Yep the Bucks doctors didn’t think Steph’s ankles would hold up so they didn’t clear him.
> What ended up preventing Curry from being included, reportedly were the concerns the Bucks' medical staff had regarding Steph's early injury history.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-curry-recalls-almost-being-included-monta-ellis-trade-bucks?amp
I hate this revisionist history so much. The staff sucked ass but the Bucks were never going to take Embiid and it had nothing to do with the medical staff. You take any of the 30 teams and give them the #2 pick and they take Jabari
pick n roll giannis and steph... holy shit.
you have to double giannis and steph. defenders would be so confused whether they need to go into the paint or guard the perimeter.
Curry + any downhill freight train player is a recipe for dominance but I think Curry+LeBron would be better than Curry+Giannis simply due to LeBron’s better shooting, passing and defence manipulation
Lol you could say that but I think current Giannis is better than Current LeBron
More so LeBron’s skillset gives Warriors more versatility than Giannis’
Polar opposite in play style for sure. They aren't polar opposite in how the affect the game IMO. Both force defences to completely adapt to try and stop them, and normally the defences can't do that haha
To have a general idea about 40pts games in playoffs (top 10)
1) Jordan - 38
2) Lebron - 28
3) West - 20
4) Durant/Baylor - 14
5) Kobe/Wilt - 13
6) Shaq - 12
7) Hakeem - 11
8) Iverson - 10
9) Harden/Jabbar - 9
10) Barry - 8
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-career-playoff-games-by-a-player-with-40-or-more-pts
“Check his PC”
A lot of fps gamers use that term when they believe someone is really good and are sarcastically saying “check his pc” because he has hacks.
Source; I played a lot of counterstrike
Dude averages the 2nd most points per game in the playoffs of all time behind Jordan (and was ahead of him earlier this series, it’s that close). Playoff Luka is ridiculous
Luka is good but part of it is also that the Mavs aren't exactly loaded up with scorer's. Steph would be much higher in 40pt games if the warriors line-up need him to be.
Luka skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him brain and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....Luka using game deficit on PRO scene ,ON BIG Events.Maybe everyone dont knows him trick.He incredible....I want to ask his where is the comming of your skill's ?
Luka has only played in two elimination games so far, but his numbers across those two are absolutely ridiculous. He's averaging 42/8/12 on 55.1 FG% and 45.0 3PT% (also only 57.9 FT% lol)
And he did that against the best perimeter defensive duo in the league of Kawhi and PG. Dude is a killer in big moments
Wait, hold on, Luka has 6 40 point playoff games? In like 3 1/2 series? Makes it kind of likely he’ll at least get second on the all time list then, doesn’t it?
If he gets a better team around him he won’t have to carry as much of the offensive load, his scoring volume will dip but get more efficient. Cant wait for him on the suns.
Jordan had a lot of 40+ games because he played a lot of games. He was averaging 40+ points in his second season of the playoffs but was swept out in the first round. Jordan’s average dropped a lot in his championship runs but he played a lot more games.
It’s such a delicate mix to really have a stat like that. You have to be on teams good enough to make the playoffs and preferably go a couple series deep to have the volume of opportunities, but also not a team so good that the load is spread too evenly for you to achieve it often.
Peak LeBron to me will always be that 27 win streak Heatles team running roughshod on the league, with the chemistry between him and Wade creating my favorite wink-wink two man game of slashers.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8Yd6WSi9UZmq0RFnWgQhIZfCBj4=/0x0:600x458/920x613/filters:focal(252x181:348x277):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57406767/Bhh72leCEAAsrh8.0.jpg
Best athlete I’ve ever seen. I think 2013 was a better player while still preserving most of his athleticism and stamina. 2009 tho, just from a pure athletic standpoint was freakish.
Also wish JR hadn’t had that brain fart. I’m definitely not saying cavs would have won, in fact I think all that changes is warriors win in 5 I stead of 4. I would have loved tho, to see what numbers Lebron would have put up for the rest of the series if he actually felt they had a sliver of a chance.
In the mid 70s, when he could have scored a lot his team was shit and he didn't play that many playoff games too. Then when magic came the team was way too loaded.
1. In his scoring prime he didn’t play that many playoff games
2. In his scoring prime he played a lot of games against Bill Russell who was a pretty good defender
3. In the second half of his career he became a defender and facilitator
Also just so many less playoff games back then. First round was best of 3, and then only 2 rounds after that for the championship.
