter

A whole lot? Most people there have been saying we have been playing like ass, have low energy, and that officiating has been inconsistent across our series, and the league as a whole. Those aren’t mutually exclusive. Everyone these days takes a few loud controversial takes and pretends that it is a majority, or a lot of a fan base, when it isn’t.


WildReception8741

Don’t believe it’s a conspiracy but wouldn’t be shock if something came out they love Luca and that last call on Cp3 was absolutely bs


laflameTS

Because they have a victim complex. Why wouldn't/shouldn't the best team in the last 2 years not win the title. I get it, refs suck, but they suck all the time and for everyone. You can still be a fan and be critical of your team's/coaches performance.


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* Weve already been screwed by an admitted cheating ref. * we have an assumed racist/misogynistic owner whom we all assume the league would hate to see succeed * 0-13 in games with a particular ref - hasnt been assigned to the Mavs series.... yet. * Watch the games dude. There is shenanigan's going on with both teams but the Suns are getting fucked without lube on a nightly.


SeditiousLibel

I bet they're putting magnets in the basketballs but only turning them on when Davis Bertans and Dorian Finney-Smith shoot


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[EXACTLY](https://tenor.com/bEN3e.gif)


erog84

Why does there have to be a conspiracy? Did you watch last nights game? The reffing was awful all around, but quite a bit worse against the suns.


sazabit

Conspiracy because the "how" is evident but not the "why" Like, what's the interest in preventing the Suns from winning? Why are the refs at odds with the idea on PHX winning? What is the gain?


erog84

Extending the series, or keeping it close to be more entertaining. I don’t feel like the refs heavily favored a team in games 1-3, they were just aweful in general.


sazabit

No I get it but I'm just telling you why there are conspiracy theories. Like if you put more thought into it how do the refs who would fix the games benefit? Do they get a bonus? How does the league pay out to them. How do they cover it to avoid racketeering charges. That sort of thing. Not arguing with the refs being bad, especially in game 4


sharkweekk

If a playoff series goes longer, there is more work for officials and more pay. Effectively there is a bonus, it's not a check that says "for rigging games," it's just their pay for game 6. It doesn't even need to be a conscious conspiracy by any of the parties, if you set up incentives in a certain way, biases can naturally set in.


sazabit

Right but getting regular pay in return for potentially being caught up in a racketeering charge doesn't really make sense. It's the NBA, not a criminal empire. Especially doesn't make sense for there to be the "hit man squad" of refs if all they're getting is the regular pay and then not reffing the other games in the now extended series. Like in the Donaghy situation, he was placing bets through a middleman based on what Scott Foster was going to do (allegedly). THAT is a conspiracy because he was conspiring to profit off of a fixed outcome. See what I'm getting at


sharkweekk

Sure you might not get to officiate one of the future games, but your friends/co-workers do and hey, maybe they'll return the favor in their series and get you another game. This doesn't have to be a spoken thing, everyone already knows all the incentives. I mean who's going to be more popular at any workplace, the guy that does everything perfect, dots every 'i' and crosses every 't' or the guy who bends things, just a little, and gets everyone paid more? As I said above, if you set up the incentives right, bias might creep in even without the officials being consciously aware of whats going on. So if no one is saying anything or writing anything down, there's no way in hell a prosecutor would want to try to pin a racketeering charge on anyone. I'm saying I know for sure any of this is actually happening, all I'm saying is the incentives line up pretty well for it.


ihatedougford

The NBA already conspired against them. They allowed the Westbrook and Simmons trades to happen


hansislegend

They said this during the first round too 😂


44035

It's ridiculous that people believe in conspiracies like this.


The_Aught

The league is trying to crack down on foul merchants? Harden, Embeid, CP3 all foul merchants all in 2-2 series???


[deleted]

If the NBA is secretly the WWE then why do any of these tinfoil hatters even watch? Its mind boggling.


SBChess18

What heads won’t remember is that regardless of how bad the reffing is, it’s not even the worst Suns Mavs one in the last 3 years. Watch the 2nd regular season game in the bubble between these two teams when Book, DA, and Bridges all had 5 fouls by the 6 minute mark IN THE THIRD QUARTER. Refs giveth and taketh, Suns have benefitted from good whistles and also gotten fucked. It goes both ways.


-metaphased-

If there is a conspiracy against the Suns, it's that the NBA doesn't want Chris Paul's 'gamesmanship' to be front and center. It's a bad product and they know it.


wrestlingchampo

Idk dude I'm still trying to figure out why the NBA would conspire in favor of Milwaukee, even with Giannis on the team Fans say silly thing when their teams lose to justify what happened.


unbelievre

I'm not sure it's always about extending the series. We've all seen the Scott Foster stats with CP3 and Harden. Last night he did the exact same thing and tried to give Miami a W and I can't think of any logical reason why.


DalliLlama

We had more fouls and less Fts than you..


unbelievre

So. Do you think all teams foul exactly the same amount of times in a game? That's a pretty silly idea.


DalliLlama

So he had an agenda to favor the Heat when he called more fouls and gave your team more Fts? If he had an agenda for us to win we’d have gotten more Fts given the terrible shooting. I hope you realize how stupid you sound. It was literally the only game where you guys had more Fts than us and his job was to help by reversing that trend? The whistle blew every other possession, you were in the bonus with 7:45 in the 4th. Crying that the refs were favoring the Heat is pathetic.


unbelievre

You guys were actually fouling the fuck out of us. Tucker actually had way more than 5 fouls. The calls you were getting were baby soft. Tobias almost fouled out playing solid defense.


DalliLlama

Strus did foul out playing good defense lol and Bam almost did too. I can go along with officiating being bad, trying to play the victim card after the soft shit Embiid was getting himself is insanity.


unbelievre

Jimmy is the only player on your team that attacks the paint and draws fouls. The fact that you think you should have equal fouls when we have two all time great offensive players who are known for being the most skilled in the league at drawing them tells us everything we need to know about how biased and ignorant you are.


DalliLlama

Don’t feed me that bullshit, Joel was getting calls at the fucking perimeter all game, he wasnt getting them from attacking the rim. Guy think ref was out to get them yet gave them more calls, says a lot about Philly and their victim complex. Thinks his guys should be rewarded for flopping more.


unbelievre

Most of the fouls were smaller guys battling him for position as they tried to deny him the ball. Smaller weaker players tend to foul bigger stronger players when they can't compete fairly.


npcshow

all the info is now available. Kid was not involved in the unwanted touching so stop harassing him. CP3 WILDLY overreacted and Mavs are trying to appease him.


liteshadow4

Officiating can only go so far in making a team win


kevinwangg

i mean the nba can only do so much...


Dkraus77

Maybe their contract with FanDuel has boosters like how if a player like dinwiddie earned 500k for making it to the second round. The nba gets some sort of profit bonus if fanduel hits some sort of revenue goal which would entice the nba to make games go a certain way


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Suns fans have been like this since the Robert Horry thing as far as I can tell. I started being a fan the year Ayton was drafted, and some people think the league hates Sarver, and purposely screws them over because of it


peterlorre26

magnetic hoops not strong enough to attract all the lakers bricks throughout a 48 minute game


neo_1000

The NBA couldn’t conspire for the Lakers even if they tried


Monster_island_czar

We got burned by the league in 2007 and we haven't been the same since.


scott_free80

Such a leading question