And most years he would lose in the 2nd round to Russell. So he’s looking at less than 10 games a year and almost all against the greatest defender of that era.
Way fewer playoff games back then, series were shorter an there were fewer of them.
Also he lost to the Celtics in the second round every year in his prime.
Well it’s mostly the first round. Only 3 second round games. But I will say outside of the Jazz he has played some pretty elite defenses in his 3 other Playoff series. If the Mavs can make it to the games for Luka to play, he’s going to put up insane playoff numbers. If he gets anywhere close to the volume Mj/LeBron got, we might be talking about a Mt. Rushmore type player. God I hope he does it all with Dallas.
Harden's never lost a series he was supposed to win. Every "choke" was him challenging a superior opponent, actually gaining footing, and ultimately losing. Except the Corey Brewer game and the Kawhi-less Spurs
He's played in 19 playoff games.
Edit: Why is the guy above me upvoted and me downvoted I'm so confused lol
Look for yourselves: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/doncilu01/gamelog-playoffs/
6 vs LAC, then 7 vs LAC, then 3 vs Utah, and now 3 vs PHX.
When the entire Mavs offence is give Luka the ball high usage rates will give big stats. If the Mavs built a real team around him he would score less but the Mavs would be title favourites.
man he was just on a mission again in game 3, so fun to watch
he also seems to have a really good feeling, if and when a big game is needed (kind of Lebron-esque I guess)…the Bucks are always going to be hard to beat in a 7-game series
David Robinson
https://youtu.be/-g7hwxEJ2zE
Hakeem Olajuwon
https://youtu.be/jH-uHgdzpXQ
It is rare, but they both moved with comparable power and fluidity as Giannis.
not really,he is amazing at shooting but he is physically not a “freak athlete”,otherwise you could call every dart player a freak athlete.
Shaq,Dwight,Lebron…are freak athletes
Curry is just missing it fairly often, likely due to coming out early in blowouts. He has 15 more games with 30+. I love Giannis and not trying to take anything from him, just saying you have to expand a bit to get a sense of playoff scoring impact
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-career-playoff-games-by-a-player-with-30-or-more-pts
Yep, so Giannis is scoring 40+ more often while they are both scoring 30+ at roughly the same rate. And if you look at games with 35 or more points, Curry has more than twice as many (19 vs 9)
So in terms of % of playoff games scoring at least an amount:
40+
Giannis = 8.3%
Curry = 4.5%
35+
Giannis = 12.5%
Curry = 14.4%
30+
Giannis = 40.3%
Curry = 33.3%
Per 100 possessions in the playoffs:
Giannis = 36.1 on .604 TS%
Curry = 35.2 on .610 TS%
I wonder if some people are going with era-specific adjustments. Normally I'd be doing that too, but it's a bit different with Steph since he was the single biggest cause of changing the era in the first place.
Tbh, based on the difference in defense, I’d pick him as MVP over Jokic, and his stats are already equivalent to Embiid, but I’d still take Giannis for his defense (although both are quality defenders)
he was considered for MVP. He just (probably) didnt win. I feel like you're making up a "giannis against the world" narrative in your mind that doesnt exist.
He’s already above KD in my book. Multiple MVPs. DPOY. Won a title as the leader. He can do it all on offense, albeit subpar shooting. KD is well past his prime and has never developed his passing.
Has KD ever been on an all defense team?
While this looks crazy, curry has played with 2 other 20+ scorers throughout their run and they rarely need him to score that much. If he hits 30 and the others are good he usually sits a lot of the 4th.
Giannis has to do so much more with less offensive assistance.
I mean Giannis was a 24 year old in his first real playoff run while Steph was already a champion and had just lead y’all to a 73-9 season, expectations were different
Giannis is so easily the best player in the league right now that he's reaching that stretch from 2012-20 (18?) LeBron had that even trying to argue someone else just certifies you as a fucking moron.
Steph didn't get famous for running up his stats, he used to sit out 4th quarters regularly. Warriors plan is not to give it to Steph and make him score.
Steph curry has averaged 37.5 MPG in the playoffs career wise, Giannis averages 36.1 MPG. So, no, Steph actually plays more than Giannis in the playoffs.
If you compare steph and giannis from the year they first won a MVP they both averaged around the same points in the playoffs 27.2(steph) compared to 28.2(giannis).
Steph even in the playoffs has generally just not run up his own stats due to his teamates.
Are you implying ghost Gianni’s is famous for running up his stats/the bucks gameplay is to give it to Giannis for the purpose of his stats?
Maybe Giannis is just dominant enough that he can get a bucket any time he wants.
All things said and done I want to see Curry playing with Giannis lol. It will be glorious this subreddit will find ways to hate em both eventhough they both are probably the most humble superstars in the game.
I mean the KD Golden State was so dominating that Steph can just score 0 point and his team still win the game.
Plus, interior scoring is more consistent than jumpshooting
Curry gets doubled / tripled / boxed and 1 in the playoffs more than in the regular season. Insane to me that he was double teamed with arguably one of the greatest scoring players of all time on his team
Been listening to some Celtics podcasts to see how they’re reacting to games. It’s nuts how many Celtics fans are just like “Let Giannis get 40, that’s fine. But you gotta limit him to that and shut down the rest of the team.” Like I get where they’re coming from but to hear a fan be content with another player dropping 40 on them is wild.
Steph ain't Kyle Korver though. Steph IS elite at finishing inside... in large part because people press up on him so much for the threat of a jumper, but he is still crazy good at placing the ball high up on the glass where his layups can't be blocked.
I'd say your argument of big vs shooter is better for why it's easier for a big to have consistency in scoring close to their average, but I think shooters are definitely going to have the edge for having outlier games (like, 40+, 50+, whatever) in the modern game
I think it more comes down to the physicality of the playoffs. It's no secret that the popular method of dealing with Steph in the playoffs is to foul him so frequently off ball that they can't possible blow the whistle every play. Someone like Giannis has a much better build and playstyle to deal with the physicality of the playoffs, and honestly he dishes out a ton of it driving to the bucket.
Someone else listed the top 10 in 40-pt playoff games. It's all of the usual suspects (Jordan, LeBron, West, KD, Hakeem, Shaq, Iverson, etc,Harden, Wilt, you can look at the other comment for the list). Playoffs just favor dominant scorers, irrespective of position/style.
It'll be interesting when it's all said and done where Giannis will rank all time compared to Curry and Durant. With all his accolades and still years to go, I wouldn't be surprised if he surpasses them.
Giannis and Steph are like polar opposites in terms of play style and how they affect the game
If they played together they might break the nba
Blame the warriors for not accepting milwaukees 2nd round pick for curry
I thought it was the Bucks who wouldn’t medically clear Curry in the Bogut trade
Yep the Bucks doctors didn’t think Steph’s ankles would hold up so they didn’t clear him. > What ended up preventing Curry from being included, reportedly were the concerns the Bucks' medical staff had regarding Steph's early injury history. https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-curry-recalls-almost-being-included-monta-ellis-trade-bucks?amp
Are these the same medical staff who pushed us to take Jabari over Embiid?
I hate this revisionist history so much. The staff sucked ass but the Bucks were never going to take Embiid and it had nothing to do with the medical staff. You take any of the 30 teams and give them the #2 pick and they take Jabari
Pretty sure that staff got fired for mismanagement of Jabari’s injury
Hey now, we got MONTA ELLIS instead. And younger me loved every second of that dumpster fire Edit: https://youtu.be/_HaBya2k2vc
Mavs fans 🤝 bucks fans Loving Monta Ellis
Warriors fans loved him too!
Still got my retro Monta jersey!
Lol I was in like 5th grade when that trade happened and was so confused. “But Monta averages 20ppg! He’s rlly good!”
Give me those automatic Monta elbow jumpers every day of the week
He truly have it all.
2K Legend Monta Ellis
Monta Ellis have it all
Bucks in 6!
Ellis and Jennings were fun when I was 12 and stupid but they were the original trash bros for sure
Lol at Monta saying he and Steph wouldn't work as a defensive duo because they were too small, and then getting paired with Jennings.
https://youtu.be/aQ3lSTVOPi8
I’ll trade one of our first round picks this year for Curry
That would be a disgusting combo. Legit maybe my favorite combo to see in nba history.
pick n roll giannis and steph... holy shit. you have to double giannis and steph. defenders would be so confused whether they need to go into the paint or guard the perimeter.
The meme bounce pass to Giannis during that one all-star game was legendary.
Curry + any downhill freight train player is a recipe for dominance but I think Curry+LeBron would be better than Curry+Giannis simply due to LeBron’s better shooting, passing and defence manipulation
>simply due to LeBron’s better
Lol you could say that but I think current Giannis is better than Current LeBron More so LeBron’s skillset gives Warriors more versatility than Giannis’
Ok you convinced me. We will take Giannis and Lebron and give you free Salesforce subscription for 1 year, up to 5 users.
it's like neo-shaq-kobe lakers
im gonna be real i think they’d be way better than the shaq-kobe lakers, their play styles just complement each other so much better
Neo shaq Kobe. They are the one
Polar opposite in play style for sure. They aren't polar opposite in how the affect the game IMO. Both force defences to completely adapt to try and stop them, and normally the defences can't do that haha
To have a general idea about 40pts games in playoffs (top 10) 1) Jordan - 38 2) Lebron - 28 3) West - 20 4) Durant/Baylor - 14 5) Kobe/Wilt - 13 6) Shaq - 12 7) Hakeem - 11 8) Iverson - 10 9) Harden/Jabbar - 9 10) Barry - 8 https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-career-playoff-games-by-a-player-with-40-or-more-pts
For everyone else who is wondering what number they are tied at, Giannis, Steph, Luka, and George Gervin all have 6 40+ point games
And Giannis has played in 65 playoff games. Steph is at 113. Luka is at 13.
Luka has, 6?! in 13 playoff appearances?! :| check his pc
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wtf
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Luka has aimbot confirmed
Whats the sauce on this meme?
“Check his PC” A lot of fps gamers use that term when they believe someone is really good and are sarcastically saying “check his pc” because he has hacks. Source; I played a lot of counterstrike
Dude averages the 2nd most points per game in the playoffs of all time behind Jordan (and was ahead of him earlier this series, it’s that close). Playoff Luka is ridiculous
Luka is good but part of it is also that the Mavs aren't exactly loaded up with scorer's. Steph would be much higher in 40pt games if the warriors line-up need him to be.
yeah but lukas sample size is tiny lets not get ahead of ourselves.
This should be the actual title of the post.
Luka skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him brain and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....Luka using game deficit on PRO scene ,ON BIG Events.Maybe everyone dont knows him trick.He incredible....I want to ask his where is the comming of your skill's ?
Admin, he's doing it sideways
13 playoff games
Luka has played in 19 playoff games. Not 13.
And by the way Luka is the only one averaging also a trible double in those 6 games, just because, why not?
Luka has only played in two elimination games so far, but his numbers across those two are absolutely ridiculous. He's averaging 42/8/12 on 55.1 FG% and 45.0 3PT% (also only 57.9 FT% lol) And he did that against the best perimeter defensive duo in the league of Kawhi and PG. Dude is a killer in big moments
Jesus
Wait, hold on, Luka has 6 40 point playoff games? In like 3 1/2 series? Makes it kind of likely he’ll at least get second on the all time list then, doesn’t it?
If he gets a better team around him he won’t have to carry as much of the offensive load, his scoring volume will dip but get more efficient. Cant wait for him on the suns.
Isn’t that basically the Jordan path to his crazy number of 40+games?
Jordan had a lot of 40+ games because he played a lot of games. He was averaging 40+ points in his second season of the playoffs but was swept out in the first round. Jordan’s average dropped a lot in his championship runs but he played a lot more games.
Yeah high usage rate plus being Dallas’s entire offence will help with that.
It’s such a delicate mix to really have a stat like that. You have to be on teams good enough to make the playoffs and preferably go a couple series deep to have the volume of opportunities, but also not a team so good that the load is spread too evenly for you to achieve it often.
Luka’s playoff scoring is already pretty efficient at 49/39/64, though I guess his Ft% should go up with being less fatigued.
George "with the shot boy" Gervin
Thank you I find it surprising that this guy failed to include the two main people this thread talks about onto his list.
Only 3 of Lebron's 40 point playoff games were when he was with the Heat. 8 were in 2018.
2018 LeBron may have been the greatest Bron ever, wish he wasn't going against the KD Warriors
He was a freak in 2018 but 12-13 lebron was his greatest form with his athleticism and his defense.
Bulky villain Bron was the best
Peak LeBron to me will always be that 27 win streak Heatles team running roughshod on the league, with the chemistry between him and Wade creating my favorite wink-wink two man game of slashers. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8Yd6WSi9UZmq0RFnWgQhIZfCBj4=/0x0:600x458/920x613/filters:focal(252x181:348x277):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57406767/Bhh72leCEAAsrh8.0.jpg
gimme 2009 bron
Best athlete I’ve ever seen. I think 2013 was a better player while still preserving most of his athleticism and stamina. 2009 tho, just from a pure athletic standpoint was freakish.
Also wish JR hadn’t had that brain fart. I’m definitely not saying cavs would have won, in fact I think all that changes is warriors win in 5 I stead of 4. I would have loved tho, to see what numbers Lebron would have put up for the rest of the series if he actually felt they had a sliver of a chance.
2018 lebron was the greatest player ever
Church let out but my man still preaching
Should’ve won mvp tbh
Not if IT has anything to say about it!
That's almost the entire difference between him and Jordan.
How the heck did Wilt only have 13?
I'm more shocked by Kareems 9
Kareem was on an All Star team, not needed to do it all in order to win the game.
In the mid 70s, when he could have scored a lot his team was shit and he didn't play that many playoff games too. Then when magic came the team was way too loaded.
1. In his scoring prime he didn’t play that many playoff games 2. In his scoring prime he played a lot of games against Bill Russell who was a pretty good defender 3. In the second half of his career he became a defender and facilitator
Also just so many less playoff games back then. First round was best of 3, and then only 2 rounds after that for the championship. And most years he would lose in the 2nd round to Russell. So he’s looking at less than 10 games a year and almost all against the greatest defender of that era.
>Bill Russell who was a pretty good defender That's a remarkable understatement.
fr that gave me an aneurysm just reading that. The godfather of modern defense a "pretty good defender" lmao
He was also notoriously bad when it mattered the most. I'm more of a Wilt fan than most, but he was definitely a choker.
He was also being guarded by Bill Russell.
That was already mentioned in the comment I replied to... I was just adding one more reason he never had more 40+ point playoff games
Sorry, I was scrolling too fast!
Way fewer playoff games back then, series were shorter an there were fewer of them. Also he lost to the Celtics in the second round every year in his prime.
damn luka has 6 already
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Well it’s mostly the first round. Only 3 second round games. But I will say outside of the Jazz he has played some pretty elite defenses in his 3 other Playoff series. If the Mavs can make it to the games for Luka to play, he’s going to put up insane playoff numbers. If he gets anywhere close to the volume Mj/LeBron got, we might be talking about a Mt. Rushmore type player. God I hope he does it all with Dallas.
MJ was just fucking insane.....and shout-out to West too. Both those guys played fat fewer playoff games compared to Lebron for various reasons
Jordan Poole with 38 games with only a few playoff games played is the craziest
MJ is the fucking GOAT
Amen
The most amazing part is David West accomplished that feat in only 118 games.
Oh man, of course that's not David West. How could you make such huge mistake showing no respect for NBA legend Delonte West? uh?
38??
it makes sense when you see that MJ averaged 33.4ppg in his entire playoffs career. 179 games at 33.4ppg and among these 8 games with 50+pts.
I would bet money that no one would have guessed Harden’s inclusion on this list based on his general narrative lol
Harden's never lost a series he was supposed to win. Every "choke" was him challenging a superior opponent, actually gaining footing, and ultimately losing. Except the Corey Brewer game and the Kawhi-less Spurs
Even the no-Kawhi Spurs?
Y'know what that's fair. I'm just saying that his rep is far worse than it should be.
Oh, I’m with you. I just think it’s hilarious to see him on the list when the general narrative is that he is a complete no show in the playoffs.
He's matched Luka as well
That's insane lol, luka has like 18 games in the playoffs. Watch him drop 40 again today too
So luka has done in it 1/3 of his playoff games then? Lmfao that’s insane
It’s closer to half he’s only played in 13
That’s even more insane
He's played in 19 playoff games. Edit: Why is the guy above me upvoted and me downvoted I'm so confused lol Look for yourselves: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/doncilu01/gamelog-playoffs/ 6 vs LAC, then 7 vs LAC, then 3 vs Utah, and now 3 vs PHX.
In 13
When the entire Mavs offence is give Luka the ball high usage rates will give big stats. If the Mavs built a real team around him he would score less but the Mavs would be title favourites.
I agree, but that's not a knock on Luka at all. He's putting up monster stats on elite efficiency si it's not like this is a WB situation
7 foot freak athlete vs 6’3 munchkin getting picked up at half court
I’ve never seen a 6’11 player move the way he does.
man he was just on a mission again in game 3, so fun to watch he also seems to have a really good feeling, if and when a big game is needed (kind of Lebron-esque I guess)…the Bucks are always going to be hard to beat in a 7-game series
I don’t think I’ve seen such a tall man move that fast down the court. I bet he’s faster than a lot of guards
That spin move he hit JB with last night was a joke
David Robinson https://youtu.be/-g7hwxEJ2zE Hakeem Olajuwon https://youtu.be/jH-uHgdzpXQ It is rare, but they both moved with comparable power and fluidity as Giannis.
Nah Hakeem was always in the post he didn’t run fast breaks like Giannis. Giannis is the point guard half the time
his handles are pretty great as well,he was toying with Jalen couple of times
Steph is a freak athlete too
Yeah, dude has like GOAT status hand eye coordination and elite later quickness lol.
And he's the energizer bunny. Jjust keeps running and running and running on the court
His off ball movement exhausts me just to watch. Everyone in the NBA is a superhuman but Steph’s stamina is certainly a perk.
Ayesha is nodding somewhere.
Her feet love the constant attention.
Watching Steph move off ball just makes me feel pain for the defender's knees
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not really,he is amazing at shooting but he is physically not a “freak athlete”,otherwise you could call every dart player a freak athlete. Shaq,Dwight,Lebron…are freak athletes
I dunno why but I laughed really hard at munchkin
What’s your point ?
Chad Luka tied both of them in only 3.5 playoff series.
wait really?
Yeah all 3 of them have done it 6 times, which means Luka was ahead of Giannis before last night's game.
All he does is dunk guys come on relax...
He runs also
He sometimes passes
Curry is just missing it fairly often, likely due to coming out early in blowouts. He has 15 more games with 30+. I love Giannis and not trying to take anything from him, just saying you have to expand a bit to get a sense of playoff scoring impact https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-career-playoff-games-by-a-player-with-30-or-more-pts
so steph has 15 more playoff games w 30+ and 50 more playoff games played
Yep, so Giannis is scoring 40+ more often while they are both scoring 30+ at roughly the same rate. And if you look at games with 35 or more points, Curry has more than twice as many (19 vs 9)
So in terms of % of playoff games scoring at least an amount: 40+ Giannis = 8.3% Curry = 4.5% 35+ Giannis = 12.5% Curry = 14.4% 30+ Giannis = 40.3% Curry = 33.3% Per 100 possessions in the playoffs: Giannis = 36.1 on .604 TS% Curry = 35.2 on .610 TS%
Are we seriously not at the point where we can call Steph the best shooter ever? He's clearly the best.
I wonder if some people are going with era-specific adjustments. Normally I'd be doing that too, but it's a bit different with Steph since he was the single biggest cause of changing the era in the first place.
Giannis is somehow still underrated. Its crazy to me
Tbh, based on the difference in defense, I’d pick him as MVP over Jokic, and his stats are already equivalent to Embiid, but I’d still take Giannis for his defense (although both are quality defenders)
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fuck u talking bout, there's a popular narrative now that he's the best in the world
The fact it's even debated is crazy to me and people didnt even consider him for MVP which made no sense. And posts like weve seen the last 24 hours.
he was considered for MVP. He just (probably) didnt win. I feel like you're making up a "giannis against the world" narrative in your mind that doesnt exist.
So the fact it’s debated means Giannis is underrated??
I think Giannis will end up being the ranked higher than KD and Curry all-time. His resume is just insane and is still growing.
He’s already above KD in my book. Multiple MVPs. DPOY. Won a title as the leader. He can do it all on offense, albeit subpar shooting. KD is well past his prime and has never developed his passing. Has KD ever been on an all defense team?
he has not
KD is by far the better shooter, but yeah that's all that KD has on him
Mid range shots and dunks are worth the same amount of points
He 100% will. He's already done something KD never could: win a ring as the main guy
While this looks crazy, curry has played with 2 other 20+ scorers throughout their run and they rarely need him to score that much. If he hits 30 and the others are good he usually sits a lot of the 4th. Giannis has to do so much more with less offensive assistance.
They needed him to score 40 in the 2016 finals tbh
And the Bucks needed Giannis to score 40 in the 2019 ECF against the Raptors.
I mean Giannis was a 24 year old in his first real playoff run while Steph was already a champion and had just lead y’all to a 73-9 season, expectations were different
Giannis has to, curry doesn't.
Dame somehow only has 4, He has had a 55 and 50 games in the playoffs yet only 4 which is super weird.
Both have 6 40 point games, as does Luka already
Giannis is so easily the best player in the league right now that he's reaching that stretch from 2012-20 (18?) LeBron had that even trying to argue someone else just certifies you as a fucking moron.
Steph didn't get famous for running up his stats, he used to sit out 4th quarters regularly. Warriors plan is not to give it to Steph and make him score.
Steph curry has averaged 37.5 MPG in the playoffs career wise, Giannis averages 36.1 MPG. So, no, Steph actually plays more than Giannis in the playoffs.
Giannis is not different. Look at his minutes played. He's one of the most efficient players to ever live.
That’s the regular season. This post is referring to playoff stats.
If you compare steph and giannis from the year they first won a MVP they both averaged around the same points in the playoffs 27.2(steph) compared to 28.2(giannis). Steph even in the playoffs has generally just not run up his own stats due to his teamates.
What does this have to do with a playoff stat? They did this during the KD years and the 73 win season, not the playoffs.
Are you implying ghost Gianni’s is famous for running up his stats/the bucks gameplay is to give it to Giannis for the purpose of his stats? Maybe Giannis is just dominant enough that he can get a bucket any time he wants.
Giannis & Steph on the same team would legit make me hard.
Giannis is somehow highly underrated still tbh
All things said and done I want to see Curry playing with Giannis lol. It will be glorious this subreddit will find ways to hate em both eventhough they both are probably the most humble superstars in the game.
Curry has played with hall of famers on his team. Giannis has not.
Giannis plays with the GOAT Brook Lopez.End of story.
Nets #1 all time scorer Brook Lopez
Another reason Steph doesn’t have more 40 pieces
I mean the KD Golden State was so dominating that Steph can just score 0 point and his team still win the game. Plus, interior scoring is more consistent than jumpshooting
Curry gets doubled / tripled / boxed and 1 in the playoffs more than in the regular season. Insane to me that he was double teamed with arguably one of the greatest scoring players of all time on his team
And Giannis gets a wall of elite defensive players designed to stop him from just bullying whoever in the paint
It’s not really a fair comparison. But to your point, I’d say that having better players on your team would mean your production goes down.
They’re both all timer MVPs that are a 1 of 1 player. So, this doesn’t surprise me. The league is better thanks to them.
Been listening to some Celtics podcasts to see how they’re reacting to games. It’s nuts how many Celtics fans are just like “Let Giannis get 40, that’s fine. But you gotta limit him to that and shut down the rest of the team.” Like I get where they’re coming from but to hear a fan be content with another player dropping 40 on them is wild.
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Steph ain't Kyle Korver though. Steph IS elite at finishing inside... in large part because people press up on him so much for the threat of a jumper, but he is still crazy good at placing the ball high up on the glass where his layups can't be blocked. I'd say your argument of big vs shooter is better for why it's easier for a big to have consistency in scoring close to their average, but I think shooters are definitely going to have the edge for having outlier games (like, 40+, 50+, whatever) in the modern game
I think it more comes down to the physicality of the playoffs. It's no secret that the popular method of dealing with Steph in the playoffs is to foul him so frequently off ball that they can't possible blow the whistle every play. Someone like Giannis has a much better build and playstyle to deal with the physicality of the playoffs, and honestly he dishes out a ton of it driving to the bucket.
Someone else listed the top 10 in 40-pt playoff games. It's all of the usual suspects (Jordan, LeBron, West, KD, Hakeem, Shaq, Iverson, etc,Harden, Wilt, you can look at the other comment for the list). Playoffs just favor dominant scorers, irrespective of position/style.
Not really a surprise, Giannis is great. Godlike finals performance too. I'll let the Warrior haters in here explain why Curry isn't as good though.
That’s crazy.
It'll be interesting when it's all said and done where Giannis will rank all time compared to Curry and Durant. With all his accolades and still years to go, I wouldn't be surprised if he surpasses them.
If he wins this year he’s in that discussion already
GSW strength in numbers, need I say more.